History, Peaks, and Mike Trout: The Year Four Update

We’ve gone exactly one day without baseball, so it’s probably time to write another post about Mike Trout.

The framing device I used the first time I wrote this post was LeBron James. I’m a Cavaliers fan, and when I’d written the post, LeBron James played for the Miami Heat and I didn’t think I’d ever see him play for Cleveland again. When LeBron first left for Miami, I was sad, of course, but the initial sadness was simply “my favorite team is bad again.” The later sadness, the sadness that stuck, was the crippling fear that I’d taken James’ time in Cleveland, his truly historic time, for granted. That I hadn’t appreciated him enough. That I’d gotten too used to how incredible he was, rather than being thankful each and every day that he existed, and that I could watch him do the things he does, feeling pride that he represented my city. The thing about realizing you took something special for granted is, you almost never get another chance to re-do it. I got lucky with LeBron.

Mike Trout just posted another nine-win season, and he’s likely to finish as runner-up MVP yet again. Another indisputably historic season that won’t be recognized as such at year’s end. It’s not anyone’s fault, really. The first year, Miguel Cabrera won a freaking Triple Crown. The next year, he had an even better season. Then Trout had his “worst” year yet and finally got his MVP. This year, Josh Donaldson will absolutely deserve the MVP he most likely wins. More than one person can, and usually does, deserve it, after all.

It feels like Bryce Harper helped take some of the shine away from Trout this season. Perhaps rightfully so. But there should be enough shine to go around for the both of them. Not to say Trout goes unappreciated. Fans of the game recognize that he’s special. They recognize Harper is special. But do we appreciate them enough? Is it possible to appreciate them enough? Baseball hasn’t seen a pairing like Trout and Harper since Mays and Mantle in the mid-50’s and, no, that’s not an exaggeration. Maybe I’m overstating it, but I guess I’m just terrified that, down the road, once the inevitable darkness that is Father Time has shown up and done his bidding on Trout and Harper, that too many people will look back at what we once had the same way I’d looked back on LeBron before I was lucky enough to be given a second chance. Wondering why they didn’t go to more games, wondering why they took something so special for granted. See Mike Trout play as often as you can. Watch a few Angels games on television, even if you’re not a fan. Drive an hour or two to a ballpark, if you have to.

One of the great things about modern baseball statistics is the ability to compare across generations. It’s what makes wRC+ so invaluable. Fifty percent better than league average will always be fifty percent better than league average. Nine Wins Above Replacement now is worth the same as Nine Wins Above Replacement in 1940. The greats of years past have a legacy. The players of our age don’t yet have that and, on the fly, it can be hard to contextualize what the accomplishments of today’s players mean. Where they stand in the bigger picture, and what their eventual legacy may become.

Mike Trout has now played four full seasons, and he’s accumulated more than 37 WAR. Only nine players in Major League history have done that in any four-year stretch. Trout’s done it to begin a career. Trout’s already been one of the greatest players the game has ever seen. He might go on to be more than that.

The table that follows these words is about more than Mike Trout, though. It’s about the most special players in baseball history, none of which should be taken for granted. It’s about learning something new of the game you love and the great players who paved the way for the ones we have today. It’s about gaining a sense of context, to allow you to better appreciate what’s before us now. We should cherish the present. Just as important, we should never forget the past.

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The columns in this table are all sortable, and there’s so many fun little nuggets within it, so please, play around with it. I promise you’ll learn something new. After the jump, I’ll share some assorted notes that I find interesting. I encourage you to do the same in the comments.

The Top 100 Four-Year Hitter Peaks, 1920-Present
Name Years Age AVG OBP SLG wRC+ HR SB BsR Def tWAR HOF?
Babe Ruth 1921-24 26-29 .369 .506 .761 213 181 45 -5.1 15.2 46.4 X
Barry Bonds 2001-04 36-39 .349 .559 .809 232 209 35 0.5 -12.7 45.0
Willie Mays 1962-65 31-34 .308 .386 .612 174 186 54 6.0 63.8 42.5 X
Mickey Mantle 1955-58 23-26 .331 .462 .643 196 165 52 9.5 7.6 41.1 X
Rogers Hornsby 1921-24 25-28 .402 .471 .674 199 105 38 -3.8 21.0 40.5 X
Ted Williams 1946-49 27-30 .349 .496 .642 198 138 5 -1.1 -22.7 39.5 X
Lou Gehrig 1927-30 24-27 .357 .461 .681 190 150 30 -12.2 -18.7 38.8 X
Joe Morgan 1973-76 29-32 .307 .435 .516 169 92 252 33.3 41.4 38.5 X
Jimmie Foxx 1932-35 24-27 .350 .457 .687 183 186 22 -3.1 -5.4 37.8 X
Mike Trout 2012-15 20-23 .308 .403 .568 171 134 109 31.7 10.0 37.6
Carl Yastrzemski 1967-70 27-30 .302 .414 .554 169 147 61 0.6 35.3 36.5 X
Alex Rodriguez 2000-03 24-27 .308 .401 .613 157 197 59 12.5 58.5 36.1
Stan Musial 1948-51 27-30 .354 .444 .635 182 135 19 1.7 -15.6 36.1 X
Ron Santo 1964-67 24-27 .302 .395 .531 155 124 11 -2.2 50.9 34.8 X
Mike Schmidt 1974-77 24-27 .267 .383 .541 151 150 81 1.4 79.6 34.5 X
Albert Pujols 2006-09 26-29 .335 .441 .637 173 165 32 -1.9 3.2 34.5
Jackie Robinson 1949-52 30-33 .330 .431 .506 152 68 98 14.7 62.3 34.2 X
Wade Boggs 1985-88 27-30 .364 .460 .508 162 45 5 -5.0 29.2 33.8 X
Hank Aaron 1960-63 26-29 .315 .379 .591 162 163 83 6.1 13.9 33.7 X
Duke Snider 1953-56 26-29 .320 .415 .626 164 167 34 -0.5 21.4 33.1 X
Ernie Banks 1957-60 26-29 .293 .362 .586 145 176 15 -1.8 70.0 32.8 X
Joe DiMaggio 1939-42 24-27 .346 .420 .603 167 112 12 -1.3 22.9 31.4 X
Chase Utley 2006-09 27-30 .303 .391 .533 138 118 61 34.5 59.5 31.3
Charlie Gehringer 1934-37 31-34 .352 .437 .524 142 59 37 -1.7 55.5 30.9 X
Tris Speaker^ 1920-23 32-35 .377 .467 .578 168 39 28 1.6 -1.2 30.6 X
Mel Ott 1935-38 26-29 .318 .419 .564 163 130 20 2.6 -2.0 30.6 X
Arky Vaughan 1933-36 21-24 .340 .440 .515 162 49 23 3.4 27.7 30.6 VC
Roberto Clemente 1966-69 31-34 .328 .381 .530 155 89 22 1.7 25.7 30.6 X
Cal Ripken Jr. 1983-86 22-25 .297 .362 .490 135 105 8 -2.8 85.5 30.5 X
Rod Carew 1974-77 28-31 .361 .425 .494 158 40 145 6.8 2.2 30.3 X
Ken Griffey Jr. 1996-99 26-29 .294 .381 .615 146 209 75 7.4 37.9 30.3
George Brett 1977-80 24-27 .329 .384 .553 151 78 69 0.5 58.7 30.2 X
Gary Carter 1982-85 28-31 .285 .362 .482 137 105 6 -2.7 90.0 29.5 X
Jeff Bagwell 1996-99 28-31 .302 .439 .578 166 150 101 4.6 -20.3 29.5
Eddie Mathews 1953-56 21-24 .288 .403 .587 161 165 20 2.0 13.5 29.4 X
Rickey Henderson 1987-90 28-31 .299 .416 .462 150 63 276 35.9 28.1 29.4 X
Jason Giambi 1999-02 28-31 .326 .452 .612 175 155 7 -4.9 -54.5 29.3
Joe Cronin 1930-33 23-26 .319 .401 .482 130 36 39 -5.4 91.2 28.6 X
Hank Greenberg 1937-40 26-29 .327 .432 .662 162 172 29 -1.7 -22.6 28.5 X
Johnny Mize 1937-40 24-27 .341 .424 .618 176 123 9 0.5 -32.5 28.4 VC
Johnny Bench 1972-75 24-27 .272 .361 .499 138 126 26 1.8 67.6 28.3 X
Robin Yount 1980-83 24-27 .304 .353 .515 141 79 50 4.3 56.0 28.3 X
Todd Helton 2000-03 26-29 .349 .446 .648 157 154 17 -2.4 -11.3 28.3
Bobby Grich 1973-76 24-27 .260 .378 .409 135 57 62 -0.5 69.7 28.1
Dick Allen 1964-67 22-25 .311 .388 .559 163 112 48 4.1 -21.3 28.0
Al Simmons 1928-31 26-29 .372 .415 .641 164 107 17 -2.2 10.8 27.8 X
Frank Robinson 1961-64 25-28 .310 .401 .561 155 126 89 8.0 -12.7 27.8 X
Andre Dawson 1980-83 25-28 .303 .350 .518 140 96 124 11.3 53.0 27.8 X
Sammy Sosa 1998-01 29-32 .310 .396 .662 160 243 32 -3.8 -23.1 27.7
Nomar Garciaparra 1997-00 23-26 .337 .386 .577 142 113 53 2.0 52.3 27.6
Harry Heilmann 1922-25 27-30 .375 .450 .581 164 62 36 4.7 -25.2 27.5 X
Ralph Kiner 1947-50 24-27 .290 .412 .605 161 192 10 1.2 -26.2 27.5 X
Mike Piazza 1995-98 26-29 .343 .411 .594 167 140 7 -0.7 17.3 27.4
Miguel Cabrera 2010-13 27-30 .337 .425 .612 176 156 12 -20.8 -56.2 27.4
Andrew McCutchen 2011-14 24-27 .304 .394 .515 153 100 88 13.6 -0.2 27.4
Robinson Cano 2010-13 27-30 .312 .373 .533 142 117 21 -5.9 15.7 27.4
Craig Biggio 1995-98 29-32 .306 .403 .476 141 79 155 16.2 19.2 27.2 X
Frank Thomas 1991-94 23-26 .326 .449 .596 181 135 13 -1.6 -68.7 27.0 X
Andruw Jones 1998-01 21-24 .276 .342 .501 113 127 83 5.0 132.7 27.0
Evan Longoria 2008-11 22-25 .274 .360 .515 134 113 34 8.0 70.2 27.0
Ryne Sandberg 1989-92 29-32 .298 .365 .513 142 122 79 4.9 23.2 26.9 X
Joe Gordon 1940-43 25-28 .281 .367 .471 129 89 44 -4.4 84.8 26.8 VC
Willie McCovey 1967-70 29-32 .295 .415 .587 174 151 7 0.4 -44.3 26.6 X
Scott Rolen 2001-04 26-29 .288 .381 .530 137 118 41 2.3 70.6 26.6
Ken Boyer 1958-61 27-30 .313 .378 .525 133 107 37 -0.3 53.0 26.5
Frankie Frisch 1921-24 22-25 .337 .388 .471 129 32 131 11.4 76.3 26.5 X
Tim Raines 1984-87 24-27 .323 .409 .477 146 46 265 39.1 -13.7 26.4
Bill Terry 1929-32 30-33 .368 .412 .563 149 74 30 5.3 5.6 26.4 X
Charlie Keller 1940-43 23-26 .287 .410 .543 157 111 35 0.5 0.5 26.4
Jim Edmonds 2001-04 31-34 .298 .409 .596 157 139 18 -0.8 33.5 26.4
Joe Medwick 1935-38 23-26 .350 .383 .581 152 90 14 1.7 -8.5 26.1 X
Chipper Jones 1998-01 26-29 .318 .419 .587 154 153 64 1.3 -12.9 26.0
Ben Zobrist 2009-12 28-31 .268 .369 .458 129 77 74 11.7 48.1 26.0
Lou Boudreau 1945-48 27-30 .317 .394 .449 137 31 10 -4.0 78.1 25.9 X
Goose Goslin 1925-28 24-27 .336 .402 .534 140 83 82 4.3 2.7 25.8 VC
Al Kaline 1955-58 20-23 .316 .381 .512 137 93 31 -0.6 40.4 25.8 X
Grady Sizemore 2005-08 22-25 .281 .372 .496 129 107 115 31.8 37.4 25.8
Hack Wilson 1927-30 27-30 .334 .422 .629 159 156 23 3.4 -26.8 25.7 VC
Mark McGwire 1996-99 32-35 .290 .437 .704 181 245 4 0.7 -72.6 25.7
Willie Stargell 1971-74 31-34 .297 .393 .593 172 150 1 -0.4 -28.1 25.6 X
Chuck Klein 1930-33 25-28 .360 .415 .631 160 137 46 8.7 -45.8 25.5 VC
Pete Rose 1973-76 32-35 .316 .399 .427 136 25 21 -1.8 20.7 25.4
Joey Votto 2010-13 26-29 .317 .434 .544 164 104 35 -5.7 -27.5 25.4
Sal Bando 1969-72 25-28 .263 .382 .435 138 90 13 -5.0 38.1 25.4
Tony Gwynn 1984-87 24-27 .341 .400 .457 139 32 140 7.1 15.2 25.4 X
Brooks Robinson 1964-67 27-30 .288 .345 .461 129 91 7 0.1 76.4 25.3 X
Chuck Knoblauch 1994-97 25-28 .319 .413 .468 129 38 188 16.1 47.2 25.3
Ivan Rodriguez 1996-99 24-27 .316 .354 .506 114 95 46 2.3 116.2 25.2
George Foster 1976-79 27-30 .303 .372 .569 155 151 27 0.9 3.7 25.1
Cesar Cedeno 1972-75 21-24 .299 .366 .494 143 86 218 18.0 8.2 25.0
Ken Williams 1921-24 31-34 .341 .426 .591 154 110 95 -2.3 -4.5 25.0
Adrian Beltre 2010-13 31-34 .314 .358 .545 138 126 5 -5.9 33.3 25.0
Edgar Martinez 1995-98 32-35 .333 .456 .584 166 112 10 -3.2 -64.8 24.9
Ryan Braun 2009-12 25-28 .318 .385 .560 153 131 97 19.9 -50.8 24.9
David Wright 2005-08 22-25 .311 .394 .534 142 116 86 13.2 9.6 24.9
Don Mattingly 1984-87 23-26 .337 .381 .560 152 119 4 -2.7 -21.9 24.8
Larry Doby 1950-53 26-29 .290 .409 .522 152 106 20 0.9 9.6 24.8 VC
Reggie Jackson 1972-75 26-29 .274 .363 .508 152 122 73 4.3 -3.1 24.8 X
Ozzie Smith 1986-89 31-34 .282 .364 .354 105 5 160 17.9 112.8 24.8 X
Eddie Murray 1982-85 26-29 .306 .394 .529 150 125 27 2.2 -11.1 24.7 X
tWAR = 50/50 blend of FanGraphs WAR and Baseball-Reference WAR
^actual four-year peak included pre-1920 seasons
  • In Mike Trout’s first four full seasons, he’s had peak Willie Mays’ batting average, peak Tony Gwynn’s on-base percentage, peak Mel Ott’s slugging percentage, peak Albert Pujols’ wRC+, more homers than peak Stan Musial and more steals than peak Jackie Robinson.
  • Barry Bonds had a four-year stretch where his slugging percentage started with an 8.
  • The Hall of Fame peaks that never were: Bobby Grich, Dick Allen, Ken Boyer, Charlie Keller, Sal Bando, George Foster, Ken Williams and Donnie Baseball.
  • Position player Hall of Famers elected by the BBWAA without top-100 peaks: Pie Traynor, Gabby Hartnett, Mickey Cochrane, Paul Waner, Bill Dickey, Luke Appling, Yogi Berra, Roy Campanella, Harmon Killebrew, Luis Aparicio, Billy Williams, Lou Brock, Tony Perez, Carlton Fisk, Dave Winfield, Jim Rice, Paul Molitor, Kirby Puckett, Barry Larkin, Roberto Alomar
  • Chase Utley’s peak is comparable to Ernie Banks and Jackie Robinson. Get the man in the Hall of Fame.
  • Ozzie Smith hit five home runs in four years and had a top-100 four-year peak
  • Eras be damned, Rogers Hornsby hit .400 over a four-year stretch
  • The only players in this table with 3+ WAR of both baserunning and defensive value are: Joe Morgan, Chase Utley and… Grady Sizemore. What could have been 🙁
  • On a similar note, the only players in this table with at least 100 homers and 100 steals are: Trout, Sizemore and… Jeff Bagwell. Speaking of guys who need to be in the Hall of Fame.
  • Good lord, Andruw Jones’ defense
  • There’s something I love about Miggy, McCutchen and Cano having the exact same peak WAR
  • Ben Zobrist was the most valuable player in baseball between 2009-12
  • Chuck Knoblauch, at his best, was better than a lot of people probably give him credit for. Chuck Knoblauch, at his worst, is probably the reason why.





August used to cover the Indians for MLB and ohio.com, but now he's here and thinks writing these in the third person is weird. So you can reach me on Twitter @AugustFG_ or e-mail at august.fagerstrom@fangraphs.com.

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Billy Corman
10 years ago

I took in as much Albert Pujols in those first 10 years as possible. He made me understand why New Yorkers adored Mickey Mantle. Pujols absolutely reinvigorated my love of baseball.

bmarkham
10 years ago
Reply to  Billy Corman

Same here. Didn’t watch too much Bonds who was even better, but got to see a lot of Pujols. The man could turn absolutely any pitch into a 400+ ft blast. Unbelievable plate coverage.

olethros
10 years ago
Reply to  Billy Corman

Same here. I’ve followed him since his days in A ball two blocks from the office where I sit typing these words. He absolutely eviscerated the Midwest League and promptly began doing the same to MLB the next year. Amazing.

And I’m still glad the Cardinals didn’t sign him to a 10 year deal.

I don't care what anyone
10 years ago

Is it just me, or is this the quietest 9 WAR season in memory?

Couldn't Have Said It Better Myself But I Will Try Anyway
10 years ago

We, especially Angels fans like myself, have been spoiled by Trout. Any time he posts a single digit WAR it feels like a letdown.

Andy
10 years ago

Is it just me, or do others realize that Trout, who was probably playing hurt, could have taken off all of August and ended up with the same WAR, 40 HR, and much higher rate stats?

Catoblepas
10 years ago

Dang, that list is a lot of fun to look through. I’m glad to know it wasn’t just me being a child that made Nomar Garciaparra seem so good in the late 90s.

Marc Hoff
10 years ago
Reply to  Catoblepas

He was way better than Jeetah.

Ian Collins
10 years ago
Reply to  Marc Hoff

A better peak does not indicate a better player, while garciaparra had an amazing peak in terms of war, he is 403rd in career war, compared to jeters 88th. So yeah he was a better player for a short while, but jeter was the more consistently good player.

Farva
10 years ago
Reply to  Ian Collins

Thanks Yankees fan….. that info was so hard to come by. You’ve enlightened us all.

Cool Lester Smooth
10 years ago
Reply to  Ian Collins

Especially when said player’s career was derailed by catastrophic joint and ligament problems that started popping up immediately after he was featured on SI for being insanely ripped.

GoOppo
10 years ago
Reply to  Ian Collins

Didn’t he lose a year to a Clemens fastball too? You say that as though Jeter wasn’t ever ripped lol at Yankee fans\Redsox haters. Always enlighten the comments sections

tz
10 years ago
Reply to  Marc Hoff

Lol at “Jeetah”

Anon
10 years ago

Just focusing on the top of the list, I am always amazed at just how good ROn Santo was. It’s one of those things – I know he was good and I’ve looked at his numbers before but it just always seems like you look at his numbers and say, “Wow, that guy was really good!” even though you knew beforehand he was really good.

tz
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Especially when you consider how tough it was to either hit .300 or get 30 HRs in a season during the 60’s. Santo did both in the same year three times, while playing a great 3B.

The Adrian Beltre of his era, right down to his toughness. Should have been a no-brainer HOF selection.

olethros
10 years ago
Reply to  tz

Yeah, one of the all time inexplicable HoF snubs. I remember sitting with my cubs fan buddy around 2002 and playing with BBREF comparing Santo to all other HoF 3B and he was better than all of them in at least a couple of categories.

a eskpert
10 years ago

Barry Bonds’s 4 year peak ISO was 46 points higher than Mark Mcgwire’s.

villapalomares
10 years ago
Reply to  a eskpert

During Bonds’ peak years, no matter what I was doing around the house, my wife would yell out “Bonds is up!” because she knew I wanted to see his at bats. (We’re in the Giants TV territory.)

Jack Strawb
10 years ago
Reply to  a eskpert

Well, Barry did have better drugs.

ThomasMember since 2025
10 years ago

Great article thanks.

If players were not limited to their best 4 year stretch how many players actually comprise the top 100 four year peaks? Such a list might further underscore how great Trout has been.

a eskpert
10 years ago

Could you add in other 4 year peaks that don’t cross over these? Like Barry Bonds 1990-1993?

Babe Ruth
10 years ago
Reply to  a eskpert

Or other 4 year peaks that do cross over?

Stinky Pete
10 years ago
Reply to  a eskpert

I would love to see a comparison of “first peak” Bonds versus “second peak” Bonds from the chart above. While FPBonds was a true five tool guy, SPBonds was nearly immobile. I was highly amused that Ruth not only stole more bases than SPBonds but was a much better fielder as well.

Barry has a new huge head
10 years ago

No its not insane it was the use of steriods. Pretty simple but hey its all about the glory and money.

a eskpert
10 years ago

The point is nobody else did anything like that, and lots of other people did steroids (not just 3 or 4 guys).

TKDC
10 years ago

It would be fascinating to run other all time great players through the “Barry Bonds treatment” and see how they turn out. What we are left with is Bonds and a bunch of guys who either were likely using PED all along and/or were not nearly as good to start with. Assuming Bonds did begin roiding late, it would also be fascinating to see what would have been had he started roiding much earlier. Maybe it would have prevented him from being so good into his late 30s; or perhaps he’d have been better, if that’s even possible???

But the bottom line to me is that Bonds career arc is not really “insane.” It’s monumentally impressive despite his use of PED, but it isn’t something that would be difficult to conceive given all the other evidence in the steroid era.

Captain Obvious
10 years ago
Reply to  Stinky Pete

Please don’t look at SB as a representation of a guy being slow on the bases. SPBonds still had a higher BSR than Ruth in th chart.

Cool Lester Smooth
10 years ago

Does “SP” stand for “Second Peak” or “Super Powered.”

Either applies, after all.

tz
10 years ago

Lou Boudreau’s WAR trend over 1945-1948:

3.7, 3.9, 7.3, 10.9

His strikeout trend over those same years:

20, 14, 10, 9

Jack Strawb
10 years ago
Reply to  tz

Yup. Once he was able to cut down on the K’s, his game really took off.

Anon
10 years ago

BTW, guys with more than 15 WAR over the last 3 years who could break into this list (not counting guys already on the list – Trout, Mccutcheon, Miggy) with a big 2016:
Harper 14.9 WAR (ok, 14.9 WAR or more. . . )
Bautista 15.1
Machado 15.2
Beltre 15.3
Carlos Gomez 15.7 (Carlos Gomez?)
Carpenter 16.0
POsey 16.2 (had to double check to make sure he wasn’t already on the list)
Goldschmidt 18.0
Donaldson 22.9 (have to figure barring injury, he’s on this list next year)

Anon
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Oops, Beltre is on there already. My bad

Anon
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon

More Trout fun – his best 3 year stretch is 28.8 WAR which slots in well above a lot of very good player’s best 4 year peaks.

Trout good. . . .

BipMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Anon

I had to look up Posey there. I could have sworn that number was low. He’s probably in the Molina camp of players that are getting severely underrated by WAR.

Yuniesky Betancourt
10 years ago

2009-2013?

lesmashMember since 2017
10 years ago

That’s a 5-year stretch, which is the reason he narrowly missed the cut.

a eskpert
10 years ago

Also, Ted Williams did not play when he was 2 years old, just for reference.

TY COBB
10 years ago

I have killed people for less than the disrespect you have shown me. 40+ WAR should be good enough.

tz
10 years ago
Reply to  TY COBB

1920 and later Ty.

And if we use that restriction, you’d also lose your crown for the Best Player/Worst Human Being ratio. Probably to Chuck Knoblauch.

Dan
10 years ago
Reply to  tz

Educate yourself on how Al Stump willfully destroyed Cobbs reputation (after his death) by rewriting history for his own personal gain before judging Cobb on what you think you know of the man.

a2colin
10 years ago
Reply to  tz

A further comment on Cobb. He played for the same team his whole career(till he was 40), which implies to me that he couldn’t have been as nasty as his later rep seems to indicate. Recall that Hornsby was such a pain in the as* his teams were willing to forego his admittedly superb talents instead of dealing with it. The same would have happened to Cobb if he really was as bad a character as Stump would have us believe.

Sabertooth
10 years ago
Reply to  a2colin

Cobb finished his career with the Philadelphia A’s.

Opie Curious
10 years ago

Andruw Jones’s defensive value is mind-boggling. I know those numbers are less reliable, but still. Wow.

I guess being a center fielder in the steroids era gave you a lot of work to do.

Mark
10 years ago

If you run this for 5-season peaks and give Trout *0* WAR for his fifth year, how would he do? That is, how high does he place if he spots the league a whole season?

Well-Beered Englishman
10 years ago

“the inevitable darkness that is Father Time”

August, are you a cross between Jeff and Cistulli?

Vinny Cash
10 years ago

Seeing some of the numbers the “older guys” put up makes me feel a lot better about myself at 31. “Just look at was Mays did” I say “there’s hope for you yet!”

Joey Vincent
10 years ago
Reply to  Vinny Cash

Yeah, and you’ll still hold out hope for making it on the Senior Tour until you actually turn 50.

tz
10 years ago

At age 24, Mike Trout already has the 80th highest career WAR of any position players between 1990 and 2015.

He was born in 1991.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2015&month=0&season1=1990&ind=0&team=&rost=&age=&filter=&players=&page=3_30

Hoff
10 years ago

Anyone else alarmed at seeing the age 36-39 as the 2nd best stretch in the history of game?

Opie Curious
10 years ago
Reply to  Hoff

The Baseball Writers Association of America is so alarmed.

Mitchell Report
10 years ago
Reply to  Hoff

I’ve done my research on this, and steroids are one hell of a drug…

Jaack
10 years ago

A few highlights from the pre-1920 guys

Eddie Collins: 1909-12 .345/.424/.445 161 wRC+ 34.8 WAR
Ty Cobb: 1909-12 .398/.452/.569 192 wRC+ 40.2 WAR
Honus Wagner: 1905-08 .352/.417/.506 176 wRC+ 41.4 WAR

Cobb does have a four year peak where he hit .402, but this one is somehow better.

Unrelated but important anyway
Yuniesky Betancourt: 2009-13 .243/.269/.378 70 wRC+ -5.1 WAR

tz
10 years ago
Reply to  Jaack

Royals record with Yuni on their roster: 167-234 (.416)

Royals record after dumping Yuni for good: 270-216 (.556)

Joe
10 years ago

Good article. However, I’ve never understood the obsession of using only regular-season performance when looking at the HoF and peaks. Shouldn’t postseason play not only be taken into account, but weighted more heavily? The point of the game isn’t to accumulate statistics, it’s to win the championship.

dfives
10 years ago
Reply to  Joe

wrong site

MrManager
10 years ago
Reply to  Joe

I’d never thought about that! We really should judge players based on who is pitching for their team, and their teammates abilities to field and hit! And whether or not 87 or 92 or 95 wins in that particular season was enough to “earn” a playoff bid! And whether or not they played particularly well over a 3 to 20 game stretch if their team did make the playoffs! All good points, Joe!

BipMember since 2016
10 years ago
Reply to  Joe

You know what I would actually like is to see this same chart but with pitchers included.

Including postseason would be fine because those are real games that happened. Weighting them heavily somewhat distorts the purpose of the chart, as the pure ability of a player is not the same thing as the player’s WS win probability contribution.

Will
10 years ago

Babe does even better if 1920 used instead of 1924.

Mike Trout
10 years ago

I remember when an article about me would be getting DOUBLE the comments of some Dusty Baker article.

Sigh.

Appreciate greatness
10 years ago

What a table. Great data, so fun to play around with.

One thing that sticks out is the bottom cut-off: averaging 6.2 WAR for four consecutive years = top 100 four-year peaks in the last 95 years of baseball.

I think intuitively I would’ve thought it was higher than that. A reminder of just how great, and unusual, any 6+ WAR season really is.

BipMember since 2016
10 years ago

I think a whole lot of players have had 6+ WAR seasons. Steve Pearce had one last year. To me, what this drives home is not how good a 6+ WAR season is, but how great a player has to be to maintain a peak like that, compared to a player that somewhat flukes into one.

AC_Butcha_AC
10 years ago

Andrew Mccutchen’s peak shoukd actually be 2012-2015 instead of 2011-2014. He had 5.5 WAR in 2011 but 5.8 WAR in 2015.

Rollie's MustacheMember since 2017
10 years ago

The Big Hurt in the early 90’s: Wow. Knew he was a great player; didn’t know his 4 year peak placed him in such high company. Thanks for the great article, August.

FMelius
10 years ago

Agreed – especially after you notice he has the 2nd-worst defensive value out of the entire group (not to mention little benefit from BsR). Simply as a hitter, he was incredibly awesome.

BipMember since 2016
10 years ago

The HOF column entry for Barry Bonds should have “LOL” in it.

Or something like “XXX”.

rogue_actuaryMember since 2016
10 years ago

4 guys have BsRs > 33.0. Raines, Henderson, Utley, and Joe Morgan. 3 of those guys averaged 60-70 SBs/year. Utley averaged 15.

Andy
10 years ago
Reply to  rogue_actuary

Utley led the league in double plays broken up, though. Maybe in legs broken up, too.

Jaboon
10 years ago

You can actually add a 5th year to Hornsby’s stretch (1925) and he STILL hit .402. Only hit .370 in 1920, which lowers his 6 year stretch to “only” .397.

Jon L.
10 years ago
Reply to  Jaboon

I remembered Bill James writing about how Sportsman’s Park inflated Hornsby’s statistics with the Cardinals, so I looked up his home/road splits for that 5-year stretch from 1921-1925. Here are his batting averages:

Home: .375, .403, .402, .469, .478
Road: .419, .400, .373, .370, .332

For good measure, with Boston in 1928, playing home games at Braves Field with its park factor of 95 (a tough place to hit, 100 is average), he hit .372 at home and .401 on the road.

tz
10 years ago

I had forgotten what a great all-around player George Foster was with the Reds. Great bat and great glove, good baserunner even

AB
10 years ago

RIP Grady Sizemore’s hall of fame career track. Nomar’s too.

Pinstripe Wizard
10 years ago

Ozzie’s OBP was higher than his SLG. That’s impressive.

3 Rings!
10 years ago

This is dumb. Nothing but Trout and A’s talk on this site. I would take Posey any day over Trout, simply because he is the best offensive and defensive player at a more demanding position.

Hamba
10 years ago
Reply to  3 Rings!

Oh shut the front door.

hmk
10 years ago
Reply to  Hamba

Thank you Guy Fieri

Fatalotti
10 years ago

It’s a shame the Angels put the kibosh on Trout stealing bases after 2013. I mean, I get that stolen bases aren’t super important to being a really valuable player (Willie Stargell certainly didn’t need them to get on this list), but after his rookie season, the thought of a 40+ HR, 50+ SB, centerfielder, who was a top 5 hitter was titillating. He’s proven he’s got the HR and hitting down, and any sophmoric fears about him maybe not sticking at centerfield have been allayed. I just wish the SBs were still there, too.

Anyhow, this is a fantastic article, and that chart is so much fun. For my part, ever since Trout’s rookie campaign, I’ve made it a point to not let any moment of this young man’s career go by without notice. And for the very reason you state here; should everything shake out right for him (he stays healthy and keeps his nose to the grind), I want to look back on his entire career and be able to say “I watched that unfold! I saw that in real time!!”

He’s a gift to the sport and we’re lucky to be able to watch him!

Dan
10 years ago

It must have been nice to be a Reds fan in 72-76 with Bench/Rose/Morgan all in their career peaks at the same time. I seem to remember reading that this was a good team in those years.

Cardinals got two years of peak Rolen/Edmonds/Pujols in 2003-04 (or at least Pujols would qualify for the chart if his later stretch wasn’t even better). I don’t recall how they managed to win only 85 games in 2003, but I guess it must have been uglier than the 2006 regular season when they won 86 to back into the playoffs? Most likely I’ve blocked a portion of those memories out.

bmarkham
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan

My favorite MV3 stat is that Rolen/Pujols/Edmonds combined for 25 WAR in 2004. And had they not made the Drew/Waino trade then Drew and other 3 would have combined for nearly 34 WAR.

olethros
10 years ago
Reply to  Dan

Everybody was hurt in ’03, they didn’t field a full roster until September.

96mnc
10 years ago

This table was a lot of fun to look at. Great comments at the bottom, also.

Andy
10 years ago

There is also this:

fWAR through age 23
Trout 38.5
Williams 36.4
Cobb 36.2
Ott 33.2
Mantle 29.5
Griffey 28.1
Vaughan 26.9
Jackson 26.9
Matthews 26.7
Kaline 26.1

rWAR through age 23
Trout 37.9
Cobb 36.0
Williams 34.2
Ott 31.4
Griffey 30.1
Mantle 29.7
Arod 27.7
Kaline 27.5
Vaughan 26.7Z
Hornsby 26.5

Jim
10 years ago

How about Bonds .559 four year OBP?

Only Glove, No Love
10 years ago

I can never quite wrap my head around Jason Giambi being as good as he was for that stretch. But damn was he an offensive force.

Westside guy
10 years ago

So I’m looking at your first link to the 23-and-under 9+ WAR players, and see Ted Williams with a couple of 11+ seasons. Then I look at your table of the best 4-years runs, and up there is Ted Williams’ age 27-30 seasons. Then I remember about the war, and not for the first time I think

HOLY. FREAKING. CRAP.

Speaking of what might have been…

tz
10 years ago
Reply to  Westside guy

Williams’ WAR for the 1942-1946 period was 23.4, which would just have missed the cutoff. Not bad for two years, interrupted by 3 years of shooting down countless Nazi bombers.

War2d2
10 years ago
Reply to  tz

Ted didn’t actually see any combat time in WWII. He was a flight instructor in Hawaii. It was Korea where he saw active duty, and was John Glenn’s wingman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Williams#Military_service

Natty Bunto
10 years ago

This Willie Mays guy had his peak from age 31 to 34. Wonder if he was juicing.

olethros
10 years ago
Reply to  Natty Bunto

It’s possible. Probably amphetamines though.

Also, excellent username.

Hurtlocker
10 years ago
Reply to  Natty Bunto

Mays best four year stretch is listed, he also had two other separate four year WAR marks of 35.5 and 36.2. If you use WAR as the measure for MVP, Mays would have won nine times. He also led all of baseball in WAR 8 times. Trout is good but he is not Willie Mays yet.

Matt
10 years ago

Only one other player had their peak from 20-23: Al Kaline.
Only two others had peaks from 21-24: Andruw Jones (seriously, that defense) and Eddie Mathews (it’s easy to forget how good he was).

Michigan & Trumbull
10 years ago

I had a paper route in 1955-1956, which gave me earliest access to the most vital information of the day – what Mantle did the night before (It was usually a lot) – won a sales contest the Free Press ran and 30 of us went to a game when the Yankees were in town – Highlight of my childhood. I know there have been better ballplayers than the Mick – but none who looked so awesome while playing – and now this guy.

Jeff
10 years ago

How many players would have multiple 4 year peaks that would fill this list that are separated?

Like Bonds 90-93 and Ruth 26-29 for example

Hurtlocker
10 years ago
Reply to  Jeff

Agree, see my comment on Willie Mays above.

Jeff
10 years ago

It’s kind of crazy how much later in life Bonds had this peak. 4 years older than anyone else.

Jeff
10 years ago

In the summer of 2001, I was 17, turning 18. And I grew up a huge Cardinals fan. Growing up rooting for Ozzie.

Than the 90’s weren’t very fun….until McGwire. And that hangover didn’t even hit and then along came Pujols.

I remember objectively saying that he would regress in 2002, that he caught the league by surprise and he would settle in as some .280 hitter with 25 home runs a year, which was fantastic considering what was expected of him.

And then Pujols proceeded to hit the repeat button for 10 years…..10 very awesome years as a Cardinal fan for me. I can say I appreciated his career with us (and the two rings). I was very aware by 2003 that he was elite and special and heading for all-time greatness.

I was blessed to have that at an early age for my favorite team…and like Trout, it sort of came out of nowhere. I think I am appreciating Trout and Harper, but from afar. I’ve seen both play in person, I understand their greatness. I hope one of them can smash 200 career WAR and be the best to ever play the game. Baseball is such an easy sport to love.

He can deny all he wants
10 years ago

Looking at the “Age” column of that table it’s clear one thing is definitely not like the others.

tz
10 years ago

Mike Trout now has the 14th highest career wins above average* this century. He passed the following players in 2015:

Joe Mauer
Ian Kinsler
Troy Tulowitzki
Mark Teixeira
Dustin Pedroia
Lance Berkman

Trout is the only player under 30 in the top 20.

*per Baseball Reference

Dr. Obvious
10 years ago

More fuel for why it is a total disgrace Dick Allen & Jeff Bagwell are not in the HOF…

Plus, hopefully with the better appreciation these days for OBP, OPS+ & defense – Bobby Grich gets consideration from Veterans Committee one day…

TKDC
10 years ago

What do Rose, Sosa, DiMaggio, and Edmonds all have in common?

They were worse baserunners during their peaks than Mark McGwire.

War2d2
10 years ago

Note that “Chuck Knoblauch at his worst” is pretty, pretty terrible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Knoblauch#Legal_troubles

Blerick
10 years ago

Mike Trout: The Eternal Decline

dang
10 years ago

If Utley doesn’t get into the Hall, it’ll be a god damn shame.

Spoilt Victorian Child
10 years ago
Reply to  dang

Going to look even better after the year-five update.

ChiSports
10 years ago

Frank Thomas with 9th-best 4-yr offensive peak in history, and was the top 4-yr stretch between ’58 and juiced-up Bonds.