Dan Szymborski FanGraphs Chat – 11/24/14
11:59 |
: oh god, I hope this works this week. somebody say something!
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11:59 |
something |
11:59 |
: Hooray!
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12:01 |
: As I’ve traveled so far
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12:02 |
: As I’ve traveled so far from the future for you, let’s get this fantasy started and fool the experts, too.
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12:02 |
: First off.
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12:02 |
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12:03 |
Party at Chase Headley’s house! |
12:03 |
does the 10 player limit provide perverse logic for a voter to leave off the most likely PED people to make room for deserving candidates? |
12:03 |
: It provides a lot of perverse logic.
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12:03 |
: For instance, if I had to vote on a 10-man ballot, I’d prioritize deserving candidates who look to be between 70-80% and those between 5-10%
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12:04 |
: So my ballot last year would have had no Maddux or Bonds, but Biggio and Palmeiro. Which is weird.
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12:04 |
Who says no to a hypothetical Mookie/Xander for Jose Quintana trade? |
12:04 |
: They both might stupidly say no.
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12:04 |
Does ZiPS have any way of predicting how Ramirez will do as an outfielder? |
12:04 |
: Yes, though I’m projecting him as a SS for now.
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12:05 |
Besides Hamels, who are some SP the Red Sox might target via trade? |
12:05 |
: I would not be shocked if the Red Sox talked with the A’s about Samardzija
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12:05 |
At $7M per WAR, how close does Sandoval get to earning his contract? |
12:06 |
: Meh. And don’t forget the first-rounder.
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12:06 |
Are there more Upsets in high or low scoring environments? Was discussing with a friend and he said in this low scoring environment of baseball, there will be less chances for “upsets”. I said it doesn’t matter and stays the same. Thanx |
12:06 |
: I haven’t actually looked at this issue specifically.
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12:06 |
: Though I’ve looked at it by era and odds ratio didn’t predict team-vs-team individual records better in low or high scoring eras.
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12:06 |
Convince me Ben Cherington isn’t drunk. Who are you going to bench? The $72M Cuban? A veteran that put up 5.6 WAR in 2013? Mookie “Ben Zobrist” Betts? I mean there are concerns about Victorino’s health, but he probably isn’t a bench bat… |
12:07 |
: Betts most likely. I’m not crazy about the Red Sox plan.
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12:07 |
: Remember their retooling year? Those were all value signings. They paid $100 million *total* for their 7 MLB free agents.
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12:07 |
Can the Braves convince the Rangers to take JUp and BJ for nothing? |
12:07 |
: The Braves are asking a steep price for Justin.
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12:08 |
my bud said he believes panda will need “an adjustment year |
12:08 |
. is there any data to back that up? |
12:08 |
: Not really.
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12:08 |
What was the first thing that came to mind when you heard the Red Sox had signed both Sandoval and Hanley? |
12:08 |
: dafuq?
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12:08 |
Xander and Mookie trade offers for days Dan, DAYS! |
12:08 |
Kyle Seager for 7 years, $100M. Good deal? |
12:08 |
: Have to think about it, it would depend on the years covered.
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12:09 |
Why was prince fielder given that big of a contract? insane to me. |
12:09 |
: Crazy people + cash
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12:09 |
What happens to Xander after Hanley and Panda are signed? Is he now trade bait? Where does he fit in, if at all? |
12:09 |
: He doesn’t fit in at all now.
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12:09 |
So last year it was Abreu, Altuve and Kluber. Who might return 1st round value out of a 4th, 5th or 10th round pick? Just tired of picking who I should pick…ie, 2014 1st rounders Fielder and Votto. |
12:10 |
: I dont’ want to do value pick type stuff until we’re actually near the season.
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12:10 |
Any advice for how to deal with the anger that I will undoubtedly feel as “baseball” writers release their HOF ballots? |
12:10 |
: Horse tranquilizers. I know i”ll regret not having them about 15 times over the next six weeks or so.
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12:10 |
wait if both say no then who offered it? “Would you tra–just kidding, bye” [click] |
12:11 |
: I assume they’re on a reality show Who Wants to Overpay a Millionaire?
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12:11 |
Any chance that Rosario is a better 3B/RF than C |
12:12 |
: I can’t imagine him being a very good defender there. He’s really only interesting if he can fake catching and I’m not sure he can. Else he’s just Dayan Viciedo.
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12:12 |
does zips like hanley at 5/90? |
12:12 |
: Hanley? Yes.
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12:12 |
(Somewhat widely-discussed) Iwakuma for Cespedes. Who hangs up in reality? |
12:12 |
: M’s should.
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12:12 |
Schilling is ranked 18th All-Time in fWAR. Lock to get in HOF? |
12:12 |
: No, because the voting is horrific.
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12:13 |
: Schilling is the pitcher that a lot of Hall of Fame voters thought Jack Morris was.
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12:13 |
: Schilling’s postseason record *crushes* Jack Morris’s postseason record. And their regular season records are like a fight between prime Muhammad Ali and Star Wars Kid.
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12:14 |
: But thankfully, we don’t have to talk about Morris again until the Veterans Committee makes a hilariously poor decision to induct him
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12:14 |
Cecchini and Owens for Cole Hamels? |
12:15 |
: Phils will want more than that. I like Owens, too, but the Phillies have been asking for the stars but willing to settle for only 99% of them.
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12:16 |
whos the first domino to fall in the pitching market? guys on the trade block count too |
12:16 |
: I think Lester signs fairly quickly
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12:16 |
No 1st rounder Dan. Protected pick this season. |
12:16 |
: Oh duh.
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12:16 |
: Second round.
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12:16 |
: I sometimes forget how much the Red Sox sucked in 2014.
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12:16 |
Probably the most realistic trade possibility you’ll see for a while: Cespedes for Ian Kennedy, who says no? Both were roughly 3 WAR players the past few years, both are 29 and owed $10.5Mish heading into contract years. I mean the Red Sox could get a bit more for the premium on power. |
12:16 |
: It’s not an unreasonable trade.
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12:16 |
Is one year of Samardzija really worth Bogaerts? That seems like a terrible trade for the Sox. |
12:16 |
: It’s not like they’re going to use Bogaerts.
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12:17 |
How do you send articles you write to Community to be considered for posting? |
12:17 |
: Wait, what?
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12:17 |
: The TV show? Is this a reference I don’t get?
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12:17 |
Taking on BJ’s $46 million contract isn’t steep? |
12:18 |
: The Braves want actual players. I don’t think they’re going to simply give away Upton as the price for another team taking the other one.
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12:18 |
Any thoughts on the Adam LaRoche signing? |
12:18 |
: Meh.
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12:18 |
: The White Sox have essentially already spent $18 million in 2015 to improve from 73 to 75 wins. O frabjous day!
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12:19 |
______ _______ _______ doodyburgers _____ _______. |
12:19 |
: too many. i’d have to use up all my schoolyard insults.
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12:19 |
Panda hasnt signed the deal yet right? |
12:19 |
: Mixed signals
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12:19 |
Well HanRam isn’t a SS, so Xander fits in fine. |
12:19 |
: Sandoval isnt’ a $100 million player either. DIdn’t prevent him from getting it.
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12:19 |
Umm…was that guy saying both Mookie and Bogaerts? If so, how in the blue blazes would the White Sox say no?!?!?! |
12:19 |
: The White Sox aren’t that well run.
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12:19 |
Does Nelson Cruz get the contract that he wants this time around or is he in for another disappointment? Right handed power bats do seem to be in demand…. |
12:20 |
: He’s going to be disappointed.
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12:20 |
: He had a good year in 2014, but nobody gets to buy that year, only his decline phase.
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12:20 |
: A good 2014, but he’s another year older.
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12:20 |
Do you think poor minor league hitting instruction has anything to do with decreased offense in MLB |
12:20 |
: I don’t believe so.
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12:20 |
So when does that loquacious lambaster Cistullo post the Braves ZiPS on FanGraphs? |
12:21 |
: I’ve given that feckless jackanapes discretion as to when to start, becuase the holiday week makes everything weird.
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12:21 |
At what point can Jeff Francouer be a value signing, assuming there is one? |
12:21 |
: Well, he’s signed a minor league contract with the Phillies.
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12:22 |
So excited that its almsot ZiPS time. Any chance to find out a sneak peak at Addison Russell? Over/under of 102 OPS+ |
12:22 |
: Holding off – I mostly give sneak peeks to players that are news relevant.
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12:22 |
Do you have a ZiPS on Garin Cecchini? Would it really be surprising if he could be close to as good as Sandoval in 2016? |
12:22 |
: Like Cecchini, who is news relevant at hte moment due to Sandoval
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12:24 |
: 262/339/370, 95 OPS+ 1.0 WAR for Cecchini.
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12:24 |
How does Bogaerts not fit? Hanley isn’t likely to be at SS. |
12:25 |
: I’m not convinced they would instantly move Hanley to left.
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12:26 |
: They essentially moved Bogaerts off position last year for a guy that sat around in the spring not playing baseball.
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12:26 |
: The corner outfield positions in Fenway are kinda tricky.
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12:27 |
: And Ramirez has zero professional games in the outfield.
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12:27 |
: But let’s say that they move Ramirez to left. Now they’re just making it even harder to find room for Mookie Betts instead.
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12:28 |
: And Ramirez isn’t that exciting as a leftfielder unless you think he’s going to be a +10 or something
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12:28 |
over/under $170m in guaranteed in Lester’s eventual contract? |
12:28 |
: Oh, $170? I’d take the under.
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12:28 |
i eat vegetarian on mondays. i am eating a tuna fish sandwich for lunch. tuna is vegetarian, right? |
12:28 |
: I don’t like canned tuna.
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12:28 |
: Give me seared actual tuna or nothing.
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12:29 |
Star wars kid had some moves, Dan. |
12:29 |
Hanley plays like Sandoval looks |
12:29 |
isn’t the obvious move for the phillies to offer to pay all of hamels contract? |
12:29 |
: The Phillies want *all* the gift baskets.
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12:29 |
like you can pay $23/year for hamels, or you can pay $23/year and literally have the best farm system in baseball, and save your franchise |
12:30 |
: Did the Phillies fire Amaro? They’re not paying 100% to get more prospects.
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12:30 |
: They want to pay 0 *and* get the farm. And they’ll have a temper tantrum and ball their fists and slam doors if you don’t give it to them.
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12:31 |
Using Steamer, $6m/WAR (with subsequent inflation), and taking arbitration into account it seems as though Seager is worth about $164m over the next 7 years. That can’t be right, can it? |
12:31 |
: ZiPS actually has him around that oo now that I’m looking.
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12:32 |
What will happen with Ike Davis |
12:32 |
: Meh-ness.
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12:32 |
Would your head figuratively explode if Boston trades Pedroia this offseason? |
12:32 |
: Probably.
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12:32 |
do you think cards have a shot at one of the “big” FA starters? |
12:32 |
: I think they do. Lester strikes me as more likely.
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12:33 |
The “meh” of the LaRoche signing is better than the actively bad Dunn signing. Say, why are ex-Nats 1B/DH named Adam a favorite White Sox target? |
12:34 |
: Dunn did turn out worse than a reasonable expectation though.
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12:34 |
Out of curiosity, what sort of criteria do different writers use when evaluating potential trades? I ask because I’ve read a few FG writers saying that the Phils will get a stick of gum for Hamels, and now you’re saying more than Owens/Cecchini. |
12:34 |
: I’m not other writers.
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12:34 |
: So I can’t answer the question.
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12:34 |
: In the end, it’ll come down to just how much the Phillies want salary relief
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12:34 |
So you can’t see Hanley in LF, Xander at SS and Cespedes trade for whatever? It’s not a particularly crazy route to take, and makes a lot more sense than trading X for Hamels/Shark/whatever. |
12:35 |
: Yeah, but Hanley in left is quite uninteresting.
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12:35 |
: The Red Sox already had Xander at SS, Cespedes in left, and like $100 million.
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12:36 |
12:36 |
: Oh, I assume you email the Daves.
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12:36 |
how would you unblock Xander and Mookie? Trade others or trade them for a ton? |
12:36 |
: At this point, it’s hard to unblock. Might as well trade. Though Bogaerts is probably at his lowest value.
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12:36 |
: I really don’t know that much about FanGraphs policies.
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12:37 |
: Why do I get seemingly all the FanGraphs policy questions? I’m not on staff. There’s actually a Dave Cameron chat!
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12:37 |
There are rumors the O’s are looking at guys like Melky Cabrera and Torii Hunter as “fall-back” options in case they fail to resign Markakis. Is it just me or do you think either of those players are upgrades over Nick at least in the short term? |
12:37 |
: It’s all an unimpressive group.
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12:38 |
: Would probably take Melky, but none of them are likely to be all that great over the course of their conrtracts.
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12:38 |
There are rumors that SF is looking at Lester now that Panda went to Boston. If this happens, would you see the Cubs making a strong push at Scherzer? |
12:38 |
: I see the Cubs makign a Scherzer push regardless.
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12:38 |
NYY responds to BOS’s splurge with Lester+ Moncada + Headley. True or false? |
12:38 |
: It’s possible. And it would be the better use of cash.
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12:38 |
: I don’t think the Yankees sign Lester though.
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12:38 |
Does my old fave and ballot 1st timer Darin Erstad get any hof votes? |
12:38 |
: I bet he gets a token one.
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12:38 |
ChiSox can have both Abreu and Sale on the team through 2019. What are the chances that they can actually contend during that time? |
12:39 |
: A lot can happen in 5 years.
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12:39 |
: Though I will say this, both of those players are at their peak RIGHT NOW.
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12:39 |
: Yes, Sale’s only 25, but the thing is, when a pitcher is at Cy Young level at any time, you have to consider them at their peak.
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12:40 |
: Because for Cy Young level pitchers, all the risk is one-sided and frequently quite ugly.
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12:40 |
Major free agent contract ranking (from best to worst): 1) Hanley, 2) Martin, 3) Sandoval, 4) VMart? |
12:40 |
: Martin, Hanley, Sandoval, VMart
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12:40 |
: but not worst FOR THE TIGERS
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12:40 |
: if we’re talking specifically for the teams, Martin, VMart, Hanley, Sandoval
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12:41 |
Dan you’re depressing the hell out of me. SURELY the Red Sox trade Cespedes and move Ramirez to LF, rather than trading possibly the best young player we’ve had in years… I mean Cespedes isn’t even particularly good |
12:41 |
: I don’t see *any* of the Ramirez position options, now that Sandoval is signed, as being all that good.
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12:42 |
Seager 7/$100 covers 3 arb + 4 FA years. Seems like a high number? |
12:42 |
: I dont’ think so.
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12:42 |
if the Panda doesnt sign with the Sox does Hanley play 3rd? |
12:43 |
: That would be the only scenario in which Hanley really makes that much sense to me.
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12:43 |
: You guys act like Hanley playing in left is some panacea to make the contract make sense. It isn’t
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12:44 |
: You know what scenario Hanley makes sense? The Red Sox play him at third because they took a time machine and stopped the Sandoval signing (assuming it’s done)
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12:44 |
Explain to me why OPS+ even exists, and why furthermore why you would actually mention it as if it were a relevant statistic. |
12:44 |
: Because it’s simple and gets the job done.
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12:46 |
: The cons of using OPS+ in a discussion as opposed to wRC+ are easily avoided by anybody who actually understands the construction of sabermetric stats.
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12:47 |
: OPS+ doesn’t actually use OPS. It uses OBP and SLG. You can explain that to the masses very easily. You can only explain linear weights to the already-converted.
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12:47 |
If M. Ramirez can play left in fenway, so can H. Ramirez. |
12:47 |
: Manny Ramirez was a much better hitter than Hanley.
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12:47 |
Is it really that hard to picture Hanley being worth more as an alright LFer than a shitty SS? Actually, maybe it’ll be closer than I think with postional adjustment. Regardless, the Sox are collecting pieces right now. I’m not sure even they know what the line up will look like opening day. |
12:49 |
: He’d have to be a really good leftfielder.
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12:49 |
: Which again, is tricky in Boston and he’s never played the position.
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12:50 |
: And he was extremely unhappy about being moved to 3rd and let the team know it
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12:50 |
Okay, who projects better, mookie or xander? |
12:50 |
: Betts
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12:51 |
: Mookie Betts top comp in ZiPS, BTW, is Andrew McCutchen. Obviously not his average outlook, of course, but I thought I’d mention it.
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12:51 |
: But anyway, anything the Red Sox do with Hanley to make room for Bogaerts makes less room for Betts.
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12:51 |
Think you’re off on the Red Sox thinking on Bogaerts. They moved him to third last year because they had a total black hole at third. It made sense at the time to do that. And note that they kept him in the lineup the entire season. And Hanley can scarcely play ss anymore. Bogaerts is definitely their starting ss next season |
12:52 |
: And in that case, they’re overpaying a leftfielder instead of a SS and making it harder to play Betts isntead of Bogaerts. Woo.
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12:52 |
Know what else is uninteresting – all of this Red Sox talk |
12:52 |
Hanley’s .841 OPS from 2012-2014 would’ve ranked 12th among all MLB outfielders. |
12:52 |
: Good thing it’s December of 2011 when they’re signing Hanley.
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12:53 |
Ike to Oakland – the A’s have to go to arbitration with him, right? Seems like the $6M or whatever he could get is a bit risky. |
12:53 |
: It’s definitely a risk. Enough that I would’ve waited for the non-tender.
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12:53 |
To submit to the community blog, 1) register/sign in with Fangraphs and 2) click “Submit Article” in the gray bar below the menus. |
12:53 |
At what age is Ramen noodles no longer an appropriate meal? |
12:54 |
: A good ramen bar is always cool.
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12:54 |
: But those 20-cent packs of dried ramen? They become inappropriate once you’re employed.
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12:54 |
What is the hardest asset for a MLB team to acquire? An Ace? |
12:54 |
: Yes. Not many and hard to get.
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12:54 |
Better deal: Hanley’s or Martin’s? |
12:54 |
: Martin
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12:55 |
Exactly how awful is the White Sox farm system? |
12:55 |
: They’re actually a little better than the last few years, I think.
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12:55 |
What does the Hanley deal do for Ian Desmond and the Nats? |
12:56 |
: Not much. The Nats are unlikely to make Desmond a better offer – their offer was already quite aggressive
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12:56 |
Red Sox Yankees Freaky Friday? Have these teams switched bodies or what? I will be rooting against the Red Sox and their store-bought players. |
12:56 |
I’m not sure why you are convinced Bogaerts isn’t in the plan. |
12:56 |
: Either Bogaerts or Betts isn’t.
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12:56 |
But Hanley has been a bad defender his whole career. Why would a change in position hurt his value? |
12:58 |
: Because offensive is more valuable at certain positions. If you actually look at how defensive stats change on position moves, you’ll see it’s not presto-chango plus that magically reflects the increase in replacement level offense
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12:58 |
: The average SS–>OF move isn’t 15 runs.
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12:59 |
: Bad defenders tend to get *less* of a gain upon playing an easier positon
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12:59 |
: Your -5 SS doesn’t magically become a +15 1B.
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12:59 |
So if the Red Sox trade Bogaerts, they’re replacing him with a guy who can barely play short, trading Bogaerts at his lowest value, and will have no long-term shortstop after the next year or two. You really think this is what the Sox are doing? |
1:00 |
: They’re either doing that or blocking Betts.
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1:00 |
: Neither scenario is smart.
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1:00 |
Why must I be 21 to visit a brewery website? Is there some technology that delivers alcohol via the internet, and if so how do I make it work |
1:00 |
: Puritans.
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1:00 |
What is the spread between OPS+ an wRC+ the two rarely seem to be more than 4-5% apart |
1:01 |
: They’re very close. OPS+ has problems at scaling, which almost never actually matter in a real-world discussion of something going on at baseball.
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1:01 |
: 100 to 150 being a much bigger improvement than 150 to 200 in OPS+ is something that actually matters in a debate precisely never.
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1:01 |
https://twitter.com/jcrasni… “Multiple sources say reported 5-yr, $90M contract figure for Hanley Ramirez is “not accurate.” No further details right now.” oh boy |
1:02 |
Would a Xander for Zach Wheeler trade make sense? Seems to fill holes for both teams and then at least the Red Sox would be trading Xander for another young, controllable player and not wasting him on Hamels. |
1:02 |
: That would be fun, but I expect it woudln’t happen.
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1:02 |
Ike Davis -> OAK. This is THE move, amirite? |
1:03 |
: Not really crazy. On Ike Davis, I think the ship has sailed, returned, and all the passengers have returned to work from their vacation.
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1:03 |
What about Hanley at 3rd and Pablo at 1st? |
1:03 |
: 3rd is probalby where Hanley should be, but Panda at first is extremely unexciting.
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1:04 |
: If I assume that Sandoval is a +10 defender at 1B in recent years, he *starts* the contract at 2.3 WAR.
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1:05 |
: Because, again, the difference of 15 runs between 3B and 1B offensively by wRC per season does not mean that the average player is suddenly going to gain 15 runs in defensive performance relative to average on moving to 1B.
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1:05 |
Why haven’t the Braves traded Craig Kimbrel yet? |
1:05 |
: They like building around a closer for some reason.
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1:06 |
I’d say 16. The age when you are able to get a job. |
1:06 |
: No, I’d say 21.
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1:06 |
Dan, tell us how you really feel about hanley’s contract |
1:06 |
: I don’t hate the Hanley contract. I hate the Sandoval contract, which has the effect of the Hanley contract becoming the world’s most expensive exercise in masturbation.
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1:07 |
: Well, second-most. Forgot about California’s high-speed rail.
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1:07 |
Who do you have starting in RF for the Sox over Betts?!?! Please don’t say Victorino!!! |
1:07 |
: You really think Victorino doesn’t get first shot?
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1:08 |
The Presidential race is 50/50…what happens if there’s a tie?? |
1:08 |
: Then I guess we have a runoff
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1:08 |
: Arthur’s made a comeback – he was down 63-37 at one point earlier.
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1:08 |
: Looks like the Arthur precincts were slow to count the ballots.
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1:09 |
Also, Hanley hasn’t been a good defender in years at any position. With no experience in the outfield, there’s no guarantee he’s going to provide value there. I thought the Hanley signing to play 3B was smart, but signing Sandoval complicates things and will likely lead to a move that’s detrimental to the team. |
1:09 |
Hanley Ramirez terms with #RedSox, per source: Four years, $88M with fifth-year vesting option valued at $22M. – Rosenthal |
1:09 |
What was up with the Heyman twitter-spat last week? Do you think Ryan Howard and RAJ conspired with him to say those things? |
1:10 |
: I was confused – it seemed to happen in its entirety while I wasn’t on Twitter.
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1:10 |
: Someone told me that only Amaro and Howard liked the Howard contract, so I googled Howard contract reactions.
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1:10 |
: And Heyman’s was up at the top because his was the first postiive one I found.
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1:10 |
: Also mentioned other Phillies writers.
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1:11 |
: The only person I directly even talked to was Matt Swartz, who I teased a bit on Twitter. When the contract was signed, he said “it’s not like Howard is Miguel Cairo” so I noted that Miguel Cairo, over the course of his career, had more WAR/year than Howard during his contract.
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1:11 |
: (He hadn’t responded, I dont’ think he’s into Twitter)
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1:11 |
: So I go out an eat and come back and apparently I’m feuding with Heyman
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1:12 |
How would you rate Cherington the last few years? |
1:12 |
: Meh-plus. Some good, some bad. Not particularly impressed or unimpressed overall.
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1:12 |
to the ramen question- 16 is unreasonable. you have to be able to eat it in college for a few years. 21 is right |
1:13 |
If the Panda and Hanley deals are officially done, aren’t we freaking out a little early? Seems like the most likely scenario is that they’re actively negotiating with both. Winner is the 3B, loser goes home. |
1:14 |
: That doesn’t strike me as likely. In high stakes negotiating, you can’t do the 80s sitcom thing of asking two girls to the prom and then bring them both and try to make sure they avoid each other.
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1:14 |
: Uh-oh, we have a tie!
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1:14 |
: So I think what happens
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1:15 |
: Is that *both* advance, making the Taylor, Arthur, and the winner of McKinley vs. Taft a TRIPLE THREAT MATCH
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Last yr, Robinson Cano, entering age 31, 37.2 career WAR: $24M AAV for 10 yrs This yr, Hanley Ramirez, same, 40.2 WAR: $22M AAV for 4 yrs. -Swydan |
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: Cano’s goodness also more recent and more reason to think he could stick at an important position.
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HOLD ON, I FORGOT TO VOTE!!! |
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: Sorry, there ain’t no provisional ballots in the Electoral Brawllege.
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Schilling is ranked 18th All-Time in fWAR. Lock to get in HOF?
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RA9 is better than FIP for entire careers. With RA9, he’s 32nd. Also, that only includes pitchers so he is not “ranked 18th All-Time in fWAR.” He’s ranked 51st all-time in WAR using FIP for pitchers, and 65th all-time in WAR using RA9 for pitchers.