2016 NLDS Game 5 Live Blog

8:02
Dave Cameron: Hey friends

8:03
Dave Cameron: Craig Edwards, Sean Dolinar, and myself will be your hosts for the evening.

8:03
Craig Edwards: Can confirm my presence.

8:03
Dave Cameron: One note; I’m fighting a cold — sending your kid to daycare has some downsides — so if any of my comments seem insane, I blame that.

8:08
Bork: Will there be the excitement of game pace vs laptop battery pace tonight?

8:08
Dave Cameron: No, watching from home this time. Which means there will be excitement from toddler and dog vying for my attention.

8:08
CarrotJuice: Cubs fan: who should I be rooting for?

8:08
Sean Dolinar: Hi, everyone. I had to remember my password…It’s been a while since Opening Day.

8:08
Dave Cameron: Probably the Nationals. No Strasburg means they’re a bit easier opponent, I think.

8:08
Minty: I’m just rooting for a big Harper AB and some quality pitching from Urias.

8:09
Dave Cameron: Pretty sure we’ll get at least one big Harper AB.

8:09
Craig Edwards: I would also side with the Nationals. Scherzer going tonight means he can’t pitch until game 3. Kershaw is currently lined up for Game 2.

8:09
asabin: HERE WE GO

8:10
5 Run Homer: Does Urias pitch tonight and if so how much and when?

8:10
Dave Cameron: Definitely. I’d guess 2 innings, probably 6-7.

8:10
Clayton Kershaw: I’m ready to go if needed.

8:11
Blue Moon: Chances we see Jansen before the 8th inning tonight?

8:11
Dave Cameron: 2%

8:11
Zach Britton: I’m ready to go too if needed 🙁

8:12
Nodog: Better route than he took on the Justin Turner flyball in Game 4, for sure.

8:12
Zmccoy: Will we see Baez tonight after that ugly outing in game 4?

8:12
Dave Cameron: Guessing they’re going to try to stay away from Baez and Avilan tonight.

8:12
Craig Edwards: there isn’t a reasonable scenario where Jansen pitches in the 7th or earlier. Not one good for the Dodgers anyway.

8:12
Dave Cameron: Update: my son just brought me our rice cooker.

8:13
britishcub: Can’t root for the dodgers of the 5 teams remaining they have the most recent title…it’s someone else’s turn! (tad sarcastic even if true)

8:13
Michelle: Please keep giving us updates on the child, wife and dog.

8:14
Dave Cameron: 90 mph change?

8:14
Craig Edwards: If you are rooting for players who haven’t won one yet, Adrian Gonzalez and Clayton Kershaw have to be pretty high on the list.

8:14
Dave Cameron: The velocity in MLB now is ridiculous.

8:14
Jason: Curious what fan graphs intelligentsia thinks of Turner in cf short and long term

8:15
Dave Cameron: I think it’s the best spot for him. That speed is wasted in the infield.

8:15
kp: Jays are actually more recent. 93

8:15
Zmccoy: If Cubs win the World Series, does Theo go down as best sports exec ever?

8:16
Craig Edwards: I think Branch Rickey is going to hold on to that one for a while.

8:16
Dave Cameron: I would hope that no one is judging the quality of an executive based on the results of an LCS.

8:16
Dave Cameron: Would you think less of Theo today if the Giants bullpen didn’t suck?

8:17
Nick : time for all the curveballs

8:17
BLA: Turner seems like he moves slowly laterally for a guy with his speed

8:17
Craig Edwards: given his experience on the infield, if this is an actual problem now, it isn’t likely to be one long-term.

8:18
asabin: Let’s enjoy the amount of emotion Rich Hill attaches to every pitch.

8:18
Joe: Rich Hill curveball is easily my favorite pitch to watch

8:18
PHW: am i crazy for thinking the double lefty idea with hill and urias is great?

8:19
Craig Edwards: using two starting pitchers for relatively short bursts is probably a good idea regardless of handedness.

8:19
Dave Cameron: I still would have preferred Urias in game four and full-rest Kershaw tonight.

8:20
ChatzMcGee: Should the Dodgers have put Alex Wood on the playoff roster, or did Urias make him redundant?

8:20
Dave Cameron: Bullpen already a little heavy on lefties.

8:20
Bork: That curveball is more dreamy than Chase Utley

8:21
JC: Old man reflexes

8:21
Cale: It’s a good thing you don’t need your wrist to pitch

8:22
Jeremy: And this is the ‘luck’ part that people discount as part of a short-series playoffs

8:22
Drake: Was Justin Turner always this big?

8:23
Sean Dolinar: That slow-mo curve grip.

8:23
Craig Edwards: No, although few people stay the same size in their 30s compared to their mid-20s. The beard also helps/hurts in that regard.

8:23
Ben: what is Marlins Man’s budget like?

8:23
Dave Cameron: At this point, he has to be sponsored or something, right?

8:24
Eric Y: I miss 2015 Bryce Harper 🙁

8:24
Warren: So Bryce Harper’s zombie is only gonna be here until next season right?

8:24
Dave Cameron: He has to be hurt.

8:24
Craig Edwards: maybe he writes it off as an advertising expense

8:24
Ben: sponsored by the Marlins?

8:25
Dave Cameron: It’s way cheaper than buying ad space on the behind the plate boards, right?

8:25
Sean Dolinar: Marlins Man works from his hotel room during the day, right?

8:25
Ned Yost: What does Justin Turner’s free agent stock look like?

8:25
Craig Edwards: hearty

8:25
Bork: Marlins Man apparently worked in corporate law and had one major win then retired.

8:26
ChatzMcGee: These “scouting reports” have been terrible.

8:26
5 Run Homer: That curveball makes my pants feel tight

8:26
Craig Edwards: When we talk about Marlins Man, he wins.

8:27
Bork: We should give Marlins Man the Voldemort treatment.

8:28
Lord above: As a nationals fan, I hope espinosa just bunts for a hit every time, feel like it’d work at least once.

8:28
Craig Edwards: or have him swing for the fences 12 times and see what happens, which isn’t far off from his general strategy.

8:29
Nodog: Marlins Man would be a Marlins fan, though, amirite? He’s like the franchise personified — desperate for attention but ultimately disappointing, self-interested, and annoying.

8:30
5 Run Homer: Why do you all hate Marlins Man? If I could I would be Marlins Man

8:30
Dave Cameron: Warning track power.

8:31
asabin: What’s the difference between the gray and green lines on the win expectancy charts?

8:31
Sean Dolinar: Green is talent agnostic, gray has projections built in.

8:31
Aaron (UK): he only swings for the fences if it’s a ball. if it’s a strike he leans in

8:31
Sean Dolinar: So green begins at 50% WE…gray will adjust for our Game Odds. This gets discounted as the game goes on.

8:32
PeteD: To whomever approves each chat message, you stink. You take too long, and in doing so are complicit in limiting conversation. Thanks for nothing. Next season get better.

8:32
Dave Cameron: You’re welcome!

8:32
PeteD: If anybody else hates Joe Buck’s call, the international feed of the World Series (accessible online… legal?) is called by Vasgersian and Smoltz. So choice.

8:32
Sean Dolinar: That outage during Gm1 of the WS last year was amazing when they had to switch feeds.

8:33
Dave Cameron: (Also, this isn’t a chat. This is a live blog.)

8:33
Tomas: Hill for 3, Urias for 2, then . . . does Kershaw pitch an inning tonight?

8:33
Dave Cameron: Hill for ~4, Stripling for ~2, Urias for ~2, Jansen for ~1, at least from what J.P. Hoornstra told me.

8:34
JC: (I like Joe Buck)

8:34
Andy J.: Hi Dave, i signed up to be bone marrow donor after being inspired by you. Hopefully I’m a match some day and I can help someone in need.

8:34
Dave Cameron: Thank you!

8:34
Dave Cameron: Scherzer is good. /analysis

8:35
Sean Dolinar: Usually, I have podcasts going. I wish I could just have an effects mix with no announcers.

8:35
Bork: I have the game muted because Borkwife is watching the bachelorette. I still think it’s better commentary than Joe Buck.

8:36
Tim: So in honor of Jeff’s poll today, which of these teams is most likely to miss the playoffs next year? Or is it simply inconceivable that either of them do?

8:36
Dave Cameron: Anyone can miss the playoffs in any given year. I’d take Washington as slightly more likely, given that Stras’ health is not a sure thing, and they won’t have Ramos for at least part of the year. Melancon likely leaving too.

8:37
Sean Dolinar: I also like the other teams in the NL East a little more than the West.

8:37
Cale: What does everyone do during commercials? Early season Simpsons episodes are on FXX for me.

8:38
Craig Edwards: I eat, drink, and look at twitter.

8:38
asabin: Murphy is actually unstoppable.

8:39
Matt: Why wouldn’t the Nats make a serious effort to resign Melancon? He’s been a god-send.

8:39
Dave Cameron: He’s going to be very expensive.

8:40
Bob: Are there any future FG playoff game blogs? Is there any reason why its not posted anywhere ahead of time like a schedule?

8:40
Craig Edwards: It will be really interesting to see if Washington spends this winter. They’ve had a few creative/deferred contracts/offers of late and just inked Strasburg long term.

8:41
Dave Cameron: They are subject to writer availability and interest, so we can’t really predict when someone will be available to do one, or when an elimination game will be.

8:41
mtsw: the announcers are a strange thing to get upset over in some ways but i don’t blame people considering you aren’t given any choice. being able to select home/road/radio on mlb.tv is an underrated innovation that hopefully gives MLB some data on who people actually like and don’t

8:41
Sean Dolinar: Sometimes the things they say are ridiculous. Though overall, being on-air talent is difficult especially in baseball where you need to fill.

8:41
5 Run Homer: I’m supposed to be reading Macbeth for my English class right now. Anyone care to summarize it for me?

8:41
Craig Edwards: Macbeth was the name of the sled.

8:42
Pat: bunch of guys die

8:42
ChatzMcGee: Kevin Spacey is Macbeth.

8:42
Nelson: Does Rich Hill have one of the most remarkable careers in recent memory?

8:42
Dave Cameron: The most remarkable.

8:43
JC: Javy Baez would’ve made that tag

8:44
Jeremy: If Murphy would have momentarily come off the bag, Dave would have flipped

8:44
Dave Cameron: They have to change that rule. It’s so dumb.

8:44
Arpeet: It seems like Washington is willing to spend almost every offseason.

8:45
Aaron (UK): Hill is getting a much tighter zone than in game 2 (which was absurd)

8:45
ChatzMcGee: Probably should’ve swung 3-0.

8:45
Cale: Should batters swing more on 3-0?

8:45
Craig Edwards: missed on Heyward and Cespedes, in part because of the way the deals were structured. They are wiaiting to get tv money that hasn’t come their way yet.

8:45
Neil: The Effectively Wild guys have a great solution. Once a runner hits the bag, it (theoretically) extends upwards. Can’t come off of it upwards, only slide past

8:45
Dave Cameron: That was my idea…

8:46
JC: The Effectively Wild guys have really done a great job being the managing editor of Fangraphs

8:47
Craig Edwards: batters should swing at hittable pitches if they are strikes, regardless of count if they are comfortable doing so and the pitcher doesn’t seem wild.

8:47
ChatzMcGee: Jeff Sullivan’s Twitter informed he that Joey Votto had more 3-0 swings than like 6 or 7 entire teams. Jeff Sullivan’s Twitter is alright.

8:47
Dave Cameron: Jeff Sullivan is a national treasure.

8:48
mtsw: i don’t buy the “its so hard to be on-air talent” when there are 15-20 local broadcast teams who are easily better than buck/reynolds are

8:48
ChatzMcGee: Terrible throw Reddick.

8:48
Minty: Did Nick Cage discover Jeff?

8:48
Dave Cameron: Nothing like a five hopper on a ball you have to charge…

8:49
Craig Edwards: this is true, but also keep in mind, broadcasters are generally going to be better focusing on one team. McCarver had declined a ton on the national broadcasts but did a decent job only doing a handful of Cardinals games the past few years.

8:49
Erik: Dance Dance Fever, huh?

8:50
Eric: Is there any precedent for Hill? From nothing to big game starter at 36?

8:50
JC: Why Fields instead of Uriah?

8:51
Dave Cameron: Probably takes Urias a while to warm up.

8:51
Dave Cameron: Plus if you’re going to take out Hill, probably want to do it when an RHB is up.

8:52
Dave Cameron: Didn’t hang that one.

8:52
Craig Edwards: He wasn’t quite nothing. He was a solid starter early on, got hurt, tried to be a reliever who specialized, changing his motion. He then went back to his original, successful motion to be a starter again and it miraculously worked. It’s a nutty story, but he’s always had talent.

8:53
Guest: Also, lots and lots of curveballs

8:54
Dave Cameron: Uh, no, you don’t try a steal with the pitcher up. If you get thrown out, the pitcher has to lead off next inning.

8:54
mtsw: I’m not a scout but am I crazy to think Julio Urias looks like a guy who’s gonna gain a ton of weight in his late 30s? Are we looking at the next generation’s Bartolo Colon without knowing it?

8:54
Dave Cameron: That’s been a knock on him for a while now.

8:54
Ben: more remarkable than Arrieta?

8:54
Craig Edwards: Arrieta was a decade younger. much different situation.

8:55
Dave Cameron: Whether to let Hill hit here will be interesting.

8:55
Dave Cameron: I’d guess they PH for him if there’s no bunt situation, but let him put one down if there is.

8:56
Aaron (UK): do Fangraphs’ WE charts take into account the position in the order that is due up?

8:56
Sean Dolinar: No, it’s just basically score and inning.

8:57
Rick: Re Washington spending: could they decline Gio’s option (relying instead on Lopez, Giolito, and Cole to round out the rotation) and spend the money on the bullpen?

8:57
Craig Edwards: That option is way too reasonable not to be picked up.

8:57
Sean Dolinar: Re: WE — Oh and base-out state.

8:57
Andy J.: Hill is getting ready to hit

8:58
Bork: Walking Grandal. Okay.

8:58
Dave Cameron: Grandal is a good hitter.

8:58
ARC: Does the MASN dispute ever get settled? I think we see more aggressive spending when this happens.

8:59
Craig Edwards: eventually, but Washington has already spent as though it will get the money. A massive spike isn’t likely.

8:59
Pat: 10/10 eyebrows: 1) andrew toles, 2) matt moore

8:59
Aaron (UK): wow, they got a 3-6-3 even with Zimm’s arm. Espinosa’s compensates

8:59
Dave Cameron: Espy has a cannon

8:59
AJ: How long does Scherzer go tonight? Do we see more of him or do they go to their bullpen soon?

9:00
Dave Cameron: I bet Dusty tries to get 7 out of him.

9:01
Bork: As someone who generally doesn’t watch the Nationals, how is their bullpen?

9:01
Dave Cameron: Underrated.

9:01
Dave Cameron: Treinen is solid, Kelley is excellent, Melancon is a quality closer.

9:02
Aaron (UK): We’re now on “faced the minimum” watch. Whenever a broadcaster uses that phrase you know there’s been a GIDP or CS

9:02
Netflix and Rich Hill: Uh oh, Hill is looking and rubbing his fingers. Blister Watch!

9:04
Lord above: As someone who generally watches the nationals, usage of kelley as high leverage guy has been a huge improvement over the matchup games we used to play.

9:04
Minty: What do you do to counteract the Colon weight gain path for Urias?

9:04
Dave Cameron: Well Colon is 40 and still really good, so I’m not sure you care.

9:04
Jeremy: If a team is very good at stealing signs, any motivation to stay at 2nd instead of going 1st to 3rd? Or value minimal compared to extra 90ft?

9:04
Craig Edwards: Extra 90 feet.

9:04
5 Run Homer: That was a Pillar-ian swing from Trea

9:05
Dave Cameron: If Turner doesn’t take second, I’ll be shocked.

9:06
Ballbase: rich hill LOOKS like a nice man

9:06
Netflix and Rich Hill: Rich Hill looks like he was the template for those inflatable dancing guys at car lots

9:06
Eric: How May innings does Hill likely go, assuming no more runs?

9:06
Dave Cameron: I think he’s done soon.

9:07
Mark: Turner the fastest non-Billy Hamilton player in MLB?

9:07
Dave Cameron: Buxton is faster.

9:07
Netflix and Rich Hill: That split screen was fantastic for seeing how tremendous Turner’s jump was. I’m quickly falling in love with him

9:08
5 Run Homer: Jesus Christ he can really burn

9:08
JJK: Do you think there is going to be more of a trend of using upper tier relievers earlier in games like Cleveland did with Miller? Kinda seems like a more valuable spot to put a fire out than a fresh 9th during a save situation.

9:08
Cale: I wish Terrance Gore could hit. I love watching fast guys run the bases.

9:09
Roger: So, Turner or Seager for the next five years? And does it matter if Seager can’t stick at ss?

9:09
Dave Cameron: Turner’s a nice piece, but he’s not in Seager’s class.

9:09
5 Run Homer: Joe Blanton warming up. Why not Urias?

9:10
Dave Cameron: Same reason as earlier; you want an RH reliever who can warm fast to get RHBs out.

9:10
Craig Edwards: I’m not convinced it will be a trend. Need a manager willing to do it/make more decisions, and as long as arb and FA pay for saves, makes it tough for player happiness as well.

9:11
Sean Dolinar: I’d say in the postseason, yes. But it’s been a trend for a while now there in some form or another.

9:11
Tim: When they bring the infield in, what effect does that have on a hitters slash lines?

9:12
Dave Cameron: They go up

9:12
Sean Dolinar: Plus the day-to-day regular season is a different animal.

9:12
CTMike: Walk Murphy?

9:12
Dave Cameron: No.

9:12
Dave Cameron: But Roberts disagrees.

9:13
Dave Cameron: And that’s it for Hill.

9:13
Bork: Why not walk murphy?

9:13
Dave Cameron: Putting an extra potential run on base.

9:14
Michelle: Why walk Murphy if you’re just going to pull Hill?

9:14
mtsw: Do you find any significance to the fact that Joe Girardi, who is normally seen as a progressive manager working for a data-savvy organization, moved towards more traditional bullpen roles this season than he had in the past?

9:14
Dave Cameron: You walk Murphy because you’re going to pull him, get RvR with Blanton.

9:14
Ballbase: How many outs does Roberts plan for Blanton?

9:14
Dave Cameron: I would guess 4, then try to start Urias in the 5th.

9:14
Craig Edwards: He basically couldn’t screw that situation up, so why not go with what’s easy.

9:15
Cale: I actually don’t like pulling Hill he’s been getting a lot of swings and misses. But I can understand it.

9:15
Dave Cameron: 3 days rest, was always going to have a short leash

9:15
Mr. Jones: So I admittedly haven’t watched the Dodgers much at all this season, but doesn’t Joe Blanton suck?

9:15
Dave Cameron: Nope.

9:16
Youppi!: Will anyone steal 100 bases again? Can Turner do it?

9:16
Noah: Hypothetically why isn’t an outfielder put behind the catcher during an intentional work just incase there is a wild pitch.

9:16
Dave Cameron: Too rare to justify it.

9:16
Chuckb: At least Roberts is smart enough to use one of his top relievers here.

9:16
Craig Edwards: You would have to be willing to get caught more and try to steal third a bunch. Probably not wise unless the run-scoring environment goes down further.

9:16
Dave Cameron: Right.

9:17
Sean Dolinar: You also can’t have a fielder line up in foul territory aside from the catcher.

9:17
Andy J.: Why does the current pitcher intentionally walk the hitter? Why not make the RP responsible for that run?

9:17
Craig Edwards: better to come in fresh

9:18
Bork: that slider

9:18
asabin: Another reason not to walk Murphy.

9:18
Chuckb: Very smart steal of 2nd there

9:18
Sean Dolinar: That double steal could have been fun to watch.

9:18
Bork: welp

9:19
Wsopsup : Scary

9:19
Dave Cameron: That’s another example of luck.

9:19
Dave Cameron: Rendon scorched a bad pitch, but Dodgers get an out.

9:20
Jart: someone please tell me why so many pitchers have goop on the bills of their caps and nobody does anything about it?

9:20
Dave Cameron: Batters don’t want to get hit in the face by an errant pitch because pitchers can’t grip the ball.

9:20
Andy J.: Is Hill still in this game if Grandal or Reddick make a decent throw?

9:21
Dave Cameron: Maybe, but they were always going to pull him early.

9:21
ChatzMcGee: I bet if Kershaw had put those guys on they’d both have scored.

9:21
9:22
Norrin Radd: How bad strategically is the first and third play where the guy on first intentionally gets in a run down to try and let the guy on third dash home?

9:23
Craig Edwards: depends on what the chances are of the player scoring, but if they are good and there are two outs, it can be a good play.

9:24
JC: That K guy is PUMPED

9:24
Wsopsup : Do what extent are the dodgers FO calling pitcher subs and starting lineup?

9:25
Dave Cameron: They aren’t. They work with Roberts pregame, but in-game, it’s his call.

9:26
ChatzMcGee: Giving praise to Lobaton for the terrible framing attempt.

9:26
V: JC, that K guy is Robin Ficker, a well known Bullets/Wizards superfan/heckler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Ficker#Sports_heckler).

9:26
Chuckb: Not a strike

9:27
Stevie Wonderful: oh come on that was even worse than the earlier outside call

9:28
aj: Max Scherzer looks like a bond villian, he is even named like one.

9:28
Andy J.: Are Dodgers currently getting hosed with these calls?

9:28
Dave Cameron: Yeah, these are not strikes.

9:28
Chuckb: If Scherzer is going to continue to get calls down there, he’ll be unhittable.

9:30
aspergillus fumigatus: where do you rank scherzer’s change in a list of best starting pitcher offspeed pitchers?

9:31
Craig Edwards: not that high-it’s the FB-slider combo that makes him dominant. change helps, but not as good as his top pitches.

9:31
Matt: Dave … do you have the ability to access specifically when Scherzer’s times-thru-the-order penalty indicates he becomes less effective than the Nationals RPs?

Meaning, for example, when should Scherzer be lifted, statistically – not matter how this game is going – for the first RP (say, Treinen)?

9:31
Sean Dolinar: You’d have to do some comparisons, but the data is there.

9:31
Bork: gold glove to that ballgirl

9:32
ChatzMcGee: This is a good AB.

9:32
Dave Cameron: I always find it funny that people think lots of fouls = good hitting. Good hitting = hit the ball hard, fair.

9:33
libre: Ginger Jesus is so good at baseball

9:33
Table: forget it, put him on!

9:33
Netflix and Rich Hill: I played with Turner at CSUF, he is the kind of guy who would foul off pitches to stay alive. It is a skill.

9:34
Dave Cameron: Not saying it’s not a skill, but it’s a better skill to not have to foul balls off.

9:35
Stevie Wonderful: Fellow Titan?? Class of 2010 here!

9:36
Craig Edwards: the expected batting average on that Rendon lineout earlier based on launch angle and exit velocity was .686.

9:37
Drake: Basically your standard BA on line drives…

9:38
aspergillus fumigatus: it’s just every time I see him pitch (admittedly not often) it seems that he gets a ton of swing and misses on that change.. but I guess you’re right, could just be that his other pitches are so good hitters have to hedge their bets

9:38
Dave Cameron: The change-up is also very good. I think Craig undersold it.

9:40
Matt: Thank you for the info Sean.

After looking it up, if anyone is interested … statistically, Blake Treinen is better 1x thru the order than Scherzer is 3x thru the order. So, technically/statistically, assuming this game stays close, Scherzer should only go, at most, 2 more full IP … despite not giving up a hit yet and seemingly throwing well.

Thoughts from the Fangraphs staff?

9:40
Dave Cameron: It’s not quite that simple, since you have to account for the fact that Scherzer is much better vs LHBs than Treinen.

9:40
Dave Cameron: But in general, yes, I think Dusty will leave Scherzer in too long.

9:40
Stevie Wonderful: Does Justin Turner go over/under on 20 million AAV on his next contract?

9:41
Dave Cameron: I think around there, depending on years.

9:41
Sean Dolinar: You can look up that split, too! Times through the order and vs LHH.

9:41
libre: JT: $80/4 ?

9:41
Dave Cameron: Yeah, something like that. Maybe a little less.

9:42
Ampersand: Is there a way to see the playoff games to the players’ game log pages? I was trying to look up how individual guys have done so far this postseason, but can’t find it.

9:42
Dave Cameron: On the player pages, you can click postseason to see their playoff numbers.

9:43
Jeremy: Blanton get multi-year offer?

9:43
Dave Cameron: For sure.

9:43
aspergillus fumigatus: I’m sure you guys have written at least a couple articles about it..but what’s been behind Turner’s transformation from meh utility player on the Mets to what he is now? a fair response is “read our damn article”

9:43
Dave Cameron: Same thing as almost every change of late; guy with contact skills figured out how to hit for power.

9:44
bada bing: Also, this obviously isn’t a statistical analysis, but when Scherzer is “on,” he is just as good as any pitcher in baseball

9:45
Craig Edwards: fair-but he’s also at 67 pitches through four. The sixth and seventh will present some tough choices.

9:45
libre: Do they try to ride Blanton, even with Urias ready?

9:45
Dave Cameron: I’d bet they just want to get through this inning.

9:46
Alex: Just woke up. Is Kershaw available?

9:46
Dave Cameron: Nope.

9:46
S: Why is Guacamole so much more expensive than other dips?

9:47
Dave Cameron: Avocados are not cheap.

9:47
Matt : Any examples of a reverse JT? Power hitter who gained contact skills to become elite? I seem to remember Miggy was a 270 hitter in 03 but that could have just been adjustments

9:47
Dave Cameron: Miggy’s always made good contact. I think Mike Schmidt cut his strikeout rate in half.

9:48
Bubba: Kris Bryant made more contact too, although he struck out a lot only for one season.

9:48
Dave Cameron: Yeah, and he was pretty good even as high K guy.

9:49
Erik: What separates the guys who can make such big adjustments from the guys who can’t? Doesn’t everyone try to hit for more contact or more power all the time?

9:49
Craig Edwards: Beltre lowered his k-rate as well, although it was never very high.

9:49
Dave Cameron: If we could answer that question, we’d be running a team.

9:50
asabin: That was so far out!

9:50
Strike Thief!: If the nats win is Lobaton their MVP for pillaging the strike zone like he is?

9:51
Alex Reinhart: How huge is this strikezone tonight

9:51
Dave Cameron: It’s only occasionally huge. Was small early.

9:52
JC: Surprised Reddick didn’t try and take the extra base there

9:52
mtsw: bunt here?

9:52
Dave Cameron: No.

9:52
Well, Actually…: Never Bunt. Hit Dingers.

9:53
mtsw: shoulda bunted

9:53
ethn: With Grandal hitting like this, bunt 100 times out of 100

9:54
Dave Cameron: Recency bias.

9:54
Cracker Jack: MLB doing a solid job displaying those hoodies. Everyone looks comfortable af.

9:54
Sean Dolinar: They are well worth the money.

9:54
Craig Edwards: bunting here would actually be worse than normal given Scherzer’s likelihood of striking out the next hitter.

9:55
Chuckb: Definitely good not to save Ethier.

9:55
5 Run Homer: Max Scherzer is like, really good

9:56
mtsw: just sitting here watching my “sometimes you should bunt” stance be vindicated

9:56
HappyFunBall: Scherzer is pitching low he’s not expecting his team to score any more runs

9:57
Alex Reinhart: “You gotta like this move” – Harold Reynolds — are there any managers that don’t make this move?

9:57
Dave Cameron: Nope.

9:57
Craig Edwards: unless there’s something wrong with the data, statcast is saying the expected batting average on lobaton’s at bat last inning was 1.000.

9:57
Dave Cameron: Seems like a data error.

9:58
Ampersand: Big pitch time

9:58
S: Why is Toronto’s crowd so much more exciting than everyone else?

9:58
Sean Dolinar: Because of that 7th inning last year. Also large dome stadium and a fan-base that doesn’t have playoff fatigue yet.

9:59
aj: im rooting for scherzer just because i really like seeing him

9:59
Chuckb: That sound you hear is my brother, the Dodger fan, cursing.

10:00
Dave Cameron: Scherzer is good.

10:01
5 Run Homer: *sad trombone*

10:01
Tim: 86 pitches now. How deep can Scherzer go in this one?

10:01
Craig Edwards: it’s listing the launch angle as 42 and exit velo as 106.6 which was 3 for 3 with 3 homers this year.

10:01
Dave Cameron: He’s probably got one inning left, max.

10:01
HappyFunBall: Scherzer leads off the 6th. Do you let him?

10:01
Dave Cameron: Me? No.

10:02
Aaron (UK): Logically you ought to PH Scherzer here if you think he’s only got one inning left

10:02
Dave Cameron: Bet Dusty lets him hit though.

10:03
AJ: Because he’s coming back out? Or because he can hit?

10:03
Dave Cameron: Won’t see gap in hitting as worth taking him out.

10:03
Eric Y: Urias in

10:03
Dave Cameron: Well, yeah, they just pinch hit for Blanton.

10:04
Edward van halen: Sweet Jesus talk about missed opportunities for the dodgers this series

10:04
Ed in Tampa: Cameron plan: Hill-Blanton -Urias, so RH rel next?

10:04
Dave Cameron: Don’t think he’ll bring in Jansen any time soon, so probably not.

10:04
Craig Edwards: if there is a decent chance that you take the pitcher out the next inning and the pitcher’s spot comes up, Mike Matheny lets him bat.

10:05
Cracker Jack: Urias vs. Turner. The future is now.

10:06
Benjamin Dover: Urias or Giollito?

10:06
Dave Cameron: Urias

10:06
Norrin Radd: What kind of ceiling do you give Urias?

10:06
Dave Cameron: #1

10:07
Ed in Tampa: Let’s remember letting Scherzer hit this inning, as Dusty makes questionable decisions at best

10:07
AJ: Uh oh….

10:07
Natsurally: Oh man…never want to see someone hurt in the playoffs

10:07
Tomas: Wouldn’t be a Dodgers’ pitcher without an injury

10:08
Alex Reinhart: wow, haven’t seen a pitcher get hurt so early in an appearance since the first inning

10:08
JC: He didn’t roll it that bad

10:08
asabin: Oooo 96. You don’t see that from Urias often.

10:09
Dave Cameron: This is about as fun a matchup as you can hope for.

10:09
Alex: What kind of war should we expect from Harper next year?

10:09
Dave Cameron: civil

10:10
Dave Cameron: Turner with the most awkward seat entrance ever.

10:12
Ben: BOB RYAN TWEET ALERT Bob Ryan ?@GlobeBobRyan
And anyone citing the totally bogus nonsense known as WAR is eliminated from any serious baseball discussion.

10:12
Dave Cameron: Sucks for all the MLB GMs who cite it, then.

10:13
Tim Brett: Rob Arthur’s article at FiveThirtyEight seemed to make it look like 2015, not 2016, was the offensive outlier for Harper. Is that fair to say?

10:13
britishcub: probably good for those GM’s as they don’t have to talk to bob ryan

10:14
Netflix and Rich Hill: WAR is about a fantastic measure of production. What is the biggest issue people have with it?

10:14
Dave Cameron: It goes against their preconceived notions of value.

10:14
Craig Edwards: Harper’s 2015 season was one of the greatest offensive seasons of all time. In that way it is an outlier, but his projections still put him halfway between this year and last.

10:14
asabin: NASTY MOVE

10:14
ncb: BALK

10:14
JC: Man that move is nasty

10:14
Sean Dolinar: And they don’t understand how it works.

10:14
Chuckb: That’s a balk.

10:14
Cale: That sure does seem like a balk

10:14
A Bloo Bloo Jays: that looks like a balk to me

10:15
JT: Thats Petitte level nasty.

10:15
Benjamin Dover: Ah, the Andy Pettitte

10:15
AJ: Nasty move… Dave, in your interpretation, balk?

10:15
Dave Cameron: I don’t know.

10:15
Dave Cameron: It’s close.

10:17
Netflix and Rich Hill: Dave, your personality always has reminded me of my father’s. But you just admitted you didn’t know something. Refreshing.

10:18
Dave Cameron: Without knowing your dad, I don’t know whether thats an insult or compliment.

10:18
DBA455: The only thing more entertaining than the “balk confidence” question is the candor that most people have in answering it.

10:19
Netflix and Rich Hill: My dad is an unwavering, consummate professional who is always well prepared.

10:19
Dave Cameron: Neat.

10:19
JT: Seeing it in super slow mo….thats a balk

10:19
Cale: Harold is bad at analyzing games for the most part but that was a good breakdown especially for the casual fan that wouldn’t know the rule.

10:20
Sean Dolinar: One of the most important things in implementing analytics in any line of work is having people understand how it works, what goes into it, and what it says. WAR has the most inputs and adjustments. With baseball, you also have a lot of people who don’t like the idea of reducing a player to a number. But usually, it’s the former. WAR is just a starting point for analysis, because it won’t tell you why the player is good or bad.

Also most metrics and models don’t take into account EVERYTHING that can affect value, and that bothers some people.

10:20
ChatzMcGee: If Tom Verducci says “drifter” one more time… I’m not going to do much, but it’ll annoy me.

10:20
Dave Cameron: If he says it one more time, Hunter Pence is summoned.

10:20
JC: 98 on pitch 94

10:21
hscer: Scherzer has always seemed to have that Verlander thing where he can be his own reliever for an inning. maybe I’m just talking myself into this. but 98 on the K!

10:21
Roger: Would the ratings for games like this be appreciably better if, say, Vin Scully were calling it?

10:21
ReggieBar: WAR is fine but is very flawed still. Also a kind of boring stat..doesn’t tell us anything about what KIND of player someone is, just their overall production. But still, Bob Ryan should retire..

10:21
Sean Dolinar: The words “flawed stat” are like nails on a chalkboard to me.

10:21
Craig Edwards: No, but it would be more enjoyable.

10:22
Benjamin Dover: Are we ever gonna get a Fangraphs Audio Live during a game?

10:22
Dave Cameron: MLB would yell at us if we provided play by play of a live broadcast.

10:22
Don Mattingly: The strike zone is growing again

10:23
britishcub: scherzer has to be done now?

10:23
Dave Cameron: I wouldn’t count on that.

10:24
JC: Play by play does not seem particularly well suited for Carson’s conversational style.

10:24
Dave Cameron: Or amount of baseball he watches.

10:24
Craig Edwards: He’s at 98 pitches. Seems really doubtful he gets pulled now.

10:25
asabin: I would bet my gentalia on Scherzer staying in.

10:25
Dave Cameron: That seems unwise and needlessly risky.

10:26
Watching for the Cubs: The ratings for this game would be better if it wasn’t on FS1

10:26
Netflix and Rich Hill: Lol yeah just keep Carson out of the booth. Cistulli: “Would it be fair to say that pitcher, um…that pitcher just bestowed a strike upon the hitter? And in doing so, is it fair to say, in the vernacular of the game, that the pitcher is, ahead?”

10:26
Joe McMahon: Considering the pitching matchup and the fact that the Nats were favored to win this game from the start, do you think if the Dodgers were told yesterday they’d finish the 6th only down by 1 that they’d take it?

10:26
Dave Cameron: Yes

10:27
Craig Edwards: FS1 is in almost as many homes as ESPN. They would be better on FOX, but I think they will be happy with the numbers.

10:29
Nodog: Sean … “flawed” stat bothers you bc stats are only as flawed as the understanding of what they’re measuring and how they measure it?

10:29
Craig Edwards: Not Sean, but all stats are flawed in that they all need context. We would probably all be better off focusing on what a stat does and not what it doesn’t do.

10:29
Mark: It’s so weird that Daniel Murphy just flipped the switch in the second half of last season and is legit one of the best hitters in MLB now.

10:29
Sean Dolinar: It’s more the interpretation is flawed, not the stat itself. Plus any stat or metric is a tool to help you understand the game or make a decision if you are a team, player or have a fantasy team. WAR certainly isn’t perfect, but it helps you frame the overall value of the player, which I think is important to understand the game.

10:30
Rick: So is Murphy the single best multi-year FA deal of the off-season?

10:30
Dave Cameron: Yep

10:30
Aaron (UK): More luck there

10:30
5 Run Homer: Reddick almost messed up big time

10:30
JC: Jeez, Josh Reddick

10:30
Table: Jesus Reddick

10:31
Craig Edwards: if Puig had done that…

10:31
Dave Cameron: Yup.

10:33
ChatzMcGee: Lol

10:33
mtsw: lmao that send

10:33
@FlippedBats: what..

10:33
ChatzMcGee: Solid baserunning.

10:33
Rick: that was the single worst third-base call I have ever seen

10:33
Ampersand: why??????

10:33
@FlippedBats: what was that

10:34
Harry pothead: What????

10:34
Duder: Wtf!?

10:34
Mark: Damnit Werth… You’re so slow… 🙁

10:34
AJ: Awful send…

10:34
Ballbase: that was atrocious running

10:34
Eric Y: hahahaha tootblan

10:34
tedTHRILLiams: Lmfao

10:34
Norrin Radd: That wasn’t Werth it

10:34
brendan: is that the worst attempt to score you’ve ever seen?

10:34
Harry pothead: Can you be fired mid game?

10:35
Cracker Jack: Does anyone really think the 3B coach was like, “Hey 37 year old Jayson Werth, go for it.”

10:35
Ballbase: werth’s face… looked like he took a wrong turn when playing hookey and ran into his mum

10:35
Ed in Tampa: I meant he had about a 35% chance to be safe and the following batter wouldn’t have that much of a chance to score the Run

10:35
ReggieBar: But Sean, there is more to understanding the game than just ‘value’. That’s why initially stating a player’s WAR is fine but is not nearly enough. Fans want to know who a player ‘is’, not just a number. Saying Adam Dunn and Ichiro have the same WAR is meaningless.

10:35
Dave Cameron: A 35% chance? Haha

10:36
Sean Dolinar: There are plenty of newspapers, sports outlets and blogs out there if you want the narrative side.

10:36
Dave Cameron: I’d buy that Werth had a 35% chance of curing cancer before I’d buy that he had a 35% chance of scoring on that.

10:36
Dave Cameron: And there you go, Scherzer in too long…

10:37
@FlippedBats: JOC

10:37
Cale: OPPO TACO

10:37
@FlippedBats: BAT FLIP

10:37
@FlippedBats: OH MY

10:37
CarrotJuice: BOOM

10:37
@FlippedBats: THAT BAT THROW

10:37
AJ: Wow!

10:37
DBA455: At least asabin gets to keep his genitalia.

10:37
@FlippedBats: alright scherzers done

10:37
Mark: JFC Dusty…

10:37
Don Mattingly: Well that escalated quickly

10:38
Ampersand: Man what was the xBABIP of that shot? Dang

10:38
Sean Dolinar: Good thing I hate sleep.

10:38
Mark: Did Joc just do the Sam Cassell cojones dance?

10:38
Craig Edwards: .685 xBA on the Murphy liner

10:38
Ryan: So, did the Nats’ coaching decisions (send Werth, leave Max in) just cost them two runs?

10:39
Dave Cameron: No, expected RA in that inning is not zero if you pull Scherzer.

10:39
Cale: Werth just reached home plate

10:40
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10:40
@FlippedBats: scrabble out to pitch

10:41
Ballbase: i’m actually slightly surprised Scherzer is pulled. Wonder if that would happen 5 years ago.

10:41
Dave Cameron: The common wisdom is shifting.

10:42
ChatzMcGee: I’ll never see Marc Rzepczynski (yes I googled it to spell it right) without thinking of Max Schrock, thanks Carson.

10:42
FreehanSolo: Wow, 3B coach was waving Werth home when the ball was just about to the infield :-0

10:43
Ed in Tampa: I meant he had a .35% chance

10:44
Ben: since MLB has these games on like 18 different channels anyway, wouldn’t it be great if they did the college football thing where you can choose to watch with your home team announcers?

10:44
Bob: Few years ago, we might’ve seen a crazy collison at the plate. How times have changed.

10:44
Craig Edwards: you can always turn on the radio.

10:44
JT: Carsons general disdain for baseball combined with his uncanny ability to pick breakout candidates is quite a skillset

10:45
ChatzMcGee: Skip Bayless is the most detestable “journalist” in all of sports.

10:45
Dave Cameron: He’s not a journalist.

10:46
Ned Yost: Now you should bunt

10:46
Dave Cameron: I’m generally anti-bunt, but it’s justified here.

10:47
Erik: “Waste” Puig with 2 men on and nobody out.

10:47
Dave Cameron: Well not a waste of he swings away.

10:47
Erik: Why is this an okay bunt situation?

10:48
Dave Cameron: Marginal value of getting two guys into scoring position with just one out is very high.

10:48
@FlippedBats: 98 sinker

10:48
@FlippedBats: how you gonna bunt on that

10:49
Ned Yost: Now, you shouldn’t bunt

10:49
@FlippedBats: now that was dumb

10:49
libre: If Puig had done that …

10:49
CarrotJuice: Should’ve hit a dinger.

10:49
ChatzMcGee: That’s just awful.

10:49
Borby: Well that was stupid.

10:49
hscer: teams are just trading mistakes now

10:49
Cale: Never bunt. Hit dingers

10:50
hscer: Zimmerman out of the game on a double switch… … ……

10:50
@FlippedBats: why take him out

10:50
Dave Cameron: Utley is LH, but Treinen is good.

10:51
Craig Edwards: Run expectancy goes from 1.437 down to 1.376 after a successful bunt, but the chance of scoring goes from 61% to 67.6%.

10:52
JC: Grilled cheese stuffed crust pizza sounds disgusting

10:52
Walrusman: if you try to bunt and fail, though…

10:52
Sean Dolinar: Pizza Hut is running out of ideas.

10:52
Dave Cameron: Yes, but also have to account for fielding errors.

10:52
@FlippedBats: so, lefty-on-lefty matchup worth taking out a great GB pitcher in a DP situation?

10:52
Dave Cameron: Next two guys are LHBs, so probably.

10:53
ReggieBar: PH for Utley?????

10:53
Dave Cameron: Ruiz, apparently

10:53
Dave Cameron: But going from a good hitter to a catcher isn’t so bad for WAS

10:54
FreehanSolo: Somewhere, far, far away from the playoffs, (FAR away, like REAL far), Tony La Russa is smiling at all these pitching changes

10:54
Craig Edwards: a smirk, maybe.

10:54
@FlippedBats: dodgers have used 3 catchers this inning

10:54
Michelle: I get that it’s game 5, but it feels awfully early to only have one position player left.

10:56
Dodgers Fan: I’m assuming Barnes is 2nd?

10:56
Dave Cameron: Or Kendrick to 2B and Ruiz catching

10:56
Erik: CHOOOOOOOCH!!!!!

10:56
FreehanSolo: I Chooch Chooch choose you!

10:56
Netflix and Rich Hill: Kershaw is not crying about Ellis now.

10:56
hscer: it feels like Rendon’s made that same play about 50 times this year in 55 tries

10:56
ChatzMcGee: Ruiz makes up for all the AJ Ellis good-guyness.

10:56
Elbo: Six inches to the left and it’s a DP. But there’s no luck in baseball you know.

10:57
Dazman: Got to be jansen time now

10:57
Don Mattingly: 3 innings from Jansen is too much

10:58
Ed in Tampa: If Roberts brings in Jansen, we are in another demetion

10:58
Dave Cameron: He won’t. We’ll see Dayton next inning, I bet.

10:58
Alex: What are the chances of a successful bunt?

10:58
Craig Edwards: 65%, I believe.

10:59
peachesnnuts: They just announced the last train going North (where everyone goes) at the stadium, brb I’m going to make $5,000 driving Ubers

10:59
Ed in Tampa: The stratomatic baseball function has a successful bunt ranging from 55% to 85% depending on skill

11:00
Walt: One more from Urias, Dayton the. Jansen

11:00
Dave Cameron: They pinch hit for Urias

11:00
Don Mattingly: I hope someone takes a screenshot of the Uber surge multiplier

11:01
5 Run Homer: Dusty’s toothpick has gotta be the best managerial accessory, right?

11:01
TOOTBLAN: Using a half dozen relievers in an inning the new market inefficiency?

11:01
HappyFunBall: Turner looks like an extra from a Peter Jackson movie

11:01
Pat: Turner is awful against LH, why not leave him in?

11:02
Dave Cameron: No reason to think that reverse platoon split is real.

11:03
mtsw: transit systems have very high fixed costs but very low operating costs. any transit agency that shuts down a system an hour before 50,000 people are about to use it to leave a ballgame is incompetent.

11:03
Dave Cameron: Well, I’m guessing the workers are unionized, so it might not be so easy to make them work.

11:04
Well, Actually…: He has over 600 PA this season, is that really too small a sample size for the reverse splits?

11:04
HappyFunBall: DC’s Metro is in the middle of a horrendous maintenance overhaul, and closes early every night. No exceptions.

11:05
@FlippedBats: JT

11:05
@FlippedBats: there goes the game

11:05
Mike: THE RED DREAM

11:05
Michelle: Welp.

11:05
Chuckb: Huge!

11:05
Dodgers Fan: YES

11:05
Sad Melancon: All this while Melancon rots in the pen.

11:05
Dave Cameron: Kelley is just as good as Melancon.

11:06
Craig Edwards: I think it’s closer to 1,000 from that side before you get some confidence. A lot of things happened while I was typing this.

11:06
Gavin: As a dodgers fan GOD YES. But we still have to get through the seventh inning

11:06
@FlippedBats: kelley is hurt

11:07
ChatzMcGee: Pitcher’s arms are a sad story. 🙁

11:07
5 Run Homer: Aw man

11:07
Cale: Man, seeing a pitcher exit after that is a terrible sight.

11:08
Craig Edwards: At least Turner is a better hitter than Pete Kozma.

11:08
Can’t Buy Me Love: dusty rushed the warmup on a double tommy john guy.

11:08
Dave Cameron: Can’t possibly know if they are related.

11:09
Nodog: What else can we blame on Dusty Baker?

11:09
Dave Cameron: The metro, probably

11:09
hurricanexyz: Turner had a reverse split back when he was with the Mets. it’s a pretty significant split over his whole career (774 PA vs. LHP).

11:09
Dave Cameron: Not a large enough sample.

11:09
Dave Cameron: Seriously, there’s basically no RH hitter in baseball history with a sustained reverse platoon split.

11:10
libre: If the best predictor of future injury is past injury, how can we say that it’s not related?

11:10
Dave Cameron: You have no idea how warm Kelley was

11:11
ncb: Would still take Dusty Baker over Matt Williams.

11:11
Dave Cameron: Of course.

11:11
Dave Cameron: The Nationals like Dusty. They hated Williams.

11:11
Dave Cameron: Piling on Dusty for this is simply narrative over facts. Ruiz’s ball was a few inches from being a double play.

11:12
Netflix and Rich Hill: Craig, what is the Pete Kozma comment for?

11:14
Santiago: How long was that top of the 7th?

11:14
Dave Cameron: 33 minutes, I believe.

11:15
TOOTBLAN: Why do they need to televise god bless america? Seriously, what is the point?

11:15
Sean Dolinar: It doesn’t count for the commercial break time.

11:15
Benjamin Dover: What do you think about enforcing a 2 batters faced minimum for pitchers?

11:15
Dave Cameron: Unenforceable

11:15
Dave Cameron: Can’t tell a potentially injured pitcher he has to keep working

11:15
Dave Cameron: And teams could just have a guy say his arm hurts to do one batter exchanges

11:16
Trusty Dusty: MLBPA wouldn’t go for it either.

11:17
CTMike: How many outs would you want Kenley to get? Last 5?

11:17
Dave Cameron: 6

11:17
Matt: Adam Jones has a 95 wRC+ vs L and 112 vs R with 1500+ PA vs LHP. He doesn’t have a reverse split every year, but certainly more years than not. That enough to trust?

11:18
Ed in Tampa: You called it Dave, Dayton

11:18
Dave Cameron: He’s their best non-Jansen reliever.

11:18
Craig Edwards: 1/6 of his PA against lefties are against Sabathia, Price and Lester.

11:18
Well, Actually…: Blanton?

11:18
Dave Cameron: Dayton is better

11:19
machetko: Dave, that’s a fallacy that a 2-batter rule would be abused. Social science research in general suggests that cultural values/norms are more important in enforcing rules of that nature. If it were accepted and agreed upon and appropriate processes were put around it, it would work.

11:19
Dave Cameron: Yeah, the don’t-flip-your-bat cultural norm in baseball is really effective.

11:20
Dave Cameron: Jansen is warming!

11:20
mtsw: “the next pitcher who comes in to replace an ‘injured’ guy gets no warm up pitches from the mound” would be enough of a penalty to discourage teams from doing it, no?

11:20
Dave Cameron: Players aren’t going to go for anything that could endanger player health. Not letting a guy warm up on the mound could.

11:21
@FlippedBats: GONE

11:21
@FlippedBats: GONE

11:21
Cale: HONKBAL

11:21
5 Run Homer: Oh boy

11:21
Chuckb: Showtime!

11:21
ethn: 7th inning curse still around even without Kershaw it seems

11:21
Ed in Tampa: Higher please

11:21
AJ: That was murdered

11:21
joseph: Heisey with the dong, as I’m sure we all expected

11:21
@FlippedBats: the active leader in pinch hit homers

11:21
Congo Powers: Jansen might be coming in earlier…

11:22
Benjamin Dover: What is Harold babbling about

11:22
Ed in Tampa: Harold,,WTF?

11:24
Dr Evil: On the two batter minimum for a reliever. If there’s an injury require a DL stint (or maybe have a modified 5 or 10 day DL where the pitcher has to sit out a certain # of games)?

11:24
Dave Cameron: Then you’ll just have pitchers who don’t want to go on the DL pitching through something they would otherwise come out for.

11:24
Dave Cameron: You can like the idea all you want, but there are too many bad incentives related to player health for it to ever work.

11:24
Pitchers Remaining:: Nats: Lopez, Melancon, possibly Roark
Dodgers: Jansen, Baez, Fields, Avilan, Stripling

11:25
causation: Roark is available per pregame comments

11:25
Dave Cameron: Jansen in the 7th!

11:26
Craig Edwards: What was all that 2% talk?

11:27
Matt: Does LA fool us and bring in Kershaw to close out the 9th maybe?

11:27
Dave Cameron: No. Not after throwing 110 on three days rest.

11:27
Election 2016!: Great Series or Greatest Series?

11:27
Dave Cameron: Pretty fun!

11:28
Warren: Yeah I’m starting to like this whole baseball thing

11:28
HappyFunBall: Seriously. Who pitches the 9th for LA tonight ?

11:28
Dave Cameron: Baez, probably

11:28
Dave Cameron: If Jansen runs out of gas

11:29
Matt: 9 out save! When was the last time that happened in a non-blowout?

11:29
Dave Cameron: Feel like maybe Rivera did it in October once?

11:29
@FlippedBats: i doubt he goes all 9

11:29
Dave Cameron: I would bet it depends on pitch count. They won’t run him up past 40-45 pitches.

11:29
daniel: dave i read your dodgers lefty problem this morning and i wanted to come in and say you nailed this dodgers pitching plan

11:30
Joel: Jansen looks like he’s got electric stuff

11:30
Jon: Rivera pitched 3 against the Sox in game 7, 2013 (Aaron Boone). But it wasn’t a save.

11:30
@FlippedBats: *2003

11:30
@FlippedBats: joe ross. pinch running.

11:30
5 Run Homer: Ross the pinch runner..?

11:31
Ed in Tampa: Harold says if Joe Ross can steal a base I would send him oh oh oh Harold

11:31
Craig Edwards: Bumgarner in 2014 WS G 7. Five innings.

11:31
hscer: Rivera playoff game log. 4 2.1+ inning outings, none a save. looots of 6-out appearances and saves http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=riverma01&t=p&year=0&post=1

11:31
Walrusman: Smoltz pitched 3 innings as a closer in 2004 NLDS G2

11:32
Mark: That’s actually real nice for Ross to be able to get from 1st to 3rd.

11:32
brendan: Great piece of hitting there

11:32
AJ: Nice swing….

11:33
Walrusman: Harper may steal 2nd – Dodgers prob won’t throw

11:33
@FlippedBats: he’s sitting 96

11:33
@FlippedBats: 96 ?? ??

11:34
Craig Edwards: Last non-blowout save by a closer to go 3 innings was Todd Worrell, game 3 of 87 NLCS against Giants, per BRef.

11:34
i am not the walrus: no matter what happens, still can’t believe roberts brought jansen in this early. glad to see it.

11:35
Nate: He’s not gonna go all 3 innings guys

11:35
Jart: I’ve watched a lot of Dodger games this year, and I don’t think I’ve seen the cutter move that much.

11:35
AJ: Got away with one there!

11:35
Werth: Jansen doesn’t have it tonight

11:36
5 Run Homer: Oof. Middle middle

11:36
AJ: And another one… Yikes…

11:36
@FlippedBats: not hitting his spots

11:36
@FlippedBats: called for that one up, ended right over the plate

11:37
@FlippedBats: harper already rounding 3rd on the foul ball

11:38
@FlippedBats: no shot werth catches up right now

11:38
@FlippedBats: told ya

11:38
benny: huge pitch

11:38
AJ: Best pitch he’s thrown so far

11:38
5 Run Homer: HUGE K

11:39
Joe: Would Dave Cameron walk Murphy here?

11:39
Dave Cameron: Yes

11:39
CarrotJuice: Harold Reynolds made a…good point? This game HAS been full of surprises.

11:40
Chuckb: 2nd & 3rd, 2 outs with platoon disadvantage is about the only time to IBB a batter, right?

11:40
Dave Cameron: Well, excluding when a P is due up

11:40
@FlippedBats: if i told you two years ago that daniel murphy would be IBB’d for Anthony Rendon, you would have laughed.

11:41
Craig Edwards: LI index on Werth PA was 4.14.

11:41
Netflix and Rich Hill: 4.52 LI

11:41
Walrusman: Dave, are you pulling for either team? Who would you rather play the Cubs?

11:42
Dave Cameron: I’m not rooting. Like both teams.

11:42
ChatzMcGee: Kenley Jansen without his command…

11:43
5 Run Homer: 97 ????

11:43
Craig Edwards: is still good enough

11:43
Mike: The movement on that last pitch….

11:43
libre: YAY

11:43
Netflix and Rich Hill: Wow

11:43
@FlippedBats: WOW

11:43
@FlippedBats: awesome pitch

11:43
A Bloo Bloo Jays: Wow

11:43
Sean Dolinar: 1 hour 7th inning.

11:43
5 Run Homer: Oh man

11:43
Alex Reinhart: Jansen does the job..

11:43
Jaime: Whew

11:43
@FlippedBats: 1 hour 6 minute 7th inning

11:43
Aadik: Wow. Werth just needed to make some frigging contact

11:43
Dave Cameron: Jansen is good.

11:43
Netflix and Rich Hill: 6.24 LI on the Rendon PA!!!

11:44
Jaime: This inning made me give up any hope of sleeping tonight

11:44
Ebenezer: I realize it’s an elimination game, but what’s Jansen’s pitch limit tonight?

11:44
Dave Cameron: Can’t see him getting through next two now. Bet he works 8th, then Baez

11:44
Natsurally: In the DC area we keep getting this T Mobile commercial with Harper talking about hitting a walkoff bomb…and it just makes me laugh every time.

11:45
Walrusman: Smoltz in 2004 NLDS g2, pitched innings 8,9,10, 46 pitches

11:45
Ira Bulog: Never understand the thinking of “its ok to walk a batter with a base open but not ok when the base isn’t open” when the end result is the same. do the numbers bear out that in general 1st + 3rd and facing the hitter is preferable to bases loaded with a worse hitter?

11:46
Dave Cameron: There’s a bigger penalty to the IBB when you advance the runner

11:46
Dave Cameron: If he’s already advanced, less of a hit

11:46
Matt: Jansen’s due up 3rd though.

11:46
Dave Cameron: Hmm, interesting

11:47
Florg Dreetham: Jansen had a hit once. 2010.

11:47
Mike: Why use Ross to pinch run when you were gonna bring in Taylor defensively? Why not pinch run with Taylor?

11:48
Joel: Why no Puig there against Oliver?

11:48
Dave Cameron: Last position player on bench, need him to PH for pitcher later.

11:48
HappyFunBall: Taylor is fast but has horrible no good very bad instincts on the bases

11:48
Walrusman: Dusty not trust Taylor.

11:49
Craig Edwards: Jansen was a .229/.310/.337 hitter in the minors in 953 PA.

11:49
@FlippedBats: Rendon has left 22 guys on base this series. DS record

11:50
Dave Cameron: That’s a brutal walk.

11:50
Dave Cameron: With P coming up

11:50
hurricanexyz: is that good enough that bunting is wrong?

11:50
Craig Edwards: no

11:50
Dave Cameron: You definitely bunt here

11:51
cartographer: Great job Kenley. Not pretty but got the job done (unlike Culberson).

11:51
Gavin: Kenley “Better at bunting than Charlie Culberson” Jansen

11:51
Snowflake: Had him at second

11:53
Walrusman: Nearing 4 hours. Over / under 5 if ends in regulation?

11:53
Dave Cameron: Probably close to 5

11:53
baek: who will pitch for dodgers in the 9th? josh fields? kershaw?

11:53
Dave Cameron: Baez

11:54
Dodgers Fan: Maybe I’m alone, but this game hasn’t felt like four hours

11:54
Dave Cameron: I just peed for the first time since the game started so I disagree.

11:55
Dave Cameron: Melancon in the 8th down a run. Even Dusty getting into it.

11:55
Mark: I HATE bringing in a new pitcher and having him IBB the first guy. Let the guy on the way out do it, don’t let Melancon do something screwy and lose the strike zone.

11:55
Dave Cameron: Eh, when has that ever happened?

11:56
Well, Actually…: He’s kinda out of other options

11:56
Alex Reinhart: 39 players used now. Playoff record is?

11:56
Dave Cameron: This has to be getting close

11:56
Ty wiggington: What happens when this goes to extras?

11:57
Dave Cameron: Puig pitches, Nationals play with 7 position players

11:57
Netflix and Rich Hill: Kind of a devil may care toss from Melancon. Exciting.

11:57
Ty wiggington: #puigyourcloser

11:57
Dodgers Fan: #WhyNot

11:58
Alex Reinhart: The Nationals still have Tanner Roark on full rest

11:58
hurricanexyz: three not very scary hitters due up for the Nationals, in what will probably be Jansen’s last inning of work. this feels like it would be a neat spot for the ol’ “stash him in LF for an inning” trick so he could face the top of the order again in the 9th

11:58
Tanner: I’m on short rest

11:59
causation: full rest in 2 minutes

11:59
Ed in Tampa: LA has Stripling

11:59
HappyFunBall: California ballot initiative commercials on a national broadcast?

11:59
Dave Cameron: The state is that pretentious.

12:00
Forkball 4: Come on. LA and SF don’t represent all of CA.

12:00
Well, Actually…: I live in CA, can confirm.

12:01
Matt: Britton “game-used” jersey from WC game up for auction on MLB site: https://twitter.com/connor_guercio/status/786742463226646529

12:01
Mark: I hear Goose Gossage had to walk to the ballpark every day, uphill both ways…

12:01
@FlippedBats: jp howell shaking in the bullpen

12:01
Dave Cameron: Is he having a seizure?

12:02
Justin “Red Dragon” Turner: “Stephen Drew can turn on any pitch on anybody” -Harold Reynolds

12:02
psy jung: Stephen Drew had a good season? how did I miss this?

12:02
Sean Dolinar: Doesn’t CA have a TON of ballot initiatives?

12:03
Ed in Tampa: Not many PA for Drew

12:03
Craig Edwards: Is Cutter City in CA?

12:03
Netflix and Rich Hill: “Only” over 100 initiatives

12:04
ChatzMcGee: Don’t walk Stephen Drew, ugh.

12:04
TOOTBLAN: How do you walk stephen drew?

12:04
hscer: Espinosa sometimes goes for the bunt-for-hit-but-take-the-sac approach in this spot.

12:05
Netflix and Rich Hill: Wow good call!

12:05
Craig Edwards: Drew hasn’t stolen a base since 2014, which might have been when this game started.

12:05
mtsw: i’m not a californian, but i’d instinctively vote against any ballot initiative i saw a lot of television ads for.

12:05
@FlippedBats: #weirdbaseball

12:05
Sean Dolinar: There’s no limit on spending for ballot initiatives…the new market inefficiency.

12:05
Joe: Chance that kershaw pitches now?

12:06
RSOD: what the what.

12:06
hscer: rare bad bunting from him though

12:06
5 Run Homer: Lol

12:06
HappyFunBall: Oh the humanity!

12:06
TOOTBLAN: That was a poopy bunt

12:06
Matt: Well he did throw a clear strike to Drew on pitch #5, so kinda lame he “earned” a walk

12:06
hurricanexyz: …

12:06
aspergillus fumigatus: Is Rich Hill available? He’d be pitching on 6 innings rest.

12:06
Alex Reinhart: middle infielder bunting clinic going on tonight

12:06
@FlippedBats: adrian almost took kenleys arm off

12:07
ChatzMcGee: Oh, Reynolds thinks a stolen base would be a good idea? No way.

12:07
@FlippedBats: sliderrrrr

12:07
Ed in Tampa: 82 MPH , nice

12:07
@FlippedBats: i love it, kenley! mix it up

12:08
5 Run Homer: Why throw over if you’re gonna just lob it

12:09
Craig Edwards: the throw over lob worked. Drew didn’t try to steal.

12:09
@FlippedBats: clayton kershaw is missing alert

12:09
@FlippedBats: clayton kershaw is in the bullpen alert

12:10
RSOD: Just to clarify, this chat is just gonna roll into the ALCS game 1 chat at the end as that game is due to start any second now.

12:10
Dave Cameron: Have fun Craig! I’m going to bed the minute this thing ends.

12:10
Turner for Prez: Dave, it’s like 915 out there!?!

12:11
Dave Cameron: I’m sick.

12:11
Dave Cameron: I’d have gone to bed hours ago if this game wasn’t on.

12:11
Joe McMahon: Jesus Taylor. Calm down that swing.

12:11
@FlippedBats: kershaw took off his hoodie

12:11
@FlippedBats: he’s wearing his pitcher warm up jacket

12:11
Mark: As a Nats fan, the LAST thing I want is Taylor to lead off the 9th…

12:12
Craig Edwards: Nobody will be used to those LI around 1 for the first six innings tomorrow.

12:12
Sean: …isn’t getting caught stealing “giving away an out”?

12:12
senpaisanto: chooch is concussed – puig behind the dish

12:13
@FlippedBats: all i want to see is clayton kershaw closing out this game to emergency catcher easel puig

12:13
ChatzMcGee: I’m not taking Kenley out, he’s still ??

12:13
@FlippedBats: holy crap. andy mccullough reporting kershaw is on the way to the pen

12:14
Aadik: Dave, who do you go with in the 9th inning as the Dodgers? Jansen? Baez? Howell? Kershaw?

12:15
Dave Cameron: Jansen at 37

12:15
Dave Cameron: I’d probably let him start the inning, with Baez/Avilan warming behind him

12:15
Dave Cameron: (Assuming Kershaw isn’t actually available0

12:15
Dave Cameron: If Jansen puts anyone on, or gets up near 50, I’m pulling him

12:15
Well, Actually…: But if kershaw is available?

12:16
Dave Cameron: Well, then, we see how well the best pitcher in baseball can do on 1 day rest

12:16
Dave Cameron: Apparently Kershaw is warming up

12:16
Dave Cameron: So there you go

12:16
Alfonso: Isn’t putting Kershaw in dangerous? Potential for disaster.

12:16
Dave Cameron: All of it is dangerous.

12:17
Dave Cameron: Could be a one out situation.

12:17
Craig Edwards: Be pretty cool if he closed it out though.

12:17
Dave Cameron: Let Jansen get Turner, Kershaw vs Harper, Baez vs Werth

12:17
Dave Cameron: Although the thought of Roberts replacing Kershaw with Baez again is hilarious and won’t happen

12:18
Guest: As a Cubs fan how pleased should I be abt kershaws potential appearance tonight

12:18
Indifferent Jay: Surprised Kershaw is in. Bumgarner-like situation possible but this is only the LDS. Doesn’t seem worth the risk, is it?

12:18
Dave Cameron: I would bet Kershaw asked for this

12:18
Craig Edwards: don’t think it matters for potential next series

12:18
5 Run Homer: I’m legitimately giddy about the possibility of Closer Kershaw. Baseball is cool

12:18
bada bing: It is worth the risk. Win or go home…

12:18
Ed in Tampa: Just because you asked doesn’t mean the answer is yes

12:19
Dodgers Fan: I’m scared, but also curious

12:19
Tacos: When you’re the best pitcher in my baseball it’s difficult to say no.

12:19
Chris R: Give me a 80-90% Kershaw over any of the other nonsense in the Dodger bullpen

12:19
Dave Cameron: he’s probably like 50%

12:19
Grady Little: Pedro asked for it too…

12:19
Dave Cameron: Jansen starting the inning

12:20
Dave Cameron: Probably just for Turner

12:20
Nate: Kershaw can’t possibly be warm yet

12:20
Dave Cameron: Letting Jansen go back out also buys kershaw more time

12:21
Mike: This is going to be awesome, whatever happens.

12:21
Tucker : Big thank you to Heisey for making this all possible. Though I am rooting for LA…

12:22
William Jimmy: I don’t care how it ends, I just want extra innings

12:22
Dodgers Fan: No

12:22
@FlippedBats: i want sleep

12:22
ChatzMcGee: He doesn’t have to come in, guys.

12:22
benny: I need sleep, I can’t afford extras

12:22
Nate: Why is nobody else warming??

12:22
Alfonso: NO EXTRA INNINGS I HAVE AN EXAM TO STUDY FOR

12:22
Jaime: Leadoff walk would be great…. Turner on the base paths right now? Ultimate chaos

12:23
Sean: Apparently Randy Johnson pitched game 3 of the ’95 ALDS (117 pitches) and then 3 innings of relief 2 days later

12:23
Craig Edwards: Jansen hasn’t gotten those borderline calls at the bottom of the zone.

12:23
Bumpy: best dive ever

12:23
Ed in Tampa: That is hustle

12:23
5 Run Homer: Nice try Charlie

12:23
Tacos: Kershaw did have the second (or tied for) most pick-offs this year.

12:24
Bumpy: did turner kick the ball?

12:24
5 Run Homer: Jansen staying in

12:24
Chuckb: Umm…Dave?

12:24
ChatzMcGee: I’m so glad they’re not bringing Kershaw in, just so Harold’s mind explodes.

12:24
Jaime: Looks like it’s Jansen’s inning unless he screws up

12:25
Dave Cameron: If anyone gets on, Murphy up. You’ll see Kershaw for Murphy, I’d bet.

12:25
Marty: Adding to the awesomeness of this inning, the booth is silently stunned by all this

12:25
Hal: Real winner here is the Cubs, right?

12:25
Craig Edwards: We’re the real winner.

12:25
Jaime: We’re the real winners here

12:26
Rick Monday: “Oh this is fabulous.”

12:27
Ed in Tampa: That was a strike

12:27
@FlippedBats: that was a strike

12:28
Chuckb: Harper should run

12:28
Mark: big ups to Harper for not forcing anything there. Takes a lot of restraint as the star player to just spit on 4 pitches and get on base when 1 swing can tie it

12:28
Nate: How is (generic decent reliever) not better than a super-taxed Jansen or Kershaw right now?

12:28
ReggieBar: Wow, Jansen stays in!

12:29
Marty: so…50 pitch jansen > 1 day rest Kersh..I honestly have no idea here

12:29
Dave Cameron: No one does

12:29
Dave Cameron: We have no data on this

12:29
Joel: Gotta figure this is absolutely the last human that Jansen faces tonight

12:29
Dave Cameron: Yep

12:29
Dave Cameron: Kershaw is in for Murphy

12:30
Cory: Isn’t Baez pretty good? Why not just use him

12:30
Dave Cameron: He’s ok

12:30
Dave Cameron: HR prone, which would be bad here

12:30
Matt: Fangraphs Admins … do you run Harper?

12:30
Dave Cameron: No

12:31
Joe: Is Kershaw now out for Sunday too? Even if he doesn’t come in

12:31
Craig Edwards: I wouldn’t think so.

12:31
@FlippedBats: kenley still pumping 96

12:32
Dodgers Fan: Wouldn’t this be like a bullpen session for Kershaw?

12:32
Tanner: Last postseason you remember being this exciting, this quickly?

12:32
Dave Cameron: You don’t throw bullpens on one day rest after throwing 110 on three day srest

12:32
Dave Cameron: The crazy STL/Tex game?

12:32
Craig Edwards: there were 3 game 5s last season, which helps.

12:33
Guest: verducci writing his own narrative on jansen

12:33
Dave Cameron: 52.5

12:33
Sean Dolinar: That HOU/KC game happened too. That was pretty crazy.

12:33
ChatzMcGee: Kershaw time.

12:33
Mags: He is gassed

12:33
Mike: Kershaw.

12:33
hurricanexyz: this is unreal

12:33
Tucker : Two batters too late. Oh well, welcome to your playoff legacy Mr. Kershaw.

12:33
@FlippedBats: KERSHAW TIME

12:34
jd: game 4 KC/HOU and game 5 TEX/TOR last year were probably better than anything so far this year

12:34
Alex Reinhart:

12:34
Alfonso: I know Murphy’s about to rip a double and that’ll be all she wrote.

12:34
natsurally: I like that they’re not going to commercial.

12:34
Nola: Dave, is this exactly how you would’ve played this?

12:34
Dave Cameron: I don’t know, honestly.

12:35
Craig Edwards: they’ve played 4.5 hours. I think they’ve probably fulfilled their commercial obligations.

12:35
Tucker : Win expectancy graph?

12:36
Andrew: We have no idea what Kershaw has in the tank

12:36
Dave Cameron: Yep. This is all just speculative “let’s go with our best guys” guessing.

12:36
@FlippedBats: 95!!!

12:37
Craig Edwards: that was a strike, but catcher had to move.

12:37
Jaime: It would only be fitting to see this game end on an illegal slide at second

12:38
ChatzMcGee: IFFB!

12:38
Chris R: HUGE

12:38
benny: 2 outs

12:38
Alex Reinhart: Everyone who doesn’t have bingo yet can check off infield flyrule now

12:38
5 Run Homer: A little anticlimactic but huge

12:38
Guest: if wilmer difo gets the game winner…

12:38
Cory: Who the heck is Wilmer Difo?

12:39
archer: just like everyone predicted kerhaw vs. difo

12:39
Snacks McCracken: Wilmer Difo was one of the kids in Family Matters right?

12:39
Raindog: Wilmer Difo, you poor bastard

12:39
Chad Schobert: So glad I am not Wilmer Difo right now…

12:40
Guest2: strike two!

12:40
Deece: guy number 25 on the roster vs. maybe the best pitcher ever. Going on 1 day rest

12:40
Nola: What. A. Game.

12:41
benny: I love baseball

12:41
ChatzMcGee: I’m loving this.

12:41
Snacks McCracken: NL playoffs have been some of the best baseball ever. Holy crap.

12:41
PeteL: Good game. Good series. Tough Loss for whoever loses though

12:42
@FlippedBats: my body can’t handle this

12:42
Dodgers Fan: Kershaw <3

12:42
Sean Dolinar: That was pretty.

12:42
Netflix and Rich Hill: Incredible

12:42
benny: CLAYTON KESHAW

12:42
Eric Y: Great series

12:42
AJ: What. A. Game.

12:42
@FlippedBats: the only way to end it

12:42
CJ: That was exciting

12:42
ChatzMcGee: That curve.

12:42
AJ Burnett: Nasty curve

12:43
@FlippedBats: Win: Julio Urias
Save: Clayton Kershaw

12:44
Craig Edwards: 4 hours 32 minutes. That was intense.

12:44
Snacks McCracken: Congrats to the Dodgers. Great games by both teams. I am not a fan of either team but my heart was racing in every game.

12:44
senpaisanto: that curveball right there – postseason legacy

12:44
ChatzMcGee: Seriously, amazing, and I know that’s usually hyperbole.

12:45
Snacks McCracken: Somebody giffify that curve!

12:45
Dave Cameron: Feel bad for the Nationals

12:45
Dave Cameron: Great team, great season, terrible way to lose

12:45
Dave Cameron: But what a series

12:45
Clayton Kershaw:

12:46
Dave Cameron: Okay everyone, off to throw up a quick post and then head to bed. Thanks for hanging out with us all night!

12:46
Dave Cameron: This was a blast.

12:46
Craig Edwards: Goodnight!





Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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sethmokomember
7 years ago

Joined this for the first time. Thanks for doing this. Not a big deal but… My questions seem to be getting stuck in moderation? Am I signed in incorrectly or is this tightly moderated? Just curious

bly
7 years ago
Reply to  sethmoko

These are tightly moderated. e.g. Dave will only post a comment if he can use it as an ally- for his -oop.

sethmokomember
7 years ago
Reply to  bly

Didn’t realize that . Thanks

bly
7 years ago
Reply to  sethmoko

The other possibility is that I mainly say really dumb stuff.

Paul22
7 years ago
Reply to  sethmoko

Well, I guess you can assume someone is reading it, even if it does not get posted. Not sure how valid that is though.

DBA455
7 years ago
Reply to  Paul22

I think the key is hitting the SUBMIT button instead of return.