History, Peaks, and Mike Trout: The Year Four Update
We’ve gone exactly one day without baseball, so it’s probably time to write another post about Mike Trout.
The framing device I used the first time I wrote this post was LeBron James. I’m a Cavaliers fan, and when I’d written the post, LeBron James played for the Miami Heat and I didn’t think I’d ever see him play for Cleveland again. When LeBron first left for Miami, I was sad, of course, but the initial sadness was simply “my favorite team is bad again.” The later sadness, the sadness that stuck, was the crippling fear that I’d taken James’ time in Cleveland, his truly historic time, for granted. That I hadn’t appreciated him enough. That I’d gotten too used to how incredible he was, rather than being thankful each and every day that he existed, and that I could watch him do the things he does, feeling pride that he represented my city. The thing about realizing you took something special for granted is, you almost never get another chance to re-do it. I got lucky with LeBron.
Mike Trout just posted another nine-win season, and he’s likely to finish as runner-up MVP yet again. Another indisputably historic season that won’t be recognized as such at year’s end. It’s not anyone’s fault, really. The first year, Miguel Cabrera won a freaking Triple Crown. The next year, he had an even better season. Then Trout had his “worst” year yet and finally got his MVP. This year, Josh Donaldson will absolutely deserve the MVP he most likely wins. More than one person can, and usually does, deserve it, after all.
It feels like Bryce Harper helped take some of the shine away from Trout this season. Perhaps rightfully so. But there should be enough shine to go around for the both of them. Not to say Trout goes unappreciated. Fans of the game recognize that he’s special. They recognize Harper is special. But do we appreciate them enough? Is it possible to appreciate them enough? Baseball hasn’t seen a pairing like Trout and Harper since Mays and Mantle in the mid-50’s and, no, that’s not an exaggeration. Maybe I’m overstating it, but I guess I’m just terrified that, down the road, once the inevitable darkness that is Father Time has shown up and done his bidding on Trout and Harper, that too many people will look back at what we once had the same way I’d looked back on LeBron before I was lucky enough to be given a second chance. Wondering why they didn’t go to more games, wondering why they took something so special for granted. See Mike Trout play as often as you can. Watch a few Angels games on television, even if you’re not a fan. Drive an hour or two to a ballpark, if you have to.
One of the great things about modern baseball statistics is the ability to compare across generations. It’s what makes wRC+ so invaluable. Fifty percent better than league average will always be fifty percent better than league average. Nine Wins Above Replacement now is worth the same as Nine Wins Above Replacement in 1940. The greats of years past have a legacy. The players of our age don’t yet have that and, on the fly, it can be hard to contextualize what the accomplishments of today’s players mean. Where they stand in the bigger picture, and what their eventual legacy may become.
Mike Trout has now played four full seasons, and he’s accumulated more than 37 WAR. Only nine players in Major League history have done that in any four-year stretch. Trout’s done it to begin a career. Trout’s already been one of the greatest players the game has ever seen. He might go on to be more than that.
The table that follows these words is about more than Mike Trout, though. It’s about the most special players in baseball history, none of which should be taken for granted. It’s about learning something new of the game you love and the great players who paved the way for the ones we have today. It’s about gaining a sense of context, to allow you to better appreciate what’s before us now. We should cherish the present. Just as important, we should never forget the past.
The columns in this table are all sortable, and there’s so many fun little nuggets within it, so please, play around with it. I promise you’ll learn something new. After the jump, I’ll share some assorted notes that I find interesting. I encourage you to do the same in the comments.

| Name | Years | Age | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | HR | SB | BsR | Def | tWAR | HOF? |
| Babe Ruth | 1921-24 | 26-29 | .369 | .506 | .761 | 213 | 181 | 45 | -5.1 | 15.2 | 46.4 | X |
| Barry Bonds | 2001-04 | 36-39 | .349 | .559 | .809 | 232 | 209 | 35 | 0.5 | -12.7 | 45.0 | |
| Willie Mays | 1962-65 | 31-34 | .308 | .386 | .612 | 174 | 186 | 54 | 6.0 | 63.8 | 42.5 | X |
| Mickey Mantle | 1955-58 | 23-26 | .331 | .462 | .643 | 196 | 165 | 52 | 9.5 | 7.6 | 41.1 | X |
| Rogers Hornsby | 1921-24 | 25-28 | .402 | .471 | .674 | 199 | 105 | 38 | -3.8 | 21.0 | 40.5 | X |
| Ted Williams | 1946-49 | 27-30 | .349 | .496 | .642 | 198 | 138 | 5 | -1.1 | -22.7 | 39.5 | X |
| Lou Gehrig | 1927-30 | 24-27 | .357 | .461 | .681 | 190 | 150 | 30 | -12.2 | -18.7 | 38.8 | X |
| Joe Morgan | 1973-76 | 29-32 | .307 | .435 | .516 | 169 | 92 | 252 | 33.3 | 41.4 | 38.5 | X |
| Jimmie Foxx | 1932-35 | 24-27 | .350 | .457 | .687 | 183 | 186 | 22 | -3.1 | -5.4 | 37.8 | X |
| Mike Trout | 2012-15 | 20-23 | .308 | .403 | .568 | 171 | 134 | 109 | 31.7 | 10.0 | 37.6 | |
| Carl Yastrzemski | 1967-70 | 27-30 | .302 | .414 | .554 | 169 | 147 | 61 | 0.6 | 35.3 | 36.5 | X |
| Alex Rodriguez | 2000-03 | 24-27 | .308 | .401 | .613 | 157 | 197 | 59 | 12.5 | 58.5 | 36.1 | |
| Stan Musial | 1948-51 | 27-30 | .354 | .444 | .635 | 182 | 135 | 19 | 1.7 | -15.6 | 36.1 | X |
| Ron Santo | 1964-67 | 24-27 | .302 | .395 | .531 | 155 | 124 | 11 | -2.2 | 50.9 | 34.8 | X |
| Mike Schmidt | 1974-77 | 24-27 | .267 | .383 | .541 | 151 | 150 | 81 | 1.4 | 79.6 | 34.5 | X |
| Albert Pujols | 2006-09 | 26-29 | .335 | .441 | .637 | 173 | 165 | 32 | -1.9 | 3.2 | 34.5 | |
| Jackie Robinson | 1949-52 | 30-33 | .330 | .431 | .506 | 152 | 68 | 98 | 14.7 | 62.3 | 34.2 | X |
| Wade Boggs | 1985-88 | 27-30 | .364 | .460 | .508 | 162 | 45 | 5 | -5.0 | 29.2 | 33.8 | X |
| Hank Aaron | 1960-63 | 26-29 | .315 | .379 | .591 | 162 | 163 | 83 | 6.1 | 13.9 | 33.7 | X |
| Duke Snider | 1953-56 | 26-29 | .320 | .415 | .626 | 164 | 167 | 34 | -0.5 | 21.4 | 33.1 | X |
| Ernie Banks | 1957-60 | 26-29 | .293 | .362 | .586 | 145 | 176 | 15 | -1.8 | 70.0 | 32.8 | X |
| Joe DiMaggio | 1939-42 | 24-27 | .346 | .420 | .603 | 167 | 112 | 12 | -1.3 | 22.9 | 31.4 | X |
| Chase Utley | 2006-09 | 27-30 | .303 | .391 | .533 | 138 | 118 | 61 | 34.5 | 59.5 | 31.3 | |
| Charlie Gehringer | 1934-37 | 31-34 | .352 | .437 | .524 | 142 | 59 | 37 | -1.7 | 55.5 | 30.9 | X |
| Tris Speaker^ | 1920-23 | 32-35 | .377 | .467 | .578 | 168 | 39 | 28 | 1.6 | -1.2 | 30.6 | X |
| Mel Ott | 1935-38 | 26-29 | .318 | .419 | .564 | 163 | 130 | 20 | 2.6 | -2.0 | 30.6 | X |
| Arky Vaughan | 1933-36 | 21-24 | .340 | .440 | .515 | 162 | 49 | 23 | 3.4 | 27.7 | 30.6 | VC |
| Roberto Clemente | 1966-69 | 31-34 | .328 | .381 | .530 | 155 | 89 | 22 | 1.7 | 25.7 | 30.6 | X |
| Cal Ripken Jr. | 1983-86 | 22-25 | .297 | .362 | .490 | 135 | 105 | 8 | -2.8 | 85.5 | 30.5 | X |
| Rod Carew | 1974-77 | 28-31 | .361 | .425 | .494 | 158 | 40 | 145 | 6.8 | 2.2 | 30.3 | X |
| Ken Griffey Jr. | 1996-99 | 26-29 | .294 | .381 | .615 | 146 | 209 | 75 | 7.4 | 37.9 | 30.3 | |
| George Brett | 1977-80 | 24-27 | .329 | .384 | .553 | 151 | 78 | 69 | 0.5 | 58.7 | 30.2 | X |
| Gary Carter | 1982-85 | 28-31 | .285 | .362 | .482 | 137 | 105 | 6 | -2.7 | 90.0 | 29.5 | X |
| Jeff Bagwell | 1996-99 | 28-31 | .302 | .439 | .578 | 166 | 150 | 101 | 4.6 | -20.3 | 29.5 | |
| Eddie Mathews | 1953-56 | 21-24 | .288 | .403 | .587 | 161 | 165 | 20 | 2.0 | 13.5 | 29.4 | X |
| Rickey Henderson | 1987-90 | 28-31 | .299 | .416 | .462 | 150 | 63 | 276 | 35.9 | 28.1 | 29.4 | X |
| Jason Giambi | 1999-02 | 28-31 | .326 | .452 | .612 | 175 | 155 | 7 | -4.9 | -54.5 | 29.3 | |
| Joe Cronin | 1930-33 | 23-26 | .319 | .401 | .482 | 130 | 36 | 39 | -5.4 | 91.2 | 28.6 | X |
| Hank Greenberg | 1937-40 | 26-29 | .327 | .432 | .662 | 162 | 172 | 29 | -1.7 | -22.6 | 28.5 | X |
| Johnny Mize | 1937-40 | 24-27 | .341 | .424 | .618 | 176 | 123 | 9 | 0.5 | -32.5 | 28.4 | VC |
| Johnny Bench | 1972-75 | 24-27 | .272 | .361 | .499 | 138 | 126 | 26 | 1.8 | 67.6 | 28.3 | X |
| Robin Yount | 1980-83 | 24-27 | .304 | .353 | .515 | 141 | 79 | 50 | 4.3 | 56.0 | 28.3 | X |
| Todd Helton | 2000-03 | 26-29 | .349 | .446 | .648 | 157 | 154 | 17 | -2.4 | -11.3 | 28.3 | |
| Bobby Grich | 1973-76 | 24-27 | .260 | .378 | .409 | 135 | 57 | 62 | -0.5 | 69.7 | 28.1 | |
| Dick Allen | 1964-67 | 22-25 | .311 | .388 | .559 | 163 | 112 | 48 | 4.1 | -21.3 | 28.0 | |
| Al Simmons | 1928-31 | 26-29 | .372 | .415 | .641 | 164 | 107 | 17 | -2.2 | 10.8 | 27.8 | X |
| Frank Robinson | 1961-64 | 25-28 | .310 | .401 | .561 | 155 | 126 | 89 | 8.0 | -12.7 | 27.8 | X |
| Andre Dawson | 1980-83 | 25-28 | .303 | .350 | .518 | 140 | 96 | 124 | 11.3 | 53.0 | 27.8 | X |
| Sammy Sosa | 1998-01 | 29-32 | .310 | .396 | .662 | 160 | 243 | 32 | -3.8 | -23.1 | 27.7 | |
| Nomar Garciaparra | 1997-00 | 23-26 | .337 | .386 | .577 | 142 | 113 | 53 | 2.0 | 52.3 | 27.6 | |
| Harry Heilmann | 1922-25 | 27-30 | .375 | .450 | .581 | 164 | 62 | 36 | 4.7 | -25.2 | 27.5 | X |
| Ralph Kiner | 1947-50 | 24-27 | .290 | .412 | .605 | 161 | 192 | 10 | 1.2 | -26.2 | 27.5 | X |
| Mike Piazza | 1995-98 | 26-29 | .343 | .411 | .594 | 167 | 140 | 7 | -0.7 | 17.3 | 27.4 | |
| Miguel Cabrera | 2010-13 | 27-30 | .337 | .425 | .612 | 176 | 156 | 12 | -20.8 | -56.2 | 27.4 | |
| Andrew McCutchen | 2011-14 | 24-27 | .304 | .394 | .515 | 153 | 100 | 88 | 13.6 | -0.2 | 27.4 | |
| Robinson Cano | 2010-13 | 27-30 | .312 | .373 | .533 | 142 | 117 | 21 | -5.9 | 15.7 | 27.4 | |
| Craig Biggio | 1995-98 | 29-32 | .306 | .403 | .476 | 141 | 79 | 155 | 16.2 | 19.2 | 27.2 | X |
| Frank Thomas | 1991-94 | 23-26 | .326 | .449 | .596 | 181 | 135 | 13 | -1.6 | -68.7 | 27.0 | X |
| Andruw Jones | 1998-01 | 21-24 | .276 | .342 | .501 | 113 | 127 | 83 | 5.0 | 132.7 | 27.0 | |
| Evan Longoria | 2008-11 | 22-25 | .274 | .360 | .515 | 134 | 113 | 34 | 8.0 | 70.2 | 27.0 | |
| Ryne Sandberg | 1989-92 | 29-32 | .298 | .365 | .513 | 142 | 122 | 79 | 4.9 | 23.2 | 26.9 | X |
| Joe Gordon | 1940-43 | 25-28 | .281 | .367 | .471 | 129 | 89 | 44 | -4.4 | 84.8 | 26.8 | VC |
| Willie McCovey | 1967-70 | 29-32 | .295 | .415 | .587 | 174 | 151 | 7 | 0.4 | -44.3 | 26.6 | X |
| Scott Rolen | 2001-04 | 26-29 | .288 | .381 | .530 | 137 | 118 | 41 | 2.3 | 70.6 | 26.6 | |
| Ken Boyer | 1958-61 | 27-30 | .313 | .378 | .525 | 133 | 107 | 37 | -0.3 | 53.0 | 26.5 | |
| Frankie Frisch | 1921-24 | 22-25 | .337 | .388 | .471 | 129 | 32 | 131 | 11.4 | 76.3 | 26.5 | X |
| Tim Raines | 1984-87 | 24-27 | .323 | .409 | .477 | 146 | 46 | 265 | 39.1 | -13.7 | 26.4 | |
| Bill Terry | 1929-32 | 30-33 | .368 | .412 | .563 | 149 | 74 | 30 | 5.3 | 5.6 | 26.4 | X |
| Charlie Keller | 1940-43 | 23-26 | .287 | .410 | .543 | 157 | 111 | 35 | 0.5 | 0.5 | 26.4 | |
| Jim Edmonds | 2001-04 | 31-34 | .298 | .409 | .596 | 157 | 139 | 18 | -0.8 | 33.5 | 26.4 | |
| Joe Medwick | 1935-38 | 23-26 | .350 | .383 | .581 | 152 | 90 | 14 | 1.7 | -8.5 | 26.1 | X |
| Chipper Jones | 1998-01 | 26-29 | .318 | .419 | .587 | 154 | 153 | 64 | 1.3 | -12.9 | 26.0 | |
| Ben Zobrist | 2009-12 | 28-31 | .268 | .369 | .458 | 129 | 77 | 74 | 11.7 | 48.1 | 26.0 | |
| Lou Boudreau | 1945-48 | 27-30 | .317 | .394 | .449 | 137 | 31 | 10 | -4.0 | 78.1 | 25.9 | X |
| Goose Goslin | 1925-28 | 24-27 | .336 | .402 | .534 | 140 | 83 | 82 | 4.3 | 2.7 | 25.8 | VC |
| Al Kaline | 1955-58 | 20-23 | .316 | .381 | .512 | 137 | 93 | 31 | -0.6 | 40.4 | 25.8 | X |
| Grady Sizemore | 2005-08 | 22-25 | .281 | .372 | .496 | 129 | 107 | 115 | 31.8 | 37.4 | 25.8 | |
| Hack Wilson | 1927-30 | 27-30 | .334 | .422 | .629 | 159 | 156 | 23 | 3.4 | -26.8 | 25.7 | VC |
| Mark McGwire | 1996-99 | 32-35 | .290 | .437 | .704 | 181 | 245 | 4 | 0.7 | -72.6 | 25.7 | |
| Willie Stargell | 1971-74 | 31-34 | .297 | .393 | .593 | 172 | 150 | 1 | -0.4 | -28.1 | 25.6 | X |
| Chuck Klein | 1930-33 | 25-28 | .360 | .415 | .631 | 160 | 137 | 46 | 8.7 | -45.8 | 25.5 | VC |
| Pete Rose | 1973-76 | 32-35 | .316 | .399 | .427 | 136 | 25 | 21 | -1.8 | 20.7 | 25.4 | |
| Joey Votto | 2010-13 | 26-29 | .317 | .434 | .544 | 164 | 104 | 35 | -5.7 | -27.5 | 25.4 | |
| Sal Bando | 1969-72 | 25-28 | .263 | .382 | .435 | 138 | 90 | 13 | -5.0 | 38.1 | 25.4 | |
| Tony Gwynn | 1984-87 | 24-27 | .341 | .400 | .457 | 139 | 32 | 140 | 7.1 | 15.2 | 25.4 | X |
| Brooks Robinson | 1964-67 | 27-30 | .288 | .345 | .461 | 129 | 91 | 7 | 0.1 | 76.4 | 25.3 | X |
| Chuck Knoblauch | 1994-97 | 25-28 | .319 | .413 | .468 | 129 | 38 | 188 | 16.1 | 47.2 | 25.3 | |
| Ivan Rodriguez | 1996-99 | 24-27 | .316 | .354 | .506 | 114 | 95 | 46 | 2.3 | 116.2 | 25.2 | |
| George Foster | 1976-79 | 27-30 | .303 | .372 | .569 | 155 | 151 | 27 | 0.9 | 3.7 | 25.1 | |
| Cesar Cedeno | 1972-75 | 21-24 | .299 | .366 | .494 | 143 | 86 | 218 | 18.0 | 8.2 | 25.0 | |
| Ken Williams | 1921-24 | 31-34 | .341 | .426 | .591 | 154 | 110 | 95 | -2.3 | -4.5 | 25.0 | |
| Adrian Beltre | 2010-13 | 31-34 | .314 | .358 | .545 | 138 | 126 | 5 | -5.9 | 33.3 | 25.0 | |
| Edgar Martinez | 1995-98 | 32-35 | .333 | .456 | .584 | 166 | 112 | 10 | -3.2 | -64.8 | 24.9 | |
| Ryan Braun | 2009-12 | 25-28 | .318 | .385 | .560 | 153 | 131 | 97 | 19.9 | -50.8 | 24.9 | |
| David Wright | 2005-08 | 22-25 | .311 | .394 | .534 | 142 | 116 | 86 | 13.2 | 9.6 | 24.9 | |
| Don Mattingly | 1984-87 | 23-26 | .337 | .381 | .560 | 152 | 119 | 4 | -2.7 | -21.9 | 24.8 | |
| Larry Doby | 1950-53 | 26-29 | .290 | .409 | .522 | 152 | 106 | 20 | 0.9 | 9.6 | 24.8 | VC |
| Reggie Jackson | 1972-75 | 26-29 | .274 | .363 | .508 | 152 | 122 | 73 | 4.3 | -3.1 | 24.8 | X |
| Ozzie Smith | 1986-89 | 31-34 | .282 | .364 | .354 | 105 | 5 | 160 | 17.9 | 112.8 | 24.8 | X |
| Eddie Murray | 1982-85 | 26-29 | .306 | .394 | .529 | 150 | 125 | 27 | 2.2 | -11.1 | 24.7 | X |
^actual four-year peak included pre-1920 seasons
- In Mike Trout’s first four full seasons, he’s had peak Willie Mays’ batting average, peak Tony Gwynn’s on-base percentage, peak Mel Ott’s slugging percentage, peak Albert Pujols’ wRC+, more homers than peak Stan Musial and more steals than peak Jackie Robinson.
- Barry Bonds had a four-year stretch where his slugging percentage started with an 8.
- The Hall of Fame peaks that never were: Bobby Grich, Dick Allen, Ken Boyer, Charlie Keller, Sal Bando, George Foster, Ken Williams and Donnie Baseball.
- Position player Hall of Famers elected by the BBWAA without top-100 peaks: Pie Traynor, Gabby Hartnett, Mickey Cochrane, Paul Waner, Bill Dickey, Luke Appling, Yogi Berra, Roy Campanella, Harmon Killebrew, Luis Aparicio, Billy Williams, Lou Brock, Tony Perez, Carlton Fisk, Dave Winfield, Jim Rice, Paul Molitor, Kirby Puckett, Barry Larkin, Roberto Alomar
- Chase Utley’s peak is comparable to Ernie Banks and Jackie Robinson. Get the man in the Hall of Fame.
- Ozzie Smith hit five home runs in four years and had a top-100 four-year peak
- Eras be damned, Rogers Hornsby hit .400 over a four-year stretch
- The only players in this table with 3+ WAR of both baserunning and defensive value are: Joe Morgan, Chase Utley and… Grady Sizemore. What could have been 🙁
- On a similar note, the only players in this table with at least 100 homers and 100 steals are: Trout, Sizemore and… Jeff Bagwell. Speaking of guys who need to be in the Hall of Fame.
- Good lord, Andruw Jones’ defense
- There’s something I love about Miggy, McCutchen and Cano having the exact same peak WAR
- Ben Zobrist was the most valuable player in baseball between 2009-12
- Chuck Knoblauch, at his best, was better than a lot of people probably give him credit for. Chuck Knoblauch, at his worst, is probably the reason why.
August used to cover the Indians for MLB and ohio.com, but now he's here and thinks writing these in the third person is weird. So you can reach me on Twitter @AugustFG_ or e-mail at august.fagerstrom@fangraphs.com.
I took in as much Albert Pujols in those first 10 years as possible. He made me understand why New Yorkers adored Mickey Mantle. Pujols absolutely reinvigorated my love of baseball.
Same here. Didn’t watch too much Bonds who was even better, but got to see a lot of Pujols. The man could turn absolutely any pitch into a 400+ ft blast. Unbelievable plate coverage.
Same here. I’ve followed him since his days in A ball two blocks from the office where I sit typing these words. He absolutely eviscerated the Midwest League and promptly began doing the same to MLB the next year. Amazing.
And I’m still glad the Cardinals didn’t sign him to a 10 year deal.
Is it just me, or is this the quietest 9 WAR season in memory?
We, especially Angels fans like myself, have been spoiled by Trout. Any time he posts a single digit WAR it feels like a letdown.
Is it just me, or do others realize that Trout, who was probably playing hurt, could have taken off all of August and ended up with the same WAR, 40 HR, and much higher rate stats?
Dang, that list is a lot of fun to look through. I’m glad to know it wasn’t just me being a child that made Nomar Garciaparra seem so good in the late 90s.
He was way better than Jeetah.
A better peak does not indicate a better player, while garciaparra had an amazing peak in terms of war, he is 403rd in career war, compared to jeters 88th. So yeah he was a better player for a short while, but jeter was the more consistently good player.
Thanks Yankees fan….. that info was so hard to come by. You’ve enlightened us all.
Especially when said player’s career was derailed by catastrophic joint and ligament problems that started popping up immediately after he was featured on SI for being insanely ripped.
Didn’t he lose a year to a Clemens fastball too? You say that as though Jeter wasn’t ever ripped lol at Yankee fans\Redsox haters. Always enlighten the comments sections
Lol at “Jeetah”
Just focusing on the top of the list, I am always amazed at just how good ROn Santo was. It’s one of those things – I know he was good and I’ve looked at his numbers before but it just always seems like you look at his numbers and say, “Wow, that guy was really good!” even though you knew beforehand he was really good.
Especially when you consider how tough it was to either hit .300 or get 30 HRs in a season during the 60’s. Santo did both in the same year three times, while playing a great 3B.
The Adrian Beltre of his era, right down to his toughness. Should have been a no-brainer HOF selection.
Yeah, one of the all time inexplicable HoF snubs. I remember sitting with my cubs fan buddy around 2002 and playing with BBREF comparing Santo to all other HoF 3B and he was better than all of them in at least a couple of categories.
Barry Bonds’s 4 year peak ISO was 46 points higher than Mark Mcgwire’s.
During Bonds’ peak years, no matter what I was doing around the house, my wife would yell out “Bonds is up!” because she knew I wanted to see his at bats. (We’re in the Giants TV territory.)
Well, Barry did have better drugs.
Great article thanks.
If players were not limited to their best 4 year stretch how many players actually comprise the top 100 four year peaks? Such a list might further underscore how great Trout has been.
Could you add in other 4 year peaks that don’t cross over these? Like Barry Bonds 1990-1993?
Or other 4 year peaks that do cross over?
I would love to see a comparison of “first peak” Bonds versus “second peak” Bonds from the chart above. While FPBonds was a true five tool guy, SPBonds was nearly immobile. I was highly amused that Ruth not only stole more bases than SPBonds but was a much better fielder as well.
First peak Bonds would be 1990-93 and would be at 37.2, so right beneath where Trout is now.
The fact that eight years separated those two stretches is God Damn Insane
No its not insane it was the use of steriods. Pretty simple but hey its all about the glory and money.
The point is nobody else did anything like that, and lots of other people did steroids (not just 3 or 4 guys).
It would be fascinating to run other all time great players through the “Barry Bonds treatment” and see how they turn out. What we are left with is Bonds and a bunch of guys who either were likely using PED all along and/or were not nearly as good to start with. Assuming Bonds did begin roiding late, it would also be fascinating to see what would have been had he started roiding much earlier. Maybe it would have prevented him from being so good into his late 30s; or perhaps he’d have been better, if that’s even possible???
But the bottom line to me is that Bonds career arc is not really “insane.” It’s monumentally impressive despite his use of PED, but it isn’t something that would be difficult to conceive given all the other evidence in the steroid era.
Please don’t look at SB as a representation of a guy being slow on the bases. SPBonds still had a higher BSR than Ruth in th chart.
Does “SP” stand for “Second Peak” or “Super Powered.”
Either applies, after all.
Lou Boudreau’s WAR trend over 1945-1948:
3.7, 3.9, 7.3, 10.9
His strikeout trend over those same years:
20, 14, 10, 9
Yup. Once he was able to cut down on the K’s, his game really took off.
BTW, guys with more than 15 WAR over the last 3 years who could break into this list (not counting guys already on the list – Trout, Mccutcheon, Miggy) with a big 2016:
Harper 14.9 WAR (ok, 14.9 WAR or more. . . )
Bautista 15.1
Machado 15.2
Beltre 15.3
Carlos Gomez 15.7 (Carlos Gomez?)
Carpenter 16.0
POsey 16.2 (had to double check to make sure he wasn’t already on the list)
Goldschmidt 18.0
Donaldson 22.9 (have to figure barring injury, he’s on this list next year)
Oops, Beltre is on there already. My bad
More Trout fun – his best 3 year stretch is 28.8 WAR which slots in well above a lot of very good player’s best 4 year peaks.
Trout good. . . .
I had to look up Posey there. I could have sworn that number was low. He’s probably in the Molina camp of players that are getting severely underrated by WAR.
2009-2013?
That’s a 5-year stretch, which is the reason he narrowly missed the cut.
Also, Ted Williams did not play when he was 2 years old, just for reference.
I have killed people for less than the disrespect you have shown me. 40+ WAR should be good enough.
1920 and later Ty.
And if we use that restriction, you’d also lose your crown for the Best Player/Worst Human Being ratio. Probably to Chuck Knoblauch.
Educate yourself on how Al Stump willfully destroyed Cobbs reputation (after his death) by rewriting history for his own personal gain before judging Cobb on what you think you know of the man.
A further comment on Cobb. He played for the same team his whole career(till he was 40), which implies to me that he couldn’t have been as nasty as his later rep seems to indicate. Recall that Hornsby was such a pain in the as* his teams were willing to forego his admittedly superb talents instead of dealing with it. The same would have happened to Cobb if he really was as bad a character as Stump would have us believe.
Cobb finished his career with the Philadelphia A’s.
Andruw Jones’s defensive value is mind-boggling. I know those numbers are less reliable, but still. Wow.
I guess being a center fielder in the steroids era gave you a lot of work to do.
If you run this for 5-season peaks and give Trout *0* WAR for his fifth year, how would he do? That is, how high does he place if he spots the league a whole season?
If you give him credit for the fifth year he technically appeared in (0.7 WAR during his initial cup of coffee) he ranks 22nd all-time, between Ernie Banks and Duke Snider
“the inevitable darkness that is Father Time”
August, are you a cross between Jeff and Cistulli?
our favorite athletes getting old is scary and sad
Seeing some of the numbers the “older guys” put up makes me feel a lot better about myself at 31. “Just look at was Mays did” I say “there’s hope for you yet!”
Yeah, and you’ll still hold out hope for making it on the Senior Tour until you actually turn 50.
At age 24, Mike Trout already has the 80th highest career WAR of any position players between 1990 and 2015.
He was born in 1991.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=1990&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=&page=3_30
Anyone else alarmed at seeing the age 36-39 as the 2nd best stretch in the history of game?
The Baseball Writers Association of America is so alarmed.
I’ve done my research on this, and steroids are one hell of a drug…
A few highlights from the pre-1920 guys
Eddie Collins: 1909-12 .345/.424/.445 161 wRC+ 34.8 WAR
Ty Cobb: 1909-12 .398/.452/.569 192 wRC+ 40.2 WAR
Honus Wagner: 1905-08 .352/.417/.506 176 wRC+ 41.4 WAR
Cobb does have a four year peak where he hit .402, but this one is somehow better.
Unrelated but important anyway
Yuniesky Betancourt: 2009-13 .243/.269/.378 70 wRC+ -5.1 WAR
Royals record with Yuni on their roster: 167-234 (.416)
Royals record after dumping Yuni for good: 270-216 (.556)
Good article. However, I’ve never understood the obsession of using only regular-season performance when looking at the HoF and peaks. Shouldn’t postseason play not only be taken into account, but weighted more heavily? The point of the game isn’t to accumulate statistics, it’s to win the championship.
wrong site
I’d never thought about that! We really should judge players based on who is pitching for their team, and their teammates abilities to field and hit! And whether or not 87 or 92 or 95 wins in that particular season was enough to “earn” a playoff bid! And whether or not they played particularly well over a 3 to 20 game stretch if their team did make the playoffs! All good points, Joe!
You know what I would actually like is to see this same chart but with pitchers included.
Including postseason would be fine because those are real games that happened. Weighting them heavily somewhat distorts the purpose of the chart, as the pure ability of a player is not the same thing as the player’s WS win probability contribution.
Babe does even better if 1920 used instead of 1924.
I remember when an article about me would be getting DOUBLE the comments of some Dusty Baker article.
Sigh.
What a table. Great data, so fun to play around with.
One thing that sticks out is the bottom cut-off: averaging 6.2 WAR for four consecutive years = top 100 four-year peaks in the last 95 years of baseball.
I think intuitively I would’ve thought it was higher than that. A reminder of just how great, and unusual, any 6+ WAR season really is.
I think a whole lot of players have had 6+ WAR seasons. Steve Pearce had one last year. To me, what this drives home is not how good a 6+ WAR season is, but how great a player has to be to maintain a peak like that, compared to a player that somewhat flukes into one.
Andrew Mccutchen’s peak shoukd actually be 2012-2015 instead of 2011-2014. He had 5.5 WAR in 2011 but 5.8 WAR in 2015.
Not when you fold in rWAR too
The Big Hurt in the early 90’s: Wow. Knew he was a great player; didn’t know his 4 year peak placed him in such high company. Thanks for the great article, August.
Agreed – especially after you notice he has the 2nd-worst defensive value out of the entire group (not to mention little benefit from BsR). Simply as a hitter, he was incredibly awesome.
The HOF column entry for Barry Bonds should have “LOL” in it.
Or something like “XXX”.
4 guys have BsRs > 33.0. Raines, Henderson, Utley, and Joe Morgan. 3 of those guys averaged 60-70 SBs/year. Utley averaged 15.
Utley led the league in double plays broken up, though. Maybe in legs broken up, too.
You can actually add a 5th year to Hornsby’s stretch (1925) and he STILL hit .402. Only hit .370 in 1920, which lowers his 6 year stretch to “only” .397.
I remembered Bill James writing about how Sportsman’s Park inflated Hornsby’s statistics with the Cardinals, so I looked up his home/road splits for that 5-year stretch from 1921-1925. Here are his batting averages:
Home: .375, .403, .402, .469, .478
Road: .419, .400, .373, .370, .332
For good measure, with Boston in 1928, playing home games at Braves Field with its park factor of 95 (a tough place to hit, 100 is average), he hit .372 at home and .401 on the road.
I had forgotten what a great all-around player George Foster was with the Reds. Great bat and great glove, good baserunner even
RIP Grady Sizemore’s hall of fame career track. Nomar’s too.
Ozzie’s OBP was higher than his SLG. That’s impressive.
This is dumb. Nothing but Trout and A’s talk on this site. I would take Posey any day over Trout, simply because he is the best offensive and defensive player at a more demanding position.
Oh shut the front door.
Thank you Guy Fieri
It’s a shame the Angels put the kibosh on Trout stealing bases after 2013. I mean, I get that stolen bases aren’t super important to being a really valuable player (Willie Stargell certainly didn’t need them to get on this list), but after his rookie season, the thought of a 40+ HR, 50+ SB, centerfielder, who was a top 5 hitter was titillating. He’s proven he’s got the HR and hitting down, and any sophmoric fears about him maybe not sticking at centerfield have been allayed. I just wish the SBs were still there, too.
Anyhow, this is a fantastic article, and that chart is so much fun. For my part, ever since Trout’s rookie campaign, I’ve made it a point to not let any moment of this young man’s career go by without notice. And for the very reason you state here; should everything shake out right for him (he stays healthy and keeps his nose to the grind), I want to look back on his entire career and be able to say “I watched that unfold! I saw that in real time!!”
He’s a gift to the sport and we’re lucky to be able to watch him!
It must have been nice to be a Reds fan in 72-76 with Bench/Rose/Morgan all in their career peaks at the same time. I seem to remember reading that this was a good team in those years.
Cardinals got two years of peak Rolen/Edmonds/Pujols in 2003-04 (or at least Pujols would qualify for the chart if his later stretch wasn’t even better). I don’t recall how they managed to win only 85 games in 2003, but I guess it must have been uglier than the 2006 regular season when they won 86 to back into the playoffs? Most likely I’ve blocked a portion of those memories out.
My favorite MV3 stat is that Rolen/Pujols/Edmonds combined for 25 WAR in 2004. And had they not made the Drew/Waino trade then Drew and other 3 would have combined for nearly 34 WAR.
Everybody was hurt in ’03, they didn’t field a full roster until September.
This table was a lot of fun to look at. Great comments at the bottom, also.
There is also this:
fWAR through age 23
Trout 38.5
Williams 36.4
Cobb 36.2
Ott 33.2
Mantle 29.5
Griffey 28.1
Vaughan 26.9
Jackson 26.9
Matthews 26.7
Kaline 26.1
rWAR through age 23
Trout 37.9
Cobb 36.0
Williams 34.2
Ott 31.4
Griffey 30.1
Mantle 29.7
Arod 27.7
Kaline 27.5
Vaughan 26.7Z
Hornsby 26.5
How about Bonds .559 four year OBP?
I can never quite wrap my head around Jason Giambi being as good as he was for that stretch. But damn was he an offensive force.
So I’m looking at your first link to the 23-and-under 9+ WAR players, and see Ted Williams with a couple of 11+ seasons. Then I look at your table of the best 4-years runs, and up there is Ted Williams’ age 27-30 seasons. Then I remember about the war, and not for the first time I think
HOLY. FREAKING. CRAP.
Speaking of what might have been…
Williams’ WAR for the 1942-1946 period was 23.4, which would just have missed the cutoff. Not bad for two years, interrupted by 3 years of shooting down countless Nazi bombers.
Ted didn’t actually see any combat time in WWII. He was a flight instructor in Hawaii. It was Korea where he saw active duty, and was John Glenn’s wingman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Williams#Military_service
This Willie Mays guy had his peak from age 31 to 34. Wonder if he was juicing.
It’s possible. Probably amphetamines though.
Also, excellent username.
Mays best four year stretch is listed, he also had two other separate four year WAR marks of 35.5 and 36.2. If you use WAR as the measure for MVP, Mays would have won nine times. He also led all of baseball in WAR 8 times. Trout is good but he is not Willie Mays yet.
Only one other player had their peak from 20-23: Al Kaline.
Only two others had peaks from 21-24: Andruw Jones (seriously, that defense) and Eddie Mathews (it’s easy to forget how good he was).
I had a paper route in 1955-1956, which gave me earliest access to the most vital information of the day – what Mantle did the night before (It was usually a lot) – won a sales contest the Free Press ran and 30 of us went to a game when the Yankees were in town – Highlight of my childhood. I know there have been better ballplayers than the Mick – but none who looked so awesome while playing – and now this guy.
How many players would have multiple 4 year peaks that would fill this list that are separated?
Like Bonds 90-93 and Ruth 26-29 for example
Agree, see my comment on Willie Mays above.
It’s kind of crazy how much later in life Bonds had this peak. 4 years older than anyone else.
In the summer of 2001, I was 17, turning 18. And I grew up a huge Cardinals fan. Growing up rooting for Ozzie.
Than the 90’s weren’t very fun….until McGwire. And that hangover didn’t even hit and then along came Pujols.
I remember objectively saying that he would regress in 2002, that he caught the league by surprise and he would settle in as some .280 hitter with 25 home runs a year, which was fantastic considering what was expected of him.
And then Pujols proceeded to hit the repeat button for 10 years…..10 very awesome years as a Cardinal fan for me. I can say I appreciated his career with us (and the two rings). I was very aware by 2003 that he was elite and special and heading for all-time greatness.
I was blessed to have that at an early age for my favorite team…and like Trout, it sort of came out of nowhere. I think I am appreciating Trout and Harper, but from afar. I’ve seen both play in person, I understand their greatness. I hope one of them can smash 200 career WAR and be the best to ever play the game. Baseball is such an easy sport to love.
Looking at the “Age” column of that table it’s clear one thing is definitely not like the others.
Mike Trout now has the 14th highest career wins above average* this century. He passed the following players in 2015:
Joe Mauer
Ian Kinsler
Troy Tulowitzki
Mark Teixeira
Dustin Pedroia
Lance Berkman
Trout is the only player under 30 in the top 20.
*per Baseball Reference
More fuel for why it is a total disgrace Dick Allen & Jeff Bagwell are not in the HOF…
Plus, hopefully with the better appreciation these days for OBP, OPS+ & defense – Bobby Grich gets consideration from Veterans Committee one day…
What do Rose, Sosa, DiMaggio, and Edmonds all have in common?
They were worse baserunners during their peaks than Mark McGwire.
Note that “Chuck Knoblauch at his worst” is pretty, pretty terrible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Knoblauch#Legal_troubles
Mike Trout: The Eternal Decline
If Utley doesn’t get into the Hall, it’ll be a god damn shame.
Going to look even better after the year-five update.
Frank Thomas with 9th-best 4-yr offensive peak in history, and was the top 4-yr stretch between ’58 and juiced-up Bonds.