The Rays or Brewers Must Trade for Tarik Skubal

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On Wednesday afternoon, Tarik Skubal threw what looked for all the world to be his last pitch as a member of the Detroit Tigers.

Skubal fanned six Orioles — including his 1,000th career strikeout — and held the Orioles scoreless into the seventh inning. Tigers manager A.J. Hinch, wanting his ace to finish on a valedictory note, let Skubal pitch himself into some trouble in the seventh, but lifted him once Leody Taveras singled in Baltimore’s first run.

The Tigers led 7-1 when Skubal left the game, needing just seven more outs to seal the victory. The bullpen let six more Orioles score (with two of those runs charged to Skubal) by the time it recorded three outs. The Tigers ultimately lost 10-9 in 12 innings to drop to six games out of first place in the AL Central and 4.5 games out of the last AL Wild Card spot. They entered Thursday’s action with a 24.4% chance of making the playoffs, and with so many teams to climb over in the standings, I’m shocked their odds are that good.

Skubal is, by an enormous margin, the best player considered to be available at this year’s trade deadline. And in a rare blessing from the gods of microcosm, his last start illustrated perfectly why this is the case.

With all of Monday’s games coming after the 6 p.m. EDT trade deadline (and Detroit idle on Monday anyway), Skubal’s spot in the rotation won’t come up again until that milestone is past. Unless the Tigers reverse their fortunes in a hurry, Skubal won’t have another chance to meaningfully improve their championship odds, as the 29-year-old lefty will hit free agency this offseason. And re-signing him will cost… honestly, I don’t even want to guess. Lots. “Highest-paid pitcher in history” feels like where the bidding starts. And if they were going to pay the however many hundreds of millions of dollars it’ll take to keep him around, they would’ve done it already.

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Having made those two assumptions — the Tigers are cooked, and Skubal won’t re-sign — the only rational move left, painful as it may be, is to trade the big lefty. Even so, declaring a preferred destination feels unseemly. If I were a Tigers fan, I would’ve been annoyed as hell at years of headlines declaring Skubal a future Dodger or Met or Phillie.

Here’s the thing: I don’t think the Dodgers or Phillies (or Braves, or Red Sox, or Yankees, or any other big-budget contender) should trade for Skubal.

If Skubal moves this weekend and comes to the park on Tuesday dressed as anything other than a Ray or a Brewer, something will have gone massively wrong.

A team that aims to win the World Series needs to achieve two goals. First, it has to have the depth to get through the regular season and into the playoffs. Second, it has to have the high-end talent to get through the playoffs. Those two categories don’t always overlap; a club that’s shopping on the bottom shelf of the trade deadline package store might have to choose between a high-leverage reliever and a no. 5 starter.

Skubal, a high-volume starting pitcher with some of the best pure stuff in baseball, is one of the few players who can be integral in both pursuits. Over the past two postseasons, he’s started six of Detroit’s 15 playoff games, and thrown 28.7% of its total playoff innings.

He went at least six innings in all six of those starts, and in five of them he also allowed two runs or fewer; in total, he has a career playoff ERA of 2.04. There is no type of player who can exert such a profound influence on one team’s postseason fortunes.

Unfortunately for Skubal, only throwing a quarter of his team’s innings leaves quite a bit to chance. The Tigers have never scored more than three runs in any of his postseason starts, so they’ve gone 3-3 in them.

Both the Brewers and Rays are better now than the Tigers have ever been during Skubal’s tenure; both teams are currently in line for a bye. However, neither is in an unassailable position, and adding Skubal would go a long way toward consolidating a top-two seed.

And in contrast to some big-market contenders — including but not limited to the Dodgers — Skubal represents a step change over the pitchers he’d be replacing for both the Rays and Brewers. That holds true in both a five- or six-man regular-season rotation or a four-man playoff rotation.

ROS ZiPS for Skubal and the Guys He Could Replace
Name ERA GS K% BB% K-BB% AVG WHIP FIP WAR
Tarik Skubal 2.66 9 31.3% 4.3% 26.9% .211 0.96 2.46 1.9
Brewers Rotation Candidates
Name ERA GS K% BB% K-BB% AVG WHIP FIP WAR
Jacob Misiorowski 3.20 8 33.8% 8.6% 25.2% .199 1.07 3.03 1.2
Kyle Harrison 3.98 8 27.1% 8.1% 19.0% .229 1.21 3.79 0.7
Logan Henderson 3.90 6 26.2% 6.9% 19.3% .228 1.15 3.72 0.6
Chad Patrick 4.40 7 22.1% 8.1% 13.9% .243 1.29 4.18 0.6
Shane Drohan 3.81 6 22.9% 8.5% 14.4% .233 1.25 3.83 0.5
Brandon Sproat 4.67 9 22.0% 9.7% 12.3% .244 1.35 4.51 0.4
Robert Gasser 4.48 5 22.5% 7.0% 15.5% .250 1.26 4.34 0.4
Rays Rotation Candidates
Name ERA GS K% BB% K-BB% AVG WHIP FIP WAR
Drew Rasmussen 3.43 10 22.4% 5.5% 16.9% .230 1.10 3.56 1.0
Shane McClanahan 3.33 8 24.4% 7.2% 17.2% .228 1.17 3.36 0.9
Nick Martinez 3.95 8 16.4% 5.7% 10.6% .259 1.27 3.85 0.8
Griffin Jax 3.70 3 29.2% 7.4% 21.8% .226 1.17 3.16 0.5
Ian Seymour 4.29 6 24.7% 7.5% 17.2% .238 1.22 4.14 0.5
Red: Currently Injured

As if to drive that point home, McClanahan left his start on Thursday with a back injury while I was writing this.

Trading for Skubal wouldn’t guarantee anything, of course. His own postseason record shows that even great pitchers need run support. And while the difference between Skubal and Gasser or Seymour would be enormous, I’d rather have another bat if I were either of these teams, especially the Brewers. They scored exactly one run in each of their four NLDS losses last year, and that isn’t exactly a new problem.

Since the Brewers got to Game 7 of the NLCS against the Dodgers in 2018, they’ve made the playoffs six times out of seven chances. But once there, Milwaukee is 5-16 in individual games and 1-6 in playoff series, having averaged just 2.52 runs scored per game.

And yet, there is no bat comparable to Skubal on the market. This is, for all intents and purposes, the guy.

Still, why should these two teams outbid the Dodgers (“Dodgers” being understood to mean any high-payroll recidivist contender)?

Two reasons. First: They can.

The Brewers and Rays are considered to be two of the better-run franchises in baseball. Having been to both Milwaukee and St. Petersburg, I can say that I like both cities quite a bit. But my personal ranking of America’s cities seems to prioritize cheap beer and fried fish more than the national consensus does. More’s the pity; suffice it to say neither the Rays, nor the Brewers play in one of the league’s glamor markets.

I’m usually one to make the argument that most owners can spend more than they do. Both Brewers owner Mark Attanasio and Rays owner Patrick Zalupski became billionaires not by the sweat of their own brow, but by managing and brokering stocks and real estate, respectively. And both of their clubs are heavily subsidized by national TV money and revenue sharing.

All the same, even I’ll concede that the Brewers and Rays play the free agent market from a position of disadvantage. Perhaps not as great a disadvantage as Rob Manfred and the owners are claiming in the leadup to the seemingly inevitable lockout, but a meaningful disadvantage nonetheless.

But while the Brewers and Rays could be outbid for Skubal in free agency, money is not an issue here. If Skubal gets traded at the deadline, the team that picks him up will have to pay the last $9.4 million and change of his 2026 salary. Even Attanasio or Zalupski could scare that cash up on short notice.

The currency that matters for a Skubal suitor, right now, is prospects. And both the Brewers and Rays are rich in young talent.

Prospects in System by Future Value Grade
Team Top Prospect Ordinal Rank FV ≥ 60 FV ≥ 55 FV ≥ 50 FV ≥ 45 FV ≥ 40 FV ≥ 35+
ARI NR 0 0 0 9 42 59
ATH 6 1 1 1 7 26 38
ATL 33 0 0 2 8 25 40
BAL 54 0 0 2 11 41 64
BOS 2 1 2 5 8 29 47
CHC 47 0 0 4 8 25 37
CHW 19 0 1 3 5 26 40
CIN 20 0 1 1 6 29 42
CLE 11 0 1 6 13 37 46
COL 41 0 0 5 12 33 49
DET 5 1 2 4 8 32 51
HOU 69 0 0 1 8 22 34
KCR 42 0 0 5 6 28 40
LAA 55 0 0 3 7 28 36
LAD 17 0 3 8 15 40 66
MIA 9 1 1 4 10 34 54
MIL 1 1 2 6 15 35 52
MIN 4 1 2 7 9 35 54
NYM 94 0 0 1 7 28 48
NYY 18 0 1 4 9 21 33
PHI 21 0 2 3 7 25 41
PIT 8 0 1 4 14 38 53
SDP 12 0 1 1 4 18 30
SEA 3 1 2 6 8 16 41
SFG 31 0 0 5 13 31 50
STL 24 0 2 3 13 36 57
TBR 15 0 2 7 24 47 64
TEX 13 0 1 3 8 29 44
TOR 44 0 0 3 7 30 39
WSN 7 1 2 5 9 35 45

The Brewers have the no. 1 prospect in baseball, Jesús Made, who’s not moving for a rental. But the Brewers also have five other Top 100 Prospects who can be traded without knocking the head off their farm system.

The top of the Rays system has a few awkward fits for a Skubal trade. Top prospect Grady Emerson, this year’s no. 2 overall pick, can’t be traded until after the season. Tampa Bay also has tremendous top-end catching depth: Caden Bodine and Nathan Flewelling are two of the top 12 trade-eligible catching prospects in the entire minors. But that might not be too enticing for the Tigers, who have Dillon Dingler under team control through 2030 and probably won’t follow up a Skubal trade with a teardown.

Nevertheless, the Rays have other Top 100 Prospects to deal with, and more depth than any other system in baseball. There are 24 prospects in the Tampa Bay system with a future value grade of 45 or better. No other team has more than 15 such prospects; only nine other teams have 10. The Tigers aren’t going to trade Skubal for 10 future platoon bats or no. 5 starters, but the Rays could offer Detroit’s scouts their pick of that middle tier rather than trying to force a fit.

The second reason the Rays or Brewers should outbid the Dodgers, or any Dodger-like suitor, is more normative.

If the Brewers stay on their current pace, this will be the ninth consecutive full season in which they’ve won at least 86 games. The Rays are on course to return to the playoffs after a two-year hiatus, but before that they made five straight trips to the postseason. And despite how people talk about this team, the Rays are always competitive. Since 2008, the Rays have had 12 winning seasons and nine playoff appearances in 18 seasons — soon to be 13 and 10, respectively, in 19 seasons. Over that time, they’ve had just one season with more than 85 losses.

From a diehard fan’s standpoint, I actually think that a consistent record of competitiveness is massively underrated. Rays and Brewers fans show up to Opening Day every year with a reasonable expectation of being in the pennant race. Therefore, when they turn on the TV or go through the turnstile six nights a week, they do so knowing their team has a good chance of winning, and that each game will mean something.

Having lived through hopeless slogs of losing seasons across many sports, there’s something to be said for the knowledge that your team is unlikely to embarrass you on a given night. The consistent microdose of joy over a winning regular season sometimes outweighs the peaky highs of the playoffs.

But every so often, you’ve got to make a serious run at a championship. I’ve mentioned the Brewers’ difficulty in getting over the hump; outside of the Rays’ two runs to the World Series, they’ve won a total of two playoff rounds in franchise history, both one-game Wild Card matchups.

Making the playoffs is great, but it starts to get monotonous when you lose quickly every year. An occasional deep run keeps existing fans invested and draws new ones in. And while trading for Skubal guarantees nothing, making the effort often has a similar effect. Since we’re talking about the Brewers: Milwaukee lost in the first round in 2008, and CC Sabathia did not pitch well in his only postseason start. But where does Sabathia’s half-season in Milwaukee place him on a ranking of popular Brewers of the 21st Century?

Don’t believe me? Ask Blue Jays fans about the David Price trade. Or older Astros fans about Randy Johnson. Ask Phillies fans about Roy Halladay, even though they accomplished less in his two prime seasons with the club than they had in the two years prior.

Small market has nothing to do with it. Rental has nothing to do with it. There is only the cost in prospects, the question of whether the team is good enough to make a trade worth it, and the will to capitalize when opportunity presents itself.

Both the Brewers and Rays have those first two criteria in abundance. Whether one of them has the third is the question that could define this season for everyone.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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marinmccoveysMember since 2026
10 days ago

This. 1000x, this.

darren
9 days ago
Reply to  marinmccoveys

I disagree. I say this divided by a million!

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
8 days ago
Reply to  darren

“My dad can beat up your dad!”

wiguy94Member since 2025
10 days ago

How does market size not make a difference when it’s much more necessary for small market teams to build their rosters from within prioritizing team control and cost controlled years? It’s much easier for a big market team to trade away a big package for a rental when they are capable of re-signing said rental and are capable of going out replacing the prospects that traded out by signing players in FA.

sadhulkMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  wiguy94

It’s also that the names being rumored by the Dodgers and Cubs as returns for Skubal are blocked at the major league level because of how they spend in free agency. A small market team would have constructed their roster to give Zyhir Hope and James Tibbs a shot this year instead of signing Kyle Tucker.

andrewscott80Member since 2024
10 days ago

How much does Tarik Skubal increase the CS / WS odds of the Rays and Brewers, respectively? Without knowing that, the “get Skubal and go win a World Series” argument is just vibes.

Eamus CatuliMember since 2026
10 days ago
Reply to  andrewscott80

I’d also like to see this.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  andrewscott80

“Vibes” is very on brand for this author.

carterMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And there is nothing wrong with that. Having some variety is good

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  carter

Hah! Was about to say the same

airforce21oneMember since 2026
9 days ago
Reply to  carter

Yes, we all came here not for rational analysis but for vibes

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  carter

We can agree to disagree. Can’t argue with someone’s opinions on something like that (I guess I could but it would be weird).

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
9 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

None but your own inner demon is compelling you to comment on all the articles on the site, including the ones you don’t like.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

It is my own inner demon! I’m doing better with not reading Baumann for this reason because it’s bad for me too, but I slipped up.

drewcorbMember since 2026
9 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

That’s so interesting; Baumann is one of my favorite writers here! I look at leaderboards here and at Baseball Savant myself all the time, so I don’t like reading someone else who just reports on various statistics. I really enjoy Baumann’s articles because they are original thoughts coming from someone else who has a shared interest in sabermetrics.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
8 days ago
Reply to  drewcorb

I really enjoy Baumann’s articles because they are original thoughts 

Yes, finally a writer that talks about how rich owners are bad. I’ve been waiting for some one to finally say this around here!

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
9 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yes, it’s far better for every writer on FG to have a similar viewpoint on everything.

GInfinityMember since 2024
9 days ago
Reply to  carter

Agreed. I’m here for even the brief hope that Skubal doesn’t just go to the Dodgers.

jdbolickMember since 2024
9 days ago
Reply to  carter

I’m cool with variety when I can understand its value. To me, Baumann articles are all quips and references with very little if any insightful content. I would expect that a hipster website like The Ringer where everyone wants to be the cleverest, but it’s an odd fit at FanGraphs.

If one of the other writers produced this exact column, don’t you think they would have provided the numbers on how adding Skubal would affect the World Series odds for these teams? Isn’t that exactly the kind of data driven analysis that this website is supposed to be about?

I accept that I am in the minority on this. If Baumann draws clicks and memberships for FanGraphs then I hope he stays forever because I do value this website and I want it to continue existing.

LaBellaVitaMember since 2018
10 days ago
Reply to  andrewscott80

Every calculation I have seen says it is in the noise. Usually in the noise of randomness and probably in the noise of the system. Virtually all rentals are. Rentals are meant to give the fans more hope.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
9 days ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

Do calculations do well with match ups? Dodgers wRC+ is 101 vs LHP (117 vs RHP). That should materially boost the likelihood of whoever picks up Skubal at beating the Dodgers right?

And if Atlanta picked him up, that’d be 4 games vs two of the best (the two best?) Lefties in the game.

Do models get to the handedness level of detail?

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
9 days ago
Reply to  andrewscott80

If we’re going to go down that road with that line of thinking, why make any trade at all? Why even bother trying to improve?

Rick LipinskiMember since 2026
10 days ago

CC’s money continues to be no good in Milwaukee. Legend.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
9 days ago
Reply to  Rick Lipinski

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a (reverence/time on team) ratio as high as CC’s in Wisconsin. He’s probably not top 5, but I don’t think it’d be an exaggeration to say he’s in the top 10 most revered Brewers (by Brewers fans) of all time.

darren
9 days ago
Reply to  Rick Lipinski

Read my comment below. CC is a legend in a way that Skubal cannot possibly be if he’s dealt to one of these teams, due to the circumstances of the teams involved. Sabathia carried them through a tight race to win the wild card on the last day of the season. Skubal will be carefully managed and rested as his team coasts into the playoffs.

FGM
10 days ago

David Price is still the epitome of what an ace is to my very casual Jays fan friends. The very casual sports fans of Milwaukee deserve that (the fans of Tampa deserve nothing)

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago

Great. Tomorrow’s headline on MLBTR will be “Dodgers acquire Tarik Skubal for their 5th and 6th best prospects.”

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
10 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You ever read the comment section over there? Just absolutely brain dead takes left and right. Makes me appreciate the hell out of what we have over here.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

I did once, it was pretty wild.

warpath
10 days ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

My favorite comment I’ve ever read there was under the PCA extension when someone said “PCA needs to be more professional, he’s never going to win anything with that hoop earring”, and somebody responded “Yeah, no Chicago athlete has ever won anything with a hoop earring…”

Thatguy47
9 days ago
Reply to  warpath

“PCA needs to be less antisemitic, he’s never going to win anything with that Hitler mustache.”

“Yeah, no Chicago athlete has ever won anything with a Hitler mustache.”

MikeSMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  Francoeurstein

MLBTR is a great site as long as you never, ever, EVER, read the comments.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
10 days ago
Reply to  MikeS

I think it’s the incentive. One is inventivized to churn out a shitload of free content and it’s a lot of rumor. Its low hanging fruit and needs to grab attention. Fangraphs you pay for and see charts and….well…graphs.

Like the difference between Fox News or any other cable/free/high quantity content merchant and The Economist.

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  MikeS

I like MlBTR and frequently read the comments. Yeah it can be tough, not like here.
But I occasionally piss into the wind and try to inject some equanimity into the comments myself. Someone has to do it, even if no one’s listening.

David Klein
9 days ago
Reply to  MikeS

Yes, agreed. I have the mlbtr app and appreciate the writing and swiftness of the breaking news but the comment section is a tire fire.

TransmissionMember since 2017
9 days ago
Reply to  David Klein

I also will tip the cap to the writing and swiftness– I’ve read MLBTR for a long time and the quality of writing and analysis and the reliability of who and what they’re sourcing for their info has improved greatly in recent years. The comments are still…yeah what everyone has already said.

The one non-FG site that I still miss for quality commenting is Baseball Think Factory.

timtomakethedonutsMember since 2025
9 days ago
Reply to  Transmission

i miss the comments at fjm, but i’m old.

Last edited 9 days ago by timtomakethedonuts
David Klein
9 days ago
Reply to  Transmission

I first started reading Dan’s article over there decades ago.

TKDCMember since 2016
9 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If you put on your tin foil hat then you just know mlb wants to orchestrate him to the dodgers and another World Series to advance their constructed bargaining position. What happens to their “it’s not fair” crying if the Rays win it all?

branflakesMember since 2024
10 days ago

The Brewers just made a deep run last year. The strategy of 25 10% shots at a WS is sound, and just because it hasnt resulted in a WS yet, doesnt mean it should be abandoned, especially when the Brewers plus Skubal are still dogs in an NLCS against LAD

Last edited 10 days ago by branflakes
bawfuls
10 days ago
Reply to  branflakes

Trading for Skubal helps the Brewers in a potential NLCS matchup against the Dodgers in two ways: he pitches for them and they also don’t have to face him pitching for the Dodgers.

carterMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  bawfuls

I think this is a good point. Playoff series are inherently random but having Skubal looking for a big pay day on your team and not against you is a big deal to me at least. It’s less that he might only change win World Series x % which is true, but also subtracting him from the team you are most likely to have to get through is big, also

airforce21oneMember since 2026
9 days ago
Reply to  bawfuls

That logic also applies to trading prospects away. Not only do the Brewers lose the prospects, but the prospects end up playing for another team

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  airforce21one

This is why I don’t understand why people wring their hands over trading a rental within the division. The concern should be going in the other direction.

The Tigers should be totally fine with sending their rentals to the White Sox, Guardians, or Twins. It is those teams that should be freaked out about trading their favorite prospects to the Tigers.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
9 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Exactly right. If you’re selling, it’s because you are out this year at least, but probably more. Why not deplete the future of your direct competitors and help them in the now when it doesn’t matter at all.

darren
9 days ago
Reply to  branflakes

And how much does Skubal even increase that 10% chance? How much do the departing prospects reduce that chance in the years that follow?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago

Look, this is just not how the Rays or Brewers (or Dodgers, or Yankees) operate. They don’t say “we’re going to get someone.” They say “these prospects aren’t in our plans, let’s see what upgrades we can get.”

In the Rays case they might actually be able to land Skubal with their leftovers. They have nearly a dozen legitimate prospects who are either already on the 40 man roster or who need to be protected this winter. The Brewers and Dodgers might be in that scenario too. But you can be sure that if one of those teams lands Skubal it is not because they took the advice and went all in, it’s because they needed to manage their 40 man roster.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
9 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

This is too smart by half, there are easy examples of those teams pushing in some chips beyond simple farm system/40 man roster management. LAD acquiring Trea Turner & Scherzer, Rays acquiring Nelson Cruz. They’re not gonna do it every year, but it’s more nuanced than your reductionist narrative.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

Yeah, because they had the surplus to do it. Take a look at who they traded and their 40-man roster status / Rule 5 timelines at that point. When have the Rays or Dodgers traded prospects that were not bumping up against roster limits for big upgrades? The only examples I can think of were for minor upgrades (the Dodgers trading Yordan Alvarez and Oneil Cruz) that came back to bite them later.

(The Brewers used to take risks but the guy making the call on that is now in New York)

I think the Rays are going to make a splash somehow, but I am pretty convinced it’s not because they are “going for it.” It’s because they have three guys sitting in the upper minors who are too good to DFA and not good enough to play in the majors (Williams, Melton, Areinamo) with an unbelievable number of decent-to-good prospects who need Rule 5 protection. I kid you not: They are going to have to find room for Brody Hopkins, Michael Forret, Ty Johnson, Jackson Baumeister, Santiago Suarez, Gary Gill Hill, Brayden Taylor, and Tre Morgan. That’s 11 guys and I somehow doubt they protect more than six of them this winter.

It would be super interesting if they did trade Theo Gillen or Cadine Bodine, and if they do that would definitely mean I am wrong about what they are going to do. Maybe they do something like that in a deal for Zach Neto or Otto Lopez? But if they stick to form, they’re going to trade between 5 to 8 of those 11 players, and that’s primarily going to be what they’re going to use for upgrades.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
9 days ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

Who else beside Cruz, though?

Last edited 9 days ago by drewsylvania
naxos41
10 days ago

It has been reported that the Dodgers are Skubal’s favorite landing spot in free agency. The Dodgers could pursue an extension and trade deal similar to the one they did with Glasnow. The Brewers also have strong incentives to make this deal because they could expect a much bigger return than they would get from a half season rental. If the price is right, even Boras may be willing to go this route.

whatmonster
9 days ago
Reply to  naxos41

Unless someone has brain-swapped Scott Boras and Ozzie Albies’ agent, there is 0% chance that Skubal signs an extension with anyone 3 months before hitting free agency.

whatmonster
9 days ago
Reply to  naxos41

Unless someone has brain-swapped Scott Boras and Ozzie Albies’ agent, there is 0% chance that Skubal signs an extension with anyone 3 months before hitting free agency.

jdbolickMember since 2024
10 days ago

It’s difficult to see anyone outbidding the Dodgers for Skubal simply because L.A. has so many outfield prospects and nowhere to put them. If not for that, Tampa would be a plausible alternative given their deep system and the reports that they tried to acquire Ohtani in 2023, but Milwaukee is a non-starter.

The Brewers don’t make impulsive, all-in moves. They’re hyper focused on resource management with arguably the best player development in baseball. Milwaukee was already the smallest market in MLB before they had to deal with their RSN media deal evaporating. The prospects they would need to deal for Skubal are the ones they’re counting on to fill out a roster that is almost never supplemented by expensive free agents.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

I mostly agree. The Brewers aren’t a great fit because the Tigers are looking for guys who can contribute in 2027, or 2028 at the latest. A lot of the Brewers are exciting prospects aren’t in that category, and they really are counting on the ones who are.

The only reason I wouldn’t completely agree is that I am not sure how far in the Dodgers and Rays are willing to go. The Dodgers’ prospects don’t have to be protected for another year and the Rays have a whole bunch of places they need to upgrade. It is possible that the Tigers don’t get a blowout offer, which would open the door for the Brewers and Braves.

carterMember since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Wouldn’t they likely trade a decent pitcher off of their current roster, though? Wasn’t that sort of the idea?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  carter

I don’t think the Dodgers are super high on Sheehan, and I think others must share that opinion because there’s been a lot of Sheehan / Zyhir Hope mock trades proposed.

But who knows, maybe the Dodgers actually love Sheehan (or Wrobleski, or whoever) and wouldn’t do it. I’ve seen no actual reporting suggesting the Dodgers would be willing to give up any of their prospects or younger players except for Ryan Ward, who doesn’t have a ton of value.

The only thing I’m pretty sure about is that they’re going to do something to clear up the outfield logjam in the upper minors because they don’t have room to play De Paula, Sirota, Quintero, Hope, Tibbs, Davalan, Ehrhard, and Kendall George at AAA and AA. But I could see them moving Ehrhard and George rather than Hope and Tibbs like everyone is suggesting.

I also think there is a better chance than not of them trading one of Ferris, Serwinowski, and Zazueta. But it’s easier to stash extra pitchers who aren’t quite ready on the 40 man roster in AAA because you need spot starters and up and down relievers there anyway.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
9 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

If years of control matter more for Tampa and Milwaukee, I’d think they’d be calling Cincinnati about Greene.

carterMember since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I meant the Brewers trading off a current pitcher, like Sproat, Patrick, Drohan. That is what I read prior, i.e they would want Skubal, but the Tigers were wanting a current MLB SP also, too.

booneyOMember since 2024
10 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

It’s funny because if any team should cut loose and (potentially) wildly overpay in prospects for skubal, as Michael suggests, it wouldn’t necessarily be the brewers/rays — it would be the one with a top 3 farm system, a ~$400m payroll, and two straight championships looking for a three-peat

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  booneyO

Plus give themselves an early opportunity to extend him!
But do they fit Detroit’s needs?
Trades and FA for teams in the Tigers position, unlike the draft or for rebuilding clubs, are much more about that.

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  jdbolick

It seems to me this discussion should also focus on some of what the Tigers need to maintain their competitive window going forward in return for Skubal, and who can give that.
First & very foremost that is starting pitching. Skubal, Mize, & Flaherty are all FAs. They hope Olson and Jones can help next year but that doesn’t fill the need. Next is a solid IF with Torres leaving and/or perhaps an upgrade on Tork. Probably pen help, then probably an OF, but they just brought up Clark who may well be better than anything the Dodgers could offer from THEIR (not Detroit’s) OF glut.
Who can best fill some of Detroit’s needs, also in light of the large amounts of payroll being freed there to also address those needs in FA ($80 million just from the 4 mentioned above), may be best positioned.
And it may not be in the Tigers’ best interest to trade Skubal to LA, handing them the opportunity to extend him on a silver platter should they still have hopes of possibly resigning him, futile as that may seem to us.
I agree with Baumann that Mil & TB should take this shot – flags fly forever and all that – and while some of the projected playoff value of Skubal could have enhanced the argument, don’t we all expect it would be significant absent other changes? But I suspect other suitors will also emerge like the Braves, Cubs, and White Sox among others seeking that flag opportunity.
Heck maybe Detroit will even play 3D chess and trade him to the White Sox, simultaneously weakening their division foes’ for the future.

PemtlcMember since 2026
10 days ago

Apropos of nothing, but every time I see Dillon Dingler’s name, I think that’s exactly how Dr Steve Brule would introduce someone named David Dawson.

MichaelMember since 2017
10 days ago
Reply to  Pemtlc

“Sweet Berry Wine!”

achidesterMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  Pemtlc

He’s just a hunk!

MikeSMember since 2020
10 days ago

Maybe this isn’t how the Brewers operate, but a playoff rotation with Mis and Skubal would be fun to watch.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  MikeS

Part of the reason why people are so into this is that the Rays, Brewers, and Braves are all definitely underdogs against the Dodgers. But with Skubal in the Braves or Brewers rotation suddenly there is a visible path to beating the Dodgers. They would still be underdogs, but it’s there.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
10 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Is there more of an incentive for ATL/MIL as well since they’re fighting for the bye? LAD is too of course, but the chances they get one is much higher.

Although I dont think ATL has the prospect depth and also dont think AA would trade someone like Hartman.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 days ago

ATL absolutely has the prospect depth to do this if they wanted to, and their front office is one of the more aggressive ones in MLB.

Even with Hartman off the table they could offer Owen Murphy or JR Ritchie (whoever the Tigers like better, I’m real down on Ritchie personally) plus a higher end type prospect like Southsiene or Caminiti, plus a couple tertiary guys like John Gil, Alex Lodise, Luis Guanipa, Luke Sinnard, Owen Carey, etc.

So something like:
+Ritchie or Murphy (whoever the Tigers like better)
+Caminiti or Southsiene
+If it’s Southsiene, then one of Guanipa / Carey.
+If it’s Caminiti, then both of Gil and Sinnard

I don’t know if they want to do this though, they could just as easily decide they would rather take that prospect capital and trade for Jose Soriano, Reid Detmers, Casey Mize, etc instead.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago

The more I think about the more I think I would be surprised if the Rays won the bidding for Skubal. This team is going to have a bye because much of the rest of the AL totally collapsed but they have a *lot* of holes.

Their outfield is not good at all, and neither is their middle infield. I think they’re one of the few teams that is properly motivated to trade for someone like Otto Lopez or Neto, and they seem almost certain to come out of the deadline with a new second baseman as well like Arraez or Gleyber Torres.

They definitely need at least one outfielder, so each of Moniak, Jake McCarthy, or Nootbar could be in play for them.

And maybe that leaves enough left over to go after Skubal, but if not they could still swing a deal for a strong but less elite arm like Casey Mize, Sandy Alcantara, or Dustin May.

This team needs another starter, at least one more outfielder, and a new middle infield. I don’t know that Skubal is necessarily how they would like to spend their prospect capital.

LaBellaVitaMember since 2018
10 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Their outfield is not good at all, 

This season: 11th by fWAR. And it has improved noticeably since Victor Mesa Jr. was called up. But I do agree the middle infield is where they require significant improvement. I also agree I simply do not see the Rays blowing $9M on a modest improvement to the team’s SP situation. If anything, it should be the bullpen that requires a makeover.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

I actually think their bullpen is going to be fine simply because Jax and Martinez can move to the bullpen on the playoffs. But that requires another starter.

I also don’t really think I believe in Victor Mesa or Ryan Vilade to do anything like what they have done so far going forward. But who knows, maybe they figure they will ride the hot hand.

Part of the issue is that I think they really like Chandler Parsons in left field. But his lack of power scares me a whole lot. With his speed he should be easily running .340 BABIPs but his contact quality is so bad it’s 20 points below that.

Kody KralleMember since 2022
10 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s funny that you made a typo with Parsons considering he is very much an opposite of chandler simpson. Tall, white, & ofc a basketball player lol.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  Kody Kralle

That is funny! I’ve been playing a ton of 82-0 lately, I blame that.

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
9 days ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Whether you believe in him or not, clearly the Rays organizationally believed in Vilade as a major league quality platoon bat, given how they acquired him last year and have had him on the big league roster all year. Mesa, on the other hand, feels much more surprising and opportunistic.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  O'Kieboomer

The Rays are probably fine rolling with a platoon in at least one outfield spot and maybe two.

Let’s say they believe in Jonny deLuca and Ryan Vilade as right handed platoon options. I’m skeptical of the latter but maybe they’re not.

Let’s also say that they think Chandler Simpson is one of those everyday guys. I also am skeptical of that but it is definitely clear the Rays don’t agree with me there.

Let’s say that Mesa is one of the left handed platoon guys.

But that leaves one more spot, because I find it hard to believe they could possibly run Mullins out there as their third left handed bat or everyday guy.

I don’t necessarily know that there is a high-end outfielder available or that they would even want to go for one with the issues in the middle infield taking precedence. But it feels like they can’t possibly avoid adding a player like Moniak, Nootbaar, or Jake McCarthy.

NYYfaninLAAlandMember since 2020
10 days ago
Reply to  LaBellaVita

Not sure I’d characterize Skubal as a “modest improvement” over Nick Martinez or Griffin Jax in a playoff roster, because that’s who he’d be replacing by pushing everyone down a notch.
But I also agree that Tampa has other needs to address, as Sad Trombone outlined, that may preclude Skubal as 1 of their additions.
Much has been made of their pursuit of Ohtani as demonstrating a willingness to take big swings. I’m not 100% certain that wasn’t another “We Tried” PR pose to an extent. But it’s a new owner now so guess we’ll see

NATS FanMember since 2018
10 days ago

The Brewers would have to play the dodgers at some point. But, this is great advice for the Rays. The Al pennant is wide open.

Antonio BananasMember since 2026
9 days ago
Reply to  NATS Fan

And getting the best LHP to start 2 games when the Dodgers have a 101 wRC+ vs lefties (117 vs righties) is pretty big.

It also means they wouldnt gave to face him.

myartman
9 days ago

This could work for the Rays given that the AL is lousy and there isn’t a single team there that has shown itself to be better than them. The idea for Mil would be to have Skubal start against the Dodgers instead of for them, which is a doubled effect. Mil at least can extend its more stellar prospects. Tampa only has disposable players, and so giving prospects for one year damages a model on which they depend more than any other team. I wonder, honestly, if LA trades for and extends Skubal only to trade away Glasnow to a contender to recoup prospect capital. LA might sell to another playoff team whom they’ll face. Would be a first.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
9 days ago

Both Brewers owner Mark Attanasio and Rays owner Patrick Zalupski became billionaires not by the sweat of their own brow, but by managing and brokering stocks and real estate, respectively.”

Apparently managing real estate isn’t a real job. What’s the point of writing things like this?

O'KieboomerMember since 2021
9 days ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Bold of you to assert that managing real estate isn’t a real job, but I will agree and I consider you brave for saying so.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
9 days ago

Those are mighty strong projects for Griffin Jax for the rest of the year.

nancy rulesMember since 2025
9 days ago

I’m so tired of these types of articles. Easy for non-fans of a team to mortgage the future for better odds in one singular season. The reason the Rays and Brewers are good year in and year out is because the FO is always eyeing long term viability. As a fan I love it I grew up with hopeless garbage baseball year in and year out. The last 9 years of Brewers baseball is engaging nearly every single day. If Skubal does command an MLB ready arm the Brewers and Rays can’t meet that criteria without impeding 2027 strength. Dodger/Yankees/Joe Big Market can give up a River Ryan and just sign a new arm. There are ripple effect to making those types of deals and as much as we all want to live in “All Owners can afford to sign whoever” world we don’t. Im happy to see the Dodgers go more all in this year its an old team going to make it that much sweeter when they lose.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
9 days ago

In the Rays’ case (I swear this is not meant as snark), I wonder if they have determined that the marginal value of adding a marquee player for a prospect haul isn’t worth it, because they have always had very few fans anyway (except for their debut year), regardless of how well they’ve done during the season. Maybe Skubal would tip that scale, but I doubt it would move the needle that much attendance-wise or viewership-wise.

If they won the WS, how many more fans would attend/watch/buy merch? They’re not signing Skubal even if they traded for him. The park is an atrocity in every conceivable way. Yes, supposedly new park is coming in 2029, but it’s at least three years away (and they broke off their last new-park arrangement).

kenkenkenMember since 2021
9 days ago

Both teams are revenue sharing recipients as well, which means if he leaves with rejecting the QO, they will receive a comp A pick that comes at the end of the 1st round in next years draft (and the bonus pool allotment associated with that pick).

wiguy94Member since 2025
9 days ago
Reply to  kenkenken

You can’t offer QO to players you acquire mid-season.

kenkenkenMember since 2021
9 days ago
Reply to  wiguy94

Did not realize that. My bad

RMD4
9 days ago

The Rays are also playing in the worst group of teams the AL has ever fielded. Now is their opportunity to be a team that’s actually feared in the postseason. I mean, they don’t have two postseason wins to rub together since the pandemic bubble postseason!

If they were the high bidders for Shohei in 2023 (reports say they were), then they should do the similar move in getting the two-time defending AL Cy Young winner. What they are now is the team that’s only been good enough to get there and not much else. They have the motive, means, and opportunity and they should pull the trigger.

darren
9 days ago

Here’s the thing: I don’t think the Dodgers or Phillies (or Braves, or Red Sox, or Yankees, or any other big-budget contender) should trade for Skubal…. And in contrast to some big-market contenders — including but not limited to the Dodgers — Skubal represents a step change over the pitchers he’d be replacing for both the Rays and Brewers. That holds true in both a five- or six-man regular-season rotation or a four-man playoff rotation.

I don’t see a huge gap between what Skubal would mean to the Rays/Brewers and what he’d do for some of these other teams. First, let’s dismiss any talk of his impact on the regular season. Both the Brewers and Rays are 99%+ locks to make the playoffs, better than anyone on here besides the Dodgers (the Braves are 98.4%, so close enough). Skubal would help the playoff chances of the Phillies, Red Sox, and Yankees a lot more than they would the Brewers or Rays.

For the playoffs, you would expect Skubal to slot in at the top of the rotation, pushing everyone else down, and bumping the #4 altogether.

Here’s a comparison of the ROS #4 starter projections from FG Depth Charts:

Rays: Jax 3.46 FIP
Brewers: Patrick 4.21 FIP
Dodgers: Wrobleski ~4.19 FIP (assuming Glasnow/Snell aren’t back)
Phillies: Nola 4.16 FIP
Braves: Lopez 3.99 FIP
Red Sox: Sandoval 4.02 FIP (assuming Crochet isn’t back)
Yankees: Weathers 3.88 FIP

From this, it looks like the Rays have the least to gain from adding him to the top of their rotation, by a big margin. Even if McClanahan is still out, the Rays would replace Seymour’s 4.25 FIP instead.

And that would put them pretty much even with the rest of these teams. They all stand to replace a 4-ish FIP with a top 5 pitcher in the game.

darren
9 days ago

I don’t have the info or math skills to determine how much this would impact the Brewers’ or Rays’ World Series chances. The Rays currently sit at 6.6% to win it all, the Brewers at 9.9%. For the sake of argument, let’s say it adds 50% to each of their odds. What is an extra 3.3% worth to the Rays or an extra 5% worth to the Brewers?

It’s hard to tell from your article what exactly you’re proposing would be in the deal, but I’m guessing it’s not a 1-for-1 deal. So maybe one top prospect and one further down the list in the top 100?

Rays: #16, 55 FV Gillen, #88, 50 FV Forret
Brewers: #26, 55 FV Pena, #89 50 FV Hardin

Both of these teams rely heavily on developing their own talent so they can compete every year. Would it make sense for either of them to deal away some of their top talent for a 3-5% higher chance to win the World Series?

g4Member since 2020
9 days ago
Reply to  darren

Counterpoint: Will any of those individual prospects increase their team’s probability of winning a World Series in any of the next 6 seasons by 5%?

Sure, they will accrue more regular season WAR over that stretch than a departing free agent. But is the goal to show off multi-year WAR totals or win a championship? Aces and sluggers make outsized impacts in October.

darren
9 days ago

“Since we’re talking about the Brewers: Milwaukee lost in the first round in 2008, and CC Sabathia did not pitch well in his only postseason start. But where does Sabathia’s half-season in Milwaukee place him on a ranking of popular Brewers of the 21st Century?”

I cannot imagine a more different scenario from the Skubal situation. When the Brewers acquired Sabathia on July 7, they were a 1/2 game out of the wild card. Over the rest of the season, Sabathia carried them, leading the NL in both CG and SHO and posting 4.9 WAR (6th among NL pitchers), despite pitching less than 1/2 a season in that league. He repeatedly pitched on 3 days rest, including the last game of the season. On that day, he threw a CGSO to clinch their playoff spot.

The Rays and Brewers are virtual locks for the playoffs. If either team acquired Skubal, he would pitch every 5 or 6 days with a skipped start or two as they coasted toward the postseason. If Skubal didn’t pitch well in the playoffs and his team got bounced, I don’t think we’d be seeing any statues of him built.

burrwickMember since 2017
7 days ago

Well this aged poorly.