2016 NLDS Game 5 Live Blog
| 8:02 |
: Hey friends
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| 8:03 |
: Craig Edwards, Sean Dolinar, and myself will be your hosts for the evening.
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| 8:03 |
: Can confirm my presence.
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| 8:03 |
: One note; I’m fighting a cold — sending your kid to daycare has some downsides — so if any of my comments seem insane, I blame that.
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| 8:08 |
: Will there be the excitement of game pace vs laptop battery pace tonight?
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| 8:08 |
: No, watching from home this time. Which means there will be excitement from toddler and dog vying for my attention.
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| 8:08 |
: Cubs fan: who should I be rooting for?
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| 8:08 |
: Hi, everyone. I had to remember my password…It’s been a while since Opening Day.
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| 8:08 |
: Probably the Nationals. No Strasburg means they’re a bit easier opponent, I think.
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| 8:08 |
: I’m just rooting for a big Harper AB and some quality pitching from Urias.
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| 8:09 |
: Pretty sure we’ll get at least one big Harper AB.
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| 8:09 |
: I would also side with the Nationals. Scherzer going tonight means he can’t pitch until game 3. Kershaw is currently lined up for Game 2.
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| 8:09 |
: HERE WE GO
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| 8:10 |
: Does Urias pitch tonight and if so how much and when?
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| 8:10 |
: Definitely. I’d guess 2 innings, probably 6-7.
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| 8:10 |
: I’m ready to go if needed.
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| 8:11 |
: Chances we see Jansen before the 8th inning tonight?
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| 8:11 |
: 2%
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| 8:11 |
: I’m ready to go too if needed 🙁
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| 8:12 |
: Better route than he took on the Justin Turner flyball in Game 4, for sure.
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| 8:12 |
: Will we see Baez tonight after that ugly outing in game 4?
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| 8:12 |
: Guessing they’re going to try to stay away from Baez and Avilan tonight.
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| 8:12 |
: there isn’t a reasonable scenario where Jansen pitches in the 7th or earlier. Not one good for the Dodgers anyway.
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| 8:12 |
: Update: my son just brought me our rice cooker.
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| 8:13 |
: Can’t root for the dodgers of the 5 teams remaining they have the most recent title…it’s someone else’s turn! (tad sarcastic even if true)
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| 8:13 |
: Please keep giving us updates on the child, wife and dog.
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| 8:14 |
: 90 mph change?
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| 8:14 |
: If you are rooting for players who haven’t won one yet, Adrian Gonzalez and Clayton Kershaw have to be pretty high on the list.
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| 8:14 |
: The velocity in MLB now is ridiculous.
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| 8:14 |
: Curious what fan graphs intelligentsia thinks of Turner in cf short and long term
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| 8:15 |
: I think it’s the best spot for him. That speed is wasted in the infield.
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| 8:15 |
: Jays are actually more recent. 93
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| 8:15 |
: If Cubs win the World Series, does Theo go down as best sports exec ever?
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| 8:16 |
: I think Branch Rickey is going to hold on to that one for a while.
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| 8:16 |
: I would hope that no one is judging the quality of an executive based on the results of an LCS.
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| 8:16 |
: Would you think less of Theo today if the Giants bullpen didn’t suck?
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| 8:17 |
: time for all the curveballs
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| 8:17 |
: Turner seems like he moves slowly laterally for a guy with his speed
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| 8:17 |
: given his experience on the infield, if this is an actual problem now, it isn’t likely to be one long-term.
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| 8:18 |
: Let’s enjoy the amount of emotion Rich Hill attaches to every pitch.
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| 8:18 |
: Rich Hill curveball is easily my favorite pitch to watch
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| 8:18 |
: am i crazy for thinking the double lefty idea with hill and urias is great?
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| 8:19 |
: using two starting pitchers for relatively short bursts is probably a good idea regardless of handedness.
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| 8:19 |
: I still would have preferred Urias in game four and full-rest Kershaw tonight.
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| 8:20 |
: Should the Dodgers have put Alex Wood on the playoff roster, or did Urias make him redundant?
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| 8:20 |
: Bullpen already a little heavy on lefties.
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| 8:20 |
: That curveball is more dreamy than Chase Utley
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| 8:21 |
: Old man reflexes
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| 8:21 |
: It’s a good thing you don’t need your wrist to pitch
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| 8:22 |
: And this is the ‘luck’ part that people discount as part of a short-series playoffs
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| 8:22 |
: Was Justin Turner always this big?
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| 8:23 |
: That slow-mo curve grip.
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| 8:23 |
: No, although few people stay the same size in their 30s compared to their mid-20s. The beard also helps/hurts in that regard.
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| 8:23 |
: what is Marlins Man’s budget like?
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| 8:23 |
: At this point, he has to be sponsored or something, right?
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| 8:24 |
: I miss 2015 Bryce Harper 🙁
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| 8:24 |
: So Bryce Harper’s zombie is only gonna be here until next season right?
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| 8:24 |
: He has to be hurt.
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| 8:24 |
: maybe he writes it off as an advertising expense
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| 8:24 |
: sponsored by the Marlins?
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| 8:25 |
: It’s way cheaper than buying ad space on the behind the plate boards, right?
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| 8:25 |
: Marlins Man works from his hotel room during the day, right?
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| 8:25 |
: What does Justin Turner’s free agent stock look like?
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| 8:25 |
: hearty
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| 8:25 |
: Marlins Man apparently worked in corporate law and had one major win then retired.
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| 8:26 |
: These “scouting reports” have been terrible.
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| 8:26 |
: That curveball makes my pants feel tight
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| 8:26 |
: When we talk about Marlins Man, he wins.
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| 8:27 |
: We should give Marlins Man the Voldemort treatment.
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| 8:28 |
: As a nationals fan, I hope espinosa just bunts for a hit every time, feel like it’d work at least once.
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| 8:28 |
: or have him swing for the fences 12 times and see what happens, which isn’t far off from his general strategy.
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| 8:29 |
: Marlins Man would be a Marlins fan, though, amirite? He’s like the franchise personified — desperate for attention but ultimately disappointing, self-interested, and annoying.
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| 8:30 |
: Why do you all hate Marlins Man? If I could I would be Marlins Man
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| 8:30 |
: Warning track power.
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| 8:31 |
: What’s the difference between the gray and green lines on the win expectancy charts?
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| 8:31 |
: Green is talent agnostic, gray has projections built in.
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| 8:31 |
: he only swings for the fences if it’s a ball. if it’s a strike he leans in
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| 8:31 |
: So green begins at 50% WE…gray will adjust for our Game Odds. This gets discounted as the game goes on.
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| 8:32 |
: To whomever approves each chat message, you stink. You take too long, and in doing so are complicit in limiting conversation. Thanks for nothing. Next season get better.
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| 8:32 |
: You’re welcome!
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| 8:32 |
: If anybody else hates Joe Buck’s call, the international feed of the World Series (accessible online… legal?) is called by Vasgersian and Smoltz. So choice.
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| 8:32 |
: That outage during Gm1 of the WS last year was amazing when they had to switch feeds.
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| 8:33 |
: (Also, this isn’t a chat. This is a live blog.)
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| 8:33 |
: Hill for 3, Urias for 2, then . . . does Kershaw pitch an inning tonight?
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| 8:33 |
: Hill for ~4, Stripling for ~2, Urias for ~2, Jansen for ~1, at least from what J.P. Hoornstra told me.
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| 8:34 |
: (I like Joe Buck)
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| 8:34 |
: Hi Dave, i signed up to be bone marrow donor after being inspired by you. Hopefully I’m a match some day and I can help someone in need.
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| 8:34 |
: Thank you!
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| 8:34 |
: Scherzer is good. /analysis
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| 8:35 |
: Usually, I have podcasts going. I wish I could just have an effects mix with no announcers.
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| 8:35 |
: I have the game muted because Borkwife is watching the bachelorette. I still think it’s better commentary than Joe Buck.
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| 8:36 |
: So in honor of Jeff’s poll today, which of these teams is most likely to miss the playoffs next year? Or is it simply inconceivable that either of them do?
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| 8:36 |
: Anyone can miss the playoffs in any given year. I’d take Washington as slightly more likely, given that Stras’ health is not a sure thing, and they won’t have Ramos for at least part of the year. Melancon likely leaving too.
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| 8:37 |
: I also like the other teams in the NL East a little more than the West.
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| 8:37 |
: What does everyone do during commercials? Early season Simpsons episodes are on FXX for me.
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| 8:38 |
: I eat, drink, and look at twitter.
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| 8:38 |
: Murphy is actually unstoppable.
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| 8:39 |
: Why wouldn’t the Nats make a serious effort to resign Melancon? He’s been a god-send.
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| 8:39 |
: He’s going to be very expensive.
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| 8:40 |
: Are there any future FG playoff game blogs? Is there any reason why its not posted anywhere ahead of time like a schedule?
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| 8:40 |
: It will be really interesting to see if Washington spends this winter. They’ve had a few creative/deferred contracts/offers of late and just inked Strasburg long term.
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| 8:41 |
: They are subject to writer availability and interest, so we can’t really predict when someone will be available to do one, or when an elimination game will be.
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| 8:41 |
: the announcers are a strange thing to get upset over in some ways but i don’t blame people considering you aren’t given any choice. being able to select home/road/radio on mlb.tv is an underrated innovation that hopefully gives MLB some data on who people actually like and don’t
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| 8:41 |
: Sometimes the things they say are ridiculous. Though overall, being on-air talent is difficult especially in baseball where you need to fill.
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| 8:41 |
: I’m supposed to be reading Macbeth for my English class right now. Anyone care to summarize it for me?
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| 8:41 |
: Macbeth was the name of the sled.
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| 8:42 |
: bunch of guys die
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| 8:42 |
: Kevin Spacey is Macbeth.
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| 8:42 |
: Does Rich Hill have one of the most remarkable careers in recent memory?
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| 8:42 |
: The most remarkable.
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| 8:43 |
: Javy Baez would’ve made that tag
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| 8:44 |
: If Murphy would have momentarily come off the bag, Dave would have flipped
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| 8:44 |
: They have to change that rule. It’s so dumb.
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| 8:44 |
: It seems like Washington is willing to spend almost every offseason.
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| 8:45 |
: Hill is getting a much tighter zone than in game 2 (which was absurd)
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| 8:45 |
: Probably should’ve swung 3-0.
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| 8:45 |
: Should batters swing more on 3-0?
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| 8:45 |
: missed on Heyward and Cespedes, in part because of the way the deals were structured. They are wiaiting to get tv money that hasn’t come their way yet.
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| 8:45 |
: The Effectively Wild guys have a great solution. Once a runner hits the bag, it (theoretically) extends upwards. Can’t come off of it upwards, only slide past
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| 8:45 |
: That was my idea…
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| 8:46 |
: The Effectively Wild guys have really done a great job being the managing editor of Fangraphs
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| 8:47 |
: batters should swing at hittable pitches if they are strikes, regardless of count if they are comfortable doing so and the pitcher doesn’t seem wild.
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| 8:47 |
: Jeff Sullivan’s Twitter informed he that Joey Votto had more 3-0 swings than like 6 or 7 entire teams. Jeff Sullivan’s Twitter is alright.
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| 8:47 |
: Jeff Sullivan is a national treasure.
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| 8:48 |
: i don’t buy the “its so hard to be on-air talent” when there are 15-20 local broadcast teams who are easily better than buck/reynolds are
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| 8:48 |
: Terrible throw Reddick.
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| 8:48 |
: Did Nick Cage discover Jeff?
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| 8:48 |
: Nothing like a five hopper on a ball you have to charge…
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| 8:49 |
: this is true, but also keep in mind, broadcasters are generally going to be better focusing on one team. McCarver had declined a ton on the national broadcasts but did a decent job only doing a handful of Cardinals games the past few years.
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| 8:49 |
: Dance Dance Fever, huh?
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| 8:50 |
: Is there any precedent for Hill? From nothing to big game starter at 36?
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| 8:50 |
: Why Fields instead of Uriah?
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| 8:51 |
: Probably takes Urias a while to warm up.
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| 8:51 |
: Plus if you’re going to take out Hill, probably want to do it when an RHB is up.
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| 8:52 |
: Didn’t hang that one.
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| 8:52 |
: He wasn’t quite nothing. He was a solid starter early on, got hurt, tried to be a reliever who specialized, changing his motion. He then went back to his original, successful motion to be a starter again and it miraculously worked. It’s a nutty story, but he’s always had talent.
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| 8:53 |
: Also, lots and lots of curveballs
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| 8:54 |
: Uh, no, you don’t try a steal with the pitcher up. If you get thrown out, the pitcher has to lead off next inning.
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| 8:54 |
: I’m not a scout but am I crazy to think Julio Urias looks like a guy who’s gonna gain a ton of weight in his late 30s? Are we looking at the next generation’s Bartolo Colon without knowing it?
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| 8:54 |
: That’s been a knock on him for a while now.
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| 8:54 |
: more remarkable than Arrieta?
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| 8:54 |
: Arrieta was a decade younger. much different situation.
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| 8:55 |
: Whether to let Hill hit here will be interesting.
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| 8:55 |
: I’d guess they PH for him if there’s no bunt situation, but let him put one down if there is.
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| 8:56 |
: do Fangraphs’ WE charts take into account the position in the order that is due up?
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| 8:56 |
: No, it’s just basically score and inning.
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| 8:57 |
: Re Washington spending: could they decline Gio’s option (relying instead on Lopez, Giolito, and Cole to round out the rotation) and spend the money on the bullpen?
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| 8:57 |
: That option is way too reasonable not to be picked up.
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| 8:57 |
: Re: WE — Oh and base-out state.
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| 8:57 |
: Hill is getting ready to hit
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| 8:58 |
: Walking Grandal. Okay.
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| 8:58 |
: Grandal is a good hitter.
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| 8:58 |
: Does the MASN dispute ever get settled? I think we see more aggressive spending when this happens.
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| 8:59 |
: eventually, but Washington has already spent as though it will get the money. A massive spike isn’t likely.
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| 8:59 |
: 10/10 eyebrows: 1) andrew toles, 2) matt moore
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| 8:59 |
: wow, they got a 3-6-3 even with Zimm’s arm. Espinosa’s compensates
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| 8:59 |
: Espy has a cannon
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| 8:59 |
: How long does Scherzer go tonight? Do we see more of him or do they go to their bullpen soon?
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| 9:00 |
: I bet Dusty tries to get 7 out of him.
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| 9:01 |
: As someone who generally doesn’t watch the Nationals, how is their bullpen?
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| 9:01 |
: Underrated.
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| 9:01 |
: Treinen is solid, Kelley is excellent, Melancon is a quality closer.
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| 9:02 |
: We’re now on “faced the minimum” watch. Whenever a broadcaster uses that phrase you know there’s been a GIDP or CS
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| 9:02 |
: Uh oh, Hill is looking and rubbing his fingers. Blister Watch!
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| 9:04 |
: As someone who generally watches the nationals, usage of kelley as high leverage guy has been a huge improvement over the matchup games we used to play.
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| 9:04 |
: What do you do to counteract the Colon weight gain path for Urias?
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| 9:04 |
: Well Colon is 40 and still really good, so I’m not sure you care.
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| 9:04 |
: If a team is very good at stealing signs, any motivation to stay at 2nd instead of going 1st to 3rd? Or value minimal compared to extra 90ft?
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| 9:04 |
: Extra 90 feet.
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| 9:04 |
: That was a Pillar-ian swing from Trea
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| 9:05 |
: If Turner doesn’t take second, I’ll be shocked.
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| 9:06 |
: rich hill LOOKS like a nice man
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| 9:06 |
: Rich Hill looks like he was the template for those inflatable dancing guys at car lots
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| 9:06 |
: How May innings does Hill likely go, assuming no more runs?
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| 9:06 |
: I think he’s done soon.
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| 9:07 |
: Turner the fastest non-Billy Hamilton player in MLB?
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| 9:07 |
: Buxton is faster.
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| 9:07 |
: That split screen was fantastic for seeing how tremendous Turner’s jump was. I’m quickly falling in love with him
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| 9:08 |
: Jesus Christ he can really burn
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| 9:08 |
: Do you think there is going to be more of a trend of using upper tier relievers earlier in games like Cleveland did with Miller? Kinda seems like a more valuable spot to put a fire out than a fresh 9th during a save situation.
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| 9:08 |
: I wish Terrance Gore could hit. I love watching fast guys run the bases.
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| 9:09 |
: So, Turner or Seager for the next five years? And does it matter if Seager can’t stick at ss?
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| 9:09 |
: Turner’s a nice piece, but he’s not in Seager’s class.
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| 9:09 |
: Joe Blanton warming up. Why not Urias?
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| 9:10 |
: Same reason as earlier; you want an RH reliever who can warm fast to get RHBs out.
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| 9:10 |
: I’m not convinced it will be a trend. Need a manager willing to do it/make more decisions, and as long as arb and FA pay for saves, makes it tough for player happiness as well.
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| 9:11 |
: I’d say in the postseason, yes. But it’s been a trend for a while now there in some form or another.
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| 9:11 |
: When they bring the infield in, what effect does that have on a hitters slash lines?
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| 9:12 |
: They go up
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| 9:12 |
: Plus the day-to-day regular season is a different animal.
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| 9:12 |
: Walk Murphy?
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| 9:12 |
: No.
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| 9:12 |
: But Roberts disagrees.
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| 9:13 |
: And that’s it for Hill.
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| 9:13 |
: Why not walk murphy?
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| 9:13 |
: Putting an extra potential run on base.
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| 9:14 |
: Why walk Murphy if you’re just going to pull Hill?
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| 9:14 |
: Do you find any significance to the fact that Joe Girardi, who is normally seen as a progressive manager working for a data-savvy organization, moved towards more traditional bullpen roles this season than he had in the past?
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| 9:14 |
: You walk Murphy because you’re going to pull him, get RvR with Blanton.
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| 9:14 |
: How many outs does Roberts plan for Blanton?
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| 9:14 |
: I would guess 4, then try to start Urias in the 5th.
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| 9:14 |
: He basically couldn’t screw that situation up, so why not go with what’s easy.
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| 9:15 |
: I actually don’t like pulling Hill he’s been getting a lot of swings and misses. But I can understand it.
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| 9:15 |
: 3 days rest, was always going to have a short leash
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| 9:15 |
: So I admittedly haven’t watched the Dodgers much at all this season, but doesn’t Joe Blanton suck?
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| 9:15 |
: Nope.
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| 9:16 |
: Will anyone steal 100 bases again? Can Turner do it?
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| 9:16 |
: Hypothetically why isn’t an outfielder put behind the catcher during an intentional work just incase there is a wild pitch.
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| 9:16 |
: Too rare to justify it.
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| 9:16 |
: At least Roberts is smart enough to use one of his top relievers here.
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| 9:16 |
: You would have to be willing to get caught more and try to steal third a bunch. Probably not wise unless the run-scoring environment goes down further.
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| 9:16 |
: Right.
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| 9:17 |
: You also can’t have a fielder line up in foul territory aside from the catcher.
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| 9:17 |
: Why does the current pitcher intentionally walk the hitter? Why not make the RP responsible for that run?
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| 9:17 |
: better to come in fresh
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| 9:18 |
: that slider
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| 9:18 |
: Another reason not to walk Murphy.
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| 9:18 |
: Very smart steal of 2nd there
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| 9:18 |
: That double steal could have been fun to watch.
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| 9:18 |
: welp
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| 9:19 |
: Scary
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| 9:19 |
: That’s another example of luck.
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| 9:19 |
: Rendon scorched a bad pitch, but Dodgers get an out.
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| 9:20 |
: someone please tell me why so many pitchers have goop on the bills of their caps and nobody does anything about it?
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| 9:20 |
: Batters don’t want to get hit in the face by an errant pitch because pitchers can’t grip the ball.
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| 9:20 |
: Is Hill still in this game if Grandal or Reddick make a decent throw?
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| 9:21 |
: Maybe, but they were always going to pull him early.
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| 9:21 |
: I bet if Kershaw had put those guys on they’d both have scored.
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| 9:21 |
: We have Nationals at 63% to win now. http://www.fangraphs.com/livewins.aspx?date=2016-10-13&team=Nationals&dh=0&season=2016
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| 9:22 |
: How bad strategically is the first and third play where the guy on first intentionally gets in a run down to try and let the guy on third dash home?
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| 9:23 |
: depends on what the chances are of the player scoring, but if they are good and there are two outs, it can be a good play.
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| 9:24 |
: That K guy is PUMPED
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| 9:24 |
: Do what extent are the dodgers FO calling pitcher subs and starting lineup?
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| 9:25 |
: They aren’t. They work with Roberts pregame, but in-game, it’s his call.
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| 9:26 |
: Giving praise to Lobaton for the terrible framing attempt.
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| 9:26 |
: JC, that K guy is Robin Ficker, a well known Bullets/Wizards superfan/heckler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Ficker#Sports_heckler).
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| 9:26 |
: Not a strike
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| 9:27 |
: oh come on that was even worse than the earlier outside call
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| 9:28 |
: Max Scherzer looks like a bond villian, he is even named like one.
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| 9:28 |
: Are Dodgers currently getting hosed with these calls?
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| 9:28 |
: Yeah, these are not strikes.
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| 9:28 |
: If Scherzer is going to continue to get calls down there, he’ll be unhittable.
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| 9:30 |
: where do you rank scherzer’s change in a list of best starting pitcher offspeed pitchers?
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| 9:31 |
: not that high-it’s the FB-slider combo that makes him dominant. change helps, but not as good as his top pitches.
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| 9:31 |
: Dave … do you have the ability to access specifically when Scherzer’s times-thru-the-order penalty indicates he becomes less effective than the Nationals RPs?
Meaning, for example, when should Scherzer be lifted, statistically – not matter how this game is going – for the first RP (say, Treinen)? |
| 9:31 |
: We do have times thru the order splits for the players. http://www.fangraphs.com/splitstool.aspx?playerid=3137&position=P&splitArr=29&strgroup=season&type=1&startDate=all&endDate=all
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| 9:31 |
: You’d have to do some comparisons, but the data is there.
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| 9:31 |
: gold glove to that ballgirl
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| 9:32 |
: This is a good AB.
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| 9:32 |
: I always find it funny that people think lots of fouls = good hitting. Good hitting = hit the ball hard, fair.
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| 9:33 |
: Ginger Jesus is so good at baseball
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| 9:33 |
: forget it, put him on!
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| 9:33 |
: I played with Turner at CSUF, he is the kind of guy who would foul off pitches to stay alive. It is a skill.
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| 9:34 |
: Not saying it’s not a skill, but it’s a better skill to not have to foul balls off.
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| 9:35 |
: Fellow Titan?? Class of 2010 here!
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| 9:36 |
: the expected batting average on that Rendon lineout earlier based on launch angle and exit velocity was .686.
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| 9:37 |
: Basically your standard BA on line drives…
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| 9:38 |
: it’s just every time I see him pitch (admittedly not often) it seems that he gets a ton of swing and misses on that change.. but I guess you’re right, could just be that his other pitches are so good hitters have to hedge their bets
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| 9:38 |
: The change-up is also very good. I think Craig undersold it.
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| 9:40 |
: Thank you for the info Sean.
After looking it up, if anyone is interested … statistically, Blake Treinen is better 1x thru the order than Scherzer is 3x thru the order. So, technically/statistically, assuming this game stays close, Scherzer should only go, at most, 2 more full IP … despite not giving up a hit yet and seemingly throwing well. Thoughts from the Fangraphs staff? |
| 9:40 |
: It’s not quite that simple, since you have to account for the fact that Scherzer is much better vs LHBs than Treinen.
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| 9:40 |
: But in general, yes, I think Dusty will leave Scherzer in too long.
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| 9:40 |
: Does Justin Turner go over/under on 20 million AAV on his next contract?
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| 9:41 |
: I think around there, depending on years.
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| 9:41 |
: You can look up that split, too! Times through the order and vs LHH.
|
| 9:41 |
: JT: $80/4 ?
|
| 9:41 |
: Yeah, something like that. Maybe a little less.
|
| 9:42 |
: Is there a way to see the playoff games to the players’ game log pages? I was trying to look up how individual guys have done so far this postseason, but can’t find it.
|
| 9:42 |
: On the player pages, you can click postseason to see their playoff numbers.
|
| 9:43 |
: Blanton get multi-year offer?
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| 9:43 |
: For sure.
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| 9:43 |
: I’m sure you guys have written at least a couple articles about it..but what’s been behind Turner’s transformation from meh utility player on the Mets to what he is now? a fair response is “read our damn article”
|
| 9:43 |
: Same thing as almost every change of late; guy with contact skills figured out how to hit for power.
|
| 9:44 |
: Also, this obviously isn’t a statistical analysis, but when Scherzer is “on,” he is just as good as any pitcher in baseball
|
| 9:45 |
: fair-but he’s also at 67 pitches through four. The sixth and seventh will present some tough choices.
|
| 9:45 |
: Do they try to ride Blanton, even with Urias ready?
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| 9:45 |
: I’d bet they just want to get through this inning.
|
| 9:46 |
: Just woke up. Is Kershaw available?
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| 9:46 |
: Nope.
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| 9:46 |
: Why is Guacamole so much more expensive than other dips?
|
| 9:47 |
: Avocados are not cheap.
|
| 9:47 |
: Any examples of a reverse JT? Power hitter who gained contact skills to become elite? I seem to remember Miggy was a 270 hitter in 03 but that could have just been adjustments
|
| 9:47 |
: Miggy’s always made good contact. I think Mike Schmidt cut his strikeout rate in half.
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| 9:48 |
: Kris Bryant made more contact too, although he struck out a lot only for one season.
|
| 9:48 |
: Yeah, and he was pretty good even as high K guy.
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| 9:49 |
: What separates the guys who can make such big adjustments from the guys who can’t? Doesn’t everyone try to hit for more contact or more power all the time?
|
| 9:49 |
: Beltre lowered his k-rate as well, although it was never very high.
|
| 9:49 |
: If we could answer that question, we’d be running a team.
|
| 9:50 |
: That was so far out!
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| 9:50 |
: If the nats win is Lobaton their MVP for pillaging the strike zone like he is?
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| 9:51 |
: How huge is this strikezone tonight
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| 9:51 |
: It’s only occasionally huge. Was small early.
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| 9:52 |
: Surprised Reddick didn’t try and take the extra base there
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| 9:52 |
: bunt here?
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| 9:52 |
: No.
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| 9:52 |
: Never Bunt. Hit Dingers.
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| 9:53 |
: shoulda bunted
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| 9:53 |
: With Grandal hitting like this, bunt 100 times out of 100
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| 9:54 |
: Recency bias.
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| 9:54 |
: MLB doing a solid job displaying those hoodies. Everyone looks comfortable af.
|
| 9:54 |
: They are well worth the money.
|
| 9:54 |
: bunting here would actually be worse than normal given Scherzer’s likelihood of striking out the next hitter.
|
| 9:55 |
: Definitely good not to save Ethier.
|
| 9:55 |
: Max Scherzer is like, really good
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| 9:56 |
: just sitting here watching my “sometimes you should bunt” stance be vindicated
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| 9:56 |
: Scherzer is pitching low he’s not expecting his team to score any more runs
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| 9:57 |
: “You gotta like this move” – Harold Reynolds — are there any managers that don’t make this move?
|
| 9:57 |
: Nope.
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| 9:57 |
: unless there’s something wrong with the data, statcast is saying the expected batting average on lobaton’s at bat last inning was 1.000.
|
| 9:57 |
: Seems like a data error.
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| 9:58 |
: Big pitch time
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| 9:58 |
: Why is Toronto’s crowd so much more exciting than everyone else?
|
| 9:58 |
: Because of that 7th inning last year. Also large dome stadium and a fan-base that doesn’t have playoff fatigue yet.
|
| 9:59 |
: im rooting for scherzer just because i really like seeing him
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| 9:59 |
: That sound you hear is my brother, the Dodger fan, cursing.
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| 10:00 |
: Scherzer is good.
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| 10:01 |
: *sad trombone*
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| 10:01 |
: 86 pitches now. How deep can Scherzer go in this one?
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| 10:01 |
: it’s listing the launch angle as 42 and exit velo as 106.6 which was 3 for 3 with 3 homers this year.
|
| 10:01 |
: He’s probably got one inning left, max.
|
| 10:01 |
: Scherzer leads off the 6th. Do you let him?
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| 10:01 |
: Me? No.
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| 10:02 |
: Logically you ought to PH Scherzer here if you think he’s only got one inning left
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| 10:02 |
: Bet Dusty lets him hit though.
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| 10:03 |
: Because he’s coming back out? Or because he can hit?
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| 10:03 |
: Won’t see gap in hitting as worth taking him out.
|
| 10:03 |
: Urias in
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| 10:03 |
: Well, yeah, they just pinch hit for Blanton.
|
| 10:04 |
: Sweet Jesus talk about missed opportunities for the dodgers this series
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| 10:04 |
: Cameron plan: Hill-Blanton -Urias, so RH rel next?
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| 10:04 |
: Don’t think he’ll bring in Jansen any time soon, so probably not.
|
| 10:04 |
: if there is a decent chance that you take the pitcher out the next inning and the pitcher’s spot comes up, Mike Matheny lets him bat.
|
| 10:05 |
: Urias vs. Turner. The future is now.
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| 10:06 |
: Urias or Giollito?
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| 10:06 |
: Urias
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| 10:06 |
: What kind of ceiling do you give Urias?
|
| 10:06 |
: #1
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| 10:07 |
: Let’s remember letting Scherzer hit this inning, as Dusty makes questionable decisions at best
|
| 10:07 |
: Uh oh….
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| 10:07 |
: Oh man…never want to see someone hurt in the playoffs
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| 10:07 |
: Wouldn’t be a Dodgers’ pitcher without an injury
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| 10:08 |
: wow, haven’t seen a pitcher get hurt so early in an appearance since the first inning
|
| 10:08 |
: He didn’t roll it that bad
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| 10:08 |
: Oooo 96. You don’t see that from Urias often.
|
| 10:09 |
: This is about as fun a matchup as you can hope for.
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| 10:09 |
: What kind of war should we expect from Harper next year?
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| 10:09 |
: civil
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| 10:10 |
: Turner with the most awkward seat entrance ever.
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| 10:12 |
: BOB RYAN TWEET ALERT Bob Ryan ?@GlobeBobRyan
And anyone citing the totally bogus nonsense known as WAR is eliminated from any serious baseball discussion. |
| 10:12 |
: Sucks for all the MLB GMs who cite it, then.
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| 10:13 |
: Rob Arthur’s article at FiveThirtyEight seemed to make it look like 2015, not 2016, was the offensive outlier for Harper. Is that fair to say?
|
| 10:13 |
: probably good for those GM’s as they don’t have to talk to bob ryan
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| 10:14 |
: WAR is about a fantastic measure of production. What is the biggest issue people have with it?
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| 10:14 |
: It goes against their preconceived notions of value.
|
| 10:14 |
: Harper’s 2015 season was one of the greatest offensive seasons of all time. In that way it is an outlier, but his projections still put him halfway between this year and last.
|
| 10:14 |
: NASTY MOVE
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| 10:14 |
: BALK
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| 10:14 |
: Man that move is nasty
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| 10:14 |
: And they don’t understand how it works.
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| 10:14 |
: That’s a balk.
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| 10:14 |
: That sure does seem like a balk
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| 10:14 |
: that looks like a balk to me
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| 10:15 |
: Thats Petitte level nasty.
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| 10:15 |
: Ah, the Andy Pettitte
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| 10:15 |
: Nasty move… Dave, in your interpretation, balk?
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| 10:15 |
: I don’t know.
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| 10:15 |
: It’s close.
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| 10:17 |
: Dave, your personality always has reminded me of my father’s. But you just admitted you didn’t know something. Refreshing.
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| 10:18 |
: Without knowing your dad, I don’t know whether thats an insult or compliment.
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| 10:18 |
: The only thing more entertaining than the “balk confidence” question is the candor that most people have in answering it.
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| 10:19 |
: My dad is an unwavering, consummate professional who is always well prepared.
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| 10:19 |
: Neat.
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| 10:19 |
: Seeing it in super slow mo….thats a balk
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| 10:19 |
: Harold is bad at analyzing games for the most part but that was a good breakdown especially for the casual fan that wouldn’t know the rule.
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| 10:20 |
: One of the most important things in implementing analytics in any line of work is having people understand how it works, what goes into it, and what it says. WAR has the most inputs and adjustments. With baseball, you also have a lot of people who don’t like the idea of reducing a player to a number. But usually, it’s the former. WAR is just a starting point for analysis, because it won’t tell you why the player is good or bad.
Also most metrics and models don’t take into account EVERYTHING that can affect value, and that bothers some people. |
| 10:20 |
: If Tom Verducci says “drifter” one more time… I’m not going to do much, but it’ll annoy me.
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| 10:20 |
: If he says it one more time, Hunter Pence is summoned.
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| 10:20 |
: 98 on pitch 94
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| 10:21 |
: Scherzer has always seemed to have that Verlander thing where he can be his own reliever for an inning. maybe I’m just talking myself into this. but 98 on the K!
|
| 10:21 |
: Would the ratings for games like this be appreciably better if, say, Vin Scully were calling it?
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| 10:21 |
: WAR is fine but is very flawed still. Also a kind of boring stat..doesn’t tell us anything about what KIND of player someone is, just their overall production. But still, Bob Ryan should retire..
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| 10:21 |
: The words “flawed stat” are like nails on a chalkboard to me.
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| 10:21 |
: No, but it would be more enjoyable.
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| 10:22 |
: Are we ever gonna get a Fangraphs Audio Live during a game?
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| 10:22 |
: MLB would yell at us if we provided play by play of a live broadcast.
|
| 10:22 |
: The strike zone is growing again
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| 10:23 |
: scherzer has to be done now?
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| 10:23 |
: I wouldn’t count on that.
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| 10:24 |
: Play by play does not seem particularly well suited for Carson’s conversational style.
|
| 10:24 |
: Or amount of baseball he watches.
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| 10:24 |
: He’s at 98 pitches. Seems really doubtful he gets pulled now.
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| 10:25 |
: I would bet my gentalia on Scherzer staying in.
|
| 10:25 |
: That seems unwise and needlessly risky.
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| 10:26 |
: The ratings for this game would be better if it wasn’t on FS1
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| 10:26 |
: Lol yeah just keep Carson out of the booth. Cistulli: “Would it be fair to say that pitcher, um…that pitcher just bestowed a strike upon the hitter? And in doing so, is it fair to say, in the vernacular of the game, that the pitcher is, ahead?”
|
| 10:26 |
: Considering the pitching matchup and the fact that the Nats were favored to win this game from the start, do you think if the Dodgers were told yesterday they’d finish the 6th only down by 1 that they’d take it?
|
| 10:26 |
: Yes
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| 10:27 |
: FS1 is in almost as many homes as ESPN. They would be better on FOX, but I think they will be happy with the numbers.
|
| 10:29 |
: Sean … “flawed” stat bothers you bc stats are only as flawed as the understanding of what they’re measuring and how they measure it?
|
| 10:29 |
: Not Sean, but all stats are flawed in that they all need context. We would probably all be better off focusing on what a stat does and not what it doesn’t do.
|
| 10:29 |
: It’s so weird that Daniel Murphy just flipped the switch in the second half of last season and is legit one of the best hitters in MLB now.
|
| 10:29 |
: It’s more the interpretation is flawed, not the stat itself. Plus any stat or metric is a tool to help you understand the game or make a decision if you are a team, player or have a fantasy team. WAR certainly isn’t perfect, but it helps you frame the overall value of the player, which I think is important to understand the game.
|
| 10:30 |
: So is Murphy the single best multi-year FA deal of the off-season?
|
| 10:30 |
: Yep
|
| 10:30 |
: More luck there
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| 10:30 |
: Reddick almost messed up big time
|
| 10:30 |
: Jeez, Josh Reddick
|
| 10:30 |
: Jesus Reddick
|
| 10:31 |
: if Puig had done that…
|
| 10:31 |
: Yup.
|
| 10:33 |
: Lol
|
| 10:33 |
: lmao that send
|
| 10:33 |
: what..
|
| 10:33 |
: Solid baserunning.
|
| 10:33 |
: that was the single worst third-base call I have ever seen
|
| 10:33 |
: why??????
|
| 10:33 |
: what was that
|
| 10:34 |
: What????
|
| 10:34 |
: Wtf!?
|
| 10:34 |
: Damnit Werth… You’re so slow… 🙁
|
| 10:34 |
: Awful send…
|
| 10:34 |
: that was atrocious running
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| 10:34 |
: hahahaha tootblan
|
| 10:34 |
: Lmfao
|
| 10:34 |
: That wasn’t Werth it
|
| 10:34 |
: is that the worst attempt to score you’ve ever seen?
|
| 10:34 |
: Can you be fired mid game?
|
| 10:35 |
: Does anyone really think the 3B coach was like, “Hey 37 year old Jayson Werth, go for it.”
|
| 10:35 |
: werth’s face… looked like he took a wrong turn when playing hookey and ran into his mum
|
| 10:35 |
: I meant he had about a 35% chance to be safe and the following batter wouldn’t have that much of a chance to score the Run
|
| 10:35 |
: But Sean, there is more to understanding the game than just ‘value’. That’s why initially stating a player’s WAR is fine but is not nearly enough. Fans want to know who a player ‘is’, not just a number. Saying Adam Dunn and Ichiro have the same WAR is meaningless.
|
| 10:35 |
: A 35% chance? Haha
|
| 10:36 |
: There are plenty of newspapers, sports outlets and blogs out there if you want the narrative side.
|
| 10:36 |
: I’d buy that Werth had a 35% chance of curing cancer before I’d buy that he had a 35% chance of scoring on that.
|
| 10:36 |
: And there you go, Scherzer in too long…
|
| 10:37 |
: JOC
|
| 10:37 |
: OPPO TACO
|
| 10:37 |
: BAT FLIP
|
| 10:37 |
: OH MY
|
| 10:37 |
: BOOM
|
| 10:37 |
: THAT BAT THROW
|
| 10:37 |
: Wow!
|
| 10:37 |
: At least asabin gets to keep his genitalia.
|
| 10:37 |
: alright scherzers done
|
| 10:37 |
: JFC Dusty…
|
| 10:37 |
: Well that escalated quickly
|
| 10:38 |
: Man what was the xBABIP of that shot? Dang
|
| 10:38 |
: Good thing I hate sleep.
|
| 10:38 |
: Did Joc just do the Sam Cassell cojones dance?
|
| 10:38 |
: .685 xBA on the Murphy liner
|
| 10:38 |
: So, did the Nats’ coaching decisions (send Werth, leave Max in) just cost them two runs?
|
| 10:39 |
: No, expected RA in that inning is not zero if you pull Scherzer.
|
| 10:39 |
: Werth just reached home plate
|
| 10:40 |
: (•_•)
<) )?PLAYOFF / \ \(•_•) (•_•) |
| 10:40 |
: scrabble out to pitch
|
| 10:41 |
: i’m actually slightly surprised Scherzer is pulled. Wonder if that would happen 5 years ago.
|
| 10:41 |
: The common wisdom is shifting.
|
| 10:42 |
: I’ll never see Marc Rzepczynski (yes I googled it to spell it right) without thinking of Max Schrock, thanks Carson.
|
| 10:42 |
: Wow, 3B coach was waving Werth home when the ball was just about to the infield :-0
|
| 10:43 |
: I meant he had a .35% chance
|
| 10:44 |
: since MLB has these games on like 18 different channels anyway, wouldn’t it be great if they did the college football thing where you can choose to watch with your home team announcers?
|
| 10:44 |
: Few years ago, we might’ve seen a crazy collison at the plate. How times have changed.
|
| 10:44 |
: This spray chart though: https://mobile.twitter.com/dschoenfield/status/786758397811105793/photo/1
|
| 10:44 |
: you can always turn on the radio.
|
| 10:44 |
: Carsons general disdain for baseball combined with his uncanny ability to pick breakout candidates is quite a skillset
|
| 10:45 |
: Skip Bayless is the most detestable “journalist” in all of sports.
|
| 10:45 |
: He’s not a journalist.
|
| 10:46 |
: Now you should bunt
|
| 10:46 |
: I’m generally anti-bunt, but it’s justified here.
|
| 10:47 |
: “Waste” Puig with 2 men on and nobody out.
|
| 10:47 |
: Well not a waste of he swings away.
|
| 10:47 |
: Why is this an okay bunt situation?
|
| 10:48 |
: Marginal value of getting two guys into scoring position with just one out is very high.
|
| 10:48 |
: 98 sinker
|
| 10:48 |
: how you gonna bunt on that
|
| 10:49 |
: Now, you shouldn’t bunt
|
| 10:49 |
: now that was dumb
|
| 10:49 |
: If Puig had done that …
|
| 10:49 |
: Should’ve hit a dinger.
|
| 10:49 |
: That’s just awful.
|
| 10:49 |
: Well that was stupid.
|
| 10:49 |
: teams are just trading mistakes now
|
| 10:49 |
: Never bunt. Hit dingers
|
| 10:50 |
: Zimmerman out of the game on a double switch… … ……
|
| 10:50 |
: why take him out
|
| 10:50 |
: Utley is LH, but Treinen is good.
|
| 10:51 |
: Run expectancy goes from 1.437 down to 1.376 after a successful bunt, but the chance of scoring goes from 61% to 67.6%.
|
| 10:52 |
: Grilled cheese stuffed crust pizza sounds disgusting
|
| 10:52 |
: if you try to bunt and fail, though…
|
| 10:52 |
: Pizza Hut is running out of ideas.
|
| 10:52 |
: Yes, but also have to account for fielding errors.
|
| 10:52 |
: so, lefty-on-lefty matchup worth taking out a great GB pitcher in a DP situation?
|
| 10:52 |
: Next two guys are LHBs, so probably.
|
| 10:53 |
: PH for Utley?????
|
| 10:53 |
: Ruiz, apparently
|
| 10:53 |
: But going from a good hitter to a catcher isn’t so bad for WAS
|
| 10:54 |
: Somewhere, far, far away from the playoffs, (FAR away, like REAL far), Tony La Russa is smiling at all these pitching changes
|
| 10:54 |
: a smirk, maybe.
|
| 10:54 |
: dodgers have used 3 catchers this inning
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| 10:54 |
: I get that it’s game 5, but it feels awfully early to only have one position player left.
|
| 10:56 |
: I’m assuming Barnes is 2nd?
|
| 10:56 |
: Or Kendrick to 2B and Ruiz catching
|
| 10:56 |
: CHOOOOOOOCH!!!!!
|
| 10:56 |
: I Chooch Chooch choose you!
|
| 10:56 |
: Kershaw is not crying about Ellis now.
|
| 10:56 |
: it feels like Rendon’s made that same play about 50 times this year in 55 tries
|
| 10:56 |
: Ruiz makes up for all the AJ Ellis good-guyness.
|
| 10:56 |
: Six inches to the left and it’s a DP. But there’s no luck in baseball you know.
|
| 10:57 |
: Got to be jansen time now
|
| 10:57 |
: 3 innings from Jansen is too much
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| 10:58 |
: If Roberts brings in Jansen, we are in another demetion
|
| 10:58 |
: He won’t. We’ll see Dayton next inning, I bet.
|
| 10:58 |
: What are the chances of a successful bunt?
|
| 10:58 |
: 65%, I believe.
|
| 10:59 |
: They just announced the last train going North (where everyone goes) at the stadium, brb I’m going to make $5,000 driving Ubers
|
| 10:59 |
: The stratomatic baseball function has a successful bunt ranging from 55% to 85% depending on skill
|
| 11:00 |
: One more from Urias, Dayton the. Jansen
|
| 11:00 |
: They pinch hit for Urias
|
| 11:00 |
: I hope someone takes a screenshot of the Uber surge multiplier
|
| 11:01 |
: Dusty’s toothpick has gotta be the best managerial accessory, right?
|
| 11:01 |
: Using a half dozen relievers in an inning the new market inefficiency?
|
| 11:01 |
: Turner looks like an extra from a Peter Jackson movie
|
| 11:01 |
: Turner is awful against LH, why not leave him in?
|
| 11:02 |
: No reason to think that reverse platoon split is real.
|
| 11:03 |
: transit systems have very high fixed costs but very low operating costs. any transit agency that shuts down a system an hour before 50,000 people are about to use it to leave a ballgame is incompetent.
|
| 11:03 |
: Well, I’m guessing the workers are unionized, so it might not be so easy to make them work.
|
| 11:04 |
: He has over 600 PA this season, is that really too small a sample size for the reverse splits?
|
| 11:04 |
: DC’s Metro is in the middle of a horrendous maintenance overhaul, and closes early every night. No exceptions.
|
| 11:05 |
: JT
|
| 11:05 |
: there goes the game
|
| 11:05 |
: THE RED DREAM
|
| 11:05 |
: Welp.
|
| 11:05 |
: Huge!
|
| 11:05 |
: YES
|
| 11:05 |
: All this while Melancon rots in the pen.
|
| 11:05 |
: Kelley is just as good as Melancon.
|
| 11:06 |
: I think it’s closer to 1,000 from that side before you get some confidence. A lot of things happened while I was typing this.
|
| 11:06 |
: As a dodgers fan GOD YES. But we still have to get through the seventh inning
|
| 11:06 |
: kelley is hurt
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| 11:07 |
: Pitcher’s arms are a sad story. 🙁
|
| 11:07 |
: Aw man
|
| 11:07 |
: Man, seeing a pitcher exit after that is a terrible sight.
|
| 11:08 |
: At least Turner is a better hitter than Pete Kozma.
|
| 11:08 |
: dusty rushed the warmup on a double tommy john guy.
|
| 11:08 |
: Can’t possibly know if they are related.
|
| 11:09 |
: What else can we blame on Dusty Baker?
|
| 11:09 |
: The metro, probably
|
| 11:09 |
: Turner had a reverse split back when he was with the Mets. it’s a pretty significant split over his whole career (774 PA vs. LHP).
|
| 11:09 |
: Not a large enough sample.
|
| 11:09 |
: Seriously, there’s basically no RH hitter in baseball history with a sustained reverse platoon split.
|
| 11:10 |
: If the best predictor of future injury is past injury, how can we say that it’s not related?
|
| 11:10 |
: You have no idea how warm Kelley was
|
| 11:11 |
: Would still take Dusty Baker over Matt Williams.
|
| 11:11 |
: Of course.
|
| 11:11 |
: The Nationals like Dusty. They hated Williams.
|
| 11:11 |
: Piling on Dusty for this is simply narrative over facts. Ruiz’s ball was a few inches from being a double play.
|
| 11:12 |
: Craig, what is the Pete Kozma comment for?
|
| 11:14 |
: How long was that top of the 7th?
|
| 11:14 |
: 33 minutes, I believe.
|
| 11:15 |
: Why do they need to televise god bless america? Seriously, what is the point?
|
| 11:15 |
: It doesn’t count for the commercial break time.
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| 11:15 |
: What do you think about enforcing a 2 batters faced minimum for pitchers?
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| 11:15 |
: Unenforceable
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| 11:15 |
: Can’t tell a potentially injured pitcher he has to keep working
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| 11:15 |
: And teams could just have a guy say his arm hurts to do one batter exchanges
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| 11:16 |
: MLBPA wouldn’t go for it either.
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| 11:17 |
: How many outs would you want Kenley to get? Last 5?
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| 11:17 |
: 6
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| 11:17 |
: Adam Jones has a 95 wRC+ vs L and 112 vs R with 1500+ PA vs LHP. He doesn’t have a reverse split every year, but certainly more years than not. That enough to trust?
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| 11:18 |
: You called it Dave, Dayton
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| 11:18 |
: He’s their best non-Jansen reliever.
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| 11:18 |
: 1/6 of his PA against lefties are against Sabathia, Price and Lester.
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| 11:18 |
: Blanton?
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| 11:18 |
: Dayton is better
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| 11:19 |
: Dave, that’s a fallacy that a 2-batter rule would be abused. Social science research in general suggests that cultural values/norms are more important in enforcing rules of that nature. If it were accepted and agreed upon and appropriate processes were put around it, it would work.
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| 11:19 |
: Yeah, the don’t-flip-your-bat cultural norm in baseball is really effective.
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| 11:20 |
: Jansen is warming!
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| 11:20 |
: “the next pitcher who comes in to replace an ‘injured’ guy gets no warm up pitches from the mound” would be enough of a penalty to discourage teams from doing it, no?
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| 11:20 |
: Players aren’t going to go for anything that could endanger player health. Not letting a guy warm up on the mound could.
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| 11:21 |
: GONE
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| 11:21 |
: GONE
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| 11:21 |
: HONKBAL
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| 11:21 |
: Oh boy
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| 11:21 |
: Showtime!
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| 11:21 |
: 7th inning curse still around even without Kershaw it seems
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| 11:21 |
: Higher please
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| 11:21 |
: That was murdered
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| 11:21 |
: Heisey with the dong, as I’m sure we all expected
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| 11:21 |
: the active leader in pinch hit homers
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| 11:21 |
: Jansen might be coming in earlier…
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| 11:22 |
: What is Harold babbling about
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| 11:22 |
: Harold,,WTF?
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| 11:24 |
: On the two batter minimum for a reliever. If there’s an injury require a DL stint (or maybe have a modified 5 or 10 day DL where the pitcher has to sit out a certain # of games)?
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| 11:24 |
: Then you’ll just have pitchers who don’t want to go on the DL pitching through something they would otherwise come out for.
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| 11:24 |
: You can like the idea all you want, but there are too many bad incentives related to player health for it to ever work.
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| 11:24 |
: Nats: Lopez, Melancon, possibly Roark
Dodgers: Jansen, Baez, Fields, Avilan, Stripling |
| 11:25 |
: Roark is available per pregame comments
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| 11:25 |
: Jansen in the 7th!
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| 11:26 |
: What was all that 2% talk?
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| 11:27 |
: Does LA fool us and bring in Kershaw to close out the 9th maybe?
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| 11:27 |
: No. Not after throwing 110 on three days rest.
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| 11:27 |
: Great Series or Greatest Series?
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| 11:27 |
: Pretty fun!
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| 11:28 |
: Yeah I’m starting to like this whole baseball thing
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| 11:28 |
: Seriously. Who pitches the 9th for LA tonight ?
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| 11:28 |
: Baez, probably
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| 11:28 |
: If Jansen runs out of gas
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| 11:29 |
: 9 out save! When was the last time that happened in a non-blowout?
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| 11:29 |
: Feel like maybe Rivera did it in October once?
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| 11:29 |
: i doubt he goes all 9
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| 11:29 |
: I would bet it depends on pitch count. They won’t run him up past 40-45 pitches.
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| 11:29 |
: dave i read your dodgers lefty problem this morning and i wanted to come in and say you nailed this dodgers pitching plan
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| 11:30 |
: Jansen looks like he’s got electric stuff
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| 11:30 |
: Rivera pitched 3 against the Sox in game 7, 2013 (Aaron Boone). But it wasn’t a save.
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| 11:30 |
: *2003
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| 11:30 |
: joe ross. pinch running.
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| 11:30 |
: Ross the pinch runner..?
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| 11:31 |
: Harold says if Joe Ross can steal a base I would send him oh oh oh Harold
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| 11:31 |
: Bumgarner in 2014 WS G 7. Five innings.
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| 11:31 |
: Rivera playoff game log. 4 2.1+ inning outings, none a save. looots of 6-out appearances and saves http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=riverma01&t=p&year=0&post=1
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| 11:31 |
: Smoltz pitched 3 innings as a closer in 2004 NLDS G2
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| 11:32 |
: That’s actually real nice for Ross to be able to get from 1st to 3rd.
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| 11:32 |
: Great piece of hitting there
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| 11:32 |
: Nice swing….
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| 11:33 |
: Harper may steal 2nd – Dodgers prob won’t throw
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| 11:33 |
: he’s sitting 96
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| 11:33 |
: 96 ?? ??
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| 11:34 |
: Last non-blowout save by a closer to go 3 innings was Todd Worrell, game 3 of 87 NLCS against Giants, per BRef.
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| 11:34 |
: no matter what happens, still can’t believe roberts brought jansen in this early. glad to see it.
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| 11:35 |
: He’s not gonna go all 3 innings guys
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| 11:35 |
: I’ve watched a lot of Dodger games this year, and I don’t think I’ve seen the cutter move that much.
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| 11:35 |
: Got away with one there!
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| 11:35 |
: Jansen doesn’t have it tonight
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| 11:36 |
: Oof. Middle middle
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| 11:36 |
: And another one… Yikes…
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| 11:36 |
: not hitting his spots
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| 11:36 |
: called for that one up, ended right over the plate
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| 11:37 |
: harper already rounding 3rd on the foul ball
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| 11:38 |
: no shot werth catches up right now
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| 11:38 |
: told ya
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| 11:38 |
: huge pitch
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| 11:38 |
: Best pitch he’s thrown so far
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| 11:38 |
: HUGE K
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| 11:39 |
: Would Dave Cameron walk Murphy here?
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| 11:39 |
: Yes
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| 11:39 |
: Harold Reynolds made a…good point? This game HAS been full of surprises.
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| 11:40 |
: 2nd & 3rd, 2 outs with platoon disadvantage is about the only time to IBB a batter, right?
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| 11:40 |
: Well, excluding when a P is due up
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| 11:40 |
: if i told you two years ago that daniel murphy would be IBB’d for Anthony Rendon, you would have laughed.
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| 11:41 |
: LI index on Werth PA was 4.14.
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| 11:41 |
: 4.52 LI
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| 11:41 |
: Dave, are you pulling for either team? Who would you rather play the Cubs?
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| 11:42 |
: I’m not rooting. Like both teams.
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| 11:42 |
: Kenley Jansen without his command…
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| 11:43 |
: 97 ????
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| 11:43 |
: is still good enough
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| 11:43 |
: The movement on that last pitch….
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| 11:43 |
: YAY
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| 11:43 |
: Wow
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| 11:43 |
: WOW
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| 11:43 |
: awesome pitch
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| 11:43 |
: Wow
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| 11:43 |
: 1 hour 7th inning.
|
| 11:43 |
: Oh man
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| 11:43 |
: Jansen does the job..
|
| 11:43 |
: Whew
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| 11:43 |
: 1 hour 6 minute 7th inning
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| 11:43 |
: Wow. Werth just needed to make some frigging contact
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| 11:43 |
: Jansen is good.
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| 11:43 |
: 6.24 LI on the Rendon PA!!!
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| 11:44 |
: This inning made me give up any hope of sleeping tonight
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| 11:44 |
: I realize it’s an elimination game, but what’s Jansen’s pitch limit tonight?
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| 11:44 |
: Can’t see him getting through next two now. Bet he works 8th, then Baez
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| 11:44 |
: In the DC area we keep getting this T Mobile commercial with Harper talking about hitting a walkoff bomb…and it just makes me laugh every time.
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| 11:45 |
: Smoltz in 2004 NLDS g2, pitched innings 8,9,10, 46 pitches
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| 11:45 |
: Never understand the thinking of “its ok to walk a batter with a base open but not ok when the base isn’t open” when the end result is the same. do the numbers bear out that in general 1st + 3rd and facing the hitter is preferable to bases loaded with a worse hitter?
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| 11:46 |
: There’s a bigger penalty to the IBB when you advance the runner
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| 11:46 |
: If he’s already advanced, less of a hit
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| 11:46 |
: Jansen’s due up 3rd though.
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| 11:46 |
: Hmm, interesting
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| 11:47 |
: Jansen had a hit once. 2010.
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| 11:47 |
: Why use Ross to pinch run when you were gonna bring in Taylor defensively? Why not pinch run with Taylor?
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| 11:48 |
: Why no Puig there against Oliver?
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| 11:48 |
: Last position player on bench, need him to PH for pitcher later.
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| 11:48 |
: Taylor is fast but has horrible no good very bad instincts on the bases
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| 11:48 |
: Dusty not trust Taylor.
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| 11:49 |
: Jansen was a .229/.310/.337 hitter in the minors in 953 PA.
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| 11:49 |
: Rendon has left 22 guys on base this series. DS record
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| 11:50 |
: That’s a brutal walk.
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| 11:50 |
: With P coming up
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| 11:50 |
: is that good enough that bunting is wrong?
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| 11:50 |
: no
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| 11:50 |
: You definitely bunt here
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| 11:51 |
: Great job Kenley. Not pretty but got the job done (unlike Culberson).
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| 11:51 |
: Kenley “Better at bunting than Charlie Culberson” Jansen
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| 11:51 |
: Had him at second
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| 11:53 |
: Nearing 4 hours. Over / under 5 if ends in regulation?
|
| 11:53 |
: Probably close to 5
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| 11:53 |
: who will pitch for dodgers in the 9th? josh fields? kershaw?
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| 11:53 |
: Baez
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| 11:54 |
: Maybe I’m alone, but this game hasn’t felt like four hours
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| 11:54 |
: I just peed for the first time since the game started so I disagree.
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| 11:55 |
: Melancon in the 8th down a run. Even Dusty getting into it.
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| 11:55 |
: I HATE bringing in a new pitcher and having him IBB the first guy. Let the guy on the way out do it, don’t let Melancon do something screwy and lose the strike zone.
|
| 11:55 |
: Eh, when has that ever happened?
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| 11:56 |
: He’s kinda out of other options
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| 11:56 |
: 39 players used now. Playoff record is?
|
| 11:56 |
: This has to be getting close
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| 11:56 |
: What happens when this goes to extras?
|
| 11:57 |
: Puig pitches, Nationals play with 7 position players
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| 11:57 |
: Kind of a devil may care toss from Melancon. Exciting.
|
| 11:57 |
: #puigyourcloser
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| 11:57 |
: #WhyNot
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| 11:58 |
: The Nationals still have Tanner Roark on full rest
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| 11:58 |
: three not very scary hitters due up for the Nationals, in what will probably be Jansen’s last inning of work. this feels like it would be a neat spot for the ol’ “stash him in LF for an inning” trick so he could face the top of the order again in the 9th
|
| 11:58 |
: I’m on short rest
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| 11:59 |
: full rest in 2 minutes
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| 11:59 |
: LA has Stripling
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| 11:59 |
: California ballot initiative commercials on a national broadcast?
|
| 11:59 |
: The state is that pretentious.
|
| 12:00 |
: Come on. LA and SF don’t represent all of CA.
|
| 12:00 |
: I live in CA, can confirm.
|
| 12:01 |
: Britton “game-used” jersey from WC game up for auction on MLB site: https://twitter.com/connor_guercio/status/786742463226646529
|
| 12:01 |
: I hear Goose Gossage had to walk to the ballpark every day, uphill both ways…
|
| 12:01 |
: jp howell shaking in the bullpen
|
| 12:01 |
: Is he having a seizure?
|
| 12:02 |
: “Stephen Drew can turn on any pitch on anybody” -Harold Reynolds
|
| 12:02 |
: Stephen Drew had a good season? how did I miss this?
|
| 12:02 |
: Doesn’t CA have a TON of ballot initiatives?
|
| 12:03 |
: Not many PA for Drew
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| 12:03 |
: Is Cutter City in CA?
|
| 12:03 |
: “Only” over 100 initiatives
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| 12:04 |
: Don’t walk Stephen Drew, ugh.
|
| 12:04 |
: How do you walk stephen drew?
|
| 12:04 |
: Espinosa sometimes goes for the bunt-for-hit-but-take-the-sac approach in this spot.
|
| 12:05 |
: Wow good call!
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| 12:05 |
: Drew hasn’t stolen a base since 2014, which might have been when this game started.
|
| 12:05 |
: i’m not a californian, but i’d instinctively vote against any ballot initiative i saw a lot of television ads for.
|
| 12:05 |
: #weirdbaseball
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| 12:05 |
: There’s no limit on spending for ballot initiatives…the new market inefficiency.
|
| 12:05 |
: Chance that kershaw pitches now?
|
| 12:06 |
: what the what.
|
| 12:06 |
: rare bad bunting from him though
|
| 12:06 |
: Lol
|
| 12:06 |
: Oh the humanity!
|
| 12:06 |
: That was a poopy bunt
|
| 12:06 |
: Well he did throw a clear strike to Drew on pitch #5, so kinda lame he “earned” a walk
|
| 12:06 |
: …
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| 12:06 |
: Is Rich Hill available? He’d be pitching on 6 innings rest.
|
| 12:06 |
: middle infielder bunting clinic going on tonight
|
| 12:06 |
: adrian almost took kenleys arm off
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| 12:07 |
: Oh, Reynolds thinks a stolen base would be a good idea? No way.
|
| 12:07 |
: sliderrrrr
|
| 12:07 |
: 82 MPH , nice
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| 12:07 |
: i love it, kenley! mix it up
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| 12:08 |
: Why throw over if you’re gonna just lob it
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| 12:09 |
: the throw over lob worked. Drew didn’t try to steal.
|
| 12:09 |
: clayton kershaw is missing alert
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| 12:09 |
: clayton kershaw is in the bullpen alert
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| 12:10 |
: Just to clarify, this chat is just gonna roll into the ALCS game 1 chat at the end as that game is due to start any second now.
|
| 12:10 |
: Have fun Craig! I’m going to bed the minute this thing ends.
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| 12:10 |
: Dave, it’s like 915 out there!?!
|
| 12:11 |
: I’m sick.
|
| 12:11 |
: I’d have gone to bed hours ago if this game wasn’t on.
|
| 12:11 |
: Jesus Taylor. Calm down that swing.
|
| 12:11 |
: kershaw took off his hoodie
|
| 12:11 |
: he’s wearing his pitcher warm up jacket
|
| 12:11 |
: As a Nats fan, the LAST thing I want is Taylor to lead off the 9th…
|
| 12:12 |
: Nobody will be used to those LI around 1 for the first six innings tomorrow.
|
| 12:12 |
: …isn’t getting caught stealing “giving away an out”?
|
| 12:12 |
: chooch is concussed – puig behind the dish
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| 12:13 |
: all i want to see is clayton kershaw closing out this game to emergency catcher easel puig
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| 12:13 |
: I’m not taking Kenley out, he’s still ??
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| 12:13 |
: holy crap. andy mccullough reporting kershaw is on the way to the pen
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| 12:14 |
: Dave, who do you go with in the 9th inning as the Dodgers? Jansen? Baez? Howell? Kershaw?
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| 12:15 |
: Jansen at 37
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| 12:15 |
: I’d probably let him start the inning, with Baez/Avilan warming behind him
|
| 12:15 |
: (Assuming Kershaw isn’t actually available0
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| 12:15 |
: If Jansen puts anyone on, or gets up near 50, I’m pulling him
|
| 12:15 |
: But if kershaw is available?
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| 12:16 |
: Well, then, we see how well the best pitcher in baseball can do on 1 day rest
|
| 12:16 |
: Apparently Kershaw is warming up
|
| 12:16 |
: So there you go
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| 12:16 |
: Isn’t putting Kershaw in dangerous? Potential for disaster.
|
| 12:16 |
: All of it is dangerous.
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| 12:17 |
: Could be a one out situation.
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| 12:17 |
: Be pretty cool if he closed it out though.
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| 12:17 |
: Let Jansen get Turner, Kershaw vs Harper, Baez vs Werth
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| 12:17 |
: Although the thought of Roberts replacing Kershaw with Baez again is hilarious and won’t happen
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| 12:18 |
: As a Cubs fan how pleased should I be abt kershaws potential appearance tonight
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| 12:18 |
: Surprised Kershaw is in. Bumgarner-like situation possible but this is only the LDS. Doesn’t seem worth the risk, is it?
|
| 12:18 |
: I would bet Kershaw asked for this
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| 12:18 |
: don’t think it matters for potential next series
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| 12:18 |
: I’m legitimately giddy about the possibility of Closer Kershaw. Baseball is cool
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| 12:18 |
: It is worth the risk. Win or go home…
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| 12:18 |
: Just because you asked doesn’t mean the answer is yes
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| 12:19 |
: I’m scared, but also curious
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| 12:19 |
: When you’re the best pitcher in my baseball it’s difficult to say no.
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| 12:19 |
: Give me a 80-90% Kershaw over any of the other nonsense in the Dodger bullpen
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| 12:19 |
: he’s probably like 50%
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| 12:19 |
: Pedro asked for it too…
|
| 12:19 |
: Jansen starting the inning
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| 12:20 |
: Probably just for Turner
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| 12:20 |
: Kershaw can’t possibly be warm yet
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| 12:20 |
: Letting Jansen go back out also buys kershaw more time
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| 12:21 |
: This is going to be awesome, whatever happens.
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| 12:21 |
: Big thank you to Heisey for making this all possible. Though I am rooting for LA…
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| 12:22 |
: I don’t care how it ends, I just want extra innings
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| 12:22 |
: No
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| 12:22 |
: i want sleep
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| 12:22 |
: He doesn’t have to come in, guys.
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| 12:22 |
: I need sleep, I can’t afford extras
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| 12:22 |
: Why is nobody else warming??
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| 12:22 |
: NO EXTRA INNINGS I HAVE AN EXAM TO STUDY FOR
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| 12:22 |
: Leadoff walk would be great…. Turner on the base paths right now? Ultimate chaos
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| 12:23 |
: Apparently Randy Johnson pitched game 3 of the ’95 ALDS (117 pitches) and then 3 innings of relief 2 days later
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| 12:23 |
: Jansen hasn’t gotten those borderline calls at the bottom of the zone.
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| 12:23 |
: best dive ever
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| 12:23 |
: That is hustle
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| 12:23 |
: Nice try Charlie
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| 12:23 |
: Kershaw did have the second (or tied for) most pick-offs this year.
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| 12:24 |
: did turner kick the ball?
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| 12:24 |
: Jansen staying in
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| 12:24 |
: Umm…Dave?
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| 12:24 |
: I’m so glad they’re not bringing Kershaw in, just so Harold’s mind explodes.
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| 12:24 |
: Looks like it’s Jansen’s inning unless he screws up
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| 12:25 |
: If anyone gets on, Murphy up. You’ll see Kershaw for Murphy, I’d bet.
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| 12:25 |
: Adding to the awesomeness of this inning, the booth is silently stunned by all this
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| 12:25 |
: Real winner here is the Cubs, right?
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| 12:25 |
: We’re the real winner.
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| 12:25 |
: We’re the real winners here
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| 12:26 |
: “Oh this is fabulous.”
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| 12:27 |
: That was a strike
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| 12:27 |
: that was a strike
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| 12:28 |
: Harper should run
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| 12:28 |
: big ups to Harper for not forcing anything there. Takes a lot of restraint as the star player to just spit on 4 pitches and get on base when 1 swing can tie it
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| 12:28 |
: How is (generic decent reliever) not better than a super-taxed Jansen or Kershaw right now?
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| 12:28 |
: Wow, Jansen stays in!
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| 12:29 |
: so…50 pitch jansen > 1 day rest Kersh..I honestly have no idea here
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| 12:29 |
: No one does
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| 12:29 |
: We have no data on this
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| 12:29 |
: Gotta figure this is absolutely the last human that Jansen faces tonight
|
| 12:29 |
: Yep
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| 12:29 |
: Kershaw is in for Murphy
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| 12:30 |
: Isn’t Baez pretty good? Why not just use him
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| 12:30 |
: He’s ok
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| 12:30 |
: HR prone, which would be bad here
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| 12:30 |
: Fangraphs Admins … do you run Harper?
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| 12:30 |
: No
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| 12:31 |
: Is Kershaw now out for Sunday too? Even if he doesn’t come in
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| 12:31 |
: I wouldn’t think so.
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| 12:31 |
: kenley still pumping 96
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| 12:32 |
: Wouldn’t this be like a bullpen session for Kershaw?
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| 12:32 |
: Last postseason you remember being this exciting, this quickly?
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| 12:32 |
: You don’t throw bullpens on one day rest after throwing 110 on three day srest
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| 12:32 |
: The crazy STL/Tex game?
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| 12:32 |
: there were 3 game 5s last season, which helps.
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| 12:33 |
: verducci writing his own narrative on jansen
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| 12:33 |
: 52.5
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| 12:33 |
: That HOU/KC game happened too. That was pretty crazy.
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| 12:33 |
: Kershaw time.
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| 12:33 |
: He is gassed
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| 12:33 |
: Kershaw.
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| 12:33 |
: this is unreal
|
| 12:33 |
: Two batters too late. Oh well, welcome to your playoff legacy Mr. Kershaw.
|
| 12:33 |
: KERSHAW TIME
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| 12:34 |
: game 4 KC/HOU and game 5 TEX/TOR last year were probably better than anything so far this year
|
| 12:34 |
:
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| 12:34 |
: I know Murphy’s about to rip a double and that’ll be all she wrote.
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| 12:34 |
: I like that they’re not going to commercial.
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| 12:34 |
: Dave, is this exactly how you would’ve played this?
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| 12:34 |
: I don’t know, honestly.
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| 12:35 |
: they’ve played 4.5 hours. I think they’ve probably fulfilled their commercial obligations.
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| 12:35 |
: Win expectancy graph?
|
| 12:36 |
: We have no idea what Kershaw has in the tank
|
| 12:36 |
: Yep. This is all just speculative “let’s go with our best guys” guessing.
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| 12:36 |
: 95!!!
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| 12:37 |
: that was a strike, but catcher had to move.
|
| 12:37 |
: It would only be fitting to see this game end on an illegal slide at second
|
| 12:38 |
: IFFB!
|
| 12:38 |
: HUGE
|
| 12:38 |
: 2 outs
|
| 12:38 |
: Everyone who doesn’t have bingo yet can check off infield flyrule now
|
| 12:38 |
: A little anticlimactic but huge
|
| 12:38 |
: if wilmer difo gets the game winner…
|
| 12:38 |
: Who the heck is Wilmer Difo?
|
| 12:39 |
: just like everyone predicted kerhaw vs. difo
|
| 12:39 |
: Wilmer Difo was one of the kids in Family Matters right?
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| 12:39 |
: Wilmer Difo, you poor bastard
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| 12:39 |
: So glad I am not Wilmer Difo right now…
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| 12:40 |
: strike two!
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| 12:40 |
: guy number 25 on the roster vs. maybe the best pitcher ever. Going on 1 day rest
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| 12:40 |
: What. A. Game.
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| 12:41 |
: I love baseball
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| 12:41 |
: I’m loving this.
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| 12:41 |
: NL playoffs have been some of the best baseball ever. Holy crap.
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| 12:41 |
: Good game. Good series. Tough Loss for whoever loses though
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| 12:42 |
: my body can’t handle this
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| 12:42 |
: Kershaw <3
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| 12:42 |
: That was pretty.
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| 12:42 |
: Incredible
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| 12:42 |
: CLAYTON KESHAW
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| 12:42 |
: Great series
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| 12:42 |
: What. A. Game.
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| 12:42 |
: the only way to end it
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| 12:42 |
: That was exciting
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| 12:42 |
: That curve.
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| 12:42 |
: Nasty curve
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| 12:43 |
: Win: Julio Urias
Save: Clayton Kershaw |
| 12:44 |
: 4 hours 32 minutes. That was intense.
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| 12:44 |
: Congrats to the Dodgers. Great games by both teams. I am not a fan of either team but my heart was racing in every game.
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| 12:44 |
: that curveball right there – postseason legacy
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| 12:44 |
: Seriously, amazing, and I know that’s usually hyperbole.
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| 12:45 |
: Somebody giffify that curve!
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| 12:45 |
: Feel bad for the Nationals
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| 12:45 |
: Great team, great season, terrible way to lose
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| 12:45 |
: But what a series
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| 12:45 |
:
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| 12:46 |
: Okay everyone, off to throw up a quick post and then head to bed. Thanks for hanging out with us all night!
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| 12:46 |
: This was a blast.
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| 12:46 |
: Goodnight!
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Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
Joined this for the first time. Thanks for doing this. Not a big deal but… My questions seem to be getting stuck in moderation? Am I signed in incorrectly or is this tightly moderated? Just curious
These are tightly moderated. e.g. Dave will only post a comment if he can use it as an ally- for his -oop.
Didn’t realize that . Thanks
The other possibility is that I mainly say really dumb stuff.
Well, I guess you can assume someone is reading it, even if it does not get posted. Not sure how valid that is though.
I think the key is hitting the SUBMIT button instead of return.