2024 Trade Value: Nos. 31-40

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As is tradition at FanGraphs, we’re using the lead-up to the trade deadline to take stock of the top 50 players in baseball by trade value. For a more detailed introduction to this year’s exercise, as well as a look at the players who fell just short of the top 50, be sure to read the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, which can be found in the widget above.

For those of you who have been reading the Trade Value Series the last few seasons, the format should look familiar. For every player, you’ll see a table with the player’s projected five-year WAR from 2025-2029, courtesy of Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections. The table will also include the player’s guaranteed money, if any, the year through which their team has contractual control of them, last year’s rank (if applicable), and then projections, contract status, and age for each individual season through 2029 (assuming the player is under contract or team control for those seasons). Last year’s rank includes a link to the relevant 2023 post. Thanks are due to Sean Dolinar for his technical wizardry. At the bottom of the page, there is a grid showing all of the players who have been ranked up to this point.

One note on the rankings: Particularly at the bottom of the list, there isn’t a lot of room between the players. The ordinal rankings clearly matter, and we put them there for a reason, but there isn’t much of a gap between, say, the 38th-ranked player and the 60th. The magnitude of the differences in this part of the list is quite small. Several of the folks I talked to might prefer a player in the honorable mentions section to one on the back end of the list, or vice versa. I think the broad strokes are correct, and this is my opinion of the best order, but with so many players carrying roughly equivalent value, disagreements abounded. I’ll note places where I disagreed meaningfully with people I spoke with in calibrating this list, and I’ll also note players whose value was the subject of disagreement among my contacts. As I mentioned in the Introduction and Honorable Mentions piece, I’ll also indicate tier breaks between players where appropriate, both in their capsules and bolded in the table at the end of the piece.

With that out of the way, let’s get to the next batch of players.

Five-Year WAR 15.3
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank #38
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 24 2.6 Pre-Arb
2026 25 2.9 Arb 1
2027 26 3.2 Arb 2
2028 27 3.2 Arb 3
2029 28 3.4 Arb 4
Pre-Arb
Arb

This next group of three players all play plus defense at shortstop, which goes a long way towards having teams interested in you. That said, I have some fairly serious questions about one part or another of each of their profiles, which holds their value back for me. Neto is a good example of that. There’s a lot to like here: He’s young, he has five years of team control remaining, and he’s had shockingly few hiccups in his game despite tearing through the minors at a breakneck pace before establishing himself in the majors.

One thing that consistently came through when I talked to team sources is that they like Neto’s defense better than I do, which is something I tend to put more stock in when I hear it a few times. Statcast and DRS disagree here, with the former thinking he’s below average in the field and the latter thinking he’s spectacular. Baseball Prospectus agrees with DRS. Neto looks the part, though that’s obviously a fickle indicator. Let’s split the difference and call him a 60 defender at shortstop.

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I’m not in love with Neto’s offensive game, but that’s not to say it’s bad. It’s just unexciting; he hits for enough power to get by, doesn’t strike out too much, and doesn’t hurt or help himself with his baserunning. If he’s batting ninth in your lineup, you probably have a great offense. If he’s batting fourth, you might have a problem.

This is one of the picks where I was most influenced by others; I didn’t have Neto in my top 50, but people I talked to made some compelling arguments on the defensive front. Teams value truly excellent up-the-middle defense that comes at a reasonable cost quite highly and so do I. I know that every year people look at these lists and think “Him?!” And I’m kind of with you! Zach Neto?! But a 3-4 WAR player making peanuts is attractive, and there’s the added bonus that despite being hard to measure, defensive ability is pretty stable. Your defense doesn’t really get “figured out” by an opposing hitter the way a dastardly slider might. The opposing team can’t pick on your weak point to neutralize your strengths. If you can pick it, you can pick it – and it looks like Neto can pick it.

Five-Year WAR 17.8
Guaranteed Dollars $61.8 M
Team Control Through 2031
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 23 3.1 $4.2 M
2026 24 3.3 $5.2 M
2027 25 3.7 $8.2 M
2028 26 3.8 $11.2 M
2029 27 3.9 $14.2 M

Now here’s a guy who no one I talked to has any defensive questions about. Tovar is part ballerina and part sorcerer in the field, pairing precise footwork with prescient instincts. He’s one of the best defenders in baseball, period, and he’s only 22. You can pencil in years of highlight-worthy plays and sensational range here.

You can also pencil in an outrageous amount of team control at a reasonable rate. Tovar signed a seven-year, $63.5 million extension with a club option tacked on this past offseason, so he’ll be around through his age-29 season at rates that won’t break the bank. A league average hitter with transcendent defense like Tovar’s is roughly a four-win player annually.

Now, about that “league average hitter” part: I don’t see it yet. Coors Field always makes hitter evaluation difficult – Tovar already has 16 homers this year! – but I won’t mince words; his approach and batting eye just aren’t good enough. We’re talking about a guy who is theoretically a contact hitter and is running a 20% swinging strike rate. He’s been an average bat this year, and I really liked his potential as a prospect, but I look at his swing decisions and cringe.

The reason Tovar is on the list is that he could be a 90 wRC+ true talent hitter and still put up 3-4 WAR every year (look at those ZiPS forecasts, for example). Two team sources were meaningfully higher on him than I was, though I don’t think that’s a universal view. I was specifically asking for feedback on my rating of defense-first hitters, and he’s a good poster boy for that group, so I’m sure I got more Tovar comments than I would have otherwise. The point is, plenty of front offices covet this combination of skill set and team control, and I would too if I were in their shoes.

Five-Year WAR 16.5
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank #27
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 24 3.0 Pre-Arb
2026 25 3.2 Arb 1
2027 26 3.4 Arb 2
2028 27 3.5 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

Volpe is a hugely divisive player to fans. His game is less contentious among talent evaluators; they consistently have him ranked higher than I do here. Volpe is a wonderful defender, with great reads, great range, and a quick release that offsets his below-average arm strength. The eye test and every statistical model agree that he’s an asset in the field. His style is less graceful than Tovar’s, but that doesn’t mean it counts less.

The place where I disagreed with my (wonderful, estimable, thanks so much for your help) sources is the bat. I’ll give it to you straight: Volpe hasn’t hit in the big leagues. I’m not convinced that he will. As a prospect, I was enamored with his ability to max out his power with a fly ball-oriented approach, but that’s all but disappeared in the majors, where he’s hitting a ton of grounders and leaning into his contact skill. The result is a hitter completely stuck in between; I watch Volpe and wonder how in the world this guy hit so well only two years ago.

Last year, I ranked Bobby Witt Jr. around this spot on the list (whoops!). To that point in his major league career, he was hitting .255/.296/.436, good for a 98 wRC+. Now he’s one of the best hitters in baseball. Talented prospects figure it out all the time (Witt was a better prospect than Volpe, but Volpe was no slouch on that front, a 60 FV here and similarly rated elsewhere). I think the main disconnect between me and the people I talked to is that I’m harsher on players who haven’t yet performed at the major league level (boy, get ready for that criticism to come back in the next group).

It’s entirely possible that I’m wrong in the same way about Volpe, but if I were a GM, I’d want him to prove that he’s going to be an impact bat before I valued him much differently than Tovar and Neto.

Five-Year WAR 20.2
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2030
Previous Rank HM
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 21 3.3 Pre-Arb
2026 22 3.7 Pre-Arb
2027 23 4.1 Pre-Arb
2028 24 4.4 Arb 1
2029 25 4.7 Arb 2
Pre-Arb
Arb

The next three players on the list are sure to elicit some strong opinions, so let me lay out my thinking here before getting into specifics. I think that all three, and the players who fit this archetype generally, have more abstract “expected value” than the players around them on the list. I also think that the nature of that expected value makes it unlikely that teams would offer full freight for them.

There are two reasons to engage in a trade: to make your team better right now in pursuit of a championship, or to accumulate good contracts to help you win one later. Both are valid, but they work pretty differently. If you’re trading for someone who can help you right now, you can give away some future value and have the whole thing still add up. A failed but useful example of this, from a trade value perspective, is the Padres/Nationals Juan Soto deal. Going the other direction, there was Chris Sale to Boston, a trade that worked out incredibly well for the Red Sox.

Imagine trading for Holliday that way. You can’t! The Orioles are trying to win a championship this year, and they don’t think Holliday fits in the major league puzzle just yet. Obviously they think he will before long, but the proof is in the pudding here. No one’s going to work up an enormous Godfather offer for a guy who hasn’t succeeded in the big leagues yet, a player who a championship contender playing Jorge Mateo at second base can’t find a spot for.

The teams that want Holliday are the asset accumulators. The problem with that is that those teams try to win trades, not just break even. How else do you accumulate? My feeling is that the bids for Holliday would all be trying to buy the dip, not offering the maximum amount they could stomach because of need. I’d do the same if I were a GM. That’s a recipe for lower trade value, even if I think that 100 games of solid major league performance would flip the script considerably.

Now, a few words about Holliday himself: He’s not as universally loved as most top prospects are because his offensive production is shaped weirdly. It’s very walk-and-strikeout heavy, with less power than you’d hope for. I expect that to come around, because his frame and swing suggest room for improvement, but his brief major league stint certainly didn’t quiet questions about his approach. For a top prospect, there’s a ton of risk here. I think ZiPS is right, of course, and he’ll be an All-Star at peak, but I would not be falling all over myself to trade for him right at this moment.

Five-Year WAR 14.5
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 23 2.6 Pre-Arb
2026 24 2.9 Pre-Arb
2027 25 3.0 Arb 1
2028 26 3.1 Arb 2
2029 27 2.9 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

I had Langford behind Holliday before soliciting feedback, and I still don’t feel confident about the order here. Everyone loves Langford’s ridiculous, top-of-the-scale raw power, and he might be a plus corner outfielder instead of the DH/liability everyone expected. The problem is, he’s just not hitting. Now just over 300 plate appearances into his big league career, he’s running a 5.4% HR/FB and a below-average barrel rate, and you can’t blame all of that on a hamstring injury that cost him three weeks of playing time in May. Where’s the exit velo god we were promised?

I don’t have a great answer for you aside from “just let him play for a while and see.” He looks the part. Langford is hitting cleanup for the reigning World Series champs. You’d be crazy not to bet on him figuring it out. His brief minor league career was so scorching hot that discounting his early major league struggles is an eminently reasonable view. The projections are dragged down a bit by how bearish ZiPS is on his defense, but they’re still nice. I think that on the team side, a lot of orgs see him as significantly better than this.

That said, how much are you giving up for Langford right this minute? If you’re rebuilding, the math doesn’t add up; he’s in the majors right now and in theory a lot of his value should come in the next 2.5 years. If you’re contending, well, he’s hitting worse than Volpe so far this year, and he isn’t a 65 shortstop defender. His bat is likely to be far better in the long run, which nudges him ahead of Volpe in my mind, but he’s just not someone a contender could plug into the top of their lineup today. Langford is getting squeezed by the way I’ve constructed this exercise, not because he’s bad. I just don’t see myself backing up the truck for him if I’m a GM, though some of the people I talked to said that they’d be comfortable doing so.

Five-Year WAR 15.3
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2030
Previous Rank #50
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 22 2.4 Pre-Arb
2026 23 2.8 Pre-Arb
2027 24 3.1 Pre-Arb
2028 25 3.5 Arb 1
2029 26 3.6 Arb 2
Pre-Arb
Arb

Same song, different verse here. Wood’s upside is almost incalculable. His performance in Triple-A this year was downright silly. He somehow walked almost as much as he struck out – at 21 – while slugging .600. His power makes seasoned talent evaluators giggle uncontrollably. My irresponsible cross-sport comparison du jour is peak Ben Wallace; just an absolutely massive and explosive athlete with a shocking amount of fine motor control for his size.

Wood’s major league track record is short enough that I wouldn’t feel comfortable slotting him into the middle of a contending team’s lineup just yet. He looks indecisive to me; he’s swinging less than I’d expect and missing a lot when he does. Honestly, I’m surprised it hasn’t been worse; the guy is shockingly young and riding a rocket ship through advanced levels of competition. His defense is a work in progress, too.

I think that Wood is likely to finish the year around replacement level. The thing is, I also think that he’s likely to finish several campaigns in the next five years with 5+ WAR. He’s my favorite prospect in baseball, and when he graduates, he’ll be one of my favorite young players. The Nats aren’t going to trade him because he’s a perfect fit for their competitive timeline, and I love that they put him in the majors as soon as it looked like he could hang. Like Holliday and Langford, I think Wood’s trade value is low right now relative to what it will be because the teams that would look to add him are probably playing for the future. I just want to note that he’s my favorite member of this trio by a good deal, almost (but not quite) enough that I put him in a separate tier.

Five-Year WAR 18.4
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 25 3.8 Pre-Arb
2026 26 3.8 Arb 1
2027 27 3.7 Arb 2
2028 28 3.7 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

I might just be bad at judging the catcher position, at least when it comes to trade value. It’s hard to overstate how much value a good catcher can add. WAR does a good job of it, but well, everyone tends to discount catcher WAR because it puts so much value on defense. If you look at the truly terrible hitters that smart teams are willing to play at catcher, it seems clear that they agree. On the other hand, catching has a brutal attrition rate; the guys who were good five years ago mostly aren’t anymore. It’s quite the pickle.

Anyway, let’s talk about Gabriel Moreno! He might be an excellent defensive catcher. He’s a good receiver. He’s one of the best in baseball at controlling the running game. He’s athletic and young. He’s almost certainly an above-average hitter, too; he has excellent bat control, a solid approach at the plate, and average power. It’s not quite the same, but Yasmani Grandal springs to mind as an overall value comp; plus-plus defense and plus offense, even if the offense is weirdly shaped at times.

Why didn’t I jam him even higher on the list, then? Moreno is the start of a tier that extends through the rest of today’s players and into tomorrow’s: solid players at up-the-middle positions who fall short of being gamebreaking at any one thing. Moreno will be around for a long time. He won’t cost you much. He’s a borderline All-Star. He’s just not a superstar, and I don’t think it’s likely that he’ll become one.

The players in this group are all the building blocks of great teams, and in ways that teams like: They’re young, cost-controlled, and occupy tough positions. Nearly every player ranked higher than the guys in this tier has contended for a major award in either 2023 or 2024. This general area is as high as I can go for this style of player without seeing a further breakout. In my mind, that’s a pretty big compliment.

Five-Year WAR 15.3
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank #23
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 23 2.5 Pre-Arb
2026 24 2.8 Arb 1
2027 25 3.0 Arb 2
2028 26 3.3 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

I’m not completely sure what Alvarez’s carrying tool is. He socked 25 homers in 423 plate appearances last year, but his raw batted ball data isn’t nearly as flattering. He has a cannon arm and great pop times, but he hasn’t controlled the running game particularly well. He might be a great receiver, but he might be an equally awful blocker.

His career line – .230/.305/.446 with 30 homers in 600-ish PAs – is that of a slightly above-average hitter. I think the Mets would be ecstatic with that; it’s hard to get solid offensive production out of a plus defensive catcher. To give you an idea of how much that matters, consider the case of Logan O’Hoppe, someone who would have made my honorable mentions list if I expanded it a bit more. He has a similar number of defensive innings to Alvarez since the start of 2023, and we think he’s been 20 runs worse defensively. Twenty! That’s two wins and then some. O’Hoppe has a 120 wRC+ to Alvarez’s 108 over that time frame. That’s something like seven runs of difference, a third of the defensive gap. Defense is underrated.

I was lower than most of the people I polled on Alvarez, in fact, and I think it’s because I’m skeptical that he’ll continue to be this good defensively. If he’s as good of a defender as Moreno – he’s graded out better thus far – he should be 10 spots higher on this list. He’s 22 and will be around for four more years. I just think his defense will be slightly worse than he’s shown so far – his framing has already regressed towards the mean – and that he’ll end up being a good hitter rather than a great one. Be aware that I’m lower on him than industry consensus, though.

Five-Year WAR 16.9
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2028
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 24 3.2 Arb 1
2026 25 3.4 Arb 2
2027 26 3.4 Arb 3
2028 27 3.5 Arb 4
Arb

I mean, how in the world is Abrams under team control for four more years? I double- and triple-checked that in making this list. It feels like he’s been a big leaguer for forever because that’s just how Padres prospects got promoted a few years ago; he made his major league debut at the start of the 2022 season, but bounced back to the minors and didn’t end up with a full year of service time. He’s still only 23, and appears to finally be hitting the lofty offensive expectations that made him a top prospect.

Abrams is an outlier in this tier in that I can definitely name something he doesn’t do well: play defense. DRS is a big positive outlier in thinking that he’s an average shortstop; everyone else, from scouts to Statcast, considers him somewhere between subpar and disastrous defensively. I watched a lot of him in the field while working on this series, and I concur. He turns a lot of easy plays into hard ones despite prodigious raw talent.

Offensively, he used to have a similar profile – spectacular tools, limited production – but he’s putting everything together en route to a career-best season at the plate. Abrams has plus power that he gets to with shocking ease, and he’s aggressive in the zone in the general vein of Corey Seager. His swing will lull you to sleep, and then bam, it’s a yanked homer to the right field stands. I don’t know if he’ll ever be an all-fields crusher, but he might hit 25 homers a year as a dead pull type anyway. His swing-first approach and solid contact skills keep his strikeout rate in check, and he’s so dang fast that he runs a reasonable BABIP despite a fly ball approach.

I’d probably try Abrams at a different position if I traded for him. That said, it might just be something he grows into; he’s still only 23, and he definitely makes errors of commission rather than omission. The same is true on the basepaths, where Abrams has gotten thrown out (and picked off) at a prodigious rate this year. It feels like there’s still another level in there somewhere, whether it’s on defense or the bases. I started Abrams a bit lower in these rankings, but I consistently heard good arguments to move him up, so here he is.

Five-Year WAR 17.4
Guaranteed Dollars
Team Control Through 2029
Previous Rank
Year Age Projected WAR Contract Status
2025 23 3.1 Pre-Arb
2026 24 3.2 Pre-Arb
2027 25 3.4 Arb 1
2028 26 3.8 Arb 2
2029 27 3.8 Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb

I’m sure that a lot of people will say this is a homer pick, but you know what, I don’t watch a lot of Cardinals games these days, what with living on the west coast and covering baseball nationally, and I started Winn lower on the list before hearing people rave about his skills and potential with every email and call I got. He has blazing speed, one of the strongest infield arms in the game, and already looks like a defensive mainstay who’s going to be among the best defenders for years to come.

There was a category for players like this earlier on the list. Why isn’t Winn in that group? It comes down to his team control – five more years after this one, including two more pre-arb years – and his offensive potential. He’s probably not going to hit 20 homers a season, particularly in cavernous Busch Stadium, but he has spectacular bat-to-ball skills that have translated to the major leagues pretty smoothly. He’s in the 88th percentile for contact rate, doesn’t strike out very often, and gears his swing for line drives. His BABIP is due for some regression, but I’m not alone in thinking he’ll hit for enviable average. Combine that with his low strikeout rate and reasonable walk rate, and he’s going to get on base a ton. He’s like Neto’s offense (plus a little) combined with Volpe’s defense (plus a little) — how could he be in the same group as those guys given that?

Winn sits at an interesting intersection of the model-driven evaluators I’ve talked to and the more scouting-oriented ones. The model guys love him; my minor league hitting models have consistently singled him out, he’s a ZiPS darling, and computers love his defense. Scouts also love his defense, and they obviously love that at age 22, he’s putting up good offensive numbers in the majors with loud tools. But he’s a low-ceiling player for someone who is universally liked; if you think he’s going to hit for power, you have to project some kind of swing change, which I think is unlikely. That’s why Winn is in this group of well-rounded hitters with defensive value (a group that will continue through to tomorrow’s list) instead of higher up.

2024 Trade Value, 31-50
Rk Pv Player Age 2025 2026 2027 2028 2029
31 Masyn Winn 22 3.1
Pre-Arb
3.2
Pre-Arb
3.4
Arb 1
3.8
Arb 2
3.8
Arb 3
32 CJ Abrams 23 3.2
Arb 1
3.4
Arb 2
3.4
Arb 3
3.5
Arb 4
33 23 Francisco Alvarez 22 2.5
Pre-Arb
2.8
Arb 1
3.0
Arb 2
3.3
Arb 3
34 Gabriel Moreno 24 3.8
Pre-Arb
3.8
Arb 1
3.7
Arb 2
3.7
Arb 3
35 50 James Wood 21 2.4
Pre-Arb
2.8
Pre-Arb
3.1
Pre-Arb
3.5
Arb 1
3.6
Arb 2
36 Wyatt Langford 22 2.6
Pre-Arb
2.9
Pre-Arb
3.0
Arb 1
3.1
Arb 2
2.9
Arb 3
37 HM Jackson Holliday 20 3.3
Pre-Arb
3.7
Pre-Arb
4.1
Pre-Arb
4.4
Arb 1
4.7
Arb 2
38 27 Anthony Volpe 23 3.0
Pre-Arb
3.2
Arb 1
3.4
Arb 2
3.5
Arb 3
39 HM Ezequiel Tovar 22 3.1
$4.2 M
3.3
$5.2 M
3.7
$8.2 M
3.8
$11.2 M
3.9
$14.2 M
40 38 Zach Neto 23 2.6
Pre-Arb
2.9
Arb 1
3.2
Arb 2
3.2
Arb 3
3.4
Arb 4
41 Bryce Harper 31 3.8
$27.5 M
3.2
$27.5 M
2.5
$27.5 M
1.9
$27.5 M
1.3
$23.5 M
42 HM Corey Seager 30 4.7
$32.5 M
4.1
$31.5 M
3.3
$31.5 M
2.5
$31.5 M
1.7
$31.5 M
43 HM Ketel Marte 30 4.5
$16.6 M
3.8
$16.6 M
3.0
$14.6 M
2.4
$13.0 M
44 HM Francisco Lindor 30 5.4
$34.1 M
4.9
$34.1 M
4.2
$34.1 M
3.2
$34.1 M
2.4
$34.1 M
45 Jared Jones 22 2.2
Pre-Arb
2.4
Pre-Arb
2.4
Arb 1
2.4
Arb 2
2.4
Arb 3
46 Grayson Rodriguez 24 2.2
Pre-Arb
2.2
Pre-Arb
2.2
Arb 1
2.1
Arb 2
2.0
Arb 3
47 Tanner Bibee 25 2.9
Pre-Arb
2.8
Arb 1
2.7
Arb 2
2.5
Arb 3
48 41 Hunter Greene 24 2.5
$6.3 M
2.5
$8.3 M
2.5
$15.3 M
2.3
$16.3 M
2.3
$21.0 M
49 HM Justin Steele 28 3.2
Arb 2
2.9
Arb 3
2.7
Arb 4
50 MacKenzie Gore 25 2.1
Arb 1
2.1
Arb 2
2.0
Arb 3
Pre-Arb
Arb
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Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.

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GoodEnoughForMeMember since 2024
1 year ago

This is a super interesting entry for revealing what it does about teams; that fans and maybe even analysts appear to be undervaluing still how much teams desire and covet great shortstop/up the middle defense. And how power sure gets people dreaming.

Last edited 1 year ago by GoodEnoughForMe
PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago

Agreed. & also the stuff in the Holliday/Langford/Wood tier about teams that are accumulators & teams that are trying to win now & how where those players are in their careers makes them tougher to get full value for.

None of them are good enough today to be a big part of a winning team, but, if you’re playing for 2-3 years from now, you need to win trades not just break even. & since they haven’t proven themselves in MLB yet, teams may be reluctant to give up more for them than they would for lower ceiling, but, currently productive MLB players. There is always bust risk until they prove it.

Always interesting to hear that type of analysis of how FO’s think & take into account when a player will be productive & how it fits into their org needs today.

Last edited 1 year ago by PC1970
Sleepy
1 year ago
Reply to  PC1970

In a world where karma exists, Holliday is traded at the deadline for Mason Miller, and his dad is forced to watch him play for the A’s in a nowhere market’s decades-old minor league park.

FunFella13Member since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Sleepy

Salty more like it

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
1 year ago

Fans, and analysts who deal in today (e.g. TV guys), typically have a significant disconnect with front offices in regards to future value … period.

scotth855Member since 2020
1 year ago

If I was the Cardinals and I could trade Winn for Strider+, Tucker+, Duran+, or Langford+ I would do that in a heartbeat. The statcast on his bat looks pretty bad but I get he’s young and still developing.

Kenneth KitchinMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  scotth855

Winn is developed internally and is having a lot of success. I think teams would prefer to have a guy like that who is a known quantity.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

And for the Cards, who are in a dogfight for the playoffs this year, without Winn they would be turning short over to Brandon Crawford (at least till Edman gets back) and then… Thomas Saggese? Who is hitting poorly at AAA, maybe stretched defensively at short, and only three weeks younger than Winn? Or count on re-signing Edman, or signing Kim?

Lanidrac
1 year ago

Edman has one more year under team control, and they could potentially move Donovan to SS long term, but overall I agree that it would just be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

oh yeah, think I looked at the contract years when I meant to look at “free agent.” thanks!

rickdugo3000
1 year ago
Reply to  scotth855

Same with the Yankees and Volpe, and in his case it’s not just the statcast that looks bad on his bat!

ojtang
1 year ago
Reply to  scotth855

I’ve seen statcast numbers be wrong too much to dislike a hitter just because of that. If you go back and look at Randy A, for instance, statcast always underrated him because of his low average launch angle. Obviously, he’s still been a good hitter. Sometimes those raw numbers just don’t mean much. If I’m Cardinals POBO/GM, Winn is my everyday SS going forward, no question.

wheelhouseMember since 2022
1 year ago

Torn between saying Volpe belongs outside the top 50 and saying that roughly 25 other MLB teams would be far better at unlocking his bat that the atrocious track record the Yankees have had of that for years

Chili Davis Eyes
1 year ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

Aaron Judge seems pretty good.

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago

Austin Wells, too.

Willians Astu-stu-studilloMember since 2020
1 year ago

There’s a name that’s glaringly missing from this list.

wheelhouseMember since 2022
1 year ago

Aaron Judge debuted like 6 hitting coaches ago

Cool Lester SmoothMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  wheelhouse

lmao.

Tell us more about how he’s a 35 FV “at best,” champ.

Wish he were more than an Aybar type…but Erick Aybar was a damn good player.

broeygallo
1 year ago

A trade value series where 3/5 of the return from a single trade – Soto (Nats / Padres variety) – are on the list. That’s amazing! And even more amazing in that…the Padres probably still do it?

achidesterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  broeygallo

they made the NLCS for the first time in 25 years with Soto (plus Bell), and when they traded him, they got Michael King and a pitcher used in the deal for Dylan Cease.

I would agree with you.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago

I would not have Abrams and Winn anywhere near this high.

Winn should have been in the “talented young players with flags” bucket under honorable mentions. He’s talented as all heck, but he’s outperforming his expected outcomes as a hitter, by a lot. The defense and speed are for real, which gives him a solid floor, but as a hitter I’m not remotely convinced that his abilities will ever develop consistently, especially with his difficulty with handling velocity (especially up in the zone) and habit of chasing low and away. He’s above average as a contact hitter, but not to any crazy degree, so that’s not driving his profile. Launch angle is, but none of the other markers are backing his profile except that he doesn’t really swing and miss much. As a hitter, he looks more like Brayan Rocchio with good luck on contact than a prospect hitter of potential note (whiffs less, but chases more and walks about half as much, near-identical xwOBA and xwOBAcon). The team control is valuable, but the flags are too big imo.

Abrams is another guy with flags, but he’s shown enough that the expectations should be higher. His flags are the opposite of Winn; real, defined and growing potential as a hitter, but he has no defensive instincts whatsoever. All the athleticism he’ll ever need, but he can’t use it on defense. He’s the worst qualified defender by OAA in the league this year and it’s not out of line with his prior seasons (DRS and UZR give him more credit [DRS has him at +2, UZR at 0.4], but I don’t see it). There’s more hope for him to develop as a defender than Winn as a hitter (maybe requiring a move to 3B or the outfield), but it should still lower him to the 50-41 range. Probably about where Ben had him originally.

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Kenneth KitchinMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

FWIW, he’s leading the NL in defensive bWAR

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago

No idea htf that happened, but I don’t buy it. Abrams is abjectly awful when moving to his glove side and below-average coming in, at minimum.

Also BB-Ref doesn’t have him as a net positive defensively, so I’m not sure that’s correct anyway. -4 by TZFR above average, which is their best sabermetric evaluation of defense. That’s not the -11 he’s rated by OAA, but it’s not good by any stretch.

Unless we’re talking about Masy Winn. In which case, cool! He still doesn’t look like he can hit!
OAA has him at +1, UZR at +2.2. DRS, which is what BB-Ref uses, rates him at +14 (+11 TZFR), but it’s very far out from the other metrics, so I’d take it with a grain of salt.

Winn’s offense, if he was hitting in line with his expected metrics, would have him at like an 80 wRC+. Sure, his defense will make him a valuable player even then, but that’s backup catcher levels of “can’t hit”. When I said he looks like a luckier Brayan Rocchio at the plate, I wasn’t exaggerating (Rocchio is running a 76 wRC+ and even as an above-average fielder [+7 DRS, +1 OAA, +5.2 UZR] is rated as replacement-level).

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Glengarry Glenn Braggs
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

Good points, EonADS, thanks. I watch Winn every day, and for me a lot of his growth hinges on whether or not he can develop the kind of power that he flashed in AAA last year (18 HRs and a .474 slug in 105 games). Without it I think MLB pitchers are just too fast and crafty for him – they’ll either get him to reach or saw the bat out of his hands. But if he can drive the ball more (and I do tend to be more hopeful when it comes to guys like him – he’s an elite athlete who, remember, wasn’t even a full-time hitter until he was out of high school), then I think he’ll be fine. But yeah, the flags may make him more of a high-floor player than a high-ceiling one.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago

Thanks for that, appreciate the reasonable and intelligent response. And that’s an interesting idea. If he can pull the ball in the air more, I think he could pull it off. I don’t think he has the raw thump (40/50 raw on his prospect reports never looked right to me, and his exit velos back that), but if he can do a Paredes/Mookie/J-Ramirez and pull his fly balls, he could make it work. Right now, he looks more like a spray hitter with bad tendencies.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

Although, keep in mind that Winn’s speed explains at least a little about how he outhitting his metrics.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Fair, but that typically manifests in xBA. He’s outperforming that by nearly thirty points too. Maybe he’s like an 85 wRC+ hitter, but he’s not a 107 true-talent right now. In the future, we’ll see. He has room to improve.

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Kenneth KitchinMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

I think you’re looking at his 2023 def stats. He’s like 20 runs so far for 2024

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago

Nope. 2023 he was -1 DRS, -0.4 UZR, -3 OAA. It’s right there on his Fangraphs page.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/masyn-winn/27479/stats?position=SS#advanced-fielding

He’s at 22 RAR this season, but that’s a value calculation. Not defense.

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E L
1 year ago

That says more about DRS in small sample sizes than it does about Winn.

tomerafan
1 year ago

It’s officially time to call this list ridiculous. Which I think is the point. It feels like, over the years, this series has been written more and more for the dissent it generates than the article itself. I’m sure that’s good for site traffic, clicks, and comment volume, but it’s a bad list.

Francisco Alvarez dropping 10 spots is insane, given how much he has improved. Sorry you don’t think it’s sustainable. Watch him play. He won the game for the Mets last night by calming down a rattled Diaz from behind home plate after he lost control of the slider. This stuff happens for Alvarez on the regular, There’s a reason everyone is high on him. Watch him call a game. Watch him manage a pitching staff. I can’t believe he’s not top-15; catchers that can manage a game and hit like him are the rarest combo in all of baseball.

Cost-controlled starters as honorable mentions… when the industry is treating pitching as “trade it before it blows up’… is nuts. Hunter Greene ahead of those pitchers is nuts. Tovar’s placement is nuts. But you’ll get the clicks you wanted. I guess that’s the point.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  tomerafan

I agree with you on Tovar, but your comments on Alvarez are boilerplate. It’s like digging out throws at first. Every established catcher (or first basemen in my example) has loyal fans of his team swearing up and down that this skill, “handling a pitching staff” I’ll call it, is far superior to average and thus this catcher is so much better than what others think.

I also don’t agree with a lot of this list, but it’s insulting and shows lack of character to assign some nefarious, yahoo-sports-like rationale. Fangraphs ethos since the beginning has been to treat its readers as thinking adults, which is quite rare these days, and your baseless insults say more about you than them.

As an aside, I wrote all of the above before looking at your username. I remember you now. I wish I hadn’t written all this, but since I already did I’ll still hit “post.”

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Especially when Ben is pretty clear that the rankings of Volpe/Tovar/Neto are really due to discussions with teams, not his own preference & that he bumped them all up (& Winn & Abrams) due to that.

Is the list perfect? Do I agree with every ranking? No, I’d have it different, but, nothing I’ve seen,other than not ranking Duran, is that egregious. It’s just slight differences of opinions & preferences.

I’d love to see some of these flame throwers come out with their own list & then let us pick it apart & call them idiots.

crew87Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  PC1970

Agree. I think a decent rule of thumb would be to criticize analysis all you want, but if you want to broadly criticize “the list” you have to post your own.

ojtang
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

My issue with your view is that you’re ignoring factors simply because you can’t quantify them. You behave as if they don’t exist, but they do.

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  ojtang

No, I’m sure they do. And I’m sure every teams’ fanbase is sincere in their belief in the superiority of their catcher’s abilities. I just know they can’t all be correct.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Right! Any list will have disagreements, especially one like this where value is defined in several different ways. That’s ok!

We’re all here to talk baseball, but when commenters like the OP get a bee in their bonnet and then question the motive behind the list and it’s generated to get more clicks? Go touch grass and while you’re at it, take off your tin foil hat.

tomerafan
1 year ago
Reply to  gettwobrute79

“Tin foil hat” is such a hackneyed and overused phrase.

It is absolutely not an indication of paranoia (or an insult, as someone else alleged) to point out the literal business that drives online media – ad clicks, page views, and comment posts, as well as subscribers. Like, it’s the business. I’m not offended by the business. I’m just more aware of it now at Fangraphs than I used to be, because it feels more prevalent now.

That’s my opinion, and I’m glad for yours to be otherwise. But you don’t need insults to express your opinion. Please, try to do better.

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Your original post lacked any kind of nuance to begin with so it deserved that overused term. Basically, you’re assuming they’re disingenuous with the product they’re putting out because you don’t like the ordinal rankings. They’re all out to grind your gears with the lists and that’s their motive? That isn’t paranoid on some level?

I don’t love the list so far either (Joey Ortiz and Duran seem like significant omissions to me), but it seems it’s far more likely Ben has a different sense of trade values than I do. Any list by itself will drive clicks because of inclusions and exclusions.

tomerafan
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

I don’t think you know what the word “baseless” means.

tomerafan
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

Yet again, you can’t accept anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

And you clearly don’t understand the meaning of the words “baseless” or “insults.”

Or hubris.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Oh god, my Mets fan buddy can’t stop talking about how Alvarez is a leader on the team. Is he turning Mets fans into Cardinals fans about their catcher?

TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Leading them to a bottom third ranking in ERA and FIP. Boy, without Alvarez I guess they’d *really* stink!

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

lol, I actually think Alvarez is really good (he’s missed a good bit of time this year, too). But to get that mad about his ranking because he calmed down Edwin Diaz is peak Yadi worship behavior

gettwobrute79Member since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Hey now! Yadi was one of the best catchers AND umpires of his time!

TulkasMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I’m a Mets fan who is very skeptical of the intangibles arguments. I see it all the time regarding Alonso where fans insist he’s “gotten so much better” at defense and that he’s a “leader in the clubhouse” and that he’s a lock for 40 HRs and 100 RBIs every year and what are we going to do if we let all that go?

But I think that the Yadi comparison to Alvarez isn’t completely off base. The Mets this season have been WAAAAAAY better with Alvarez in the lineup, and most especially our pitching has been better. Pitchers rave about how much they like working with Alvarez. I know catcher ERA isn’t a very reliable metric, but the difference with Alvarez and our other guys is pretty huge.

Is a lot of this noise? Sure. But I think even the most data-based approach would agree that catching is a very complicated thing to evaluate, and Alvarez does appear to have a level of competency playing the position that is uncommon.

I think it’s still fair to say there’s some questions about his hitting–he’s had good stretches but he’s needs to be elevating the ball more and tapping into his power, and I do agree that some of his framing metrics will probably move back closer towards average. But Yadi was also a great example of a guy that looked kinda meh on paper but played for a lot of very successful teams and most players on that team would swear up and down that Yadi was worth a lot more than the paper showed. I think Alvarez has a chance to be similar in that regard.

tomerafan
1 year ago
Reply to  TKDC

You realize how long Alvarez was out, right? And how different the staff numbers are with and without him?

For a guy who claims such strong opinions, you’re sorely lacking facts and context here.

ojtang
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

If you don’t think Yadi is a first-ballot HoFer, you don’t know baseball.

cardinalskenobi
1 year ago
Reply to  ojtang
CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  ojtang

I see it’s still going on. Thanks for demonstrating my point that Yadi stans are hilariously overprotective of their man by getting all bent out of shape about Yadi’s hall of fame candidacy that no one brought up.

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TKDCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Such a classic example of the lady doth protest

Glengarry Glenn Braggs
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I’m a longtime Cards fan, and I definitely get where people are coming from when they cast doubts on Yadi. Great glove, but a meh bat as far as HOFers go. I used to think of him as a close-but-no-cigar player for Cooperstown, but I’ve softened over the years, mostly b/c I’ve changed how I think of the Hall. As in, I give a lot more credit to signature players on signature teams. This is essentially the argument for David Ortiz, a bat-only player (although admittedly, a ferocious bat!) who has a lower career bWAR than, say, Chet Lemon. But you simply can’t tell the history of 21st-century baseball without talking about Ortiz, which for me pushes him over the finish line. That’s my general thinking about Yadi too, although your mileage may vary.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago

I think Yadi is a HoF player, but the way some people treat him as though he’s an inner-circle lock because of his defense and the mythology around him annoys me. He’s not the catcher version of Ozzie Smith.

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Lanidrac
1 year ago

Well, if his defense is among the best of all time at his position, and his offense is good enough to reach the 2,000 hit plateau, he should be at least strongly considered for the Hall of Fame. Otherwise, how did Ozzie Smith get in on his first ballot?

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

While that’s fair, Ozzie’s defense is broadly considered the best ever, regardless of position. And that seems accurate.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

Mark Belanger is probably the best, but Ozzie is probably #2. I can’t think of anyone else who would be better. Andruw Jones? Willie Mays? Probably not.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Maybe at his peak, but I think Ozzie was better overall. His defense basically never tailed off until he was ancient. Belanger’s defense was superhuman at his best, but it wasn’t for his whole career.

Belanger from 29-34, though. What a guy. That kind of ability to just get to everything is crazy. Making the play afterwards? Man.

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Mitchell MooreMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

The mid-60s-to-mid-70s Belanger/B Robinson/D Johnson/B Grich infields must be the best fielding group of all time, no? What other gang would even be close?

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

Probably. Brooks Robinson was also one of the best all time. The 1968 Orioles (one of Belanger’s best early seasons (first full-time season) and Robinson’s second-best defensive season, plus Johnson and Paul Blair were also great that year and Buford was positive too) is probably the best single defensive team of all time imo.

Ozzie, Jose Oquendo, Terry Pendelton, and Pedro Gurrero as an infield unit is probably the closest, since Pendelton and Oquendo were elite defenders too, but neither was anywhere near Robinson.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Mitchell Moore

I feel pretty confident that it is either that or close to it. There was a brief period of time when Olerud, Alfonso, Rey Ordonez, and Ventura all played on the same infield. But that Orioles infield was probably better.

Someone told me once that Belanger was basically acting like a defensive coordinator out there, shifting guys around because of who was at the plate. Each individual member was still excellent defensively, though.

FrancoeursteinMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

The best modern example I can think of would be the 2016 Cubs: Bryant-Russell-Zobrist/Baez-Rizzo

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Brooks Robinson? Or if you want to toss a catcher in there (difficult) Pudge Rodriguez?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Clete Boyer, maybe, but it’s hard to take any third baseman over a shortstop.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

And the offensive bar for glove-first shortstops historically is very low. If you look at the 20 shortstops since 1947 with the highest total Def, Ozzie’s 90 wRC+ is tied for fourth with Groat and Campaneris behind Ripken, Trammell, and Pee Wee Reese. (Until tomorrow when Lindor passes Royce Clayton for 20th place in Def.) Six of the top 20 have a wRC+ of 73 or below, including Belanger and Rey Sanchez, the only players with more Def/PA than Smith.

Among catchers, Yadi’s 97 wRC+ is exactly median among the top 20 Def, tied for tenth with Charles Johnson. Only José Molina and Martin Maldonado have a wRC+ below 73. Russell Martin has more Def/PA than Yadi and seven points of wRC+ on him.

Now this is a little unfair to Yadi because he is first in catcher Def by a pretty wide margin, and also catcher Def is the Wild West due to framing stats coming in around 2008 or whenever–which is why you get some guys with comically high Def/PA in under 4000 PA, like José Molina, David Ross, Hedges, Flowers, Christian Vazquez, and Hanigan (only José and Ross are in top 20 Def since it’s a counting stat). But it does underscore how good a ballplayer Ozzie was. And why Russell Martin deserves a look for the Hall.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

I’m a longtime Cards hater, and I think Yadi should probably get into the Hall, because the increasing wear and tear on catchers mean it’s going to be really tough for them to last long enough to accumulate 60 fWAR (even moreso 60 bbWAR), because like Ortiz I think being amazing at one part of the game outweighs being meh at another, and (sigh) because like Ortiz I think being an absolute icon for one franchise counts for something.

But to call him a no-doubt first ballot HOFer, meaning something like an inner circle guy… no.

Glengarry Glenn Braggs
1 year ago

Thanks, formerly matt. Honest question: what does first-ballot HOFer mean here? Does it mean “guy who the electorate will put in on his first year of eligibility?” or “guy who’s an inner circle HOFer?” One has to do with other people’s opinions (in which case Yadi probably is, in fact, a first-ballot guy) and one is more about actual value as a top-tier Hall of Famer (in which case Yadi probably falls short). I swear I’m not asking to goad you into a debate – just curious how you use the term.

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago

Thanks! Sorry for the late reply but I mean more like “inner circle Hall of Famer” or “someone who there’s no debate that he should be in on merit.”

The whole first-ballot thing is kind of goofy–if a voter thinks that a player is a deserving HOFer, no reason to make them wait–but I figure in this discussion it means quality. I would bet that Yadi gets in on the first or maybe second ballot.

Dmjn53
1 year ago
Reply to  ojtang

you just proved the point he’s making

slz
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

The Cardinals fans were right about Molina, though

hudsukkaMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  tomerafan

To add a little perspective, I don’t understand how Alvarez even gets on this list and Cal Raleigh doesn’t. Catchers as you said, cause people to look beyond the stats.

But look AT the stats and Cal defensively is one of the best catchers in the MLB. And Big Dumper bops HRs. (Much higher WAR as well).

But I get it, we all show favouritism to our own players. And it’s really hard to put together a list like this and please everyone.

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VillainMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  hudsukka

One is 27 with three years of control left and one is 22 with four years of control left. That’s a big difference.

Dmjn53
1 year ago
Reply to  tomerafan

you just listed a bunch of subjective things that may or may not have happened. They’re not factoring into a team’s trade valuation of a player

bookbookMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

I would be tempted to put Cal with the catchers at 33-34, but he does have less control remaining than those guys. Higher WAR totals over the last two years, but less control.

rickdugo3000
1 year ago

No offense to Zach Neto, who looks to be on his way to having a long and productive career, but if he ever puts up 4.3 war in a single season — which is what Jarren Duran has done through 100 games this year — I’ll be shocked.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Neto’s a bit of an odd one. If he put up the defensive value of the prior year and the offensive value of this year, that’d carry him to a 3.5-4 WAR season. That’s barring any further breakouts. So it’s possible he could do that.

Still should have Duran higher. I’d have him at 31, honestly. Still some flags and questions, but he’s made improvements across the board and allayed the concerns better than Abrams or Winn.

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

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E L
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Neto is probably due a bit of offense. He’s around a league average bat who’s been worth -4 OAA at short this season and has also been below average at running the bases.

That seems more like a decent piece rather than a top-50 asset in the game.

slz
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Jarren Duran doesnt stand at shortstop. Well, I guess until he does, like Mookie did this year.

m.a.robinsonMember since 2025
1 year ago

Not to be a stickler about this, but your reasoning behind leaving Duran off your list is that he just has not proved himself in the majors yet… by including Jackson Holliday, James Wood, and Wyatt Langford (to an extent), you are including players that have not proven a single thing at the major league level just yet. Duran’s outfield defense, speed, contact and (recent) power have him entered in the MVP race in the American League. I just don’t see the logic behind saying one person hasn’t proved enough but others who have proven way less are higher trade commodities. Duran is legit. It’s time we all accepted him.

__AL
1 year ago
Reply to  m.a.robinson

Duran is 5-7 years older than those guys; I’ve got to guess that has something to do with it from the org perspective.

__AL
1 year ago
Reply to  __AL

Duran will be 30 by labor day 2026. He’s older than Rafael Devers. I think it’s his lack of track record PLUS HIS AGE that’s the answer to the incredulity from so many in the comments. Even if he really is putting it all together, he could hit his decline fairly soon – that’s a big deal.

rickdugo3000
1 year ago
Reply to  __AL

You’re right, Devers should be on the list too. Every single year he posts 150 games, 35 homers and 40 doubles, and 3.5-5 war. And he’s 27, and he’s proven himself in the playoffs (and gerrit cole is his child).

Even as bad as the 3b defense is, his contract and production should absolutely put him in the Harper/Lindor/Seager tier, when considering that he’s a few years younger than those guys and less reliant on skills that erode earlier.

RobertMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Devers will be on the list I imagine

RobertMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  __AL

And prospect pedigree and tools (especially for guys that young) matters at their ages

PC1970Member since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  m.a.robinson

Safe to say Jarren Duran wins the inaugural “Riley Greene- Why The ___ Isn’t He Ranked” Award?

jreyn24Member since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  PC1970

Riley Greene won the “Bryan Reynolds- Why The ____ Isn’t He Ranked Award”.

Groundout
1 year ago
Reply to  m.a.robinson

Duran is between +8000 and +20000 to win AL MVP. That’s more than 90% of AL position players can say, but it’s still a stretch to say he’s actually in the race. Projection systems have him somewhere between the 35th and 70th best position player the rest of the way.

He’s a very valuable player, but I don’t think it’s terribly egregious to leave him out of the top 50.

m.a.robinsonMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Groundout

Sitting at 4.3 WAR

formerly matt wMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  Groundout

Without wanting to weigh in on whether he should be on the top 50, and acknowledging that he should deservedly get downballot MVP votes and that’s extremely impressive, it’s kinda hard for me to see a scenario where he beats out Judge, Witt, Henderson, and Soto. I guess “entered into the race” is a fine enough description.

tomerafan
1 year ago
Reply to  m.a.robinson

Yet another logical fallacy in a ludicrous list. But I’m commenting again, so the author accomplished their goal.

jreyn24Member since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  tomerafan

Let’s see your not-ludicrous list. Make sure to avoid soliciting feedback from team front office personnel too. Then we’ll know it’s extra not-ludicrous.

tomerafan
1 year ago
Reply to  jreyn24

So if I eat at a restaurant and the food is terrible, I’m not allowed to complain because I’m not qualified to be the chef?

I was in a bus accident as a kid. I guess I can’t be critical of that experience because I don’t have a heavy class drivers license.

And so on….

Dmjn53
1 year ago
Reply to  tomerafan

I keep thinking you’ve reached your peak in this thread, but you continue to surpass yourself. Please comment more because your mastery of logistical fallacies is wildly entertaining

fangraphsreaderbutwokeMember since 2025
1 year ago

Ben, something occurred to me wrt where you rank Paul Skenes on here: he’s on a pretty obvious path to finishing in the top two for Rookie of the Year *knock on wood* and wasn’t up to begin the season. That’d win him a year of his team control back, right? So the Pirates will only have him for 5 years rather than 6. Would definitely eat a chunk of his trade value.

si.or.noMember since 2017
1 year ago

But it nets them a draft pick, which regurgitates that chunk!

(Or whoever trades for him…? How… would that work?)

filter2Member since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  si.or.no

He wasn’t on the opening day roster so the Pirates don’t get a draft pick. Same thing happened with Adley.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  filter2

I think it’s based on service time, which he may reach? You don’t necessarily have to be on the opening day roster.

Edit: had to look it up. 172 service days is the requirement, so there’s room to be in the minors about 2 weeks. You’re correct that Skenes can’t make it, though. May 11 call up is not soon enough.

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synco
1 year ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

The Pirates did a nice bit of slicing off their nose to spite their face with Skenes. They aren’t going to get the extra year or the draft pick, and get no benefit out of the seven starts he made in minors to boot.

lukeMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  synco

And I respect it. They could have thrown him to the wolves in the majors on day one, and maybe he would have been great, but to their detriment, they allowed him to acclimate and reach the goal of every fifth day starts in the minors knowing they might lose the year of service time AND they didn’t hold him down past the super two date which may have made the ROY impossible.

If he started in the majors he would have had to slowly move toward every fifth day starting on the big stage.

I did not think they would do this. I was sure they would find reasons to hold him down through super two.

So I respect that they took care to not risk messing him up by starting him in the majors with only last year’s 6.2 innings pitches in pro ball.

jreyn24Member since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  luke

That’s one take. The other is the Pirates missing out on NLWC3 by a game or two and a top draft pick and wondering why they watched him “acclimate” to the tune of a 43% K rate and 1.55 FIP against AAA hitters until mid-May.

filter2Member since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Yeah, the cut off was like a day or two after the day Jackson Holliday got called up.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago

Winn reminds me very much of Andrelton Simmons for good and bad. Defense is significantly impacted by monster arm and a very good contact hitter with questionable contact quality.

Can we talk about Wood’s launch angle? It’s absolutely catastrophic in a small sample, but it’s not inconsistent with his huge gb% at AAA. Gotta keep an eye on that.

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Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Then again, maybe Winn is more like Ozzie Smith with a little more power. Not that I think Winn’s defense will ever be THAT good, but the Wizard started off as an elite glove with speed but a weak bat who eventually developed into a respectable hitter as a very good contact hitter who avoided strikeouts despite having minimal power.

AnonMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Wood needs some more time before we can draw any conclusions on his performance. He has faced 9 LHP in his 1st 17 starts and it seems like he gets a lefty out of the pen all the time which has led to 54% of his PA coming against LHP so far (39 against LHP vs 33 against RHP). Not sure what the MLB average is for LH batters but so far this year there have been 8,453 PA for LHB v LHP compared to 39,100 for LHB v RHP or 17.7% with the platoon disadvantage. (You’d have to figure some way to eliminate the switch-hitters from the RHP numbers and I couldn’t find anything quickly with the actual numbers, but that fits with my recollection that the split is usually more like 25/75 and not the absurd 54/46 that Wood is facing so far). To my eye, he’s looked pretty decent considering the frequent disadvantage.

I don’t disagree that the LA may be an issue, but we should have a better idea of his actual numbers over the next couple weeks – per Roster Resource, he’s set to face a RHP in 8 of his next 9 games and the series after that is Milwaukee who is running out an all RH rotation at present so likely 11 of his next 12.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Winn is not even close to Ozzie Smith or Andrelton Simmons as a defender!!!! What is wrong with all of you!? There are not enough qualifications in the world to make Simmons or Smith in the same sentence as Winn.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

You’re twisting my words. I said he has similar characteristics to Simmons in that his arm is a huge part of his defense and he is a high contact/poor contact quality hitter. I didn’t say he’s as good defensively. Other dude threw Ozzie in there, not I.

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

I agree with the similarities comp, but his bat looks worse than Simmons, tbh. Would not be surprised if he ends up a Vizquel-esque compiler with worse defense, averaging 2-3 WAR per year. He’s great defensively, but that bat, man. His current numbers are absolutely inflated, and he chases almost twice as much as Simmons ever did.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

Y’all are crazy, tempting the heavens like this. Saint Andrelton of Atlanta / Los Angeles of Anaheim performed miracles. Miracles!!!

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I didn’t say he was. I said Winn is also a great glove (but NOT at Ozzie’s level, not that anyone else has ever been at his level) with speed who could develop into the same kind of HITTER that Ozzie was in his prime, a great contact hitter with a lack of Ks who could often post averages above .280 and an above average wRC+ despite a lack of power.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Even putting Winn in the same sentence as Ozzie is like taking the Lord’s name in vain, the only way to make it okay is to not do it in the first place.

rickdugo3000
1 year ago

I think things have swung too far and I think we’re undervaluing present contributions and overvaluing team control and cost efficiency. I think it’s okay to say that even though he costs $25 million more per year or whatever, Bryce Harper is more valuable to a team than Zach Neto, or Ketel marte is more valuable than Anthony Volpe.

I think this list should factor in basic questions like “is this guy actually that good at baseball (as opposed to being decent and cheap)?” and “would I feel ok as a fan if this guy was up late in a game in October?” Like, sure, Volpe’s defense and youth are great but if you’re trading Tanner Houck or Hunter Greene or Kyle Tucker or Bryce Harper etc … you’d like it to be for a guy who you’re not pinch-hitting for in a playoff game.

think about this in the context of Volpe/Marte or Neto/Seager for a second. At a certain point some of the results were getting here are facially absurd.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

This sort of dismisses the opportunity cost as unimportant. Yes, the players you’re talking about are excellent. But if I have finite dollars to spend and one of these crazy cheap guys, I could go out and also sign Corbin Burnes or Pete Alonso or Max Fried or (Jeter willing) Juan Soto. It’s not just a comparison of the present ability of the two players that makes up their present value

rickdugo3000
1 year ago
Reply to  CC AFC

This sort of dismisses reality! Because while of course opportunity cost is real, there is only one team that will end up signing Corbin Burnes or Max Fried or Juan Soto — and it could come down to things like school districts and proximity to other countries and color schemes, and then the other teams are left spending their money on Masataka Yoshida and Trevor Story.

rickdugo3000
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Like, the same way there’s value in having $30m to spend, there’s value in having spent $30m on something good as opposed to something that could be bad.

synco
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

I think that value just in having spent money wisely is indeed overlooked. There are plenty of teams with $30m to spend every offseason who waste it or get hit by underperformance. In a vacuum, would you rather have a player on a $30m contract performing like a $30m player on your roster, or $30m to spend this offseason? I think most people would take the player.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

You may have a point, but you also have to consider expected future value. How good are some of these guys going to be two, three, or even more years down the line while still under team control under arbitration-level salaries? If you don’t want Volpe batting with the game on the line in the 2024 playoffs, what about the 2027 or 2028 playoffs?

Travis LMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Why would the criteria be “batting with the game on the line” when that is but one component of winning at baseball? Cost and benefit are the lens for this list, not some feeling a fan has.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  Travis L

Because there’s a big distinction between the players you most want at bat with the game on the line versus any player deemed good enough to start for a playoff team. Essentially, it means at least an All-Star level hitter.

Rickdugo3000 basically said the same thing about not wanting Volpe in that situation this year, so I was asking him about future years after Volpe has had time to develop.

rickdugo3000
1 year ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

I think in 2028 I’d still probably want Bryce Harper?

didaceMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

“Bryce Harper is more valuable to a team…” But these rankings aren’t to determine who is the best player now. It’s who has the most trade value.

rickdugo3000
1 year ago
Reply to  didace

My bad if my comment wasn’t clear — I was not implying that I thought this was a list of the 50 best players right now. I understand that there are other places to find that. What I thought I’d conveyed to some reasonable degree of reader ascertainment was that I think that the determination of who has the most trade value should weigh a bit more heavily who is the best player now.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  rickdugo3000

Yes, with a $200 million budget, the most important thing is to spend the big dollars well. It definitely is more important and valuable to get Barry Bonds value rather than Albert Pujols value from a big contract, vs Zach Neto vs Oswald Peraza value from a pre-arb player. Aaron Judge is absolutely more valuable than Mason Winn no matter the contract because spending $200 million well is much better than spending $50 million well

senorbushMember since 2024
1 year ago

I love Winn but I’m skeptical he is the superior offensive player to Neto.

crackbaldoMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  senorbush

Would the Pirates trade Cruz for either of these guys? Or any of the already mentioned SS on this list? I seriously doubt it. Cruz is good right now and still has an MVP ceiling. He’s certainly higher variance, but the ceiling is still so high.

si.or.noMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  crackbaldo

Yeah, that’s one of the hypotheticals I like to run in my head. In a Winn <> Neto trade, who says no? In a Winn <> Neto <> Cruz (Oneil) scenario, who says no?

I can’t decide on the first one (I think the Cards say no, maybe both), but while Anaheim/St. Louis might not love an Oneil Cruz trade right now, Pittsburgh is a definite no.

burts_beadsMember since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  si.or.no

I think everybody says no, losing that trade gets you fired.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  crackbaldo

But is Cruz’s defense good enough to where Winn or one of the others doesn’t make up for his offensive disadvantage on the other side of the ball?

crackbaldoMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  Lanidrac

Seems like his defense has stabilized this year. He’s not great, but he’s been fine.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  crackbaldo

One big thing that concerns me about Cruz is his complete and utter inability to hit lefties. He’s struck out 45% of the time in his career vs lefties. 36 wRC+ against lefties this year and 46 career. He’s got one of the most egregious platoon splits I’ve ever seen. If I’m looking at the most valuable players in the game, it’s a big differentiator for me if I have to use a roster spot on a platoon partner for someone or else have them be below replacement level in all the games against lefties.

HamelinROY
1 year ago

Can I suggest that someone update the initial article to link to 2023? I’m sure I’m not the only one who would find that useful

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-trade-value-introduction-and-honorable-mentions/

Sleepy
1 year ago

“His performance in Triple-A this year was downright silly. He somehow walked almost as much as he struck out – at 21 – while slugging .600.”

In Triple-A this season, Jacob Wilson walked OVER TWICE AS OFTEN as he struck out, at 22, while slugging .639 and playing elite defense at SS. Can’t wait to see him in the Top 30!

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Sleepy

Lol

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  carter

To be fair, he might end up being a good player. He is going to be one of those guys that might have an incredibly weird profile, and is going to be hard to project I would assume. The dream would be Arraez at SS with plus D, but obviously that would be a pretty high-end outcome. Madrigal is still very much in play. His floor of being a good defender could end up having him on these lists in future years…but I wouldn’t say that is the likely outcome.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  Sleepy

Very similar levels of power, those two.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Sleepy

The Las Vegas affiliate, right? That place is a launching pad.

Sleepy
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Total launching pad. Nick Allen is currently OPS’ing .800+ there.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I think it’s extremely hard to make an argument for Tovar, Winn, Neto, and Volpe here and not Joey Ortiz and Jarren Duran. But to Ben’s credit he seems extremely skeptical of most of the first group of guys being this high on the list.

It’s interesting to hear teams talk about the value they put on shortstop defense and then you have got the Rays and Dodgers out there saying “maybe if we play our right fielder at shortstop things will be okay.” Is there anyone out there who is like, “Corey Seager isn’t killing us out there, I think that’s good enough” without believing anyone can play there?

Runaway ToasterMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Am I apparently the only person who would want Volpe for the next 4 years rather than Duran? I have more faith in a 23 y/o slick-fielding shortstop holding good value (and potentially hitting) than a soon-to-be 28 y/o average-fielding OF. We have seen countless players hit 30 and lose the ability to play OF well, so he could all of a sudden be a replaceable 1B/OF type.

I could certainly be wrong and Volpe could just never hit and Duran sticks in the OF while continuing to hit, but I would give it like 60/40 that Volpe is better over their arb years. Same with Tovar.

Astromets
1 year ago

All else being equal, I would take a 23-yo shortstop with elite defense who has a chance to be above average at the plate over a 27-yo outfielder who has merely an above average bat.

If you told me Duran will be 150+ wRC+ the next few season, different story, but is anyone projecting that outcome for him?

Metrics like his defense in CF for the first time this year, is that for real? There are a lot of articles out there suggesting ‘Yes’, but same was true when Nimmo’s CF defense suddenly started getting better, and then the Mets moved him off CF before it could tank anyway. If I’m signing up for several years of above average CF defense and an above average bat, that obviously changes the picture too.

I’d guess people who are upset believe in the defense, and that’s fair, but I’d argue it’s also fair to want him to prove he can play at this level for longer before he’s included on this list.

If those two didn’t play for the Red Sox and Yankees, would this even be a discussion?

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slz
1 year ago
Reply to  Astromets

I’m trying to see what the 23yo slick fielding SS who cant hit comp for Nimmo when he was 27 was…

Going back to 2021 (we’re not doing ’20), your options are:
Nicky Lopez (was 25, had more WAR that season than the rest of his career combined)
…and that’s it. The other guys (Kyle Farmer, Elvis Andrus) were too old. Dansby Swanson does almost qualify, though.

in ’19:
…Willy Adames?
Does Javy Baez count? That might be your Volpe upside – that he has a year or two in his prime where the offense is pretty good and the defense is bonkers.

Otherwise, I think I’ll take Nimmo over whatever “I can stand at shortstop” Jose Iglesias/Nick Ahmed type you throw at me

When Andrelton Simmons was 23, he put up a 91 wRC+. I recall people being very high on his career prospects at the time. He was out of baseball one year older than Nimmo is right now.

Lanidrac
1 year ago

I disagree. Overall, offense is significantly more valuable than defense at any position other than catcher. Without a huge gulf between them defensively, give me the proven bat who has a much better chance to stay at least decent offensively through his early 30s over the guy who only might develop into a good bat.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I think it’s probably a toss up but if I had to pick I would go with Duran. They’re solid players but I don’t have faith in Volpe or Tovar hitting. The power just seems to be gone for Volpe and Tovar’s swing decisions are atrocious.

I’m also increasingly skeptical of the positional adjustment on shortstop, which doesn’t change things much but does a little bit around the edges.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

It depends on how well he hits. As long as Seager is playable at SS and continues to mash offensively, the defensive bar for him is significantly lower.

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sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago

FWIW I think those prospects are in the right place and Ben does a fantastic job of explaining why. I just think all those shortstops* belong near the back end of the top 50 with Duran and Ortiz and not here.

*CJ Abrams is only nominally a shortstop but it looks like he can hit now, I like him where he is.

RMD4
1 year ago

James Wood for Jackson Holliday. Who says no?

Kenneth KitchinMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  RMD4

Orioles are flush with OF

rickdugo3000
1 year ago
Reply to  RMD4

Nats

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  RMD4

In context? Orioles because they have 10 million outfielders?

In a vacuum? Everyone dies from lack of oxygen

RobertMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  RMD4

Both teams

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert

This is the answer because if it goes wrong the GM gets fired. Not worth it.

richielampsMember since 2022
1 year ago
Reply to  RMD4

In a vacuum I think Wood has bigger upside than Holliday but Holliday has a higher floor.

sj1357Member since 2019
1 year ago

Thanks for this. I appreciate the thoughtful approach and the all of the homework.

Reactions to your ranking of the over-30 superstars is interesting. It seems like the mindest of some mid and small market owners, in which the the prospect of getting something for nothing carries far more appeal than getting reliably great performance at a fair price, has been internalized by a lot of fans. You ranked the likes of Seager and Harper close to the bottom of the top 50, yet there is a ton of skepticism that any team would so much as comtemplate choosing one of them over a pre-ARB player with high upside.

Winning requires wins. Unless you believe losing teams that have kept costs to a minimum are the real winners, it is obvious why teams would choose a player projected to deliver 4 wins a year over one projected to deliver 2.

Lanidrac
1 year ago
Reply to  sj1357

At equal salaries, of course they would. However, their salaries are also an important factor as to how much trade value they have. How much of a factor is what is debatable here.

cowdiscipleMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  sj1357

It isn’t about what the author believes. There are contending teams with big budgets that would absolutely prefer to trade for a market value superstar. There are lots of teams who aren’t contending who’d prefer the long cheap control and upside of pre-arb players who are average and could get a lot bwtter..

It’s really hard to balance those different markets in a single list, which is one reason why this is always so controversial.

lukeMember since 2024
1 year ago
Reply to  cowdisciple

Don’t have to balance them. Only one team can win a bidding war. The higher valuing market will win.

filter2Member since 2025
1 year ago

I didn’t think about it until now but after reading this section I’m a little surprised that Jordan Westburg didn’t get a HM.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  filter2

Maybe he is on the list…

John WickMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

I expected him in this tranche. Could see him in the next one if the league buys into him as a good 3B defender, since his bat is better than the Neto/Volpe/Winn SS cluster in this grouping.

kevo8Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  John Wick

Feels like a clean fit for one of the next couple slots. I can understand being more comfortable betting on his bat than that cluster’s defense long-term, and he does fit as an above-average player at a valued position lacking in superstar potential.

filter2Member since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  kevo8

Yep, He slotted in right at 29. I figured that he had to at least been in conversations for this list but in the moment didn’t think he would rank higher than the young SS tier. After reading Ben’s write up, it makes sense. He looks like a stud.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  John Wick

I think he’s probably around Abrams for me and ahead of the shortstops listed here. I have trouble believing it because he barely walks but he’s doing a fantastic job at the plate.

mookie28Member since 2016
1 year ago

Alvarez has helped the Mets immensely since coming back but somehow he seems a little underwhelming with the bat because of his power pedigree. He’s young and perhaps thumb is having an effect but he’s got 4 HRs and none too recently.

Dmjn53
1 year ago
Reply to  mookie28

his offensive floor might be a bit lower than we thought. He ran massive walk rates in the minors, but that hasn’t really materialized in the minors. He’s also running an unbelievably bad .344 xSLG, which I don’t think is his true talent but is still a concerning thing to keep an eye on.

On the other side, he appears to be a much better defender than what the scouting consensus wason him as a prospect

MJelinekMember since 2025
1 year ago

It’s really easy to nitpick subjective lists like this, but man Mason Winn feels like one that I can’t leave alone. He just seems wildly overrated here. There’s just no way teams are trading any of the guys ranked 32-50 straight up for him. Mason Winn for Grayson Rodriguez lol, the Orioles are laughing at that offer.

si.or.noMember since 2017
1 year ago

I really want to run a crowdsourced version of this. Where you take, idk, 60 players, create the ~1800 matchups, and have everybody roll through, picking which side of the trade they’d want.

We could even have people role play a scenario: 70% playoff odds, win-now mode. Or White Sox.

And then tally up the results! Let’s say it takes 30s/matchup. If a person spends an hour on this they could do 120 rounds. Mmm. Maybe no role-playing then.

jreyn24Member since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  si.or.no

That would be fun. KeepTradeCut.com does this (but ranking 3 players at a time instead of 2) to create crowd-sourced dynasty fantasy football rankings.

TheBSharpsMember since 2017
1 year ago

I do find it interesting that Luis Robert hasn’t been mentioned yet. I don’t think he’s worth a Top 30 spot with only two years of control left and his injury history and peripherals, but not even Top 50 or HM? I would have guessed he’d slot in around the mid 40s.

MRDXolMember since 2021
1 year ago
Reply to  TheBSharps

he’s got 3.5 years of control left, not 2. this year at $12.5M, next year guaranteed at $15M, and then $20M team options for both ’26 and ’27, which will be his age-28 and 29 seasons. I’m pretty confident he is in the top 30 if not yet mentioned

TheBSharpsMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  MRDXol

Ah, now it makes sense thanks.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  TheBSharps

I was just thinking about this. Who is going to trade CJ Abrams or Francisco Alvarez for a guy who cannot stay healthy?

MRDXolMember since 2021
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

someone who thinks his injury issues are a symptom of CHW incompetence, and they can do better at preventing injury

sadtromboneMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  MRDXol

I am willing to ascribe a lot of things to the White Sox’s incompetence but that seems like more of a risk than I would be willing to take.

jreyn24Member since 2025
1 year ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2941616

Same team that traded for Glasnow, apparently. Hasn’t stayed healthy doesn’t mean cannot stay healthy and they’d only need him healthy for the playoffs.

Baseball RandyMember since 2015
1 year ago

Excited to see how high up patrick bailey is

Mean Mr. Mustard
1 year ago

I can’t help but think I’d still take Albies over roughly half the list so far. Seven mill a year is so very little money for the dependable production. If roster construction or salary aren’t factors in these rankings then okay, but his contract is still incredible for both what you get on field and in flexibility.

FreshOJMember since 2025
1 year ago

The more that I watch Volpe, the more I see David Eckstein.

Volpe career 85 OPS+

Eckstein career 87 OPS+

MRDXolMember since 2021
1 year ago

masyn winn doesn’t belong up here. he’s super toolsy and could get way better, but the presently available evidence doesn’t bear this kind of value out.

He has blazing speed

winn’s sprint speed is 28.8 ft/s, 1.1 stdev above league average, 60-grade. good not great, and speed declines the quickest with age.

one of the strongest infield arms in the game

this is true! but this is more cool and ‘wow’ at SS than it is tremendously useful like at RF/C/3B. SS raw arm strength is more about meeting a minimum velo off quick-release, weird-angle, accurate throws than Here’s A Cannon. Lindor has been an elite SS defender for a decade now despite below-average raw arm strength.

and already looks like a defensive mainstay who’s going to be among the best defenders for years to come.

like his speed: publicly available evidence has indicated good not great. longenhagen has his glove at SS at a 50, pipeline has him at 55, BP has him at 60. KLaw and DRS both loooove his glove, but Statcast sees 50-55 and UZR 55-60 in his small samples.

He’s probably not going to hit 20 homers a season

this is underselling the lack of power. statcast metrics are not showing much power potential at all. using the stdev definition of scouting grades: his mean EV is 35-grade, EV/50 is 40-grade, max EV is 40+, FB/LD EV is 30+, barrels per batted ball are 35-grade, and barrels per AB are 35-grade. yeah, he’s a rookie! but all his power-related Statcast metrics are nearly identical to 2024 Tim Anderson’s.

He’s in the 88th percentile for contact rate, doesn’t strike out very often, and gears his swing for line drives. His BABIP is due for some regression, but I’m not alone in thinking he’ll hit for enviable average.

again, statistically: his K% is 55-grade and BB% is 45-grade (min. 100PA this year)

Combine that with his low strikeout rate and reasonable walk rate, and he’s going to get on base a ton.

there is really not much statistical evidence for this supposition. the plate discipline is about average, he’s certainly not crushing the ball for huge BABIP that way, and his home-to-1B time is 4.22sec, which is excellent (60+ grade) but not elite. and will be the first thing to leave on the aging curve.

He’s like Neto’s offense (plus a little)

his xwOBA is 30 points below Neto’s, and 35 points lower than his actual wOBA. some of that might be speed-based, but he’s getting lucky– even assuming his presently very high LD% won’t regress. there is not much evidence he’s ever going to produce above-average offense.

But he’s a low-ceiling player for someone who is universally liked

i don’t doubt that he’ll be a somewhat above-average player, maybe with some BABIP-driven peak 4-ish WAR years– but his defense is not (yet) nearly as measurably elite as Tovar’s or Volpe’s, and his bat has measurably much less pop in it than either of those two. I’m not taking that amount of projection still required to reach that level for an extra year of control vs. them, nor would I *ever* take that whole good-SS-def/questionable-bat profile over what Holliday and Wood present– plus an extra year of control for the latter two!

scotth855Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  MRDXol

Great analysis here.

Htpp
1 year ago

This part of the list is giving me some trouble; it’s really hard for me to believe teams would prefer some of these defense-first modest bats over some of the high performing and controllable pitching in 40-50/HM

Dmjn53
1 year ago

So the Honorable Mentions article specified that the formula is based off what the top trade offer for a player would be, not an aggregate value of the entire league.

It’s really hard for me to think that the top offer for a Zach Neto or Anthony Volpe would be more than what one team would trade for the right to pay Corey Seager $30m a year

richielampsMember since 2022
1 year ago

Seems to me a consensus industry top 5 prospect from less than a year ago (Francisco Alvarez) that has out-performed even those lofty expectations on both offense and defense would rank higher.

lukeMember since 2024
1 year ago

Where is 21-30? Isn’t it the 24th?

diminishedsixthsense
1 year ago

masyn winn over wyatt langford lollll