Things Francisco Lindor Has Never Done

If you know a Mets fan, you’re probably familiar with the speech. The speech starts like this: “Francisco Lindor is the most underrated player in baseball.” The pronunciation is really important here. You have to pronounce the so that it rhymes with he, and you have to put a big long pause between under and rated. Those are the rules. From that starting point, the speech generally continues for somewhere between 30 seconds and six hours, touching on offense, defense, MLB Network rankings, and at least two versions of WAR. I’ve never been all that sure whether the speech was necessarily true. Lindor’s greatness has always struck me as impossible to ignore. As one of the game’s premier defenders, according to both the advanced metrics and the eye test, he’s always on the highlight reels. He’s received MVP votes in six different seasons and won two Gold Gloves, one Platinum Glove, and three Silver Sluggers. He’s just 30 years old, and he’s already got the 25th-best JAWS score among all shortstops. He’s still adding to his seven-year peak, too. When I started writing this article yesterday, he ranked 26th.
But maybe I’m part of the problem. Maybe while I’ve been taking it for granted that everyone knows about Lindor’s greatness, other people have actually been taking Lindor’s greatness for granted. That would be uncool. As such, this is your annual reminder of just how great Francisco Lindor is. Because we’ve done this before, we’ll take a different tack and focus on things Lindor hasn’t done.
Be an Average Hitter
Lindor is now in his 10th big league season, and he’s never once put up a wRC+ below 101. We’ve seen Lindor have a down year at the plate, but even at his worst, he’s still been an above-average hitter. He graced the pages of FanGraphs for the first time in 2012 in an article with a title that fit perfectly with the auspiciousness of the moment: Midwest League Prospect Update. In it, Mike Newman called Lindor “A gold glove shortstop in the making,” but also wrote, “Lindor may wind up being a bit BABIP dependent.” As it turns out, even in 2021, when Lindor’s BABIP fell all the way to .248, seventh lowest among all qualified players, he managed to be an above-average hitter. I don’t bring that up to rag on Mike. If you remember the beginning of Lindor’s career, you know that although he hit throughout the minors, the hype around his glove was understandably louder. But the consistency is remarkable, especially from a switch-hitter. His career wRC+ is 126 from the right side and 115 from the left side. He’s only put up a below-average wRC+ from either side of the plate twice: He had a 94 wRC+ from the right side in 2016, and a 96 mark in ’21. According to our database, there have been 549 primary shortstops who made at least a thousand plate appearances in the AL and NL since 1903. Lindor’s career 119 wRC+ ranks 19th.
This season, Lindor’s 125 wRC+ puts him on pace for his fifth career season above 120.
Hit Fewer Than 12 Home Runs
Okay, Lindor only had eight home runs during the short 2020 season, but we’re going to let that slide. Lindor hit 12 homers as a 21-year-old rookie in 2015 and then he hit 15 in ’16. Since then, he’s hit at least 20 homers in every season where the fans were made of flesh, blood, and other gross stuff rather than cardboard. When the baseballs got juicy toward the end of the last decade, he put up three straight 30-homer seasons, including a 38-dinger bonanza in 2018, and he hasn’t fallen off that much since the great de-unjuicing. His 237 career home runs rank 10th all-time among shortstops. If we limit ourselves to home runs hit while actually playing shortstop, he moves up to sixth place, and he has a small but legitimate shot to break Cal Ripken Jr.’s record of 345.
Rank | Player | HR |
---|---|---|
1 | Cal Ripken Jr. | 345 |
2 | Alex Rodriguez | 344 |
3 | Miguel Tejada | 291 |
4 | Ernie Banks* | 269 |
5 | Derek Jeter | 255 |
6 | Francisco Lindor | 230 |
7 | Jimmy Rollins | 229 |
8 | Troy Tulowitzki | 223 |
9 | Barry Larkin | 194 |
10 | Jose Valentin | 192 |
Those 237 homers also rank 23rd all-time among switch-hitters, and Lindor should crack the top 15 early next season. Even if we control for the era, his career slugging percentage of .472 works out to a 113 SLG+, putting him 20th all-time among AL/NL shortstops.
This season, Lindor has hit 22 home runs, tied for 19th in the majors. ZiPS projects him to reach 30 for the fifth time in his career. If he does, he’ll become just the third shortstop ever to have at least five 30-homer seasons. The current club includes Alex Rodriguez with seven seasons and Ernie Banks with five.
Miss 40 Games
Starting in 2015, Lindor ranks in the top 10 in games played, plate appearances, defensive innings played, hits, runs, and stolen bases. He led the AL in plate appearances three times (and is currently leading the NL). He made his big league debut on June 14, 2015, and played in 99 of Cleveland’s 100 games from that point on. Over the next three seasons, he missed just 10 more games. Since an abdominal strain limited Lindor to 125 games in 2021, he has missed a mere three games.
Over at Baseball Prospectus, the player pages have a fun injury tracker box. (To be clear, the injury tracker box is fun; it’s not a box that only tracks fun injuries.) Because the box is small, you almost always have to scroll all the way through it to see all of a player’s injuries. But not on Lindor’s page. He’s been playing in the big leagues for 10 years and his box features injuries going all the way back to Double-A, but they’re still not enough to overflow the tiny box. No scrolling required! I’m not sure I’ve ever seen that before. As a not at all fun comparison, Mike Trout’s box only goes back to 2022 before you have to start scrolling.
So far this season, Lindor has started 113 of the Mets’ 114 games. On May 2, the day of his lone non-start, he entered as a pinch-hitter in the bottom of the sixth and went 2-for-3 with four RBI, including a walk-off double in the 11th inning. Unless he misses four games down the stretch run, he’s set to become the 31st player ever to put up six seasons of at least 158 games played.
Win an MVP Award
I think it would be hard to argue that Lindor has deserved an MVP. Even in 2018, his 7.8 WAR ranked fourth in the AL, dwarfed by the 10.2 Mookie Betts put up. (Lindor placed sixth that year.) Lindor has received MVP votes in six seasons, but finished as high as fifth once. He’s has been constructing his Hall of Fame case by piling up great seasons year after year, but I don’t think it’s a slight to say that he’s never put together the one towering, undeniable campaign that’s usually required to snag an MVP.
I’m bringing it up because he’s got a real chance this season. Lindor is currently tied with Ketel Marte for third in the National League with 5.2 WAR. They trail Elly De La Cruz and Shohei Ohtani by a measly half a win. There’s a bigger gap according to Baseball Reference WAR, with Lindor at 4.6 and Marte and Ohtani at 5.9, but that’s still a close race, and the winner is almost certainly going to be whichever one of those four players can find another gear over the stretch run. As one of the best players in the league for a full decade now, and with a chance to drag the Mets into a Wild Card berth, Lindor might also have a case that appeals to voters who appreciate a good narrative. This could be his chance.
Make the All-Star Team This Decade
Yeah, that one surprised me too. There have been only four All-Star Games in the last five years, but it’s still pretty shocking. Lindor started his career by finishing second in the AL Rookie of the Year voting, then went four years in a row with a top-15 finish in the MVP voting, either a Gold Glove or a Silver Slugger, and an All-Star selection. And then after that, he’s gotten a nice, long vacation every July.
Over the last four seasons, here’s where he’s ranked among NL shortstops going into the All-Star break.
Year | WAR | SS Rank | All-Star Selection |
---|---|---|---|
2021 | 2.5 | 4(T) | No |
2022 | 3.3 | 3 | No |
2023 | 2.9 | 1(T) | Still No |
2024 | 4.2 | 2 | Seriously? |
Over the first five years of his career, he averaged 6.5 WAR per 162 games. Over the past five, he’s averaged 6.0 and finished top 10 in the MVP voting twice, so it’s not like he’s fallen off hard. This decade, he has 22.9 WAR, the seventh most in baseball. He’s missed out on four All-Star selections, while the six players ahead of him have combined to miss out on two. Maybe he is just a little bit underrated after all.
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The proof of the underrating is the All-Star thing. I hope he has an insane first half next year and is the starter.
Meanwhile, the callers on WFAN still say, “He’s making $30 million and hitting .255!”
Playoff run and mvp this year wouldn’t be too bad either
World Series ring and MVP*
When Climate Change catches up to us, the last remaining species on Earth will be cockroaches and sports talk radio callers
Or when the Mayans make their long awaited appearance or WW3 ends us all if those things happen Tylor Megill will still be left and making starts for the Mets just because.
I enjoy asking people why the title changed from “global warming” to “climate change”. It’s like asking people where the term “assault rifle” came from.
Its good that you both get constantly downvote-bombed on here
When you challenge popular beliefs around climate change or the pandemic/vaccines, you have to expect push back. Doesn’t bother me. My comments regarding baseball are often reasonably up voted.
“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”- Charles Mackay
I don’t expect to get those most invested in these beliefs to be swayed by my skepticism. Frankly they are not the target. Those who have some doubts are
No, we’re simply annoyed that you choose a baseball stats site to dump your shitty manifesto all over the place.
Fair enough but lots of fangraphs articles make references to climate change apocalypse as a given when it is not. If the author’s bring these topics up, it’s fair game
Yes it absolutely is.
No it is not but you are perfectly welcome to spend the rest of your days dreading the inevitable falling of the sky that the false prophets of our time trumpet
I enjoy asking people that don’t know anything about science what “massive scientific consensus” means. It literally started as “The Carbon Dioxide Theory of Climactic Change,” in 1955, well after CO2’s effect as a greenhouse gas was understood, and well before you should have been aborted.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01206.x
I sincerely don’t get how anyone who misunderstands statistics this badly in one context can still understand them at least well enough in sports that they’ve found their way to this website of all places. But then, I guess there isn’t an entrance exam before you can post a comment.
Modeling projections for baseball players is so much less complex than trying to make a predictive climate model. It’s fair to question whether the latter is even feasible.
Also worth noting that the readers here still debate whether players/teams will hit their projections. We don’t just nod along with everything the models spit out.
The consequences for buying a false baseball projection are laughable compared to the consequences of society believing faulty climate projections.
I’m not arguing that the climate is static, I just don’t think the change that occurs will be ruinous
Nobody gives a FUCK what you think, because you haven’t produce a shred of evidence.
Here’s my argument, that’s yours: ‘If the Jews didn’t exist, we would have to invent them‘ -Hitler, you. That’s you, Hitler. QED
What an insane post
No, seriously, it isn’t. This is flat-earth shit. I beg you to take it back to Infowars or 4chan or the John Birch Slack or wherever isn’t here.
It’s not unreasonable to suggest accurately modeling the climate is beyond us(the models are oversimplified IMO)or to speculate that models that predict disaster would be promoted by wealthy folks for their own gain.
Tell you what, start tracking your local weatherman’s predictions for tomorrow. You’ll notice they get tomorrow wrong and sometimes disastrously so which naturally makes a man question the projections decades into the future.
We can end this back and forth here if you wish. Have a goodnight
I agree we should all have a healthy scepticism when presented with models.
However, I really struggle to see how preventative action to reduce climate change is ruinous. Sure, it has costs, but the biggest thing – moving away from a world dependent on fossil fuel for energy – is something we are going to have to do anyway. It might be in 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 200 years, whatever, but they will run out. And if we, as a species, aren’t ready for that, then “ruinous” would be an almighty understatement.
I hear you but resource depletion is a different argument than climate change
Phil, I was pressed for time earlier and wanted to expand my response to your thoughtful comment.
I think the powers that be are trying to address resource depletion without naming it.
In other words you sell the populace on a response to climate change that is really more about addressing resource depletion and instilling authoritarian control.
The reason for the dishonesty besides the obvious one of control, is to openly acknowledge resource depletion would crash the financial markets. For example, think of the loss of confidence in all the debt currently held as assets if future growth is brought into question.
Resources are finite and our economic/financial systems require infinite growth or they break down.
So instead we are sold a tale of needing to transition to renewables to save the climate and that we can have “green” growth.
I’m pessimistic our hydro carbon based civilization can transition to other energy resources. My research into renewables discouraged me greatly because they simply are not up to it. Frankly I think we need a miracle.
If my reasoning is correct, the pandemic and the vaccine response looks like something else as well…
I know this is some dark speculation but it is what I think and I appreciate your civility
Oh I’m not misunderstanding anything, Roger McDowell Hot Foot. I believe the climate is getting warmer, and I would agree that it’s overwhelmingly likely due to mankind. I was simply asking why it changed from “global warming” to “climate change”. I also note that, as best I can tell, no one has answered my question about where the term “assault rifle” came from, because the people that should know that answer don’t want to know.
Its Franky Lindor who has been heating up the earth….This is the whole reason for this debate, right?
Lol you walked away the winner here
“Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled…There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period.” -Michael Crichton
“Easier to fool a man than convince him that he’s been fooled”-Mark Twain
Remember in the 1970s when the climate scientists reached a consensus that humanity was heading into an ice age? Many climate scientists are bought and paid for to be fear mongerers.
Look how damaged the younger generations mental health has become in part because they think they’re doomed. They have been primed to give authoritarian control to anybody who can convince sell them on their ability to “save them from the apocalypse”.
The worst tyrants in history would have loved the ability to demoralize their subjects to this extent… Human nature hasn’t changed.
“The Only Way to Get to 1.5 Degrees of Global Warming is Money, Money, Money, Money, Money, Money, Money.”-John Kerry, US Climate czar
I’m sorry, am I supposed to be convinced of something? Did Michael Crichton, Mark Twain, or John Kerry publish anything rigorous on the subject of the Earth’s climate? Am I talking to a disinformation bot?
I notice you ignored my point that for decades those rigorous climate researchers embarrassed themselves with wild predictions that never materialized. They’re doing it again… Why? I will redirect you back to that very revealing quote from John Kerry($).
“Climate issues and pollution issues are being exploited by … mega billionaires…The same way that Covid was exploited to use it as an excuse to clamp down top-down totalitarian controls on society and then to give us engineering solutions.”-RFK Jr
Surely you know the story of the Boy who cried Wolf?
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. Isn’t that more civil than remarking I should have been aborted or am a robot programmed to mislead?
No there was no consensus on global cooling. There was exactly one Newsweek article. It was based on the fact the earth is moving away from the sun, so a new ice age should be the result. But alas despite moving away we have not gotten cooler like every other time the earth has been farther from the sun. Hmmm why?
There’s no point in us discussing this issue if you can’t acknowledge the documented blunders of the previous generations of climate scientists.
They build impressive models and end up buying their own BS but nobody will ever understand all the variables that need to be accounted for to accurately model reality. It’s hubris to think we can
I think your reply – telling someone you’ve never met that they should “be aborted” – says more about the folks on your side of the aisle than anything else.
You know nothing about me, but hey, stay classy bud.
Because conservatives thought global warming was a micro aggression and we lefties are nice.
My original comment was censored so this thread now lacks context. It was not offensive or inappropriate I merely expressed doubt on the exponential hockey stick of death theory of climate apocalypse.
I compared it to a “bluff” in poker where the wealthiest player(billionaire class) is hoping to scare the younger generations into “folding their hand”.
I pointed out that all the international organizations that got all the pandemic science wrong are the same ones pushing climate apocalypse. I expressed suspicion that climate doom was being pushed as a sales pitch for global government because once you accept the premise of climate apocalypse you accept international dictates/global gov since only these institutions could stave it off. Notice this also applied to the pandemic.
When speaking on international efforts to tackle climate change, Margaret Thatcher said this: “provides a marvelous excuse for worldwide supranational socialism.”
It sure does… Witness the demonization of nationalism/populism worldwide…
I think the hosts of wfan have surpassed the callers in being blittering simpletons I mean Sal Licata is on the station(and SNY), seemingly 24-7
He’s the Snell of hitters. Like clockwork he is garbage. May 1st hitting 0.120 w 1 hr and 4 RBIs. Hasn’t hit a single ball over an outfielders head left handed all season. Looks like the bat will get knocked out of his hands vs any velo. Then by this point in the year he has the stats that he does. It’s crazy.
I wonder what Doris from Rego Park would have said about Lindor… I miss her…
She was the best as was Short Al.
Way better than Jerome from Manhattan. “WHY DON’T WE TRADE RUBEN RIVERA FOR MARK MCGWIRE!?”
Dude had to stop calling sports talk radio because he got so worked up that his rants were giving him health issues.
My favorite baseball trivia question. you want to talk about underrated? are you ready?
This player had 5 consecutive seasons of at least 20 homers and 20 stolen bases, he has won two world series, and was an MVP of the league, yet NEVER made an all star his entire career. Oh yeah, also won manager of the year after playing career over. Who is he?
I believe I can get this without even looking it up. I’ll spoiler block it in case anyone doesn’t want the spoiler –
IIRC, he actually was asked to be added to an All-Star roster one year and declined because he wanted the break.
***EDIT – yep, SABR says he was selected in both 85 and 88 and declined both years