2014 World Series Game Two Live Blog
| 7:58 |
: It’s Game 2! It can’t be worse than Game 1!
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| 7:58 |
: “Billy Butler is Miguel Cabrera!” *everyone laughs*;*
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| 8:01 |
Will Yost even consider switching up his “roles” in the bullpen if he gets 5 solid innings out of Ventura? |
| 8:01 |
: He did in the ALCS.
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| 8:01 |
It can always be worse. You underestimate the power of the Giants to suck fun out of baseball. |
| 8:02 |
: Pablo Sandoval is the Reggie Jackson of our generation? Let’s go to the numbers.
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| 8:02 |
: Career postseason line: .328/.373/.550, .390 wOBA, 153 wRC+.
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| 8:02 |
: Pretty good.
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| 8:03 |
: Reggie Jackson: .278/.358/.527, .392 wOBA, 152 wRC+.
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| 8:03 |
: Verdict: Good call, Harold!
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| 8:04 |
hahahaha, the first “good call Harold” of the playoffs. |
| 8:04 |
: He had a few decent insights yesterday.
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| 8:04 |
How many at-bats against a specific pitcher would you want a batter to have in order to realistically determine if the batter excels against that pitcher? |
| 8:04 |
: More than exists in a reasonable time frame.
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| 8:04 |
: By the time you get a decent BvP sample, the data is so old as to not be useful anymore.
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| 8:06 |
What about when the evidence is overwhelming? Like Goldschmidt vs Lincecum? |
| 8:06 |
: Still irrelevant. There’s a great chapter on this in The Book.
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| 8:06 |
What are the odds Erik Kratz gets into a game? |
| 8:07 |
: (1 – odds of Salvador Perez dying)
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| 8:08 |
they showed regular season numbers on Ventura! |
| 8:08 |
Giants |
| 8:09 |
: Welcome to 2014, when announcers are joking about a 96 mph pitch not being a guy’s best stuff.
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| 8:10 |
Marlins fan is back. Wonder how much money he’s spent ever on all these games. |
| 8:10 |
: He said the Marlins help him get tickets, I believe.
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| 8:10 |
: He’s been a season ticket holder there forever.
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| 8:10 |
He spent $8,000 for Game 1 seats |
| 8:11 |
50% of the Marlins budget is that dude going to WS games |
| 8:11 |
He didn’t even stay for the whole game. |
| 8:11 |
: To be fair, I wanted to stop live blogging after about 6.
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| 8:11 |
: Gregor Blanco!
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| 8:11 |
: Pitcher velo + guessing fastball = little guy goes boom.
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| 8:12 |
the white shark! who would have thought SF could miss Pagan so little? |
| 8:12 |
: Blanco would be playing either way. No Pagan = Ishikawa in left.
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| 8:13 |
So higher pitch velocity leads to higher batted ball velocity? |
| 8:13 |
: Yep.
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| 8:14 |
: I think the last thing I read on it said it was something like 1 mph by pitcher = 2 mph increase in batter exit velo.
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| 8:15 |
The thing at saber seminar comparing aluminum to wood and how the ball comes off was fascinating |
| 8:16 |
: Everything at Saber Seminar is fascinating, but yes, Alan’s talks are always great.
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| 8:16 |
I don’t understand the velo statement. That means that for every 1mph of pitcher velocity, the batter provides an extra 2 mph? A 100 mph fastball would therefore have 300 mph off the bat, which is way too much. |
| 8:17 |
: No, it’s within a certain range, not linear across the whole spectrum. So, say, the difference between 90 and 94 can lead to an 8 mph difference in exit velocity, but that doesn’t hold up for 40 to 80.
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| 8:17 |
: I could also have the ratio wrong, since I’m going off memory
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| 8:18 |
Perhaps it is 2 MPH on the pitch = 1 MPH on the ball when hit? |
| 8:18 |
: Possible!
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| 8:18 |
Where’s Sullivan? |
| 8:18 |
: Stuck in a storm.
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| 8:19 |
Is it just me or do the Rob Lowe commercials make him out to be a rich douchebag type, who is “better” than the poor and the awkward? |
| 8:19 |
: You might be reading too much into a commercial.
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| 8:20 |
As a Canadian, find it disgusting MLB didn’t give a little moment of silence for what happened in Ottawa |
| 8:20 |
: Do we know they didn’t? Maybe Fox just didn’t show it?
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| 8:21 |
: Brandon Crawford, error machine.
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| 8:21 |
: That’s a pretty difficult play, though.
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| 8:21 |
Alcides Escobar, hit machine! |
| 8:22 |
so not an error? |
| 8:22 |
: Yeah, they ruled it a hit.
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| 8:22 |
Hello, guys. Chris Singleton here. Going to track you a little while. |
| 8:23 |
: Hi, person who may or may not be Chris Singleton.
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| 8:23 |
: It’d be neat if you were, though.
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| 8:24 |
: That was a Hunter Pence type dive.
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| 8:24 |
I’m sitting in the radio booth in KC. |
| 8:24 |
: I actually believe you. Say hi to Boog for me.
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| 8:26 |
Why isn’t Alex Gordon hitting in the top third of this order? What’s the rationale there? |
| 8:26 |
: “Stick with what got us here.” It’s kind of silly.
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| 8:26 |
: Chris Singleton status: confirmed!
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| 8:26 |
What is your general assessment on Ventura’s offspeed stuff based on what you have seen this year? Think he has what it takes to keep his platoon split in check going forward? |
| 8:27 |
: Curve is good, change is up and down.
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| 8:27 |
: I’m not sure he actually tagged him.
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| 8:27 |
: At least not when he went down.
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| 8:28 |
See, stuff like that I like Harold for. He’s right in saying that letting the ball travel on steals helps. Ball is faster than hands. Great point |
| 8:28 |
Does Posey have yellow nail polish on? |
| 8:28 |
: Helps the pitcher see the signs better.
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| 8:28 |
Lorenzo Cain’s bat stays in the zone a good while. |
| 8:29 |
: Nice attempt by Ishikawa, by I think a real LF gets that.
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| 8:29 |
: Not a great route, and an awkward dive angle.
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| 8:30 |
Peavy is almost blind. Thats why Posey wears nail polish for him. He thought Ishikawas homer was a double. http://sports.yahoo.com/blo… |
| 8:30 |
Mike Morse ? |
| 8:30 |
: Mike Morse doesn’t even get close to it.
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| 8:30 |
If only the Giants had a real LFer. |
| 8:30 |
: They do. He’s in center.
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| 8:31 |
Like how Hosmer is zoning in Peavy in this at bat. Peavy wants Butler. |
| 8:32 |
: Yeah, that looked like a pretty unintentional intentional walk.
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| 8:32 |
I have a Petit feeling for tonight. He actually had a better SIERA than even Bumgarner this year (granted some of that was from the bullpen) |
| 8:32 |
: The Petit decision is interesting, because you kind of want him around for Vogelsong’s day too.
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| 8:33 |
Not sure why Peavy wants Butler, his numbers are atrocious against him. |
| 8:33 |
: Batter vs Pitcher numbers are useless.
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| 8:34 |
Completely useless? |
| 8:34 |
: Yep.
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| 8:35 |
lorenzo cain definitely wasn’t worried about ishikawa’s arm, heh |
| 8:35 |
Butler try to steal here? |
| 8:35 |
you don’t think a certain number of ABs can tell you whether a batter sees a pitcher well? |
| 8:35 |
: You cannot tell from the results.
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| 8:35 |
I don’t know Dave, there are certain guys that just see a pitcher better. Whether it’s a comfortable release point, etc. A small sample is certainly useless, but all? |
| 8:35 |
: Oh my goodness I survived
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| 8:36 |
: Hello everybody, a half-hour late!
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| 8:36 |
: These things can be true, but it doesn’t mean you can use past match-up numbers to find those things.
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| 8:36 |
Batter v Pitcher *type* worth anything? |
| 8:37 |
: Yes, you can make better generalizations by using pitcher families, or pitch types, or velocities.
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| 8:37 |
: But just this guy versus that guy? Useless.
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| 8:37 |
I would like Chris to comment on whether anyone from the Giants will talk to Peavey about not backing up the plate on Butler’s hit. |
| 8:38 |
: Example of where it works: Oakland against low-ball pitching sinker types
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| 8:39 |
Does anyone else’s MLB.tv player keep resetting to the national anthem every ten minutes? |
| 8:39 |
: No, the game is really doing that
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| 8:39 |
: 99, up and in, Pence’s helmet comes off…
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| 8:39 |
And Royals fans cheer |
| 8:39 |
And Buck finds it hilarious |
| 8:39 |
: What’s that 99 with the location’s effective velocity boost?
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| 8:40 |
: I’ve noted this before, but one of my great fears with the way people pitch Trout now is that it puts him at greater risk of a beanball
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| 8:41 |
: Has Ventura thrown a first pitch non-fastball yet?
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| 8:41 |
: Doesn’t feel like it.
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| 8:41 |
: nope
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| 8:41 |
: although he’s varied between 94-100
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| 8:41 |
: That is something, at least.
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| 8:42 |
: I like what Chris Young said about how a fastball can be a bunch of different pitches
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| 8:42 |
Is effective velocity greater on pitches up and in than pitches down and to-the-same-degree-of in? |
| 8:42 |
: The theory says yes
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| 8:43 |
: Where did Belt think that was?
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| 8:43 |
: A 97 mph two-seamer is rough, though.
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| 8:43 |
: Somebody vomited Skittles all over the man sitting next to Joe Torre
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| 8:44 |
Hey guys, thanks for stopping by. Do you think there’s any interest or way baseball can switch to a different format than 2-3-2? |
| 8:44 |
: What would be the point? At least this way there’s no extra day off
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| 8:46 |
In regards to 2-3-2 format, I always felt there was very little handicap by getting Games 3,4,5. If anything I see it as an advantage. Pivotal games. |
| 8:46 |
What is the biggest factor in a pitcher who throws as hard as Ventura not getting K’s? deception? extension? movement? |
| 8:46 |
: Depends on the pitcher but sometimes it’s where they put the fastballs, and sometimes it’s people just sitting fastballs because they eliminate the other stuff
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| 8:46 |
: How about 4-3, with the team with HFA getting the first four? Guarantee four home games to the better team.
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| 8:47 |
: And only 1 off day.
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| 8:47 |
4-3 is bad, because it means home fans will rarely get to see their team clinch. |
| 8:47 |
: Only thing missing is that then the worse team gets the highest-leverage potential home games
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| 8:47 |
except it’s not necessarily the better team these days since the ASG determines home field |
| 8:47 |
What is Ventura’s ceiling? Solid number one? |
| 8:48 |
: I don’t mean to be a dick but that’s most pitchers’ ceiling
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| 8:48 |
: The word doesn’t mean anything
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| 8:48 |
Kevin Correia, future number 1 |
| 8:49 |
What would be your “Dream Team” Broadcasting Crew? Pick 3. |
| 8:49 |
: Vin Scully and two mute people.
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| 8:50 |
: Correia was the Giants’ #6 prospect before 2004. 7 was Travis Ishikawa! 1 was Merkin Valdez.
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| 8:50 |
: I can’t believe someone named their kid Merkin.
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| 8:50 |
: Pitcher mic…
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| 8:50 |
: Can’t give Jake Peavy a pitcher mic.
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| 8:50 |
: Omar Infante and Gregor Blanco providing the power.
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| 8:50 |
: This is going to be more foul than grunting.
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| 8:51 |
: I bet the fans in the second row love the guys in the first standing up and spreading their arms out.
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| 8:52 |
A number one is not most pitchers’ ceilings. Most don’t have the stuff or durability to do that. |
| 8:53 |
: We can’t measure durability and Tom Glavine was a number one for a while
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| 8:53 |
: Give a guy command and a changeup and he’s awesome
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| 8:53 |
Buster Posey is probably the best starter in this series. Who is the worst? |
| 8:53 |
: Ishikawa
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| 8:53 |
: Cliff Lee was a #5 until he was a #1.
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| 8:53 |
: Jake Peavy is not long for this game.
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| 8:54 |
: Fastball right over the middle and Escobar has to fight it off somehow
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| 8:54 |
: But! Today I learned Escobar posted a 94 wRC+ this season
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| 8:55 |
Why is Peavy so angry all the time? |
| 8:55 |
: They call it fiery
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| 8:55 |
: He’s a football player playing baseball
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| 8:55 |
…SF could use Timmy today if Peavy needs to be yanked early but they probably won’t right? |
| 8:55 |
: Not unless it gets out of hand.
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| 8:55 |
Who has the most unusual batting stance in MLB? Cause I think Aoki has to be up there |
| 8:56 |
: Hunter Pence has the most unusual everything.
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| 8:56 |
: Aoki is a lot of fun to watch hit for someone who isn’t very good
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| 8:56 |
coolest possible player to hit a ws-winning walkoff? |
| 8:57 |
: Bumgarner, extra-innings PH
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| 8:57 |
: Ben Revere.
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| 8:57 |
: Or Tommy Hanson.
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| 8:57 |
: I totally missed that he homered a second time
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| 8:57 |
: It’s like the first one ruined his stathead appeal
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| 8:57 |
What happened to Aoki this year?? |
| 8:57 |
: He was exactly the same?
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| 8:58 |
Is WRC+ position relative, or is it simply relative to all hitters in the league? |
| 8:58 |
Santiago Casilla if you remember the PA where he reached |
| 8:58 |
: all hitters
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| 8:58 |
: So far Peavy has two swinging strikes, Ventura has one
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| 8:58 |
: And Ventura’s velocity, obviously, is back
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| 8:59 |
You say Aoki isn’t very good. What do you guys define good as? He has a career .287 AVG .353 OBP with a 106 wRC+…that’s not too bad… |
| 9:00 |
: “not very good” means “not very good”. it doesn’t mean “not good”
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| 9:00 |
: I hate the “back out of the box” play
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| 9:00 |
: So silly.
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| 9:00 |
without seeing even half of MLB catchers I am comfortable stating salvador perez is the WORST pitch framer i’ve ever seen |
| 9:00 |
: Ryan Doumit.
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| 9:01 |
: Eric Hosmer really needs to stop diving into first base.
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| 9:01 |
: That’s two of those this month for him
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| 9:01 |
: He is going to get stomped on
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| 9:02 |
: Very specific Hosmer praise from Verducci
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| 9:02 |
: Announcers love anything that looks like hustle.
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| 9:02 |
At what point does a hitter become a good candidate for a shift, statistically? |
| 9:03 |
: Every hitter, in theory, warrants a unique alignment
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| 9:03 |
Now would be a good time for Posey’s first extra base hit these playoffs |
| 9:03 |
: Is there ever a bad time?
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| 9:03 |
: Yesterday
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| 9:03 |
: Not bad, just less efficient.
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| 9:04 |
Bad time for XBH = top of 9th, leading by 3 runs, and manager won’t use best RP if you score again |
| 9:04 |
: No reliever is so much worse than the best reliever that it makes scoring another run bad.
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| 9:05 |
You clearly haven’t seen enough Carlos Marmol on an off day |
| 9:05 |
Now I’m interested: How big of a difference between theoritical relievers would we need to be worth more than the run? |
| 9:06 |
: A 9.0 RA/9 difference. In other words, you’d need some guy who isn’t good enough to pitch for even a decent college team, versus Craig Kimbrel.
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| 9:06 |
: That’s even worse than position players pitching!
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| 9:07 |
C’mon you guys. That was a big league play by Hosmer. By diving to the bag he took the risk out of the toss to Ventura. And he slid his hand onto the edge of the bag. No change of getting stomped — unless the runner does it intentionally. |
| 9:07 |
: The decision isn’t “dive or flip”. Just run through.
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| 9:07 |
: Maybe he thinks that’s more dangerous
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| 9:08 |
Is there any metric/way to measure 2 out RBIs? |
| 9:08 |
: RBI with 2 outs is a good one http://www.baseball-referen…
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| 9:09 |
: Guy next to Hudson can’t stop spitting
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| 9:09 |
: why so much chewing and spitting
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| 9:10 |
: who spits?
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| 9:10 |
: Baseball players.
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| 9:10 |
: All the time.
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| 9:10 |
: They’re gross.
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| 9:10 |
: But like, why?
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| 9:10 |
: Why is that considered appropriate? Everyone is watching!
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| 9:10 |
: Dip.
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| 9:10 |
: Filthy people.
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| 9:10 |
: The grossest habit.
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| 9:11 |
: Wouldn’t mind if that were banned.
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| 9:11 |
: Co-sign.
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| 9:11 |
Don’t dip, will never dip. But seeds, preferably ranch, are a must when I play baseball |
| 9:11 |
I don’t think he’s dipping either. He’s just spitting like a damned camel. |
| 9:12 |
: I value the ability to blow a critical snotrocket, but there’s a time and a place
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| 9:12 |
: Does Rob Lowe look like Uncle Jesse from Full House?
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| 9:12 |
: Or is it just me?
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| 9:12 |
: Only from a distance
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| 9:12 |
: Uncle Jesse is still much better looking
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| 9:13 |
it’s the leather jacket, Dave! |
| 9:13 |
Does anybody enjoy these player interviews during the game? |
| 9:13 |
: One of yesterday’s was pretty good
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| 9:13 |
I love in-game player interviews because I need a distraction from this one-run game in the World Series. |
| 9:14 |
: That Taco Bell breakfast thing looked as gross as dip.
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| 9:14 |
: Rather eat that or the Wendy’s pulled pork?
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| 9:14 |
: That comment from Joe is plagiarism of a Ben Badler tweet.
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| 9:14 |
Taco Bell flavored dip? Do it! |
| 9:14 |
: How are you chatting and on twitter at the same time?
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| 9:14 |
: CIL window not maximized, Tweetdeck behind CIL window, so I can see my stream.
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| 9:15 |
: Our brains work very differently
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| 9:15 |
: How many batters don’t get to third there?
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| 9:15 |
: In that yours works better
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| 9:15 |
: Well we haven’t seen that one very much this month
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| 9:15 |
: Suuuuuper difficult play but how many of you figured that was going to be caught anyhow?
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| 9:15 |
: I assume all non-HRs will be caught.
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| 9:16 |
Nobody told Joe Buck the Royals have one SB since the ALCS started. |
| 9:16 |
: And multiple failures!
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| 9:16 |
I really don’t understand how a professional athlete gets so heavy. Keeping weight down aint exactly rocket science. |
| 9:16 |
: It’s just not really necessary for him, though. He’s a good defender even while he’s fat, and he’ll never be fast.
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| 9:17 |
: Yeah, I mean, Sandoval has been Sandoval while looking like this
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| 9:17 |
: He’ll have a lousy older adulthood but for now he maintains
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| 9:17 |
I know productive outs are still outs. but a ground ball to the right side is at least more productive than not moving him right? Way to measure that? is that part of RE24? |
| 9:17 |
: Yes, RE24 gives you credit for that.
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| 9:18 |
: OF defense failures get SF a run.
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| 9:18 |
: Another mistake!
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| 9:18 |
: Dave’s ahead of me!
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| 9:18 |
Wasn’t that an RBI anyway? Yeah, I know Sandoval. |
| 9:18 |
: Yeah, he scores no matter what, but just saying the run scored, basically.
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| 9:19 |
: Defense never slumps
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| 9:19 |
: Brandon Crawford made another error before you got here, by the way. They ruled it a hit, but it was an error.
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| 9:19 |
: Was listening on radio
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| 9:19 |
: I’d moved about 100 feet since hearing that Blanco led off with a dinger
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| 9:20 |
is that true, defense not slumping? has that been tested for individual players? teams? |
| 9:20 |
: He was kidding.
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| 9:20 |
: Yeah, jokes!
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| 9:20 |
: One tough misplay + one regular misplay = tie game
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| 9:20 |
but then, does defense slump? is defense streaky? |
| 9:20 |
: Yes, there’s no reason to think that defense is immune to random performance fluctuations.
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| 9:20 |
: Players are not robots. Sometimes they’ll get a good jump, sometimes they won’t.
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| 9:21 |
: At the very least, the opportunities are streaky and inconsistent
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| 9:22 |
How did Michael Morse ever play shortstop? |
| 9:22 |
: Poorly.
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| 9:22 |
: Not a good way to make the last out, Brandon.
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| 9:23 |
TOOTBLAN! |
| 9:23 |
: That was an inning riddled with mistakes
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| 9:23 |
terrible throw…it looked like he was safe! |
| 9:24 |
Saw Morse play shortstop in Tacoma. He was a lot, um, sleeker then. |
| 9:24 |
Are you peasants really not using (at least) dual monitors? |
| 9:24 |
: I want fewer screens in my life, not more
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| 9:24 |
: I saw a year of it when he was in Winston-Salem. It was the worst defensive performance I’ve ever seen.
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| 9:24 |
: The days when Dave was a scout
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| 9:25 |
: ish
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| 9:25 |
As someone who saw very little KC baseball this year I expected their OF D to be amazing. Not impressed through 13 innings. |
| 9:25 |
: I don’t have the observational skills to be a scout. I went to a ton of games anyway, though.
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| 9:25 |
: Important to understand that elements of the KC game through the earlier bits of the playoffs were executed with almost literal perfection
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| 9:25 |
: /enter Humberto Quintero anecdote
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| 9:25 |
: My favorite one.
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| 9:26 |
: How many times have you heard that story?
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| 9:26 |
: 10?
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| 9:26 |
: Thereabouts. I still like it!
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| 9:26 |
: It’s like the best anecdote that gets told by your partner
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| 9:26 |
Anecdote, please! |
| 9:27 |
: Between innings, I will.
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| 9:27 |
: Wind seems to be an issue.
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| 9:27 |
: Explains Cain’s play some
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| 9:28 |
How accurate are 1st/3rd base umpires actually on calling swing/no-swing? |
| 9:28 |
: A problem is that there isn’t exactly a defined point at which a non-swing becomes a swing
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| 9:28 |
: Whole thing’s subjective
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| 9:28 |
The Royals are going down quickly the last few innings. |
| 9:29 |
How did Michael Morse ever get the opportunity to play shortstop? |
| 9:29 |
: Pablo Sandoval caught
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| 9:29 |
: Another example of “tons of line drives early” not being predictive
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| 9:29 |
as a licensed ump i can tell you the training is if you see the barrel head it is a swing |
| 9:29 |
: Okay, Humberto Quintero story time.
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| 9:29 |
: 8:53
Dave Cameron: |
| 9:31 |
: Quintero was the W-S catcher, and very good at throwing out runners. Super quick release, strong arm, etc… So I’m at a game watching with a scout friend, and the road team tries like 6 or 7 steals in the first five innings or something. Quintero throws almost all of them out, maybe all of them, I don’t remember exactly. Lots of caught stealings though.
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| 9:31 |
: I ask the scout what the deal is, and why they’re running on him so much. Scout says the manager of the road team just likes watching Quintero throw, so he’s sending everyone to enjoy the show.
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| 9:32 |
LOL. Was it a true story? |
| 9:32 |
: He didn’t say it like a joke, and there was no other explanation for it.
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| 9:32 |
: Who are these Fox Sports Live hosts?
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| 9:32 |
: Should I know them?
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| 9:33 |
: I don’t know, I was typing up my anecdote.
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| 9:33 |
: I was politely chuckling along
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| 9:33 |
Q wasn’t a WS catcher, was he? Back up for the M’s. |
| 9:34 |
: W-S is Winston-Salem, not White Sox. This happened in A-ball, in a day game.
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| 9:34 |
AA ball, Dave |
| 9:34 |
: Carolina League is A-ball.
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| 9:35 |
: Quintero in the majors: 33% caught steal rate
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| 9:35 |
: MInors: 43%. but 20/29 in 2007!
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| 9:35 |
My guess is that the Royals bullpen loses this one. Lose one run via CS, one via shoddy D, and one via bullpen. |
| 9:35 |
Fox with the breathtaking, unbelievable story about World Series tickets being expensive. |
| 9:36 |
Jay and Dan used to do Canadian Sports Centre, they were really popular up here |
| 9:36 |
: Are they good?
|
| 9:37 |
Is the game as fun when you pay 5,000 dollars for a ticket? |
| 9:37 |
: Feels a lot more like gambling
|
| 9:37 |
: I like how they’re talking about Brandon Finnegan like no one watching this game has ever heard of him.
|
| 9:37 |
: We all just skipped the first few rounds of the playoffs, I guess.
|
| 9:37 |
: Casual baseball fans who tune into the World Series and skip literally everything else I guess
|
| 9:38 |
: But why assume that 100% of your audience is casual baseball fans?
|
| 9:38 |
: I was joking again. It’s weird.
|
| 9:38 |
: Did FOX cover the Royals’ series before?
|
| 9:38 |
: Maybe it’s new to *them*.
|
| 9:38 |
I’m guessing they assume that people like us are used to zoning out the commentary anyway. |
| 9:40 |
I think Joe Buck is getting bored. |
| 9:40 |
: That was not a good announcing inning.
|
| 9:40 |
: I completely zoned out, like Erin said
|
| 9:40 |
: Did Harold Reynolds just basically ask people not to change the channel? Who would change the channel?
|
| 9:41 |
They got worse the exact moment we wondered why they were talking about Finnegan. |
| 9:41 |
I talked to a few people today who didn’t watch a single regular season game, but tuned in last night. Also, the media has to play to the lowest common denominator, that’s just the way it has to be. |
| 9:41 |
Am I the only one who think Joe Buck is really good at his job? |
| 9:41 |
: Obviously FOX does
|
| 9:42 |
: He is pretty good at a difficult job, all things considered
|
| 9:42 |
B Finnegan not ready for this stage? A lot to ask of college player?. |
| 9:42 |
: He handled his time in the one-game playoff and that was insanely stressful
|
| 9:42 |
Harold Reynolds is secretly following this chat and doing everything he can to spite us. |
| 9:43 |
: I hope Harold keeps talking!
|
| 9:43 |
Jeff Sullivan, you hippie. Joe Buck is the *worst*. |
| 9:43 |
: He’s not even the worst in his own booth
|
| 9:43 |
Some times when I read pitchfork reviews I have no idea what they are talking about but I still like that fact that smart people are telling me things. |
| 9:44 |
This should be Peavy’s last inning right? |
| 9:44 |
: Yes.
|
| 9:46 |
So do you think Butler and Moose will be starting for KC next year? |
| 9:46 |
: Moose yes, Butler no.
|
| 9:46 |
: That was a differently embarrassing strikeout for Escobar
|
| 9:46 |
: That’s an easy option to decline.
|
| 9:46 |
: I could see Butler returning on a cheaper multi-year deal but I don’t know if KC is actually interested in that
|
| 9:46 |
: If they see past his alleged popularity, they should avoid him
|
| 9:47 |
: I think at this time yesterday we were in the second inning
|
| 9:47 |
: Not quite, but this is moving along pretty briskly.
|
| 9:47 |
okay, what’s Peavy doing differently? |
| 9:47 |
: Better location.
|
| 9:47 |
: And we were in the top of the third like 30 or 35 minutes ago, feels like
|
| 9:48 |
Jeff, I have to disagree with Joe being good at his job. A play-by-play guy is supposed to tell you what is going on before the play, and show some excitement when something good happens. Joe RARELY tells you some key points: 1. the count 2. men on base. The best he will say is “one out… here’s the pitch” |
| 9:48 |
: I think Joe knows he’s broadcasting on TV, not radio
|
| 9:48 |
: But I don’t have strong feelings about him either way. He’s just fine, and I think his job doesn’t get enough credit for being super hard
|
| 9:49 |
: Seriously, that Taco Bell breakfast looks so bad.
|
| 9:49 |
: I think I’d be pleased of that thing if I created it in my own kitchen but I expect more from real establishments
|
| 9:49 |
How many line drives has Peavy given up? |
| 9:49 |
: Been stuck on 5 for a while
|
| 9:50 |
: Dyson already in for Aoki.
|
| 9:50 |
: 4 for Ventura. Both have 5 swinging strikes
|
| 9:50 |
How much of the ‘times thru the order penalty’ is due to pitcher fatigue? |
| 9:50 |
: I don’t think we know. Impossible to separate fatigue from familiarity
|
| 9:51 |
Where do you guys see Butler ending up? |
| 9:51 |
: We both agree, Seattle
|
| 9:51 |
Should Dyson just start over Aoki? He wasn’t that much worse offensively and he’s way better defensively |
| 9:51 |
: I could see him starting in 2015, but for now Yost probably likes the option of having him available as a pinch-runner
|
| 9:51 |
: And Dyson doesn’t catch one. This game is all about screwing with the narratives.
|
| 9:52 |
: Well I’ll be jiggered, another ball drops in the outfield
|
| 9:52 |
: So this is what this can look like
|
| 9:52 |
Is Butler even really an everyday player (even at DH) at this point? |
| 9:52 |
: Lower-third DH
|
| 9:52 |
: Maybe lower-fifteenth
|
| 9:52 |
Peavy is becoming a better pitcher with age. He throws more strikes, and batters are swinging at more of his offerings outside the zone and fewer inside it. Of course, his fastball velocity is down at least 4 mph from his early years, so there’s no longer the anticipation of a no-hitter whenever he takes the mound. Much has been made of his so-called “improvement” in 2012, but in many ways he was the same pitcher, with similar FRAs and strikeout-to-walk ratios in each season. |
| 9:53 |
: His numbers have gotten much worse over the last few years.
|
| 9:53 |
: STOP COMPARING PITCHERS TO PEDRO MARTINEZ
|
| 9:53 |
: Short, hard-throwing, right-handed, non-white guy? Pedro!
|
| 9:54 |
: Ramon Ortiz comparison lives forever
|
| 9:54 |
: Herrera coming in. Good job, Yost!
|
| 9:54 |
: Gotta replace Yordano Ventura with basically Yordano Ventura
|
| 9:54 |
: Great move, though
|
| 9:55 |
what changed with Yost that he is suddenly proactive? |
| 9:55 |
: My guess is the KC analytics guys got someone to talk to him.
|
| 9:55 |
: Eiland got in there a month and a half ago
|
| 9:55 |
: Or so goes the story
|
| 9:55 |
: Right after the Aaron Crow game
|
| 9:56 |
It’s not only analytics guys who think that it’s a good idea to use your best players |
| 9:57 |
: 101.
|
| 9:57 |
: Heh.
|
| 9:58 |
How are you so far ahead? |
| 9:58 |
: Now HERE’S a guy whose strikeout rate doesn’t make sense
|
| 9:58 |
: Managing Editors get time machines.
|
| 9:58 |
MGL puts the fatigue portion of the thru-the-order pentalty at less than 50%. |
| 9:58 |
Verducci just talked about the times through the order penalty. Credit where it’s due. |
| 9:59 |
: I wonder how Herrera’s extension is
|
| 9:59 |
: Short-arm guy, so probably not great.
|
| 10:00 |
: Practically an average contact rate for a reliever. So odd
|
| 10:00 |
: For the record, 30% of fly balls against Herrera this year were pulled, vs. average of 42%
|
| 10:01 |
: Breaking balls generate low contact rates, and he doesn’t have a very good one? That’s my theory.
|
| 10:01 |
: Yet his strikeouts were up a lot a year ago
|
| 10:01 |
: Something changed
|
| 10:01 |
: 100 mph with tail!
|
| 10:01 |
: His stuff looks better than his 2014 results, except for, you know, the no dingers
|
| 10:01 |
: I don’t even know.
|
| 10:02 |
I’ve never seen a triple-digit two seamer before. Did that exist before a minute ago? |
| 10:02 |
: Daniel Bard, maybe?
|
| 10:03 |
: PITCHf/x data on that:
|
| 10:03 |
Thru the order penalty debunks the need to “get to good pitchers early,” correct? |
| 10:03 |
: Yep.
|
| 10:04 |
Well, getting to good pitchers at any time is probably advisable. |
| 10:04 |
: 101.2 mph, -8 pfx, 9 pfz
|
| 10:05 |
is that good? that sounds good |
| 10:05 |
: Herrera’s got some fluctuation to his horizontal movement. Not much sink, but he can add and subtract run
|
| 10:05 |
: Or it’s all an accident. Whatever, he’s a freak
|
| 10:06 |
Jeff and Dave, what do you guys think of Verducci? |
| 10:06 |
: I have completely subjective issues with his voice
|
| 10:06 |
: I like that he’s been given an opportunity as a non-player
|
| 10:06 |
: A little strange that the Giants don’t even have anyone warming up here.
|
| 10:07 |
David Eckstein’s ’02 postseason: 20 hits, all singles, .294/.338/.294. Buster Posey’s postseason: 15 hits, all singles, .294/.339/.294. |
| 10:07 |
: Bullpen working, now
|
| 10:07 |
: Wonder why they waited an at-bat
|
| 10:08 |
: Especially with the lefty up second.
|
| 10:08 |
: Would think that if you’re going to warm Lopez, want him to face Hosmer and Gordon, not just one of the two.
|
| 10:08 |
: Imagine being a manager trying to pull Peavy from a decent start around 60-70 pitches
|
| 10:08 |
: he might literally eat you alive
|
| 10:09 |
: And this is why a lefty should’ve been warming sooner
|
| 10:09 |
: It’s kind of funny that we all thought Peavy would get pulled early and now Bochy stuck with him too long.
|
| 10:10 |
: So difficult to look past such a low pitch count
|
| 10:10 |
: There’s a really good pitch
|
| 10:11 |
: Fox with the through the order graph!
|
| 10:11 |
: Reynolds thought the 3-1 pitch was a mistake
|
| 10:11 |
: Neat.
|
| 10:11 |
: It was perfect!
|
| 10:12 |
: That was less perfect
|
| 10:12 |
: So they let Peavy walk the lefty and now pull him with a righty up.
|
| 10:13 |
: I don’t think Peavy even made eye contact with Bochy as he approached
|
| 10:13 |
: So is Machi a one batter reliever here?
|
| 10:14 |
Bunt buzz on Twitter |
| 10:14 |
how many at bats are needed for player vs pitcher performance is statistically significant? |
| 10:14 |
: Butler has 1 career bunt in the bigs.
|
| 10:14 |
: More than you get. Players change over time before samples accumulate
|
| 10:15 |
Does low pitch count lead to any reduction in TTO penalty due to less familiarity, or are the differences too small to matter? |
| 10:15 |
: Interesting question
|
| 10:15 |
: Probably, though, too small
|
| 10:15 |
Bunt leads to bases loaded for Perez. Yost can’t want that. |
| 10:16 |
: Yeah, you want Gordon to bat.
|
| 10:16 |
: A bunt-and-run could be intersting, and maybe Butler bunting makes it hard for Posey to throw.
|
| 10:16 |
: Just tell him to pull it back at the end so he doesn’t pop it up.
|
| 10:17 |
: This is a girthy pitcher/batter matchup
|
| 10:17 |
Why not petit? |
| 10:18 |
: Petit couldn’t warm that fast
|
| 10:18 |
You described a fake bunt, not a bunt and run. |
| 10:18 |
: That works too.
|
| 10:18 |
: Wow, that was a godawful throw
|
| 10:18 |
: Was that on purpose?
|
| 10:18 |
: Ishikawa can’t throw.
|
| 10:18 |
: No kidding
|
| 10:19 |
: And Machi was a one batter guy.
|
| 10:19 |
: Never even got to throw his splitter
|
| 10:20 |
Is Andrew McCutchen a 5 tooler? |
| 10:20 |
: No arm
|
| 10:20 |
Ballgame. That’s what Bochy gets for staying with Peavy too long. |
| 10:20 |
: Always remember that both Peavy and Machi also failed to execute
|
| 10:21 |
: Bochy swung the odds a little. Players swung the odds a lot!
|
| 10:21 |
: A little odd to have Gore PR for Butler with a man ahead of him on the bases.
|
| 10:21 |
Lozreno Cain seems to get really good reads on hits. Or is that just me? |
| 10:21 |
: Awesome baserunner
|
| 10:22 |
GO FOR THE THROAT WITH A BUNT |
| 10:23 |
: Another pitching change!
|
| 10:23 |
: Slow this game down!
|
| 10:23 |
: Remember when this game was going quickly, Jeff?
|
| 10:24 |
: I wanted to see my Romo/Perez showdown 🙁
|
| 10:24 |
: Strickland isn’t nearly so equipped to make Perez look like a fool
|
| 10:24 |
At what point would you consider past pitcher/hitter stats to have any predictive meaning? 30/30 with 30 HR? 0-30 w/30 K’s? How many PAs and how extreme of numbers? |
| 10:24 |
: Goldschmidt/Lincecum is about as close as I get and it doesn’t even matter because now Lincecum is bad
|
| 10:25 |
: I think the most extreme “ownage” any hitter in The Book’s study had was like a .600 wOBA over 40 PAs or something, and it didn’t predict anything.
|
| 10:25 |
Lopez walked way too many guys this year |
| 10:25 |
: Not lefties
|
| 10:26 |
Are there any true 5 toolers in baseball right now? |
| 10:26 |
: Puig, Tulo, maybe Carlos Gonzalez, maybe Harper…
|
| 10:27 |
hey wait that looks like the mlb statcast. or did we know that? |
| 10:27 |
: Yes, that was Statcast.
|
| 10:28 |
How would you guys react if someone proposed limiting number of pitching changes in a game (or an inning; excluding injuries)? |
| 10:28 |
: I’m listening
|
| 10:28 |
: Well that’s a problem
|
| 10:28 |
: You can’t enforce it. Pitchers would just get “injured” a lot more often.
|
| 10:28 |
: I think I know why Strickland isn’t elite yet
|
| 10:29 |
: Should’ve been Romo 🙁
|
| 10:29 |
: 9 outs, Herrera/Davis/Holland, 3 run lead.
|
| 10:29 |
: This isn’t over, but it’s close.
|
| 10:29 |
: Basically over
|
| 10:30 |
: When Perez can eliminate the breaking ball, he doesn’t suck
|
| 10:30 |
: Now it’s over.
|
| 10:30 |
: You are way ahead of me
|
| 10:30 |
that got out quick |
| 10:31 |
: Some playoffs for Hunter Strickland!
|
| 10:31 |
and now it’s over |
| 10:31 |
: They are just not even the slightest bit worried about his breaking stuff
|
| 10:31 |
He seems a little headcase-y |
| 10:31 |
: Strickland maybe not a fan of giving up five dingers in a month
|
| 10:32 |
: Pretty sure we don’t see Strickland again this series.
|
| 10:32 |
: So he’s out, and Lincecum is out
|
| 10:32 |
: Lincecum might pitch today, now that this is over.
|
| 10:32 |
: And they’ve burned half their pen.
|
| 10:32 |
: Bryce Harper’s yelling at his massive television as we speak
|
| 10:33 |
Posey’s reaction was great. He looked at Strickland and was like dude just chill |
| 10:34 |
what would the pitching equivalent of 5 tools be? |
| 10:34 |
: Velocity…fastball command…secondary command…durability…
|
| 10:35 |
: movement?
|
| 10:35 |
: Intelligence.
|
| 10:35 |
: Not a factor in the hitting 5 tools, really
|
| 10:35 |
: Lincecum warming up.
|
| 10:35 |
: Intelligence more important in pitching than hitting.
|
| 10:36 |
: I feel like pitchers yelling a lot isn’t new to the game, Harold
|
| 10:37 |
With the win probability favoring the Royals to the tune of 98% – you have to just let Lincecum do anything he wants, right? Like underhand the ball to the plate? Save your stamina for game 3? or is that stupid, any odds of winning are worth fighting for? |
| 10:37 |
: You punt this one and let Lincecum pitch until its over.
|
| 10:38 |
: Thankful for that DP speeding things up. The rest of this game is practically unnecessary
|
| 10:38 |
: Now we just sit back and watch the beautiful beautiful fastballs
|
| 10:38 |
: If they even bother using Wade Davis
|
| 10:39 |
So all the people who said the Royals were done because of last night…they were wrong, yes? |
| 10:39 |
: They were wrong yesterday. Who would say that? That’s stupid.
|
| 10:39 |
How awful would it be if the Royals went to the dumpy relievers instead of Wade Davis and lost because of it. |
| 10:39 |
: Zero chance that happens. They haven’t pitched in a week.
|
| 10:39 |
: He’d use them just to get them work.
|
| 10:39 |
: And you can also very quickly go to Davis in the event of emergency!
|
| 10:40 |
welp, these were two not-close games |
| 10:41 |
: This was close for a while, which is something. Only blew up in the bottom of the sixth
|
| 10:41 |
how is intelligence not as important in hitting? They’re the 2 sides to the fundamental game |
| 10:41 |
: The pitcher has to decide what to do. The hitter reacts to that decision. One is a planned out thought process, the other a split-second reaction.
|
| 10:42 |
: Intelligence isn’t nothing for a hitter, but it’s a bigger part of the pie for a pitcher.
|
| 10:43 |
story told on KC broadcasts this year: Scout goes to see high school Billy Butler. He tells Billy’s dad that he likes his pitchers smart and his hitters dumb. Billy’s dad says “You’ll do great son!” |
| 10:44 |
That Billy Butler story was a Bazooka Joe comic. |
| 10:44 |
: Think I might get Herrera out now.
|
| 10:45 |
: ~20 pitches, including some very high leverage ones, with a five run lead.
|
| 10:45 |
: I’m still amazed he’s able to pitch this month after the discomfort scare
|
| 10:45 |
Has Bochy been over-reliant on Strickland? Sure seems like it, he hasn’t been good but seems blinded by the fastball. |
| 10:45 |
: In fairness, who expects five dingers? And Strickland was awesome yesterday
|
| 10:46 |
: He gave up four HRs in the regular season, minors and majors combined.
|
| 10:46 |
do high leverage pitches add to fatigue? |
| 10:46 |
: The pitchers say yes.
|
| 10:46 |
: Smarter managers always monitor high-leverage pitches vs. regular pitches. Stressful innings are believed to be more taxing
|
| 10:46 |
: Don’t know if it’s true but it sounds fine to me
|
| 10:47 |
: The fact that relievers seem to tire after ~20 suggests there’s something to it.
|
| 10:47 |
: Yeah, you have to take Herrera out now.
|
| 10:47 |
: Sitting 96, shaking his arm.
|
| 10:48 |
: Arm shaking is never a promising sign
|
| 10:48 |
: Aaaaaaand sticking with Herrera…
|
| 10:48 |
: Finnegan probably isn’t a quick get-ready guy, given his pedigree as a starter.
|
| 10:49 |
A fan should streak to give the pen some time. |
| 10:49 |
: Davis getting up now too.
|
| 10:49 |
: 95
|
| 10:49 |
: Different guy this inning.
|
| 10:50 |
: A single there would’ve made this a lot more fun
|
| 10:50 |
Has Salvador Perez always been this vulnerable to non-fastballs? Or has this worsened more recently? |
| 10:50 |
: surprising fun fact: not bad against sliders this season! http://www.fangraphs.com/st…
|
| 10:51 |
: almost at 30 pitches
|
| 10:51 |
: 100
|
| 10:51 |
: But not close
|
| 10:51 |
: “Purpose pitch” Reynolds politely suggests
|
| 10:52 |
yeah thats the ticket |
| 10:52 |
: Be interesting to see how that carries over to Herrera’s usage in games 3-5.
|
| 10:53 |
: Off tomorrow, but then three straight days with baseball. Probably can’t use him in all three after this.
|
| 10:53 |
: He’s not just pitching after his little injury — he’s being used heavily.
|
| 10:53 |
: That guy doesn’t sound like he looks.
|
| 10:53 |
: Pretty fortunate that he’s able to take the mound at all
|
| 10:53 |
: This has to be a fake voice.
|
| 10:54 |
Assuming the Royals hang on to win, are the Giants still favored from this point having 3 home games? |
| 10:54 |
: Probably pushes things to about 50/50
|
| 10:54 |
Are there any kind of alarm-bell peripheral statistics that would indicate a pitcher who might be prone to an elevated hr/fb ratio? |
| 10:54 |
: Sinkerballers
|
| 10:55 |
Is Dyson really better than Cain in center? |
| 10:55 |
: They seem to be similarly elite, but Cain might be more comfortable in RF
|
| 10:55 |
: Dyson’s a little faster, I think.
|
| 10:56 |
: Cain probably has the better arm
|
| 10:56 |
Jeff last night you did the BABIP for winning and loosing pitchers, but we don’t care about pitcher wins….is there a way to find the BABIP of every win vs loss this season? is baseball all luck?? |
| 10:56 |
: .330/.265
|
| 10:56 |
: Which makes sense, since hits are good for winning teams
|
| 10:56 |
Who is the best defensive CF in baseball? |
| 10:57 |
: Lagares or Bourjos would be my vote.
|
| 10:57 |
: Lagares is stupid good
|
| 10:58 |
: In the year 2014, Tim Lincecum is getting mop-up innings in the World Series
|
| 10:58 |
Would the Royals be Better just starting Dyson in from inning one? |
| 10:58 |
: I think so.
|
| 10:59 |
: That was a fun play by Crawford
|
| 10:59 |
: He got him by a lot, based on the bounce.
|
| 10:59 |
: Such a quick transfer
|
| 10:59 |
: Lovely changeup
|
| 10:59 |
: Verducci just said the words “high leverage”
|
| 10:59 |
: Normal for us, but not for TV guys.
|
| 11:00 |
: Is that an intuitive word? I feel like that’s not an intuitive word
|
| 11:00 |
i’ve heard a lot of guys reference leverage on tv in the past year or so…i think it’s one of the more accepted saber terms |
| 11:00 |
: woof
|
| 11:00 |
: I feel like WPA and WPA-like metrics are easy to sell to broadcasters and fans
|
| 11:01 |
: They’re numbers you can “feel” as you watch
|
| 11:01 |
have you guys been to kauffman? and if so, did you enjoy it? |
| 11:01 |
: I’ve never left my apartment
|
| 11:01 |
: Yeah. And they aren’t really value judgments about players, so they don’t challenge preconceived ideas.
|
| 11:02 |
: Leverage Index sounds weird and complicated until you get to sense it in a game. Then it’s just the most awesome thing that we have numbers for it
|
| 11:02 |
It’s literally a quantification of excitement. Based on aLI, we can actually say that Game 1 of the World Series was the least exciting of the entire postseason. That’s cool that something like that has a reliable stat. |
| 11:03 |
Would you steal off of Timmy ? It’s kind of bad form, but I think you have to. |
| 11:03 |
I hear the Nutella part of the nutella and go things are like, only half as tall as the package |
| 11:03 |
: Every single time
|
| 11:03 |
: The nutella component is indeed disappointly little
|
| 11:03 |
: I feel like this would be a very easy package to make yourself.
|
| 11:03 |
: Like most things that are convenient for on-the-go people
|
| 11:03 |
: Just buy a real nutella, scoop some into a regular tupperware, pack with other stuff.
|
| 11:04 |
or don’t buy nutella because it’s gross |
| 11:05 |
Daniel is out of his mind. Nutella is the nectar of the gods. |
| 11:05 |
Nutella is just alright. |
| 11:06 |
: It’s among the best spreadables
|
| 11:06 |
: I wish I didn’t say that word
|
| 11:06 |
: So every time the Royals get a lead, we’re going to get James Shields trade rationalization, aren’t we?
|
| 11:06 |
: Delicious
|
| 11:06 |
: /stops preparing identical poll
|
| 11:06 |
Why in the world is Wade Davis pitching tonight? |
| 11:07 |
: work
|
| 11:07 |
I get the feeling that dave would be unbearably impossible to go to a restaurant with – “well, you could just grow your own rice, go out on your shrimp boat, go to the middle east and pick your own saffron and make your own paella, paying somebody to do it is a total ripoff” |
| 11:08 |
: I like going out to eat, and have no problem paying for convenience. I just don’t see that particular product being all that convenient.
|
| 11:08 |
: Dave is constantly giving restaurant recommendations
|
| 11:08 |
: Speaking of which, I should plug this ice cream I just found last week. Best ice cream I’ve ever had.
|
| 11:08 |
: salt & straw beats it
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| 11:09 |
: It’s called Gelato Fiasco. Based out of Maine. Insanely good.
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| 11:09 |
: I’ve had Salt and Straw. This is better.
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| 11:09 |
: no
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| 11:09 |
: (I’ve had 1 flavor at Salt and Straw, once)
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| 11:09 |
Yeah. We don’t get that in Minnesota. Never heard of it. |
| 11:09 |
: They ship!
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| 11:09 |
: well you have my attention
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| 11:10 |
: Gelato Fiasco. Check it out. It’s crazy good.
|
| 11:10 |
: flavors?
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| 11:10 |
: also, one inning left in the baseball game!
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| 11:10 |
: We’ve tried their dark chocolate caramel sea salt and toasted marshmellow smores.
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| 11:10 |
Dave have you ever been to the gelato shop by hanes park? |
| 11:10 |
: Yeah, the lady who runs it is awesome.
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| 11:10 |
: oh sea salt/caramel blends are always unfair
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| 11:10 |
: This one’s good because of the chocolate though.
|
| 11:11 |
: (This is what you get when two boring games in a row happen)
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| 11:11 |
: I might just have to buy some tonight!
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| 11:11 |
: At least we had two hours of interesting baseball!
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| 11:11 |
: Warning: It’s not cheap
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| 11:11 |
: That’s okay, I make huge money from my employer FanGraphs.com
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| 11:11 |
: $7.50 per pint at Fresh Market (east coast Whole Foods type store), $10 per pint shipped.
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| 11:12 |
Pitches better then Wade Davis’ cutter? |
| 11:12 |
: maybe 5-10 of ’em
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| 11:12 |
which is more annoying to hear revisited: shields trade or cespedes trade? |
| 11:12 |
: Shields trade
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| 11:12 |
Will having at bats against Davis this game help the Giants hitters later in the series? |
| 11:13 |
: Doubt it
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| 11:13 |
Did any of you guys play the Tony LaRussa Baseball computer games? Is there anything like that now? |
| 11:13 |
: I loved those. Played them after we upgraded from Earl Weaver Baseball 2.
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| 11:14 |
Is there a particular skill set that translates from failed starter to amazing reliever? |
| 11:14 |
: really good primary pitch
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| 11:14 |
: Sinker/slider RH.
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| 11:15 |
what happened to lincecum? is it simply a matter of losing his velocity? |
| 11:15 |
: He sucks with men on base. No one knows why.
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| 11:16 |
: I suspect a surprising part of it is that he’s so easy to steal against
|
| 11:16 |
: The batting lines against him go way up too.
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| 11:16 |
: didn’t happen that way in 2013
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| 11:17 |
: Did, obviously, in 2014!
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| 11:17 |
: And 2012.
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| 11:18 |
| 11:18 |
: I remember the article, Dave.
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| 11:18 |
: I remember everything you write.
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| 11:18 |
: What did I think of Drew Henson as a prospect?
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| 11:18 |
: I say we leave it at mechanical inconsistency!
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| 11:19 |
: You hated him
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| 11:19 |
: Nope! I liked him a lot.
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| 11:19 |
: And Lincecum is done.
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| 11:19 |
: Wait!
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| 11:19 |
: I was thinking of that other Yankees guy
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| 11:19 |
: Duncan?
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| 11:19 |
: Seems like he’s favoring his knee.
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| 11:20 |
: And no, I didn’t like Shelley Duncan, but he was never a great prospect.
|
| 11:20 |
: No, not him
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| 11:20 |
: Eric Duncan
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| 11:20 |
: Oh, yeah, I liked him.
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| 11:20 |
: Welp, I’m all backwards
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| 11:20 |
: You know what’s amazing?
|
| 11:20 |
: People are still here.
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| 11:21 |
KC fans might be seeing their last inning of ball at home this year. |
| 11:21 |
: Probably not going to have a three-game SF sweep in either direction
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| 11:21 |
: I mean, the Royals lose the DH, but their DH is Billy Butler
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| 11:22 |
Have y’all ever studied pitching biomechanics and stuff like hip-shoulder separation an shoulder external rotation? Data like this would show why Lincecum lost his velocity I think |
| 11:22 |
: Safe to say, no, we have never done that.
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| 11:23 |
Well Giants lose their DH Morse to |
| 11:23 |
: Does Lincecum get that K?
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| 11:23 |
A little anti-climactic |
| 11:24 |
greg dutch, greg netherland, greg holland |
| 11:24 |
espn has Casilla as getting the K |
| 11:25 |
Looking into your crystal ball, what do you see for Strickland’s career? |
| 11:25 |
: Decent reliever, surgery
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| 11:25 |
: Every time he gives up a HR in the future, someone will say “here he goes again”
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| 11:26 |
: Like Octavio Dotel
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| 11:26 |
What is the average Runs Allowed for the Royals “Big Three”? If you are behind in the 7th inning, is it worth it to just punt the game and save them for another game? |
| 11:26 |
: Pinch-hitting for Morse. Interesting.
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| 11:26 |
: I mean, it depends on the deficit, but true talent they’re probably 2.00 RA-ish
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| 11:27 |
: Probably just wants Susac to get some work
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| 11:27 |
: Their chances of winning is like 0%, but I’m surprised to see them admit it like this.
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| 11:28 |
Any FG,BR,etc. writers have medical doctorates? |
| 11:28 |
: I don’t think anyone goes that far so that they can make a lot less money writing about a game
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| 11:28 |
: Oh, Rany
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| 11:28 |
: Yeah, he’s the only one I can think of.
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| 11:29 |
: Carleton presumably has some kind of masters
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| 11:29 |
: Psychology, though.
|
| 11:29 |
: BOOM
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| 11:29 |
Any Ph.D. Fangraphers? |
| 11:29 |
: Dave Allen doesn’t write for us much anymore, but he has one.
|
| 11:29 |
: Matt Swartz too.
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| 11:30 |
: Swartz writes like it
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| 11:30 |
Better pitch; Davis’ Cutter or Holland’s slider/Splitter thing? |
| 11:30 |
: Cutter, serves a broader purpose
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| 11:30 |
Holland throws a slider and splitter |
| 11:31 |
: Now I disagree with myself
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| 11:31 |
Wendy is a “doctor of laws” |
| 11:31 |
Carelton has a Ph.D in Clinical Psychology. I’m surprised a person with a such as degree hasn’t had various job offers for every team. Mental Health is probably a HUGE frontier in baseball….at least from what we know.Sad there is such a stigma |
| 11:31 |
: He worked for the Indians.
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| 11:32 |
: He may have very well decided life outside of baseball is better.
|
| 11:32 |
: Which is probably the correct opinion
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| 11:32 |
: It’s one I hold.
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| 11:33 |
: It’s one I hold now, as opposed to a few years ago
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| 11:33 |
Long term, Susac replaces Posey as the everyday catcher with Posey moving to first? |
| 11:33 |
: Or third, sooner
|
| 11:33 |
: And Greg Holland is still good.
|
| 11:33 |
: Kansas City won a World Series game
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| 11:34 |
When Mike Morse is in LF does that count as ‘defensive indifference’. |
| 11:34 |
Is there life outside of baseball? |
| 11:34 |
: You have an offday to find out!
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| 11:34 |
: Thanks for hanging out again, everyone. Jeff and I will pick up the chats next Tuesday for Game 6, if they get that far. You’ll have a motley crew of fun hosts this weekend.
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| 11:35 |
: Thanks everyone! Thanks Dave!
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| 11:35 |
: Night all.
|
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
Tellya what, Rags: all this ‘Bochy’s a genius’ buzz is gettin’ outta hand. Gonna put a stop to it, this game.
– What’s the plan?
Waal, Peavy’s shot all ta hell by now, so rather’n take him out before he gets flayed alive, I’ll just leav’im in there long enough to get the bullpen into a real fix, then go to Strickland.
– Gawd, Boch, that’s just brutal. They already saw him last night, now he’s so full of himself after not giving up more dingers, it’ll be worse than sending a faun into den of ravenous wolves. It’ll look to obvious; you need a diversion.
Whattaya suggest?
– You could maybe send the LOOGY in to get one out, which’ll allow you to open the blood sluices and declare it national holiday for predators.
Good thinkin’, Rags; knew I could count on you. HEY UMP – TIME OUT; GONNA CHANGES PITCHERS.
…
I chuckled, but what the hell did I just read?
It’s a source-confirmed official transcript of an entirely theoretical conversation between Giants’ manager Bruce Bochy and Giants’ pitching coach Dave Righetti, while they observe the Giants’ at bats preceding the last half inning of Jake Peavy’s time on the pitcher’s mound this evening.
No it isn’t.
Oyp. We’re receiving confirmation that there’s an alternative transcript. Here’s a partial transcript – which, before playing it, we preface with a warning about some of the language used and more significantly some of the apparent syntactical allusion. It appears to be a combination of typically boorish alpha-jock b.s. and genuinely unacceptable racist a-holery on the part of Strickland.
Jordan Z – If by “No, it isn’t”, you’re somehow asserting that i am WRONG in asserting that something I myself completely made up AND am prepared to admit I completely made up AND in fact in the very post you’re responding to, the one I admit to being “theoretical”, i.e. to wit etc. made up, a.k.a., with the conversation in it portraying Bruce Bochy and Dave Righetti talking, is not made up or unreal or fictional, but is true, then, I for one am prepared to assure you that a highly attentive readership of at least one is ready, willing and able to read your further post on this subject, wherein, as I gather, you will seek to convince all readers, including me, that I was factually accurate in reporting an actual conversation of those persons.
Please take as much time and space as you feel you need.