Looking Toward the Future, the Rockies Are Begging for the Past

Jeff Lange-USA TODAY NETWORK

Most major league baseball organizations think more or less the same way. They vary on tactics and strategy, in competency, in resources, and in culture, but for the most part everyone agrees on how to win a baseball game. This leads to some groupthink and a lot of same-y executive hires.

The Giants have bucked the trend, turning back the clock to hand the reins to an ex-player who’s long on cultural cachet and short on expertise. He, in turn, made a delightfully unorthodox choice for field manager. I look forward to seeing if these iconoclasts can hold their own.

Not to be outdone, the Colorado Rockies have gone even further off the board for their new head of baseball operations, as they are reportedly nearing a deal to hire Paul DePodesta for the position. I’ll be as blunt as I can be: It’s one of the weirdest executive hires in decades, from an organization that’s at least a full step behind its rivals to start. With all the best will in the world, unless DePodesta’s appointment heralds a complete change in organizational structure and philosophy, it is almost certainly doomed to fail.

The Rockies went 43-119 this year, and it’s not because they’re cursed, or because their home city has checked out, or because their owners don’t care. They ran a higher payroll this season than three playoff teams. They lock up their homegrown success stories, such as they are, to contract extensions rather than shipping them off the moment arbitration hits. Their record free agent signing, Kris Bryant, is on a richer deal than anything the Astros, Blue Jays, Braves, or Cardinals have ever given out on the open market.

The Rockies’ problems, unfortunately, are worse than apathy. I wrote about them in May, right after they’d fired manager Bud Black, while they were on a 28-win pace. Read it if you’d like; I’ll just quote the paragraph that diagnosed their problems:

The Rockies, it turns out, are famously insular. They like and trust Their Guys, and are loath to turn over personnel or chase the latest innovations. In almost any other industry, that quality would be benign at worst, or even laudable. But baseball is zero-sum. If you’re not advancing, you’re falling behind. And since Black last led the Rockies to the playoffs, the industry-wide rate of innovation has only exploded.

I’ll say this for Rockies owner Dick Monfort: He is finally bringing in outside help. This was not a given. DePodesta is only the fifth baseball ops chief in franchise history, and the first external hire since Dan O’Dowd in 1999. Looking outside the family is a good start, but DePodesta was far from the first choice.

The list of candidates was impressive. It included former Twins GM Thad Levine, former Astros GM James Click, Royals assistant GM Scott Sharp, Guardians assistant GM Matt Forman, and Diamondbacks assistant GM Amiel Sawdaye.

Levine, Forman, and Sharp have built, or helped to build, winning teams on middling budgets. Click won a World Series with one of the most dominant teams of the past decade, even as his boss was standing over his shoulder the whole time like the Grim Reaper. Sawdaye won three rings with the Red Sox while working his way up the ladder in the scouting department; from there, he followed Mike Hazen to Arizona, where they won the NL pennant in 2023.

If I were in the market for a guy to build a respectable ballclub from scratch, without spending $300 million a year on player salaries, I’d feel OK about hiring any of those guys.

None of them wound up with this poisoned chalice.

What of DePodesta, then? He’s more famous in baseball circles than most MLB GMs, due to his stand-in character’s presence at Billy Beane’s elbow throughout the events depicted in Moneyball. At 31, he was given the keys to the Dodgers, whom he ran for two tumultuous seasons before being fired by then-owner Frank McCourt. (Which is not inherently a strike against him, McCourt’s reputation and baseball acumen being what they were.)

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DePodesta spent the next decade working in the Padres and Mets organizations, and as the VP of player development and scouting for the latter, helped build the monster pitching staff that took New York to the 2015 pennant.

I have no doubt that DePodesta could’ve gotten another chance to run a major league team before now, but in January 2016, he made the shocking move to the Cleveland Browns of the NFL, where he spent 10 seasons as chief strategy officer.

The Browns were then as the Rockies are now; seen as irrelevant, innumerate, insular, and backward. DePodesta was given a long leash to remake the club as he saw fit. He beefed up the analytics department, stockpiled draft picks, and sought to target undervalued players, just as he had in baseball.

Before the 2019 season, my employers at the time, The Ringer, ran a themed package called “Trust the Browns’ Process Week,” based on the premise that DePodesta’s team was about to turn a corner. This editorial decision was made far above my pay grade; I don’t know a lot about the NFL, but I know better than to get over one’s skis about the Browns.

As part of this project, it was decided that I would interview DePodesta for a feature. My premise was that baseball was so far ahead of the other major sports in terms of empirics and analytical integration, a smart football (or basketball or hockey or soccer) team could get a five-year jump on its rivals by hiring the right baseball nerd with interdisciplinary skills.

“More than anything, we try to make information as accessible and actionable as possible,” DePodesta told me then. “There’s a lot of interesting stuff. There’s a lot of neat stuff, but if it’s not actionable, it just isn’t relevant, and what we’re really trying to do is support both our coaches and our personnel people in their decision-making process.”

In hindsight, what DePodesta said about team-building was reasonable enough, and while he was cagey about what specific insights he brought to the NFL, I was able to tease out that the new market inefficiency was wide receivers who’d had crappy college quarterbacks. But the Browns went 6-10 in 2019.

That is not to say DePodesta’s tenure in Cleveland was a total failure. He made the playoffs twice in 10 years, which is a lot when you consider the franchise had only made the playoffs once in 17 seasons since it was reincarnated in 1999. DePodesta’s Browns brought the franchise its first 11-win season and first win in a playoff game since 1994. (And you thought the Rockies had it bad.)

Even with those highs, DePodesta didn’t cover himself in glory in the 2020s. I said earlier that I don’t know that much about the NFL; my former colleague Rodger Sherman knows vast amounts about the NFL, and when news of DePodesta’s hiring broke, he offered the following:

still remarkable that the Deshaun Watson trade/signing backfired so completely that it's probably the worst NFL transaction of all time …


BEFORE you mention the dozens of allegations of sexual assault that the Browns knew about and ignored

— Rodger Sherman (@rodger.bsky.social) November 6, 2025 at 4:57 PM

It would’ve been troubling if DePodesta had profited from buying low on a talented player who had been revealed to be a(n alleged) serial sexual predator. But it wouldn’t have set him apart from any number of baseball executives. But DePodesta dug himself deeper into a hole when he described the team doing its due diligence on Watson around the time of the trade.

“This has been the most detailed and dogged potential acquisition of a player that I’ve ever witnessed,” DePodesta said. “I mean, now in 25-plus years across two different sports, I’ve never been a part of anything like it. As we got more and more information through all the steps that we took, all the diligence that we that we undertook, all the people we talked to and all the additional information we got and especially the perspectives we got from some of the different people involved or much more involved with him, ultimately got to the same place … where we were really comfortable with the person.”

Pro sports teams make this moral compromise more than most of us would like, because when the opportunity arises to acquire a great player on the cheap, the temptation can be great.

Except, that’s not what DePodesta did. He shipped out six draft picks, three of which were first-rounders, including one the Texans used to select future Rookie of the Year Will Anderson Jr. Watson then got a record-setting five-year, $230 million contract extension, and repaid the Browns by playing 19 games over four seasons and posting the 42nd-best passer rating out of 50 quarterbacks with at least 15 starts since 2022. This year, the Browns spent not one but two draft picks on quarterbacks, and Watson hasn’t played a snap.

I’d question the judgment of anyone who sold his soul to the devil. All the more so when he didn’t even get anything back.

Meanwhile, the franchise QB DePodesta and I talked about, Baker Mayfield, is doing just peachy with the Buccaneers. And the Browns finished 30th out of 32 teams in the most recent NFLPA survey on working conditions.

When DePodesta made the jump from baseball to football, there was plenty of reason to believe in him as an evaluator and decision-maker. He’s done quite a bit of damage to that reputation in the intervening decade.

Especially because baseball has changed so much since he’s been gone. I presume that DePodesta’s been in touch with his old buddies from his previous career, that he knows about fastball shape and swing speed in general terms. But this is a scouting and development guy whose last year working in baseball was the first year of Statcast. The learning curve is going to be so steep it might as well be vertical.

And if the Rockies were in position to ease that transition in any meaningful way, well, to be honest, they would’ve been able to hire someone like Sawdaye.

So what we have here is a team that lost 119 games this past season, with worst-in-the-league scouting, analytics, and development programs, a meddling owner, and the unique challenge of playing in a city where curveballs don’t break. And the man the organization has brought in to make up the gap to its competitors is himself 10 years behind the times, with some serious questions about his judgment emanating from his time in the NFL.

I don’t like making predictions in absolute terms; baseball is so capricious you’ll look like a fool if you use words like “never.” It’s possible that DePodesta could be the man who revolutionizes the Rockies, gives them their first extended run of competitiveness. It’s possible, but it’d take a miracle.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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Brad JohnsonMember
10 months ago

They almost have to bring in a team of Driveline (or similar org) staff just to get him up to speed.

Short of bringing in Eric Young Sr., I’m not sure they could have made a more hilarious choice. Hell, it could work, but what a joke!

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Brian ReinhartMember since 2016
10 months ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

And I thought I saw reporting that the reason DePodesta got the job is his willingness to not fire all the Monfort cronies taking up all the positions you would want to give to Driveline type staff instead?

SyndergaardengnomesMember since 2020
10 months ago
Reply to  Brian Reinhart

Even if you believe in DePodesta’s abilities and talents, there’s just no reason to believe Rockies ownership won’t meddle and interfere with him every step of the way.

If there was truly full autonomy and hands off to do the job properly, no way in hell a half dozen other guys wouldn’t passed on the opportunity do have a job that only a couple dozen other people on Earth have, regardless of the challenge involved.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 months ago
Reply to  Brad Johnson

The popcorn gif sums up how I feel right now.

David Klein
10 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

🍿

soddingjunkmailMember since 2016
10 months ago

I feel like only the Colorado Rockies could look at the Cleveland Browns and say “How can we be more like that organization?”

Jason BMember since 2017
10 months ago

Trevor Bauer signing upcoming!

raregokusMember since 2022
10 months ago
Reply to  Jason B

DePodesta doing this the day after he gets the job would be truly reprehensible and hilarious.

norcalblueMember since 2024
10 months ago
Reply to  Jason B

🤷‍♂️

And what exactly made you think of connecting Bauer to Depo.

MichaelMember since 2020
10 months ago
Reply to  norcalblue

He famously acquired an [alleged] assaulter with performance question marks for the browns in deshaun watson. Pretty 1-to-1

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
10 months ago
Reply to  Jason B

Why settle for him when you can sign former high school baseball player DeShaun Watson. Maybe he’ll bring his buddy Justin Verlander to build the youth movement.

smb11488Member since 2018
10 months ago

The Watson dialogue I think is for some reason ignoring the influence that Browns ownership played in that ordeal. I think you can question to what level it existed, but it was clearly pretty significant.

I don’t hate this hire as much as many seem to, maybe it’s because my expectations for the Rockies are so low. I honestly don’t think what happened with the Browns in an entirely different sport matters much in regards to what will happen here.

He has been out of baseball a long time, but not long enough to where he lacks contacts at the top levels to staff a front office. He also has a track record of being a forward thinker from when he was involved in baseball, an improvement for the Rockies. Experience with two absolutely atrocious owners (Haslam and McCourt) I think will also serve him well in navigating these waters. It’s fun to dunk on the Rockies, but I at least want to see the shape this takes before doing so

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
10 months ago
Reply to  smb11488

Yeah, putting aside all the off-field issues I don’t see this as a bad hire in pure organizational terms. It seems entirely likely that DePodesta can at least help the Rockies be less awful in the next few years on the field, and incrementally less backward and insular as an organization. Not that they’ll be good or cutting-edge, but incremental improvement isn’t a bad thing when you’re starting from where the Rockies are now.

PC1970Member since 2024
10 months ago

They moved from 50 years behind the times to 20 years behind.

That’s progress!

msomers13
10 months ago

The Rockies knew they had the good life, but those never seem to last

Oh, Beepy.
10 months ago
Reply to  msomers13

We didn’t need the water but we just built that good god dam!

And we carried it all so well.

Oh, Beepy.
10 months ago
Reply to  Oh, Beepy.

This is my favorite song of all time dammit Michael you f*ckin legend

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 months ago

I have to believe that the reason those other guys didn’t “get the job” is because they didn’t want it. They probably went through a couple rounds of interviews and were like “this ownership team is going to limit what I can do, and I don’t like it.” (Or ownership thought what they were proposing wasn’t in line with them.)

But if DePodesta wanted back in MLB, he probably had less concern about that. Those other guys all had stable #2 jobs where they agree with their #1.

I think the idea here is that DePodesta fills out the roster with depth so that they never have to worry about fielding a team of zeroes again, but doesn’t touch Monfort’s pet projects. It is possible he could have simply gotten the job by agreeing not to cut Kris Bryant.

The weird thing is that it could work, depending on who DePodesta hires. And it will be fun for me as a non-Rockies fan to see what kind of experiments he can cook up. It will all probably go up in flames but if so it will be a new and more interesting kind of terrible.

GoodEnoughForMeMember since 2018
10 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Passan mentioned this in some of his reporting. Multiple people said no because of how utterly behind and under-resourced the organization is.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 months ago

Was there an article on this? Would definitely read it.

GoodEnoughForMeMember since 2018
10 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He mentioned it on social media, and this isn’t the one I am thinking of, but this one mentions competitors consider the Rockies org a decade behind: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/46873894/sources-rockies-hire-depodesta-run-baseball-operations

JustinMember since 2025
10 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The notion the Rockies had to settle for their fifth or sixth choice is an indictment on how mismanaged the organization is and has been. There is incredible opportunity here: beautiful stadium, great city, devoted fans, and enough financial backing to at least field a consistent winner. The Rockies could be to that part of the country what the Braves are to the south. The term “sleeping giant” seems apropos. And if you were a baseball executive, wouldn’t the challenge of being the one to finally crack the code of Coors Field be the ultimate accomplishment?

I’m enthralled by this whole situation. If ever a franchise needed to cede control to a brain-in-a-jar, this is the one. Twenty years ago DePodesta would’ve fit the bill. Now? I have no idea what he thinks a baseball player is supposed to be in 2025. Does he even know? As it is, if all he did was sell the Monforts on his cutting edge wisdom from 2002, even that would have been new and exciting to them since they’re stuck in the 90’s.

jrp1918Member since 2020
10 months ago

He’s gonna sign Bauer isn’t he?

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
10 months ago
Reply to  jrp1918

I guess it wouldn’t be the first time that an evangelical emphasis on hiring men of “good character” like the Monforts’ turned out to be compatible with rape, but I would be surprised to see them break the gentlemen’s agreement among the 30 owners to blackball him.

jrp1918Member since 2020
10 months ago

He’s not being blackballed. He just sucks. And a player being bad at baseball has never stopped the rockies from signing someone

catmanwayne
10 months ago
Reply to  jrp1918

Bauer was a pretty good pitcher putting up solid stats for LAD when the accusations surfaced. He’s still putting up decent stats in Japan as well. Him getting booted out of MLB has more to do with his character flaws than how well he throws baseballs.

__AL
10 months ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

His 2025 was not particularly good

formerly matt wMember since 2025
10 months ago
Reply to  __AL

Even with his 2023 stats, there are not a ton of pitchers with a K rate under 25% in NPB who then succeed in MLB.

KennyMember since 2020
10 months ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

Bauer is 35, has not pitched in the Majors since 2021, had a 4.51 ERA in Japan last season and the year before that had a 3.02 ERA in a league where a 41-year old Robinson Cano hit .431 average. There is a zero-percent chance Bauer would be effective enough as a Major League starter to be worth the hassle/headaches.

catmanwayne
10 months ago
Reply to  Kenny

Nowhere did I say that I expect a comeback. That ship sailed when the first of the accusations came out. I’m just saying he didn’t suck at pitching in all 4 years since he’s been gone. Yeah, he sucks *right now*, but so do a lot of players who make it to their age 35 season.

CC AFCMember since 2016
10 months ago

Absolute clown shoes organization. I feel bad for Rockies fans who probably had a sliver of hope that their team would finally make a smart hire.

On the other hand, congratulations to all Dbacks, Padres, and Giants fans. You gotta deal with the Dodgers, but at least there will always be one team in the division you never have to worry about

airforce21oneMember since 2026
10 months ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Hold off on the congrats for the Giants fans. The jury is definitely still out on the Buster Posey era.

birchwoodtreeMember since 2024
10 months ago

I feel more optimistic about the hire than this article. Not that I expect DePodesta to win the World Series with the Rockies, but I think he seems like the hire to address one of the Rockies biggest problem. From my understanding, his role with the Browns was more involved with addressing the team’s processes rather than acting as a conventional GM and making the decisions himself (hence Andrew Berry, the team’s actual GM). I think the Rockies need someone that will take a hard look at the way they do things and look for improvement. No, DePodesta isn’t up to date on all the latest player development stuff, but I doubt most GMs in baseball are. They have teams of people who do that stuff, so it doesn’t worry me. If the Rockies ownership let him hire the people he saw fit, I’d feel even better about the hire. I don’t know if that’ll happen, though.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
10 months ago

The guy should write a book on how to fail upward in American sports. I bet he could get a handsome advance and the book would be unreadable drivel.

David Klein
10 months ago

I’d say there’s a 100% chance that Montfort just finished reading moneyball the other day and said hire one of those guys!

catmanwayne
10 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

He watched the movie and wanted to hire Jonah Hill.

Sonny LMember since 2017
10 months ago

Monfort catching up on his TBR! I’m gonna try to find his Goodreads to see what he thinks of DropCity

David Klein
10 months ago

I guess going from the second worst franchise in football to the worst in baseball isn’t even a lateral move. The guy hasn’t been in a baseball front office since 2015 and due to the Wilpons I wouldn’t even call the Alderson front office a modern front office back then as it has a bare bones analytics team. I’m not sure San Diego’s front office(where he worked after the Dodgers fired him), was modern at the time either. I mean being gone for a decade while running the Browns somehow deeper into the ground puts you so far behind it is ridiculous. I believe Montfort was talking to Adam Ottavino about the job so maybe it could have been worse? I know Adam’s smart but he’s just coming off the field.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
10 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

You know, I initially laughed pretty hard at the Ottavino reports, but I actually think he might’ve been a better choice. The guy understands the new tech-driven approach to pitching well enough that he might be able to do something interesting in Colorado, and I suspect that precisely because he’s such a recent ex-player he’s probably also smart enough to build a brain trust and deputize some of the other stuff rather than trying to go it alone.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 months ago

It just occurred to me reading this comment is that the reason he was probably hired was that he was the only one who was willing to promise he would give Ottavino a job.

I think Ottavino is an interesting longer term option but he definitely is light on experience.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
10 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

When you’re in the Rockies’ current position, it may be entirely justifiable to throw “experience” out the window. Rather than shopping from the dregs of the other organizations, take a flier on something (and someone) new.

frankMember since 2016
10 months ago

Building a strong brain trust is absolutely the best thing a Rockies’ GM should do in the near future. If he can do that, it shouldn’t matter what their record is in 2026 or 2027.

jrp1918Member since 2020
10 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

Are the Raiders the worst franchise in football?

David Klein
10 months ago
Reply to  jrp1918

Jets

SenorGato
10 months ago

100% checks out: MLB is dyyyyyyiiiiiiing to be the NFL as far as dominance over players and the docile public, and the whole state is trying to recapture the magic of yesteryear even though its gone forever

SenorGato
10 months ago
Reply to  SenorGato

Also I’ve been saying for years the current MLB is the NFL but baseball. If you follow the two leagues in a certain way the MLB’s been modeling the NFL since at least the early 2010s, and its a huge factor in the rise of split contracts, non-guarantees, 69 man rosters, shorter careers, lower earning potential…Ofc we rationalize it as everyone getting smerter but note that its only resulted in people working more for less and all while being told to be grateful for the opp

SenorGato
10 months ago
Reply to  SenorGato

And a huge one is the ongoing project to replace MiLB with NCAA, where its completely legal to not pay workers entertaining checked out, entitled suburbanites

David Klein
10 months ago
Reply to  SenorGato

lol smerter

SenorGato
10 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

Borrowed from the popular office cliche of “werk smerter not herder [but also herder…(edit) or else]” ofc

Last edited 10 months ago by SenorGato
SenorGato
10 months ago
Reply to  David Klein

Btw enjoy how this was clearly meant to be a gotchya post and bought as such. Smerter indeed! Sensibilities lol

Last edited 10 months ago by SenorGato
airforce21oneMember since 2026
10 months ago

An organization hired a big-name guy with who is famous for having his biggest successes with another big name hanging around, hasn’t had much success without said big name, and is 10 years behind the times in the sport.

The Rockies just hired Bill Belichick.

Twitchy
10 months ago

On the bright side, Colorado will finally recognize that OBP is important!

catmanwayne
10 months ago

This is a low risk situation for Depodesta, I think, as he dips his toes back into baseball. If the Rockies somehow become a competitive team under him, he looks great. If they don’t, he doesn’t look bad because everyone knows he had to answer to Monfort’s brain worms.

BryzMember since 2019
10 months ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

He also doesn’t look bad because everyone already knows it’s difficult to develop pitching in Colorado.

catmanwayne
10 months ago
Reply to  Bryz

They have been able to find some good pitchers at least a couple of times throughout their history, though it’s rare. Freeland has been as successful as anyone can be pitching a mile up, and he likes it there enough to keep signing extensions. They’ve had a few solid bullpen arms this year too. The last successful era (2018) featured a healthy German Marquez (4.1 fWAR in 2018), Kyle Freeland at his peak (also 4.1 fWAR), and prime John Gray (2.5 fWAR). . I hope for the Rockies’ sake that Depodesta can identify what works for pitchers at high altitudes, and focus on developing a crop of arms with a pitch mix/skillset that can play. If he can do that, the rest should fall into place because even really bad hitters can look good up in Denver.

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PhilMember since 2016
10 months ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

My worry for the Rockies is that if DePodesta doesn’t do great – e.g. they win 60, 65, 70 games in the next 3 seasons, then that is evidence that outside hires don’t work and so they can have their dream team of a Monfort POBO/ Ottavino GM.

thegreathambinoMember since 2020
10 months ago

The Rockies hiring Paul DePodesta to run baseball ops is such a Rockies move, they’re practically the Angels.

curt schillings ketchup bottle
10 months ago

They are basically the NL Angels. Except you know without the mayoral corruption scandals, and pitchers ODing on road trips, and prominent employees dealing drugs, and rotten clubhouse culture, etc etc etc

Sporter's Five HorsesMember since 2016
10 months ago

Tried uploading a meme, alas, could not. So here goes the Moneyball verbal meme equiv. w/Jonah Hill + Brad Pitt.

We are the Rockies.
Our only defect is we are the Rockies.

Feels like unstoppable force meets immovable object. Exciting times.

KennyMember since 2020
10 months ago

Looks like Dick Monfort just now finally got around to reading Moneyball.

David CooleyMember since 2022
10 months ago

This is at least a major change by Monfort. It doesn’t look like a great choice now – but it is “progress”.

And it will be entertaining!

JustinMember since 2025
10 months ago

Reading the news of this hire startled me if for no other reason than just a few weeks ago, on a random whim, I reread “Moneyball” for the first time in twenty years.

My book report: the prose aged wonderfully, the baseball philosophy aged decently, the prospect analysis aged horribly. (Prince Fielder: too fat for the A’s! Jeremy Brown: acceptably fat for the A’s!)

TheGarrettCooperFanClub
10 months ago
Reply to  Justin

The biggest theme of that book should have been that the draft is still a crapshoot, whether you’re forward thinking or not.

ehaltMember since 2016
10 months ago

Great title. The Rockies have Missed the Boat on a lot of things over the past several years.