Cooperstown Notebook: A Rough Year for Giancarlo Stanton and Other Hall of Fame Hopefuls

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Last year, though he missed the first two and a half months of this season due to bilateral epicondylitis, Giancarlo Stanton bashed 24 homers in 77 games while hitting for a 158 wRC+ and 1.8 bWAR. Despite its half-season nature, the campaign was his strongest since 2021, and it appeared as though he had enough momentum to reach 500 home runs and, quite likely, secure a spot in the Hall of Fame. Unfortunately, Stanton has once again been unable to stay on the field. After straining his right calf in late April and then reinjuring it while rehabbing in mid-June, he suffered a moderate-grade left calf strain last week, one that may very well prevent him from playing again this season.

Manager Aaron Boone said on Saturday that Stanton strained his left calf while running the bases earlier in the week. He didn’t offer a timetable for the slugger’s return, but conceded, “We’re at a point in the calendar where it gets challenging… You all know how bad he wants to be on that field and contributing to a championship… Hopefully we just continue working to get him right and healthy.”

The 36-year-old Stanton has played in just 24 games this season, batting .256/.302/.422 (103 wRC+) with just three homers in 96 plate appearances. Those three homers boosted his career total to 456, the most of any active player, but they’ve run critical time off of his clock, so to speak. By colleague Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS-driven estimate, Stanton had a 71% chance of reaching 500 homers coming into the season, but per Dan’s hot-off-the-presses estimate, those odds are down to 51%, and to these eyes that still feels high. Stanton’s MVP award, two home run titles, five All-Star appearances, postseason performance (.254/.322/.605 with 18 homers) and otherworldly Statcast numbers might be enough to overcome a slight shortage in JAWS, but with just 47.0 career WAR (the Baseball Reference version, which is true for all of the figures cited here unless otherwise indicated), 35.4 peak WAR, and 41.2 JAWS, he’s just 37th among right fielders, 14.8 points below the standard. I don’t think that’s going to cut it.

Stanton isn’t the only veteran whose chances of making the Hall of Fame have taken a hit this year. In fact, it’s been a particularly rough season for Hall hopefuls, even for several players who may still be on their way. Aaron Judge’s fractured rib, Carlos Correa’s torn tendon in his ankle, the fractured hamates of Francisco Lindor and José Ramírez, Trea Turner’s mystifying struggles on both sides of the ball, age catching up to Jose Altuve and Manny Machado — all of these have been downers to watch, or in the case of players missing significant time, not watch.

For this year’s version of my annual roundup checking in players’ progress towards Cooperstown, I’ve split the players into two groups: those whose chances have been substantially hurt by their poor performance or missed time this season, and those who’ve seen their odds improve, or at least not be dramatically harmed. As there are a lot more players in the first group, and as I’ve gone over their credentials in greater detail in the past, I’m not going to dwell on their cases at length; we can get back to that somewhere else down the road. I’m also not going to get too far into discussing young players. Yes, Bobby Witt Jr. may finally get his MVP award while banking his third straight 7-WAR season (he’s at 6.2), and his 28.1 WAR through his age-26 season puts him in the company of some Hall of Fame shortstops like Alan Trammell (28.4) and Derek Jeter (28.0), but cautionary tales such as Jim Fregosi (32.6), Nomar Garciaparra (27.9), and Troy Tulowitzki (26.6) are in that ballpark as well. We can wade into those waters another day.

What follows here is a partial position-by-position roundup. If you’re wondering why, say, Freddie Freeman or Chris Sale isn’t here, it’s because they’ve landed on the equivalent of the “Nice” list — to be rounded up in my next installment — rather than this “Naughty” one. I’ve included each player’s JAWS standing, his 2026 WAR (again, bWAR unless otherwise indicated), and his ZiPS rest-of-season projection:

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Hall of Fame Progress 2026 — Starting Pitchers
Player Age Career WAR Adj. Peak WAR S-JAWS Rk 2026 WAR 2026 Proj
Justin Verlander 43 81.8 50.1 65.9 18 -0.2 0.2
Max Scherzer 42 74.8 47.6 61.2 27 -0.9 0.1
AVG HOF SP 73.0 40.7 56.8
Source: Baseball-Reference
2026 Proj = ZiPS rest-of-season projected WAR.

Justin Verlander

After a rocky start to his 2025 season with the Giants, Verlander made a strong second-half rebound that suggested he was hardly done. He returned to where his journey to Cooperstown began by re-signing with the Tigers just as camp opened this February, but he hasn’t gotten the hoped-for storybook ending. In his lone start, he departed in the fourth inning due to left hip inflammation, and a subsequent left hamstring strain in late June further slowed his return. Just before the All-Star break, he announced that this would be his final season, and was added to the American League All-Star Game roster by commissioner Rob Manfred as a Legend Pick. He still hasn’t returned to action, and at this point, the likelihood is that at best he makes a late-September farewell cameo. Nonetheless, his 266 wins, 3,554 strikeouts (eighth all-time), three Cy Youngs, and S-JAWS ranking guarantee him first-ballot entry on the 2032 ballot.

Max Scherzer

The 42-yer-old Scherzer has yet to announce whether this is his final go-round, but he’s had a rough, injury-wracked season himself, going 1-6 with a 7.40 ERA in 45 innings. He did climb into the top 10 in strikeouts and has 3,521 now to go with 222 wins, three Cy Youngs, and an above-standard S-JAWS. He’ll be a first-ballot entry as well, whether that’s in 2032 or ’33.

Hall of Fame Progress 2026 — Relief Pitchers
Player Age Career WAR WPA WPA/LI R-JAWS Rk 2026 WAR 2026 Proj
Craig Kimbrel 38 22.9 22.5 14.4 20.0 18 0.2 0.0
AVG HOF RP 37.8 29.9 19.7 29.2
Source: Baseball-Reference
2026 Proj = ZiPS rest-of-season projected WAR.

Craig Kimbrel

Through the end of the 2023 season — the right-hander’s ninth earning All-Star honors — Kimbrel trailed Kenley Jansen 420 to 417 in saves, and the two were in a virtual tie for 14th in R-JAWS at 20.9, 0.1 below Hall of Famer Lee Smith. Kimbrel has since pitched for six different teams — including the Mets, Rays, and Royals this year — while netting -0.5 WAR and notching 24 saves, 23 of them with the Orioles before they cut him in late September of 2024 as he dealt with mechanical woes. He’s slipped to 18th in R-JAWS (20.0) while Jansen is seventh (24.4) with 51 more saves (492 to 441).

All of this might feel depressing, but the 38-year-old Kimbrel has actually embraced this phase of his career. As he said when he signed with the Royals earlier this month, “It’s been fun, actually… Getting to know the game in a little different light. Getting to talk to guys who are on their way up. Spent a lot of time in Triple-A last year. Getting to see the game through that lens. Getting to talk to guys and meet guys at that level.” He added that he felt he could “show the guys what’s worked for me and have those conversations.”

If only we all could age so gracefully. As for Jansen and starting pitchers Sale, Gerrit Cole, Zack Wheeler, and the unicorn that is Shohei Ohtani, I’ll catch up with them in the next installment.

Hall of Fame Progress 2026 — Catchers
Player Age Career WAR Peak WAR JAWS Rk 2026 WAR 2026 Proj
Salvador Perez 36 17.9 16.0 16.9 -1.1 0.0
AVG HOF C (fWAR w/ framing*) 65.3 45.1 55.2
Salvador Perez 36 35.4 24.4 29.9 -0.4 0.0
AVG HOF C (bWAR no framing) 53.7 34.9 44.3
Source: Baseball-Reference
* FanGraphs’ framing-inclusive WAR values. 2026 Proj = ZiPS rest-of-season projected WAR.

Salvador Perez

Perez is an icon in Kansas City, with nine All-Star appearances, five Gold Gloves, 320 homers, and a World Series MVP award, but he’s nearing the end of the line. Over the past four seasons, he’s been worth 0.5 WAR or less three times, including this year, when his .222/.267/.376 (73 wRC+) performance has been more than a win below replacement level. By either traditional or framing-inclusive JAWS, he’s far short of the mark for catchers. By the former, he’s had just one 5.0-WAR season and one other worth at least 4.0 WAR; his career .299 on-base percentage is such a drag on his value that he surpasses only two of the 17 enshrined catchers, Ray Schalk and Rick Ferrell, in WAR and JAWS.

And then there’s his pitch framing. By our measure, Perez is 126.8 runs below average in that department, the second-lowest mark of any catcher dating back to 2008, the start of the pitch tracking era. That’s over 290 runs behind the top two catchers, Russell Martin and Brian McCann, both of whom fell off the BBWAA ballot after receiving less than 5% in their 2025 debuts. It’s 277.9 runs behind Yadier Molina, who will become eligible in 2028 and who has a stronger traditional JAWS line (41.7/28.7/35.2) than Perez, and 255.6 runs behind Buster Posey, who will debut on the 2027 ballot this winter and has an even stronger traditional JAWS line than Molina (45.0/36.5/40.8) despite a much shorter career. Both have even better framing-inclusive lines, with Molina at 59.3/37.6/48.5 using Baseball Prospectus data to fill in the gaps for his pre-2008 seasons, and Posey at 57.9/47.7/52.8. The only enshrined catchers for whom we have framing data are Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez, and Joe Mauer, much of it from the older BP sources, but those guys were particularly valuable. Even with that fJAWS average coming down with the forthcoming elections of Molina and Posey, I don’t see how Perez can measure up in comparison.

Elsewhere, between Cal Raleigh’s historic collapse from last year’s 60-homer campaign, Will Smith’s prolonged absence due to inflammation in his neck, and J.T. Realmuto’s continued fade, active veteran catchers besides Perez don’t give us much to talk about from a Hall standpoint, so around the diamond we go, skipping past first base, where there’s good news for Paul Goldschmidt, Matt Olson, and Freeman in the next installment.

Hall of Fame Progress 2026 — Second Basemen
Player Age Career WAR Peak WAR JAWS Rk 2026 WAR 2026 Proj
Jose Altuve 36 53.5 40.2 46.8 19 0.1 0.3
Marcus Semien 35 49.7 41.0 45.4 23 0.2 0.3
AVG HOF 2B 69.1 44.2 56.6
Source: Baseball-Reference
2026 Proj = ZiPS rest-of-season projected WAR

Jose Altuve

Altuve’s bat has dipped to around league average (.245/.309/.399, 99 wRC+), and with just 99 hits, his odds of reaching 3,000 — he’s at 2,487 — have dropped from 41% in last year’s roundup to 36% currently. What’s more, after an early-2025 foray into left field failed to work out, he’s back at second base, where his defense (-13 DRS) has offset virtually all of his offensive value. He really should be DHing, but with Yordan Alvarez on his way to a possible Triple Crown and too injury-prone to put in the field on a regular basis, that avenue is closed in Houston.

At this point, Altuve is nearly 10 points below the standard JAWS-wise, barely ahead of current candidate Dustin Pedroia (51.8/40.9/46.4), who played just nine games after his age-33 season, and far behind Chase Utley (64.6/49.3/56.9), who got a late start. I think voters will be swayed by Altuve’s traditional stats, underdog story line, and reports that he rejected the help provided by the Astros’ trash can signaling system, but I don’t expect him to look like a strong pick from an advanced-stat standpoint.

Marcus Semien

Strong defense has helped Semien clear the 7.0 WAR bar three times, each accompanied by a third-place finish in the MVP voting. He reached the 40.0-WAR peak mark — a strong indicator of future election, with about three-quarters of eligible candidates eventually elected — in 2024, but his offense has since collapsed. He’s hitting just .213/.270/.350 (75 wRC+) and has two more years under contract, but at this rate I’m not even sure he’ll be worth a roster spot by the end of his deal, let alone in a position to convince voters that he’s worthy of election.

Hall of Fame Progress 2026 — Third Basemen
Player Age Career WAR Peak WAR JAWS Rk 2026 WAR 2026 Proj
Manny Machado 33 62.6 42.7 52.7 17 0.7 0.6
José Ramírez 33 59.8 44.7 52.2 19 2.1 0.8
Matt Chapman 33 44.6 37.3 41.0 34 2.9 0.0
AVG HOF 3B 68.9 43.4 56.1
Source: Baseball-Reference
2026 Proj = ZiPS rest-of-season projected WAR

Manny Machado

When I checked in on Machado in June 2025, he was in the midst of a revival as he approached his 2,000th hit; by ZiPS, he had a 31% chance of reaching 3,000. He’s now at 2,172 hits, but with just 103 this year on the back of a .216/.303/.410 (98 wRC+) line, his odds have plummeted to 12%. His first-half numbers were rough, sunk by a .127/.202/.324 performance in May, and after posting a 152 wRC+ in July, he’s back down to 81 in August. If his current wRC+ holds, it will be his worst offensive performance since his 2012 rookie season. He’s still got seven more seasons under contract, so this could get worse, or at the very least become quite a slog, though I still think he’ll wind up in Cooperstown.

José Ramírez

A fractured left hamate knocked Ramírez out of action for nearly six weeks at a point when he was already struggling to hit for power, and with his slugging percentage down 43 points since then, he’s batting just .235/.335/.375 (100 wRC+) on the season. Before he got injured, he overtook Machado and Nolan Arenado in the JAWS rankings, but Machado is now back in the lead, with the other two tied. While Ramírez is just two months younger than Machado, he’s held his value better thanks to stronger offense, with a 19.7–10.7 advantage in WAR since the start of the 2023 season, though his 1,752 hit total is 420 fewer than Manny. I’m still less worried about him than most players here.

Matt Chapman

Strong defense, including five Gold Gloves and a 124 career DRS, has put Chapman on my radar. He’s banked three seasons of at least 7.0 WAR, including one in 2024, but between recurrent inflammation in his right hand last year and a season-ending core muscle injury that required surgery this season, he’s played in just 212 games over the past two seasons, and through his age-33 season, he has just 1,073 hits.

As for Arenado and Alex Bregman, we’ll see them in the next installment.

Hall of Fame Progress 2026 — Shortstops
Player Age Career WAR Peak WAR JAWS Rk 2026 WAR 2026 Proj
Francisco Lindor 32 56.5 42.3 49.4 19 1.0 0.8
Carlos Correa 31 47.0 38.4 42.7 27 1.2 0.0
Corey Seager 32 45.2 36.2 40.7 33 2.1 0.6
Xander Bogaerts 33 43.4 34.3 38.9 38 1.3 0.5
Trea Turner 33 41.7 32.8 37.3 43 0.0 0.6
AVG HOF SS 67.7 43.2 55.5
Source: Baseball-Reference
2026 Proj = ZiPS rest-of-season projected WAR

Francisco Lindor

A fractured left hamate suffered in early February didn’t cost Lindor any regular season time, but a left calf strain sidelined him for two months, prolonging his all-too-typical slow start; meanwhile, the Mets’ season went down the tubes. With 24.1 WAR from 2022–25, not to mention a second-place MVP finish and a long-overdue first All-Star appearance since being traded to the Mets, Lindor was really cooking for awhile, and had started pulling away from the pack here. Hopefully he can regain that momentum.

Carlos Correa

On the heels of a subpar offensive season in 2025 (.276/.332/.402), during which he was traded from the Twins back to the Astros, Correa got off to a strong start this year, hitting .279/.369/.418 through 32 games, but he completely tore the peroneus brevis tendon in his left ankle while taking batting practice in early May, an injury that required season-ending surgery. This is his third season playing fewer than 100 games due to injuries, including 2019 and ’24. He and Lindor both debuted in the same week in June 2015, but Lindor has now racked up 324 more games played, 299 more hits, and 9.5 more WAR. Correa didn’t even rate a mention in Szymborski’s milestones roundup, which isn’t a good sign.

Corey Seager

Though he played in just 344 games from 2023–25 while making six separate trips to the injured list — three for hamstring strains, plus a thumb sprain, surgery to repair a sports hernia, and an appendectomy — Seager was at the top of his game, totaling 18.5 WAR in that span. This year, while being limited to 70 games due to a concussion and lower back inflammation, he’s scuffled at the plate, hitting .224/.321/.413 (106 wRC+) with 13 homers, enough power to offset his low batting average. He’s still been good enough defensively that his season would prorate out to well over 4.0 WAR if he could stay healthy, but whether by chronic issues or flukes, that seems to be beyond him.

Xander Bogaerts

By the time he departed Boston in free agency following the 2022 season, Bogaerts had banked four seasons worth 4.9 WAR or more, but he hasn’t had a season worth more than 2.1 WAR since 2023, his first year in San Diego. He’s in the midst of a career-worst campaign at the plate, batting just .219/.318/.328 (87 wRC+), and he’s now a below-average shortstop. As he becomes further removed from the high level of play he exhibited in his Red Sox days, his chances are fading.

Trea Turner

Just last year, Turner won his second batting title, racked up a 5.4-WAR season, and finished fifth in the NL MVP voting, but he’s fallen apart on both sides of the ball in 2026, batting just .245/.298/.390 (87 wRC+) with -13 DRS at shortstop, one run off his career low. He’s always been several beats behind Lindor and Correa despite debuting just a couple of months after they did, but even with their struggles this season, Turner is falling further behind.

Hall of Fame Progress 2026 — Right Fielders
Player Age Career WAR Peak WAR JAWS Rk 2026 WAR 2026 Proj
Aaron Judge 34 64.3 56.9 60.6 9 2.0 1.2
Juan Soto 27 45.2 40.3 42.8 32 2.7 0.9
Giancarlo Stanton 36 47.0 35.4 41.2 37 0.2 0.0
AVG HOF RF 69.7 42.3 56.0
Source: Baseball-Reference
2026 Proj = ZiPS rest-of-season projected WAR

Aaron Judge

With three MVP awards, three home run titles, the ninth-ranked JAWS at his position, and the fourth-highest peak score, Judge looks like a sure-fire Hall of Famer despite his distance from 2,000 hits (he has just 1,258), but he hasn’t played since May 31 due to a stress fracture in his right first rib, an injury that at one point had doctors concerned he might be suffering from thoracic outlet syndrome. Alas, he’s lived up to his reputation as a slow healer, so he’s played just 59 games and hit 17 homers. He began a hitting progression last week, so he should be back early next month, but substantial progress towards his 400th home run (he’s 15 short) will have to wait until next season. He does have a 28% chance of reaching 600 according to ZiPS, which is pretty cool.

Juan Soto

By far the youngest player here, Soto has been great when he’s played, hitting .283/.408/.539 (159 wRC+) with 21 homers, but strains of his right calf in April and his left calf in late July have limited him to 84 games. Prior to this season, he had been exceptionally durable, playing in at least 150 games annually from 2019–25 save for the pandemic-shortened season, so it’s a bit early to fret that this is going to become an ongoing problem. Assuming he does return, he needs just 0.4 WAR for this to become one of his seven best seasons, boosting his peak score a bit, though a full, healthy season should obliterate that at some point.

Giancarlo Stanton

One more point to add regarding Stanton: He may well be finished in the Bronx, because for as respected as he is in the clubhouse and with regards to his home run-hitting upside, the Yankees simply can’t plan around him. Stanton is heading into the final guaranteed season of his contract, with the Yankees on the hook for another $25 million; the $10 million of his salary to be paid by the Marlins is offset by a $10 million buyout of his $25 million club option for 2028. Given that the team cut bait on Jacoby Ellsbury in 2019 with about $26 million remaining, and DJ LeMahieu last year with $22 million remaining, it wouldn’t be a surprise if they were to release Stanton, or eat most of the remaining money in a trade. Perhaps another team and another training staff can find a way to keep him on the field and give him a better shot at 500 homers.

Despite a career-worst 91 wRC+, right fielder-turned-shortstop Mookie Betts has played strong enough defense to merit coverage in my next roundup, where I’ll catch up with Bryce Harper and a resurgent Mike Trout as well.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
18 days ago

I’m pretty sure most of these guys came into the year with their fates already decided. Verlander and Scherzer for sure, but Judge is also a guaranteed Hall of Famer at this point. Feels like the only question is whether Judge gets 76% on the first ballot or 99% (or somewhere in between).

Most of the other guys had no chance, but I don’t think that Altuve, Ramirez, or Lindor are going to have any trouble getting in. And I think I could defend them all as at least borderline cases now.

Lindor is currently at about 62 fWAR and is only 32 and he has another five years or something like that under contract. Projection systems see him bouncing back. He’s already in the same ballpark as guys like Alan Trammell. A couple more 3-WAR years and he’ll have a similar fWAR as Barry Larkin.

I have some real questions about what DRS is seeing in Altuve’s fielding. He’s certainly well below average out there but -13 DRS bad? In only 830 innings? DRS gives such extreme numbers that it throws off players’ entire profiles. His peak by fWAR isn’t elite but there aren’t really a lot of second basemen in the hall. Six seasons with at least 5 fWAR with two 7+ fWAR years in that group, plus 61 total fWAR looks good to me.

Ramirez is a shade behind Altuve on career fWAR but his peak is probably better with seven total 5+ fWAR seasons. The fact that he’s only about a win behind Altuve despite having nearly 2000 fewer PAs is incredible. If he keeps chugging along at anything resembling a normal decline phrase he will pass Altuve by the end of his deal. There aren’t enough third basemen in the Hall either, especially in recent history.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
18 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Don’t really see a route to Machado being left out, either – 400 HR should be checked off next year.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
18 days ago

Machado is the one guy I think where things are still in doubt. He looks pretty bad right now.

But there is a very high chance he gets in anyway.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
18 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I find it impossible to forget the incidents with Dustin Pedroia and Jesus Aquilar. While these “questionable” plays may or may not be disqualifying they should be considered when the character of a player is part of the criteria.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
18 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Machado’s already cracked 50 JAWS and 2000 hits.

He’s getting to 400 HR next year, when he’ll almost certainly crack 60 fWAR as well.

From there, it’s all gravy.

Left of Centerfield
18 days ago

He’s actually far beyond 50 WAR. He’s at 62.7 bWAR and 59.2 fWAR.

Looking at JAWS, he’s currently at 52.7. Every 3rd baseman above 56.0 JAWS is in the HOF. Machado’s signed for 7 more seasons so he should surpass that easily.

AlbyMember since 2017
16 days ago

Negative WAR is a thing. Cabrera lost 2.4 bWAR over his last 7 seasons. Albert Pujols lost a similar amount over the seven seasons before his 2.1 bWAR last season. I think he’ll rebound from this season, but if he doesn’t, he might finish with no more WAR than he currently has.

tjcook87Member since 2020
18 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’ll bite because I’m very curious to hear your thoughts – what’s your case for Machado not making it into the Hall? what are the doubts?

carterMember since 2020
17 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m not a fan per se , but he is a lock. Funny argument now is Bregman which would of seemed crazy a few weeks ago

airforce21oneMember since 2026
16 days ago

Stanton has 456 HR

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
18 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t think this is true. There are a lot of hall of famers that we trick ourselves into thinking were always “future hall of famers,” but were buoyed by strong second halves of their careers. Giancarlo Stanton likely gets in one way or another with 500 homers, and this year has had a major impact on that (not) happening. Seager and Turner are two more guys that could have looked a lot stronger with a resurgence this year instead of what actually happened.

tjcook87Member since 2020
18 days ago
Reply to  TKDC

I’m of two minds. On the one hand, I don’t know that Matt Chapman will ever reach the counting stats necessary for a serious case for the Hall (he’ll be lucky to finish ~1500 hits at this point)…which could have been stated at the beginning of the year, to the original point. On the other, if he had fired off a fully healthy 6 WAR season, bumping his peak up, that would have bumped his peak score in JAWS to that 40 marker. So he could have looked a lot stronger.

His case is very similar to Semien’s, with three terrific seasons boosting an otherwise very good career, so I think I lean towards the former. But it’s fun to think about the possibility there. As a big Hall proponent, I’m inclined for a half-full view of a career and will always look for the positives & a path for induction.

To my eyes, still one of the greatest 3B defenders I’ve been lucky enough to see in action/in person.

WarrenJMember since 2018
18 days ago
Reply to  tjcook87

Matt Chapman reminds me a lot of Graig Nettles. Nettles was more consistent and played forever, and he still didn’t get much traction in the Hall of Fame voting.

Jason BMember since 2017
18 days ago
Reply to  WarrenJ

Yeah, I think the HOF cases for Semien and Chapman range from slim to none. They both could be one-and-done, or hang around the 10% range for a few years like a Torii Hunter or Mark Buehrle type

tjcook87Member since 2020
18 days ago
Reply to  Jason B

At this point, barring a historically unprecedented turnaround, I’m betting one-and-done for both. Both have those three peak seasons, but not enough consistency or longevity surrounding them/cushioning them.

Jason BMember since 2017
17 days ago
Reply to  tjcook87

If guys with fairly solid HOF cases like Delgado and Lofton only got one bite at the apple, I can’t imagine them faring any better. (Steroid-era ballot crunch notwithstanding)

AlbyMember since 2017
16 days ago
Reply to  Jason B

I’m guessing they’ll fare better because of the lack of worthy alternatives.

AlbyMember since 2017
16 days ago
Reply to  tjcook87

It only takes 5% to stay on the ballot. I’ll take the over.

Athletics Fan Surrounded by GuardiansMember since 2025
18 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Ramirez should get a few bonus points for being the greatest Guardian/Indian since Rapid Robert hung them up. And given how the team is run, quite possibly the last guy who might go in with that C on his cap.

Left of Centerfield
18 days ago

Plus everyone loves Jose. And he’s known for his hustle. Maybe those things shouldn’t matter, but they will.

Athletics Fan Surrounded by GuardiansMember since 2025
17 days ago

I think they should matter. Hustle is largely a choice. Being loved is often a reflection of choices you made, like signing an undermarket deal in Cleveland.

Last edited 17 days ago by Athletics Fan Surrounded by Guardians
airforce21oneMember since 2026
16 days ago

When is hustle not a choice?

Athletics Fan Surrounded by GuardiansMember since 2025
16 days ago
Reply to  airforce21one

“I’m not going to sprint full out because it’s a play that doesn’t matter and I’m sore already.”

“I’m not going to lay out for this catch because I can’t risk getting hurt” (which I hope Mike Trout says on tough plays)

That kind of thing.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
16 days ago

Some people would say that trying hard, even when sore, actually is hustle.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
18 days ago

Altuve might look “better” with these reports, as in, better than if *everyone* thinks he’s a cheater, but there’s no way this becomes a net positive for him. Beltran clearly suffered a bit but was helped by just having a stronger resume. Altuve could be in a lot of trouble if he doesn’t turn things around and make it to 3,000 hits.

ozarkscpaMember since 2024
18 days ago

I’m not convinced by the argument that framing is solely a function of the catcher. One thing my high school coach would talk about is that a pitcher throwing strikes is more likely to get the borderline call than a pitcher with no command.

Salvy clearly isn’t good at framing, but if you’re comparing Bumgarner pitching to Posey in 2014 vs. Heath Fillmyer to Perez in 2018, and saying that the catcher shares the same proportion of responsibility for getting or missing the extra call, it seems absurd. And aside from a few recent years, KC hasn’t had much good starting pitching in the last decade. I think some of the huge gap is inflated by the pitching factor.

MoateMember since 2022
17 days ago
Reply to  ozarkscpa

That’s…that’s not how framing works. We all understand that you can’t frame a bounced ball back into the zone and it’s accounted for in statcast era pitch framing metrics. But you seem to be implying that a catcher can’t influence the situation at all, and the whole point is to say that if the same pitcher tossed to Perez and Posey, Posey would get more marginal calls to tilt his way with his framing. Yes, comparison is always flawed because you’re never going to have lab conditions, but this is pretty weak defense of Perez.

compucles
16 days ago
Reply to  Moate

He/she’s not saying that. He/she’s saying *part* of the credit should go to the pitcher instead of the catcher. They share the credit, rather than it all going to one or the other. Naturally, this still means that the catcher deserves relatively less credit for framing that fWAR suggests.

I agree with this argument. While he was an extreme example, everyone always said that the umpires called more strikes outside the zone for Greg Maddux than most other pitches due to how good his command was.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
16 days ago
Reply to  compucles

That’s true, but if Perez’s bad numbers were more due to the pitchers than to him, you’d expect the other catchers catching the same staffs to have similar numbers, and the Royals have had at least two backups (Cam Gallagher and Freddy Fermin) put up great framing numbers during the Perez era. Drew Butera and MJ Melendez had terrible numbers, but I’m comfortable hanging most of this on the catchers.

ChrisMember since 2020
18 days ago

Altuve is a cheater. He absolutely did benefit from the scheme. He got to face pitchers who were under more duress, with more men on base and more runs being scored against them. He knew the cheating was happening, and he didn’t stop it or report it. To accept the benefits of a scheme he knew was happening, knew was wrong, and knew was benefitting him as a batter is just cheating, plain and simple.

Left of Centerfield
18 days ago
Reply to  Chris

I don’t know. That seems like a tall ask. To expect a player to throw his teammates under the bus and then have to play with them day after day after day.

And you could say the exact same thing about clean players during the PEDs era. I guarantee you that there were players who know what was going on but looked the other way. They benefitted the same way that Altuve did. And we laud them for being clean during a time when lots of others weren’t.

Jason BMember since 2017
18 days ago

Right? This just seems to be forgetting what humans act like day-to-day when they’re around their peers and friends. We like to think we would bravely crusade to root out all the wrongdoing like Frank Serpico, but more than likely the vast majority, even if wanting no part in the scheme themselves, would just grit their teeth and look the other way.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
17 days ago
Reply to  Jason B

Brian McCann managed to at least speak up internally.

Left of Centerfield
17 days ago

Supposedly he went to Beltran once and asked him to stop it. Beltran didn’t and McCann didn’t do anything else. McCann also had the advantage of having played with Beltran for 3 years with the Yankees. So he probably knew him better and might have perceived that he had some leverage.

ChrisMember since 2020
17 days ago

I mean this with all respect. What you’re describing is moral cowardice. I would hope that a team leader would take action when wrongdoing is happening right in front of him. At least Hinch tore down the video monitor.

Don’t excuse or accept moral cowardice from leaders. It allows bad things to thrive.

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Left of Centerfield
17 days ago
Reply to  Chris

I understand your point but I think it’s a lot easier to moralize from the outside and say what people should have done. Than to actually be in that situation and take that same action. Also, let’s not forget that the actual whistleblower – Mike Fiers – reported receiving death threats as a result.

It’s also a bit strange that you seem to be letting Hinch off the hook. When he supposedly knew what was going on but never tried to put a stop to it or report it to higher-ups. I’d say the manager of a team is a leader much more so than a player.

GoatHerderMember since 2016
17 days ago

I think there is a difference between going public like Fiers versus talking to your teammates and saying “hey guys, I think we’ve crossed a line here, let’s knock it off” as a team leader. However, like most things that look ridiculously bad, it was likely a series of incremental steps that led to that point. In the end, Altuve knew, he benefitted and there has been no public insistence that he ever stood up against it.

Left of Centerfield
16 days ago
Reply to  GoatHerder

That’s a fair point re: Fiers.

I’m not certain Altuve was a leader though. Yes, he was their best player. But that doesn’t automatically make him a leader. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. None of us were in the Astros clubhouse.

I think this article from The Athletic is instructive. Here are some key quotes:

1) “I was in my first year, man,” former Astros pitcher Joe Musgrove, now with the Pirates, said in a Jan. 24 interview on MLB Network. “Along with (Alex) Bregman and a lot of those guys, and in your first year in the big leagues you’re around guys like Beltrán and (Brian) McCann, some big names. And I’m not going to be the pitcher to walk up and tell ‘em to knock it off.”

2) During the season, small groups of Astros discussed their misgivings. McCann at one point approached Beltrán and asked him to stop, two members of the 2017 team said.
“He disregarded it and steamrolled everybody,” one of the team members said. “Where do you go if you’re a young, impressionable player with the Astros and this guy says, ‘We’re doing this’? What do you do?”

3) Members of the 2017 Astros use various terms to describe Beltrán — El Jefe, the Godfather, the king, the alpha male in the building. Beltrán was 40 that season, capping off a 20-year career, seeking to add to his Hall of Fame resumé. No other person in the Astros’ clubhouse carried the same stature, including McCann, who was 33 that season and a less accomplished player.

4) Manfred’s report states that Hinch attempted to signal his disapproval of the Astros’ scheme by twice physically damaging a monitor that team members used to decode signs from the center-field feed, necessitating its replacement. But Hinch evidently feared he would lose credibility in his clubhouse by taking further steps.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/1600638/2020/02/11/details-emerge-about-carlos-beltrans-role-in-the-2017-astros-clubhouse-and-the-teams-sign-stealing-scheme/

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
17 days ago

Hinch and Cora absolutely deserve most of the blame…but Altuve was a clubhouse leader and vet in his own right.

compucles
16 days ago

Ever heard of Buck Weaver? He was banned from baseball like the other 8 Black Sox players just for knowing about the World Series fix without participating in it, because he didn’t report it.

AlbyMember since 2017
16 days ago
Reply to  compucles

I don’t agree with that decision either, so IMO it’s useless as precedent.

WerthlessMember since 2020
17 days ago
Reply to  Chris

I thought the rumors he was using a buzzer, and not the trashcan, to be plausible.

Barney Coolio
17 days ago

Padres:

I thought for sure Machado would reach 400 HRs this season as he hit #392 on July 26th, his 23rd of the season. Since then, he has hit exactly 1 home run. He is signed through 2033, which is another issue, so 500 HRs seems like a foregone conclusion. 3000 hits used to be seen that way, but maybe not. He was a deserving All Star last year, so maybe he can bounce back.

Bogaerts: Why is he also signed through 2033? So dumb.

kuri3460Member since 2025
17 days ago

I don’t like to be Debbie Downer, but look at the past 10 years of Giancarlo Stanton’s career, and compare it to the final 10 of Jose Canseco’s.

There’s no question Stanton can hit – he’s always hit – but he’s never been a model of durability and would be going into 2027 a full seven years removed from playing anything resembling a full season.

I don’t think there’s any doubt the Yankees will release him – while the man can still hit, as you’ve said he can’t reliably suit up anymore. The market for this type of player is not large.

Personally, I think he’s already played his final MLB game.

AlbyMember since 2017
16 days ago
Reply to  kuri3460

I don’t think it’s that bad, but I agree with Jay that 500 looks like an under-50% proposition.

bookbookMember since 2019
17 days ago

Cal Raleigh may have lost the most momentum towards the HOF of any player in baseball. Anything vaguely resembling last year would have really made him se on the way. This year makes 2025 look like a fluke, despite his previous 4-5 WAR seasons.

Adam SMember since 2016
17 days ago

It’s mind boggling that people outside of Kansas City talk about Salvy Perez like his Hall of Fame induction is only a matter of time.

And reasonable look at the stats makes it clear he’s well short. One may personally think he’s worth of induction, but good luck convincing 75% of the BBWAA of that.

Giancarlo Stanton isn’t a Hall of Famer but at least he had some great seasons in his younger years and I guess it’s possible he finally gets healthy, plays 500 more games and hits another 100 HR and has a case, even if his JAWS barely moves.

darrylhumpsgophersMember since 2020
17 days ago

Hoping Dan brings back the ZiPS Time Warp series, especially for Stanton

rich domovicMember since 2019
17 days ago

Matt Chapman has a WRC+ of 117 at this point.

Andru Jones had a career WRC+ of 111.

So if the fielding fanboys could get Andru elected, there certainly is hope for Matt.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
17 days ago
Reply to  rich domovic

Matt Chapman is a great defensive 3B.

Andruw Jones is a Top 2 defensive CF of all time.

It’s the difference between Nettles and Beltre, defensively.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
16 days ago

Salvador Perez has nine All-Star appearances and 17.9 career WAR. Is this the lowest career WAR/All-Star appearance ratio ever?

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formerly matt wMember since 2025
16 days ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Gotta set a minimum or he’ll be beaten out by Bryan LaHair at least (1 All-Star appearance, 0.7 fWAR). At two all-star appearances, there’s Mike Williams (2 AS, 3.4 fWAR), though using a reliever may be cheating.

Perez is well ahead of famous enemies of WAR like Joe Carter or Ruben Sierra, though, so he may have a shot with a reasonable minimum. Though since bWAR rates Perez much higher at 35.4, Carter barely nips him on bWAR per All-Star game.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
16 days ago

Sure, floor makes sense, and yes, relievers should be on a different scale.

Perez: 17.9 WAR/9 AS games = 1.98 career WAR per AS game

Sierra: 13.9 WAR/4 AS games = 3.48 career WAR per AS game

Carter: 17.1 WAR/5 AS games = 3.42 career WAR per AS game

Perez is pretty far “ahead”.

compucles
16 days ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Are we counting relievers? For example, Riley O’Brien now has an All-Star selection with a current career WAR of 0.4, although that will probably get significantly better over the rest of his career.

Maybe there’s someone with a pity selection who finished with less than 2 career WAR?

airforce21oneMember since 2026
16 days ago

Xander Bogaerts and Manny Machado are both under contract for seven more seasons.

Good luck, next GM of the Padres

jerms311
16 days ago

It’s super strange that you use bWAR while we’re on Fangraphs

AlbyMember since 2017
16 days ago
Reply to  jerms311

He’s been using bWAR since before joining Fangraphs.

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