Bobby Witt Jr. and the Off-Peak MVP Season

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Bobby Witt Jr. is having a down year. He’s running his worst batting line in three seasons. He’s in danger of missing the 20-homer threshold for the first time in his career. A lower back injury in July will also limit him to a career low in games played. Put it together, and Witt is on pace to put up his the lowest WAR total since his 5.9-win 2023 campaign. Oh, and he also grabbed hold of the American League lead in WAR back in July and still hasn’t relinquished it. A down year by Bobby Witt Jr.’s standards is still good enough to make him a deserving MVP.

I don’t know if Witt is going to win his first MVP this year. Ours is the only flavor of WAR in which he leads the AL, and he leads by just a quarter of a win. He ranks third by Baseball Reference’s rWAR and is eighth by Baseball Prospectus’ WARP. Yordan Alvarez leads all of baseball in WARP because he’s hitting like, well, Yordan Alvarez and staying healthy like, well, someone other than Yordan Alvarez. Cam Schlittler leads the AL in Baseball Reference WAR, and he’s been so dominant that he deserves consideration for the Cy Young-MVP combo — if only he’d pitched just 23 fewer innings last year, he could’ve gone for the trifecta with Rookie of the Year. Kevin McGonigle has played like an MVP from the moment he arrived in Detroit, and Junior Caminero has surpassed 40 home runs for the second season in a row as a 23-year-old. All of these guys have a case, and they aren’t the only ones who merit inclusion in the discussion:

Top 20 in All Three Versions of WAR (American League)
Name fWAR Rk fWAR rWAR Rk rWAR WARP Rk WARP Avg Rk Avg WAR
Bobby Witt Jr. 1 6.6 3 6.5 8 5 4 6.0
Yordan Alvarez 2 6.4 4 6.4 1 7.3 2 6.7
Cam Schlittler 3 6.1 1 7 3 5.8 2 6.3
Dylan Cease 4 5.5 8 5.7 12 4.6 8 5.3
Miguel Vargas 5 5.2 10 5.3 2 5.9 6 5.5
Junior Caminero 6 5.2 7 5.7 5 5.3 6 5.4
Kevin McGonigle 7 5.1 2 6.7 4 5.3 4 5.7
Randy Arozarena 8 5.1 11 5.3 16 4 12 4.8
Dillon Dingler 9 4.6 25 4 23 3.3 19 4.0
Drew Rasmussen 10 4.6 21 4.2 13 4.4 15 4.4
Reid Detmers 11 4.6 35 3.7 11 4.7 19 4.3
Parker Messick 13 4.6 6 5.8 9 4.8 9 5.1
Pete Alonso 14 4.2 18 4.3 6 5.3 13 4.6
Ceddanne Rafaela 21 3.9 9 5.4 94 1.7 41 3.7
Gavin Williams 27 3.7 46 3.1 7 5.2 27 4.0
Wilyer Abreu 32 3.4 5 5.8 20 3.6 19 4.3
Mike Trout 40 3.2 28 3.9 10 4.8 26 4.0

I’m not really here to talk about the horse race, to debate the meaning of the word value, or to make a case for Witt. Those particular articles are not hard find and will soon be hard to avoid (especially since the dominance of Pete Crow-Armstrong, Jacob Misiorowski, Schlittler, McGonigle and JJ Wetherholt have made the AL MVP the only major award that’s really in question). If you want to read a particularly good example, you should check out the one Mario Delgado Genzor wrote for Baseball Prospectus on Friday. I want to focus on something slightly different — namely, how good Witt has already been in years when he missed out on an MVP and how unusual it would be for him to win it this year.

(A quick note before we get into it: We’re about to spend a lot of time talking about WAR. I know I mentioned rWAR and WARP earlier. They’re an important piece of the puzzle, especially due to the outsized effect rWAR in particular has on the MVP conversation, but from here on out, we’re sticking with good old FanGraphs WAR.)

This is Witt’s fifth major league season, and you could argue that it’s his fourth consecutive MVP-caliber campaign. Mind you, that argument would focus only on 2022, in which he put up 5.9 WAR, good for 10th in the majors. There’s no argument to be had about the 2024 and 2025 seasons. That said, along with Shohei Ohtani’s combined 9.2-WAR 2022 sesaon, they are the two most valuable seasons this decade for which a position player did not win an MVP. In 2024, Witt ran a 169 wRC+, stole 31 bases, and put up a Fielding Run Value of 11, fourth among all shortstops. That was good for 10.5 WAR, and it took the best season of Aaron Judge’s career – 58 home runs, a 19% walk rate, and a .322 batting average – to beat him. In 2025, Witt put up 8.0 WAR with a 130 wRC+, 38 steals, and 20 FRV, the best mark among all shortstops. Again, he was bested by a 10-win season from Judge and Cal Raleigh’s 60-homer campaign. Witt has never received a first place MVP vote.

Crow-Armstrong, who has the National League MVP all but locked down, gives us a great example of what it normally takes to win an MVP award. He may even finish with 10.5 WAR through his excellence in all three phases of the game, just like Witt did in 2024. Players like Judge, Ohtani, and Mike Trout, whose base level of talent is so high that a healthy campaign is almost sure to keep them a step above the rest of the league, don’t come around all that often. Even when they do come around, they still need to be playing at something close to their peak, and peaks don’t last that long. Until Ohtani, the only player to win more than three MVPs was Barry Bonds, whose regimen for raising and widening his peak has been well documented. Sometimes that’s because of voter fatigue, but often it’s because somebody else popped up with an amazing, undeniable season like PCA’s. Most of the time, the MVP is an already great player for whom everything goes perfectly. They stay healthy and they play not just their best, but over their heads. Think of Ronald Acuña Jr. winning the NL MVP in 2023 with 9.1 WAR, 4.1 more than his next-best total, or Mookie Betts winning the AL MVP in 2018 with 10.2 WAR, 2.8 more than his next-best total.

Generally speaking, since the voting started getting more rigorous in the last couple decades, those are the two categories of players who win MVPs. We see all-time greats who perform like only they are capable of performing, and we see excellent players who put it all together in a blaze of glory. Witt’s 2024 season probably falls into that second category. He wasn’t quite at his defensive or baserunning peak, but he put up his best season at the plate by nearly 40 points of wRC+ and DRC+, and he ended up with an all-timer of a season. His 10.5 WAR tied for the 36th-best position player campaign of all time. His company? Willie Mays and Babe Ruth twice apiece, Barry Bonds, and Rogers Hornsby. Unfortunately, he ran into one of those special players from the first category, in the form of Judge. If Witt had put up those 2024 numbers this year, he’d be en route to a unanimous MVP just like PCA.

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But I said “in theory” earlier, and I said it because Witt isn’t done yet. He’s still just 26, and if not for those weeks he missed with back tightness, or a wOBA that’s more than 30 points below his xwOBA, he’d now be wrapping up his third straight seven-plus-win season. He’s elite in every facet of the game and he doesn’t look like he’s in danger of slowing down any time soon. It wouldn’t be much of a shock to see him rediscover his nine- or 10-win form. In other words, there’s at least a chance Witt belongs to that first category of player and not the second.

Earlier I mentioned Acuña and Betts claiming MVPs by putting up the best years of their careers by a long shot. That’s pretty standard. Especially in recent years, it’s awfully rare for a player to take home an MVP award in something other than the best season of their career, unless they also won the MVP in the best year of their career. Leaving those multi-time MVPs out (and excluding 2020 for obvious reasons), here’s the whole list of players who won an MVP in a year that wasn’t their best by fWAR since 2011: Giancarlo Stanton and Paul Goldschmidt.

Goldschmidt put up 6.8 WAR in his 2022 NL MVP season and 7.2 in 2015. In that sense, Goldschmidt fit a third archetype: the established star who doesn’t put up their biggest WAR total, and instead wins MVP as something of a career achievement award. Stanton put up 6.5 WAR in 2017, not quite the 6.8-win campaign he put up in 2014, but he was facing a weaker field, he was more established as a star, and he had the cachet of a 59-homer season. We’re talking about gaps of less than half a win. We had some multi-time winners, but Acuña, Betts, Cody Bellinger, Christian Yelich, Jose Altuve, Kris Bryant, Josh Donaldson, Andrew McCutchen, and Buster Posey all won MVP in the best seasons of their career by fWAR.

Let’s say that Witt does win the MVP this year. For the sake of round numbers, let’s say he closes strong and finishes with 7.0 WAR. That would be just the third-best season of his career, and a full 3.5 WAR below his career-high. Baseball Reference lists MVP winners going back to 1911, and in that time, Witt would become just the ninth position player to win MVP in a season that trailed their best year by such a wide margin. The list of players to do it before him is full of three-time MVPs like Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, and Mike Schmidt. Not only that, but you’ll note that if Witt does make this list, the only higher number in either column will belong to Mantle:

Largest Gap Between Career-High and MVP WAR
Player MVP Year MVP WAR Best Year Best WAR Difference
Frankie Frisch 1931 4.1 1927 9.7 5.6
Mickey Mantle 1962 6.0 1956 11.5 5.5
Willie Stargell 1979 2.7 1971 8.2 5.4
Joe DiMaggio 1947 4.8 1941 9.7 4.9
Freddie Freeman 2020* 3.0 2023 7.7 4.7
Robin Yount 1989 5.3 1982 9.8 4.5
Andre Dawson 1987 3.5 1982 7.3 3.8
Mike Schmidt 1986 5.8 1974 9.4 3.6
Roger Peckinpaugh 1925 2.4 1919 5.9 3.5
* 2020 never counts.

The last person to do so was Robin Yount, who won the AL MVP with 9.8 WAR in 1982, and then again with 5.3 WAR in 1989, long before anybody knew that Total Zone considered him the 11th-worst defender in the majors. This hasn’t happened in nearly 30 years, and Witt is in a very different boat here. He’s not one of the two MVP favorites because his season looks great to the eye but doesn’t fool the advanced metrics. He’s not an aging star who can count on some lifetime-achievement votes. He’s a young gun who’s leading his league in WAR because he excels in every facet of the game.

I realize that this is far from the most meticulous analysis I’ve ever conducted, and that MVP voting is and should be about more than WAR. Still, I hope I’ve put this season in the context it deserves. By our measuring stick, Witt has been the best player in the American League this season. He’s done so despite missing time due to injury. He’s done so despite some bad batted ball luck. And he’s done so despite not even coming close to the highest gear we know he’s got available to him, because that gear is so high that it’s normally reserved for inner-circle Hall of Famers. However the voting goes, Witt’s been in MVP form for three or four years now.





Davy Andrews is a Brooklyn-based musician and a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @davyandrewsdavy.bsky.social.

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Michael NortonMember since 2016
23 days ago

Is the NL ROY really Weatherholt’s to lose? I thought so a couple weeks ago. I haven’t been following closely but it seems the betting line switched to Sal Stewart. Not as much defensive value, but big counting stats.

JameyMember since 2020
23 days ago
Reply to  Michael Norton

It’s a classic advanced stats versus raw stats debate.

If you look at fWAR for NL rookies, Wetherholt doubles Stewart’s WAR. Benge is closer, and with the uncertainty in defensive stats is a reasonable alternative.

I’d vote Wetherholt over Benge, but I could also make the argument that Wetherholt is having an astonishingly good defensive season, and that is less certain value.

Stewart has counting stats, but otherwise is an average player in value. If Stewart wins, it feels the revenge of the old school writers…

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago
Reply to  Jamey

I could also make the argument that Wetherholt is having an astonishingly good defensive season, and that is less certain value.

Especially since Wetherholt is only astonishing by OAA/FRV, which are drastically inferior measurements of defensive value for infielders than DRS. By DRS, Wetherholt has been very good defensively but definitely not elite.

For those who missed earlier discussions of why OAA/FRV are so bad at evaluating infielders, they disproportionately value distance covered whereas DRS looks at the data of the ball in play and how frequently similar contact had been turned into outs. That’s why OAA/FRV say that Luis Arraez is the twelfth best defender this season and Jazz Chisholm is fourteenth best when DRS knows that both are actually poor defenders. On the flip side, OAA/FRV think that Taylor Walls is a consistently poor defender when DRS knows that he’s actually one of the best due to his superior positioning.

warpath
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

I don’t disagree with the main point of your comment, that OAA often doesn’t pass the sniff test for infielders, but I’m not sure what you mean by DRS valuing Taylor Walls due to his “superior positioning.”

A few years ago, DRS actually moved to strip out giving credit to fielders for their positioning with the rise of the shift, and now gives that positioning defensive value to the team instead. For infielders, DRS is only based on range on air balls, range on grounders, and throwing, as described on the Fielding Bible website FAQ. They are admittedly a bit opaque in how they go about stripping out positioning value.

For OAA, it’s a bit murkier how they deal with initial positioning, but going off the description from the Statcast glossary, it doesn’t seem like they adjust for positioning, they just take the initial starting point on a play as a given.

Let’s use Arraez as an example. Arraez is making a lot more plays this year, but not so much because his talent has massively improved, rather his positioning has improved. OAA does not strip out this positioning value and credit it to the team, it just credits it all to Arraez. But DRS has credited a whopping +14 runs saves from Arraez’s positioning to the Giants/Phillies, while it has not given any of the credit to Arraez for his positioning.

This pretty much explains the discrepancy between the two metric for Arraez in my mind. For Chisholm and Walls, something a little different appears to be going on to drive their discrepancies. Jazz is about neutral on positioning from DRS, he doesn’t have a high value like Arraez, and Walls has a rather high positioning DRS in addition to his ART DRS looking very good compared to his OAA.

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago
Reply to  warpath

I’m not sure what you mean by DRS valuing Taylor Walls due to his “superior positioning.”

https://www.mlb.com/news/taylor-walls-has-perfected-positioning-anticipation-at-shortstop

DRS recognizes that Walls turns a lot of balls into outs that weren’t stopped on similar historical contact. OAA thinks that Walls is terrible because he has the highest estimated success rate of any shortstop by far, so the system believes that he’s getting a ton of easy chances rather than recognizing that he’s making a lot of conversions look easy by getting into positions that allow him to make outs on balls in play that other shortstops historically didn’t get to.

Let’s use Arraez as an example. Arraez is making a lot more plays this year, but not so much because his talent has massively improved, rather his positioning has improved.

When we talk about Walls’ positioning, we’re talking about his lateral setup when the pitch is thrown. He’s the best in the game at identifying where the ball is likely to be hit based on the pitcher and the batter. Arraez isn’t doing that, he’s just playing a lot deeper. So he’s getting credit for more distance traveled on the same balls in play than he did in previous seasons.

Jon L.Member since 2016
20 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Are you sure this isn’t religion?

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
23 days ago
Reply to  Jamey

Yes, if you don’t want to give it to Wetherholt, that makes sense, but all of the sudden deciding that RBIs are the be-all-end-all in the year 2026 is baffling.

compucles
21 days ago
Reply to  TKDC

Nobody is saying that. Stewart is having a very good all-around season offensively. RBIs just happen to be the major stat where he has a chance to lead the league.

hurricanexyzMember since 2016
23 days ago
Reply to  Jamey

Don’t forget McLean!

compucles
21 days ago
Reply to  Jamey

Stewart doesn’t just have counting stats; he has offensive stats in general including ISO, OPS, and wOBA compared to the other rookies.

Excellent defense just doesn’t matter as much compared to excellent offense (except at catcher), no matter what WAR claims.

Last edited 21 days ago by compucles
compucles
23 days ago

J.J. Wetherholt has not locked up the NL Rookie of the Year Award, especially with the time he missed. He’s not even the favorite compared to Sal Stewart, no matter what WAR claims.

compucles
23 days ago

Maybe MVP should be more about WAR (despite how WAR generally overrates defense compared to offense), but keep in mind that it’s not the Player of the Year Award and that at the very least whether or not the player helped his team make the playoffs has always been a factor for the voters.

doughboyMember since 2024
23 days ago
Reply to  compucles

I could be wrong, but I think fWAR definitely weights defense more heavily than bWAR.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
23 days ago
Reply to  doughboy

I’m not sure that fWAR weighs it more heavily, but it certainly calculates it differently. And FWIW, I prefer fWAR’s use of OAA vs bWAR’s use of DRS.

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago

You shouldn’t. OAA/FRV is incredibly bad at evaluating defensive value for infielders. Any system that say Luis Arraez and Jazz Chisholm have been great defenders this season while Taylor Walls has been bad should be thrown in the trash.

grandbranyanMember since 2017
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Taylor Walls is another good one,

Is a team as smart & run prevention focused as the Rays really going to play a guy with a 70 wRC+ at SS for 3,715 innings if he is a -14 fielder like FRV says?

I’d guess its more likely that +72 DRS is closer to his actual contributions in the field.

Going back to 2021 the Rays have a -0.19 gap between their 3.73 ERA and 3.92 FIP, do we think their defense has been closer to +178 DRS or -6 FRV over that time?

Same thing with the Dodgers, since 2021 they have an even larger -0.29 gap between their 3.56 ERA and 3.85 FIP, do we think their defense has been closer to +174 DRS or +20 FRV over that time?

The Brewers -0.31 gap twixt their 3.64 ERA and 3.95 FIP is the largest in MLB since 2021. Again, I’d guess their +262 DRS is closer to capturing their defensive acumen than their +105 FRV over that stretch.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
23 days ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

Is a team as smart & run prevention focused as the Rays really going to play a guy with a 70 wRC+ at SS for 3,715 innings if he is a -14 fielder like FRV says?

Who do you suppose they would play instead?

grandbranyanMember since 2017
23 days ago

fWAR uses a positionally adjusted version of FRV, not OAA.

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

FRV is based on OAA, it just adds a few more things to it.

grandbranyanMember since 2017
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Right, but FanGraphs does not use OAA.

They use positionally adjusted FRV.

That’s why the number in the fielding column on the player value pages doesn’t align with either of straight up OAA or FRV.

PCA for his career has +61 OAA, +64 FRV, and +49.7 fielding as one example.

That the original comment currently has six upvotes despite not being totally correct is a pretty good illustration of how even the generally informed FG commentariat doesn’t quite know how their sausage (or in this case WAR) is being made.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
23 days ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

Fair, I could have been more precise.

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

OAA is part of the FRV calculation, which is why there is so little difference between OAA and FRV. The only players with more than five points of difference between OAA and FRV this season are Bobby Witt Jr., Alec Burleson, Carson Benge, and Spencer Torkelson.

grandbranyanMember since 2017
23 days ago
Reply to  doughboy

Believe you are wrong.

DRS (used at BREF) values defense much more heavily than FRV (a positionally adjusted version thereof used at FanGraphs) does.

For 2025 the top to bottom range on team DRS was 148 runs from +89 (TEX) to -59 (COL).

The top to bottom range on team FRV for 2025 was only 97 runs from +43 (TOR) to -54 (LAA).

The most glaring example off the top of my head is probably Brice Turang. He gets credit for all of his +62 DRS at BRef en route to 18.7 bWAR. Here at FanGraphs his career +18 FRV gets whittled down to +14.4 in the Fielding column for 12.2 fWAR.

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

Actually, you’re wrong, as the range is irrelevant to weighting. Look at Luis Arraez, who posted nearly identical offensive numbers this season to what he did in 2024, but because FRV wrongly thinks that he has been dramatically better defensively (DRS correctly says that he’s below average like always), his fWAR is 4.2 in 2026 compared to just 1.2 in 2024.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

DRS thinks Correa was a much better defender at SS than Francisco Lindor…and that Zach Neto blows Bobby Witt out of the goddamn water – Neto’s the defender of his generation!

DRS actually claims that CJ Abrams is a better defender than Witt!

That’s all FAR more plausible than an infielder improving after working with Ron Washington.

Thank you.

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago

DRS thinks Correa was a much better defender at SS than Francisco Lindor

Because Correa has been more sure-handed as well as having a stronger (~80th percentile vs. ~30th percentile) and more accurate arm. Lindor’s range has been top of the scale, which is why OAA loves him, but the other parts of his game defensively have been consistently below average.

Zach Neto blows Bobby Witt out of the goddamn water – Neto’s the defender of his generation!

Neto has a +9 DRS compared to Witt’s +7. Witt’s career DRS is only terrible because of his rookie season when he recorded a -18.

DRS actually claims that CJ Abrams is a better defender than Witt!

Abrams has a -2 DRS at shortstop this season compared to Witt’s +7.

That’s all FAR more plausible than an infielder improving after working with Ron Washington.

Ron Washington made Arraez function better by positioning him more deeply, which allowed him to cover more ground and get to more balls. Those are the things that OAA cares about. Arraez is not a more technically proficient fielder than he was before. He still has stone hands and a wet noodle for an arm.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Yes.

Arraez now gets to more balls, and gets more people out.

In fact, he now gets more outs than the average 2B starting in that position would, because that new starting position maximizes what he does well and minimizes what he does poorly.

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago

There isn’t anything that Arraez does well defensively. He has below average hands, below average arm strength, below average lateral agility, and poor decision making. Positioning him more deeply mitigates some of the negatives from him being a poor fielder but he remains a poor fielder.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Hmmm, if I sort on arm strength at second on savant, Arraez comes in at 14th out of 66. He objectively doesn’t have a great arm, but it seems above average at second. Or alternatively, he’s throwing harder than average because he has to, but then maybe others should be doing that too.

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago

A lot of noodle armed guys end up at second because it’s the position that requires the least arm strength. Arraez is in the 25th percentile.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

That’s exactly what I said–he objectively doesn’t have a great arm, but he’s above average at second (or less noodly than the other noodle arms if you prefer). If he has an above average arm for a second baseman, that potentially gives him more leeway to get away with playing deeper. Or maybe it’s a wash and runners are beating out his throws enough to offset getting to more balls. He has more assists this year than years past, but that could just have to do with opportunities.

jdbolickMember since 2016
22 days ago

“Doesn’t have a great arm” is a gross understatement. Average arms aren’t great. Arraez has a well below average arm.

As for positioning, I do think that most second basemen should play deeper. Pretty much anything Ron Washington thinks a player should do in the field is going to be a great idea, and we can see it making a difference for someone who was previous regarded as one of the worst defenders in baseball.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
23 days ago

I can’t tell if it’s because he has had more opportunities this season, but Arraez does have more assists than he has ever had on a per-inning basis. Maybe all second basemen should play deeper.

didaceMember since 2024
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Saying one defensive metric is definitively better than all the others is a strange place to plant your flag. But let’s just go with DRS being the one stat to rule them all. Good to know that CJ Abrams isn’t as bad at defense as we were told he was.

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago
Reply to  didace

Saying one defensive metric is definitively better than all the others is a strange place to plant your flag. 

I’m saying that one is worse than all the others. OAA is trash and Luis Arraez proves it. He didn’t magically go from being one of the worst fielders throughout his career to now being the twelfth best fielder in baseball at age 29. Ron Washington positioned Arraez much more deeply with the Giants, which allowed him to cover more ground and reach more balls, fooling OAA into thinking that he had a dramatic transformation when in reality he’s the same fielder he’s always been.

Good to know that CJ Abrams isn’t as bad at defense as we were told he was.

DRS has Abrams at -8 over his career as a shortstop.

didaceMember since 2024
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

If Arraez is getting to more ground balls and turning them into outs because of positioning, doesn’t that by definition make him a better fielder this year?

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago
Reply to  didace

No. Arraez is getting extra credit this season from OAA because he’s traveling farther to the intercept point because he is playing so deep. He hasn’t improved his first step or his lateral agility. He hasn’t improved his hands, as he’s actually committed the most errors of any season in his career. He hasn’t improved his throwing technique or accuracy.

That’s the fundamental problem with OAA. It just looks at how far you moved during the play to receive the ball, and anyone standing farther away from the batter will end up moving farther to intercept the exact same ball than someone standing closer to the batter.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

It’s just like how wRAA only measures the value your PA provide to your team, rather than how hard you hit the ball in BP!

What a useless stat for assessing player value!

Last edited 23 days ago by Cool Lester Smooth
grandbranyanMember since 2017
23 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

How is the range irrelevant to the weighting?

The range from top to bottom in the fielding column for 2025 was 32.4 runs from +17.4 (Kirk) to -15.0 (Adell) at FanGraphs.

The range from top to bottom in the fielding column for 2025 was 45 runs from +22 (Clement) to -23 (Moniak) at BRef.

Fielding grades are accounting for a higher percentage of player value at BRef because DRS spits out a larger, more dynamic range of results than the narrower range of positionally adjusted FRV used at FanGraphs.

jdbolickMember since 2016
23 days ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

How is the range irrelevant to the weighting?

Because value is calculated by each individual’s share of the league total. It’s not cumulative, it’s proportionate. The range is completely irrelevant.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
23 days ago
Reply to  doughboy

They weight defensive adjustments more heavily, not defense as a whole.

The gap between C and DH is 2.6 WAR/162 rather than 3.

compucles
21 days ago
Reply to  doughboy

Compared to bWAR, maybe, but not when comparing Defensive fWAR to Offensive fWAR (and the same for comparing the two equivalent components of bWAR).

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grandbranyanMember since 2017
23 days ago
Reply to  compucles

Not sure WAR really overrates defense compared to offense.

For the 2025 season, among qualified hitters, the top to bottom range on offensive value was 103 runs from +78.5 (Judge) to -24.6 (Ke’Bryan).

For the 2025 season, among qualified hitters, the top to bottom range on defensive value was 46 runs from +24.9 (Kirk) to -19.8 (Yandy).

LMOTFOTEMember since 2017
23 days ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

fWAR seems to overate defense compared to what teams are willing to pay for offense

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
23 days ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

The fWAR 1B/DH penalties are way, way too strong, which is where I think a lot of that perception comes in. fWAR functionally lops a win off the top if you are a DH over anything but 1B. Still lops off half a win from first.

10 teams have sub-replacement production from their DHs, per fWAR. Most positions are 3-4 (which, honestly, still feels high).

compucles
21 days ago
Reply to  grandbranyan

…which is still giving too much credit to defense compared to offense.

Besides, 2025 Judge was an offensive outlier that didn’t have a defensive equivalent.

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compucles
21 days ago
Reply to  compucles

You guys are all focusing on my side note instead of the main point, that there are other factors besides WAR to consider for MVP, most notable the tendency fort the writers to vote for players on playoff teams.

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Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
19 days ago
Reply to  compucles

I’m generally team “RE24 plus Def/150 of the last three years” for MVP, using the THT positional adjustments.

PC1970Member since 2024
23 days ago

A lot of things at play in the AL MVP race-

DH penalty

Do you discount defensive stats some? (even though Witt IS clearly awesome)

Pitcher vs batter value (Schlittler)

Being on a winning team- No, it’s not fair or Witt’s fault that his teammates weren’t good enough, so he hasn’t played in any meaningful games this year, but, by the nature of the award, it’s going to favor a player on a playoff or near playoff team. Flip side is Houston is below .500 & are only “in it” due to the AL West being so bad.

If Witt was 1-2 WAR ahead (or more) it would be a no-brainer, but, with it being so close you can make the case that easing the DH penalty/discounting fWAR defense could/will flip it to Alvarez.

Not sure what to say about the winning team stuff- to some degree it makes sense, but, it’s not like Houston is actually that good. Most years they would already have been eliminated. That said, if Alvarez goes 15-28 with 5 HR & 14 RBI this week & Houston slides in, that shouldn’t be ignored, right?

Left of Centerfield
23 days ago
Reply to  PC1970

Looking at Schlitter, I assumed that no starting pitcher had won the MVP with fewer than 200 IP. But Kershaw did it in 2014.

That being said, Kershaw had several advantages over Schlitter:

1) a 21-3 record (I know, I know but I’m sure so voters valued that).
2) ERA and FIP both under 2.00.
3) 6 complete games and 15 starts of 8+innings (vs. 0 and 3 for Schlitter).
4) A huge lead in WAR. Baseball Reference had him with 8.2 WAR (7.7 pitching, 0.5 hitting). No one else was within even 1.5 WAR of that. Fangraphs gave him a smaller lead but I’m not sure Fangraphs was as prominent in 2014.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
23 days ago

Schlittler has the most important thing for a pitcher to win the MVP: the absence of a hitter with a compelling narrative. Yordan would with the triple crown but that seems doubtful, so you’re left with a DH on an under-.500 team.

That said, Schlittler has little else, which can be summarized as you’ve done very nicely. Pitchers who win it usually have gaudy numbers. His ERA is a bit gaudy, but that’s it. He’s also not that famous. He’s just now becoming a household name. I think Yordan easily wins the award in what is just a meh year for the AL.

Left of Centerfield
23 days ago
Reply to  TKDC

Yeah, it’s kind of a battle between 3 things MVP voters have tended to eschew:

1) DH
2) Pitcher
3) Losing team

Obviously one of them will win. But which one is hard to say.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
23 days ago

I think “losing team” has really become less of a factor, but I do think voters will perhaps even subconsciously not want to vote for a guy when he’s having a “down year” and didn’t win previously.

Jason BMember since 2017
22 days ago

1) Alvarez may be both DH and losing team.

AnonMember since 2020
23 days ago

We already kind of had this MVP race in 2022. Judge and Ohtani were amazing in 2022 but Judge was hurt this year and Ohtani is off to the NL. Yordan stayed mostly healthy in 2022 and even moreso this year. There were a smattering of other guys in 2022 that were in the same ballpark as Yordan in WAR but in the end, Alvarez finished a pretty clear 3rd ahead of Jose Ramirez in 4th and Altuve in 5th (232 pts to 186 to 142) even though he didn’t lead the AL in either fWAR (Altuve) or bWAR (Gimenez). You even have a pretty solid direct comp to Witt in Gimenez in his career best year – slick fielding middle infielder who had a very good year with the bat.

I just don’t see anyone other than Alvarez winning the MVP, especially if he pulls off the traditional Triple Crown (going to have to get a move on though to catch Alonso in RBI). He’s going to win the sabermetric Triple Crown for the AL (& possibly for the entire majors if he can out-Arraez Arraez down the stretch). Of the 12 guys to win the sabermetric Triple Crown since 1966, seven won the MVP in that year and 3 of them won it in another year not long before the Triple Crown year (Lynn in 1979, Walker in 1999 and Yelich in 2019). The only 2 guys to win the sabermetric Triple Crown and not ever win an MVP were Soto in COVID shortened 2020 and Helton in 2000 with Coors stigma hanging over him.

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
23 days ago

Fun article and cool to see McGonigle getting some mentions in MVP conversations.

McGonigle is my favorite player to watch right now – he has the intensity in the box of Juan Soto and is hitting in the most asthetically pleasing way – average, OBP, more walks than strikeouts. But it’s somewhat surprising to see his value this high. It’s a sub-.800 OPS with non-elite defense and baserunning. He even has under 30 doubles.

I guess this shows the value of having a well-rounded profile.

AnonMember since 2020
23 days ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

It shows the over-dramatic impact of positional adjustments. No manager is taking McGonigle or Witt over Yordan for this year. Definitely a different answer if you were building a team going forward or whatever, but for this year, every manager in baseball would take Yordan’s season over either one.

AlbyMember since 2017
22 days ago
Reply to  Anon

A DH over a good-fielding shortstop? I don’t think so. The Phillies, for example, would take Witt over Yordan. So try again.

compucles
21 days ago
Reply to  Alby

Despite the WAR penalty, it’s not like Alverez is actually hurting his team defensively at DH. So yes, in a vacuum I would take 2026 Alverez over 2026 Witt, although it would ultimately depend on what other options a given team already has at SS and DH. The Phillies would take Witt because they already have a great DH (Scwarber) but not a good SS.

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Ostensibly RidiculousMember since 2020
23 days ago

Nah, it will be and should be Yordan.

Look at actual results.
They are almost identical in fWAR. And their teams are almost identical in team fWAR.
But Houston is 1 game out of first in their division, while KCR is last in theirs.
Use RE24 based OFF or WPA and Yordan has a big advantage.

MoateMember since 2022
23 days ago

Both every team and no team is actually in the AL WC hunt and anyone saying “you helped a mediocre team compete in a trash division so you’re more worthy of accolades” should get with the times and understand one player can’t carry a franchise and nobody really gets to pick who drafts them.

compucles
21 days ago
Reply to  Moate

Well, I suppose Albert Pujols did lose the 2006 NL MVP to Ryan Howard under similar circumstances…

drewcorbMember since 2020
23 days ago

Until Ohtani, the only player to win more than three MVPs was Barry Bonds, whose regimen for raising and widening his peak has been well documented.

Hilarious turn of phrase here

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
19 days ago
Reply to  drewcorb

In fairness…Bonds should have had at least two more MVPs between 93 and 98.

Jim in MaineMember since 2021
23 days ago

The White Sox are in contention the final week of this 2026 season. Would they be there without Miguel Vargas’ wicked awesome season – both with his bat and his glove? Absolutely not … He’s gotta’ be a top 3 AL MVP!