Tucker Trade Brings Astros Back to Earth, Wakes Cubs From Hibernation

Rick Osentoski-USA TODAY Sports

When Juan Soto signed with the Mets this week, there were four parties who should’ve been celebrating: First, the Mets, who nabbed the biggest on-base threat since Barry Bonds, and in the process got to blow raspberries at their old money neighbors. Second, Soto himself, who was already grotesquely wealthy but is now due the kind of lucre that will allow him to oppress multitudes if he so chooses. Third, Scott Boras, who in addition to being paid a handsome commission proved that he still had his mojo after a mortifying 2023-24 offseason.

The fourth winner: Kyle Tucker. The “next-best thing” to a 26-year-old free agent with a .421 career OBP, to someone who is projected by ZiPS to accumulate more than 100 WAR, is… well there’s no such animal. But Tucker is as close as you’ll get these days. If Soto is worth $51 million a year, what is Tucker worth? I don’t know. Neither do the Houston Astros, but they’re clearly not interested in finding out.

On Friday, Houston traded the presumptive top free agent in next year’s class to the Chicago Cubs in exchange for Isaac Paredes, Hayden Wesneski, and third base prospect Cam Smith.

Tucker will enter free agency after his age-28 season — young for a player on the open market, but three years older than Soto — and while injuries limited Tucker to 78 games in 2024, he posted a very Soto-like line when he was healthy: .289/.408/.585, for a 180 wRC+ and more walks than strikeouts. Had he played his customary 150-odd games, he’d have cleared 40 home runs and eight WAR easily.

I looked at the figures underlying Tucker’s breakout back in May, and this was no BABIP-fueled hot streak. Tucker was more patient than ever in 2024. He walked more and hit better because he was more disciplined and put more balls in the air — a quality that paid off huge in Minute Maid Park, where the Crawford Boxes in left and the short wall in right make home runs plentiful.

Wrigley Field isn’t quite so homer-friendly; the walls are close in the power alleys, but the wind is capricious. (Every time I visit Chicago, I wish someone would’ve warned me about the wind.) Baseball Savant has the old jewel box as the 21st-most homer-friendly park in the majors over the past three years, one spot behind Camden Yards, whose barrenness just necessitated a redesign.

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But let’s say Tucker’s monster half-season in 2024 is a one-off. Even if he regresses all the way to his previous form, he’ll still be the Cubs’ best position player. If you extrapolate his 2020 stats out over a 162-game season, Tucker produced either 4.9 or 5.0 WAR every year from 2020 to 2023. During Soto’s free agency, you heard complaints about his defense or baserunning, because some people will find a reason to nitpick about everything.

You can’t level the same charge against Tucker, who stole 30 bases in 2023 and 25 the year before that, despite lacking top-end speed. He won a Gold Glove and put up a 5-OAA season as recently as 2022. This is not a DH in the making.

The Astros might not be the juggernaut they were half a decade ago, and their run of seven straight ALCS appearances came to an end this past October, but they’re still the reigning champion in a highly winnable division. Why would they want to get rid of Tucker?

Well, it’s going to be expensive to keep him once he hits free agency a year from now. And those two clauses are not independent: Tucker is almost certain to hit free agency because of how much Soto just blew the lid off previous free agent contract norms.

When Giancarlo Stanton signed his record-breaking extension with the Marlins a decade ago, he reset the ceiling for what a baseball player could earn on one contract. For most of the 21st century, that limit had been in the mid-$200 millions, established by Alex Rodriguez and reinforced by Albert Pujols. And the limit Stanton established — low-to-mid-$300 millions — stayed in place arguably until this week.

The Biggest Contracts in MLB History
Player Team First Season Years Total Adjusted Value
Giancarlo Stanton Marlins 2015 13 $325 million
Mike Trout Angels 2019 12 $426.5 million
Bryce Harper Phillies 2019 13 $330 million
Gerrit Cole Yankees 2020 9 $324 million
Francisco Lindor Mets 2021 10 $341 million
Fernando Tatis Jr. Padres 2021 14 $338.25 million
Mookie Betts Dodgers 2021 12 $306.6 million
Corey Seager Rangers 2022 10 $325 million
Aaron Judge Yankees 2023 9 $360 million
Manny Machado Padres 2023 11 $350 million
Shohei Ohtani Dodgers 2024 10 $460.1 million
Yoshinobu Yamamoto Dodgers 2024 12 $325 million
Juan Soto Mets 2025 15 $765 million
Total value adjusted for deferrals

Eventually, as macro-level inflation and industry-specific revenue trends brought more money into the game, a star could earn a Stanton-type contract, but for nine or 10 years instead of 13. Two lucky souls — Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani — got into the $400 million range, but each was by acclimation the best player in the world when they signed their respective deals.

What’d that mean? It took another paradigm-breaking player, Soto, plus a healthy market with multiple motivated bidders, plus the greatest agent in the history of the sport with something to prove, to move the limit out of the $400 millions. But eventually, $300 million contracts became available not just to Trout and Harper and Cole and Lindor, but to consistent All-Stars like Trea Turner or even rookies like Yamamoto. The ceiling only moves once a decade, but more and more players get closer and closer to it.

Before Soto, elite corner outfielders (Judge, Betts, Harper) made $300 million, more or less. That’s clearly changed. Tucker’s agent can now go to suitors and say, “Well, if my client is even two-thirds as good as Soto, then a $500 million contract seems reasonable!”

Despite running fairly high payrolls throughout their dynasty, the Astros have tended not to dip into that corner of the market. In fact, with the exception of Jose Altuve, they’ve been pretty ruthless about letting franchise icons walk: Dallas Keuchel, George Springer, Cole, Carlos Correa, and Justin Verlander all rung the bell for big money after leaving Houston. Just this offseason, as the Astros are trading Turner, they’re also shopping Framber Valdez and cutting Alex Bregman loose.

For a long time — more specifically, under the administration of GMs Jeff Luhnow and James Click — the Astros were savvy about turning the roster over. Only five players and one major league coach — Altuve, Bregman, Verlander, Yuli Gurriel, Lance McCullers Jr., and Gary Pettis — stayed with the organization from the 2017 championship team to the 2022 championship team. (“Hey, why was there so much turnover on the coaching staff and front office?” I hear you asking. Don’t worry about it.)

During that period of constant turnover, Houston also reaped the benefits of a farm system buoyed by a decade of ineptitude and/or tanking. For example: The Astros installed Tucker in their lineup full time in 2020, but they drafted him no. 5 overall in 2014, a pick they earned, if you want to call it that, in 2014, their last losing season.

Since then, the Astros have not only been picking lower — Tucker was their last top-10 pick — they’ve been shipping away their next generation of contributors in order to reinforce the team in the present day.

Astros First-Round Picks, Past 10 Years
Year Pick Player Fate
2024 28 Walker Janek Still With Organization
2023 28 Brice Matthews Still With Organization
2022 28 Drew Gilbert Traded for Justin Verlander (2023)
2019 32 Korey Lee Traded for Kendall Graveman
2018 28 Seth Beer Traded for Zack Grienke
2017 15 J.B. Bukauskas Traded for Zack Grienke
2016 17 Forrest Whitley Still With Organization
2015 2 Alex Bregman Free Agent
2015 5 Kyle Tucker Traded
2015 37 Daz Cameron Traded for Justin Verlander (2017)
SOURCE: Baseball-Reference

I don’t think owner Jim Crane has lost a second of sleep over trading for Verlander or Grienke, but even a so-called sustainable winner can only sustain itself for so long. And while the Astros are accustomed to letting their stars walk, they’ve heretofore refrained from cashing in on a player like Tucker a year early.

Trading Tucker instead of extending him, or even running it back for 2025 and banking a compensatory pick, is — and I’m sorry, I don’t know a kinder way to put this — very Tampa Bay Rays. It’s the kind of trade you make when you’re building a team to make the playoff bubble as cheaply as possible, and is more than a little undignified for a team that’s been as successful as the Astros have been. Only the Dodgers have a playoff streak as long as Houston’s, and only the Dodgers can match the Astros’ four pennants and two World Series titles in the past decade. If Bregman signs elsewhere and Valdez gets traded, I would not be surprised to see Houston drafting in the first half of the first round once more in 2026.

With all that said, the Astros could’ve done worse, considering that Tucker is only under team control for one year and is unlikely to sign an extension. This trade begs to be compared to the deal that sent Betts to Los Angeles in 2020, and for the record I think the Astros got a better return than the Red Sox did then.

Paredes is the biggest name, a 30-homer man in 2023 and an All-Star this past season. He turns 26 in February, and is eligible for arbitration for the first time this winter, giving the Astros two extra seasons of team control compared to Tucker. Paredes has played all four infield positions in the majors, but these days he spends almost all of his time at the corners. With Bregman’s likely departure, both first and third base are now positions of need in Houston, and Paredes has been a competent defender at both ends of the diamond.

If you read FanGraphs regularly, the one thing you probably know about Paredes is how he hit all those home runs. Especially in the works of Ben Clemens, Paredes has almost become a meme as the metonym for a lift-and-pull approach.

Over the past two seasons, Paredes has by far the highest pull rate on fly balls in the majors, and the second-highest fly ball rate on pull-side batted balls, trailing only Anthony Santander. That quality made him into a cult hero at the Trop, where the left field foul pole is just 315 feet away. After Paredes’ midseason trade to the Cubs, he struggled mightily, but Minute Maid Park — soon to be Daikin Park — is Xanadu for cheap home runs down the left field line.

The pre- and post-trade splits would seem to indicate that Paredes is a hitter who needs a favorable home park to be an average-or-better starter, but the Astros can give him that.

Speaking of hard-hitting third basemen, Smith might end up being the headliner here. The no. 14 overall pick out of Florida State this past July, he hit .387/.488/.654 with a ridiculous 90th percentile exit velocity of 112 mph in his draft year. With the draft being as late as it his, Smith made it into only 32 professional games across three levels, but he hit .313/.396/.609 with 16 extra-base hits over 134 plate appearances. His quality-of-contact numbers weren’t quite as good with a wood bat, but he posted a maximum exit velo of 111 mph and an EV90 of 107 — well above the major league average — with an in-zone contact rate of 84%.

Eric Longenhagen thinks that Smith can stick at third despite having below-average range, and that his line drive-oriented swing could produce even better power numbers if he optimizes it for loft. (I’ll toss my own two cents in here and remind the reader that Tucker did this last season and went completely busalooey.) The worry with any trade of a superstar is that the return will end up being more quantity than quality, and it’s harder to re-create a star in the aggregate than Moneyball made it look. Smith is Houston’s best shot at getting an impact player out of this trade.

Wesneski, who came to Chicago at the 2022 deadline in the deal that sent Scott Effross to the Yankees, has been a serviceable spot starter and low-leverage reliever across 190 innings in a Cubs uniform. He throws five pitches, among them a four-seamer that sits around 94 mph and a low-80s slider that he’s leaned on more and more as his career’s gone on. One thing to look out for: Wesneski is comically homer-prone, having averaged 1.66 HR/9 in his career, on a HR/FB rate of 16.7%. Which, given Wesneski’s solid-but-unremarkable strikeout numbers, tanked his FIP and kept him within half a win of replacement level each of the past two seasons.

The Astros have had some success developing relief pitchers over the past few years, so maybe they see something in Wesneski. But more likely than not, the success of this trade, from Houston’s perspective, will rest on Smith’s development and Paredes’ ability to golf mistakes into the Crawford Boxes.

I’ve been focusing on the Astros so far, partially because their decision to jettison Tucker set this whole thing in motion, but partially because Tucker’s impact on the Cubs is rather obvious: He’s going to be their best position player from the moment he shows up for spring training. Possibly by quite a large margin.

The Cubs have spent most of the 2020s in a muddy middle between contending and crapitude. They’ve made the occasional big-time move, signing both Cody Bellinger and Dansby Swanson to lucrative contracts, and mining the Japanese import market for Shota Imanaga and Seiya Suzuki. They’ve cultivated some solid homegrown players, but they haven’t had a five-WAR season from a position player since Javier Báez left town.

In fact, I’ll do you one better: Other than Kris Bryant, the last Cubs position player to post a season of 6.0 WAR or better was Alfonso Soriano in 2007. It has, in short, been a minute since they had a position player like Tucker.

As much as I consider the AL West to be there for the taking, the NL Central might be even more so. The Pirates and Reds are out to convince the world their owners are totally broke. The Cardinals have been so directionless over the past two seasons I’ve actually started to believe the Yadier Molina Leadership Mojo myth. And if you want to talk about a team that’s built to win exactly 90 games as cheaply as possible, look no further than the Milwaukee Brewers, who have won three out of the past four division titles. The Brewers seem to have a club policy against employing more than 1 1/2 good hitters at the same time, and the rest of this division is making them look like the 1990s Atlanta Braves.

The NL Central, in other words, has been dying for the Cubs to stop hibernating.

Well, they’re certainly awake now. And even with Tucker’s estimated $15.8 million arbitration award on the books, the Cubs are still under $200 million in estimated payroll for 2025, and more than $30 million under their payroll bill from last season. So they can still keep adding.

And the good news keeps coming. While I was asking Eric for his input on Smith, he went out of his way to communicate his excitement about Matt Shaw, the Cubs’ first-round pick in 2023 out of the University of Maryland. He called Shaw “among the twitchiest, most fun to watch players in the minors” and “a 5-foot-9 stick of dynamite who plays with all-out effort.” Shaw, a middle infielder in College Park, has apparently taken to third base in the pros and shows the potential for plus defense there.

With Paredes out of the picture, Shaw — who started 2024 in Double-A and went on to make 35 appearances for Triple-A Iowa — is now the presumptive Opening Day starter at third base for the Cubs.

Unless they do something wild, like sign Bregman.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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Matt GreeneMember since 2025
1 year ago

“Every time I visit Chicago, I wish someone would’ve warned me about the wind”

…fool me once…

docgooden85Member since 2018
1 year ago

Chicago isn’t called the Windy City because of weather, but because of an antiquated dig at their old-timey politicians. Don’t tell that to Wrigley Field!

CosmoMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  docgooden85

That’s true, but the wind does have a significant effect on both Wrigley and Soldier Field. Both stadiums are near the lake.

johansantana17Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  docgooden85

Yes, but it is also a relatively windy place.

slz
1 year ago

Houston and Paredes seems a perfect match. Cubs also do well here as they’ve managed to consolidate some of their “Cardinals problem” as it was recently dubbed into Kyle Tucker.

Of course, they have to actually retain Kyle Tucker.

The Kudzu KidMember since 2016
1 year ago

Somewhat off-topic, but seeing the chart brought this to mind. Ohtani’s contract is basically 20 years, $700M, right? So why are his later years brought down in the “adjusted value” column but not Soto’s?

Ryan
1 year ago
Reply to  The Kudzu Kid

It’s not effectively 20 years, $700M, because he only has to play for them for 10 years

fanofthemanMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Ryan

The fact that basically none of it is paid in the first ten years also means that more of his dollars are discounted to account for inflation.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Ryan

This is a meaningful distinction, but not all of the other deals are the same, as well. My understanding on the $461 million is that if Ohtani got $46.1m per season without deferred money, that would have the same value. Which is again different than what the NPV is, which would be lower still, right?

Well, these longer deals are also less valuable. Even without graduating salaries. A 10 year/$450m deal has a higher NPV than a 15/$450m deal. You could reduce every contract to a NPV. You could also work in a guesstimate value for ancillary terms, which some are pretty valuable.

Petey BienelMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  The Kudzu Kid

I think his net present value makes this a $46.7 AAV for 10 years. Perhaps this explains why the NYY stopped at 16 years, $760 million. That has a slightly higher AAV and would have been the most nominal dollars, which are both targets for Boras when he takes a big player to market. Boras ended up topping the AAV by $3.5 million, or about 7%, even though the total dollars are close.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

This is a fantastic return for Tucker. Clearly better than the Betts return and about on the same level as the Soto return, maybe a tick below. Paredes is a 3 win third baseman with three years of team control, and Cam Smith is probably an FV50. If it wasn’t for the fact that the Astros are basically punting on being the AL favorite I would say it makes all the sense in the world.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I see this completely differently and think the Astros have been snookered. Let us look at the two trades. Tucker is considered one of the best players in the game with a well-rounded game, check, and Tucker has one year of control left, check. It is not a stretch to call him a star. The Red Sox have been drawn and quartered for the trade but when comparing the returns it appears that the Astros didn’t match the return the Red Sox got when the deal was first announced. Alex Verdugo, at the time, was considered a rising star coming off a solid first full year. Isaac Paredes, with a low average power game, has never struck me as anything special. Hayden Wesneski brings a negative bWAR and not much upside while Cam Smith is still just a promising prospect, as was Jeter Downs. Downs was on everybody’s Top100 list in the spring of 2020 and it is his failure to develop that makes the Red Sox look bad. Conner Wong is a major league regular and useful catcher. If I was an Astros fan I would not be smiling.

GrandpaboyMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Cubs fan here. I hate giving up Smith, but Paredes was clearly a place-holder for us and Wesneski is a tantalizing arm who might wind up as a setup man. This is a big-boy move that we usually see from the Dodgers and Padres, and I’m glad to see Hoyer and Hawkins act boldly for a change. I think it’s a fair deal for both clubs, but I can see where Astros fans would be salty.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Grandpaboy

This is also an obvious deal for the Cubs. Paredes had way less value to the Cubs than the Astros because of their home parks. Losing Smith is going to sting, especially because I’m not at all sold on Shaw’s defense at third base. But the other two guys in the deal don’t have a lot of value for the Cubs.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

I’d say that Cam Smith is a comparable prospect to Jeter Downs and that Paredes is quite a bit more valuable than Verdugo, even with fewer years of team control. Paredes has a steamer projection for 3.7 fWAR with the Depth Charts playing time, providing above-average production in both power and on-base, and this is backed up by his years playing in a similar stadium in Tampa Bay. Wesneski and Wong are similar in the sense that you can live with them but you’d rather have someone better.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Only in hindsight could Paredes be considered more valuable than Verdugo. When Verdugo went to the Red Sox he was seen by the entire industry as a rising star. As Paredes hops from team to team there is a reason for this. None of these franchises would send him on his way if they saw a star hiding behind his quite mediocre numbers. The fact that Downs was a complete bust twists the visualization of the Betts trade but unless Smith develops into a bonafide star I just can’t see how the Astros will be better after this deal.

dl80Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

He’s put up 8 WAR over the past 2 seasons. Hardly “mediocre numbers.”

And if we’re going to count team-hopping against someone, Soto has been on just as many teams (4) as Paredes but in a year less time. So I guess he’s also not very good?

Last edited 1 year ago by dl80
Thatguy47
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Paredes was an AS last year and is coming off 3 good seasons. Verdugo wasn’t seen as a rising star and wasn’t even a top 100 prospect heading into 2019 (he was 117).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Verdugo was a former Top 100 prospect who analysts had moved off of because of unspecified “makeup” concerns. He had value, but Paredes is somewhere between the 4th-7th best third baseman in terms of offensive production if he’s in a stadium like Houston’s. He was 10th last year because Wrigley is a horrible fit for his batted ball profile. That is nothing to sneeze at!

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

The only person who liked Verdugo that much was Bloom – Eric had him as a 50 FV with makeup concerns.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’d put Smith above Downs. There seemed to be more debate about whether Downs was a top prospect. Verdugo was promising and under control longer than Paredes, but Paredes has established an sustained a high level of production that Verdugo had only hinted at. I find Wesneski and Wong similar in a different way than you do: both W-names who have a shot to be a contributor if things go right.

dl80Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Paredes has put up 8 WAR over the last two seasons. Did anyone see Verdugo as a potential 4-win player in 2019?

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

I think there were those who saw him as that potentially. It was within the possible range of outcomes, toward the high end. Paredes seems to have established himself clearly in that 3-4 WAR range. He’s much more valuable than Verdugo was.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  bosoxforlife

Leaving aside the fact that Mook was pretty firmly better than Tucker…there’s one key difference:

Paredes was built in a lab for Minute Maid, maybe even more so than Tropicana.

PhilMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It really should be a better return than the Betts trade – as the Cubs aren’t taking on David Price in a salary dump.

JediHoyer
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

Betts also had a 10 war season on his resume.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Betts was projected for something like 6.5 WAR and Tucker for 5.1. Betts made $27 mil (+$48 mil for 3 years of Price), Tucker ~$16 mil. That’s a sizeable difference.

The sad part is (for us Sox fans) that a few months later, Price opted out of the season, and would have had his entire $32 mil wiped off the books for 2020.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Phil

I like Tucker a lot but his best season ever is 5 fWAR and Betts topped that three times before the trade. Betts was something like a top 3 position player at the time.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

To me, he was solidly #2 only because Mike Trout was still in god-like form.

docgooden85Member since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Never underestimate the value of a solid #2.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  docgooden85

Selling fiber supplements?

catmanwayne
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

He put up 4.2 fWAR in less than 80 games this year at age 27. He was already a great player, but if the 2024 breakout is for real and he stays healthy he’s right there with the top 5-10 players in the whole sport.

nenrightMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

mookie betts put up 10.2 WAR in 136 games in 2018

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t think there’s any debate that Betts was better. He’s a clear HOFer and possibly more. But Tucker put up 4.2 WAR in half a season last year, will cost far less than Betts, and doesn’t come with David Price’s salary.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I agree. They did great. Three arb years of Paredes alone is probably worth one year of Tucker at ~$16 mil. Adding a top 100-ish prospect and an interesting arm makes this a great deal.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

But is it better than the Lindor return?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Yeah, I would say so. Amed Rosario was not even close to being in the same class of player as Paredes, even if we say Gimenez was more valuable than Smith is.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

Of course not – Lindor was a near-Betts level player…and Cleveland’s ownership was neither idiotic nor venal enough to sell him as part of a salary dump, despite being actually economically constrained, unlike FSG.

But hey – at least Sox fans can take solace in the fact that Liverpool has been more successful than “My Lady Friends”!

Hell – think about how much paying Mookie might have constrained their ability to buy the Penguins!

Last edited 1 year ago by Cool Lester Smooth
David Klein
1 year ago

The nl is stacked there’s what 9-10 teams that will compete for a playoff spot? As far as Tucker he’s a fantastic all around player and the Cubs should do whatever they can to keep him after the season(he’s not signing now), but I’ll believe Ricketts will pay up when I see it.

baycommuterMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

I’m not sure the Cubs can keep him even if they want. If the Yankees don’t do as well without Soto, the pressure on Steinbrenner to outbid everyone else will be intense, and they have the most revenue.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  baycommuter

Steinbrenner having the most revenue won’t stop him from losing to the Dodgers or Mets.

steveo
1 year ago

Heh, this is hilarious. Very true.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  steveo

Mike described it well – after 15 years of the Yankees’ treating player salaries as a cost rather than an investment, they’ve become just another Big Market Team, in contrast to the Dodgers, Mets, and even the damn Phillies.

These days, the only reason to pick the Yankees is if you care more about money than winning…and KendHal couldn’t even get that part right.

steveo
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

Eh not really. The entire NLC is mediocre especially now that the Brewers lost Adames. It’s basically just the three top teams in the NLE and NLW that are obvious contenders. Maybe the Giants too but I don’t think they’ve done enough.

But it’s definitely better than the AL.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  steveo

Yet the fact that someone has to win the division and go to the playoffs arguably makes all 5 NL Central teams contenders by default. The Cubs and Brewers would be the two favorites, but the Reds and Pirates are getting better, and the Cardinals still have a lot of talent despite their payroll cuts (even after a presumed Arenado trade).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

But this Guardians-like or Brewers-like move—sorry, this is not like the Rays—is only drawing scrutiny because the owner already spent a bunch of money on his pet projects. He repeatedly overruled his front office (which didn’t even have a GM for part of it to advise him) on free agents and handed out a whole lot of money now is saying they’re out of cash.

Whenever people applaud the owner for changing course and spending a lot of money, it often means it is because the owner is doing something that the front office doesn’t care about. But they still have to pick up the pieces when the owner claims they’re out of money and tells the front office to figure it out. These sorts of owners aren’t really that helpful compared to those who give the front office a budget and let the professionals do the work.

johansantana17Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Fuck Jim Crane.

Original Greaser Bob
1 year ago

30 paragraphs, 6 of which are loosely about how this trade affects the Cubs. Good luck getting people to pay for this insisive analysis.

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TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago

Can we get the newer Greaser Bob and put this one out to pasture?

Petey BienelMember since 2019
1 year ago

right now, down voted to -47. Is there a Fangraphs record?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Petey Bienel

This is not even close. There was a guy who used to post here who would have downvotes into the hundreds, so he would set up a script to automate fangraphs accounts that would downvote people who argued with him and upvote himself.

You would think he would have been more careful. At the time he was on probation for a crime so bizarre I can’t even really convey it: He spoofed dozens of people’s emails to spam others’ emails to complain about how bad the Phillies’ ownership was, but many of the emails he sent weren’t to valid addresses and unsuspecting businesses and people got thousands of failure-to-send emails, making their accounts unusable. Last I heard he was fined for keeping a bunch of poisonous snakes in his house without a permit, he got caught because one of them bit him and he had to go to the hospital. I swear I am not making any of this up.

marcusthelionMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Thank you for sharing this true tale of unbelievable stupidity. I was getting a little bit frustrated by some regular, everyday instances of Idiocracy and you helped re-set my perspective. Grateful for my problems… which do NOT include poisonous snakes or pissing off a good portion of greater Philly.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

But I think we can all agree that the Blue Jays are utterly infallible, even if I can’t post yer man’s name.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Someone said something crass in Dave Cameron’s article announcing he had cancer. I went back and looked and it has -331 as of now. That was 13 years ago. My guess is there’ve been a few others that really cross the line that get downvoted to hell. This post is just silly nonsense.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Honestly I don’t even really disagree with this comment here, it is just petty.

If a writer announced they had cancer today and someone made a crass comment you could see it break a thousand downvotes.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Petey Bienel

But, more to the point, there are many more aggressive or unpleasant comments than this one that have doubled or tripled this downvote level. This one is pretty dang tame, if I say so myself.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’ve had a couple in the hundreds:)

dl80Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Wasn’t there the guy who used to post unsubtantiated stuff about the Phillies owner?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

Yeah, I mentioned him a little further up. He seemed to really have it out for the owner’s son. Just epically insane stuff.

Jason BMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  dl80

The ol’ FELONY FRAUD guy! It was a real pleasure watching a mental breakdown in real time.

norcalblueMember since 2024
1 year ago

Michael’s a treasure, we’ve got his back!

Joe23
1 year ago

This is the move Hawkins needed to make. I criticized the Cubs a few days ago for sitting out the Soto sweepstakes (and I stand by that criticism), but this is as close as you can get to that production from players who were actually available.

Losing Smith hurts, as I think he’ll grow into a very good hitter somewhere on the diamond. Paredes was not a great fit for Wrigley but the price to acquire him from Tampa wasn’t great. He’ll do much better in Houston, as alluded to in the article. Wesneski may yet be something- he has a live arm- but I’ve seen him give up too many home runs to trust it will happen.

The Cubs can’t be done with their offseason yet. Offloading salary (and outfielders) and signing some relievers will be a huge help to the ‘25 team. And the ultimate win will be resigning Tucker, if the purse strings can be opened wide enough.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  Joe23

However, the overall analysis depends on what the Cubs end up doing about their outfield log jam.

It may have been a mistake to make the Tucker trade first, because now everyone knows that the Cubs MUST move one of their starting outfielders, and that’s really going to hurt their leverage in trade negotiations. If all they can get for Bellinger is salary relief and a lottery ticket prospect or two, was the overall cost worth it to upgrade from Bellinger to Tucker?

johansantana17Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I agree with this take. The Yankees had leverage in the Bellinger trade negotiations anyway because he clearly wants to go there and other suitors know that too, and now the Cubs have voluntarily given them even more leverage.

Travis LMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I actually think the Cubs need to keep Bellinger. There is always injury risk (Tucker himself missed half of last season), and PCA’s offense could crater. Busch at first could be a problem.

Bellinger hedges all those risks.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago

each was by acclimation the best player in the world 

I guess Earth did take some getting used to for both Trout and Ohtani after they moved here from Krypton or wherever, but I think you wanted an A there.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago

It’s a fine enough return, but I don’t see why Houston didn’t make the Tucker the centerpiece of the team. A Tucker – Alvarez – Altuve core is basically a perennial World Series contender. Bregman, Pressley and Hader are the expendable ones. Valdez isn’t expensive.

Paredes isn’t worth much to the Cubs. If they really wanted him, they didn’t need to trade Tucker to get him.

Crane has really messed this up.

trengilly
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Houston has been trying for years to extend Tucker . . . but Tucker wanted to go to free agency.

darren
1 year ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

Not disagreeing but asking: why is Paredes not worth much to the Cubs? Even if they don’t love him, couldn’t he have fetched a nice return elsewhere?

steveo
1 year ago
Reply to  darren

He was never a great fit for that stadium. He’s a fit for teams with short LF porches. Like the Astros.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  steveo

The Cubs stadium is probably the worst for his skill set. I think they have the furthest left field wall in MLB. Might be bad in places like Seattle or San Diego too because the ball seems to die in the air there sometimes but the Wrigley Field is the farthest.

I think he would probably be okay in places like Angel stadium or Globe Life Field but a place like Houston is perfect for him.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Don’t forget Yankee Stadium

Ryan
1 year ago

This article and some comments seem way down on this return for the Astros. I’d be stoked if I was a stros fan

frankMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Ryan

While this might be a good trade for both teams, I agree with Ryan. If Smith reaches his potential, as Bauman indicates, Houston fans will be talking about him for a long time. Plus Wesneski and 2 years of Paredes is not to be sneered at.

Runaway ToasterMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Ryan

For me, there’s more “fan value” in a player I saw come up though my team’s system and is now awesome. It’s not rational, but I’d rather my team won 92 games with one of our guys than 95 without.

That’s what bugs my Red Sox fan friends most about Mookie. You dream of wearing the beat-up Betts shirt you got his 2nd season to his number retirement ceremony. I believe this also why most Yankees and Angels fans don’t mind that the teams likely “overpaid” for Judge and Trout’s monster contracts.

But don’t let me tell you how to enjoy baseball! Everyone has their own mix of enjoying stories / wins / rings.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

But hey – If they’d traded Mookie on his own for a massive return and separately dumped Price by attaching Lugo and Dalbec, what would FSG’s finances have looked like???

Would Red Sox fans even be able to say can say “My ticket did that!” every time the Penguins beat the Bruins????

bdenglerMember since 2016
1 year ago

I am no Astros fan, and I do not think the Cubs have enough juice to make the playoffs, even with Bregman, but this is a very nice return for the Astros. Bregman was going to get traded, regardless. The Astros were not going to resign him; not now or at the end of 2025. Your above analysis on the return is correct, and there is no way they would have gotten anything close to even one of the above. Compensatory pick? Sounds nice, but next year’s crop is projected to be worse than this year’s. Who wants to pick there in return for Bregman leaving? The timing is right, and the Astros made a good trade. BTW, this is still the best piece of writing I have seen in quite some time, and this site is my favorite. Well done.

JediHoyer
1 year ago
Reply to  bdengler

I think you are confused. Bregman is currently a free agent. Also Cubs are 100% Central favorites.

johansantana17Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  JediHoyer

Why would the Brewers not be favorites to repeat? This is the only addition the Cubs have made so far this offseason and a corresponding subtraction (trading Bellinger) is now almost certain to occur.

JohnnyRingoFWC
1 year ago

Considering the Cubs can trade Tucker if they are out at the deadline or they can cash him in for a prospect if he leaves, I think it’s a big win. If he likes Wrigley and does well there and stays even better. If not, I still think it’s a great trade and one the Cubs very badly needed to make for their fanbase and themselves.

Cavarretta
1 year ago

There’s no such word as busalooey!

boomstickMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Cavarretta

I found it cromulent

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I think the real moment where the Cubs won was when they somehow convinced the Rays to trade them Paredes for Morel. Does anyone think the Astros would have taken Morel in place of Paredes? They traded for Paredes even though he was a bad fit for their stadium and now they are reaping the rewards.

Veeck as in BeckMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Yeah they were playing with house money here. They basically traded Morel and Cam Smith for one year of Kyle Tucker. Looked at that way, they did very well.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

They’re obviously going to trade Bellinger but I thought Suzuki hated DHing. They going to just rotate outfielders through the DH slot or stick Suzuki there anyway?

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

They could trade Suzuki instead. He’s not better than Bellinger and less versatile

Veeck as in BeckMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Suzuki has the better bat and the better contractor (less money and 2 years left) but in terms of fit this year keeping Bellinger makes more sense. He can rotate between DH and backing up centerfield, right field and first base. Without Belli the Cubs don’t have a backup CF or 1B (or rather, whoever is the backup, would be a step down from Bellinger).

In keeping Suzuki they have three corner outfielders spread among RF, LF and DH. With every inning Suzuki sees in the field putting gold glove defenders on the bench. But at least you have a right fielder for 2026 if Tucker can’t be resigned.

I don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer here. Probably trade whichever one gets you the best return – which would surely be Suzuki. I guess if they can pick up a serviceable utility bat/glove to back up 1B/2B/3B that would only leave a hole in backing up CF should Pico (as my kids call him) get injured.

I grumbled about the Cubs sitting out the Soto Sweepstakes even though it was one of the very few ways they could improve the lineup. But said they’d probably end up making a trade that I could talk myself into liking. I don’t need talked into this one, this makes them better and gives their top prospect a chance.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

The only thing I don’t like about this for the Cubs is that I have some real questions about Shaw’s ability to stick at third base. He’s going to hit and they have to find a place for him somewhere and Paredes never made much sense for them because of the dimensions of their home park but this sort of wishcasting rarely works for long.

Ideally what they would do is find a real third baseman for Hoerner but there aren’t a lot of them available! Maybe if they believe in Bohm* they could swap Suzuki for him, move Shaw to second base, and then trade Hoerner to a team that needs a shortstop like the Braves. But that’s a lot of moving parts.

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*it is fine if you don’t believe in Bohm, I am not sure I do…

Johnnie TMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Good point, and some of the value of this trade from the Cubs side will be determined by what the Cubs do with their extra OFs. Bellinger was probably going anyway, probably without much talent coming the other way because of salaries. But you also have to count what the Cubs will get for Happ or Suzuki or whoever else they now kind of have to trade to make room for Tucker.

And even if/when Tucker leaves after ’25, well, the Cubs can plug in Cassie or Alcantara into RF to replace him.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

Personally I would trade Happ instead of Suzuki but there has been absolutely no information suggesting that they will.

Here is the scorecard:
1) The Mariners need a second baseman and a third baseman and are willing to trade Luis Castillo and probably some prospects (Harry Ford stands out”)
2) The Phillies need at least one outfielder. They are willing to trade Alec Bohm and maybe some prospects (which ones are undetermined). They would love to trade Castellanos but good luck with that.
3) The Cubs would like another good starter and are willing to trade Suzuki and Bellinger. Maybe more than “willing.” (I also think they will need a third baseman because I doubt Shaw can play third base, but they clearly don’t agree)
4) The Yankees need at least one left-handed bat, probably two. First base is the obvious spot, but they could easily accommodate someone at second / third base or the outfield. I have no idea who they are willing to trade.
5) The Braves need a shortstop. I don’t know who they are willing to trade but historically their front office is willing to trade a lot of prospects.
6) The Padres are looking to shed payroll and get some more talent, maybe by trading Arraez, maybe by trading Cease. I am sure they would love to trade Cronenworth, and they could really use a shortstop or a catcher.
7) The Blue Jays need a left-handed thumper, preferably in the outfield. Not sure who they are willing to trade, but that whole front office is probably on the hot seat so I would guess that they would be motivated to buy.

The other teams that seem like buyers right now are the Red Sox, Orioles, and maybe Royals / Tigers and sellers include the Marlins, White Sox, and maybe the Cardinals.

norcalblueMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Thank you. Excellent summary.

I’m wondering if you have an assessment of if/how Dodgers might play in this drama.

My take is that Dodgers need a right handed corner outfielder and Friedman would view Seyia as preferable to Teo: a cheaper and shorter contract obligation.

Seems to me that Padres match up really well. Cease for Seyia allows Preller to walk away from Profar and Cease’s contract. If he knows Sasaki is coming to SD it makes the deal even more attractive. Roki and Seyia sharing the same agent makes this an even better fit.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  norcalblue

I’m confident that if the Dodgers called them up and offered Dalton Rushing, then Suzuki would be on his way to the Dodgers. Cubs might even chip in some money too.

Or maybe they could trade Jackson Ferris back or something, but that might not be enough.

norcalblueMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

From my perspective Suzuki fits a Dodger need more than young talent might interest Cubs. Cubs seem all in and would probably be prioritizing pitching in a return for Seyia.

There is a diverse range of talent in Dodger system between Rushing and Ferris that might appeal to Hoyer even more. Really just depends on how Cubs assess LA talent.

Thanks

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Between the Yankees’ Face considerations and the fact that they don’t have their “normal” pop-up midround starter trade bait, and their need for a CF…I do think they go after Bellinger over Suzuki.

johansantana17Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

Having an extra starter quality position player is a good problem to have. People get hurt and go through slumps. Championship quality teams have enough good players to field great lineups even after injuries hit.

compucles
1 year ago
Reply to  Johnnie T

Why do the Cubs need to trade another OF (after already trading Bellinger)? They have room for everyone else as long as Suzuki is OK with continuing to be the primary DH.

Last edited 1 year ago by compucles
raregokusMember since 2022
1 year ago

Everything else about this trade aside, I started cackling like an idiot when I saw Paredes was going to Houston. I can’t wait to see how many “HR in 1/30 parks” he can generate with those boxes.

catmanwayne
1 year ago

I like this because it makes the Astros even weaker on paper. I hate this because now Paredes is gonna hit 30+ homers a year in that little league park of theirs. FTA.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  catmanwayne

Yep on both counts.

Hate the Houston Asterisks, but Paredes is a perfectly built Bergman replacement who should be fairly affordable for them in the long term – no chance in Hell the Yankees come after him…although I do think he’d love the Monster.