Juan Soto’s Defense Is Quickly Declining

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Juan Soto is going to hit. This year, his first of many in Queens, his bat has come around nicely after a rough start; he’s slashing .251/.385/.495 for a 146 wRC+. That line is good for 10th in the majors, even if it’s a bit light by his standards. Offense is the main and most important part of Soto’s game, but it’s not the only thing. He has also played 120 games and 1,053 innings in right field for the Mets. On that end, he has struggled, and the most concerning part is related to his speed.

Soto has never been more than an average runner. Even in his early 20s, he peaked at only a 60th-percentile sprint speed, and from 2020-2024, he hovered around the mid-30s. Not the slowest in the league, but not speedy by any means. That’s not necessarily a problem; there are plenty of not great runners who are above average in the outfield. But when you’re near the bottom of the speed spectrum, you have very little room for error. Your reads, routes, and footwork have to be precise in pretty much every direction, and, well, Soto’s are not.

With -10 Outs Above Average and -10 Fielding Run Value, Soto has been the second-worst right fielder in baseball this season, behind only Nick Castellanos (-11). Overall, Soto falls into the first percentile by both OAA and FRV. He grades out a little better according to Defensive Runs Saved; with -3 runs, he is tied for 19th among the 25 players with at least 400 innings in right field.

To be clear, Soto has had rough defensive seasons before — he was even worse than this in 2022 — but he’s typically rebounded the following year. Defensive metrics can be quite volatile because of the small sample of opportunities in a given season, particularly for outfielders. The difference this time, though, is his declining speed. Combine that with his already-shoddy footwork and you’ve got a recipe for poor defense. Here is a summary of his defensive metrics and speed in recent years:

Juan Soto Defense
Season Primary Position OAA Sprint Speed Percentile FRV DRS
2021 RF 4 52nd 1 4
2022 RF -13 32nd -17 -2
2023 LF -7 37th -4 -6
2024 RF -4 36th -1 0
2025 RF -10 15th -10 -3

In the past when I’ve looked at outfield defense, I hadn’t considered coupling the data with a player’s sprint speed splits as a baserunner. In the outfield, the first 10 feet of your route are the most important, especially if you don’t have the top-end speed to make up the ground you lose at the start of the play. This season, it is taking Soto longer to accelerate into his sprint than it did before:

Juan Soto Running Splits
Season 5 ft 10 ft 15 ft 20 ft 25 ft
2021 0.55 0.87 1.13 1.37 1.59
2022 0.55 0.87 1.14 1.38 1.61
2023 0.55 0.86 1.12 1.36 1.58
2024 0.54 0.85 1.12 1.36 1.58
2025 0.56 0.88 1.16 1.40 1.63
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

It makes sense, then, that Soto’s outfield jumps have also gotten worse. Statcast has Jump metric that measures how much ground outfielders cover above or below average in the correct direction within the first three seconds that a pitch is released. It is made up of three components: reaction, burst, and route. Reaction measures the amount of feet an outfielder covers in any direction within the first 1.5 seconds, while burst tracks the distance covered over the next 1.5 seconds. Route compares this with the amount of ground the outfielder covers in the correct direction during the full three-second span. Like the overall Jump metric to which they contribute, reaction, burst, and route are also measured in feet above or below average in the correct direction.

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This season, Soto’s overall Jump is 1.6 feet below average, down from his mark of 0.9 feet above average last year. He ranks 79th out of 88 outfielders in Jump, after he was 34th out of 101 in 2024. Here are his annual Jump metrics since the start of 2021:

Soto Jump Components
Season Primary Position Reaction Burst Route Jump
2021 RF 0.9 0.0 -1.0 -0.1
2022 RF 0.4 -1.5 -0.2 -1.3
2023 LF 0.4 0.2 -0.8 0.3
2024 RF 0.9 0.2 -0.3 0.9
2025 RF -0.6 -1.1 0.1 -1.6
SOURCE: Baseball Savant

Aside from 2022, the reaction and burst components have been relatively consistent for Soto. Last year, his slight improvements across the board added up to his fielding performance best in recent seasons, but that clearly didn’t last long. It’s possible that at least some of this decline could be the result of Soto regressing to the mean following his best defensive season since 2021. However, such a simple explanation doesn’t account for the deterioration of his reaction and burst, which are so drastic that, even as his routes have improved, his Jump has gone from slightly above average in 2024 to bottom of the league this season. All of this is related to his diminishing speed.

Soto’s defensive downturn can also be attributed to his poor reads of batted balls from right-handed hitters, against whom most of his struggles have come this season. He entered this year with -5 OAA for his career as a right fielder on right-handed batted balls, compared to -10 on balls hit by lefties. This season, though, he’s been worth -7 OAA on righty batted balls and -2 against lefties. Right-handed batted balls can be difficult plays for right fielders because the ball tends to slice toward the line and spin both horizontally and vertically. Here’s an example from this season:

This ball was 104 mph off the bat with five seconds of hang time. It was struck right into the area at Citi Field in right field where the fence is slightly deeper. And you can see that Soto’s read was messy. He took off with a turn over his right shoulder, sprinted backwards for a few steps, then switched to the other direction after he realized the spin of the ball would carry it toward the foul pole.

As he adjusted, he took his eyes off the ball for an extended period of time, and upon picking it up again, he then had to consider where he was in relation to the outfield wall, which he was quickly approaching. Still, even with the wall nearby, if he had gotten a better jump in terms of directionality and taken a more efficient route, he probably would have camped under this fly ball instead of scrambling and spinning while going after it. The ball was hanging up there for enough time for Soto to grab it – even with his lack of speed – if his first step took the spin into consideration. I’ve included only the Soto portion of the same play below so you can watch just his footwork and route:

These miscues of footwork and first-step pace and direction when going back have been a key problem for Soto over the years; on his fielding opportunities when going back on balls this season, he has posted -5 OAA, after finishing with -3 last year, -2 in 2023, and -9 in 2022. This becomes more interesting when you break it down further, by the lateral direction of the balls hit behind him. In the past, his struggles going back on balls have come on those hit more directly overhead rather than to one side or the other; these plays can be more difficult because the outfielder has to turn all the way around, making it tough to pick up the ball and determine just how far it is traveling. This year, though, he’s run into even greater trouble on batted balls hit back and toward the right field line, like the one in the clip above. It’s worth mentioning that he has gone from playing home games at Yankee Stadium, with its short porch in right field, to doing so at Citi Field, where right field is spacious and oddly shaped. This is probably exacerbating the problem, but it doesn’t seem to be the cause, as he’s also had trouble in other parks:

The first of the two clips above shows Soto looking uncomfortable on a ball hit straight behind him rather than toward the right field corner, while the second one features him going after a deep fly ball in the right-center gap; he gets there in time, but because he is hesitant as he approaches the warning track, unsure of where he is relative to both the ball and the wall, he just misses it.

Taking the correct first step is just as important when coming in balls. On that end, Soto has also been worth -5 OAA. The evidence once again points to subpar reads against right-handed batted balls. Let’s go through the two examples, both of which take him toward the line:

Soto is going the wrong direction right off the bat. You can tell by his momentum as soon as the camera pans to the outfield. With a full extension, off-balance swing out of the zone, the odds of this ball going over his head aren’t great. That slight misstep to start is the difference between an out and a hit, but he still has to do better recovering after the misread. Here’s another example:

On this relatively low and flailed liner, Soto’s first steps are back. I’m actually OK with that, but as soon as he realizes the ball is in front of him, he doesn’t charge hard; instead, he continues his roundabout route and the ball drops in front of him, as if he knows he won’t get to it. This all goes back to his decreased speed. It looks like he doesn’t want to risk overrunning the ball, which would turn a single into a double, and decides to play it safe. The thing is, these soft batted balls are precisely the ones Soto should risk going hard for, because even if he misses it, it isn’t likely to get too far behind him. If he’s going to be passive because he’s losing speed, his first steps are going to be all the more important.

I’m not exactly sure what this means for Soto. He’s still only 26, he’s only made two non-COVID trips to the IL as a major leaguer — 10 days for back spasms in 2019, 14 days for a shoulder strain in 2021 — and his body composition is about the same as it’s always been, so it’s hard to explain why his speed has suddenly declined. He has missed a game or two here and there over the years with right knee or calf soreness, or a minor contusion of some sort, and there are times when he appears to be in agony after fouling a ball off his foot; otherwise, though, he is in the lineup pretty much every day, mostly playing through his aches and pains. Late last season, he had an injury scare when he banged his left knee against the right field wall in foul territory while making a sliding catch in Seattle. It looked bad, and maybe it was bad, but he stayed in for the rest of the game, came in off the bench the next day to hit an RBI double, then started the following game. Ultimately, he was fine. Perhaps these various day-to-day ailments are adding up, but there’s no indication that he’s been hurt for the bulk of this season in a way that could be compromising his speed or defense. In fact, he’s been way more aggressive as a basestealer this season, and usually when players are hurt, they attempt fewer stolen bases. We’ve established that his diminished speed is one of the leading factors of his fielding woes, but we can’t really answer the question of why he is running so much slower.

It’s possible that there’s something wrong with Soto that we don’t know about, something that he and the Mets are keeping to themselves, and if that’s the case, maybe both his speed and his defense will rebound some. But until that happens, I am going to be concerned that what we’re seeing is a permanent decline in ability rather than a temporary blip.





Esteban is a contributing writer at FanGraphs. One of his main hobbies is taking dry hacks every time he sees a bat.

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Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
1 year ago

Bit of a “dog bites man” story, no?

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago

He’s certainly looked like one of the worst right fielders in baseball this year. Just fly ball after fly ball that should be caught turning into hits past his outstretched glove. It’s part of the package and everyone knew about it going into the free-agent contract, but it’s still a little dispiriting to watch. Obviously his long-term future is DHing but I hoped it’d take a few more years to get there.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
11 months ago

I was shocked that Teoscar Hernandez wasn’t 2nd worst, but then I saw that he’s right on Soto’s heels, which made sense.

I was not prepared for Acuña to be right behind Teoscar, though! I wonder if he’s moved to DH at some point with his injury history and Ozuna’s contract ending

sadtromboneMember since 2020
11 months ago

Maybe, he also did just come back from a fairly major injury. Maybe they see what he looks like after an offseason of rest.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
11 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I’m hoping for the same; you see plays like his highlight throw from a few weeks ago and gotta believe he can at least get to average-ish (I have no such hopes for my beloved Mr Seeds)

carterMember since 2020
11 months ago

Not trading Murphy to me says they really intend on getting Baldwins bat in there nearly everyday. Maybe DH Acuna vs lhp a fair bit, but he seems overly cautious right now in right field, and hard to blame him.

Not an expert
11 months ago

These guys are lucky that none of the Cleveland Guardians RFs are good enough hitters to stick there because they are are atrocious at RF.-13 OAA combined in 2025 already for that crew.

CJ Kayfus has been successful at hitting since he’s been called up and is a 1B playing RF, so I don’t expect that getting any better.

Last edited 11 months ago by Not an expert
sadtromboneMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  Not an expert

Is Santana still playing? It seems to me it’s time to turn it over to Kayfus and Manzardo.

Not an expert
11 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Santana plays some particularly against righty starters, almost always at 1B because he’s actually a good 1B.

Kayfus at 1B and Manzardo at DH could be the future if Kayfus is able to produce, but at the moment their CF and RF situations are so dire that they would rather stick their 1B in RF in hopes of at least getting some offense out of the position.

Cleveland has a whole -2.1 WAR at the position this year so I guess they are fine with his -3 OAA in 81 innings so far!

Last edited 11 months ago by Not an expert
cashgod27Member since 2024
1 year ago

Interesting that he’s managed to improve his baserunning so much and yet he’s never been able to figure out defense despite so much effort – I believe he said it’d mean more to him to win a Gold Glove than an MVP!

Obviously defense is going to be more dependent on raw tools than baserunning, where a guy like Freddie Freeman or Josh Naylor can make it to the top of the leaderboards, but this shows that even with the aspects most under his control, he’s going in the wrong direction.

NorthWallMember since 2021
11 months ago
Reply to  cashgod27

I have no stats behind me, only anecdotal observations from watching enough games this year.

Soto AVOIDS walls. At all costs!
I have never seen a player behave this way, for a full season.

The last time Soto came remotely close to a wall happened to be the very same clip in this post, vs the Rays at Citi Field.

Is it fear of getting injured?
Is it a PPP (paycheck protection plan)?
Or has this always been the case?

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago

I thought the shine would wear off this contract when Soto downgraded to being a DH and there was still $500-600m left on the contract, but it doesn’t look inconceivable that the Mets will go into 2026 owing a DH $700m over 14 years.

hebrewMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

I’m struggling to see why that matters at all.

Adam SMember since 2016
11 months ago
Reply to  hebrew

The difference between a passable RF and DH is 1-1.5 WAR per year. If Soto is “forced” to DH 4 years sooner than planned that knocks 4-6 WAR off his value over the contract. That’s maybe $50M in value.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
11 months ago
Reply to  TKDC

Hear me out: Soto’s contract will age well if you believe this season is his floor and not a sign of injury. As a guy who doesn’t need speed/defense to generate most of his value, he could age more like Gwynn (probably better than Gwynn considering modernization, but that’s the idea)

carterMember since 2020
11 months ago

If he is already losing speed (he might be told not to run out ground balls, but that doesn’t explain jump) I wouldn’t bet on him aging well, as jump is a similar trait to reaction time. Not that they are directly correlated, but guys start to lose speed and (bat speed) and have to sell out for pull side power to catch fastballs all the time late in career. Not saying he is anywhere near there as it is clearly evident he isn’t, but he might be far less years away that we guessed.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
11 months ago
Reply to  carter

Juan Soto’s value to the discourse might be even greater than to his team lol

TKDCMember since 2016
11 months ago

I do think this is close to the floor for a healthy Soto, at least from an offensive perspective, at least for now.

I really do have a hard time believing that there wasn’t hope that last year was a new normal or at least close to it. But it was really the outlier for him (ignoring his abbreviated 2020).

But honestly, to me even his 2024 season doesn’t really translate to an Arod-type, record-breaking contract.

Just because it was somewhat understandable as a “statement” by the Mets doesn’t mean there won’t be massive regrets in fairly short order.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 year ago

Wait, you’re saying that we can’t figure out why a 26 year old isn’t performing as well the year after signing a generational wealth-level contract? He’s not hurt, his body looks the same….guess we’ll never know!

mconsultatlMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Guy already had generational wealth before the contract. Check out what he was paid in arbitration; $31m alone in 2024 alone. And he does play almost every day. If he wanted to sit out more he could, but he doesn’t. Oh and he steals more, something that no one expects but he does. What a lolly gagger.

He is bad at defense. That is the main problem. And he is slower, which could be a blip or could be permanent. Why is he slower? We don’t know!

I expect that the adjustment from yankee stadium to citi was not good and has had a spillover affect (positioning, comfort, routes). Yankee stadium was really the perfect place for him to play defense. If he has to DH sooner, that does hurt the contract value. Luckily Steve Cohen will be okay.

carterMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  mconsultatl

Think of it this way, Yankees literally are starting Stanton at home in right field. They don’t start him on the road in rf unless it’s in uhh Tampa which is built like, well, you guessed it

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  airforce21one

I’m honestly not sure what you’re even trying to oh-so-cleverly hint at here. Lack of effort now that there’s no further “incentive” like he’s some robotic calculating agent, but this for some reason applies only in the field, and he stops being homo economicus again in the hitting half of each inning? Hung over from partying every night? Weight of his full pockets slowing him down?

Jason BMember since 2017
11 months ago

Agreed with Hot Foot – instead of simply implying something, why not come right out and say what you’re getting at?

And it is fascinating that as soon as a ball jumps off a bat, the first thing that apparently is running through his mind is “I’m set for life, I don’t have to try…but not full-on no effort, I have to still make it look like I’m trying so I don’t get criticized by fans and teammates and crucified in the newspapers, so I’ll just take my foot off the gas eeeeever so slightly…” Just totally overriding the heretofore lifelong instinct of “that 104 MPH ball is coming my way, I’d better get on that!”

airforce21oneMember since 2026
11 months ago
Reply to  Jason B

I’m saying that an elite hitter who now has one of the biggest contracts in sports history may not put as much effort into an underappreciated, difficult endeavor. Crazy, huh?

Oh, Beepy.Member since 2024
11 months ago
Reply to  airforce21one

It’s not crazy if you’re commenting on ESPN but this is FanGraphs and you sound like a goof

Jason BMember since 2017
11 months ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Crazy, huh?

Indeed. Glad you said it, not me.

sadhulkMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  airforce21one

On some level I understand why it’s hard for some people to be normal about Juan Soto, but it doesn’t make it any less annoying.

bigpizzamanMember since 2024
1 year ago

He’s a horrible defensive outfielder. Has been for years and was only going to get worse with age. Maybe the Mets can convert him to 1B at some point. Otherwise, you’re looking at a $700m DH

hebrewMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  bigpizzaman

OH NO! The richest owner in a sport with no salary cap is paying a generationally talented young hitter a lot of money and he’s not going to play the field!

This is really something that matters!

Jewish PacheMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  hebrew

I know this isn’t the fun answer, but respectfully, I think there’s room for both ‘Soto is an incredible player that everybody would love to have on there team’ and also ‘It’s a bit concerning how much he has looked like Castellanos in the outfield at age 26 with that much guaranteed money left.’ Both matter, even if the Mets are happy to pay him regardless

hebrewMember since 2016
11 months ago
Reply to  Jewish Pache

I guess I’m just at a loss to figure out why the dollar amount matters.

Unless it’s preventing you from spending money on other players, which it’s not here, why is it relevant?

scott
11 months ago
Reply to  hebrew

The biggest myth is that there’s no opportunity cost with the Mets. It’s simply not true. The notion that they wouldn’t have spend money differently if they didn’t land Soto is laughable. Just like the Yankees there would have been a plan B. That plan B contains parts that would be too expensive in addition to the plan A

joelbarlow
1 year ago
Reply to  hebrew

he’s John Olerud without the defense and the helmet
he’s not a generational talent – whatever that means. he’s a very good hitter with negative value everywhere else

Oh, Beepy.Member since 2024
11 months ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

lol alright so John Olerud is my all time favorite baseball player. He was my favorite Blue Jay and I am staring at my collection of his autographs.

At the conclusion of his age 26 season, Olerud had a 132 wRC+ and a .380 wOBA – very heavily propped up by his career year in ‘93.

Soto has a 157 wRC+ and a .400 wOBA. He’s already had two seasons that were measurably better than Olerud’s unreal 1993.

Olerud was absolutely amazing. And yet, still, this comparison shows that you do not appreciate the actual magnitude to which Juan Soto owns.

I’m sad for you.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
11 months ago
Reply to  hebrew

Weird point. Money matters, even to rich people. 700M spent on a DH is 700M you can’t spend elsewhere.

raregokusMember since 2022
11 months ago
Reply to  airforce21one

Yeah, money matters to rich people. But get this — $700 million matters less to someone with tens of billions of dollars than to someone with a smaller amount of money. The rest of the league might be playing with a soft cap, but the Mets definitely aren’t

Ostensibly RidiculousMember since 2020
1 year ago

Everything about Right Field in Citi Field looks weird.

joelbarlow
1 year ago

He’s probably a positive WAR player for what… 3 more years?

matthayden4Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

WAR includes offense, too.

JimmyMember since 2019
1 year ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

If he had a 100 wRC+ with his current defense and baserunning, he’d still be above replacement. Plus he’s moving to DH by then if he keeps this up. I would bet all of my savings in a heartbeat that Soto’s an above average hitter in 4 years so long as he’s not hurt.

Jason BMember since 2017
11 months ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

Holy smokes is this a screaming horrible take. You can say “he may be DHing soon, that defense already looks pretty bad and won’t age gracefully” without saying things that are dumb on their face

joelbarlow
11 months ago
Reply to  Jason B

Let’s circle back in 2029 and evaluate how the season is going. I’ve granted him three more seasons of positive WAR.

sugarberg
11 months ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

Okay, Nostradamus.

cm26Member since 2025
11 months ago
Reply to  joelbarlow

Do you mean significantly positive? Like an average or better player? Or would .1 WAR count?

For the latter, you’re either saying he’s going to be a below average hitter in 4 seasons or that he’s going to be a -30 fielder and still played in the field for some reason and also a significantly worse hitter on top of that.

I’m curious to know why you’d think either thing

Last edited 11 months ago by cm26
sj1357Member since 2019
1 year ago

Maybe first is the place for Juan in a couple of years. How bad could he be? He’s more athletic than Alonso. Speed is irrelevant to the position. His arm is fine.

Roger McDowell Hot Foot
1 year ago
Reply to  sj1357

Sort of an interesting question — I think the answer depends on what you think are the underlying causes of his being terrible in RF. If you think it’s all down to foot speed, sure. If you think he has bad reads/jumps/reaction time, the infield might be a bad place for him too. I’m unsure how it’d go. Probably worth a try if he’s amenable to it, if/when Alonso departs.

raregokusMember since 2022
11 months ago

Should Pete’s presence play into the decision either way? I guess they need to consider the human side but his glove shouldn’t be keeping them from trying potentially better options out there

sadtromboneMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  raregokus

There is a decent chance Alonso will be playing by for another team next year.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
11 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It may happen but Alonso has added so much to his status as a true Met icon this year that it is difficult to see Cohen not meeting every offer that is out there. Assuming that is the case Alonso would be a fool to leave New York for a myriad of reasons.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  sj1357

I think it has to be a topic of conversation at least. We have seen corner outfielders convert to first base, and long speed and those sorts of reads aren’t as important there. But there are other things that are hard at first base (as Wash will tell you) so it’s not a guarantee he will convert effectively there.

Me, I would personally like to know more from someone who knows first base defense inside and out to give an assessment of his chances of converting.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
11 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Right. Harper moved to first and seems to be doing alright, but he was more athletic than Soto and at least played catcher in JUCO (I’m guessing catcher experience should help at first).

sadtromboneMember since 2020
11 months ago

Wil Myers fits that description too. And Brandon Moss was an infielder in high school.

Maybe Adam Dunn is an example of someone who made the switch but he was completely immobile when he did it. Maybe Carlos Lee is a model?

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
11 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I don’t disagree with the premise, but Rafael Devers might be a relevant, cautionary tale

carterMember since 2020
11 months ago

Harper was a SS/C/SP in college. He took to it pretty quickly.

Smiling PolitelyMember since 2018
11 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It’s not that hard, Soto. Tell him, SadTrombone.

carterMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  sj1357

I have seen videos of him taking grounders at first in the past, so it isn’t something that teams haven’t thought of

Dante
11 months ago
Reply to  sj1357

Tell ’em, Wash.

mills9laneMember since 2024
1 year ago

He should play left field like he used to. Easier to hide bad defenders there. Less 1b to 3rd. Less chance of a triple. Not as taxing on the body.

JamesFanMember since 2018
11 months ago
Reply to  mills9lane

Would also reduce bad reads off the bats of righties.

computersBaseball
11 months ago
Reply to  JamesFan

Is that different than bad LF reads off of lefty bats?

marcusthelionMember since 2020
11 months ago

yes, but only because there are fewer lefties & thus fewer chances for that bad read in the same number of defensive innings.
I, too, am surprised the Mets didn’t make this at the start of spring training.

dangledangleMember since 2024
11 months ago

He’s lost almost a whole ft/sec in sprint speed from last year to this year. It’s a huge drop.

slz
11 months ago

A lot of these plays are as much because he’s absolutely terrified of walls as they are him getting bad reads

sadtromboneMember since 2020
11 months ago

Yeah, maybe he’s slow, but when I see something about his reads being really bad from right handed hitting in particular it makes me wonder what he is seeing when he looks towards the ball from home plate. Is there something that could make it hard for him to see that is specific to his home stadium? Is it the same everywhere? He’s never been a great defender but he has had years where he has been average-ish, and he’s played in four home parks (although I think he was a left fielder in San Diego). Is there anything about Citi Field that could be making this worse?

slz
11 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Marte’s numbers also collapsed when he took over in RF at Citi but the eye test was pretty in line with that. Would have to go back and look at more players. Nimmo seems like he wasnt bothered too much the one year he spent extended time there and McNeil’s cameos seem about to expectation

They’ve messed with the dimensions before and I wonder if they’d bring the wall in some more to Soto’s benefit (both on D and O)

KeithMember since 2024
11 months ago

Another reason the Red Sox should’ve signed him! They could’ve just plunked him in front of the monster and be done with it. No running required there.
He was never a good fielder. He definitely seems a little wall shy(I would be too, running into those things hurts) which looks like it effects his ability to really go back quickly without concern. But hey, when you can rake like he can, who really cares. It’s not my money and having him in your lineup is one guy making outs less then 60% of the time. Maybe you full time DH him and he goes the full Ohtani with 45+ homers every year whilst maintaining the same OBP and other great peripherals.

JamesFanMember since 2018
11 months ago
Reply to  Keith

Manny without the crazy?

Adenzeno
11 months ago

Soto has always been a mediocre defensive player at best. No surprise. As a Mets fan, I hope that he opts out at 5 years…

Barney Coolio
11 months ago

Juan Soto is slow. It is weird that he is 20-1 on stolen bases this season. Just like it is weird that Barry Bonds had a notoriously weak throwing arm despite being on steroids and being the all time leader in home runs. The mysteries of baseball.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

There was literally a whole article on Soto and base stealing, and Bonds’s reputation for the weak arm happened long before he was doping. (And I might add that while power and throwing arm are usually well correlated that isn’t always the case. Kyle Schwarber’s arm used to be a cannon and before they moved him to DH it had completely degraded and he’s never stopped hitting for power. See also: James Wood, Jo Adell, Eloy Jimenez)

carterMember since 2020
11 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I would venture a lot of position players need TJ or have arm problems. Not many position players actually get it, though. As someone who’s needed TJ and not gotten it, it doesn’t make it so you can’t throw. It just doesn’t feel the same. Sometimes it hurts a tiny bit, sometimes it hurts a lot. Sometimes it doesn’t hurt at all. It is why on occasion people try rehab and rest.

bosoxforlifeMember since 2016
11 months ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Schwarber threw right handed and it is the trail arm that releases the power that the arm, wrist and hand lever has developed during the swing. His marvelous swing is a picture of what a short, compact swing looks like.

A Salty ScientistMember since 2024
11 months ago
Reply to  Barney Coolio

Bonds was extremely fast early in his career. If had even a close to average arm at that time, he would have played center. For many Atlanta fans, Bonds failing to throw out Bream is an enduring memory. I don’t really understand your connection between steroids and arm strength here. The correlation between arm strength and power seems rather weak.

sandwiches4everMember since 2019
11 months ago

So Yankee Stadium RF was really a good place for him to play D — there’s a pretty good chance if it goes over your head there, it’s in the seats.

I do think there may be an element where that play in Seattle last year didn’t affect him physically so much as psychologically — it’d give me a strong aversion toward running at a wall, for certain.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
11 months ago

Some serious Met fan copium in here.

Soto has always been a lousy defender, and while I haven’t watched him every day, he has plenty of plays where he seems to either not care or for whatever reason isn’t even attempting to get to the ball. The notion of “he’s getting paid now, he isn’t going to try as hard on defense” isn’t something to be dismissed out of hand.

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
11 months ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

I treat downvotes as confirmation. 🙂

CosmoMember since 2024
11 months ago
Reply to  drewsylvania

whatever helps you sleep at night

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
11 months ago
Reply to  Cosmo

I sleep fine, thanks. Why would I sleep badly? It’s not my team.

My point keeps getting proven.

computersBaseball
11 months ago

The thing is, these soft batted balls are precisely the ones Soto should risk going hard for, because even if he misses it, it isn’t likely to get too far behind him”

I think this is a strange assertion. Any batted ball that gets by an outfielder, even a softly hit one, is usually going faster than the outfielder can completely change directions and accelerate, and adds a minimum of 1 base, often 2.

Not saying he shouldn’t go harder with his initial read and play more aggressively in general, but soft batted balls that get by you are probably near as impactful as hard-hit ones.

CamH
11 months ago

Hardly surprising – he secured a massive bag despite a career of putting in very little effort on D. He was never going to decide to try harder afterwards.

catmanwayne
11 months ago

I think it takes Soto some time to adjust to new home ballparks. When he was traded to SD from WAS in 2022 his defense was really bad but he rebounded in 2023 after a few months of getting used to Petco Park. He was able to make do in Yankee stadium because they stuck him in front of their short porch which hid his lack of range. It’s likely this year is another adjustment period for him. Citi Field is a cave in comparison.

Jorge Soler vs Train (UNEXPECTED)
11 months ago

I wonder if there is an element of load management? Lots of hamstring injuries this year, and the best skill is availability. Lose a few DRS, make it up with a few more steals, play 162 games? If he went max speed he ends up with negative DRS anyways and more risk. Logically, I’d think this way knowing I wasn’t a burner, maybe he does too

carterMember since 2020
11 months ago

A lot of guys are on “don’t run hard” orders. That’s a thing. All the videos of Stanton trotting, does anyone actually think that’s his max speed? You don’t think if somehow he’s a baserunner with 2 outs in the 9th inning of the World Series (which if he hasn’t been pinch run for would make me question other things) that he would run a lot faster on a single to the outfield?

drewsylvaniaMember since 2019
11 months ago

I agree with this and w/carter. Sometimes it isn’t “loafing,” it’s team orders, or working with the team based on a prior injury.

Greg SimonsMember since 2016
11 months ago

“It’s possible (that) there’s something wrong with Soto (that) we don’t know about, something (that) he and the Mets are keeping to themselves…”

Oof, three unnecessary instances of”that” in a single sentence. *That* might be a record.