With Another Lost Season for Mike Trout, a Sobering Parallel Emerges

Mike Trout will not play baseball again this year. Last Thursday, Angels general manager Perry Minasian told reporters that the three-time MVP, who underwent surgery to repair the torn meniscus in his left knee on May 3 and who had recently begun a rehab assignment, had suffered another tear of the same meniscus. The 32-year-old slugger will need a second surgery, and once again, he’s finished for the season at far too early a point. Where we once anticipated speaking of Trout’s place in history alongside the likes of Willie Mays or Barry Bonds, his difficulties staying on the field during his 30s bring another superstar to mind: Ken Griffey Jr.
Trout played in just 29 games this season, the fewest in his career even including his 2011 cup of coffee. He was off to a flying start, albeit something of an uneven one, hitting 10 homers and stealing six bases. His home run total up to the point of his injury put him on a 55-homer pace, at the very least giving him a shot at topping his career high of 45 homers, set in 2019. Thanks to a more aggressive mindset, his stolen base total not only matched what he did from 2020–23 combined, it put him on pace for his first second 30/30 season; he hit 30 homers and stole 49 bases in his 2012 rookie season, then narrowly missed repeating in ’13 (27 HR, 33 SB) and ’16 (29 HR, 30 SB).
Despite those gaudy counting stats and the milestones they might portend, Trout was hitting an out-of-character .220/.325/.541, driven by an absurdly low .194 BABIP, 104 points lower than any of his seasons besides 2011, and 141 points lower than last year, when he played 82 games and totaled 362 plate appearances. His batting average and on-base percentage were respectively 43 and 42 points lower than the post-2011 career lows he set last year, but his .321 ISO was comparable to the marks he put up in 2017, ’18, and ’20 (he had 241 PA that year). Though he wasn’t hitting the ball as hard as usual, his .273 xBA and .599 xSLG suggest that he would have wound up in more familiar territory, slash line-wise.
Alas, this is the latest gut punch for a once-dominant player whose career has taken far too many such blows in the past. Since playing at least 157 games annually from 2013–16, Trout hasn’t played more than 140 in a season, for a variety of reasons:
| Season | Games | Days on IL | Injury |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2017 | 114 | 46 | Surgery to repair torn UCL in left thumb |
| 2018 | 140 | 18 | Right wrist inflammation |
| 2019 | 134 | 0* | Neuroma in right toes |
| 2020 | 53 | 0 | None; season shortened by coronavirus pandemic |
| 2021 | 36 | 139 | Right calf strain |
| 2022 | 119 | 35 | Back inflammation caused by T5 costovertebral dysfunction |
| 2023 | 82 | 89** | Surgery to remove fractured hamate in left hand |
| 2024 | 29 | 153 | Surgery to repair torn meniscus in left knee |
** = played one game between 49-day IL stint and subsequent 40-day IL stint.
Thumb, wrist, hamate, calf, back, knee, toes — every year it’s been a different injury for Trout, with many of them borne of rotten luck. He injured his left thumb sliding headfirst into second base, fractured his hamate while fouling off a pitch, and dealt with foot and back problems that — at least based on public reports — no other player has experienced. His recoveries have often seemed agonizingly slow, particularly as he’s aged, but the real shocker has been the abortive returns of the past two seasons.
Last year, Trout fractured his hamate on July 3, had surgery to remove the bone (a treatment that’s supposed to accelerate a return to play), then experienced such pain swinging the bat upon returning to the Angels on August 22 that he was shut down, and ran out of time to ramp up again. This year, for an injury that typically takes about four to six weeks to return from, Trout needed more than 11 weeks before he was able to head out on a rehab assignment, then played just two innings for the Angels’ Triple-A Salt Lake affiliate on July 23 before coming out of the game due to soreness in the knee. After trying to loosen the joint up the next day, he felt “a pop,” and then flew back to California for testing, throwing a wrench in the plans of my father and anyone else hoping to see him play for the Bees. An MRI taken that week showed no new injury, and on July 26, Trout said that doctors told him that the pain and the pop he experienced was from scar tissue breaking up.
The discomfort continued, however, and not just due to the injury. On July 28, when asked about Trout’s progress and particularly whether he had begun running again, Angels manager Ron Washington sounded more than a little exasperated: “It’s Mike, you have to talk to Mike. It’s all on Mike. How he feels, and if he can go out there. We can’t force him out there.” Those words didn’t wear well on social media, though in the full quotation, Washington provided more context. Per the Associated Press, he added, “He’s dealing with something… He’s never had a surgery like that. The scar tissue pop scared him. He’s going to ramp it up. I hope to have him soon. To put a timetable on it, I don’t have it. But I hope to have him soon.”
Still experiencing pain, Trout went for another MRI on July 31. This time, doctors found a tear in a new spot within his meniscus, requiring another surgery and ending his season. “Playing and competing is a huge part of my life. This is equally as heartbreaking and frustrating for me as it is for you, the fans,” he wrote in a social media post:
— Mike Trout (@MikeTrout) August 1, 2024
Said Minasian: “Nobody wants to play more. Nobody cares about this building, this fan base, this team more than he does… He’s going to come back, have a normal offseason and come back next season and hit 70 home runs and win MVP. Book it.”
With the injury, Trout has now played just 266 games over the past four seasons. By the time this season is done, that will amount to just 41% of the Angels’ schedule for those four years, and 59% since the start of 2017, the equivalent of 96 games in a 162-game season. That’s a loss of more than three full seasons of playing time in an eight-year span. With six years and $212.7 million remaining on his contract, we surely haven’t seen the last of him, but it’s fair to wonder how much more we will see, and particularly how much more greatness is left in a body that’s been through so much.
Colleague Dan Szymborski provided some rather gloomy ZiPS projections to the Los Angeles Times‘ Bill Shaikin for an article that mused about whether this string of absences would impact Trout’s Hall of Fame chances. Shaikin, well aware of my work — which has included charting the points at which Trout reached the JAWS standard for center fielders in 2018 (when he was still 26 years old!), and became eligible for election based on the 10-year requirement — asked my opinion as well. Note that this conversation took place hours before Trout took the field in Salt Lake City, when his return to the Angels still appeared likely.
Given his three MVP awards and 11 All-Star selections, I don’t think Trout has anything to worry about with regards to the Hall, I told Shaikin. More:
“I can’t really imagine looking at what’s happened to him over the past several years and judging him so harshly that he would be deprived,” Jaffe said. “I could see him not being a unanimous selection or not being a 99.9% selection — maybe a 95% selection, because there are always some who think they should withhold their blessing, just as they do for anybody this side of Derek Jeter.
“But I don’t think it’s going to be a real obstacle to his selection.”
During our conversation, I noted that BBWAA voters have elected high-WAR players with more modest counting stats in recent years such as Larry Walker, Scott Rolen, and Todd Helton, none of whom came anywhere close to 3,000 hits or 500 home runs. I also compared Trout to Griffey. “His attendance was sporadic in his 30s,” I told Shaikin, referring to Griffey’s injuries, “but everything he did in his 20s really got him in that position.”
A refresher is in order. Griffey, who like Trout debuted in the majors as a 19-year-old, played in 88.7% of his team’s games during his first 12 seasons (1989-2000), a span covering his entire tenure with the Mariners and his first year with the Reds, his age-30 campaign. By that point, he had made 11 All-Star teams, won an MVP award, and finished in the top five in the voting four other times, but he also landed on what was then the disabled list four times during those years. He missed 26 days due to a fracture in his right hand in 1989, 16 in ’92 due to a right wrist sprain, 80 in ’95 due to a left wrist fracture (suffered while making a spectacular catch against the outfield wall), and 23 in ’96 due to a hamate fracture, for which he underwent surgical removal.
With the Mariners unwilling to sign Griffey to the long-term megadeal he sought, the team traded him to the Reds — the team for which his fatehr starred — on February 10, 2000 once he agreed to a record-setting nine-year, $116.5 million contract. But after playing 145 games in his first season in Cincinnati, Griffey began to break down in alarming fashion. He played just 111 games in 2001, missing 47 days due to a left hamstring strain, and then just 206 games from ’02-04 due to injuries to his right hamstring (three separate stints), right patella, right shoulder, and right foot. For that four-year span, he played in just 48.8% of the Reds’ games, an average of 79 per year. From 2005–08, he was more durable, averaging 131 games a year but missing time due to injuries to his right hamstring (again), right foot (again), and right toe; he still had power, but his defense and therefore his overall value eroded considerably.
By the end of that stretch, Griffey was through his age-38 season and had declined to the point of becoming a league-average hitter whose poor defense offset even that value. With his contract set to expire after 2008 (picking up his $16 million club option was a moot point), he was traded from the Reds to the White Sox, which allowed him to reach the postseason for just the third time in his career. After that, he returned to Seattle for a victory lap that lasted about one year and two months; he was nudged into retirement in June 2010, when he was hitting .184 without a homer in a part-time role that had been further reduced after he was caught napping in the clubhouse during a game.
Griffey finished his career with impressive counting stats: 630 home runs, 2,781 hits, and 83.8 WAR (the Baseball Reference version, which I’ll use through the rest of this piece). Yet there’s little question that if he’d stayed healthy — and if the 1994 players’ strike and ’95 lockout hadn’t occurred — he would have gone much higher, possibly even reaching 3,000 hits and 700 home runs.
Right now it’s tough to see Trout even getting to Griffey’s actual hit and home run totals given his own ailments. He has 1,648 hits and 378 homers through his age-32 season, a point at which Griffey had 2,039 hits and 468 homers. Yet Trout not only already has 86.0 WAR, but he blew past Griffey in the JAWS center field rankings in late 2019, taking over fifth place before his 30th birthday. He’s still in fifth, but despite having the third-highest peak score for the position at 65.1 — trailing only Mays’ 73.5 and Ty Cobb‘s 69.0, and barely ahead of Mickey Mantle’s 64.7 — he’s got his work cut out for him to reach Mantle’s 87.5 JAWS. In fact, he’ll need about another 23.9 WAR to do so, which right now appears to be a long shot.
Rather than simply citing Dan’s rather depressing projections unadorned, I asked him to run some rest-of-career ZiPS projections for Griffey to illustrate how his projected final totals fluctuated, and then to do the same for Trout. We’ll start with a projection following the 1994 strike, Griffey’s age-24 season. With 40 homers through the Mariners’ first 112 games, he was in hot pursuit of Roger Maris‘ single-season home run record of 61:
| Year | AVG | OBP | SLG | G | H | HR | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through 1994 | .306 | .379 | .541 | 845 | 972 | 172 | 88 | 149 | 27 | 35.0 |
| Future | .293 | .374 | .555 | 1588 | 1770 | 394 | 68 | 142 | 44 | 61.8 |
| Proj. Total | .297 | .375 | .550 | 2433 | 2742 | 566 | 156 | 144 | 71 | 96.8 |
That’s pretty close to spot-on for Griffey’s actual final hit total, short in the homer department, and way short in the value department due to the greater-than-expected decline of his defense. Though he won 10 Gold Gloves and was tremendously valuable early in his career — leading the league in WAR three times with a high of 9.7 in 1996, and finishing second twice as well — he remained in center field for far too long; in fact, he was at least 10 runs below average seven times in the nine seasons from 1999–2007 despite missing so much playing time. He should have become a corner outfielder early in his career in Cincinnati, though serving as the designated hitter for an AL team would have been a better fit, since the NL only used it for away interleague games.
Here’s where things stood after 2000, just before Griffey’s legs began falling apart:
| Year | AVG | OBP | SLG | G | H | HR | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through 2000 | .296 | .380 | .568 | 1680 | 1883 | 438 | 173 | 148 | 83 | 73.9 |
| Future | .256 | .347 | .476 | 1024 | 1000 | 218 | 47 | 117 | 2 | 22.2 |
| Proj. Total | .281 | .367 | .532 | 2704 | 2883 | 656 | 220 | 136 | 85 | 96.1 |
The projected final hit total is even higher; I’m not sure what Griffey’s odds of reaching 3,000 were at that point, but he had a shot, and likewise with respect to 700 or even Babe Ruth’s total of 714 for the homers. Whatever his odds at those milestones were, they were crushed by his 2001–04 absences. During those years, he managed just 273 hits and 63 homers, and his ceiling practically fell on his head as though he were swinging from the chandelier, à la Bumblebee Man:
| Year | AVG | OBP | SLG | G | H | HR | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through 2004 | .292 | .377 | .560 | 1997 | 2156 | 501 | 178 | 144 | 65 | 77.3 |
| Future | .254 | .351 | .464 | 276 | 232 | 45 | 3 | 112 | -28 | 1.8 |
| Proj. Total | .288 | .374 | .549 | 2273 | 2388 | 546 | 181 | 140 | 37 | 79.1 |
From that point, ZiPS not only projects Griffey to fall well short of 2,500 hits and 600 homers but to produce just 1.8 remaining WAR in dribs and drabs spread over five seasons of part time play. Thankfully, in 2006 and ’07 alone he was productive enough to exceeded those remaining totals while playing in 253 games, which improved his outlook for the remainder of his career:
| Year | AVG | OBP | SLG | G | H | HR | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through 2007 | .290 | .374 | .553 | 2378 | 2558 | 593 | 184 | 140 | -24 | 79.0 |
| Future | .256 | .342 | .432 | 342 | 327 | 55 | 6 | 107 | -46 | -0.9 |
| Proj. Total | .286 | .370 | .538 | 2720 | 2885 | 648 | 190 | 136 | -70 | 78.1 |
Griffey ended up falling short of those final projected numbers save for the WAR. But beyond the projections, it’s worth remembering that he actually rebounded from that brutal four-year stretch with a couple of comparatively productive years that paved the way for him to finish out his contract largely unimpeded. I don’t want to overstate the value of those years; he netted just 0.6 WAR in 2006–07 due to his defense, which was a honkin’ 19 runs below average even as he shifted to right field. From 2002–10 he totaled just 5.7 WAR while padding his counting stats to the point that he was a near-unanimous pick for the Hall, setting a record with 99.3% of the vote (437 out of 440) on the 2016 ballot
All of that is worth bearing in mind when we see what’s happened to Trout’s projections. Here’s how the future looked after he won his second MVP award in 2016:
| Year | AVG | OBP | SLG | G | H | HR | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through 2016 | .306 | .405 | .557 | 811 | 917 | 168 | 143 | 170 | 12 | 47.2 |
| Future | .281 | .416 | .540 | 2290 | 2246 | 512 | 184 | 160 | -77 | 105.0 |
| Proj. Total | .288 | .413 | .545 | 3101 | 3163 | 680 | 327 | 163 | -65 | 152.2 |
At the time, Trout projected to blow past 3,000 hits, approach 700 homers, and finish with a WAR in Mays-Cobb country — the sixth-highest total of all time, including pitchers. But by the time he brought home his third MVP award to cap that trio of shortened-but-still-exceptional seasons — during which he averaged 129 games, 39 homers, and 8.2 WAR — his ceiling had fallen, too:
| Year | AVG | OBP | SLG | G | H | HR | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through 2019 | .305 | .419 | .581 | 1199 | 1324 | 285 | 200 | 176 | 9 | 71.2 |
| Future | .266 | .421 | .501 | 1543 | 1403 | 315 | 100 | 154 | -78 | 62.8 |
| Proj. Total | .283 | .420 | .537 | 2742 | 2727 | 600 | 300 | 164 | -69 | 134.0 |
Still, 600 home runs is a plateau only nine other players have reached, and when you combine that with 300 stolen bases, the company is even more impressive: Mays, Bonds, and Alex Rodriguez. Unfortunately, the pandemic-shortened season and Trout’s first real writeoff one with the calf injury not only made that combination appear to be unattainable, it lowered his final WAR projection by more than 30 wins:
| Year | AVG | OBP | SLG | G | H | HR | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through 2022 | .303 | .415 | .587 | 1407 | 1543 | 350 | 204 | 176 | 4 | 81.9 |
| Future | .233 | .344 | .449 | 895 | 756 | 174 | 14 | 117 | -27 | 20.6 |
| Proj. Total | .276 | .387 | .533 | 2302 | 2299 | 524 | 218 | 153 | -23 | 102.5 |
From the post-2016 projection to the post-2022 one, the forecast for Trout’s final totals fell by 864 hits, 156 homers, and 49.7 WAR. Unfortunately, as we now know, things haven’t gone great since then, and those totals have fallen even further:
| Year | AVG | OBP | SLG | G | H | HR | SB | OPS+ | DR | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Through 2024 | .299 | .410 | .581 | 1518 | 1648 | 378 | 212 | 173 | 3 | 85.7 |
| Future | .226 | .334 | .405 | 440 | 363 | 67 | 25 | 103 | -5 | 8.8 |
| Proj. Total | .282 | .394 | .541 | 1958 | 2011 | 445 | 237 | 158 | -2 | 94.5 |
Ouch. Trout now projects to fall short of the 500-home run mark and to barely cross the 2,000-hit one, which as I’ve noted several times in this space has been all-important when it comes to voters, as it has serves as a proxy for career length and productivity. Until the election of Tony Oliva via the 2022 Golden Days Era Committee, no player whose career took place entirely in the post-1960 expansion era had been elected by either the writers or the committees. I do believe more exceptions are on the way, as Dick Allen (1,848 hits) and Andruw Jones (1,933) have gotten close to election, and Chase Utley (1,885) made a stronger debut than I anticipated, though the one I’m really waiting for is 2027 candidate Buster Posey (1,500).
Given the length of his contract and his drive to compete, I strongly suspect Trout has more than 363 hits and 67 homers left in him even if ZiPS does not. Whether he collects those with the Angels or another team is less my concern, though I don’t think there’s a soul on earth who would begrudge him a fresh start in another organization, with another set of doctors and trainers, to say nothing of teammates and executives.
Before this ridiculous and soul-crushing string of injuries, and before he began to be overshadowed by teammate Shohei Ohtani, Trout appeared as though he would wind up on the shortest of lists of the greatest players of all time, in the company of Ruth, Mays, Bonds and maybe just a few others. On a prorated basis, he still has a case, as he’s averaged 9.2 WAR per 162 games, higher than Bonds (8.8) or Mays (8.4) if not Ruth the position player (10.5), though that last grim ZiPS projection above would drop him to 7.9. In the end, if he merely winds up in the company of Griffey or Albert Pujols — another Angel with a disastrous contract for the back half of his career — he’s still going to be remembered for putting together an absolutely jaw-dropping decade-plus of pure greatness, and while at times we’ll lament what might have been, that will be enough.
Brooklyn-based Jay Jaffe is a senior writer for FanGraphs, the author of The Cooperstown Casebook (Thomas Dunne Books, 2017) and the creator of the JAWS (Jaffe WAR Score) metric for Hall of Fame analysis. He founded the Futility Infielder website (2001), was a columnist for Baseball Prospectus (2005-2012) and a contributing writer for Sports Illustrated (2012-2018). He has been a recurring guest on MLB Network and a member of the BBWAA since 2011, and a Hall of Fame voter since 2021. Follow him on BlueSky @jayjaffe.bsky.social.
Injuries are such a bummer.
Also a bummer—Prime Trout appearing in three Postseason games. What a waste.
Any version of Trout to date, really. And expectations for future appearances are slim to none given the abject malfeasance/incompetence of the Angels.
Griffey only played in 18, 11 of which came in 1995.
The parallels continue, although I don’t think Griffey ever had to deal with the “how valuable is he really if his team never makes the playoffs” nonsense that Trout has
Best MLB player to never win a playoff game.
Over/under on Trout winning a playoff game with the Dodgers or Yankees?
At least for now, Trout would have to ask out and the Angels would have to eat (at least) half the deal to trade him for a bag of baseballs.
His deal will be up in time for his age-39 season, and at that point he would have almost no value as an oft-injured DH. At that point he would have to want to continue playing after being semi-permanently injured for the last half decade, and another team would have to offer him enough money to keep working. I can see how it would come together, but it seems more “unlikely” than “likely”.
How could you make an over/under for a binary result
Ted Williams says hello
Ted Williams cannot say hello, as his head is famously not connected to the rest of the nervous system required to form words
Boston lost the only series Williams appeared in four games to three (the famous Slaughter mad dash series). So…Williams won a playoff game, but failed to win any series.
Ernie Banks?
Trout was also pretty clearly a main draw for Ohtani when he first came over. Which more or less burned the first six years of his career as well, from a postseason perspective at least.
I wish for Trout’s sake that he had left good enough alone after that first extension with the Angels and moved on. Especially after they nickel-and-dimed him on that first one. He already needed a change of scenery then, and now he’s probably never going to get one.
2024 wouldn’t have been Trout’s first 30-30 season. He did it in 2012 with 30 HR and 49 SB
Fixed, thanks.
I’m definitely taking the over of that final projected remaining of .226/.334/.405 and 8.8 WAR.
If we are continuing the Griffey parallel, KGJ did end up finding the field for the latter part of his career, having ~3,300 PA from age 33 and on. And working against Griffey was that he was in the pre-DH National League, so he *had* to play the outfield in a reduced physical capacity. And when he was traded to Chicago, he wasn’t going to supplant Jim Thome for DH. He did end up DHing for his final two seasons when he went to Seattle, but he should have probably just retired than come back.
Trout is under contract for six more seasons, and he’s still a good enough hitter to be a DH under that span.
Trout should DH for the rest of his career, but will the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim in Orange County California actually have him DH full time?
I don’t agree with that. The back injury is the only one that seems possibly related to fielding, the rest have come from running, which he’d still have to do, and hitting. If he’s still got value in the outfield I think he’ll still be out there and I don’t think DH’ing him would help much with getting more time out of him. His body hasn’t aged the same way Griffey’s did. He’s still got his athleticism.
A player with two repair surgeries on the same meniscus in the same calendar year isn’t going to effectively cover ground in the outfield. Even shifting him to a corner isn’t going to help. Plus, considering he’s had other injuries in the past from running the bases/fielding/stepping on Legos, DHing full time might be the best way to keep his still great bat in the lineup. Not only for him in his pursuit of milestones and Cooperstown, but for the team.
You do know that you run in the field, especially if you play outfield, right? Also, that’s a heck of a lot of injuries and there’s no way to truly know the effect of playing defense, but hard to imagine it’s not a real risk for a guy who gets hurt all the freaking time.
Whatever small value he may still have as a fielder would seemingly pale in comparison of the increased ability to keep him on the field.
The leg injuries are concerning but before limiting him to DH duties alone they ought to try him at 3b if his arm is good enough or 1B if not.
Not all players can adjust to sitting for tde bulk of the game and batting every couple of innings. Especially on bad teams. It can be soul crushing for a gamer like Trout.
Definitely move him out of the OF but if at all possible let him still play the field.
Ruined legs at 3rd, which is a quick-twitch position, seems like it could go very wrong. First base, sure.
I look forward to watching a 39 year old Mike Trout throw out the tying run from center field in the deciding game of the Wild Card round for the 2030 White Sox.
Count no man happy until his end is known.
In a previous Trout article a few months ago someone tried to argue with me that his being injury prone was a myth, citing his being top-5 all time in PAs through the age of 24. It was a little odd.
baseball has once again become a young man’s game. Steroid era changed that a bit but we’re back
Mays and Aaron did fine into their old age. I suspect muscularity
And greenies.
When people try to tell me that being “injury-prone” isn’t a thing, and then I see Giancarlo Stanton and Mike Trout, it’s hard to agree with them.
There definitely does seem to be a type, the “too explosive for your own body” player who gets injured a lot. I don’t think there’s an easy way to predict it in before it starts happening but once you see a player with that sort of explosiveness start missing real time in multiple seasons I think that’s when the warning bells go off.
I agree with you when it’s consistently muscle, ligament, tendon, or back issues. But the thumb, wrist, and hamate injuries for Trout just seem like bad luck. So kind of a mixed bag for him.
The thumb injury (UCL, 2017) and wrist injury (inflammation, 2018) were both soft tissue issues. As is this year’s meniscus.
Bone density is also a thing, although Trout hasn’t broken many bones until this year. But he definitely has soft tissue issues.
Just like with Haniger, I don’t think being injury-prone is luck, other than the bad luck of physiological “fragility”.
At what point is this no longer luck? Also, the back injuries are probably not only a broken bone issue.
Swinging a bat really hard is really bad for the human body, even one well-conditioned to using all of those muscle groups. Back and core muscles take a ton of abuse and when they start to slip a player continues to grind through it often getting cortisone shots to get back to baseline. Numbing the nerve might help with discomfort, but that pain is telling the body to stop or more serious damage will occur and in other parts of the body. Back, hip, quad, hamstring, knee, calf, ankle, foot are all part of one system and when a part of that is compromised the rest get overworked trying to pick up the slack. There are many examples of this so Trout is not alone. Christian Yelich is another example of a player who has dealt with back problems since his kneecap was dislodged. They’re all on the same string, and when it’s plucked the reverb is felt from one end to another.
Oh and don’t forget about the groin.
…but presumably the “thing” here would have to be a predictive trait rather than a retrospective one? To take another parallel case no one has brought up here — David Wright had a headed-for-the-Hall career that was abruptly destroyed by a back problem, but I can’t recall him ever being tagged as “injury-prone” before it happened. Maybe Trout was like that plus a few extra bouts of bad luck before hitting the aging/recovery downslope really hard.
That is the issue I am wrestling with. In retrospect a lot is obvious, but whatever is causing players to be “injury prone” is not something that is visible to me.
Something is clearly predictive but I definitely don’t have enough information about it to make pronouncements on it. It only pops up when there is an unexpected injury and you go “hmm, that looks like a trend.”
I guess I predicted Judge before he started getting weird injuries under the “too strong for his body” theory, but aside from Jasson Dominguez there’s no one quite like Trout or Stanton or Judge out there *and* you could make the argument I’m already late on him because he’s been hurt a lot already.
Lewis, who coined “too explosive for my body” isn’t as burly as the other guys, but he’s definitely on the list.
And even Judge is a lot less vein-popping than guys like Trout and Stanton – he’s obviously a massive human, but it’s in a corn-fed way rather than the body-builder style of the latter two.
And Judge’s injuries have been more of the accidental and freakish type than soft tissue injuries. What can be expected is that when he has a high speed collision, via running into (or through) walls, or laying out to make a diving catch, the force of that impact is more likely to cause injury than a similar play by a more normal sized human.
That’s why I’m not unhappy that his defense is down a level this year as he doesn’t try to make all those plays any longer. He’s just too valuable to hurt himself saving a run or two in the regular season.
Wright had already been having a lot of injury trouble prior to his spinal stenosis diagnosis in 2015. He missed 50 games in 2013 (hamstring), then 28 in 2014 with a pretty complete collapse of production due to a shoulder injury. Then the stenosis diagnosis came in 2015 and he was done. But his worst year as a hitter was in 2014, before the back stuff was on the radar.
Our bodies stiffen up and become less pliable/flexible as we age out of our 20s, which is when both Trout and Wright blew up. What seems plausible is that for some guys the effects of aging are just too much to keep playing 150 games a year without something happening.
In terms of predicting who those guys are, who knows. For a while there was a story about some teams giving their pitchers MRIs after every start to see if they could detect any worrying developments in their UCLs. As I recall those MRIs indicated that virtually every pitcher had micro-tears, but whether it showed any predictive ability as to what would advance to full-blown injury I don’t know that we ever heard. I’m guessing not. We probably need to know more about biology and genetics than we do right now to predict injuries.
If you take a random sampling of 100 people a small number of them are always going to experience more injuries than the mean of the group.
With that said, from a medical perspective, some injuries are degenerative in that the first injury makes a second more likely.
I also suspect that, with elite athletes in particular, a desire to regain status/power within the game leads to overdoing/accelerating the recovery, leading to higher future injury chances.
In my opinion, some body types are just more likely to experience injuries. Trout, to me, is the MLB equivalent of Zion Williamson: extremely athletic performers in a “thick” body…not a good combo, too much stress on the body.
The reality is, and this is something I often reiterate to my patients, is that everyone heals differently. Whether it’s genetic or biopsychosocial, who knows?. The research isn’t very clear. Some people have overreactive inflammatory responses, while others are able to heal seamlessly. There is isn’t an obvious trend IMO, it seems to be a thing that’s randomly distributed.
It is interesting to juxtapose their style against other big outfielders who were athletic but had more longevity, like Andruw Jones or Vladimir Guerrero. I remember the first time I saw footage of Lou Gehrig what struck me was how smoothly he moved even in batting practice. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, and Joe DiMaggio, too. They would follow through in a way that seemed almost gratuitous or dramatic, but they never stopped a motion until it was ready to stop.
There’s a muscularity difference between Stanton/Trout and Jones/Vlad, with the latter two being less “built” and more fluid in motion. Being tightly muscled makes for more explosive action, but it compromises the body’s ability to accommodate the accompanying strain.
Andruw Jones was big and athletic “but had more longevity??”
Andruw Jones was a superstar through age 29 and a disaster by 31.
And Vlad? Vlad’s last 5-fWAR season was at age 30; his last 2-fWAR season was at 32.
Rob Gronkowski, to switch sports, is another example
In the NBA, this player is the hyper-athletic small guard. Derrick Rose archetype. Just cant stay healthy in a league against giants when you constantly have to explode to the hoop and then crash to the floor.
You’re not jumping into 7 footers in the MLB – it’s a more a matter of fighting yourself, but it’s hard to figure out who those guys are in the field. Why Stanton but not Judge, for instance?
Judge is a giant of a man and obviously muscular, but Stanton has always been leaner, more chiseled and a hard body. Just more tightly wound.
It’s really too bad he didn’t win a fourth MVP. Several players have won 3, but only Bonds has more than that. 2012 and 2015 are even more egregious in retrospect than they felt at the time. 2013 was also questionable.
You could probably come up with at least one arguable example for many of the guys who “only” won it 3 times. For example, why did Albert Pujols not win MVP in 2006, or why did he have the bad luck of being in the same league as a cheating Barry Bonds early in his career?
Also, nobody was beating out a freakin’ Triple Crown winner in 2012.
But yeah, something always happens to keep any clean players from winning more than thrice, especially with the vague meaning of “valuable” and how it’s often partially connected to team success.
“This side of Derek Jeter” is an interesting phrase to use in regards to Trout since Trout was a better player than Jeter.
Now if you had said “this side of Cal Ripken”would have immediately gotten what you meant. But I think people don’t use Cal Ripken as a reference anymore, not like Jeter.
I think it’s a reference to Jeter’s reputation as a media favorite in a big market as shown by his near unanimous election.
Yes, and I was wondering if he actually meant Mariano Rivera, since Rivera was the unanimous elect and Jeter fell just short.
This is the closest to what I meant, though I did not get a chance to expand upon that to Bill in my off-the-cuff answer and didn’t think it needed elaboration here. The intended point was that Jeter was a slam-dunk Hall of Famer whom no reasonable person was willing to publicly defend voting against given his resumé (I don’t think one can make quite the same argument for Rivera given the eternal debate over closers’ workloads).
I think Jeter’s a pretty fringy HOFer. Could see people not voting for him.
11x All Star, 5x WS Champ, 6th all time in hits… how high is your bar?
TG47 probably includes defensive metrics in their criteria. Jeter was flashy at shortstop, but not actually good.
He’s still a no doubt about it hall of famer. Not inner circle HOFer but there’s no reasonable argument that he’s on the fringe
Don’t really care about hits, AS’s, WS’s.
He has one 7 WAR season. Like 30 WAA. Under HOF SS average in WAR/7, barely above for jaws.
I’d vote for him but I don’t think he was one of the 10 best players on the 2014 ballot, for instance.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2014.shtml#all_hof_BBWAA
Maybe not even top 15.
Here is the list of all active position players (so ignoring anyone on the IL, etc) with more career fWAR than Jeter:
Kershaw’s on the active roster, but outside of him the active leader’s Altuve w/ 56.8 WAR. Plenty of non-HOFers or fringey HOFers w/ over 56.8 WAR.
he should be forced to work the concession stands or something instead of free loading the rest of his career on the “injured” list. guy hates baseball
That’s not how contracts work.
If the Angels wanted him to sell super pretzels in the event he was injured, they should have put that in the contract.
PS – Shouldn’t you be working hard rather than reading fangraphs, Mr. Work Ethic?
I really hope for your reputation that this is ironic
I know it’s a lazy comparison, but I still see Trout as much closer to Mantle 2.0 than Griffey.
Except for the self-inflicted (booze) harm.
The Millville Meteor has shone not quite as brightly as the Commerce Comet, although if you look at them both at age 20-21, you would have thought that Trout would have won that one (82-12 stealing bases, a fabulous defender and a great, great hitter).
The Trout/Mantle comparison is actually quite interesting if one considers only Mantle through 1963, when he missed a large pile of games due to injury but was still effective(!) when he could play. If that damage had ended his career as it looks like there’s every chance that Trout’s might, they’d be a pretty good comp. Same if Trout can manage to come back as more than a shadow of his former self, but … well, injuries are a bummer.
I’ve been writing similar (if shorter) pieces to this on an Angels fan site for a few years now. Back after 2019, it was “Mantle, but without the booze” with nagging–but easily rationalized–concerns about the emerging trend of injuries taking off 22-48 games from the previous three seasons. But the question was more 120ish or 150ish WAR for his career, depending upon how he aged.
Each year the range lowered, and each year the concerns grew and potential comps changed. It went from healthy Mantle to just Mantle to A-Rod to Pujols, and now has “plummetted” to Griffey, with the question no longer being how far north of 120 WAR he can get but whether he can eek out another 15 WAR to join the 100 WAR club.
Given the reasons you mention, I think he can and will. He won’t give up and he’ll keep trying. While I don’t expect him to ever play 140 games again, he’s due for a bit more luck and I think a 33+ Trout will be significantly better than Griffey – if he can stay on the field, of course. Trout’s worst prime seasons with the bat were better than Griffey’s best, if you take wRC+ at all seriously (Trout has nine seasons with a higher wRC+ than Griffey’s best season of 164).
Trout’s collapse at age 28-32 has been somewhat historically unusual. Most big collapses by great players don’t happen until north of 30, whether Griffey, Pujols, Miggy, etc. Maybe it is fan bias, but I’m taking this as at least opening up the possibility that the trend can change; that is, if his age 28-32 are so unusual, maybe he can pull a rabbit out of a hat and have an unusual age 33+ rebound? I know, dubious logic, but can one not hope?
The last four years have been disastrous, but he still managed 12 WAR, one at 6. Just a bit more luck and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him sneak by 100 WAR with a couple years on his contract to spare. He really only needs a couple more seasons like 2022 out of the next six. Or to put it another way, averaging 4 WAR a year over the next four seasons gets him past 100. For him, that probably requires just 100 games a year, even primarily playing DH. Even if he’s more of a 150 wRC+ guy now, those don’t grow on trees–certainly not in Anaheim.
That’s the thing, he hasn’t collapsed from a skills perspective the way Pujols and Miggy did in entirety, and Griffey Jr to a decent degree. The injuries have sapped Trout’s skills, but even these last two years he’s been on a 5-6 WAR pace when he plays. He just can’t stay healthy.
Yup, I hear you. Even his diminished performance the last two “seasons” is hard to take too seriously. He really struggled in 2023 with the worst slump of his career, but then pulled himself out of it and was back to his usual self for the last three weeks before injury. 2024 is too small a sample size.
I think that’s much more sad than it was for someone like Pujols, who managed to stay on the field almost all the time (and healed very quickly the few times he was injured) despite his pretty quick decline and his heel barking at him for most of his career.
McCutchen collapsed at 30. I’ll never stop being sad about it.
Here’s to Trout finding that second act you write of.
Cutch continued to be a damn solid player through the knee injury in his first Phillies season.
He was productive then, he’s still a league average hitter even now, and there’s not a player in baseball I’d rather watch. But age 29 Cutch? 6.0 fWar, which was a dropoff from the preceding few years. From age 30 on, there are only 2 years in which he posted a third of that.
2015 was actually his age-28 season!
I’m just saying that if his HoF case was tanked by the ACL tear costing him a few more 2-3 WAR years.
Salvador Perez started his career same as Trout and he’s close to catching him in Hits and RBIs. He already has more hits than Posey.
For a center fielder Trout really never had a great arm. I can’t recall a highlight of him throwing anyone out at home or third.
Perez already has more Hits, HR, RBIs, Runs(soon), Gold Gloves, and All Star games than Posey.
His name came up in another thread and I have to admit that I’d never thought of Salvy as a HOFer. But he either already has or almost certainly will reach a point of “All catchers with as many or more (whatever – hits, HR, AS, etc) than him are in the HOF” in a lot of different significant stats/categories. Throw in a ring and WS MVP and I’m now convinced that barring a complete meltdown, he at least stays on the ballot for full 10 years. I don’t know that he actually gets in through the writer’s vote, but I think he hangs in there for the full 10 years. . . .
The X factor for me for any HOF nominee is leadership, competitiveness, and respect from peers and coaches. And he’s got em all.
Don’t all HOF candidates have these?
Where’s the Human Growth Hormone when you need it?
Unironically I’m cool with mike trout getting the captain america serum. Juice him to the gills, who says no to healthy 30s for our boy
If you only look at them after their age 28 seasons, Ken Griffey was a slightly more valuable player than Ken Griffey Jr.
It’s also interesting that Griffey Jr. was theorized to have injury problems because he didn’t exercise enough, whereas I think Trout has been thought of as too muscular if anything. I guess maybe you need the Goldilocks approach to stay healthy.
Or focus on muscle tone and flexibility rather than maximizing muscle mass
I don’t see enough mention of the physique that Mike Trout brought to the field. He doesn’t have the build of many of the great players, one of which he certainly has been. This man is a football player playing baseball, not the 5’10”, 175 pound statue that was Willie Mays or the 6’4″, 175 pound Splendid Splinter that Ted Williams was dubbed for his lithe body. Heavily muscled physiques can put additional stress on parts of the body in ways that are difficult to measure or predict. The closest I can come up with is possibly Mickey Mantle, who, while of normal stature, was very muscular. One of his nicknames was “Muscles”. Mickey also began to break at age 31 and while he had a good season at age 32 was pretty much done by 33.
The wiry types can have trouble too, if they’re quick-twitchy and apply a lot of rotational speed that results in hard decelerations. Nomar is the archetype here.
Before the late 80s, virtually zero baseball players did any lifting outside of 12 ounce curls. Comparisons to players before then aren’t really that helpful. And of course players from the late 80s to early 2000s had nearly unfettered access to steroids, so they also aren’t very good for comparison. But if you just look to more recent players, it’s pretty difficult to glean anything and make any sort of conclusion if you ask me. Of the few players to play and play well past 35 in the last 15 years, there are plenty of a variety of body types.
Jay, I asked this 2 years ago and nobody took me for serious then. But since then this scenario has become more realistic: will Trout be a Hall of Famer if he ends his career with fewer than 2000 hits? This amount of hits seems to be a threshold for entry at the moment.
Trout will almost certainly get to 2,000 hits. We’re all down on him now but I suspect he has at least a couple more reasonably healthy years at some point plus hits in the injury-plagued years do still count and he’s only 352 hits short at present. I’d be more pessimistic if it were issues with his back like Mattingly or Helton or Fielder or Wright, but I bet he finds his way to at least a couple more seasons of 500+ PA and then it just becomes a numbers game.
If he were to hit .240 for the rest of his career, he’d only need 1,466 AB to get to 2,000 hits. Give him a walk rate of 10% and that means right around 1,630 PA or so and he’s there. Heck, drop it to a .200 BA and keep the 10% BB rate and it still only comes out to 1,956 PA. Even with the injury woes, he’s still averaged 283 PA (1,133 total) the last 4 seasons.
The article mentions Griffey. There were the same concerns for Griffey when he only racked up 1,198 PA for the 4 years from 2001-2004 (or 299.5 per year). He came back to total 2,679 over the next 5 years
But frankly, I don’t think hits will matter with 3 MVPs and 3 runner-up finishes. Koufax was in with extremely low counting totals because he was a legend. Trout doesn’t have the post-season heroics of Koufax but. . . .seriously, 3 MVPs and 3 runner-ups.
Barring a scandal of some sort, Trout is a lock and was the day he set foot on the field for opening day in 2020 when he met the 10 year requirement.
Yes he will and should
Fact check! This is patently untrue: “With the Mariners unwilling to sign Griffey to the long-term megadeal he sought” … Seattle was more than willing to sign him to a long-term deal; Griffey left primarily to be closer to family. They had a similar deal on the table to the Reds contract (8 yrs vs 9 yrs) and according to some sources, more $$$. https://www.mlb.com/news/ken-griffey-jr-reds-trade-in-2000
Why does a writer on Fangraphs insist on using Baseball Reference WAR? It would be like an executive walking into a meeting at Pepsico with a bottle of Coke. It makes no sense. If you think bWAR is such a better product, why work here? More to the point, why does management of Fangraphs think it isnt a terrible look having someone consistently flaunt that they think their product is inferior to that of a rival, and not only that, pay them to do it.
Jay has worked on the HOF stuff for a long, long, long time and all of his work was done using b-ref’s WAR long before he started with FG. Changing it now would be a massive undertaking.
Because FanGraphs and Baseball Reference are not competitors and both do tremendously good work
This also reiterates just how hard it is to win multiple MVP awards. Circumstances always seem to intervene to where nobody can win more than 3 MVPs unless he’s on PEDs or possibly a 2-way unicorn, and even the latter is far from guaranteed at this point.
Am I alone in having this sinking feeling that Trout is pretty much done? I could never completely write off someone who has done everything Trout has done, but at the same time, every injury he has had, he has come back a lesser player. He has issues in every area that you can have issues: head/neck, hand/wrist, toes, calf, knee.
I have this feeling that pretty much every remaining year he has will be a combination of the past four, and/or his production will decline to being more like the current installments of Giancarlo Stanton or Pete Alonso, and that being his ceiling.