2017 ALCS Game 7 Live Blog
7:51 |
: Happy Game 7 everyone!
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I am rooting for the
Astros (65.8% | 168 votes)
Yankees (34.1% | 87 votes)
Total Votes: 255
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7:51 |
I think the
Astros will win (57.5% | 138 votes)
Yankees will win (42.5% | 102 votes)
Total Votes: 240
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7:52 |
CC Sabathia will get
0-6 outs (3.4% | 8 votes)
7-9 outs (21.1% | 49 votes)
10-12 outs (37.0% | 86 votes)
13-15 outs (28.8% | 67 votes)
15+ outs (9.4% | 22 votes)
Total Votes: 232
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Charlie Morton will get
0-6 outs (8.4% | 19 votes)
7-9 outs (34.6% | 78 votes)
10-12 outs (30.6% | 69 votes)
13-15 outs (18.2% | 41 votes)
15+ outs (8.0% | 18 votes)
Total Votes: 225
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7:53 |
Justin Verlander
Will pitch tonight if it’s close (49.1% | 118 votes)
Won’t pitch tonight either way (50.8% | 122 votes)
Total Votes: 240
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7:55 |
: Thanks Dave for doing this. Neutral, but love game 7’s. Let’s go baseball.
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7:55 |
: Who would you rather see get their first ring, Kershaw or Verlander?
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7:55 |
: Verlander probably doesn’t have as many more shots as Kershaw does.
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7:57 |
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7:57 |
: Yup.
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7:58 |
: is there any way verlander is going to go 3 starts in the WS given game 1 is short rest away from yesterday already? that’d be 3 in a row on short rest.
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7:58 |
: Nah, but two starts and a relief appearance definitely possible.
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7:58 |
: Thanks for doing this! I know you guys usually get the weekends to enjoy family.
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7:58 |
: Thanks for saying thanks!
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7:59 |
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7:59 |
: If this goes less than 4 hours, I’ll be surprised.
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7:59 |
: We’re going to see a lot of pitching changes, probably multiple challenges, and more mound visits than any game in baseball history, maybe.
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8:00 |
: Girardi left CC in for several batters too long in game 5 against Cleveland. Will he have learned his lesson, or not because they still won?
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8:01 |
: I think the underreported story here is Girardi wasting Green yesterday in a game they lost anyway. So I bet he pushes CC a little too far because he probably doesn’t want to use Green today.
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8:01 |
: Before first pitch, any thoughts on Dusty Baker? Nats aren’t doing themselves any favors in the reputation department…
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8:01 |
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8:02 |
: Dusty wasn’t the reason they lost that series.
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8:02 |
: Could they find someone who is better strategically? Maybe. I don’t know if I trust them to do it, though, and they already had a guy the players liked.
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8:02 |
: Who do the Astros go to first in the bullpen after the Yanks chase Morton?
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8:02 |
: Poll question: Does Liriano get in the game?
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8:03 |
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8:03 |
: Maybe for some left-on-left match-up if Morton goes out really early, but probably not.
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8:04 |
: So to expand on the CC question, with the Astros’ righty-heavy top of the order, would you pull him after he gets through the lineup the second time, no matter what?
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8:04 |
: Pretty much, yeah.
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8:04 |
: I just gotta say….this series has been great….and as a baseball fan, idc who wins…I just want a close exciting game.
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8:04 |
: Yeah
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8:04 |
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8:04 |
: Maybe a bit more than in a regular game?
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8:04 |
: So something like a 5% point swing?
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8:04 |
: Does Girardi use Robertson if, say, Yanks are losing 3-2 in the top of the 4th?
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8:05 |
: If CC doesn’t make it through 4, he’ll probably have to.
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8:06 |
: Okay, real quick before the first pitch.
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8:07 |
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8:09 |
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8:09 |
: I’m working on the pizza now, the nacho dip is ready and the fridge is full. Play Ball!
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8:10 |
: Hello friends
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8:10 |
: That call is going to be nice for Morton if he keeps getting it.
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8:10 |
: Hi Bork
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8:10 |
: And Morton’s stuff looks lively again.
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8:11 |
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8:11 |
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8:11 |
: if morton goes 9 up, 9 down, how long do you keep him in?
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8:11 |
: Probably until he gets in trouble.
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8:12 |
: wheres carson?
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8:12 |
: Probably scouting the statline for AFL players.
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8:12 |
: Charlie Morton sits at 96?!?
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8:12 |
: Welcome to 2017, where everyone throws 5 mph harder than they used to.
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8:12 |
: what mechanical adjustment did morton make for the increased velocity? I dont remember him throwing this hard with the pirates
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8:13 |
: He tried to throw harder. That’s what he says. He just tried, and it worked.
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8:13 |
: You remember correctly Ron. He sat around 92-93 just two years ago
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8:13 |
: Morton’s face is not the face of a large man
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8:13 |
: would you try to steal an inning with devanski at the bottom of the yankees order?
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8:14 |
: I would just trust Devenski because he’s good.
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8:14 |
: That curve was wicked.
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8:14 |
: Is Loftus the new guy?
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8:14 |
: Yes, hi Stephen!
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8:14 |
: He’ll be live blogging with us.
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8:14 |
: That curve ball should be in a museum
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8:15 |
: Hi Dave!
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8:15 |
: Dave, your philosophy with RPs seems to be to trust good track records — a bit more than guys like Hinch and Maddon have been trusting them. But in reading your commentary, you seem completely out on Betances right now, is that right?
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8:15 |
: I’d use him when a few walks can’t hurt you, but his command problems are on another level from most guys struggles.
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8:16 |
: I don’t think you can trust him to throw strikes when you need no baserunners right now.
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8:16 |
: Welcome to the show new guy!
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8:17 |
: 78 on the first pitch from CC? A change?
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8:18 |
: Don’t see first pitch non-fastballs too often.
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8:18 |
: Oh, wait, I missed the first pitch apparently.
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8:19 |
: Remember when CC couldn’t field bunts?
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8:20 |
: Better arm Aaron Hicks or Brett Phillips?
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8:20 |
: Phillips
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8:20 |
: CC going slider heavy early.
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8:21 |
: Lots of 1st-pitch swings
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8:22 |
: Yeah, I think they were expecting HOU to come out swinging, so he came out throwing breaking balls
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8:22 |
: No point in running up the pitch count in a game where no one will hesitate to go to the bullpen
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8:22 |
: Also true.
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8:23 |
: Guess on which batter gets the biggest hit tonight?
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8:23 |
: I’ll guess Correa is the hero.
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8:23 |
: What kind of contract will I get next year?
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8:23 |
: 2/30 about right for CC’s next contract?
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8:23 |
: Brian sounds right to me
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8:23 |
: How do you feel about the CC is 10-0 when pitching the game after the Yankees lose? Totally meaningless or just mostly meaningless?
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8:23 |
: Totally
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8:23 |
: Absolutely and totally.
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8:24 |
: Springer is the best interview after an elated heroic moment so I’m rooting for him
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8:24 |
: Sabathia or Verlander have any chance at the Hall? Or will the voters cling to wins for another few decades?
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8:24 |
: Going to write about this for Monday, I think.
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8:24 |
: I’d vote for both.
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8:24 |
: can we fix the live scoreboard/win expectancy table? it returns an error code tonight
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8:24 |
: It’s being worked on.
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8:24 |
: Well that was some kind of hole.
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8:25 |
: How many people at fangraphs are working tonight?
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8:25 |
: Stephen and I.
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8:25 |
: I’m sure other folks are watching the game.
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8:25 |
: Bird just missed that one.
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8:25 |
: Do the Astros change this 1st pitch swing approach next inning?
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8:25 |
: Yeah, I doubt they’re quite as aggressive in inning 2.
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8:26 |
: If only you and Stephen is working, who’s fixing the live scoreboard?
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8:26 |
: The fearless leader.
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8:26 |
: He’s always working.
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8:26 |
: Gonna be first playoff game ever where both pitchers throw 9 innings on like 48 pitches
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8:26 |
: Great play by Bregman. Thought that was ticketed for left
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8:27 |
: Ah great, Dave’s significantly ahead of the stream. He’s talking about Sanchez slapping a single and I still have the entirety of the two inflatable Orbits dancing.
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8:27 |
: Sorry!
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8:28 |
: Is the strike always wider in the playoffs?
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8:28 |
: No, but zone grows a little bit.
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8:28 |
: Nasty!!!
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8:28 |
: Morton’s curve is on so far.
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8:28 |
: Morton rolling.
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8:29 |
: Easy to see why Astros believed in the stuff despite his results last game.
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8:29 |
: Due to electrons bouncing off each ocher, Castro was technically never on the base and should have been called out.
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8:29 |
: Morton’s stuff is GOOD tonight
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8:29 |
: How many innings does Mccullers throw tonight?
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8:29 |
: I’ll guess 3
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8:30 |
: Saw a ton of Yankee fans on twitter thanking the heavens Morton was pitching. I just thought, “Be careful what you wish for.”
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8:30 |
: Last game was a couple of bleeders and that Frazier fluke.
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8:30 |
: Which SP goes longer tonight? Guy says Morton because of Yanks bullpen
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8:30 |
: Don’t think Yanks pen is as deep as usual last night, with no Green and Robertson getting lit up last night.
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8:30 |
: I think Girardi wants to go CC-Kahnle-Chapman.
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8:31 |
: Stephen, Jeff has said that he believes that Michael Brantley is worth the 10M option. Care to offer a counter argument?
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8:31 |
: CC has a longer leash than Morton, right?
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8:31 |
: Yeah, I think so.
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8:31 |
: I would agree that Brantley is worth the 10M, just don’t think he should have been on the playoff roster
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8:32 |
: That talk about Morton’s pickoff move made me think of a question I’ve had for awhile, it seems like the number of errors on pickoff attempts to second vs the number of actual pickoffs at second makes even attempting it inadvisable, do you know if that’s true?
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8:32 |
: Interesting question.
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8:32 |
: I don’t know.
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8:32 |
: I’m a yanks fan and am thankful Morton is pitching.
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8:32 |
: Tall man!
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8:32 |
: WOW
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8:32 |
: What a catch!
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8:32 |
: OMG
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8:32 |
: damn
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8:33 |
: MVP!
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8:33 |
: Oh my lordy
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8:33 |
: JUDGE. F***ing hell…
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8:33 |
: Robbed it
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8:33 |
: Aaron Judge is good at baseball.
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8:33 |
: Judge is more athletic than you think…
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8:33 |
: That’s expert analysis right there Dave 🙂
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8:34 |
: Please get a membership for more takes like that.
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8:34 |
: Judge 2nd best RF’r in the AL? (behind Betts)?
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8:34 |
: I’d take Judge over Mookie at this point.
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8:34 |
: LOL. Is this just a free online chat basically? Never been on here before. Pretty cool.
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8:35 |
: It’s moderated, so we don’t publish everything that comes in. Think to if more like we all watch the game and react together.
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8:35 |
: Overall: Judge>Mookie, Defensively: Mookie>Judge tho, right?
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8:35 |
: Right
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8:36 |
: Well, we’re like 20 seconds behind you
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8:36 |
: I’m giving myself a little space to try to not be too spoiler-ish.
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8:36 |
: What was the Hit Prob on that Judge catch?
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8:36 |
: 52%
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8:36 |
: What do you think of Girardi using green for two innings last night?
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8:36 |
: Not a fan
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8:37 |
: Dave, what’s your current prediction? Anything in the first two innings that makes you feel any differently?
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8:37 |
: Have been leaning HOU in a close one all day, still that way.
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8:37 |
: Has the use of high leverage relievers in low leverage situations not been pretty absurd this postseason?
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8:37 |
: It has been
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8:38 |
: Would Aaron Judge be a major leaguer 10 or 20 years ago? Seems like the strikeouts would have been too much back then.
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8:38 |
: Adam Dunn had a career.
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8:38 |
: Cc doesnt look good so far
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8:38 |
: Neither has been bad, but Morton looks a little sharper than CC so far imo.
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8:38 |
: Cc is all around the zone tonight. And getting hit. Making me nervous.
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8:38 |
: Oml take CC outtt
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8:39 |
: Yankees or Astros better positioned for the next 5 years?
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8:39 |
: Yankees
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8:39 |
: Marwin missed a cookie there.
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8:39 |
: 85 spinner down the middle.
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8:40 |
: Smoltz disagrees
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8:40 |
: He knows more about pitching than I do.
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8:40 |
: But that looked like a meatball to me.
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8:40 |
: How much of Yankees being better positioned is based on their financial resources.
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8:40 |
: A good chunk of it.
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8:41 |
: And then a dinkier.
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8:41 |
: That felt like good pitching/bad luck for CC
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8:41 |
: 69 mph EV
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8:41 |
: For some reason I think Sonny Gray would really do well in a relief role, nothing to back that up.
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8:42 |
: RE: Betances. I don’t get how you can vouch for trusting Justin Wilson, a guy who walked more than a batter an inning for the Cubs, but not Betances. 17 innings is enough to say that the magnitude of that problem is way worse than Betances’ problems (even if a problem is an undisclosed injury). Neither should be trusted. Recency bias is just as bad as selectively ignoring data because of a long track record.
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8:42 |
: Walks are one thing. Betances is throwing balls to the backstop on the fly.
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8:42 |
: And the Yankees can afford to be picky, because they have a great bullpen. The Cubs did not.
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8:42 |
: Calling my shot, Reddick takes one out to right, 2 rows into the bleachers
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8:42 |
: whew good thing Josh Reddick is batting in a high leverage situation.
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8:42 |
: Reddick’s time to finally shine…?
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8:43 |
: do you think you *do* know more about pitching than some MLB pitchers?
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8:43 |
: Nope.
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8:43 |
: Sigh
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8:43 |
: I must say that so far there is not a single ad this postseason that will stay with me for life like HER FATHER IS THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY or THIS TRAAAAAAAINNN
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8:44 |
: My girlfriend has developed a great dislike for the JD Power Award for Reliability commercial .. “wowwww”
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8:44 |
: Sabathia has only thrown 4 more pitches than Morton but it *feels* like he’s thrown 15-20 more.
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8:44 |
: Do you think this will end up 2-1 or 9-8?
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8:44 |
: 5-4
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8:45 |
: Sabathia’s thrown 11 more pitches than Morton.
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8:45 |
: Josh Reddick, .043 OPS in the ALCS. Could be the Yankees MVP if they win.
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8:45 |
: Yeah, not that Verlander guy. What did he even do?
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8:46 |
: He said “Yankees MVP”
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8:46 |
: Well, yes, that’s a decent point.
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8:46 |
: I was wrong and KaPow is right; I misread the Baseball Savant number.
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8:46 |
: Dirty
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8:46 |
: This zone is Morton friendly so far.
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8:46 |
: Does it seem like Morton’s zone is larger than CC’s?
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8:46 |
: Yep
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8:47 |
: A bit
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8:47 |
: That ball was knee high to a grasshopper
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8:47 |
: McCann secret elite framer?
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8:47 |
: Not a secret.
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8:47 |
: I don’t have sound here; what is the speculation on what the umpire/manager conversations were about?
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8:48 |
: Maybe the gum thing was just grossing Joe out too.
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8:48 |
: The gum
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8:48 |
: Altuve with a nifty play.
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8:48 |
: And Gurriel’s foot almost got wrecked.
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8:49 |
: Not exactly textbook footwork around the bag
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8:49 |
: Headley is slow
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8:49 |
: was his foot on the bag?
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8:49 |
: Looked like it to me
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8:49 |
: Safe
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8:50 |
: They dont have enough to overturn it
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8:50 |
: Probably not indisputable.
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8:51 |
: Does anyone else find it weird that there’s a single replay umpire?
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8:51 |
: There are more in NY
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8:51 |
: We don’t see them all
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8:51 |
: Still a worthwhile challenge.
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8:51 |
: Yup
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8:51 |
: Not sure on the bag but not enough to over turn it
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8:51 |
: Yeah
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8:51 |
: That was a hanger.
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8:51 |
: Morton is pitching well but that could have been hit 1,000 feet.
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8:52 |
: Is there any diminishing returns to expect tonight from the fact that mccullers and Morton are such similar pitchers?
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8:52 |
: They aren’t really.
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8:53 |
: McCullers better against LHPs, Morton is more RHP specialist who is okay against lefties.
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8:53 |
: Charlie morton looks like he sold me weed out of his camaro in high school
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8:53 |
: McCullers’ curve is very different from Morton’s
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8:53 |
: I wish they’d play street rules and allow corked bats and spit balls.
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8:53 |
: Corked bats don’t work!
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8:53 |
: They’re dumb.
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8:54 |
: Is there research on corked bats?
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8:54 |
: Yeah, Alan Nathan has done some work on it.
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8:54 |
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8:54 |
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8:55 |
: Hmm, PDFs seem to be weird here
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8:55 |
: Google Alan Nathan corked bats
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8:55 |
: Coach Dave lets Morton pitch to Judge and then lifts him, or has he shown you enough?
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8:55 |
: I’d probably stick with him until he gets in a jam, but I’d have McCullers ready to go.
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8:55 | : Very cool, also covers humidors and baseballs. If it will post here’s the link |
8:56 |
: Less mass same speed=ball goes less far when struck… its a bad idea
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8:56 |
: Any concern about mccullers on short rest given his health/durability issues?
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8:56 |
: 3 days rest, should be good for a few innings.
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8:56 |
: No one is asking him to go deep
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8:57 |
: They said McCullers has a really long complicated pre game ritual though
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8:57 |
: Yeah, but he could have started it a while ago.
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8:57 |
: Pretty sure he knows he’s pitching today.
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8:57 |
: EV on that ground out?
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8:57 |
: 111!
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8:58 |
: Is CC allowing an inordinate amount of hard contact this game
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8:58 |
: 4 100+ balls hit so far; 3 off Morton, 1 off Sabathia. So nope.
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8:58 |
: You obviously have Savant open during the game. Do you do that just to answer questions or do you learn things from it?
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8:58 |
: Both
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8:59 |
: Tough play, but I think Castro should have caught that.
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8:59 |
: error, imo
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8:59 |
: That would be a tough error.
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8:59 |
: Error to me
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8:59 |
: Okay, I’m a generous grader I guess.
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8:59 |
: E-4
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8:59 |
: Judge would have had to crouch to catch that.
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9:00 |
: base hit
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9:00 |
: Dave is official scorer confirmed
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9:00 |
: hit LOL
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9:00 |
: I would have it as an error, but I’m a tough grader (My students can attest)
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9:00 |
: play that should be made but not an error
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9:01 |
: What do you teach, Stephen?
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9:01 |
: Math and Statistics at a liberal arts college
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9:01 |
: Trouble.
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9:01 |
: CC shouldn’t have much more of a leash here.
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9:01 |
: NY bullpen starting to get loose now?
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9:02 |
: I’m not sure I even want CC facing Correa.
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9:02 |
: Who do you use to relieve CC?
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9:02 |
: Kahnle
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9:02 |
: Sabathia getting squeezed a little, yea?
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9:02 |
: I don’t think he’s getting squeezed, but I think Morton has gotten a more generous zone so far.
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9:03 |
: CC is getting squeezed but he is also all over the place if that makes any sense. He’s not getting any close calls because he also keeps missing his spots by 5 feet
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9:03 |
: Nibbling probably isn’t helping
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9:03 |
: Sabathia gets a call there.
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9:04 |
: He has to nibble. He throws 89.
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9:04 |
: Kahnle finally getting loose. Should have been up a while ago.
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9:04 |
: I think Correa is gonna hit one 450 feet, just feels like it.
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9:04 |
: Would you settle for 45 feet?
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9:04 |
: Huge play
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9:04 |
: Yeah, that feels like a big missed chance for Houston.
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9:05 |
: As a Mets fan, all of this defense is so beautiful i almost want to cry
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9:05 |
: Why not 3rd there?
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9:05 |
: Habit, probably.
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9:06 |
: Wow, that’s huge to get out of that.
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9:06 |
: They dodged a big bullet there.
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9:06 |
: Can probably limp CC through bottom of the order now.
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9:06 |
: But wouldn’t let him face Springer again.
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9:06 |
: The contact management us so key in situations like that
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9:06 |
: This is basically his primary skill these days.
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9:07 |
: The nibbling isn’t great when they don’t swing, but when they do and you get those weak grounders, it’s nice.
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9:07 |
: As a Yankees fan, I can’t believe Houston didn’t score there
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9:08 |
: I really don’t want to have to throw Kershaw Hill and Wood five times against this Astros lineup
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9:08 |
: Judge-Sanchez make you feel better?
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9:08 |
: Dave, do you give any credence to the “Yankees are fun” argument, or should everybody be rooting for Houston in this game?
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9:08 |
: I think people should root for whoever they want. And if you don’t enjoy Aaron Judge, I don’t know what to tell you.
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9:09 |
: It’s fine to both hate the Yankees for being the villain of baseball and acknowledge that this particular group is likable.
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9:09 |
: As a pitcher, how long can Sabathia keep his career going like this? It seems like he could survive more velocity loss, and it wouldn’t change this approach much?
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9:09 |
: If he can keep commanding the edges, he’s got 2-3 years left, probably.
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9:09 |
: Don’t sleep on Greg Bird in the lineup too
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9:10 |
: Bird against those LA lefties less scary.
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9:10 |
: Hate the laundry, not the players
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9:10 |
: Started watching baseball 2013 don’t really understand Yankees as evil narrative.
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9:10 |
: Morton’s curve.
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9:10 |
: Man.
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9:10 |
: Jeez
|
9:11 |
: Wow
|
9:11 |
: This is basically Hinch’s dream scenario, with how well Morton is throwing.
|
9:11 |
: It seems weird that there’s so much vertical drop from that arm angle.
|
9:11 |
: Morton’s averaging 1 out for every 3 pitches
|
9:11 |
: Morton’s stuff looked ridiculous. Historically, has the issue been consistency? Because that’s Kershaw-esque.
|
9:12 |
: Historically, he hasn’t had 97
|
9:12 |
: The velo bump is recent.
|
9:12 |
: Dave you must love Morton. All strike outs and ground balls.
|
9:13 |
: I’d like a better change-up, but the stuff is obviously good.
|
9:13 |
: EV?
|
9:13 |
: 102
|
9:13 |
: 36 pitches in 4 innings!!
|
9:13 |
: Morton getting 2/14 raised some eyerbrows right? Or am I misremembering the offseason
|
9:13 |
: Yeah, they got mocked for that.
|
9:13 |
: I’m pretty sure I remember Heyman calling it the worst signing of the winter or something.
|
9:14 |
: Morton seems like the poster boy for the starting pitcher of the future, velo, good breaker, amazing through 4 or 5 and goes no further
|
9:14 |
: Yup.
|
9:14 |
: Is Morton getting away with some very hard hit balls being hit right at fielders?
|
9:14 |
: Yes.
|
9:14 |
: This is the opposite of his last starts.
|
9:15 |
: Am I wrong or is Morton getting a bit lucky? Yanks have tattooed a couple pitches
|
9:15 |
: Not wrong. 4 100+ mph balls in play so far, Yankees are 1 for 4 with a single.
|
9:15 |
: Hypothetically, if MLB wanted to decrease or reverse the decline of the starting potcher, how would they go about it?
|
9:16 |
: There’s no easy fix.
|
9:16 |
: Matter of time before those hard ones turn into hits or will Hinch not let it get that far?
|
9:16 |
: Would guess Morton is out at the next jam he gets into.
|
9:16 |
: This game is, surprisingly, moving right along!
|
9:16 |
: Yeah, feels like fastest game of the playoffs so far.
|
9:17 |
: What if MLB limited the number of pitchers that could appear in one game? That would theoretically force teams into using a starter.
|
9:17 |
: And then they’d get sued for forcing guys to pitch hurt.
|
9:17 |
: Gattis missed one
|
9:18 |
: If you limit the number of pitchers you will have games ending in ties
|
9:18 |
: Yup.
|
9:18 |
: Cc out next hit he gives up?
|
9:18 |
: Girardi probably lets him give up 2.
|
9:19 |
: Two runs or two hits? Joe can be slow with the trigger sometimes
|
9:19 |
: Two hits.
|
9:19 |
: Would think CC is out on any run.
|
9:19 |
: And there we go.
|
9:19 |
: Played with fire, got burned.
|
9:19 |
: KABOOM
|
9:19 |
: oh baby
|
9:19 |
: GOOD BYE
|
9:19 |
: horrific pitch
|
9:19 |
: Yeah. I sorta called it!
|
9:19 |
: Gattis looks like he made that bat himself
|
9:19 |
: Yahoo
|
9:20 |
: that should be it for CC
|
9:20 |
: OK OUT GOES CC RIGHT
|
9:20 |
: Let him face McCann
|
9:20 |
: What was the EV on that one?
|
9:20 |
: 106
|
9:20 |
: Consequence of having Green not available
|
9:20 |
: Well, Joe wouldn’t have pulled CC with a shutout either way.
|
9:21 |
: That was a good segue for Buck. Oh yeah when he connects they go a long way *dinger*
|
9:21 | : Live data working again! |
9:21 |
: EV = Effective Velocity?
|
9:21 |
: Exit Velocity
|
9:21 |
: Fearless leader!
|
9:22 |
: Okay, walk to McCann. Get him now.
|
9:22 |
: CC has looked pretty terrible this game if we’re being honest
|
9:22 |
: Walking him twice is bad
|
9:22 |
: He’s missing all over the place now
|
9:22 |
: Take him out now please Girardi
|
9:22 |
: You can’t give up a HR to Gattis and then walk McCann. You just can’t.
|
9:22 |
: Sticking with him is not a good call, Joe.
|
9:22 |
: BB Sabathia
|
9:22 |
: Finally getting someone up again
|
9:22 |
: Nobody is even up
|
9:22 |
: Resting the pen for tomorrow.
|
9:22 |
: nobody even up… smh
|
9:23 |
: HE”S A GAMER YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND
|
9:23 |
: Buck just said they’re stirring in the Yankee bullpen, but nobody up yet.
|
9:23 |
: This is rough
|
9:23 |
: I like Girardi, but this is Game 7.
|
9:23 |
: There’s Kahnle
|
9:23 |
: You can’t get beat because you didn’t warm up your elite bullpen in time.
|
9:23 |
: Playing this game like it’s April yikes
|
9:23 |
: MAKE HIM PAY MARWIN
|
9:23 |
: This is game 5 in CLE all over again, except without the 6Run lead
|
9:23 |
: Shouldn’t Girardi always have someone halfway , like gray should be long tossing for the next 2 innings
|
9:24 |
: Yup.
|
9:24 |
: This is 3rd time Joe has been too slow to pen in this series alone.
|
9:24 |
: Probably working on the theory that Marwin is weaker from the right side, but still not a great call.
|
9:24 |
: I don’t see any problem with wanting to hold off on using your elite relievers.
|
9:25 |
: Marwin weaker as a L, and then Reddick? There’s a train of thought there.
|
9:25 |
: CC is so much worse than Kahnle though, that doesn’t offset.
|
9:25 |
: There’s no way he’ll face Springer, is there? Is There?
|
9:25 |
: Managerial malpractice if he does.
|
9:26 |
: …No? You would hope not.
|
9:26 |
: Reddick hit!
|
9:26 |
: If he doesn’t get CC here, Cashman should just go on the field and do it himself.
|
9:26 |
: 3 swings and misses in 63 pitches for cc
|
9:27 |
: Several batters too late, but if Kahnle gets out of this, still just 1-0
|
9:27 |
: That skin flab on CCs elbow they showed in the slow mo is nasty
|
9:27 |
: That’s the CC we expected last start
|
9:27 |
: He didn’t look great today but 1 run in 3+ innings isn’t terrible
|
9:27 |
: Really, this is fine for NY.
|
9:27 |
: Given gap in starter quality, they should take down 1 right now.
|
9:28 |
: Only fine if Kahlne gets out of it
|
9:28 |
: Yeah…
|
9:28 |
: It might be fine, but it doesn’t FEEL fine. That’s what it is to be a fan
|
9:28 |
: Serious question are GMs permitted by rules to make onfield decisions during the game? I realize you were being facetious Dave but is Cashman allowed to pull a pitcher if he wanted to emasculate Girardi?
|
9:28 |
: Haha, no.
|
9:28 |
: If Greene isn’t available today, who will Girardi have to use to get through 5 innings?
|
9:29 |
: Kahnle through the sixth, Chapman in to start 7th maybe, figure out the 9th depending on how Chapman does.
|
9:29 |
: Or maybe Gray in there somewhere
|
9:29 |
: Or Robertson
|
9:29 |
: Adam Warren’s arm hasn’t fallen off.
|
9:29 |
: Wouldn’t use him with big leads, won’t use him today.
|
9:30 |
: Hey look, Kahnle good.
|
9:30 |
: 1 pitch
|
9:30 |
: Way to be, Springer!
|
9:30 |
: Well, that’s pretty great
|
9:30 |
: Kahnle for president 2020!
|
9:30 |
: Very big moment there.
|
9:30 |
: Huh, going to the bullpen works
|
9:30 |
: Astros really going to kick themselves for these stranded runners they lose.
|
9:30 |
: How many pitches does Kahnle have in him tonight?
|
9:31 |
: Probably 40-50
|
9:31 |
: Given his recent work and Joe’s disinclination to let him pitch, what are the odds we see Betances tonight?
|
9:31 |
: 0%
|
9:31 |
: Kahnle has a better pitches:outs ratio than Morton, so shh stros fans
|
9:31 |
: Have managers gone too far towards bringing in starters out the pen and their best relievers to protect huge leads? Even Roberts has done it with Morrow and Kenley so far, and he’s probably the best manager in these playoffs
|
9:31 |
: Yep.
|
9:31 |
: The protect-any-lead method is leading to guys pitching when they don’t need to.
|
9:32 |
: Do you think Yankees still have decent chance to win game today?
|
9:32 |
: Of course
|
9:32 |
: Case in point Ken Giles
|
9:32 |
: still better than having #3 starters facing 30 batters, take the progress!
|
9:32 |
: Yeah, we’re heading towards efficient usage, but new inefficiencies being created.
|
9:32 |
: Ever been to a WS game?
|
9:32 |
: I have not.
|
9:33 |
: And here come the Yankees.
|
9:33 |
: I mean there are other considerations than leverage, I don’t think Roberts would have allowed anyone but Jansen to get the WS-Clinching out for a lot of other reasons
|
9:33 |
: Sure, with the big break coming, that was fine.
|
9:34 |
: Astros should have someone warming from here out…astyoing Bird doubles
|
9:34 |
: Agreed.
|
9:34 |
: Good thing Bird doubled there and didn’t kill the rally with a homerun.
|
9:34 |
: Greg bird is a good hitter
|
9:34 |
: Bunt here?
|
9:34 |
: Eww, no.
|
9:34 |
: Castro should bunt, advance the runner.
|
9:34 |
: Eww, no.
|
9:35 |
: Morton gonna get left in too long too?
|
9:35 |
: Maybe!
|
9:35 |
: castro missed a hanger.
|
9:35 |
: How to bunt; 1: dont, 2: hit a dinger
|
9:36 |
: Castro should get a hit here, score the runner.
|
9:36 |
: Gut feel now – Verlander pitches tonight?
|
9:36 |
: Yes.
|
9:36 |
: Nobody up for HOU is kind of crazy no?
|
9:36 |
: Yep.
|
9:36 |
: Nobody warming? Jeez, why? It’s the fifth!
|
9:36 |
: Overly conservative managing.
|
9:36 |
: Castro should ground into a double play here
|
9:37 |
: Honest question: is there a way to delay the chat for ~15 seconds? I am always behind and it kills the surprise
|
9:37 |
: Scroll up?
|
9:37 |
: Big call there
|
9:37 |
: Big K there.
|
9:37 |
: See, should have bunted!
|
9:37 |
: Castro should have bunted
|
9:37 |
: World Series chat schedule? Every game?
|
9:37 |
: Yep, every game.
|
9:37 |
: Should have hit a dinger
|
9:37 |
: Aarons Hick’s should bunt here
|
9:38 |
: Eww, no.
|
9:38 |
: Aaron Hicks should hit a dinger here
|
9:38 |
: ok then, DAVE, when should we bunt!?!??
|
9:38 |
: Tomorrow, when you’re just goofing off.
|
9:39 |
: Step 1: hit dingers
|
9:39 |
: Yankees haven’t bunted yet and haven’t scored a run yet. Conclusion: Everyone should bunt
|
9:39 |
: There are times for bunting. Late game, when you know one run wins, okay.
|
9:39 |
: Fast guy who can’t hit up and maybe can force an ROE? Okay
|
9:39 |
: Will Harris is alive!
|
9:39 |
: Bunt to beat the shift of deep infielders.
|
9:40 |
: Bunting for hits is almost always fine.
|
9:40 |
: Sac bunting is usually not.
|
9:40 |
: Honestly both teams should have relievers warming at start of every inning here out; all it takes is walk, bloop, blast and game changes
|
9:40 |
: Yep.
|
9:40 |
: BUNT LIKE YU DARVISH
|
9:40 |
: Hinch is gunna be scarred for life if Harris is bad
|
9:40 |
: Seems like this is a realllly slow hook.
|
9:40 |
: Suicide squeeze! More bunts!
|
9:40 |
: Morton has reached the wall
|
9:41 |
: morton is spent
|
9:41 |
: Hanger, missed the zone.
|
9:41 |
: Both managers are racing backwards today
|
9:41 |
: This is the first jam you were talking about
|
9:41 |
: That sinker is not sinking
|
9:41 |
: Holding for the streamers…
|
9:42 |
: (Greg Bird is slow)
|
9:42 |
: Absolutely perfect throw.
|
9:42 |
: What a play
|
9:42 |
: Wow.
|
9:42 |
: Automatic review?
|
9:42 |
: Huge throw!
|
9:42 |
: Yes.
|
9:42 |
: Wow. What a play.
|
9:42 |
: Looked safe…
|
9:42 |
: Should’ve bunted
|
9:42 |
: Wow Bregman.
|
9:42 |
: Stupid sexy Bregman
|
9:42 |
: HOLY HELEN
|
9:42 |
: Bregman? What a play by McCann
|
9:42 |
: Wow that was a risky move throwing home!
|
9:42 |
: clearly out
|
9:42 |
: He wasn’t!
|
9:42 |
: OUT
|
9:42 |
: I can’t believe what I just saw.
|
9:42 |
: mccann losing that arm
|
9:42 |
: I’m gonna cry
|
9:42 |
: They got him!
|
9:42 |
: McCann really redeemed himself.
|
9:42 |
: gusty play to throw home
|
9:42 |
: Awful slide
|
9:42 |
: Bird isn’t a runner, nor a slider apparently
|
9:42 |
: Great play by mccan
|
9:42 |
: what a play
|
9:42 |
: Perfect throw
|
9:43 |
: That play made me appreciate just how good these guys are at their jobs. Wow.
|
9:43 |
: oh good let Morton face a lefty good idea
|
9:43 |
: GREG BIRD GOT THROWN OUT AT HOME IN A CLOSE GAME AGAIN
|
9:43 |
: He basically bunted.
|
9:43 |
: Okay now is the time to bunt, right?
|
9:44 |
: Stop this bunt business lol
|
9:44 |
: Low
|
9:44 |
: Generous again
|
9:44 |
: This strike zone for Morton
|
9:44 |
: That was ball 3
|
9:44 |
: Ump is killing Yanks
|
9:44 |
: That was so low,
|
9:44 |
: Wow. That two seamer got the call
|
9:44 |
: “I don’t think so.”
|
9:44 |
: Pitch framing ftw
|
9:45 |
: Just watched that replay, Bird slide directly into Mccann. He didnt have control of the ball I don’t think he would have tagged him if Bird didnt run into him
|
9:45 |
: This is a strike that’s a strike Im a strike you’re a strike
|
9:45 |
: Morton done after this inning?
|
9:45 |
: Should be, for sure.
|
9:45 |
: 97 down the middle and Headley grounds out weakly.
|
9:45 |
: Lots of good luck for HOU there.
|
9:46 |
: As good as you could hope from Charlie
|
9:46 |
: 5 clean from Morton is a godsend
|
9:46 |
: Can I just say that amidst all this Yankees hate that I really hate the Astros and think they’re a very easy to hate team in general
|
9:46 |
: Bird should at least learn how to slide
|
9:46 |
: Who next? McCullers for three or so?
|
9:46 |
: If Harris is trusted to warm up, he should be trusted to pitch. He’s good.
|
9:47 |
: I bet Morton comes out for the 6th and we all freak out.
|
9:47 |
: You go headfirst on the outside and drop your hand in
|
9:47 |
: You can’t send out Mccullers to face judge, honestly maybe you send in Morton to get judge and then relieve
|
9:47 |
: Or harris!
|
9:48 |
: 2-2 pitch instead of 3-1 makes a difference in Headley contact on the 97 fastball down the middle
|
9:48 |
: Sure, but that was still a hittable pitch and Headly missed it.
|
9:48 |
: Harris will never throw another pitch Dave accept it
|
9:48 |
: He just warmed up!
|
9:48 |
: -2.2 BsR for Bird this year, which seems surprisingly modest at the moment
|
9:48 |
: He only played like 50 games
|
9:48 |
: And he had a .280 OBP. Hard to get low BSR when you’re not on base.
|
9:49 |
: Houston beat writer saying that McCullers is the only guy warming up in the bullpen; thinking that they wanna save Harris for a not-clean inning (probably not the BEST idea, but plausibly what they’re thinking)?
|
9:49 |
: Remember Chris Devinski? that dude was awesome.
|
9:49 |
: Bird had that foot surgery too I bet speed is pretty far down the list of things to come back when you cant run and work out for so long.
|
9:50 |
: Bregman misses 97 down the middle too.
|
9:50 |
: Guys getting away with stuff today.
|
9:50 |
: Remember how nasty severino was out of the pen last year
|
9:50 |
: Nah, he’s already worked a lot this year, protect your young arm.
|
9:50 |
: Morton gets high fives from teammates; could be done.
|
9:50 |
: McCullers throwing means he’s coming in.
|
9:51 |
: Is there credence to saving Harris and Devenski for when other pitchers need to be bailed out? Or is it better to just use them to get some clean innings?
|
9:51 |
: Let’s be honest; Hinch doesn’t want to use them.
|
9:51 |
: He stopped trusting his RPs a while ago.
|
9:51 |
: Little man!
|
9:51 |
: That’s impressive.
|
9:51 |
: MVP
|
9:51 |
: JUDGE NOT TALL ENOUGH
|
9:51 |
: THE TUVE!!!!
|
9:51 |
: ALTUVE!
|
9:51 |
: Altuveeeeeeeeeeeee
|
9:51 |
: Al-2-ve
|
9:51 |
: Boom!
|
9:52 |
: YES!
|
9:52 |
: Even judge can’t reach that
|
9:52 |
: My goodness
|
9:52 |
: LOL
|
9:52 |
: OPPO
|
9:52 |
: YAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSS
|
9:52 |
: Should’ve bunted
|
9:52 |
: EV?
|
9:52 |
: 100
|
9:52 |
: What an amazing player!
|
9:52 |
: His HR yesterday was a 1%’er
|
9:52 |
: That one was legit
|
9:53 |
: My cousin is throwing stuff into the yard now
|
9:53 |
: I literally love Jose Altuve!!
|
9:53 |
: He was almost to 1B when he let the bat go.
|
9:53 |
: Dave, please, where do you get the live EV data?
|
9:53 |
: Wanted to flip it so badly.
|
9:53 |
: Yankees ‘pen running out of steam?
|
9:54 |
: Or Altuve is just good?
|
9:54 |
: Joe is not taking out Kahnle
|
9:54 |
: I wouldn’t either.
|
9:54 |
: Altuve will get hits off good pitchers.
|
9:54 |
: This looks bleak for the Yankees
|
9:54 |
: Still just 2 runs
|
9:54 |
: And Hinch doesn’t trust his pen, so might push McCullers too far.
|
9:55 |
: It’s only the fifth inning!
|
9:55 |
: What’s the Astros win expectancy?
|
9:56 |
: Wasn’t Kahnle touching 99 earlier in the year
|
9:56 |
: 100, even.
|
9:57 |
: Kahnle’s glove just had a seizure.
|
9:57 |
: You could take any three players from these two teams to start your team, who do you pick?
|
9:57 |
: Judge, Correa, Altuve. Pretty easy.
|
9:57 |
: Kahnle channeling his inner White Sox
|
9:57 |
: Perfect execution
|
9:57 |
: Smart play
|
9:57 |
: lucky hit and run.
|
9:58 |
: Adam Warren????
|
9:58 |
: I didn’t know he was still a thing.
|
9:58 |
: Correa’s jump was very graceful
|
9:58 |
: I genuinely gasped
|
9:58 |
: Who would you bring in?
|
9:59 |
: Warren’s fine. He’s good, in fact!
|
9:59 |
: But Girardi has avoided him like the plague.
|
9:59 |
: He’s either saving DRob or last night made him nervous.
|
9:59 |
: The latter, probably.
|
9:59 |
: Everyone has bad outings
|
9:59 |
: Well that wasn’t close.
|
10:00 |
: Would you put Beltran in for Gattis here?
|
10:00 |
: No. Beltran isn’t good.
|
10:00 |
: That looked kind of hittable.
|
10:01 |
: This is a lot of change-upsl
|
10:01 |
: I think Kahnle has lost confidence in his FB.
|
10:01 |
: Kahnle looks very not Kahnle
|
10:02 |
: Not a good take, Brian.
|
10:02 |
: Runner on 3rd, have to swing at that
|
10:02 |
: Changeup = looking for the DP maybe?
|
10:02 |
: Evan*
|
10:02 |
: They’re the same guy
|
10:02 |
: That’s Evan.
|
10:02 |
: They should try to look different then.
|
10:02 |
: Good pitch though
|
10:02 |
: Evan was guessing on a change there?
|
10:02 |
: Maybe!
|
10:02 |
: Or bat with different hands
|
10:03 |
: righty brian*
|
10:03 |
: Gattis is a couple beard lengths older
|
10:03 |
: Nah this is Gattis again, now batting from the other box
|
10:03 |
: Still in it if no more Astro runs
|
10:03 |
: First strike out of a Houston batter tonight. What a stat considering their strike out prone lineup last year.
|
10:04 |
: I don’t think the Yankees actually “fine” with Kahnle struggling this much, John.
|
10:04 |
: So many change-ups!
|
10:04 |
: Kahnle is basically Jamie Moyering it.
|
10:05 |
: And he hung one.
|
10:05 |
: this is bad
|
10:05 |
: Too man.
|
10:05 |
: RIP YANKEEES
|
10:05 |
: RIP Girardi.
|
10:05 |
: yes! yes! yes!
|
10:05 |
: NO
|
10:05 |
: Lol
|
10:05 |
: lol gary sanchez
|
10:05 |
: should have bunted
|
10:05 |
: sanchez cant pick it again
|
10:05 |
: Astros are looking good again
|
10:05 |
: Clutch McCann the last two nights
|
10:05 |
: for once I agree, should have bunted!
|
10:06 |
: WHY O WHY DID GIRARDI USE GREEN YESTERDAY
|
10:06 |
: It’s the mistake no one talked about.
|
10:06 |
: But where did Kahnle’s stuff go?
|
10:06 |
: Legit question.
|
10:06 |
: Kahnle isn’t chopped liver though
|
10:06 |
: He’s not, no.
|
10:06 |
: Game still not over
|
10:06 |
: But it’s definitely not getting any easier
|
10:06 |
: But could have had shorter leash when saw stuff was down if Green available.
|
10:07 |
: Was kahnle exhausted somehow? Guy throws 100 and threw so many changes
|
10:07 |
: Yeah, he lost confidence in FB, which is not what you want in Game 7.
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10:07 |
: A yankee 5 run outburst where mccullers+ cant escape an inning is always an option
|
10:07 |
: Girardi had to use someone yesterday. Why not burn one reliever who can go multiple innings instead of using multiple relievers who may be varying degrees of tired for game 7 the next day?
|
10:07 |
: Burn Warren.
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10:07 |
: Or Garcia.
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10:07 |
: You’re not using them today.
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10:08 |
: Still in the 5th and looks like nothing more from Kahnle, Green or Robertson. Tough to see Houston not scoring more.
|
10:08 |
: Is green better than kahnle
|
10:08 |
: Yep
|
10:08 |
: Warren low-key quite good
|
10:09 |
: WE goes to 94.6%
|
10:09 |
: THE BUNT
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10:09 |
: Always be bunting.
|
10:09 |
: A bunt!
|
10:09 |
: Should bunt again
|
10:09 |
: A bunt!!!!!
|
10:09 |
: Should have bunted
|
10:09 |
: There is your Bunt
|
10:09 |
: That was a very not good pitch by Kahnle.
|
10:09 |
: I would go with “terrible”
|
10:10 |
: “Very not good” is more succinct tho
|
10:10 |
: Latroy hawkins is having a good laugh somewhere
|
10:10 |
: Where does Girardi rank among managers in your opinion?
|
10:11 |
: Top 10
|
10:11 |
: Dave, what’s your walk up song?
|
10:11 |
: The Duck Tales theme song.
|
10:11 |
: It’s amazing how little confidence managers have in perfectly good pitchers, and how much confidence they have in slightly better pitchers to pitch in ways they are accustomed to.
|
10:12 |
Tommy Kahnle: 17 of 25 pitches were changeups. He never threw more than 11 in any other outing this year.
|
10:12 |
: Yeah.
|
10:12 |
: I saw them patting Morton on the back in the dugout. Am I the only one thinking they should keep him in the game?
|
10:12 |
: Possibly
|
10:12 |
: The big question after the game is where Kahnle’s fastball went.
|
10:12 |
: Yes, you are, Endy.
|
10:13 |
: If you throw a change up 17/25 pitches, it’s not a change-up.
|
10:13 |
: I thought I was watching Fernando Rodney.
|
10:13 |
: Given that Kahnle wasn’t feeling right – why leave him out there?
|
10:13 |
: Yup. That’s the story.
|
10:13 |
: And also why you have someone warming up constantly in Game 7s.
|
10:13 |
: I still would say Girardi is quite good in managing RPs during the season. Not burning 1 guy version of Joe Torre, if you don’t mind.
|
10:13 |
: Agreed.
|
10:13 |
: Not quite as good this October.
|
10:14 |
: Endy is not alone, I am with Endy. Go Yankees! Leave Morton in for 9
|
10:14 |
: Think Girard should be back?
|
10:14 |
: If he wants to be, yeah.
|
10:14 |
: No manager is perfect.
|
10:14 |
: Girardi has his warts but he’s more good than bad.
|
10:15 |
: in your opinion, what has been the most perplexing manager decision this postseason so far?
|
10:15 |
: Batting Kyle Schwarber 2nd against lefties, maybe.
|
10:15 |
: What percent chance do we see verlander now that the Astros have padded the lead?
|
10:15 |
: Much lower.
|
10:15 |
: They shouldn’t use him unless its a 1 or 2 run game.
|
10:15 |
: The comeback is on!
|
10:16 |
: Schwarber 2nd was pretty bad against Wood — unconscionable against Kershaw. Still less bad than Werth 2nd / Rondon 6th for entire series.
|
10:16 |
: Top of the 9th, 1 run game, do you bring in Giles or Verlander?
|
10:16 |
: JV
|
10:16 |
: Judge bomb on the way
|
10:16 |
: Judge should try to hit a double. If he hits a HR, the rally ends.
|
10:16 |
: man right down Broadway
|
10:16 |
: Judge took a cookie.
|
10:17 |
: Missed a hanging curve. Exhale
|
10:17 |
: Do homers really end rallies?
|
10:17 |
: No, it’s a joke.
|
10:17 |
: Nobody has ever gotten a hit after some one hits a HR
|
10:18 |
: The homer is the purpose of the rally after all
|
10:18 |
: Where can I get McCullers necklace? Asking for a friend
|
10:18 |
: Off of his neck?
|
10:18 |
: Change up!
|
10:18 |
: McCullers going with the right on right change to Judge.
|
10:18 |
: Wow
|
10:19 |
: Popped up a curve!
|
10:19 |
: Okay, it was a curve.
|
10:19 |
: I was wrong.
|
10:19 |
: Didn’t have much bend.
|
10:19 |
: Wow
|
10:20 |
: Crazy great diving play… and it’s foul.
|
10:20 |
: At what point is the lead big enough to not use Keuchel to make sure he’s fully rested for game 1?
|
10:20 |
: I think being up 4 is close to the line.
|
10:20 |
: If they add on, you go Harris/Devenski/Giles.
|
10:20 |
: One of these days the umpire is going to accidentally punch a player in the face with that “out” motion they make.
|
10:21 |
: Remember when someone said this game was moving right along? One hour and one inning ago?
|
10:21 |
: Dave complemented Yuli, taking screenshot
|
10:21 |
: Mediocre players can make nice plays!
|
10:22 |
: Mediocre players can also have incredible hair.
|
10:22 |
: That curve is not mediocre.
|
10:22 |
: What a curve!
|
10:22 |
: Nasty curve
|
10:22 |
: Ouch
|
10:22 |
: Well, that was odd.
|
10:23 |
: Dumb question alert why is Lance’s breaker not called a SL
|
10:23 |
: Grip.
|
10:23 |
: But it’s why I like the term breaking ball
|
10:23 |
: We don’t really care how the pitcher throws it.
|
10:23 |
: We care what the hitter sees.
|
10:23 |
: That…was close
|
10:23 |
: Also because “sl” is not a word
|
10:24 |
: JV’s improved slider reminds me of Lance’s harder curve
|
10:24 |
: How many more does McCullers go? 1 or 2?
|
10:24 |
: Probably depends on score.
|
10:24 |
: Baseball is fun
|
10:25 |
: Streaming baseball is awesome. Seeing the same 4 commercials for 4 hours a night for 7 games is unbearable.
|
10:25 |
: Too bad, I really wanted JV to pitch today.
|
10:25 |
: Okay, Mr. Friedman.
|
10:25 |
: Dave, do you think Kahnle stayed with off speed stuff b/c he’s too gassed at this point to throw a crisp fastball? Chapman does this with his slider when his heater is (relatively) lacking.
|
10:25 |
: Could be. But hasn’t pitched in a few days. Could be something else.
|
10:26 |
: Can Verlander line up for game 5? I want a Kershaw / Verlander match up.
|
10:26 |
: Would think it’s Keuchel/Verlander in 1/2 if they don’t pitch tonight.
|
10:26 |
: Gurriel had a 118 wRC+ and has an OPS of almost 1.000 for the post season. Keep telling yourself he is mediocre. HAHAHA
|
10:26 |
: Every good argument ends with laughing in all caps.
|
10:26 |
: Well allegedly there’s a bug going around the Yankees’ squad. Maybe Kahnle was affected
|
10:27 |
: Possible. If true, another reason you have to have someone up though.
|
10:27 |
: Should Warren still be out there?
|
10:27 |
: He’s good!
|
10:27 |
: So yeah.
|
10:28 |
: Verlander not going in game 1 after what he’s done?
|
10:28 |
: No point using him on short rest when you have fresh Keuchel.
|
10:28 |
: During the season managers worry about having someone up to often. Girardi certainly does, and it helps in the long run, but NOT IN THE GAME 7.
|
10:28 |
: Right.
|
10:28 |
: Mmm fresh Keuchel
|
10:29 |
: Assuming Astros hang on, will they be the favorite in the WS?
|
10:29 |
: No.
|
10:29 |
: LA best team in baseball.
|
10:29 |
: Will have home field.
|
10:29 |
: And rested ace.
|
10:29 |
: LA will have the better SP in every single game
|
10:29 |
: Yeah, no.
|
10:29 |
: I like Darvish but no.
|
10:30 |
: Hill might be better than Verlander in one-game stints
|
10:30 |
: No.
|
10:31 |
: Your Depth Charts have Hill with significantly better ERA and FIP than JV
|
10:31 |
: League and park adjustments are a thing.
|
10:32 |
: Kershaw > Verlander > Keuchel = Darvish = Hill
|
10:32 |
: I’d probably go Kershaw, giant gap, Verlander, small gap, Keuchel/Darvish, Hill.
|
10:33 |
: I think small gap is better than giant gap. In my humble opinion.
|
10:33 |
: Nah. Kershaw is head and shoulders above every other pitcher.
|
10:33 |
: Jose Altuve, giant gap, other Dodgers hitters
|
10:33 |
: Corey Seager and Justin Turner say hello!
|
10:34 |
: Would Dodgers be better served adding Ryu and starting him G4 and using Wood out of the Pen?
|
10:34 |
: No.
|
10:34 |
: Cingrani/Watson fine as lefty specialists, Maeda/Morrow/Jansen nasty.
|
10:34 |
: By “every other pitcher” you mean in that series right?
|
10:34 |
: Alive.
|
10:34 |
: Scherzer is good. Kershaw is a lot better.
|
10:34 |
: Haha
|
10:34 |
: Good communication fellas.
|
10:34 |
: Nice Springer.
|
10:34 |
: Lucky.
|
10:35 |
: that was… dumb.
|
10:35 |
: Springer just robbed an F7
|
10:35 |
: Literally just dunked on Marwin
|
10:35 |
: Bill James has Verlander and Kershaw tied in his starting pitcher rankings. Kluber is number 1.
|
10:35 |
: Don’t use those, then.
|
10:35 |
: Seemed needlessly complex.
|
10:36 |
: Whose ball was that?
|
10:36 |
: If CF can get there, technically his.
|
10:36 |
: Springer increasing his UZR rating.
|
10:36 |
: Does bill James work for anyone anymore
|
10:36 |
: He’s still with Boston.
|
10:37 |
: Bill James new book about a serial killer from early 1900s is very good, btw
|
10:37 |
: McCullers curve is so tough.
|
10:38 |
: Good night to watch curveballs
|
10:38 |
: Do you root for David Robertson because he has the same name as you?
|
10:38 |
: No, but I do own a Mike Cameron jersey.
|
10:38 |
: Or swing at the them, Stephen.
|
10:38 |
: Fair enough
|
10:39 |
: Where do I get this eugenics?
|
10:39 |
: I didn’t know eugenics were in demand.
|
10:39 |
: There’s a stupid supplement Frank Thomas is pitching called Nu-Genix
|
10:39 |
: Wait, what about eugenics? Did I miss something?
|
10:39 |
: And it’s fun to make fun of the terrible branding.
|
10:40 |
: Frustrating game as a yankees fan – hope my kids are ready to spend two hours at the park tomorrow morning…
|
10:40 |
: Castro overrated and potential trade bait?
|
10:40 |
: Properly rated, not a ton of trade value.
|
10:40 |
: Nothing to do with being a Yankee fan, I’m disappointed we won’t see judge vs kersh
|
10:40 |
: Completely impressed by mcc
|
10:40 |
: Two hours at the park to work on their bunting?
|
10:41 |
: Altuve vs Kershaw will be awesome
|
10:41 |
: The world needs to learn about Correa too.
|
10:41 |
: Hope he becomes a household name.
|
10:41 |
: Is Frank Thomas broke? Why is he selling penis pills?
|
10:41 |
: It’s weird.
|
10:42 |
: If the lead holds, JV solo ALCS MVP, or does Altuve claim a share?
|
10:42 |
: Nah, it’s JV
|
10:43 |
: Does McCullers come back next inning? The man is on it tonight
|
10:43 |
: Yeah, probably.
|
10:43 |
: Up 4, they can afford to hold Keuchel.
|
10:43 |
: If the Astros tack on one more, do you give McCullers the opportunity to bring this on home or save the pitches?
|
10:43 |
: If they add on, he might get the save.
|
10:43 |
: Also, How many people are in this chat tonight?
|
10:44 |
: ~600
|
10:44 |
: We could could hold off two persian armies with this chat
|
10:44 |
: These chats make the game way more enjoyable
|
10:44 |
: Glad to hear it.
|
10:45 |
: The game and chat is so good it’s got my wife following along. Y’all are doing something very right!
|
10:45 |
: Sign her up for a membership!
|
10:45 |
: Dave. How often do you steal the chatters good ideas and pass them off as yours?
|
10:45 |
: This is why I have chats.
|
10:45 |
: “Do you go to ThermopalaeGraphs at all?”
|
10:45 |
: Uh, they didn;t hold off the Persian Army, they lost.
|
10:45 |
: Robertson just Betances’d it
|
10:46 |
: Will there be a chat each WS game?
|
10:46 |
: Yup!
|
10:46 |
: How do you guys monetize chats?
|
10:46 |
: We don’t.
|
10:46 |
: Why isn’t this Chapman
|
10:46 |
: Guessing he goes 8-9
|
10:47 |
: Shouts out to the fg gang for being nice
|
10:47 |
: Can I introduce you to all the people who don’t think I’m nice?
|
10:47 |
: (My two year old likes me. That’s all I really care about.)
|
10:47 |
: 9 ???????
|
10:47 |
: They can’t win in 8
|
10:47 |
: So, yeah
|
10:48 |
: Correa ??
|
10:48 |
: correa is good
|
10:48 |
: Wife not a big fan?
|
10:48 |
: She likes me less in October.
|
10:48 |
: Chapman wouldn’t pitch the 9th if Houston are winning
|
10:48 |
: If Houston is winning after 8 1/2, then doesn’t matter who pitched the 7th.
|
10:48 |
: Yeah, but your two year old also likes Paw Patrol so… low bar, homie
|
10:48 |
: Nope! Super Wings!
|
10:49 |
: How long does Robertson go?
|
10:49 |
: Fair play. Super Wings is legit. Respect.
|
10:49 |
: I’m a fan.
|
10:49 |
: End of this inning or until he gets in trouble
|
10:49 |
: I’d go Chapman for 7 and 8. If they need someone for the 9th, thats a champagne problem with Robertson or Gray/Tanaka as possible options
|
10:49 |
: Robertson against the righties seems fine to me.
|
10:49 |
: He’s good too!
|
10:50 |
: This is a weird thing to nitpick.
|
10:50 |
: Where would the yankees be without the whitesox trade
|
10:50 |
: Out in the WC game.
|
10:50 |
: Chapman also not always lights out when going 2 innings.
|
10:50 |
: managers going overboard with big leads, fans going overboard with picking of nits
|
10:51 |
: Get your kid watching Bob the Builder so he or she can handle the home improvement portion of your weekly chat with Carson.
|
10:51 |
: He likes the song, not the cartoon.
|
10:51 |
: But we do sing “he can do it!” sometimes
|
10:51 |
: It feels like the Yankees have struggled to turn two tonight.
|
10:51 |
: That was not a double play ball.
|
10:51 |
: High chopper.
|
10:51 |
: I’m out of touch with toddler TV shows, but where’s Thomas the Tank Engine?
|
10:51 |
: Creepy as hell.
|
10:52 |
: What do you think Carson is doing right now?
|
10:52 |
: 10:52 pm? Sleeping.
|
10:52 |
: Or yelling at his kid for stopping him from sleeping.
|
10:52 |
: More likely to reach the HOF someday: Altuve or Correa?
|
10:52 |
: Correa
|
10:52 |
: What are the Dave Cameron adjusted odds for the Yankees to win from here?
|
10:52 |
: 5%
|
10:53 |
: Real baseball fans don’t sleep in October
|
10:53 |
: It’s debatable whether Carson actually likes baseball.
|
10:53 |
: What’s Eno drinking tonight?
|
10:53 |
: An IV, I think.
|
10:53 |
: why is it higher than WP of 3.3%
|
10:54 |
: Because Hinch doesn’t trust his bullpen.
|
10:54 |
: Carson seems like the kind of person who likes baseball solely for its existence as a thought experiment.
|
10:54 |
: Gonna be awesome when Eno goes to WS and gives Kershaw some kind of stomach bug.
|
10:54 |
: Kid book rec: Hector the Collector
|
10:54 |
: Will check it out!
|
10:55 |
: Current favorite is Randy Riley’s First Home Run
|
10:55 |
: seeing your Cubs post yesterday has 179 comments so far. What’s the record for most comments in a post?
|
10:55 |
: The one where I announced I had cancer got like 600
|
10:55 |
: Does this chat contain multitudes? Asking for a friend
|
10:55 |
: Was Carson part of the original FG crew? Is he a lifer?
|
10:55 |
: No.
|
10:56 |
: OG FanGraphs writers were me, Marc Hulet, and Eric Seidman
|
10:56 |
: Well, and Appelman
|
10:56 |
: I’d pull him now.
|
10:56 |
: Does Appleman ever write anything?
|
10:56 |
: Code.
|
10:57 |
: The strike zone in this game is less accurately called than typically. True or false?
|
10:57 |
: True
|
10:57 |
: Will Harris again!
|
10:57 |
: We might see him!
|
10:57 |
: And Adam Warren on the same night!
|
10:58 |
: What FG writer and what non-FG baseball writer do you get most excited to read their work?
|
10:58 |
: Sullivan, Brisbee.
|
10:58 |
: Will harris looks like he is a stingy tipper at his local Applebee’s
|
10:58 |
: Just a note that per Brooks’ strike zone chart, this game is being called pretty accurately
|
10:59 |
: does Brisbee win the award for Most Recognizable Writing When You Don’t Read the Byline?
|
10:59 |
: Him, Jeff, or Sam Miller.
|
10:59 |
: That curve.
|
10:59 |
: It’s unfair.
|
10:59 |
: In retrospect Chase Headley was not a very good DH.
|
11:00 |
: Do you keep in touch with the FG writers who’ve moved on such as Kiley or August? Or are they pretty tight lipped?
|
11:00 |
: We chat, but I make a point of not asking them for inside info.
|
11:01 |
: Don’t let Headley’s troubles make you forget that Ryan Theriot was the DH for a world series clinching game.
|
11:01 |
: Seeing that replay again, the bat would have interfered with Greg Bird doing the head first slide to the back of the plate.
|
11:01 |
: Sam Miller is on it!
|
11:01 |
: Okay, Judge, last chance to make this interesting.
|
11:02 |
: Fastball, homer, calling ir
|
11:02 |
: I like the probability of a strikeout here.
|
11:02 |
: Does Lance throw a FB this PA?
|
11:02 |
: Is Judge officially the face of baseball?
|
11:02 |
: The shoulders, at least.
|
11:02 |
: That curve.
|
11:03 |
: Strasburg change-up/McCullers curve 2020
|
11:03 |
: Jeez
|
11:03 |
: LMJ, OMG.
|
11:03 |
: Shoulda bunted.
|
11:03 |
: Motherofgod meme
|
11:03 |
: That’s just not fair
|
11:03 |
: It’s maddening. Shouldn’t Judge know it’s a curve? All McC throws is curves!
|
11:03 |
: Game feels over.
|
11:03 |
: Beautiful.
|
11:03 |
: maybe McCullers should go full Rich Hill
|
11:03 |
: Dominated
|
11:04 |
: McCullers for the 9th!
|
11:04 |
: if there’s ever a time to guess breaker…
|
11:04 |
: Does… does McCullers come for the 9th?
|
11:04 |
: With two lefties due up? I would.
|
11:04 |
: I second the mccullers for the ninth
|
11:04 |
: Wow the Astros might only need two pitchers tonight
|
11:05 |
: Call me crazy, but I wouldn’t mind throwing Harris, tbh.
|
11:05 |
: If it’s any RP, it’s probably Giles
|
11:05 |
: Could this game have gone any better for the Astros from a pitching perspective?
|
11:05 |
: Nope.
|
11:05 |
: How fast do you type, Dave? Just out of curiosity
|
11:05 |
: I haven’t tested it in a long time. 100ish.
|
11:05 |
: Why swing at 14 straight curves
|
11:05 |
: Because it probably looks like a strike?
|
11:05 |
: Hitting baseballs is hard.
|
11:06 |
: Especially when thrown like McCullers’ curve
|
11:06 |
: Especially swervy ones
|
11:06 |
: The phillies dh’d Chris Coste in game 1 of the ‘08 series, dont remember being upset about this
|
11:06 |
: Giles or JV if McCullers gets into trouble if he starts 9th?
|
11:07 |
: Giles
|
11:07 |
: Up 4, you don’t use JV
|
11:07 |
: This may not be a big deal but how does a TCU/Kansas football game get shown on Fox and a game 7 ALCS gets FS1?
|
11:07 |
: Because Fox is using this to push cable companies to carry FS1
|
11:07 |
: So they get more carriage fees
|
11:07 |
: Now my wife is angry at me for being happy that the Yankees are about to lose.
|
11:08 |
: does Judge bat second two years ago? five?
|
11:08 |
: No
|
11:08 |
: Why no Chapman?
|
11:08 |
: I don’t know.
|
11:08 |
: Fine with Robertson for the 7th, but this is weird.
|
11:08 |
: It’s called giving up, Dave
|
11:08 |
: Playing for extra innings I guess
|
11:08 |
: Do you feel Altuve and Correa should hit 2/3 or is splitting up handedness really that valuable?
|
11:09 |
: Astros don’t have any LHBs that should hit that high.
|
11:09 |
Of the Astros/Dodgers/Yankees how would you rank their analytics departments (if such a thing can be done?) |
11:09 |
: It hasn’t been silent.
|
11:09 |
: They’ve had a huge department forever.
|
11:10 |
: We don’t know enough to rank those departments at this point, but all three use them extensively.
|
11:10 |
: The Yankees don’t get enough credit for their department.
|
11:10 |
: Turns out rich teams can hire a lot of people
|
11:10 |
: I’m trying to convince myself it’s alright, I didn’t expect the Yankees to get this far, good sign for the future.. not working
|
11:10 |
: Your future is bright.
|
11:10 |
: Who would you rather have for whole career, Correa or Seager?
|
11:10 |
: Correa
|
11:10 |
: Astros analytics head Mejdal a few years ago told me that it was getting impossible to compete with the Yankees because they could outspend both on the player side and on the analytics
|
11:11 |
: It’s not true yet.
|
11:11 |
: We might be getting there though.
|
11:11 |
: If one were to write articles on FG community that you considered good enough quality that they would be worth publishing on FG itself, how long/how many articles would one have to do that for before they were considered to get hired? Or would you value paid work on another platform more?
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11:11 |
: August wrote like 4 or 5 community posts before I was like “you’re hired”
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11:12 |
: How close are you on Correa/Seager?
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11:12 |
: Close-ish. Maybe 65/35.
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11:12 |
: damn, i’m in the double digits and no one’s talked to me yet
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11:12 |
: August was probably not normal.
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11:13 |
: I don’t understand how a team could ‘outspend’ others on analytics, these people aren’t paid 7 figure salaries.. all MLB owners can afford top notch analytics
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11:13 |
: The type of people getting hired in MLB R&D departments is changing.
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11:13 |
: They’re competing with Google/Apple/Facebook now.
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11:13 |
: Guys who know Machine Learning don’t take 40K
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11:14 |
: He basically wrote three articles for real fangraphs before the brewers were like “you’re hired”
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11:14 |
: Nah, we had August for a year, then he went to MLB.com, then came back for another year.
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11:14 |
: But he was always too good to keep.
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11:14 |
: What about women who know Machine Learning?
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11:14 |
: Poor phrasing on my part.
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11:15 |
: I work as a recruiter- the guys with MLB baseball operations on their resume used to be guys who played, but now are very impressive STEM doods from top top schools who will command 6 figures straight out of undergrad regardless
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11:15 |
: Yup.
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11:15 |
: Pretty much
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11:15 |
: Okay, two outs to go.
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11:15 |
: LMJ has been something else.
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11:15 |
: Morton got a little lucky. McCullers has been lights out.
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11:16 |
: McCullers vs. Hill – Curveball galore?
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11:16 |
: Hill is using them less lately.
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11:16 |
: How much do teams care that an analyst like August is a also really good writer?
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11:16 |
: Communication skills a real plus. Writing less so.
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11:17 |
: If LMJ finishes this he’d qualify for the save. One of the best saves ever, considering context, amirite?
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11:17 |
: Yeah
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11:17 |
: Curve, K.
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11:17 |
: Rinse, repeat.
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11:18 |
: Damn
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11:18 |
: It’s the necklace
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11:18 |
: Jeez, just don’t swing
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11:18 |
: We were considering all the aces that would pull a Bum, and in the end it was Lance Mccullers. Baseball, you’re funny
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11:18 |
: he’s throwing about 75% curves
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11:18 |
: LMJ on another planet
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11:18 |
: Tougher than a two dollar steak.
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11:18 |
: Does McCullers throw something that isn’t a curve?
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11:18 |
: Fastballs, sometimes.
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11:18 |
: Implying that McCullers doesn’t have Ace stuff
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11:18 |
: Just turn McCullers into a reliever out of the pen
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11:18 |
: I think they just did
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11:18 |
: I think he’s thrown four fastballs? Five?
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11:19 |
: Congrats, Houston!
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11:19 |
: Hell of a game from Lance McCullers.
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11:19 |
: The Yankees had a great year.
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11:19 |
: They’ll be back.
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11:19 |
: But the Astros deserved this.
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11:19 |
: Woohoo
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11:19 |
: I was hoping Gonzalez would run in front of Springer to catch it.
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11:19 |
: Beltran better get his ring.
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11:19 |
: good game Houston, better luck next year, New York. 🙁
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11:19 |
: There’s always next year.
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11:19 |
: Under four hours!!!!!!
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11:19 |
: Kinda sucks for Charlie Morton we’re barely gonna remember the start.
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11:19 |
: Should have bunted…
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11:19 |
: Thank you Dave and Steven
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11:19 |
: Thanks for hanging out, everyone!
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11:19 |
: See you Tuesday for the World Series!
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11:20 |
: Thanks everyone!
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Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
Duh, I told you dey should fire Girardi !! He’s a bum !! The boss would have fired him in Cleveland.