The Angels Dared to Dream, But the Past Week Was a Nightmare

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Everyone likes an inspiring story. They don’t call it a Hollywood ending for nothing; people love it when the hero wins before the credits roll. Over in near near-ish the center of American film-making, it looked like the Angels were setting up for another iteration of that classic arc. They were down and out, deciding whether they could stomach trading the best player in the game before losing him forever. The previous best player in the game was out with injury, and the ship was taking on water. Then, a classic mid-story twist: they ripped off an 8-1 run in the latter half of July and decided to go for it one last time.

Yeah, about that. Since trading for Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo López to lean fully into this year, they’ve gone 2-9, slipping back below .500. After their playoff odds reached 22.7% on July 27, the Halos have crashed down to 1.3% in short order. That’s a seasonal low for their chances of making the postseason. Things are decidedly non-magical in the land of Disney these days.

What’s gone wrong for the Angels? Well, one thing’s for sure: it’s not Shohei Ohtani. He’s started at DH for all 11 games of the stretch and has hit a ludicrous .405/.542/.649, even better than his seasonal line. He left his lone start in that span early with hand cramps, but pitched four scoreless innings before departing. To the extent that one player can power a team, Ohtani is doing his best.

The problem lies where it always has: with the rest of the squad. The Angels are both thin and hurt; they have a whopping eight hitters and 10 pitchers on the injured list at the moment. The hitters represented most of the team’s planned lineup coming into the year: their starting catching duo of Logan O’Hoppe and Max Stassi didn’t even last through April, Anthony Rendon and Mike Trout have been out since the Fourth of July, and the injuries have picked up even more recently. Taylor Ward will miss the rest of the season after a horrific facial injury he suffered a week ago. Rookie sensation Zach Neto has cooled off, and now he’s also on the IL thanks to lower back tightness.

The replacements haven’t been able to pick up the slack. Mickey Moniak is having a tremendous season, but he’s hit a wall of late, with a 48.7% strikeout rate and 11 wRC+ in his last 11 games. Matt Thaiss hasn’t been much better; he’s hitting .111/.200/.222 while handling primary catching duties.

The various in-season acquisitions who were supposed to shore up weaknesses haven’t been much better. Eduardo Escobar looks cooked; he put up a 1 wRC+ in this recent bad stretch and has lost playing time even with all the injuries. C.J. Cron has started his second tenure with the Angels in a slump. Randal Grichuk and Mike Moustakas have been better, but hardly world-beaters. That group of names itself is troubling; that’s a bunch of players who didn’t have obvious spots on good teams and instead are starting for the Angels. Here’s the whole list (min. 15 PA) of recent performance:

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Angels’ Recent Batting Woes
Player PA BA OBP SLG wRC+
Luis Rengifo 50 .302 .400 .488 148
Shohei Ohtani 48 .405 .542 .649 212
Hunter Renfroe 46 .244 .304 .390 88
Mickey Moniak 43 .171 .209 .244 11
Mike Moustakas 42 .293 .310 .439 103
C.J. Cron 32 .207 .281 .207 39
Randal Grichuk 31 .233 .258 .500 99
Matt Thaiss 30 .111 .200 .222 16
Eduardo Escobar 18 .118 .167 .235 1
Brandon Drury 16 .188 .188 .250 10

These 11-game stretches aren’t particularly useful from a predictive standpoint. Everyone has cold streaks here and there. But consider this: per our Depth Charts projections, the Angels have the best DH situation in the league. After that, the falloff is extreme. They have four different positions (catcher, first base, shortstop, left field) projected in the bottom third of the league. Only right field and center field project to be above average, both only by a hair, and center field relies on a strong return from Trout.

None of this will come as a surprise to followers of the team. The Angels have been built in this general stars-and-scrubs style for years. It’s almost poetic that the end of the Ohtani era has recapitulated the team’s last decade of struggles. Take a thin organization that never seems to develop average regulars, sprinkle in the inevitable injuries incurred during the long arc of a baseball season, and the result is almost a foregone conclusion: tons of playing time for guys who aren’t quite up to snuff.

The other constant of this recent era of Angels baseball has been lackluster pitching. That hasn’t been as much of a problem as feared during this recent terrible stretch. Two starters have stepped up – though Giolito is very much not one of them:

Angels Starters During the Slump
Pitcher Starts IP ERA FIP K BB HR
Tyler Anderson 2 11.1 2.38 2.92 8 4 0
Chase Silseth 2 12.0 2.25 4.10 16 1 3
Patrick Sandoval 2 11.2 3.09 4.90 11 5 2
Reid Detmers 2 8.2 9.35 8.58 9 4 4
Lucas Giolito 2 9.0 12.00 10.60 7 4 5
Shohei Ohtani 1 4.0 0.00 2.02 4 1 0

Again, cut up the major league season into stretches of 10 games, and plenty of teams would have runs like this. The bullpen has made it worse, though. Carlos Estévez has blown up twice in this recent stretch, allowing four runs to the Mariners in the ninth inning last Thursday and then six to the Giants in the ninth last night. The bullpen has a collective 5.58 ERA in that span, driven heavily by those two outings, and four of their last nine losses have come as a result of runs scored in the eighth inning or later.

As much “fun” as rubbernecking at their sudden collapse is, there’s a broader question to be answered here: Should the Angels have gone for it at the trade deadline after deciding not to trade Ohtani, and should they have held onto him in the first place? The results have been undeniably regrettable; the guys they traded for after taking Ohtani off the market have produced a combined -0.3 WAR since joining the team, and their earlier-season acquisitions have also been below replacement level thanks to Escobar’s swift decline.

The question of whether to trade Ohtani is more complex than just an on-field decision. It surely involved questions of owner and team legacy, fan interest, and other things that are enduringly difficult to quantify. Between the fact that the team never seemed particularly eager to deal him even when they thought that they should and the difficulty properly valuing Ohtani must have posed to both the Angels and teams trying to acquire him, they chose to stand pat. I guarantee that the first thing people will remember when they talk about the 2023 Angels will be Ohtani’s season and the decision to keep him. I don’t have anything more to add to that discussion at the moment, so let’s just take not trading him as a given and follow things from there.

From a process standpoint, I think you can separate their decision-making after deciding not to deal Ohtani into two phases: whether to add, and how to go about doing so. I’ll handle whether to add first. That’s a philosophical question. The Angels were long shots to make the playoffs when they started buying, and their trades couldn’t possibly move the needle enough to make them anything more than an unlikely contender. They were three games out of the final playoff spot, with two teams to pass in between and several teams right on their tail.

You can argue that adding this year is throwing good money after bad, hoping for a miracle instead of doing the long-term sustainable thing and writing this year off as a lost cause. From an extremely broad view – imagine an alien in 100 years who wants to know how many games the Angels won from 2020 through 2040 – they inarguably sacrificed wins this deadline. I contend that they aren’t giving up long-term playoff equity, though, or at least not much of it.

Because let’s face it, the Angels aren’t making the playoffs next year. Want to hear a wild statistic? Excluding the 2020 season, with its compressed and shifted timeline that makes calendar-based comparisons meaningless, the last time the team reached July 27 with even a 10% chance of making the playoffs was 2017. That’s before Ohtani debuted in the majors, if you’re keeping score at home. It’s not like they were playoff juggernauts before then, either, but it’s been a long dry spell in Anaheim. I don’t think it’s likely to get better after the best player in baseball leaves.

In other words, a single win this year might be worth many multiples of future wins, at least as it translates to the team’s odds of making the playoffs. They were still unlikely to pull it off. The odds were stacked against them, and their injury luck would have to turn around, which clearly didn’t happen. But this is it for the immediate future when it comes to the Angels competing for a playoff spot, unless there’s a seismic shift in how the team is run.

A year ago, that felt possible; Arte Moreno was exploring a sale. But now that he’s walked that back, and with the front office seemingly incapable of finding solutions, this deadline decision was a slam dunk to me. Even if you’d rather maximize fan happiness instead of playoff appearances, now is the year to double down. What will fans enjoy more: adding help around Ohtani in a noble attempt to snag just one playoff berth with him in the fold, or winning 70 games instead of 65 in 2026?

Maybe I’m painting too grim a picture of this team’s future. But they looked rough before the deadline. They came into the season as our third-worst farm system. The big league roster is in such shambles that the team is playing .500 baseball with Shohei Ohtani. They’re not exactly awash in young big leaguers, either; aside from Neto and O’Hoppe, the best of the bunch might be Patrick Sandoval and Reid Detmers. Next year’s Angels are going to be Trout and hope, and that’s been a pretty bad strategy historically.

Of course, that logic held all year, and the Angels only went for it because a winning streak brought them from far out of the playoff hunt to right on the fringes. If you’re making a counter-argument to my point, it’s that surely there is some cutoff below which they should capitulate. I happen to think that cutoff is very low; with a 20% chance of making the playoffs and Ohtani leaving after the season, I would have been sacrificing future for present all year. Honestly, the team has been doing that in various ways for years, whether it’s in pursuing free agents or drafting for near-term major league relevance. This is just another step down that path.

Okay, let’s stipulate that the Angels were going to trade from the farm system to bolster this year’s team. Did they make the right choices? Obviously, the early returns have been bad. The guys they’ve acquired have been below replacement level (though maybe not below specific Angels replacement level — this farm system is bad). But leave that aside for a second, and let’s consider the alternatives.

The biggest move the team made was trading for Giolito and López. Edgar Quero was the team’s only top 100 prospect, their best chance of getting help in the majors. Giolito wasn’t the best starter on the market by any means. But I’m not convinced that the Angels had the juice to get anyone better than him. The Cardinals traded a similar two-pitcher package – Jordan Montgomery and Chris Stratton – for a similar return, but they were targeting impact pitching prospects in their deals, and that’s not exactly a strength for Los Angeles. Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander almost certainly weren’t in the picture; no-trade clauses aside, those guys were both signed for next year and both cost money that the Angels clearly don’t want to spend. Aaron Civale would be a strange fit, since a lot of his value comes in the future. Jack Flaherty isn’t better than Giolito, at least in my estimation. Lance Lynn? Michael Lorenzen? I think that they did a good job of surveying the pitching market and picking a reasonable target. Giolito just hasn’t worked out. López was a nice complementary get, too, and he’s looking solid.

On the hitting side, I’m much less enthused by their tactics. Cron isn’t even last year’s news; he’s 2021’s news. The bloom is off that rose, to say the least. Grichuk hasn’t eclipsed 1.0 WAR since 2018. I’d rather have gotten Mark Canha to play first base, or Tommy Pham to play left field. I’d rather have torched the farm system a bit more to get Jeimer Candelario, who didn’t exactly fetch a mint. Is Ramón Laureano, who just changed teams for free when the A’s DFA’ed him, worse than Grichuk? If you’re going to go all in, do it! There were moves to be made on the hitting side, but the team threw up the Mission Accomplished banner instead.

Of course, there’s no guarantee that going slightly up-market would have changed much in the past few weeks, and we don’t know all the moves the Angels tried to make but ultimately couldn’t. The team needed to catch a hot streak both from its acquisitions and its existing players to make up ground in the Wild Card race. Instead, Ohtani continued to go nova and everyone else went dark. Candelario has been maybe the best hitter in baseball since being traded – .480/.552/.760 – and even he probably wouldn’t have led them to a better record than 5-5 at the very best.

So, what is there to learn from the past few weeks of Angels hijinks? The first lesson, to me, is that you should go for it when you get a chance if you’re rarely good. The second lesson is that long shots are still long shots. The third lesson is that even if you come up with the right strategy, executing on it isn’t easy, and sometimes you end up with Rockies leftovers instead of impact bats. The Angels aren’t completely done just yet, but they’re eight games out of the last playoff spot and daylight is quickly waning. That doesn’t make their unlikely bid at a playoff spot any less valid of a decision – but it’s fair to say that it hasn’t worked out like they hoped.





Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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offthewall
3 years ago

The popular take was “yay Angels! Go for it!” But 2 weeks later they realize they will still need to win games in 2024 and beyond. Good luck with that now. 🤣

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

I think the retort to that was that they were going to be bad in 2024 and 2025 no matter what. And that is likely correct, but it is definitely weird to say that the future doesn’t matter at all (which is my interpretation of the popular reaction to the trade as well).

mikejuntMember
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I thought the sentiment was more that Ohtani is a generational player and even if your odds are very low, your only real chance to retain him is to go on a fun exciting playoff run that gives him hope for the organization in the future. Yes, the overall ROI on that plan is probably bad because your odds are poor of it all working out, but the fact that we still know the name of the guy who traded Babe Ruth pretty much ensures no one else is going to volunteer to be historically noteworthy in a similar fashion, from ownership on down.

carterMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Right, I agree with mike here. Their hands were sort of tied.

snutilityman
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Do we think that people aren’t going to remember Moreno’s name for owning the team who had the two best players in the game on the same team for 6 years and didn’t make the playoffs once?

Come on now.

ascheffMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

I don’t think trading the controlled rights to the entire future career of 25 year old Babe Ruth is a relevant comparison to trading two months of Shohei Ohtani. Yes, some people on social media would have made the comparison, but those people are ignorant. Running an MLB franchise to avoid negative comments from social media fans is not a smart long-term strategy.

People remember the Red Sox so badly for trading Ruth because it was short-sighted and harmed the franchise for 15 years. Ironically, the decision to double down and trade from the future is closer to the decision to trading Ruth than trading Ohtani would have been. The Angels certainly would have been criticized in the short term for the trade, but if they restocked the farm system, spent smartly in free agency over the next few years, and were back in playoff contention in 2-3 years, people would be excited about the team again.

They have left themselves far more open to long-term criticism with this approach of sacrificing the future to go all in on a pipe dream. It takes time to rebuild a farm system and major league roster with no valuable assets to flip, which is the position they have landed in now. They will be a laughing stock for years, which they had the chance to avoid by making the hard choice right now.

shampain
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

If I was Ohtani, I’d be far, far less interested in re-signing for the team after watching them trade away what little promise for the future they still had in exchange for a pipe dream.

slz
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

From the Angels’ perspective, if youre going to be bad and irrelevant in the near future you may as well wipe out your uppers minors and go into an Astros/Orioles level tank. Sure if any of those guys came good you could recycle them into more prospects but it may be just as well that theyre not making you win more than 40 games to get those top picks.

I also have a fairly strong suspicion an Arte Moreno owned team without Ohtani is not going to be an Arte Moreno owned team for long and in that respect, the incentives of Arte Moreno employees are even more short term than those of most professional sports employees.

Dan B
3 years ago
Reply to  slz

This strategy wipes out the Angels for the last productive phase of Mike Trout’s career though.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
3 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

It’s the fun take. People enjoy making long shot bets. The fact that they nearly always fail doesn’t seem to stop people from enjoying it. Especially when it’s someone else’s money

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

If one is betting on themselves a long shot bet is less about amusement and more about competitiveness. Almost everyone in MLB in any capacity made it there by betting on themselves despite statistical odds. Unlike betting on Green in roulette we can influence the odds with our own efforts

ascheffMember since 2017
3 years ago

I contend they aren’t giving up long-term playoff equity, though, or at least not much of it.

Given how unpredictable baseball is, I don’t think I agree with the idea that a grim short term outlook should make it more palatable to trade from the thin farm system. Six years of team control is just such a long time. The Orioles did a complete rebuild in six years from a last place team with a bad farm system to World Series shortlist team with the #1 prospect still on the way. Obviously that is close to the best case scenario, but the Braves retooled in a couple years in the middle of last decade, and the Cubs are two years removed from entering a mini rebuild and are a second tier contender with the second best farm system in the sport.

It is quite likely that neither Quero or Bush ever becomes a star, but if the Angels had decided to rebuild, they should be on the other side of a successful rebuild in ~5 years. Sure, they have O’Hoppe to catch, but Quero was a bat first prospect, and very few teams run a catcher out for 140 games anymore. Bush and Quero probably don’t add any meaningful playoff odds in the next 2-3 years, but they might in 4-6 years, when they would have still been around in Angels uniforms.

The Angels had one chance to kick starting the rebuild process with the best player ever on an extremely affordable contract. He would have been the most desired half season rental ever, bar none. Instead they did the most short sighted thing possible and doubled down on an already losing hand. I feel bad for Angels fans – they deserve better than the past decade+ of chasing instant gratification with no long-term plan. Arte Moreno and the GMs he hired were gifted the best two players in the history of the sport on a silver platter and ran the franchise into the ground by never thinking more than six months ahead.

Last edited 3 years ago by ascheff
PhilMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  ascheff

Rebuilds do not always go to plan – look at the Tigers. And I’m not sure than the Angels front office would do a better job than the Tigers. It took the Mariners almost 20 years to make the playoffs after winning 116 games.

The Angels are in a real bad place – Trout and Ohtani aside, the major league roster is below average, and the farm system is barren. I think the team did the worst thing possible – be just good enough where they had a chance at making the playoffs.

I do agree that the Angels front office needs a complete overhaul – had they manage to develop an average team around Trout and Ohtani, they’d have been in the playoffs many times. Instead they managed to build an average team with Trout and Ohtani…

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil

Unfortunately, you can’t fire the owner.

hglmanMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Its just harder.

snutilityman
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Bingo. Moreno is the wild card and I feel for anyone in the FO that has to try and read his mind.

ascheffMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil

Yes, rebuilds don’t always go according to plan, but lose a 50 and 40 FV prospect is not nothing. It’s not like the Angels had a good farm system to begin with, but now it’s dreadful. By FanGraphs’ own estimations of the value of a 50 FV position player and a 40 FV pitcher, they traded $31 million worth of prospects in a farm system that is now only worth $67 million total.

That’s really, really bad. If a team signed a player to a $30 million contract who was terrible and didn’t help them at all, there would be dozens of articles written about what a disaster it is. The Angels traded away $31 million in prospect value to chase a playoff run that was a pipe dream anyway.

PhilMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  ascheff

I agree that who they traded away is not nothing. But the rebuild is going to take so long, because they are starting off from such a terrible position. And having those two prospects + whoever they could get for Ohtani and whoever else they could trade would just put them in a merely very bad position. Without the small chance (which has now gone) of making the playoffs this year.

I feel like we’ve just watch a house burn down and we’re arguing over if we should have tried to save a couple of thousand bucks instead of wasting time calling for help. The help arrived too little, too late, and the money would now be nice – but it still no where near enough to rebuild the house. And the Angels forget to take out any fire insurance.

snutilityman
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil

I mean, Moreno is obsessed with the Rangers but not enough to follow a pretty good roadmap.

If those prospects developed and the team was still a few years away, then they can trade them for more prospects.

That’s exactly how Texas got Duran.

kingharbaughMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil

My god don’t use the Mariners as evidence that rebuilding doesn’t work. The Mariners between 2004 and 2018 are basically exactly what the Angels have been since Trout arrived. They constantly tried to compete without the resources to back that up. Once they rebuilt, they made the playoffs in 3 years with one of them having no minor league season.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  ascheff

If the correct move was to trade Ohtani what level of return should they have expected. Would anything like these be enough to give up 10% chance to win with Ohtani:

Coby Mayo, Joey Ortiz and a 40
Kyle Manzardo, Carson Williams and a 45
Diego Cartaya, Andy Pages and a 40?

Would anything like this be enough to kickstart anything much? Was anything like this even available?

To me unless Jackson Holliday or someone of that level was on the table I don’t see the point in punting the last Ohtani year

PhilMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The Angels’ owner already vetoed one trade for Andy Pages! Plus he’s out for the season, with a bum shoulder so I don’t think he’d be a major part of the possible return for Ohtani – especially as Cartaya has been really struggling at AA. I think that is very very light from the Dodgers there – I would have done that with no hesitation.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago

Yes it’s better to have tried and failed than never to tried at all. The question is whether they could have gone even farther than they did. I’m not sure whether Tommy Pham level acquisitions matter nor whether Verlander or Scherzer were an option. In any case I totally support what they did at the deadline. I’ll always support trying to win.

ascheffMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

What they did is not trying to win, because they decreased the expected number of games they will win in the foreseeable future. Obviously they should have gone for it at the start of the year, but Trout was hurt and they were on the fringe of the AL playoff picture anyway. This year’s trade deadline pushed back the reasonable timeline of the next competitive Angels team by 1-2 years, which is a massive organizational failure. The leadership that has done nothing but let their fans down for 13 years with short-sighted, directionless moves just did it again.

Turd Furgeson
3 years ago
Reply to  ascheff

A’s fan?

kingharbaughMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

The tried to win by acquiring a bunch of players who are mediocre at best in 2023. Odd way to do that.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  kingharbaugh

Yes their execution of the correct plan was bad

Dan B
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Typically I would agree with this, but this is a franchise that has mismanaged away the first decade of a 100 WAR icon, and has now committed to being ass for another decade. Free Mike Trout.

baubo
3 years ago

Remind me of Homer’s quote: “Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is never try” I don’t disagree with the Angels decision to go for it at the deadline, but it does go to show that going for it always has this major downside risk. While tearing things down by selling at the deadline would look much more reasonable even if they may have lost a chance for a hot playoff run like the Phillies last year.

In the end, this is a culmination of failures over the course of many years rather than this particular deadline. This deadline was the last ditch effort to at least get “something” before losing the best baseball player in the world. It’s a worthwhile effort, but the odds always were against them and short of a historical run they’re going to be on the outside looking in.

fartinyourface
3 years ago
Reply to  baubo

That was Homer? I always attributed that to Euripides

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  fartinyourface

I’m pretty certain it was Boz Scaggs

PhilMember since 2016
3 years ago

Hey, 6 of the Angels have a wRC+ which start with a 1 in that 11 game stretch!

The problem, of course, being the 3 of them have a 2 digit wRC+ and another has a 1 digit wRC+.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

At the time of the Giolito trade, I made a comment that the Angels view keeping Ohtani as an existential decision. The way they viewed it was–with Ohtani, the Angels are relevant. Without Ohtani, the Angels are doomed to being insignificant. I think they rightly viewed the primary obstacle to keeping Ohtani that they didn’t win enough. Ohtani clearly wants to be in the playoffs every year, and he didn’t get to experience that at all with the Angels.

So, to break, this down.
1) To have any chance to keep him, you needed to make the playoffs with him.
2) Without keeping Ohtani, the Angels’ whole world would be effectively over.
3) Therefore, the Angels needed to get as many players as possible to make a playoff push, or risk being doomed.

So for them, this isn’t a question of short-term vs. long-term. In their minds, without winning in the short-term there is no long-term.

So from their perspective, what they did was totally logical. But from my perspective, their whole reasoning is totally flawed because they already lost Ohtani by doing such a terrible job of building a team around him. He’s never going to come out and say it because having the Angels in a bidding war would be good for him, but he’s not going to forget the last five years just because they made a wild-card one time. Remember when they dumped Raisel Iglesias’ contract to save money? I bet he doesn’t.

He’s as good as gone. And once you realize that, the question becomes whether they try one more long-shot playoff bid or bow to reality and accept that they need to rebuild. And from that perspective I wouldn’t have done this, because there were so many teams they needed to climb over and they were not very good. If you’re probably not making the playoffs either way, and Ohtani is a goner anyway, I would think that buying is the last thing I’d want to do because it would delay any return to contention in the future. But that’s just me.

mikejuntMember
3 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

More than this, I think you really cant underestimate the impact of the reality that we know the name of the guy who traded Babe Ruth, and no one involved wants to sign up to be remembered that way for some number of decades. Will it suck if he walks in free agency? of course. But no one would sign up to be remembered as “Harry Frazee and Arte Moreno” for the next 75 years, so the barrier to actually making the trade was more or less unsurmountable.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

I don’t think trading Ohtani was ever on the table for that reason. I think I would have just ridden out the season as is. (Although there are a lot of other objectionable things in the interim too that might have avoided this situation)

speedy
3 years ago

I could go on forever about why the Angels suck. Time Life Books could do a series on it.

But just last night a few thoughts: the notion that you bring guys in and they’ll “see how Mike Trout and Ohtani prepare for a game ” and magically by osmosis players will play out of their minds. They’ve been selling that for years. I think that’s been debunked.
For whatever reason it seems like they think if they sign someone or trade for someone who’s from Southern California or who’s played for the Angels long ago, this “homecoming” will make the player better.
And they compare themselves to the 2002 Angels. They barely had an injury that I can even find. 5 guys played 150 games. 3 Pitchers w 30 starts. 5 relivers w 45+ appearances
Unheard of today.

elisbedwynn
3 years ago
Reply to  speedy

I’m sure there’s some degree to which an established star can act as a mentor and help improve the ability of a younger player. Randy Johnson credited Nolan Ryan for refining his skills, for instance. And I’m sure having Pujols around was a positive for Trout’s development as a hitter.

But aside from the fact it’s impossible to quantify, it’s not like you’re going to turn a replacement player into a superstar – or even an all-star. What’s more likely is your accelerating what the player would have figured out later on anyway.

mikejuntMember
3 years ago
Reply to  elisbedwynn

You only have to look at the Dodgers to see the impact guys like Betts and Freeman can have on players around them. But that happens in concert with one of, if not the, best player development infrastructures in MLB, and the Angels have one of the worst one of those. The Dodgers have stars with leadership skills who can motivate their teammates to see new ways to improve their skills, and then the infrastructure to turn that motivation into actual improvement. The Angels may have the inspirational figures (and its also possible that not all stars are created equal in this sense, and we don’t really have any way to know that), but they don’t have the resources to capitalize on it afterwards.

Everything about the Angels is, at best, mediocre, and a lot of it is crappy. Their scouting and player development are subpar. Their decisionmaking processes are bad. They have two of the best players to live in my lifetime and basically nothing else about the team is even as good as a new expansion team would have within a year of being created. There is no reason to expect them to be anything but crap.

Like seriously consider this prospect for a minute. MLB chooses to expand. Do you think the average new expansion owner would be a better owner than Moreno? I do. Do you think they would hire better front office and PD and coaching talent from around the league than the Angels currently have? I do. Do you think the expansion draft would let them raid good farm systems for a better set of minor league talent than the Angels currently have? I do

If every team could protect the 12 or whatever players they’re allowed to protect in an expansion draft, how many players drafted by those expansion teams would be better than their equivalents on the Angels? Isn’t the answer “Every single one of them except Ohtani, Trout, and Lucas Giolito”? I am pretty sure it is.

That the Angels are even a mediocre team with as bad as they are run is remarkable. It is a testament to the talent of their two best players. They should be the Royals.

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Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  speedy

I could go on forever about why the Angels suck. Time Life Books could do a series on it.”

I would read that series. Or maybe watch the 11-part Ken Burns documentary at the very least. It couldn’t be any more depressing than his Civil War series.

And they compare themselves to the 2002 Angels. 

Speaking of, Tim Salmon was on MLB Network guesting in the booth of the Angels-Giants game a couple nights ago. That guy never stopped talking to take a breath! He was a fun listen.

Sleepy
3 years ago

There’s an alternate reality where Ohtani initially picks any of the four other California teams (yes, even the A’s, who were excellent from 2018-20) and is awash in Postseason glory.

But he picked Anaheim, who couldn’t build a contender around prime Mike F’n Trout. Because they apparently don’t have access to historical MLB standings in Japan.

[sigh]

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Sleepy

He picked the Angels (if I recall correctly) because they were the team that would let him try to succeed as a two-way player. So from that perspective, and the contract he’s about to receive as a result, it was an excellent decision.

fanofthemanMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

It’s really surprising that some team like the A’s wasn’t willing to do that. They’ve done so much platooning and working in other ways to maximize players’ talent that one would think they could have sorted it out

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  fanoftheman

I agree. I was shocked that any team wouldn’t agree to that to get him on the standard rookie contract. Hindsight is 20/20, I suppose.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  fanoftheman

A’s were sometimes outside the box like with Kyler Murray and sometimes too conservative like with most of their #1 draft picks.

tdouglas
3 years ago
Reply to  fanoftheman

There were very real questions about his ability to hit, apparently. Obviously, those questions look insane now, but plenty of evaluators thought he’d be a good hitter, at best.

kingharbaughMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  Sleepy

The team that supposedly was a top 3 team for him, the Mariners, would probably have made the playoffs several times with him, too. Although they wouldn’t have done the rebuild so maybe they’d be exactly where the Angels are today. Mediocre with a horrid farm that they sold off.

CC AFCMember since 2016
3 years ago

The Angels are like the Bizarro baseball version of the Colts and Spurs. Whereas those orgs fell ass backwards into Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck and David Robinson/Tim Duncan/Victor Wembanyama and have enjoyed success as a result, the Angels basically landed the equivalent of that in Trout and Ohtani and have screwed everything else up. 50 years from now, there’s gonna be some AI bot writing a story like “how did the Angels have Trout and Ohtani at the same time and not win anything?”

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  CC AFC

It’s like having Babe Ruth and Willie Mays and not winning anything. Even the late 1990s Mariners had a few playoff appearances despite disappointing outcomes with 3 all time greats and Edgar Martinez

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

And there are only five teams in the whole damn division! You’d think they could at least luck into a playoff appearance here and there. Like in the NFL when a team occasionally gets in at 8-8 or 7-9 (or witness the AL Central these days where .500 might well get you in).

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carterMember since 2020
3 years ago

For the Angels doesn’t it seem like the road here is to pay down part of Trout’s contract and get him to take a trade in the future? Cannot imagine he is going to want to stick around either, unless for some reason he likes the Kris Bryant route. I’d bet Philly would be a team he would be happy with.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

The correct route from this point is that after Ohtani leaves in free agency, they trade literally everyone with fewer than four years of team control or who you think is going to regress. You pay down as much of Trout’s contract as you can and pray he wants to play for someone who wants him enough to give you prospects. You trade Taylor Ward and Mickey Moniak. You trade Sandoval and Estevez. As soon as Tyler Anderson shows signs of life, you trade him too. You are now targeting 2026; maybe you try and work out extensions with O’Hoppe, Neto, and Detmers so any new crop of prospects will get to play with them for a longer period of time.

But something tells me that this is not going to happen. Arte Moreno is one of the worst meddlers in the game, and either he’s going to insist that they keep doing business as usual or he’s going to sell and freeze everything while he figures out what new ownership would want.

fartinyourface
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

It’s already quite clear that he wants the Kris Bryant route. If he had any interest in winning, he’d be on another team right now.

Fun-Hating DorkMember since 2019
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

See, Trout is from New Jersey, and that might be the biggest deterrent from wanting to be on Yankees/Phillies/Mets. He knows what he’d be getting into.

offthewall
3 years ago
Reply to  carter

The terrible decision-makers in the front office will still be terrible at decisions. They will refuse to trade Trout and commit to a total greasy-start. More likely, they will overpay Ohtani, who might be willing to stay in Anaheim for $700M. People like Moreno tend to refuse to accept that they made bad decisions, and they double-down on their past decisions to show us how smart they really were.

goatMember since 2026
3 years ago

Hollywood ending, no. Greek tragedy, yes.

shortstop
3 years ago

I still don’t think it’s a given that Ohtani leaves. All anyone can do is speculate at this point.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  shortstop

You’re technically correct, but it is not looking good.

The 29-year-old two-way superstar told reporters on Monday in Seattle ahead of the MLB All-Star Game that his hunger to reach the post-season grows as his sixth campaign appears to be another dud with the Los Angeles Angels at 45-46.
“Those feelings get stronger year by year,” Ohtani said through a translator. “It sucks to lose. (I want) to win, so it gets stronger every year.”

At worst, the Angels are already out of the running. At best, they’ve got about a 15% chance of retaining him, alongside a bunch of other teams who are co-favoriates.

Based on previously known geographic preferences, spending patterns of various ownership, and chances of winning, I’d say they’re clearly going to be behind the Dodgers, Giants, and Padres (if only because the Padres are going to offer him the biggest deal and dare him to say no); behind the Mariners if they’re willing to hand out a $500M contract; behind the Rangers if Ohtani is willing to relax his geographic restrictions; and behind the Cubs if he’s willing to relax his geographic restrictions and they’re willing to hand out a $500M contract. And that’s before we consider that the Yankees and Blue Jays will also probably offer him whatever he wants, so I’m not sure if the Angels would be behind them or not.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  shortstop

Why would he not leave?

BeauMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  shortstop

I’m one of the few that’s defending the organization here and taking some heat for it as well. Yet even I don’t believe there’s a chance Ohtani doesn’t leave and I unfortunately expect him to be wearing Dodger blue in 2024.

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Jorge Soler vs Train (UNEXPECTED)
3 years ago

Everyone always mentions revamping the front office since nothing can be done with the Arte situation. Perry was going to sell this year! Arte again asked to buy (is what I heard on “X”, which has to be true).

I always wonder, what about the training staff and health coaches in Anaheim. Year after year the angels suffer injury after injury, players play with significant injuries or end up playing when the risk would have other teams putting players on IL. Logan O’Hoppe had shoulder trouble in one game and 2 games later tears his labrum. Trout tore his calf 2 years ago jogging to 3rd. You can’t tell me a 100% healthy calf muscle tears while jogging. Check the methodologies behind the team’s trainers first, to atleast mitigate the risk.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago

I don’t know if Moreno stepped in and intervened, but it would be very consistent with his past behavior.

Someone should have told him that if he really wanted to go all-in, the time to do that was when Trea Turner, Carlos Correa, Xander Bogaerts, and Dansby Swanson were free agents (and so was Nathan Eovaldi, Jacob deGrom, and Carlos Rodon, not that the latter two would have helped much).

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago

I don’t know what your user name means or refers to, but hot damn I enjoy it every single time I see it.

Curacao LL
3 years ago

This wasn’t trying, this was flailing.
Trying would have been spending money last November.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
3 years ago
Reply to  Curacao LL

On Aaron Judge and Carlos Rodon? Justin Verlander? Those wouldn’t have mattered. Xander Bogaerts maybe but his price was astronomical for Xander Bogaerts

tung_twista
3 years ago
Reply to  Curacao LL

Angels’ main problem, unlike most teams, is not lack of spending, but rather how they spend it.
Only the Rangers and Mets have increased their payroll more than the Angels did in 2023 compared to 2022. Angels are 5th in team spending both since Moreno bought the team in 2003 and since the last time they made the playoffs in 2014.
They did make a lot of improvements in the right direction this year, (last year, their 5th best hitter with 200+ PAs had wRC+ 79. this year, their 10th best hitter with 200+ PA has wRC+ 93) but ultimately, it wasn’t enough.

Pwn Shop
3 years ago

Angels needed to trade Ohtani + Rendon for nothing. But they didn’t and their future is destitute.

tiffanybee
3 years ago
Reply to  Pwn Shop

Rendon was hurt way before the deadline and they would have got a lot more than nothing for Ohtani.

Joe Joe
3 years ago
Reply to  tiffanybee

I think he is saying that taking Ohtani and Rendon’s combined value was nothing. Though, it might have taken more than Ohtani to get off the Rendon contract.

Pwn Shop
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe Joe

Yes this is what i’m saying, as a package. It could have happened on the right terms.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  Pwn Shop

Anytime you can trade a generational talent (and the first legitimate two way talent in a century), you’ve gotta do it. /s

Pwn Shop
3 years ago
Reply to  Jason B

Great strategic thinking! /s

synco
3 years ago

A simple explanation for why it isn’t working out: none of the players they acquired are any good. And, outside of Ohtani and Trout, none of the players they already had on their roster are much good. And Trout is hurt.

The Angels weren’t fixable at the deadline – too many holes, not enough capital, not many difference makers available anyway. They also weren’t fixable last offseason – too many holes, not enough capital, not many difference makers available anyway.

The Angels aren’t fixable, period. They need to blow the whole thing up and start over (ownership should be the first to go). But they probably won’t.

deuce26
3 years ago

This was about the owner putting personal and financial outcomes ahead of baseball ones. Milk the Ohtani cash cow for as long as possible, then sell the team and fade into rich oblivion. Ohtani (if establishing a winning organization was the priority) should have been made a huge extension offer last year. If that was turned down, he should have been traded then. Losing this guy for nothing but a compensatory pick is baseball malpractice.

JupiterBrandoMember since 2020
3 years ago

The Mets and Yankees should be calling about Trout in the offseason.

BeauMember since 2021
3 years ago

The ESPN style hot take of bloviating about how the FO wasted Ohtani/Trout conveniently leaves out that Trout hasn’t played 140 games since 2018, Ohtani’s first season. Also that Ohtani threw 1.2 innings from 2019-2020 because of TJ surgery and during the shortened 2020 posted only an 80wRC+ because of a lingering knee issue. For certain, the incompetent owner meddling in personnel decisions hasn’t gone well (see: Rendon, Anthony) nor has constant GM changes he pushed through but the fault hardly lands on Minasian’s shoulders. SD offered a huge Soto-esque package in August 2022 for Ohtani which Moreno angrily rejected and reportedly even cursed out the GM for bringing it to him. Several of Minasian’s picks have already arrived (Silseth,Neto,Joyce,Bachman) and Nolan Schanuel (2023 1st rd) is at AA and hitting .323. From an Angels fan…Let the youth movement begin.

curt schillings ketchup bottle
3 years ago
Reply to  Beau

The angels wasting ohtani and trout is a “hot take”?

BeauMember since 2021
3 years ago

Seems like an odd thing for you to focus on given the length of the post but the point remains the same. Because of multiple injuries to both Ohtani and Trout since 2018, they have not played together as much as it’s assumed by making the claim that the organization “wasted” their opportunity with them.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  Beau

Well they did not take advantage of either’s prime years, to put it mildly. Fair?

kylesch87
3 years ago
Reply to  Beau

Since 2018 Mike Trout is 2nd in baseball in fWAR and Shohei Ohtani is tied for 4th. It would be wrong to say the Angels have had the two best players in baseball for Ohtani’s career, but having two of the top five is still really good. Compare the Angels’ results to Cleveland’s with Lindor/Ramirez (also two of the game’s top five players on the same team for a 5-year stretch). Cleveland went to the playoffs four times and the World Series once.

BeauMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  kylesch87

Well over 1/2 of Trout’s five year WAR of 31.7 was accumulated during his historic 2018-2019 campaigns with 17.8. Since then the injuries have really taken hold.

Ohtani began to hit his peak years in 2021 after recovering from TJ and knee surgery. Just as Trout’s decline began.

The biggest missed opportunity was likely in 2018 when organization decisions by Billy Eppler and Mike Scioscia not only limited Ohtani’s PA but also put together an awful rotation filled with MLB retreads like Trevor Cahill and Matt Harvey.

BeauMember since 2021
3 years ago
Reply to  Beau

*Correction: the WAR figures were actually a 6 year sample because I included 2023.

speedy
3 years ago

Another strange theme of the 2023 Angels was the constant Pollyannish attitude from the top on down. The season started w Detmers proclaiming a goal of winning 20 games, Ward was touted as MVP caliber by Nevin, and an Angel beat reporter was disinvited from a team show for being “too negative.”
Every injury was met with “the greatest possible outcome” no matter how bad. Every slump will be worked out. Every trade, every callup by Minasian was celebrated before they even played any games. Minasian is treated like some genius outlier for “fast tracking” double a players.
Every early setback was met with “it’s a long season” or “you can’t win em all” or “we gotta be better”
Confidence is one thing but there’s a fine line with toxic positivity and avoiding reality. Their expectations weren’t reasonable no matter how good they told you they were. A playoff team in their own minds.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
3 years ago
Reply to  speedy

I still remember that interview Minasian did here last year where he bragged about the team chemistry and how it was helping them win and then they almost immediately stopped winning. This definitely seems to be an organizational thing, either intentionally or unintentionally.

synco
3 years ago
Reply to  speedy

I think they have been very very aware Ohtani has a foot out the door, and have been trying to convince themselves that it’s all going to work out.

mikejuntMember
3 years ago

Now, as a fan of a team that benefits from Ohtani hitting the market as a likely probable landing place, its obvious I think this is great, but also, I think, it’s sort of good no matter what, because there’s just no evidence that the Angels can find success under Moreno’s ownership, and even more than wanting him on my team, I don’t want Ohtani to have Trout’s career experience.

Sleepy
3 years ago
Reply to  mikejunt

Let’s not forget that a still-in-his-prime Trout willingly signed an extension in Anaheim less than two years from free agency.

Dude *chose* to wallow in mediocrity for the remainder of his career. For “reasons.”

fartinyourface
3 years ago
Reply to  Sleepy

Totally. Who do you think enjoys losing more, Trout or E-Rod?

3cardmontyMember since 2020
3 years ago

As a fan of a team that produces almost nothing but sadness, watching my boys end Anaheim’s season in August immediately after they went all-in at the deadline is some of the purest baseball-related joy I get to experience. Don’t think I’m not savoring it.

snutilityman
3 years ago

It’s this kind of mid-level thinking that is why the Angels haven’t been a real threat to return to the WS with just Trout and when they added Ohtani.

Ohtani was never going to come back because they emptied the farm system of any remaining value for a bunch of mediocre free agents to be. Especially when they missed the playoffs, and no one with more than a passing interest in the sport thought those trades would get them into the tournament. It wasn’t a choice between going for it to make a playoff run vs trading Ohtani and giving in.

The choice was insult the fanbase and Ohtani’s intelligence for a final 2 month cash grab or do the responsible thing for the franchise and get whatever value was out there. Heck! Even refusing to trade him and not buying would have been more responsible than bottoming out an already weak farm system!

Is watching Ohtani hit meaningless homers with an A on his hat really going to make the sting of him signing with the team who’s cap he’ll have on for his Cooperstown plaque any less traumatic?

The answer is as obvious as the need was to trade him at the deadline.

jonestruckzs
3 years ago

I do agree that the Angels front office needs a complete overhaul – had they manage to develop an average team around Trout and Ohtani, they’d have been in the playoffs many times. Instead they managed to build an average team with Trout and Ohtani…

sirpuffmcdrunk
3 years ago

I have no doubt that Ohtani and Trout will be first ballot hall of WAR members, but the facts are clear, this team sucks, has sucked, and will continue to suck for what appears to be forever.
I’m quite aware that baseball is a team game, it takes 26 guys, etc. But come on, how truly great are these guys if they can’t drag this team into playoff contention?
Babe Ruth actually won some titles.

Jason BMember since 2017
3 years ago
Reply to  sirpuffmcdrunk

Yeah if only those two guys had put up 20 WAR seasons and imparted some magical fairy dust on Anthony Rendon, and Max Stassi, and David Fletcher, and Dylan Bundy, and Jamie Barria, and Ricky Nolasco, and Jesse Chavez, and Albert Pujols’ corpse, and Justin Upton’s corpse, and…and…

I think this is clearly the correct take. If Ohtani was any good he would have found a way to start 80 games as a pitcher so those other scrubs wouldn’t have had to bother. SELFISH. I wouldn’t want that guy.

sloejoeMember since 2025
3 years ago

Thank you for this thoughtful piece in what seems to be the most interesting “what if..” of the season. I couldn’t imagine rooting for Escobar, Cron, or Moustakas for fantasy or meaningful playoff baseball. (C’mon Moose! We need baserunners! Get on base!).

I loved what the Angels tried to do, but it felt like they were in their first year of a redraft league and they had the 2020-2021 baseball almanac (the book, not the digital version) to go by.

Would it be possible that they trade Trout for the “motherlode” in the offseason to recoup some face for the future? It feels like the the only ace they have left to play.

fartinyourface
3 years ago

Not trading him at the deadline was an epic fuck up. Anyone paying attention could see that this team was going nowhere.

jwa05001
3 years ago

whole lot of “they should’ve sold at the deadline” in these comments. a week ago, EVERYBODY was saying they should buy.

butthole25
3 years ago
Reply to  jwa05001

This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read today. Literally no one except the Angels thought they should buy

montrealMember since 2022
3 years ago

The Angels (Arte the Moron) rival the Rockies and Oakland as the worst organization in baseball. There is ZERO hindsight in my comments. I have been saying for the last year and a half they need to trade Ohtani and Trout. And Trout would easily agree at this point. What they could have received for the pair at the 2022 deadline would have shaped the next decade. Every year they go to war with a mediocre or worse pitching staff. They needed to realize they were not a good team even with Ohtani and Trout. I’m not sure how many fans really understand the repercussions. They have no farm system and 1 or 2 young players that look good for the future. They are going to be gosh awful for years and years. The Angel fans that say “we gave it a good try” are as delusional Arte Moreno. I always looked at Seattle and said they were a much better team. Yet the Angels didn’t even consider Seattle when looking to who they needed to catch. It is going to be Brutal for the next 10 years. How foolish.

hojo3030
3 years ago

I don’t buy the argument that “we will be bad for the next 1–6 years regardless, so let’s go all in”. The reasons are:

a) The odds for this year were already stacked against them. They had at most a 17% chance of simply making the playoffs (not winning the championship or even playing in the World Series) without factoring that no one knew when Trout will be back. Best case scenario was early August but it could go into late August or September. The reality was that they were probably 10% chance at best.

b) A player like Ohtani would probably net two top-10 MLB prospects or the equivalent (a top 10 prospect plus two top 30 prospects). Such a trade would instantly transform the Angels farm ranking and their prospects for the next 7 years just on the pieces from Ohtani alone. They also had many others they could have traded off (e.g. Drury, Renfroe, Tyler Anderson, Carlos Estévez, etc.) and could have easily walked away with a greater haul than the Mets did.
c) The teams ahead of them in the Wild Card chase were far better, deeper with fewer gaps to fill. The Rays, Astros and Blue Jays/Orioles had far better run differentials and were guaranteed to be trading to improve further. Because they have fewer gaps, they were in position to trade for fewer, but better pieces at the deadline. The disparity was at best going to remain the same, but most likely increase in the final two months.

d) Their likelihood of convincing Ohtani to resign with them probably went DOWN after the trades. They gutted whatever little they had left in the farm to go after any little chance they had this year. Had they traded him and a couple of others with expiring contracts at least they could have approached him in the offseason and said, “we wanted you to come back to a team with a vision and pieces in place for the future.” What can they offer him now? Even if they made the playoffs why would he stay? There’s nothing here for him and the Yanks, Dodgers and Mets will offer more than Moreno to join them.

Now, not only are they done for this year, they are likely done for for the next 7 years. The only thing they can do now is gut everything down with a Astros/Braves type of rebuild because they have absolutely nothing going for them, other than an aging Trout. If a prime Trout couldn’t pull them into the playoffs, and aging one won’t. They need to seriously look into trading Trout while he still has value and can get something back in return for a rebuild.

On July 28, the Mets were in the near same position with 16% chance of making the playoffs. The difference is their GM and owner looked at it rationally and realized that the odds are not in our favor this year. They decided to greatly improve their odds for the 7 following years. Although it was clear at the time for anyone looking at it rationally that they made the better decision than the Angels, I don’t understand how any still believes that the Angels made the right call today.

MRDXolMember since 2021
3 years ago

I think Moreno is planning to sell the team this coming offseason, and he only held on for the last year of Ohtanian grandeur. Screw it, empty the farm system, try and get to the playoffs with the two most talented players in baseball. If you don’t, well, Giolito’s not adding any money to be paid next year, Ohtani is leaving anyways, and the totally barren farm system is the next owner’s problem.

New ownership, if interested in the team, has to be eager to tear the organization down to the studs. The presence or lack of Quero and Bush makes little difference for the sale.

jarathen
3 years ago

I’ve really appreciated these Articles about the Angels’ will they/won’t they 2023. It’s all true and it’s all they can really do. I maintain that the team’s best future is one in which they are TERRIBLE and, ideally, Arte Moreno finally lets them try to build a team (hahahahahaha). They needed to go for it this year, odds be darned. And I don’t think there was ever any shot Shohei would stick around, because even if they made the playoffs this year – heck, even if they won the World Series – their future is BLEAK.

mlmorgen
3 years ago

Sam Miller of Effectively Wild fame speaks truth on this subject.
https://pebblehunting.substack.com/p/the-angels-in-perspective

offthewall
3 years ago

What % of Rendon’s contract would the Angels need to pay to get a team to take him? Not for any return, just to take Rendon. Would any team pay 25% of Rendon’s contract? I doubt anyone would pay 20%. Maybe 10-15%?
What a horrible, horrible decision that was. And the things is, almost everyone (at least in this community) knew it as soon as the contract was signed. Even if Rendon hadn’t totally fallen apart, it was a bad contract.

tyke
3 years ago
Reply to  offthewall

they would have to pay 100% of his contract