KATOH Projections for the Top 200 Prospects

This morning, Kiley McDaniel rolled out his much-anticipated FanGraphs Top 200 prospect List. If you haven’t had a chance to look through it yet, I strongly recommend that you do so. As a complement to Kiley’s rankings, I’ll be taking a quick look at how the players he ranked grade out according to KATOH — my methodology for projecting prospects’ career trajectories using solely minor league statistics.

I’ll start with a bit of a primer on the system. In sum, KATOH uses a series of statistical regressions that look at a prospect’s age and league-adjusted minor league stats. After taking all of this data into account, it spits out probabilities that a prospect will reach certain WAR thresholds through age 28. If you’re interested in a more nitty-gritty, technical explanation of how KATOH works, feel free to check out my pieces on KATOH for hitters and pitchers over at The Hardball Times.

Before diving into the list, I’d like to point out that KATOH is not intended to replace the scouting aspect of prospect evaluation. Statistical analysis is an important tool in player evaluation, but traditional scouting is also a very important piece of the puzzle, especially for minor leaguers who are still learning the fundamentals of baseball. As a result, KATOH’s projections are likely a bit low on raw, toolsy players, and is probably too high on guys who reached their upsides at a young age. Still, despite its flaws, KATOH tackles prospect evaluation from an objective point of view, which I think can be useful in identifying statistical factors that may have been overlooked by traditional prospect evaluations. Do not take these projections as gospel; they are simply alternative perspectives provided through the sole lens of a player’s performance.

With all of that in mind, here’s a look at how Kiley’s 142 ranked prospects correlate with KATOH’s forecasts. Note that this graphic only includes players who logged at least 200 plate appearances or 200 batters faced in 2014:

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I think the trend is pretty clear. On average, the prospects ranked from 50 on back receive very similar projections; somewhere in the range of +3 WAR through age 28, meaning that they are forecast to have little or no impact at the big league level. But the projected WARs start to increase in a hurry once you get into the top 50, as higher-end prospects both reach their ceilings more often and are better players when they do.

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I’ll be diving into some of the cases where KATOH disagrees with our list later this week. But for now, here’s each player on our Top 200, along with their KATOH projections. Keep in mind that the algorithm only considers what took place during the 2014 season, so players who sat out all of 2014 — like Miguel Sano — do not have KATOH projections. Projections that were calculated using fewer than 200 plate appearances or batters faced are marked with an asterisk (*). Again, absolutely not gospel, but perhaps interesting to look at.

Rank Player Position Team FV KATOH WAR thru age 28
1 Kris Bryant 3B CHC 70 16.0
2 Byron Buxton CF MIN 70 2.3*
3 Addison Russell SS CHC 65 13.1
4 Julio Urias LHP LA 65 12.2
5 Carlos Correa SS HOU 65 7.4
6 Corey Seager 3B LA 65 7.9
7 Lucas Giolito RHP WSH 65 5.0
8 Carlos Rodon LHP CHW 65 7.9*
9 Blake Swihart C BOS 60 4.3
10 J.P. Crawford SS PHI 60 4.4
11 Joc Pederson CF LA 60 18.3
12 Tyler Glasnow RHP PIT 60 6.9
13 Jorge Soler RF CHC 60 15.6
14 Francisco Lindor SS CLE 60 8.8
15 Miguel Sano 3B MIN 60 N/A
16 Joey Gallo 3B TEX 60 11.0
17 Daniel Norris LHP TOR 60 5.0
18 Mark Appel RHP HOU 60 1.7
19 Noah Syndergaard RHP NYM 60 11.5
20 Alex Jackson RF SEA 60 3.8*
21 Kyle Schwarber LF CHC 60 6.1
22 Dylan Bundy RHP BAL 60 2.0*
23 Eduardo Rodriguez LHP BOS 60 4.3
24 Jose Berrios RHP MIN 60 7.0
25 Robert Stephenson RHP CIN 60 2.2
26 Luis Severino RHP NYY 60 7.2
27 Chi-Chi Gonzalez RHP TEX 60 1.7
28 Jon Gray RHP COL 60 2.3
29 Jake Thompson RHP TEX 55 4.5
30 Austin Meadows CF PIT 55 6.9*
31 David Dahl CF COL 55 4.4
32 Archie Bradley RHP ARZ 55 5.7
33 Henry Owens LHP BOS 55 6.2
34 Ozhaino Albies SS ATL 55 10.6
35 Manuel Margot CF BOS 55 7.7
36 Hunter Harvey RHP BAL 55 5.0
37 Sean Manaea LHP KC 55 2.3
38 Maikel Franco 3B PHI 55 6.3
39 Jesse Winker LF CIN 55 6.5
40 Kevin Plawecki C NYM 55 3.2
41 Matt Wisler RHP SD 55 5.2
42 Eddie Butler RHP COL 55 0.8
43 Rio Ruiz 3B ATL 55 3.2
44 Jose Peraza 2B ATL 55 8.5
45 Tim Anderson SS CHW 55 2.2
46 Nomar Mazara RF TEX 55 5.7
47 Braden Shipley RHP ARZ 55 1.6
48 Rafael Devers 3B BOS 55 8.7*
49 Hunter Renfroe RF SD 55 1.8
50 Andrew Heaney LHP LAA 55 4.1
51 Aaron Nola RHP PHI 55 2.6
52 Steven Souza RF TB 55 5.2
53 Jorge Alfaro C TEX 55 2.1
54 Sean Newcomb LHP LAA 55 1.5*
55 D.J. Peterson 1B SEA 55 2.6
56 Brandon Finnegan LHP KC 55 3.2*
57 Reynaldo Lopez RHP WSH 55 2.1
58 Aaron Judge RF NYY 55 1.4
59 Aaron Blair RHP ARZ 55 2.3
60 Amed Rosario SS NYM 55 3.1
61 Raul Mondesi SS KC 55 6.8
62 Raisel Iglesias RHP CIN 55 N/A
63 Ryan Mcmahon 3B COL 55 4.6
64 C.J. Edwards RHP CHC 55 3.1
65 Steven Matz LHP NYM 55 2.2
66 Jameson Taillon RHP PIT 55 N/A
67 Jeff Hoffman RHP TOR 55 N/A
68 Max Fried LHP ATL 55 0.4*
69 Mike Foltynewicz RHP ATL 55 3.9
70 Aaron Sanchez RHP TOR 55 2.5
71 Alex Meyer RHP MIN 55 2.9
72 Nick Gordon SS MIN 55 1.8
73 Kohl Stewart RHP MIN 55 1.9
74 Tyler Kolek RHP MIA 55 0.6*
75 Vincent Velasquez RHP HOU 55 2.0
76 Alex Reyes RHP STL 55 3.7
77 Michael Conforto LF NYM 55 1.0*
78 Chance Sisco C BAL 55 6.0
79 Franklin Barreto SS OAK 55 6.6
80 Dalton Pompey CF TOR 50 7.1
81 Stephen Piscotty RF STL 50 3.9
82 Marco Gonzales LHP STL 50 3.9*
83 Trea Turner SS WSH 50 2.2
84 Brandon Drury 3B ARZ 50 2.8
85 Brandon Nimmo RF NYM 50 4.0
86 Andrew Susac C SF 50 2.4
87 Orlando Arcia SS MIL 50 3.1
88 Michael Lorenzen RHP CIN 50 1.5
89 Grant Holmes RHP LA 50 2.4*
90 Willy Adames SS TB 50 5.6
91 Raimel Tapia CF COL 50 3.3
92 Albert Almora CF CHC 50 1.8
93 Max Pentecost C TOR 50 0.4*
94 Kyle Zimmer RHP KC 50 0.2*
95 Erick Fedde RHP WSH 50 N/A
96 Justin O’Conner C TB 50 0.9
97 Daniel Robertson SS TB 50 3.4
98 Marcos Molina RHP NYM 50 5.3
99 Rob Kaminsky LHP STL 50 2.5
100 Jacob Lindgren LHP NYY 50 6.8*
101 Clint Frazier CF CLE 50 1.5
102 Jorge Mateo SS NYY 50 0.8*
103 Josh Bell RF PIT 50 1.9
104 Brian Johnson LHP BOS 50 2.3
105 Miguel Almonte RHP KC 50 2.1
106 Christian Bethancourt C ATL 50 4.0
107 Brett Phillips CF HOU 50 5.2
108 Jorge Polanco 2B MIN 50 2.7
109 Dilson Herrera 2B NYM 50 9.7
110 Kyle Freeland LHP COL 50 1.1*
111 Nick Kingham RHP PIT 50 3.2
112 Lucas Sims RHP ATL 50 1.3
113 Frankie Montas RHP CHW 50 2.9
114 Touki Toussaint RHP ARZ 50 1.0*
115 Kodi Medeiros LHP MIL 50 0.7*
116 Spencer Adams RHP CHW 50 N/A
117 Luis Ortiz RHP TEX 50 0.9*
118 Bradley Zimmer RF CLE 50 1.8
119 Roberto Osuna RHP TOR 50 13.8*
120 Greg Bird 1B NYY 50 5.2
121 Colin Moran 3B HOU 50 1.4
122 Alex Blandino 2B CIN 50 0.5
123 Jack Flaherty RHP STL 50 1.7*
124 Duane Underwood RHP CHC 50 1.6
125 Pierce Johnson RHP CHC 50 1.3
126 Lance McCullers RHP HOU 50 1.7
127 Travis Demeritte 2B TEX 50 0.8
128 Nick Howard RHP CIN 50 0.2*
129 Forrest Wall 2B COL 50 2.9*
130 Austin Hedges C SD 50 1.2
131 Lewis Brinson CF TEX 50 4.0
132 Derek Hill CF DET 50 2.7*
133 Michael Taylor CF WSH 50 3.7
134 Tyler Beede RHP SF 50 0.7*
135 Luke Jackson RHP TEX 50 2.6
136 Nick Williams LF TEX 50 4.6
137 Ian Clarkin LHP NYY 50 3.4
138 Ricardo Sanchez LHP ATL 50 1.1*
139 Hunter Dozier 3B KC 50 1.1
140 Kyle Crick RHP SF 50 3.6
141 Nick Travieso RHP CIN 50 1.2
142 Tyler Danish RHP CHW 50 4.2





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brian
11 years ago

Nice work. Just wanted to make sure I’m clear on the defensive aspect on this in that it’s essential defense and position neutral projected WAR?

Guys like Swihart or Lindor might be underrated considering defensive value?

brian
11 years ago
Reply to  Chris Mitchell

Got it. Thanks.

Alex ChamberlainFanGraphs Staff
11 years ago
Reply to  brian

Coming soon!

evo34Member since 2023
11 years ago
Reply to  Chris Mitchell

It would be interesting to create a projection system for offensive WAR only. After all, you are only using offensive stats, so using them to project a player’s defensive value seems questionable. Further, a fair amount of readers are interesting in long-term fantasy value, in which case overall WAR clouds the issue.

evo34Member since 2023
11 years ago
Reply to  Chris Mitchell

Also, any plans to add multi-year (PA-weighted and/or recency-weighted) statistical inputs and park factors to the model? Thanks.

Jeremy
11 years ago

Woah, that Roberto Osuna projection is weird, the most WAR for any pitcher. Im guessing its a combination of the fact he is 19 years old (9 seasons until 28 years old) and his really high K% with a low BB%.

a
11 years ago
Reply to  Chris Mitchell

Why is Urias so low then?

Alex
11 years ago

Why the N/A for Erick Fedde?

Alex
11 years ago
Reply to  Alex

Just noticed it on a few other guys too… Is it an age thing?

Nick
11 years ago
Reply to  Alex

KATOH only ranks players that recorded ABs/IPs in the minor leagues. Fedde was out with TJ, so no material off of which to make a projection.

Jorge Fabregas
11 years ago
Reply to  Alex

Along these lines–are there any plans to add the lower levels of Rookie ball (AZL, etc)? I imagine that the Fangraphs database doesn’t have those currently, as they’re not on player pages. If they could be added to either (player pages or KATOH), that’d be neat.

someone
11 years ago

Are the FV/tools data available somewhere that could easily be exported?

While that data may not go back far enough to help just yet, those would be incredibly useful for improving minor league projections (KATOH or otherwise), especially for defense/position adjustments or cases with little data.

While I love KATOH as an initial step, there is clearly a lot of work to be done, and scouting data would have a huge impact.

Phillies113
11 years ago

Here’s just a thought; please let me know if I’m wrong in thinking so. Some of these WAR projections through age 28 are a little light, especially considering where some of these guys are ranked. Would it be fair to say these prospects are being overrated?

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  Phillies113

could be – but its probably more that we overrate prospects in general.

most prospects bust – even most top prispects bust.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

Most top prospects do not bust. Most top prospects with star potentials do not turn into stars, but that’s not the same thing.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

you’d be surprised.

BA 2009 (random google search)

1.Wieters 15.4war (2.6/yr)
2.Price 24.9 (4.2/yr)
3.Rasmus 13.4 (2.2/yr)
4.Hanson 9.4 (1.6/yr)
5.Heyward 21.4 (4.3/yr)
6.Snider 2.7 (0.5/yr)
7.Anderson 9.4 (1.6/yr)
8.Maybin 8.2 (1.4/yr)
9.Bumgarner 16.2 (3.2/yr)
10.Feliz 4.9 (0.8/yr)

so 2 outright stars (price, heyward).

2 consistently good MLB starters (Wieters, Bumgarner).

2 replacement players / clear busts (snider, feliz).

and then 4 borderline / irerregular starters (rasmus, Hanson, anderson, Maybin).

I guess we could quibble over whether those last 4 qualify as busts but top 10 prospects not even turning intocregilar starting mlbers us bust-ish, at least.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

I don’t consider those 4 guys busts at all. They are seen as disappointing, as top prospects often are, fairly or not, but an ok MLB player is not a bust. A bust is a guy you don’t even want on your roster. There is no definition of bust that makes sense to me by which Colby Rasmus qualifies.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

colby has basically been a platoon player his whole career, and at age 28 is no longer even being handed starting roles anymore.

that’s gotta be bustesque for a top 5 prospect at least, no?

Phillies113
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

Pat Burrell was, once upon a time, the number 1 overall pick in the draft. Never once during his career, though, would you argue he was a top player in all MLB. He was a consistent contributor though; definitely above replacement level, if not quite a reliable starter. Always a danger at the plate before his body gave out. I wouldn’t consider Burrell a bust, and neither is Rasmus. He’s a solid contributor at the major league level, which is all you can ask for regarding most prospects.

Cool Lester Smooth
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

I don’t think either Rasmus or Anderson are busts.

Hanson and Maybin might be, though.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  Bip

lemme try another random year for BA….

…..2006:

1.Young: -0.4war (-0.1/yr)
2.Upton: 22.5 (2.8/yr)
3.Wood: -2.9 (-0.4/yr)
4.Hermida: 1.9 (0.2/yr)
5.Drew: 12.1 (1.3/yr)
6.Liriano: 20.0 (2.2/yr)
7.Billingsley: 17.2 (1.9/yr)
8.verlander: 47.3 (5.3/yr)
9.milledge: 0.1 (0.0/yr)
10.cain: 28.4 (3.2/yr)

1 stud (verlander)
2 very good (upton, cain)
3 borderline s4arters (drew, liriano, billingsley)
4 absolute busts

I’m not sure people really have a good picture of how high the failure rate is even amongst the best prospects.

Matthew
11 years ago

No JaCoby Jones 🙁

SaberGuy
11 years ago

Seems really strange to only use 2014 and not past years.

Alex ChamberlainFanGraphs Staff
11 years ago
Reply to  SaberGuy

A hitter’s most recent season is typically the best predictor for future performance, although admittedly it’s not a comprehensive predictor. The deeper in the minors you reach, the less predictive power the statistics have. It may be an oversimplification, and it may undervalue a player who struggled at AAA, for example, but that may not be such a bad thing as far as the hitter’s development is concerned.

Erik
11 years ago
Reply to  SaberGuy

In a sense the stat is. A player is responsible for getting promoted to the league he is in at the age he is at.

everdiso
11 years ago

someone with data skills could run a pretty sweet simple analysis to see which franchises are given the benefit of thd doubt (I.e. whose rankings most outrank their performance) and vice versa.

Erik
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

If I remember correctly this stat isn’t using park factors (unless that was added in at some point). Organizational biases might be nothing more than park issues.

BipMember since 2016
11 years ago

So Joc Pederson has the best overall projection as far as I can see. I like this news, I like it very much. This makes sense from a stats-based projection system, since Pederson is the kind of prospect that wasn’t loved by the scouts, at least at first, and then basically played his way onto prospect lists by dominating his levels at a young age.

everdiso
11 years ago

I love my man Osuna, and am not surprised to see him rate well…..BUT I have to note that this website lists his birthday as 07/02 while others list it as 02/07….which obviously would make him a year older if FG is wrong, which might significantly impact his rating here.

BR: Feb 7/95 = 19 in 2014
FG: Jul 2/95 = 18 in 2014

can we get an independent confirmation as to Osuna’s exact age?

also nice to see Pompey get credit and work his way into a top 20 ranking without even considering his potentisl plus D in CF.

Carter
11 years ago
Reply to  everdiso

Pretty much every other country except the US of A put day before month. So likely it was just a misunderstanding.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  Carter

not sure the “why” part matters.

which one is his real birthday, and is katoh using the right one?

Buck Farmer
11 years ago

Have you given any thought to adding the projections for the top 143 to 200 prospects? Perhaps in a instagraphs post? Because technically this is only the katoh projections for the top 142 prospects.

everdiso
11 years ago
Reply to  Buck Farmer

or maybe just do a top 200 KATOH list, without limiting it to Kiley’s selections?

Colin Dew-Becker
11 years ago

Does part of the projection process indicate the age when the player makes their first MLB appearance? Julio Urias at 12.2 WAR through age 28 is the highest for any pitcher, which makes it seem impressive, until you consider that he could potentially pitch in 10 major league seasons before turning that age. Conversely, Noah SYndergaard has the second-highest projection for a pitcher at 11.5 WAR, but, at most, he could pitch in six seasons before turning 28.

It may be helpful to also give a WAR/year through Age 28 just to get a better sense for that, though maybe it isn’t that significant if you ignore Urias.

Alex ChamberlainFanGraphs Staff
11 years ago

It’s impossible to know exactly when a player will debut, as you know. With that said, the model accounts for the player’s current age, so if he’s younger, he has a higher probability of debuting earlier and therefore a higher probability of accumulating more WAR. In short: you’re spot-on.

Columbus
11 years ago

All you’d have to do is take 28 and subtract the age and use that as the denom for the WAR to get the WAR/age-year. That would implicitly adjust for a guy being 19 in AA or in low-A, because the projection would adjust for the low-A player debuting later.