One Year Later, the Rafael Devers Blockbuster Doesn’t Look So Great

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Monday marked the one-year anniversary of the blockbuster trade that sent Rafael Devers from the Red Sox to the Giants in exchange for a four-player package. Neither team marked the occasion by throwing a party; mercifully, both were idle, and so didn’t sink further below .500. The deal hasn’t worked out well for either side, though it’s the Giants with an expensive and apparently declining slugger on the books. While Devers was fairly productive after being dealt last season, so far in 2026, the 29-year-old first baseman has surrounded one very good month (May) with a pair of miserable slumps that are just part of the reason the Giants are buried in the NL West standings.

We’ve told and re-told the story of the drama in Boston that led up to the Devers trade, but the streamlined version is that the signing of third baseman Alex Bregman bumped Devers off his natural position. After that, a lack of communication between the front office and the slugger — whose defense at the hot corner had eroded — exacerbated the team’s attempts to slot him first at designated hitter and then, after Triston Casas was injured, at first base, a position he had never played before and was reluctant to begin learning in-season. On June 15, 2025, the Red Sox sent Devers to the Giants for lefty Kyle Harrison, righties Jose Bello and Jordan Hicks, and outfielder James Tibbs III, with the Giants assuming the roughly $254 million remaining on Devers’ 10-year, $313.5 million contract, which runs though 2033.

The Red Sox were just 36-36 at the time of the trade, the Giants 41-30. Over the remainder of the season, the two teams’ fortunes reversed, with Boston going 53-37 and securing a Wild Card berth, just the team’s second trip to the postseason since winning the World Series in 2018, and San Francisco going 40-51 and missing the playoffs for the eighth time in nine seasons. Each team has changed managers since, with the Giants axing Bob Melvin in favor of Tony Vitello — the rare manager to make the jump directly from the college coaching ranks — last October and the Red Sox firing Alex Cora in late April. Those varying paths have led the two teams to similar spots: the Red Sox are 29-41, last in the AL East, while the Giants are 29-43, two games out of last place in the NL West. (Note that throughout this piece, stats from our site include those from Devers’ two plate appearances in Tuesday night’s suspended game against the Braves, while those from Baseball Savant do not.)

Devers is in a much different spot, to say the least. For all of the behind-the-scenes drama that preceded the trade, he was hitting a robust .272/.401/.504 at the time; his 146 wRC+ was six points higher than his full-season career high, set in 2022. He hit a respectable .236/.347/.460 (125 wRC+) in a ballpark much less favorable for hitters thereafter, finishing with a 135 wRC+, just one point below his 2024 mark, and eight points above his career mark to that point; his total of 35 homers was his highest since 2021. This year, he’s hitting just .234/.294/.411 with nine homers for a 96 wRC+, lower than all but four qualifiers whose primary position is first base, Ildemaro Vargas (93), Nolan Schanuel (92), Josh Bell (87), and Vinnie Pasquantino (81).

Devers’ monthly splits are alarming, to say the least:

Rafael Devers 2026 Monthly Splits
Split PA HR BB% K% AVG OBP SLG BABIP wRC+
March/April 129 2 5.4% 31.0% .207 .248 .289 .288 48
May 118 5 6.8% 28.0% .306 .356 .593 .394 160
June 62 2 14.5% 32.3% .151 .274 .321 .194 72

Devers’ performance in May offers some reassurance that he’s still capable of being a middle-of-the-lineup force, but those strikeout rates stand out nonetheless. He entered the season with a 22% career strikeout rate, with last year’s 26.3% representing a full-season high (he struck out 27% of the time during the abbreviated 2020 season). He’s almost four points above that overall this year (30.1%), and has topped 30% in more calendar months this season than in any of his previous nine seasons; only in May 2021, when he fanned in 34.6% of his plate appearances, did he reach that 30% threshold. To be fair, he could trim his rate below 30% by the end of this month, but still, the swing-and-miss issues stand out even more given his sharp plunge from last year’s career-high 15.4% walk rate to this year’s 7.8%, his lowest full-season mark since 2019.

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Similarly, Devers’ zone contact rate is an issue. His 74.2% rate is actually 0.3 percentage points higher than last year, when he had the lowest rate among all qualifiers by nearly three full points, but this time he’s not offsetting it with enough power. Munetaka Murakami, whose 71.8% zone contact rate is the majors’ lowest, hit 20 homers and slugged .560 in 57 games before landing on the injured list; again, Devers has less than half as many homers as Murakami and a slugging percentage nearly 150 points lower.

Pitchers have noticed. Devers’ 30.5% chase rate and 50% swing rate are both two points below his career averages, but his 49.9% zone rate is his highest since his 2017 rookie season, indicating that pitchers are less afraid to challenge him than in years past.

So what’s going on? For one thing, Devers has lost some bat speed in recent years, which isn’t that surprising even though he’s still five months short of turning 30; he did get shut down in late 2024 due to soreness and inflammation in both of his shoulders. In late 2023, his swing averaged 73.4 mph (68th percentile), but that fell to 72.5 mph (61st percentile) in ’24, then to 71.6 mph (42nd percentile) last year, and it’s been about that level this year (71.7 mph, 45th percentile). That’s bad enough — his bat speed is now below-average — but what’s even more concerning is the progression of his season, keeping in mind those monthly splits above. He averaged 71.2 mph in March/April, with a 15.5% fast swing rate, then increased that to 71.9 mph with a 20.5% fast swing rate in May. He’s up to an average of 72.4 mph this month, with a 28.8% fast swing rate; while the month-to-month speed increase wasn’t as big as from March/April to May, neither his current average speed nor his fast swing rate have been this high since July 2024, before his shoulder issues really took a bite out of his production — and this month, that production has been terrible. Maybe it’s a sample size issue, but I worry that he’s forcing himself to swing harder, selling out for power in order to offset whatever else is going on, and compromising his swing decision process.

Even more worrisome is Devers’ collapse against four-seam fastballs. He has generally handled heaters well in recent years, hitting for more than enough power to offset his high whiff rates against them. From 2023–25, he hit .253 and slugged .528 against four-seamers, and was 36 runs above average against them, tying him for ninth in the majors. He was the only hitter among the top 37 (everybody who was at least 19 runs above average) with a whiff rate of at least 30% against them (35.2%). He’s an outlier on the scatter plot:

But while Devers had slugged above .500 and produced wOBAs of .371 or higher against four-seamers in those three seasons, this year, he’s slugging .405 with a .286 wOBA — and a 41.2% whiff rate:

Rafael Devers vs. Four-Seam Fastballs
Season % PA HR AVG xBA SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA Whiff
2023 40.1% 235 11 .265 .244 .510 .542 .371 .376 31.9%
2024 37.9% 155 11 .242 .213 .583 .486 .392 .348 39.7%
2025 42.6% 261 15 .249 .240 .512 .528 .380 .381 34.9%
2026 42.8% 120 6 .189 .184 .405 .379 .286 .272 41.2%
Source: Baseball Savant

That’s not especially encouraging. Statcast’s new swing timing metrics tell us he’s swinging under those four-seamers — whiffing or making sub-optimal contact, a subject to which I’ll return — 67% of the time, up from 60% last season. That said, he was also at 67% in 2024, with a similarly high whiff rate, and was able to improve.

Devers has become increasingly vulnerable to the high cheese. His recent numbers against pitches in the upper third of the strike zone and higher show a problem that resurfaced last year after recent success against such pitches:

Rafael Devers vs. High Four-Seam Fastballs
Season % PA HR AVG xBA SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA Whiff
2023 24.6% 128 6 .257 .246 .514 .568 .390 .402 34.5%
2024 21.5% 71 5 .267 .213 .650 .558 .420 .367 46.0%
2025 23.5% 124 4 .186 .158 .361 .339 .331 .314 43.8%
2026 23.4% 57 2 .143 .149 .306 .322 .262 .268 52.3%
Source: Baseball Savant
Includes those in Gameday Zones 1, 2, 3, 11, and 12.

Amid this decline, Devers has made some minor adjustments at the plate. He’s slightly closed up the most open stance in the game, from an average of 67 degrees open in 2024 to 63 degrees open in ’26. He’s moved deeper in the box by three inches (from 21.8 inches in 2024 to 24.8 in ’26), but with that, his contact point has moved similarly, from seven inches out front to 4.1. That makes him less likely to put the ball in the air and hit it to the pull side, but Devers has generally been more of a spray hitter than a guy who pulled the ball a great deal. For most sluggers, the pull side is still where a good share of the power production comes from, though, and for Devers, that share is shrinking. Even when he does lift the ball to that side, he’s not getting as much for his effort:

Rafael Devers Pulled Air Production
Season Pull% Pull Air% BBE Pull Air LA Dist Brl% HR SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA
2023 35.9% 17.7% 81 31 277 34.6% 19 1.375 1.351 .789 .768
2024 32.3% 15.4% 59 28 251 16.9% 6 1.070 1.018 .639 .624
2025 35.8% 17.2% 72 28 289 37.5% 17 1.563 1.272 .915 .740
2026 32.6% 14.2% 27 32 282 25.9% 2 .962 1.053 .580 .601
Source: Baseball Savant

Last year, Devers’ pull rate placed in the 28th percentile and his pulled air rate in the 45th, while this year’s marks have slipped to the 17th and 26th percentiles, respectively. When he does elevate to his pull side, it’s not as hard, and he’s not barreling it as often, hitting it as far, or leaving the yard with much frequency. All of that, as you’d expect, shows up in his overall Statcast contact profile:

Rafael Devers Statcast Proile
Season BBE EV LA Barrel% HardHit% AVG xBA SLG xSLG wOBA xwOBA
2023 457 93.1 12.4 12.7% 55.1% .271 .276 .500 .544 .359 .380
2024 384 93.2 11.6 13.0% 52.6% .272 .267 .516 .514 .364 .366
2025 419 93.5 12.6 16.0% 56.1% .252 .244 .479 .487 .365 .367
2026 191 91.9 13.5 9.4% 49.2% .234 .217 .411 .398 .307 .291

I noticed a few other things in poring over Devers’ Statcast page. He’s making contact under balls on 27.4% of his batted ball events, a career-high rate that’s 4.5 points ahead of each of his last two seasons. Those balls rarely turn into hits and almost never produce substantial damage beyond a cheap home run down the foul line, so having a greater share of them as part of your contact profile is bad news. Last year, Devers hit .095 and slugged .158 on the 96 balls he got under, whereas this year, he’s hitting .120 and slugging .140 on 52 such balls.

One more thing to note is that Devers has been particularly vexed by lefties. While he raked against them during his 58-game rookie season in 2017, even including that campaign, he struggled to an 89 wRC+ against southpaws over the 2017–20 timeframe. From 2021–25, he improved to a 104 wRC+, with ’24 (95 wRC+) his only below-average season within that span. This year, he’s down to a career-worst 61 wRC+ (.185/.265/.293) with a 29.4% strikeout rate in 102 plate appearances. Devers is hitting .074 and slugging .296 in 27 plate appearances against lefty fastballs — that’s two homers and a 54.2% whiff rate — compared to a .291 AVG and .545 SLG with a 39.9% whiff rate in 55 appearances against them last year. He’s also been eaten up by sweepers from lefties (.077 AVG/.145 SLG, 31.3% whiff in 14 appearances), which he’s seen as many times as he’s seen traditional sliders from them (57 times, 13.7% of pitches from lefties).

While Devers has started every game against lefties, the time is nigh for Vitello to adjust his lineup, at least until the slugger finds his swing again. Rookie Bryce Eldridge, a fellow lefty who has shared DH and first base responsibilities with Devers since being called up in early May, has enjoyed small-sample success against lefties as part of his .324/.415/.552 (170 wRC+) line, so it makes sense to play him at first on those days. To be fair, the Giants currently lack a reliable right-handed bat to plug in at DH in such a configuration because injuries to outfielders Heliot Ramos and Harrison Bader have thinned their bench. Casey Schmitt, who handled a good chunk of the DH duty before Eldridge was recalled, has spent the past four weeks as the regular left fielder despite no previous professional experience there, but that’s a temporary situation, as Ramos, who has been out since mid-May due to a right quad strain, is slated to start a rehab assignment on Wednesday.

In late April, president of baseball operations Buster Posey expressed confidence in Devers’ track record despite his slow start, though he did characterize the slugger as “a little in between right now. Maybe a tick late on some heaters, and then a little bit out in front on off-speed.” Since then, the Giants have dug such a hole for themselves that Posey and company are reportedly sending out feelers regarding pending free agents Luis Arraez and Robbie Ray. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reported that they’re willing to listen to offers on Devers, Willy Adames, and Matt Chapman, but all three are owed so much money as to be immovable “without attaching serious value to them,” as one NL executive told Feinsand. Chapman, who has a 115 wRC+ with 1.7 WAR this far, would provide a significant upgrade to many contenders in need of help at the hot corner — the Phillies, Braves, Brewers, Cardinals, Padres, and Mariners are all candidates to land on next month’s Replacement Level Killers list — but he’s making $25 million this year, has a full no-trade clause, and is owed another $100 million for 2027–30. Adames, who has put up just a 91 wRC+ with -0.3 WAR, is owed $140 million from 2027–31 and has full no-trade protection, if those aforementioned numbers didn’t figuratively place him in that category already.

It’s worth noting that the Red Sox didn’t exactly make out like bandits in the Devers deal. Of the four players they received, only Bello — a 21-year-old starter at Low-A Salem, and no relation to Brayan Bello — is still in the organization. Tibbs, a lefty-swinging 23-year-old, was flipped to the Dodgers on July 31 last year in exchange for Dustin May; he’s 45-FV prospect currently hitting .307/.422/.614 (159 wRC+) while playing right field and DH for Triple-A Oklahoma City. May, who scuffled during his brief time with the Red Sox, departed in free agency and is now flourishing with the Cardinals. Hicks, a 29-year-old righty, was sent to the White Sox on February 1 as part of a deal that also sent 25-year-old righty prospect David Sandlin to Chicago and 23-year-old righty Gage Ziehl to Boston; the Red Sox also sent along $8 million of the remaining $25 million on Hicks’ contract, and there are three as-yet-unidentified PTBNLs in the swap. While Hicks has struggled in Chicago, Harrison was traded to the Brewers on February 9 as part of a six-player deal that sent Caleb Durbin to Boston. That deal was supposed to help fill the third base hole left by Bregman’s opt-out, but Durbin is hitting just .190/.250/.307 while Harrison is thriving in Milwaukee, with a 2.47 ERA and 3.05 FIP in 65.2 innings.

The Red Sox may pat themselves on the back for clearing Devers’ salary from the books, and for avoiding a long-term entanglement with Bregman (who recently called his own play with the Cubs “terrible”), but they have little to show for the whole saga beyond their once-vaunted payroll flexibility. Their recent track record — dating back at least to the meager returns from the Mookie Betts trade — speaks for itself. The Giants, who for years showed willingness to shell out for a cornerstone such as Aaron Judge, Carlos Correa, or Shohei Ohtani who would stick around for the long term, at least took a risk in dealing for a player whom they believed fit that bill, but that doesn’t mean they’re guaranteed the reward.





Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.

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John WickMember since 2018
2 months ago

Looks great for the Brewers!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  John Wick

The Brewers and the Dodgers won the Devers trade.

Although considering how badly the entire Giants lineup has hit since they brought in the new manager and hitting coach it might be that.

David Klein
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Devers in zone contact rate has collapsed he’s in the steep decline.

Jorge FabregasMember since 2016
1 month ago
Reply to  David Klein

It’s been roughly the same for the past three seasons?

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 months ago
Reply to  John Wick

Yeah it’s like in retrospect the Sox made out well then turned it into coal

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  dangledangle

Someone in the comment section the other day used the analogy of someone who won money gambling and then spent all their winnings on booze

dangledangleMember since 2024
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Perfection

lavarnway
2 months ago

I tried telling yall at the time and got downvoted to hell: “Devers is a diva with an underwater contract. This is a lose-lose deal lol: Red Sox lost a great hitter and the Giants gained a DH with a bad contract. Good luck to them both!”

darren
2 months ago
Reply to  lavarnway

No no no, don’t you see? This is exactly the Mookie Betts trade and the Giants should also be praised for trying really hard.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  darren

I have people in my sphere who insist the Sox have done nothing right since the Betts trade.

It’s insane downerfan nonsense.

rickdugo3000
2 months ago
Reply to  lavarnway

people were calling him generational

thaaldermanMember since 2024
2 months ago

It’s funny how much the narrative has changed in a year. People trying to defend the Red Sox side (myself included) got pile-drived in the comments here and elsewhere. It was always obvious that they were extremely fortunate to dump Devers’s contract.

wiguy94Member since 2025
2 months ago
Reply to  thaalderman

For me the trade always made sense from the perspective of Devers contract was clearly not going to age well. I just thought it was a trade you’d see from a small market team who really can’t afford to be saddled with a bad long term deal not a big market team like Boston.

Farbsy15Member since 2023
2 months ago
Reply to  wiguy94

He’s already not a good player … You could argue a big market team has the most to gain from freeing up $300m longterm and putting it toward a player that is.

darren
2 months ago
Reply to  Farbsy15

I was pretty high on the trade for the Red Sox, and even I thought Devers would continue to be a good/not great player for a couple more years. He may still be.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  darren

He’s already back above water in June, after last night – 139 wRC+ since 5/1.

thaaldermanMember since 2024
2 months ago
Reply to  wiguy94

Additionally, while Red Sox management is absolutely a chaotic shitshow, I thought Devers’s outright refusal to even consider switching positions set a terrible example in a locker room full of young players, regardless of whether or not he was technically justified.

I feel like a lot of people saw a “labor vs management” dispute and reflexively sided with labor without taking into account the possibility that everyone involved was a toxic prick.

dl80Member since 2026
1 month ago
Reply to  thaalderman

Breslow is so terrible that it made Devers look good by contrast.

compucles
1 month ago
Reply to  thaalderman

Just switching positions is one thing. But no player would ever be comfortable learning a brand new position in-season. I don’t blame him for refusing to do so.

It also seems that the front office was only intending to feel him out on the possibility.

The problem was that the communications on both sides did not go well to say the least.

TKDCMember since 2016
2 months ago
Reply to  thaalderman

Yeah, that didn’t happen, at least not on this site. The only comments that were maybe “pile-drived” were racially coded nonsense about the relationship between Devers and the Red Sox front office. It was mostly uncontested that Devers’ contract was underwater. People who said that in a non-jackass way were not “pile-drived” at all.

To be fair, I went back and checked the comments. I didn’t actually see you there at all, but there were several hundred comments over two articles.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  TKDC

This is definitely a show-your-receipts situation. There are lots of people who said that it was worth it because the team couldn’t move forward with him, or because the last half of that contract was going to be terrible. Anyone who said this was going to happen…I don’t believe it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

That said, there is one thing we did *not* know about at the time that would have changed my opinion considerably: that he apparently has a chronic back injury. I absolutely would have supported getting as far away from that contract if I had known that. But also: I don’t think that is what happened here. I think he is playing for a directionless team and a lot of guys are in a rut because of it.

96mncMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Wait, what’s this about a chronic back injury? I’ve never heard that before.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  96mnc

I almost missed it too. Google “Giants star Rafael Devers dealing with disk injury in back”. It’s the kind of thing you can usually manage with rest and rehab. And many players return to play at their previous level. But as Matt Carpenter and Christian Yelich can tell you, back injuries are sticky.

raregokusMember since 2022
1 month ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yep. You can check the receipts for me and see that I was 100% wrong about this, the Red Sox were smart to get out from under the contract even if they got negative value out of the return parts. The Devers contract became an anchor way quicker than I would’ve guessed at the time. I guess there’s still time for him to turn it around and try to at least make the next couple seasons salvageable money-wise, but that scenario becomes less likely every day.

thaaldermanMember since 2024
2 months ago
Reply to  TKDC

Considering I left five separate comments on the May 12, 2025 article titled “The Red Sox Are Pulling the Wrong Levers With Rafael Devers,” all of which are easily discoverable with a simple CTL+F search, you’ll forgive me if I don’t consider you a particularly trustworthy source.

And while I highly doubt this will happen since you consciously omitted the “and elsewhere” from my statement, as well as baselessly and carelessly accused people you disagree with of racism, if you somehow acquire an iota of intellectual honesty and go back and review those comments, maybe you’ll notice responses that describe my assessment of the situation as “utterly bizarre,” accuse me of Red Sox fan bias (despite being a White Sox fan who couldn’t care less about the Red Sox), blame me for Jerry Reinsdorf’s miserliness, and finally, as a grand finale, reference Lincoln’s assassination and the Munich Agreement of 1938.

In my opinion, that’s hysterical and hyperbolic enough to be metaphorically compared to a professional wrestling move, which is what “pile-drived” means – since that’s yet another thing you appear to be ignorant of – but I get the feeling that someone as pleasant as you’ve presented yourself in this interaction might disagree. Nevertheless, I encourage anyone else interested in what the discourse was like last year to look for themselves and decide which one of our representations more accurately reflects reality.

TKDCMember since 2016
2 months ago
Reply to  thaalderman

I said “at least not here” so pretty ironic for you to get all ornery about my comment when you didn’t even read it. I don’t have ctrl+f on my phone. I scanned the comments. I didn’t see this at all in the comments. Anyway, feel free to ignore me moving forward, you might be too sensitive for adult conversations. I will definitely do the same to you. Good day.

Also, I probably have watched wrestling since before you were born. You just miss every bit of nuance and jump to conclusions faster than that guy in Office Space. Everything you wrote was childish gibberish.

Last edited 2 months ago by TKDC
Jason BMember since 2017
1 month ago
Reply to  TKDC

I too would like to own one of Smykowski’s “Jump to Conclusions” mats

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  TKDC

I’m here every day and I saw nothing “racially-coded”. I also got dumped on for the trade at the time.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I did. I don’t believe everyone who defended the trade from the Red Sox side was doing it, but it was there.

TKDCMember since 2016
2 months ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

That’s because you were the one doing it: calling him a diva and so forth.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  TKDC

This Week in Race Baiting.

JFC

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  TKDC

Any human can be a diva.

You calling me a racist for that just says a lot about you, not me.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  TKDC

You don’t get to sit there and libel me with this crap, jackass.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 month ago
Reply to  TKDC

Yeah, please show us that the transaction had anything at all to do with race.

warpath
2 months ago
Reply to  thaalderman

I think a lot of people were always fans of dumping the contract for the long-term implications, although I doubt anybody could have predicted such a precipitous drop off for Devers, especially with how he was absolutely mashing at the time of the trade.

Additionally, I was a fan of getting off the contract, but I was equally critical of how the team had handled the Bregman-Devers saga and position change leading up to that. The trade in a vacuum made good sense for Boston, but the trade didn’t exist in a vacuum. I can’t imagine Devers had more trade value because he was DH-only to start the year and wouldn’t play 1B.

Last edited 2 months ago by warpath
LesVegetables
2 months ago

People who don’t think the Red Sox won this trade are high. They got $275 million off of their books. The prospects don’t matter at all. I still can’t believe Breslow found someone willing to take the contract off their hands.

Signing a guy to a $300 million extension and then shipping him off a year later is not how you run a competitive baseball team, but in a vacuum that trade was obviously good.

tedTHRILLiamsMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  LesVegetables

Baseball doesn’t occur in a vacuum and I don’t think you can blame fans for not getting excited at a pure salary dump in an uncapped league.

rickdugo3000
2 months ago
Reply to  tedTHRILLiams

those fans are stupid. not only did they trade him for kyle harrison and james tibbs — assets then, even better assets now (after the red sox fumbled them, of course, but that does not bear on your erroneous categorization of the trade as a “salary dump,” which it was not) — but they immediately spent Devers’ money on Roman Anthony, Aroldis Chapman, Sonny Gray, Willson Contreras, and Ranger Suarez, all of whom are better at baseball today than Rafael Devers

Last edited 2 months ago by rickdugo3000
O'KieboomerMember since 2021
1 month ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

You can’t give them credit for acquiring and then sending away assets that have since appreciated. As a Rays fan it gives me pangs of when they acquired Trea Turner from the Padres…oh wait, I’m hearing they moved him for Steven Souza Jr. Great job!

darren
2 months ago
Reply to  tedTHRILLiams

It wasn’t a pure salary dump. They got back Harrison and Tibbs.

Last edited 2 months ago by darren
drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  darren

They did have to take Hicks, and then offload him–to me that was a sizable negative to the trade.

LesVegetables
2 months ago
Reply to  tedTHRILLiams

I don’t disagree. I equate it to driving into a ditch but then your buddy with a tow truck bails you out. Like sure it’s great that your buddy helped you but you probably shouldn’t drive into ditches.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 months ago
Reply to  LesVegetables

It’s just that it didn’t occur in a vacuum. Hard to give a front office too much credit for undoing their own decisions — if it was an accomplishment to dump the contract, which I agree it was, then wouldn’t it still have been better not to sign it in the first place?

wiguy94Member since 2025
2 months ago

Bloom was the guy who signed Devers to that contract not Breslow.

rickdugo3000
2 months ago
Reply to  wiguy94

and trevor story and masataka yoshida, within the span of 11 months, for a total commitment of $665 million …

maguroMember since 2016
2 months ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

At least he took a risk in signing all those bad contracts.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
2 months ago
Reply to  wiguy94

Sure, the change of leadership is an explanation for the team’s confusing and seemingly directionless strategy. But I don’t see how it makes it any more praiseworthy, particularly when the nightmarish breakdown of the team-player relationship preceding the trade was all Breslow.

rickdugo3000
2 months ago

really? you think Craig Breslow gets 100% of the blame for Rafael Devers, after Triston Casas died on the field — stretchered off in tears — refusing to play first, saying (real quote) “next thing you know someone will get hurt in the outfield and they’ll be asking me to switch to playing in the outfield?”

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darren
2 months ago

It does if you’re talking about Breslow and not the organization. Breslow did not sign him to that contract. He got out from under a bad contract that he inherited. It’s pretty straightforward.

darren
2 months ago
Reply to  wiguy94

This is just like when Breslow traded Mookie. And when he traded Bagwell!

David Klein
2 months ago

It was a different front office that extended him 🤦

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compucles
1 month ago
Reply to  LesVegetables

Well, for one thing, they very well might have done better in the playoffs last year if they still had Devers in their lineup. The Red Sox probably are better off long term, but there was still a significant cost in losing Devers himself.

darren
2 months ago

I appreciate your revisiting this a year later. Things certainly have changed. One major quibble with the article:

It’s worth noting that the Red Sox didn’t exactly make out like bandits in the Devers deal. Of the four players they received, only Bello — a 21-year-old starter at Low-A Salem, and no relation to Brayan Bello — is still in the organization.…. The Red Sox may pat themselves on the back for clearing Devers’ salary from the books, and for avoiding a long-term entanglement with Bregman (who recently called his own play with the Cubs “terrible”), but they have little to show for the whole saga beyond their once-vaunted payroll flexibility

You’re conflating the trade with what happened after the trade. Based on what’s happened so far, the Red Sox absolutely made out like bandits in the trade. They got back a promising prospect in Tibbs and a #2 starter in Harrison. The bad trades they made afterward having nothing to do with how good that trade turned out.

Of course, we can’t just admit that people were wrong to eviscerate Craig Breslow for this deal. No, the article has to end with more snark about how this trade is just an extension of the Mookie Betts deal (which of course, has nothing to do with Breslow). So what have they done with that payroll flexibility? Well, depending on how you slice it either allowed them to take on the salary of the far superior Wilson Contreras, take on Sonny Gray’s salary, sign Ranger Suarez, or re-sign Aroldis Chapman.

 The Giants, who for years showed willingness to shell out for a cornerstone such as Aaron Judge, Carlos Correa, or Shohei Ohtani who would stick around for the long term, at least took a risk in dealing for a player whom they believed fit that bill, but that doesn’t mean they’re guaranteed the reward.

Yes, somehow the big takeaway from this is that the team who acquired this horrible contract, then immediately tanked, should be lauded for being willing to take a risk. How can you write that with a straight face?

rickdugo3000
2 months ago
Reply to  darren

least biased jay jaffe red sox article

darren
2 months ago

I would love to see an updated ZIPS projection. The one in the original article a year ago seemed very optimistic: 150 OPS+/~3 WAR for the rest of the 2025 season, ~130 OPS+/~22 WAR for the remainder of the contract.

On Devers’ page now, you see ZIPS projections him for 1.3 WAR the rest of the year, which suggests it thinks he’s around a 2.3 WAR player now.

Farbsy15Member since 2023
2 months ago
Reply to  darren

The in-season zips projections move verrrry conservatively, as they’re not a full run of Dan’s model. I think we could be in for a very scary 2027 and beyond projection by the time he sends out his team previews next winter.

Farbsy15Member since 2023
2 months ago

It always cracks me up when the smartest baseball fans / writers, with their intense statistical analyses, suddenly drop everything and go soft on critiquing large signings. As if paying a player a ton — no matter who — is a moral right

darren
2 months ago
Reply to  Farbsy15

Hey at least the Giants tried. Sure, it was a godawful trade and they have been godawful since the trade but they … um…. tried!

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  darren

As a fan…trying does matter.

And hey, the Giants have been a Top 10 scoring offense since May.

The Red Sox might be failing miserably in their pursuit of the $/WAR title…but at least Liverpool managed to squeak in the Champions league!

darren
1 month ago

They made the playoffs last year and about the same as the Giants this year.

Trying matters but it doesn’t trump making actual good decisions.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 month ago
Reply to  darren

I agree that both matter…but the issue is that the Red Sox have yet to do either under Sam Kennedy.

Most people who spend this much time defending a Trinity alum’s actions are at least getting paid by the man’s parents.

darren
1 month ago

Alright, I have to give you credit here for the out-of-nowhere Trinity slam.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  Farbsy15

As you allude, the point is winning, not spending money. It’s absurd that that has to be said here at FG, but here we are.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 month ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

And while the Red Sox might run inappropriately low payrolls, given their revenue…at least they have the courtesy not to win!

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago

They have no leverage with Chapman and Adames because of the no-trade clauses, meaning that if they were willing to approve a trade to a team they would have to take whatever the other side offered. Chapman is from California and Adames is owed something like $140M, right? And not many teams are looking for a DH right now so the buyer would set the terms for a deal for Devers too. I bet the Giants would have to pay down each of the deals to 10% of what they are on the hook for to move them for a bag of baseballs.

And maybe it’s just me but I find it hard to believe they are all done. They were all pretty good players last year! Stranger things have happened than three very good players on the same team all suddenly becoming bad at once but I have a hard time believing that they will stink this badly if they get to a team with a good manager and hitting coach.

I know the Giants don’t have answers for those guys right now. But since they are stuck with paying these guys either way so they might as well make the best of it. What’s the worst that can happen when you’re already paying them anyway?

darren
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Does Adames have a no-trade?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  darren

Yeah, full no-trade.

maguroMember since 2016
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

In fairness, Chapman has been pretty good this year, although he did get off to a poor start.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  maguro

Yeah although the statcast numbers look real bad.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Related to this is that as long as Logan Webb is on that team neither Chapman or Adames are going to waive the no-trade. They probably won’t waive it in season anyway, and might not waive it at all, but as long as the Giants are signaling they want to compete next year they aren’t going to agree to a trade. It’s delusional to think that trading Matt Chapman is going to lead to them being good enough to justify keeping Webb.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And Adames has been so bad that his value couldn’t be lower. Now is not the time to trade him.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

For me there’s a larger question: is there any kind of league-wide explanation for why a lot of guys who have been good, have spent half a season being *extremely* bad?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I am pretty sure there is a Giants-specific reason, and that the reason for Bregman is that this time of year at Wrigley is terrible for guys with his batting profile. With Bo Bichette and Vlad Guerrero it is probably just that they are really streaky.

But I definitely don’t have any idea what happened to Manny Machado or Kyle Tucker.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And there’s so many names like that. Duran & Durbin both hitting like .180, for instance.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

One of these things is not like the others…

Jason BMember since 2017
1 month ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

LOTS of big-name and/or big-dollar guys sucking wind this year: Turner and Machado are bottom-10 in wRC+, not to mention Merrill, Duran, Riley, Bichette, Bregman, and Gunnar all with marks below league-average.

Devers, Tatis, and Guerrero are sitting slightly above league average but I’m sure their owners would say this is NOT what they were signing up for with those contracts they handed out.

compucles
1 month ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

For Machado, it might just be that he’s 33 years old (almost 34) and is now in decline. Sometimes the decline phase of a player’s career happens more quickly than usual once it begins.

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96mncMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Hitting a baseball is really hard and the pitching is better than it’s ever been.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  96mnc

I get that. I’m just wondering what adjustments some hitters have had to make, and what has worked and what hasn’t.

96mncMember since 2020
1 month ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

For the post 30 guys they have to make swing changes to adapt to their loss of physical ability. Sometimes that takes an entire year of sucking and the offseason to be willing to make said changes or for them to become second nature. Walker is a good example this year.

For the younger guys it’s mostly teams adjusting to what they do well and sequencing against them. It doesn’t get talked about a ton but teams collectively sequence really well these days and that’s a much harder adjustment for hitters to make. If you physically don’t recognize spin well or don’t adjust to big changes in speed there’s not a lot you can do – you’re limited by your vision. Being able to see a 88 mph change up one pitch then actually be on time on a 97 mph fb the next is a gift.

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96mncMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Both guys are in decline and owed a ton of money going forward. I can’t see anyone wanting either one of them.

sadhulkMember since 2020
2 months ago

To their credit, the Sox did spend the financial flexibility for the first 5 years on Ranger Suarez. He’s continued doing Ranger Suarez stuff, it’s certainly a better contract than Devers or Bregman right now.

It did more or less force them to trade a starter for a third baseman and we all know how that went.

Thomas
2 months ago

While the vaunted “payroll flexibility” is not a fun acquisition, I do think the Red Sox redeployed the financial resources well by signing Ranger Suarez and also taking on money in the Contreras and Sonny Gray deals. (They probably would have extended Roman Anthony anyway but that is something else they also did with money post Devers.)

The bad part is that they did not redeploy the baseball resources particularly well, and contract aside, they would kill to even have a diminished 2026 Rafael Devers in their lineup.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago
Reply to  Thomas

I’m not sure who Boston was supposed to get once ownership said “no” to Bregman’s ask.

chazzycatMember since 2016
2 months ago

Can we talk about the Giants complete failure to develop any players for the past decade that got them into this position? Everyone here knows you can’t build a team just by giving big-money contracts to aging free agents, but they keep getting a pass for “trying”. They really don’t deserve it at this point.

96mncMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  chazzycat

They’ve got a few. Webb. Maybe Loupp. Maybe Eldridge or Ramos. But yes, it’s been ugly.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 month ago
Reply to  96mnc

I wonder if it’s a “bizarro-Coors Field” effect? Colorado has famously developed hitters but could never figure the pitching piece out there. San Francisco, a much more pitcher-friendly environment, has gotten good results with developing pitchers internally but struggles much more on the hitting side

96mncMember since 2020
1 month ago
Reply to  Jason B

Yeah, it’s a brutal place to hit and why they have to overpay to get free agent hitters to sign there. Why I was okay with them getting a still in his prime and under contract Devers in a deal. Lee has been a good signing as well.

They should be playing to the ballpark more with high contact doubles type hitters and speed with the occasional Devers or maybe Eldridge.

John DiFool2
1 month ago
Reply to  chazzycat

Red Sox too: Devers was the last impact position player they developed, Duran for 2-3 years if you like but he was overage. Their track record with pitchers has been even worse, with Jon F. Lester being their last good native starter, and he’s been retired for 5 years now.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
1 month ago
Reply to  John DiFool2

Wilyer Abreu quickly came to mind and has been an above-average player 3+ years running.

96mncMember since 2020
1 month ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

I consider Duran a success also. They could have sold high and dealt him the prior two years when there was interest but they didn’t.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 month ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

Abreu was not home grown. He was a moderate prospect who came from the Astros in the deal for the washed up Christian Vasquez.

96mncMember since 2020
1 month ago
Reply to  John DiFool2

What’s especially damning for Boston is the success Priester, and Harrison had almost immediately after being traded. And that May is having this year after being awful with them last year.

David Klein
2 months ago

They handled him terribly but getting out of that contract was a great move and he’s already is steep decline. Oh well Posey got such praise for going for it and it blew up in his face.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
2 months ago

I feel like this is more about a slew of worst case outcomes than it is necessarily about bad process.

I feel like the trade, from Boston’s POV has proven out to be inarguably good. For reasons much discussed in the article and here in the comments. In fact the only way it could be argued otherwise would be to imagine a world where Devers stayed in Boston and (a) acquised to play 1B and did it passably well, (b) didn’t suffer the decline he’s experiencing in SF, (c) BOS grew their payroll to add more pieces in around him, and (d) the underperformance by the rest of the BOS roster wouldn’t be happening because “good vibes” or something

The Giants are just a mess. I get why they felt that they needed to trade for Devers. But with all of their long-term deals going bad at once they’re in a world of hurt.

Remember kids, in a cap and floor world guaranteed contracts are even MORE of an anchor than they are today.

compucles
1 month ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

What if keeping Devers, even if he stayed at DH, made the difference that allowed the Red Sox to win the World Series last year? They were already a playoff team without him, so it’s a real possibility. Even if everything else remained a bust, flags fly forever, right?

MichaelMember since 2017
2 months ago

Shane Drohan’s and David Hamilton’s performances made the Durbin/Harrison trade even more lopsided.

darren
1 month ago
Reply to  Michael

Why Hamilton?

Domingo AyalaMember since 2024
2 months ago

I generally don’t read Jay’s articles but I thought I’d give this one a go. Then I saw it open with “the deal hasn’t worked out well for either side” and follow up with “It’s worth noting that the Red Sox didn’t exactly make out like bandits in the Devers deal.” Of course the Red Sox made out like bandits! They were gifted $250m and assets that were flipped for other assets. Jay’s idea that spending is “righteous” because it means teams are “trying to win” keeps him from just admitting that this is a brutal deal for the Giants.

darren
2 months ago
Reply to  Domingo Ayala

The deal hasn’t worked out for either side. On the one hand, Devers has been terrible and the Giants went from a contender to awful. On the other hand, the Red Sox went from .500 to a playoff spot and spent the savings to improve the team, but didn’t make the best use of the players for back. So pretty much the same.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  darren

I’m glad they’ve used the savings to lower the cost of a beer at Fenway!

darren
1 month ago

They did? I thought they used it on some combination of Gray, Anthony, Suarez, Contreras, etc.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 month ago
Reply to  darren

If you do the math, Suarez and Campbell alone cost more than Devers.

But hey – at least the Conn Crew have used the luxury tax savings to lower the price of a beer, right?

Or should fans just be happy about how much cheaper tickets have gotten since they fired Dombrowski?

darren
1 month ago

The team did not promise this would lower ticket prices. No fans or media members suggested that this move was aimed at lowering ticket prices. You’re the only one talking about ticket prices.

darren
2 months ago

The way things have played out had definitely made this trade look better for Boston, even at the time you couldn’t really make a good argument in favor the Giants side at the time. Ben Clemens’s article from a year ago was pretty typical of the rhetoric at the time. In it he repeatedly called Devers a star and superstar, comparing him to Betts, Harper, and Machado. Sure, his contract was underwater in the long term, but it would definitely be a good deal for the next few years. He concludes that you can’t judge such players on a $/war basis because their skills are elite and rare.

Although Devers’ complete collapse has forced people to grudgingly admit the Giants lost this trade, I wonder how people would be evaluating it if Devers was cruising along on pace for a 130 wRC+ and 3 WAR. Would we still be hearing about his elite bat and how rare and valuable it is?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  darren

You could absolutely make a case for the Giants side at the time. Harrison was busted, they got to give away Hicks’s salary, and they got a guy who was 28, had posted wRC+’s between 125 and 140 the previous four seasons and was running a 146 wRC+ at the time. The back end was going to be bad, but the beginning part looked like it was going to be awesome. The Red Sox didn’t really have a choice to trade him and I seriously doubt they would have if they hadn’t pissed him off so much. I think people had to make a case for trading Devers based on some nebulous future financial flexibility (which is apparently very important to Red Sox ownership) and the case for the Giants was pretty obvious.

darren
1 month ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I may have overstated the case a bit. There is a reasonable case for the Giants side, and it’s pretty simple: they were in contention, they had the money, and Devers was a good player who could improve their chances. Even if it’s an overpay in talent and cash, it’s at least arguable that it’s a non-horrible move.

I still don’t think that’s a good argument. They still gave up two very valuable players to acquire a good player and what appeared at the time to be $50 mil+ in dead money.

Further (and this is what I probably should have said above instead of “no good argument”), even if we agree that this was an okay and reasonable trade for the Giants, that’s not how it was being discussed a year ago. The general consensus was that the Giants obviously made a great trade and the Red Sox were idiots.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 month ago
Reply to  darren

That, most certainly, was not the consensus here in New England. You would have been hard-pressed to find more than a handful of true fans who weren’t happy to see Devers leave town. The mishandling of the 3rd base situation was 100% on the front office, a group that is proving to border on complete incompetence with each passing day, but Devers recalcitrance did not help. As is being shown now the era of absurd long term deals is rapidly coming to an end and Devers’ was one of the worst. He had given hints that he was losing the quickness required to catch up to the ever-increasing heat being served up daily and, even if he could still hit, $30M is a lot to pay a DH, which is where he should be playing now. The fact that the Red Sox brass butchered every move with the players who came over is one of the major reasons Breslow is on thin ice making this deal a true lose-lose for both sides.

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darren
1 month ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I agree, it was not the consensus in New England, or anywhere else for that matter! I was saying that I was thinking that consensus was wrong.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
2 months ago

For me there’s a larger question: is there any kind of league-wide explanation for why a lot of guys who have been good, have spent half a season being *extremely* bad?


FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
1 month ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

Definitely seems like it’s happening a lot more this year than previous years. I think some guys will break out of it, but some have dug far too deep of a hole.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 month ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

That is certainly something that is jumping off the stat sheets. There are presently 8 qualified players at the Mendoza Line or below and 5 of them have been All-Stars in the past. Incredibly 17 catchers with over 100 AB’s are below that ignominious number and are playing, at least, semi-regularly. Also it is interesting to note that in 1954, the year I use a my benchmark for baseball at its best, 3 qualified players hit below .230. This year 34 are below that very low mark as of now.

compucles
1 month ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Catchers are often picked for their defense over their offense anyway, so that part isn’t very surprising.

Meanwhile, you do realize that managers today are more enlightened about the flaws of batting average compared to other stats than they were in the ’50s, don’t you? Hitting below the Mendoza line still isn’t good for a non-catcher, but hitting in the .220s is somewhat reasonable for a starter if his OPS is over .750. or he at least has a high walk/HBP rate that pushes his OBP at least close to league average. Either one of those, or he’s playing Gold Glove caliber defense at an up-the-middle position with an OPS over .600.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 month ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

This was my non-exhaustive list of players with below-average wRC+ glancing at the leaderboard of qualified batters:

Turner, Machado (both bottom-10), Merrill, Duran, Riley, Bichette, Bregman, G Henderson. Add to that that Devers, Tatis, Tucker, and Guerrero have been above-average by wRC+ but not producing anywhere near levels they have shown in the past, particularly in light of what they are being paid.

steveo
2 months ago

Why is no one bringing up how the Red Sox could’ve used Rafael Devers in the playoffs last year? Devers can swing a playoff series and he’s done it several times. Do they lose to the Yankees with Devers? They could’ve used him this year too. He’d be one of their best hitters this year lol. Also, who’s to say he performs this poorly in the friendly confines of Fenway Park? Long term, it was a win for the Red Sox to get the Devers contract off the books. In the short term, I think they’d be better off with him. I still think he’s a great hitter. I don’t think a poor half season changes that.

darren
2 months ago
Reply to  steveo

Good point about the playoffs. But this year he’s been replacement level.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
2 months ago
Reply to  darren

Story of the Giants’ season this year has been that every hitter except Schmitt was obscenely terribad in April.

Since the calendar turned, they’re largely back to normal…except for Lee and Arraez, who’ve been on fire.

(Naturally, they’ve started giving up 5 runs a game in the same span)

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
2 months ago

Jay, please be fair to Harrison. His ERA in games played anywhere besides Las Vegas is a miniscule 1.42. It is a crime against him that statistics from any game played in that stadium should be included in league averages or any statistical analysis. Just ridiculous.

equistMember since 2017
2 months ago

The whole trade isn’t even done. The Red Sox flipped Jordan Hicks to the CHWs to save cash. As of right now, neither the Boston Red Sox nor the Chicago White Sox have officially named or received any of the Players to Be Named Later (PTBNL) involved in that February 2026 trade.
Because it was a massive salary dump and roster re-shaping deal, there are actually three moving parts still left completely open on the transaction wire:

  • The White Sox still owe the Red Sox one PTBNL (alongside Gage Ziehl).
  • The Red Sox still owe the White Sox two PTBNLs (alongside Jordan Hicks, David Sandlin, and the cash).

Also, Boston gave up players in that deal that other teams have found useful such as Dustin May, Tibbs III, Zach Ehrhard, Harrison, Drohan, but they did manage to pick up the 67 pick in the next draft, value approx. $1,317,300.

compucles
1 month ago
Reply to  equist

Dustin May was acquired from the Dodgers and then left as a free agent. He has nothing to do with the Devers trade.

carterMember since 2020
2 months ago

There is no one size fits all approach to anything obviously. And there are plenty of bad body baseball players (but a lot less than there used to be). My whole thing is investing in a guy who has a bad body. Not really a fan of that. He is a pro athlete and is showing that at minimum he isn’t working as hard or has some sort of other issue (food, alcohol, thyroid, sleep, etc). While some of these can possibly be fixed, the game isn’t about doing what’s best for the person, it’s about what’s doing the best for the team and organization when you hand out or take on a contract.

rickdugo3000
1 month ago
Reply to  carter

this is such a good point and so well put, because it feels to me like there’s almost no middle-ground way to talk about a player’s … fitness … between “he’s a fat slob” and some variation of he’s a professional athlete everybody has different bodies stop fat shaming how dare you

but like this is obviously a thing with Devers, and is obviously getting worse, and is likely affecting his performance. it’s part of it.

carterMember since 2020
1 month ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Yep. There is a plethora of reasons he could be in the shape he is. But none of them matter when it’s literally his job. Guys who are in bad shape and putting up star numbers tend to age poorly. Of course they don’t universally age poorly, because there is no exacts in baseball. I’d argue that there is a certain type of bad body that ages better, guys like JRam (shorter limbs) but that’s an argument for another day.

Point is none of this matters. It would be one thing if his numbers were similar, but instead he is losing more bat speed than basically anyone in the mlb last few years, and reports to training camp in worse shape nearly every year. It seems clear that he either is not putting in the work to slow the aging curve, or has a reason that stops him from. Both of those reasons should be red flags, though. And they were there prior too.

darren
1 month ago
Reply to  carter

I wouldn’t have a problem investing in a bad-body guy automatically, but it would certainly be a factor I would investigate carefully before doing so. In Devers’s case, from the outside, it seemed to be part of a bigger issue. For the past several years, he seemed to come to spring training out of shape and have to work his way into shape over the course of the spring. He would get hot then, often, he would have some nagging injury and go completely cold. These sorts of things don’t seem to get better in your 30s.

mconsultatlMember since 2020
1 month ago

The red sox won the trade and f**** up the end game.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
1 month ago

Yikes these comments are a mess, parade of Sox fans taking victory laps over trading away their franchise player because he’s mysteriously declined this year. Patting Breslow on the back for getting great assets Harrison and Tibbs and saying he gets credit for that and not demerits for moving on from them – like roster construction happens in a vacuum or something. Two more things: 1) “payroll flexibility” is a canard for a billionaire owner of a premier franchise – it’s not your money Breslow saved, boys and girls, and Henry can give him a pat on the head for it but you don’t have to. 2) Talking of how difficult it’s been for SF to sign premier free agents, we will have to wait and see how Breslow & Co’s muddled handling of their star player (regardless of your loaded opinion on his role in all of it) will influence signing similar caliber contracts (FA or extension) in the near-future.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 month ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

I don’t really understand it either. The process was terrible, and a symptom of underlying dysfunction in the front office. This might be part of the reason why the Red Sox have fewer wins than any other team in the American League right now. There is absolutely nothing to celebrate here, and there is *still* a chance that if the Giants sell low on Devers that he bounces back to the guy he has been in the past. The best you can say right now is that it looks like the Red Sox dodged a bullet, which is hardly cause for celebration.

darren
1 month ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Dodging a bullet keeps you from getting hit by a bullet–seems like a good thing to celebrate.

darren
1 month ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

Yikes these comments are a mess, parade of Sox fans taking victory laps over trading away their franchise player because he’s mysteriously declined this year. Patting Breslow on the back for getting great assets Harrison and Tibbs and saying he gets credit for that and not demerits for moving on from them – like roster construction happens in a vacuum or something. 

What about the other side, who are saying that Devers is an incredible clubhouse leader who is an MVP candidate this year and going forward? I mean, as long as we’re doing the strawman thing, let’s do it both ways.

Runaway ToasterMember since 2016
1 month ago

I really hope Devers turns around and puts up 140 wRC+ seasons this year and next just so that we can have a (hopefully) different round of commenters saying “I told you all that the Giants were not getting fleeced, and you down voted me!”

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 month ago

I am pretty sure he is not *this* bad. I would give it about an 80% chance he is an above average hitter (110 wRC+ or better) in the near future for a sustained period of time, like over a full year’s worth of PAs. I would also give him a noticeable chance of him getting above 125 again for a sustained period of time, maybe 30%. And I think I like it to last longer than that if he is with a team that does good work with established major league players. The wild card is injuries, but aside from that I like him to bounce back.

OnWI1933Member since 2016
1 month ago

Came to a Fangraphs chat and found a Twitter brawl

Yowsa

Uncle SpikeMember since 2020
1 month ago

If anyone is saying this trade was anything other than a massive victory for the Red Sox, you’re out of your mind. Imagine if the Angels had traded away Pujols a year into his albatross of a contract. No one would be saying it was a bad deal because they got some solid prospects in return but subsequently made suns bad trades after that. The only thing we would be talking about is how they hoodwinked the other team and Houdinied out of that contract. Hell, the Six could have included $100M and still win that deal.