The Red Sox and Pirates Find Equilibrium in ‘Password’ Deal

The Red Sox and Pirates made a roster-balancing deal Thursday night as a prologue to Winter Meetings, with a five-player swap headlined by outfield prospect Jhostynxon Garcia (who heads to Pittsburgh) and pitchers Johan Oviedo and Tyler Samaniego (who head to Boston). Here’s the complete trade:
Pittsburgh receives:
OF Jhostynxon Garcia
RHP Jesus Travieso
Boston receives:
RHP Johan Oviedo
LHP Tyler Samaniego
C Adonys Guzman
The broad strokes of the deal are easy to digest because it’s a familiar refrain for recent Pirates trades. Pittsburgh has recently been successful developing pitching to the point where the organization has something of a surplus, but it has struggled to do the same with hitters. Badly. The Pirates have the worst wOBA in baseball since 2020 and have finished at or near the bottom of the league in team offense every year. Their best finish in terms of team wOBA since the pandemic-shortened season was 23rd in 2023. Many of the mid-level and marginal trades the Pirates have made during the last couple of years have been an effort to change that – Spencer Horwitz, Nick Yorke, Billy Cook, etc. – and this deal is no exception. Whether it’s going to work, whether Garcia will be an effective offensive player or not, I’ll get to momentarily.
Conversely, the Red Sox (still) have more outfielders than they know what to do with, to the point where Ceddanne Rafaela, who is one of the best outfield defenders on the planet, is currently projected to be their starting second baseman. Boston’s player development machine under Craig Breslow appears to be well-oiled. It makes sense for them to turn two players into three, and then apply their dev strategies to those guys, especially when doing so clears some of their outfield logjam and adds to their pitching depth.
Let’s talk about the players individually. Garcia, who is somehow still hilariously listed at 163 pounds on his player page, is a very physical and toolsy 22-year-old center fielder with a ferocious swing, but a concerning appetite for chase. He has impressive power to the opposite field gap, which he often needs to access because his swing’s length frequently makes it tough for him to pull fastballs, especially when they’re located lower in the zone. Garcia slashed .276/.340/.470 in a 2025 season spent mostly at Triple-A Worcester, where his K% leapt to 29%. He posted a sub-70% contact rate, in part because he struggles to recognize sliders and lay off elevated fastballs. His chase rates – which are especially bad against fastballs and explode to over 50% with two strikes – are a ruby red flag of volatility.
While Garcia’s tools are big enough that I expect he’ll have some productive power-hitting seasons, chase like this is an indication of year-to-year (probably week-to-week) variability in his performance. The Rafaela, Pete Crow-Armstrong, and Michael Harris II types show us every year that guys who swing at everything run hot and cold for long stretches. Those are three elite defenders who find a way to impact games even when they’re mired in a long slump. Garcia is speedy enough to play center field, but his ball skills are unexceptional and he’s more of a 45- or 50-grade defender out there. As such, I have Garcia in the 45+ FV tier, which means I think he’ll produce like more of a below-average regular in center when you look at his stats across a multi-year sample, but that he’ll probably have a couple peak seasons in there where his production is above average.
Jhostynxon’s nickname (The Password) is outstanding, but I fear it loses some of its juice in a city where sports fans had to spell “Fuamatu-Maʻafala” and “Kasparaitis” for stretches of my childhood.
This is a worthy gamble for the Pirates, they need someone who has a chance to produce a 20-plus-homer season or three during their six years of team control, and while Garcia might have some stinkers mixed in, he projects to do exactly that. It’s likely that the only way Garcia will be able to adjust to big league stuff and become more selective is through exposure, which now he’ll almost assuredly get with the Pirates, probably right away. It would have taken a slew of injuries for that to happen in Boston.
The Pirates also got a hard-throwing teenage (likely) relief prospect in Jesus Travieso, who worked 64 innings across 19 appearances (16 starts) at the Red Sox complex and A-ball rosters in 2025 and posted a 3.06 ERA. He brings serious heat for an 18-year-old. He’ll touch 100 and be parked around 95 for as many as five innings at a time. He leans more on his mid-80s slider to throw strikes, dumping them into the top of the zone to get ahead before trying to rip his fastball past hitters at the belt and above.
Travieso’s size and high-effort delivery are bullpen indicators. He’s 5-foot-11, of narrow build, and has a short-striding delivery dependent on trunk tilt and arm speed to generate all that velo. He’s a nice, young pitching prospect who has some chance to be a late-inning reliever down the road, though a middle-inning outcome is more likely.
The Red Sox got back Johan Oviedo, a big Cuban righty who came up through the Cardinals system and debuted as a reliever there before he was sent to Pittsburgh in 2022 as part of the Jose Quintana trade. The Pirates tried to upcycle Oviedo into a starter and it kind of worked in 2023, but he has missed most of the past two seasons due to multiple injuries. At his best, Oviedo will pitch with comfortably plus breaking stuff and a fastball that plays below its raw mid-90s velocity. It’s fair to wonder whether the Red Sox can coax another gear out of him (they tend to max out the pitchers they acquire), but more likely Oviedo is in the mix for lower-leverage relief duty.
Both Oviedo and lefty Tyler Samaniego are fairly likely to play a role on Boston’s pitching staff in 2026, with Samaniego occupying a lefty specialist spot. He spent two years at a junior college before transferring to South Alabama, where he barely pitched because of the pandemic. The Pirates turned him into a prospect, but he has missed much of the last couple of seasons with injury. He has a loose, deceptive delivery and was throwing harder this year than in the past, more often in the 92-96 mph range.
Samaniego’s feel for landing his slider in the zone is much better than his ability to locate it for chase, so he deviates from the typical lefty specialist mold in this regard. His arm speed once portended changeup improvement, which might still happen even though he’s 26, because this guy hasn’t pitched a ton for a prospect of his age. Until that happens, he looks like a high-floored, lower-leverage reliever who’ll spend most of 2026 in Worcester.
Finally, recently drafted Arizona catcher Adonys Guzman has been a personal cheeseball of mine since he was in high school. He’s a bulky backup catching prospect who can really throw, and he loves to snipe baserunners wandering too far off the bag. He cut his strikeout rate in half, to 11%, after transferring from Boston College to U of A, but I don’t expect him to produce like a primary catcher.
In summation, this trade adds immediate depth to Boston’s major league pitching staff via Oviedo and Samaniego. Oviedo’s health is a variable that’s tough to control for and understand from our point of view. If he’s reinserted into a relief role and can pitch like he did in St. Louis right before he was traded, he’ll be a solid middle-inning addition for the Red Sox. Samaniego adds a left-handed presence to their 40-man roster that they lack among pure relievers. Most of the southpaws there are guys I want to see developed as starters for as long as possible, like Kyle Harrison. While Jhostynxon Garcia is definitely the most talented individual in this trade, I caution Pirates fans from thinking they’ve added a long-term star-level piece to their lineup. Garcia is exciting but likely to be streaky and frustrating for long stretches of time. If he’s the quality of player I think he’ll be, he’s still a meaningful upgrade.
Eric Longenhagen is from Catasauqua, PA and currently lives in Tempe, AZ. He spent four years working for the Phillies Triple-A affiliate, two with Baseball Info Solutions and two contributing to prospect coverage at ESPN.com. Previous work can also be found at Sports On Earth, CrashburnAlley and Prospect Insider.
Any offense is better than what they ran in the outfield last year
If the Sox thought Garcia was a blossoming superstar, they wouldn’t have traded him. Oviedo has a chance to help– on a bad team, he’s been average.
i dont think anyone thinks hes a blossoming superstar
Such an interesting and bizarre trade. People seem incredibly optimistic about Oviedo, but I think they’re forgetting that Pittsburgh is legitimately one of the best pitching orgs in the league. I would be surprised if Boston finds a level of command (or two, which he kind of needs) that the Pirates couldn’t.
Also, and this is not based on any sort of evidence, but if a team, especially one that is a lot better at scouting than my team, asks for a player that we just drafted in the middle rounds, I am refusing to trade that player. Boston saw something in Guzman during the scouting process that Pittsburgh didn’t.
Ehh, if Boston thought Guzman was that great, they could have taken him with any of the 5 picks they had before he went off the board.
I’m impressed the Pirates were able to get any prospect of value for Oviedo, who was last seen walking three batters a game in a 4-5 inning stints throughout September and not really getting enough strikeouts to make up for it. I think the Red Sox saw his size and velocity and thought they could get more out of him, but people have been saying that for years and he’ll be 28 next season.
I don’t really see The Password as being a star. There is some precedent for a guy like him to turn in some very good years like Adam Jones and Andy Pages and Ramon Laureano have. He’s probably more Lane Thomas than Randal Grichuk, even if the latter is possible. But I still think that would be a good outcome for the Pirates.
Oviedo just needs to be in the bullpen. He has major league stuff, but not enough command to start.
He throws hard and has a good slider but he doesn’t get swinging strikes. There are some relievers who have been really good without getting a ton of whiffs like Erceg and Robert Suarez and Evan Phillips, so there’s room for him to be a very good reliever if he can walk fewer batters in one inning stints.
I think probably the optimistic case for him is more likely that his stuff ticks up when he only has to pitch one inning at a time and so he gets more whiffs. If he can get the swinging strikes rate up to about 14% from where he has been (about 11.5%) then he’s got setup man potential. But IDK it feels like this is who he is.
How does he not get swinging strike? 30% whiff rate last season which is very good. Chase rates were not great but in zone whiffs were excellent
Did I read the wrong column? I read 11.7%…
Perhaps haha. On savant it says 30% whiff last season. Albeit, before last season he was much lower so who knows
I probably shouldn’t have used whiffs and swinging strikes as synonyms because while a whiff and a swinging strike are synonyms, whiff% has a different denominator than swinging strike%.
The first one is over the number of swings, the second one over number of pitches. So whiff percentage should be higher than swinging strikes unless someone has figured out how to swing multiple times per pitch (Ezequiel Tovar probably has this as his goal for 2026).
A 30% whiff rate is pretty good, while an 11.7% swinging strike rate is pretty average. The discrepancy likely comes about because hitters facing Oviedo have a very low swing percentage, to the point where last year he would have been either last or second to last among qualified starters.
What this says to me is that despite the stuff he is just not fooling hitters, but when they do swing they have a hard time making contact. I suppose that’s better than not fooling batters *and* them making contact when they swing but it’s definitely not something that gives me optimism.
So in conclusion, he is not getting a ton of whiffs even if his whiff% looks good. Which is super weird!
Fair but getting in zone whiff and not getting chase is not necessaily a bad mix. A guy like Joe Ryan has been very successful with that skill set
To be fair, Oviedo was also last seen throwing an absurd fastball with lots of ride, command issues are there but his stuff is tantalizing
Yeah that’s been the book on him for six years now. Teams say if they get their guys to work with him he’ll be fantastic. Maybe this time will be different, and the Red Sox are one of the few teams as good as Pittsburgh in pitching development. But I think this is probably who he is—a legitimate MLB-caliber middle reliever.
His fastball was much better post TJS, which is a wrinkle I’m sure plays into this. I think there was a report they are using him as a starter
Boston has done well with prospects adding velocity and new pitches, but less well with major league pitching. Buehler, May, and Jordan Hicks all came to Boston as projects that Boston couldn’t improve; houck and Crawford improved in year 1 under breslow but suffered injuries. Bello hasn’t really improved or gotten worse. They have a good record the last couple years with minor leaguers but the major league record is mixed at best.
Pirates got 6 years of a better player and 2 prospects (1 with upside 1 depth guy), Red Sox got 2 years of a worse player and 1 depth prospect. If this is the best they could get for Password (hard to believe), why trade him?
You don’t know what Oviedo will do
Because they think they can unlock something in Oviedo and because their prospect was blocked everywhere.
I am always skeptical of thinking you can fix something that other teams have overlooked, at least if it means you have to give up actual prospects to do it. I guess we will see.
Red Sox got two prospects and Pirates got one. I’m guessing you have Travieso as the one with upside… we’ll see.
I’ve watched enough of Oviedo’s career to know that he kills with hope.
I don’t really understand this deal for the red sox. The one thing they need less than young outfielders is pitching depth. They already had plenty of pitchers who could have played the role of low leverage reliever – including Cooper Criswell who was DFA’d to make space for Oviedo and Samaniego on the 40-man roster. I would rather see Hunter Dobbins or Connelly Early or Payton Tolle in that role if they are not in the rotation.
I know, I know, everyone needs pitching depth, but this seems like the wrong return.
I legitimately thought this comment was written by me. Couldn’t agree more.
I think that is a bit underselling Oviedo. Since coming back from TJS, his fastball has gotten significantly more ride and modeled as a really intriguing pitch. At least the reporting is that BOS views him as a starter and thinks he has another gear.
I think this is a classic data vs scouting trade, in that Oviedo has really intriguing pitch data, and is less intruiging scouting wise as in he’s never really put it together + command issues. He’s a guy pitching analytics love and more traditional scouting probably just seems as a reliever
Garcia is kind of the opposite in that he’s a scouting guy… a toolsy top 100 prospect but his underlying data is not really good given his chase/zone whiff/just “okay” top end exit velocities for his kind of profile.
The rare trade where it feels like each GM thinks they just got a home run trade lol
Ya, i was a little surprised how down on Oviedo Eric was. But also Password has no role with the Sox and won’t any time soon. (And opposite field gap power for a righty is a bad fit at fenway)
Another part for the red sox is that, if they think Oviedo can be a solid #4 starter, this potentially opens them to package some pitching in a blockbuster trade. Packaging someone like Early with Duran or Abreu could be really attractive.
We will see, of course.
I find these trades so fascinating because BOS isn’t making this deal based on past performance, they definitely think Oviedo can be a good starter with tweaks.
On the flipside, PIT is probably out on him and is thrilled to get a top 100 for a guy they didn’t think was all that good
Very different evaluation processes something you dont always see in trades
Oviedo amassed a 2.2bWAR in 2023 and, other than control, looked good in 9 starts in 2025. Pittsburgh has to try to add something resembling an offense and their pitching afforded them this opportunity. Skenes, Chandler, Keller, Ashcraft and Barco are the Pirates future. Griffin is arriving soon and taking a chance on Garcia is a really good gamble.
I don’t think Pittsburgh is out on Oviedo as much as he was the best pitcher on their staff to trade in terms of likely return vs. current value to team. He would probably have gone into the year as their #3 starter, but if you want a decent prospect in return and don’t want to lose the upside of Barco, Ashcroft, or Chandler, Oviedo is the ideal trade candidate.
What? The Pirates have at least three starters better than Oviedo in Skenes, Ashcraft, and Keller. If Jared Jones is anything like he was before the injury he will be ahead when he gets back, and Burrows is probably ahead of Oviedo too.
I’m predicting how Cherington and Co. would have set things up. Going into the season, barring injury, the rotation was going to be, Skenes, Keller, probably Oviedo. Then probably Chandler, then Ashcroft/Burrows paired. I think Ashcroft, Chandler, and probably Burrows are all better, but do I think they would have been given a spot ahead of Oviedo in the rotation? I do not.
Oviedo isn’t an obvious target, so the Red Sox clearly have some kind of plan to improve his results. With the usual caveats regarding small samples, Johan has the 18th highest Stuff+ score for fastballs in 2025.
I think the Red Sox understood what they could get in return for a young outfielder and it wasn’t going to be MacKenzie Gore. There wasn’t much doubt that Garcia was going to be traded this off-season with so many proven outfielders under long term control but I saw him as being part of a package. This is quite a bit more than a one for one deal but the headliners both look attractive to their new clubs.
I don’t doubt that the Red Sox believe they got the best possible return for him, but I would have much rather have traded him as the third best piece in a larger deal for a higher impact player.
But who knows, Gore has been inconsistent and Joe Ryan is probably not really available (if we can believe the news reports) and the same might be true of Ketel Marte. It’s entirely possible that he didn’t move the needle on *any* trade.
I love the Password. Exciting talent with an even more exciting nickname. However, I think it’s a good deal for the Red Sox. Increased pitching depth of the major league club while also adding two minor leaguers who may or may not develop into something solid in the future. Ruby red flags or not, I have a gut feeling the Password will unlock greatness in Pittsburgh
I think the Pirates just traded for a right handed Jack Suwinski
there is a fine line between “having some strikeout issues when you reach AAA at age 22,” and being what Suwinski is.
Maybe you end up being right, but Garcia is awfully young to put that kind of low expectation on him.
That’s certainly his floor. Certainly in the range of outcomes. But there’s a big difference here.
This Red Sox fan is completely onboard with this trade. Oviedo is enticing. Question marks, for sure, but I can wrap myself around 5.8 hits/9. There simply wasn’t a place for Garcia in the crowded Red Sox outfield and he wasn’t going to bring back a proven pitcher. At the same time Garcia is exactly the kind of player the Pirates have to shoot for. I could see him developing into the type of big power, low average hitter in the mold of Adolis Garcia which would be a huge get for Pittsburgh.
I just looked over the additional players and all of the auxiliary players appear to be more than mere throw-ins. The more I look the more I like the trade from both sides.
As a Red Sox fan, I have a lot of feelings about this trade. On the surface, I’m not a huge fan. The Password has the most upside of any player in this deal and has a chance to be an everyday center fielder, maybe even make an all-star appearance or two. He certainly has his warts but an adequate center field defender putting up a 116 wRC+ in AAA at 22 gives a lot to dream on. His plate disciple is certainly concerning but, at 22, I think he still has some development ahead of him and I wouldn’t be surprised if he reigns those K’s in over time.
I really don’t think the Sox have this desperate outfield logjam that everyone seems to be so concerned about. Unless you view Yoshida and Kristian Campbell as must start players, which I do not, I don’t see the major concern. With the DH spot, we’ve got 4 outfielders to play 4 positions. And that’s assuming everyone is healthy and performing effectively. Campbell and Nixon could have easily started the year in AAA. If they are crushing it and everyone is healthy and there’s no room on the roster for them, that’s a good problem to have and we can deal with it when necessary but we’re not there at the moment.
As for Oviedo, it depends on how you look at it. All the original sources I was seeing were saying the Sox acquired him to be a starting pitcher which I do not see, at least not out of the gate. I think Eric’s take on this is more accurate and he’s almost certainly destined for the pen. As a starter, he’s probably somewhere between our number 7 and 9. That being said, the more I learn about him, the more upside I’m seeing. He had a .208 BABIP last year which is the lowest mark of anyone that made 5 starts or more. You could say that he got lucky but I think it more points to the fact that he has some nasty stuff. Obviously the control is a concern as a 5.13 BB/9 is pretty putrid. That being said, the Sox clearly see something they like and likely feel like they can improve that. If they are successful and can turn him into a legit #4 starter, perhaps better, this is probably a good move. If we just got a low leverage reliever for a prospect with that has some pretty tantalizing upside, I would rather role the dice on the prospect.
Here’s a list of players that were 22 or under, had 300+ AB’s and a wRC+ of 115 or higher in AAA since 2010.
Oscar Taveras
Nick Castellanos
Kyle Tucker
Austin Riley
Keibert Ruiz
Owen Caissie
Colt Keith
Adael Amador
Jhostynxon Garcia
Samuel Basallo
Harry Ford
Jordan Lawlar
Nacho Alvarez Jr.
Jackson Holliday
Roman Anthony
Anthony Rizzo
Justin Crawford
Tre’ Morgan
Not a bad list. There not all stars but probably none of them that I would want to give up on for a low leverage reliever.
I find it interesting how few right handed hitters are on that list.
Of that list the guy who jumps out at me is Castellanos. There are a lot of similarities with the approach and skillset.
If Castellanos was plus in RF / LF instead of…whatever grade you would call that, he would have been a regular 4+ win player at his peak. But the scouting report sure makes it sound like Password doesn’t have that level of hit tool.
Here it is, I just found it: Nick Castellanos managed to put up 2 fWAR in 2018 despite having a NEGATIVE TWENTY THREE OAA. That was his first real run in the outfield and eventually he improved to more generically bad but if he had been +4 there instead of -23…would have been incredible in 2019 and 2021 as well.
But I’m not at all convinced Password has Castellanos’ hit tool so maybe I shouldn’t get carried away.
You can put this venerable Red Sox fan down firmly on the side of yes. Question marks, for sure, but Oviedo has a chance to be a useful pitcher. 5.8 hits/9 is very enticing. I am quite certain that he is seen as a starter. Meanwhile, there was no place for Garcia on the roster for the foreseeable future and, from the little I saw, I question whether he is going to make enough contact to really be able to settle into a full-time role.
Seems like a pretty fair deal on value that benefits both teams for roster fit. I approve.
I’m very neutral on this trade. I’m not very confident about either of the headliners both could be something or they could go the other way.
Other scouts have said Oviedo looked filthy on his return even though his results didn’t carry through.
I’m not really sure how the Sox’s rotation is going to shake out. If everyone is mostly healthy entering camp the back half is going to be a dogfight.
Kasparaitis was a disease.
that OT goal in the playoffs was electric though
The flip side of Boston’s outfield being crowded is that Pittsburgh’s outfield is the opposite of that. There’s a lot of room for Garcia to be better than the next Pirates outfielder without being great. And with Cruz and, gulp, Suwinski, the outfield is very left-handed, so having a right-handed bat could be good.
I don’t have a ton of confidence in the Pirates developing him, but it seems worth a shot.
I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to include the Pirates outfield in 2025 amongst the worst in the history of baseball.
They’re not even the worst from 2025, unless you would like to convince me that the Royals outfield didn’t exist last year.
I don’t even think they’re in the bottom 10 for this century. The worst of this century is very likely the 2019 Marlins who gave about 1000 PAs to replacement or better baseball players (about 2.3 fWAR between them) and the remaining 1000 to a rotating cast of players who combined for -5.5 fWAR.
Although I have to hand it to the 2005 Yankees, who almost certainly had the worst outfield defense of all time and who also ran out the completely broken down versions of Bernie Williams and Tony Womack for a good chunk of that.
Interestingly the 1962 Mets—one of my first thoughts when I think of “worst of all time” for anything—wasn’t that bad. But the 1963 Mets were awful, with Richie Ashburn being so disillusioned by 1962 that he retired and Not That Frank Thomas losing his power stroke, never to return.
Haha, I did an extremely long post with searches and then managed to shunt it into a spam filter with a mistimed edit! You are pretty much right about all the judgments there. I used the “as OF split” which we only have since 2002; in that the 2005 Yankees amazingly managed to come out worse than the 2019 Marlins, thanks to an amazing Def of below -100; the next worst outfield Def in this time was -68. Those Yankees might be rivaled for worst defensive OF of all time by the 1997 A’s, with Jason Giambi, Matt Stairs, and one Damian Mashore, Jose Canseco and Geronimo Berroa… just look it up, it’s bad.
The worst wRC+ since 2020 and probably ever was the 2020 Pirates at 55, with Reynolds having a terrible year in between his good ones, Cole Tucker, and Gregory Polanco. Why did I look at that again. Probably the worst OF of all time per PA. Outside 2020, the worst wRC+ since 2002 was the Mariners in 2011; Ichiro in his last full year before the trade to New York, Franklin Gutierrez with a ridiculous glove and equally ridiculous bat, no one else with even 200 PA.
The Pirates weren’t even second worst last year, as the Guardians finished behind them in total WAR as OF, with a collection of miscreants canceling out Steven Kwan’s excellent work. The Pirates did at least have three above-replacement outfielders! In 2024 they were worse than any team this year, though the White Sox were unsurprisingly even worse than that. One of the worst performers from that year was Jack Suwinski, who’s back on the depth chart this year… which brings us back to why the bar for improving the Pirates outfield isn’t high, even if they were merely putrid last year rather than world-historically awful.
I certainly wouldn’t say that Oneil Cruz was elite or anything but it’s hard for any team to field the worst outfield ever when you have him out there for most of the season.
But in theory you could say the same thing about the 2005 Yankees with Gary Sheffield. Every time I look at the 2005 Yankees I am surprised that (1) they ever allowed that center field situation to happen and (2) that they won 95 games with that defense. They played Hideki Matsui in center field for part of that season!
FWIW, the defensive metrics are somewhat split on the 2005 Yankees, with Sheffield and Matsui both gaining double digit runs from UZR to DRS. DRS has Matsui with +4 runs in left canceling his -4 in center! This would be enough of a swing to knock them out of last place even for the year.
By bWAR the worst OF of the century is a tie between those Marlins and the 2017 Giants, with Gorkys Hernandez, Denard Span, and Hunter Pence and a lot of guys doing really badly in under 100 PA; another defensive metric split there. Pretty safe to call the 2019 Marlins the worst of the century. Spot-checking some likely candidates, the worst of all time by bWAR might be the 1997 Pirates, with rookie Jose Guillen having one of the worst seasons ever thanks to defensive metrics, single-handedly keeping the Freakshow Pirates from a winning record and maybe the playoffs.
Whoops, checked the wrong year for terrible A’s outfields; the 1979 A’s got -4.6 outfield bWAR by rotating a bunch of terrible players through the outfield. Also one Rickey Henderson.
The two worst fWAR outfields since 1955 by the “primary position: OF” split both had rookie HOFers playing ; the other is the 1955 Pirates with Clemente.
Bubba Crosby!!!
Pirates won the trade, easily.
Ok
Could go either way we won’t know for a few years. Id say the Brewers were the winners of Red Sox – Pirates Nick York for Quinn Priester trade. If the Sox had kept Priester they would have been the winner of the trade unless York breaks out which is looking less likely. I was initially down on that swap but thought they got a ton of value from the Brewers but Yophery Rodriguez isn’t looking great.
Quinn Priester is a good example of “just because the Pirates failed to develop a guy doesn’t mean the Red Sox can fix them.”
For a while he seemed like a good example of a guy just not being as good as people thought. At the time of the trade, the draft pick seemed like the most valuable piece going in either direction at the time. And the guy they got with that pick does seem like he has promise.
The only reason we don’t see it that way now is that the Brewers received divine favor last summer and basically couldn’t do anything wrong for about two months even if they tried.
Right. No team bats 1000 in development of traded players.
i feel like we have all followed baseball long enough to know that things arent usually this straightforward.
I like this trade mostly because it’s not the everyday trade. For Pirates fans, I’m hoping Garcia gives them SOMETHING in the outfield. That fan base, city, and stadium deserve some better production out of their team.
Also, I really like Garcia as a catching pickup for the Red Sox. I just like his defensive makeup. And catching is the only position that the Pirates really have some depth at.
I think many of us would rather Kenes won 20 even if the pirates won 70, than the Pirates win 75 and Skenes wins 12. Kinda weird but true.
My hope as a pirate fan is that Garcia plays a role of “4th OF who plays like 4-5 times a week” until he proves himself. I think *depending on him to be an everyday player right away, with no fallback plan* would be foolish.
the team could really use a veteran stick to provide a floor here. I haven’t done the roster gymnastics to decide if it should be a supportive righty like Starling Marte or a lefty like Yaz.
Gun to my head, i’d say Marte because that’d give the Pirates the ability to sit Oneil Cruz vs lefties (Garcia plays CF).
Getting an OHearn who can swap around 1b/RF/DH and a Jorge Polanco who can switch-hit at 2b or 3b would be my “big bat” acquisitions.
We’ll see if Garcia can make contact and the Sox can harness Oviedo’s physical skills (fastball, ride, and extension). The bigger statement by the Red Sox is their belief that the trade market for impact starter doesn’t realistically exist without gutting their young pitching they spent drafting the last three drafts, their need add impact bats at the corners, and improve their infield defense….while staying below enough distance from the second tier of the luxury taxt that they can add salary at the deadline. They made two moves, Gray and Oviedo, to buy time for young pitchers to develop ability and value, and enough money to bring in middle-of-the-order bats. I wouldn’t be surprised if the OF surplus ends up being used for a Paredes or part of a deal for MI.