Baltimore Orioles Top 45 Prospects

Below is an analysis of the prospects in the farm system of the Baltimore Orioles. Scouting reports were compiled with information provided by industry sources as well as our own observations. This is the second year we’re delineating between two anticipated relief roles, the abbreviations for which you’ll see in the “position” column below: MIRP for multi-inning relief pitchers, and SIRP for single-inning relief pitchers.
A quick overview of what FV (Future Value) means can be found here. A much deeper overview can be found here.
All of the numbered prospects below also appear on The Board, a resource the site offers featuring sortable scouting information for every organization. It has more details than this article and integrates every team’s list so readers can compare prospects across farm systems. It can be found here.
| Rk | Name | Age | Highest Level | Position | ETA | FV |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Adley Rutschman | 24.0 | AAA | C | 2022 | 70 |
| 2 | Grayson Rodriguez | 22.2 | AA | SP | 2023 | 65 |
| 3 | D.L. Hall | 23.4 | AA | SP | 2022 | 55 |
| 4 | Colton Cowser | 21.9 | A | CF | 2024 | 50 |
| 5 | Gunnar Henderson | 20.6 | AA | 3B | 2024 | 50 |
| 6 | Coby Mayo | 20.2 | A | RF | 2025 | 50 |
| 7 | Kyle Bradish | 25.4 | AAA | SP | 2022 | 45+ |
| 8 | Kyle Stowers | 24.1 | AAA | RF | 2022 | 45 |
| 9 | Jordan Westburg | 23.0 | AA | 2B | 2024 | 45 |
| 10 | Heston Kjerstad | 23.0 | R | RF | 2024 | 45 |
| 11 | Terrin Vavra | 24.7 | AA | 2B | 2022 | 45 |
| 12 | Leandro Arias | 17.0 | R | SS | 2027 | 40+ |
| 13 | Connor Norby | 21.7 | A | 2B | 2025 | 40+ |
| 14 | Cesar Prieto | 22.7 | R | 2B | 2024 | 40+ |
| 15 | Drew Rom | 22.2 | AA | SP | 2023 | 40+ |
| 16 | Reed Trimble | 21.7 | A | CF | 2025 | 40+ |
| 17 | Kyle Brnovich | 24.3 | AA | SP | 2023 | 40 |
| 18 | Carter Baumler | 20.0 | R | SP | 2025 | 40 |
| 19 | Darell Hernaiz | 20.5 | A | SS | 2025 | 40 |
| 20 | Maikol Hernandez | 18.3 | R | SS | 2026 | 40 |
| 21 | Mishael Deson | 19.6 | A | LF | 2025 | 40 |
| 22 | Mike Baumann | 26.4 | MLB | SIRP | 2022 | 40 |
| 23 | Joseph Ortiz | 23.6 | AA | SS | 2023 | 40 |
| 24 | Anthony Servideo | 22.9 | A | SS | 2024 | 40 |
| 25 | Donta’ Williams | 22.6 | A | CF | 2025 | 40 |
| 26 | Hudson Haskin | 23.1 | A+ | CF | 2024 | 40 |
| 27 | Zach Watson | 24.6 | AA | CF | 2022 | 40 |
| 28 | Jean Pinto | 21.1 | A | SIRP | 2024 | 40 |
| 29 | Cadyn Grenier | 25.3 | AAA | SS | 2023 | 40 |
| 30 | Jahmai Jones | 24.5 | MLB | 2B | 2022 | 40 |
| 31 | Alexander Wells | 25.0 | MLB | SP | 2022 | 40 |
| 32 | Brandon Young | 23.5 | A+ | SP | 2024 | 35+ |
| 33 | John Rhodes | 21.5 | A | 3B | 2025 | 35+ |
| 34 | Felix Bautista | 26.6 | AAA | SIRP | 2022 | 35+ |
| 35 | Bryan Baker | 27.2 | MLB | SIRP | 2022 | 35+ |
| 36 | Logan Gillaspie | 24.8 | AA | MIRP | 2022 | 35+ |
| 37 | Carlos Tavera | 23.3 | A | MIRP | 2025 | 35+ |
| 38 | Morgan McSweeney | 24.4 | AA | SIRP | 2023 | 35+ |
| 39 | Tyler Burch | 24.4 | AA | SIRP | 2023 | 35+ |
| 40 | Keagan Gillies | 24.0 | R | SIRP | 2025 | 35+ |
| 41 | Tyler Nevin | 24.7 | MLB | 1B | 2022 | 35+ |
| 42 | Kevin Smith | 24.7 | AAA | SP | 2022 | 35+ |
| 43 | Cole Uvila | 28.0 | AAA | SIRP | 2023 | 35+ |
| 44 | Ignacio Feliz | 22.3 | A+ | SP | 2023 | 35+ |
| 45 | Isaac Mattson | 26.6 | MLB | SIRP | 2022 | 35+ |
Other Prospects of Note
Grouped by type and listed in order of preference within each category.
Upper-Level Pitching Depth
Zach Peek, RHP
Garrett Stallings, RHP
Zac Lowther, LHP
Adam Stauffer, RHP
Rickey Ramirez, RHP
Nolan Hoffman, RHP
Peek and Stallings are the final acquisitions from the Angels who you’ll read about on this list. Peek has two breaking balls that spin at 3,000 rpm and he throws a ton of strikes, but the visual evaluations of his stuff are more vanilla and he has starter No. 7-10 projection. So does Stallings, who sits about 90 mph and has five pitches. Lowther is a former FanGraphs fave due to his delivery’s deceptive elements but they haven’t stood up to upper-level bats and he now a depth evaluation, too. Stauffer, a former high school selection out of Coatesville, PA, has put up great numbers in a long relief role but nobody — neither eyeball scouts, nor data folks — can figure out how he’s doing it. The 23-year-old doesn’t have an especially weird delivery or anything, but he has a career 3.27 ERA and great strikeout-to-walk ratios for the last couple of years. Ramirez, 25, and Hoffman, 24, are both former minor league Rule 5 picks, with Hoffman going first overall this offseason. Ramirez, picked from Minnesota, has a bevy of pitches, some of which have plus-plus spin, and he sits 94. He was old for A-ball in 2021. Hoffman is a side-armer whose fastball has huge tailing action, and he throws strikes with it. He has a bullpen shot.
Young International Players to Watch
Braylin Tavera, OF
Anderson De Los Santos, 3B
Moises Ramirez, 3B
Isaac De Leon, SS
Tavera got $1.7 million a few weeks ago and is a well-rounded corner outfield prospect with medium projection. De Los Santos and Ramirez are both somewhat mature teenage third base prospects who performed in the DSL and FCL, respectively. De Leon didn’t perform with the bat in 2021 but scouts still like his glove and body projection.
Catching Depth
Samuel Basallo, C
Creed Willems, C
Connor Pavolony, C
Maverick Handley, C
Basallo was the youngest prospect on Baltimore’s DSL team and hit for power down there. He has a low-ball swing with above-average bat speed but is physically maxed out already at 17. Willems is a stout over-slot high school draftee with power and risk of moving to first base. Pavolony and Handley were college draftees who had good careers at huge schools. Handley (Stanford) is the better catch-and-throw athlete, while Pavolony (Tennessee) has some power and a great frame.
Developmental Arms
Raul Rangel, RHP
Alejandro Mendez, RHP
Dylan Heid, RHP
Justin Armbruester, RHP
Deivy Cruz, LHP
Juan De Los Santos, RHP
There was support for Rangel as high as the 40 FV tier. He’s a projectable teenage righty with a delivery that drew mixed reviews. He throws strikes, though, and already sits 90-93 mph at age 19, which pairs with a changeup that flashes plus and a workable slider. Mendez, 20, is pure arm strength, sitting 96 and touching 100. Heid was the O’s 11th rounder out of tiny Pittsburgh-Johnstown. He sits in the low-90s with backspin/carry elements, can turn over a changeup quite well, and has a fringe slider. Armbruester is a deceptive righty out of New Mexico, garnering in-zone whiffs despite sitting 90-92. He and Heid are potential arrow-up types with pro dev tools at their disposal. Cruz is a super loose, athletic 17-year-old lefty who carved the DSL sitting 86-87 with a shapely slider. He’s a deep athletic projection guy at this point. De Los Santos, 19, pitched on the complex sitting 89-94 with cut, a mid-80s slider, and a change that flashes average.
Water-Carrying Raw Power
J.D. Mundy, DH
Andrew Daschbach, 1B
TT Bowens, 1B
Cristopher Cespedes, RF
Isaac Bellony, 1B
This entire group is at or near the bottom of the defensive spectrum and has a power-over-hit offensive profile. Mundy, 23, spent some time at Virginia Tech before transferring to Radford, where he was a senior sign. He’s a husky lefty power bat with big early-career performance in a sample that’s a little small in part due to a long IL stint. Daschbach hit for power at Stanford and had 16 homers in 2021, but struck out 35% of the time as a 24-year-old in A-ball. Bowens, 23, was a senior sign out of Central Connecticut State, the second alum of that school in FanGraphs prospect list history (J.P. Sportman of the A’s was the other), who also performed consistently in college and now in A-ball. Cespedes, 23, had some of the bigger exit velos in the 2019 minors while in Cleveland’s system, and was a Baltimore minor league Rule 5 pick. He’s still hitting for power despite a poor approach. Bellony, a 20-year-old switch hitter from the island of St. Thomas, is the most projectable of this group but also the farthest away.
System Overview
Nobody promised that the turnaround would be quick when Mike Elias became the general manager of the Baltimore Orioles prior to the 2019 season. Instead of focusing on the quality of the major league roster, Elias and company put all of their efforts into generating a productive player pipeline. They built one of the better analytics groups in the game, overhauled their player development system, brought modernity to their draft process, and built an international operation from scratch, including a new complex in the Dominican Republic that is scheduled to open in 2023.
Nonetheless, three years in, a composite winning percentage of .341 at the big league level has created some restlessness among Orioles fans, who want to see results and understandably so; the club hasn’t made the playoffs since 2016 and has finished in the American League East’s basement eight times in the last 15 seasons. 2022 represents the year when the first returns from all that recent work should start to manifest on the field in Baltimore. Nobody is saying the Orioles are going to win the division this year; nobody is saying they’ll compete for a playoff spot or even have a winning record. But what we should expect is a team that finally has some exciting young players on the major league roster, players who can provide optimism for the future of the franchise, and as something more than trade chips.
Outside of Adley Rutschman and Grayson Rodriguez, this isn’t an especially star-studded system, but it’s certainly a deep one and it’s hard to criticize any collection of minor leaguers that features both the best overall prospect in the game as well as the best pitcher, both of whom should see Camden Yards this year. But that’s been Elias’ game since he ran the draft with the Astros: find as many big leaguers as possible, even if they don’t have overly-high upside at the time, and let some of them surprise you by exceeding expectations. That’s not to say that the current regime is overly conservative when it comes to player acquisition. While the Orioles are still college-centric drafters, of the 11 seven-figure-or-higher bonuses the team has given out over the last three years, four have gone to prep talents, and the club hasn’t shied away from spending equally large sums in the even riskier international market. There are certainly some safety plays here, but the team isn’t afraid to diversify either.
The Orioles finished 48 games out of first place in the division in 2021, but perhaps even more jarring is the fact that they were 39 games out of fourth place. It just goes to show that even with the optimism this system is likely to inspire in long-suffering fans in 2022, the road to actually mattering in the standings remains a long and arduous one.
No Adam Hall? Figured he’d be at least be in the 40 FV tier
No Adam Hall. We researched him (and many others) and he didn’t make the cut.
“Outside of the #1 prospect in the game who we thought about giving an 80 and a definite Top-5 prospect who is undoubtedly the best pitching prospect in the game, this system is not particularly star studded” brings new depth to the glass-is-half-empty rhetoric.
Although to be fair, I’m about 75% certain that DL Hall is a reliever. Everyone wants to dream on a guy like him being Blake Snell or Robbie Ray. But if you’re going to be walking batters more than 10% of the time as a starter, you are probably going to be more valuable in the bullpen. It’s kind of like guys who strikeout more than a third of the time…when you don’t have control over the zone, the whole rest of your game is teetering precariously on the edge. So guys like Snell and Ray have generally been best when their walk rates are hovering around 9% (or less), which doesn’t seem like a big difference but it really is. What’s a grade for a guy who has an actual shot of being Josh Hader, but also could very possibly be another Tanner Scott or Paul Fry?
I would argue Blake Snell should probably be a reliever
I think it speaks to how far away they are behind the other teams, no? Would the best position/pitching prospects make up 40 games in the standings? After that it’s a bunch of 50’s, who may or may not break out. At least a lot of these guys are going to debut in 2022, so maybe that hastens their progress and they get some Mullens-like breakouts.
They also haven’t really done much at all internationally, which they’re finally changing. But that will take years to have an impact. I don’t envy this organizations road, even when compared to my Bucs. Here’s hoping to a 2026 WS of Bucs-O’s.
I don’t know, a 55 and three 50s beyond that…it’s pretty good from a “possible star” perspective. Here’s the list of players graded at 50 and up by team so far:
SFG: 6
PIT: 6
BAL: 6
NYY: 5
CHC: 5
DET: 4
ARI: 4
MIL: 2
TOR: 2
PHI: 2
OAK: 1
COL: 1
I think we can quibble with a couple of the guys on this list (Hall, Henderson), but also with some of them on the Giants (Bart, Bailey, Ramos), Yankees (Medina, maybe even Vargas), Cubs (Alcantra, Caissie), and Pirates (Gonzales). And even if we drop Hall to a 50 he’d still be up there. Plus I think they might be a bit conservative on Cowser (I’ve changed my mind on him). And going up to 55 as the cutoff means they’re the only team profiled so far with 3 55s or higher.
They may view those 50’s though as solid type of contributors here rather than stars, and among the 50’s, Mayo seems like the one who may be more star like. Colton Cowser and Kevin Alcantara are both 50’s but I’d say they have a much wider variance, don’t you think? Also, maybe they’re less impressed with the 45+ and below and their likelihood of turning into stars as well. I dunno, they’re still the highest rated system so far. And even with that, it ain’t gonna make up 40-50 games in the standings.
Reid Detmers erasure smh
lol whoops
Still, there are worse places to start a rebuild than with the best overall and best pitching prospect in the game. They also have a front office in place that can be trusted that they know what they’re doing.
I’m not an Orioles fan, so no bias here, but I think this site has been far too critical of them. In terms of “worst” situations I wouldn’t even have them in the bottom 5
Sign of the times….it’s never not enough
This has to be the most glowing 1-2 prospect duo review that Fangraphs has ever written, right? Awesome read.
I was wondering the same thing myself . . .
The Rays had the #1 (Wander Franco) & #3 prospect (Randy Arozarena) in all of baseball last year and Franco was an 80. IMO, an 80/60 beats a 70/65.
Good point.
I was thinking more of top pitcher and top position player…..
Rays just missed that last year (Patino was 2nd to Pearson). In 2018, Ohtani was the top prospect, so maybe that’s the real answer. 🙂
eric’s write-up of Chicago’s return in the Chris Sale trade was not dissimilar– moncada was at the time the #1 prospect in baseball, if maybe not quite as strong of one as like Wander, and Kopech was known as the guy that threw 105 lol
Didn’t the Orioles run this path with Wieters? What’s different this time?
They are two different people?
I haven’t seen an Adley Rutschman Facts website yet.
The fact that they are different players? I think it’s weird to assume that every good Orioles catching prospect isn’t going to work out because Matt Weiters didn’t live up to expectations.
Can’t it be a serious question as to the differences of one super catching prospect versus another super catching prospect? Why did one not live up to the hype and what in the new shiny toy makes him shinier?
I guess I don’t know what Matt Weiters has to do with it. Does one have to answer this question for every top prospect? How is this guy not [insert failed prospect] here? They are prospects. By default they have great variability.
This is a comparison between like prospects. You do that all day long. What makes one different than the other? If you don’t know or don’t care then say that.
Why does it have to be Wieters though? Adley’s game is much closer to a Buster Posey type anyways, he’s a better defender and has better discipline than Wieters, without the same power projection.
Wieters plate discipline in the minors was really good as well.
In fact, Wieters and Adley’s numbers as a 23 year old at AAA are eerily similar. With that said, two different players, and if Wieters had stayed healthy, and continued to play like he did as a 25 and a 26 year old, he’d be on the backside of a HoF career.
Weiters had a little more power but also hit way more ground balls. He also struck out more relative to league average (which was under 20% then and is now closer to 30%).
Because a catcher with a 60 hit tool, 55 game power, 70 field, and a 60 arm is a 5-win player? It’s worth noting that Wieters actually had a couple of seasons that were a bit like that, but he broke down early, like many catchers do. This is also referenced in the report above, where they said that the worry about him breaking down was why they didn’t give him an 80.
While Wieters may feel like a disappointment, the dude made four AS games and had 15-20 WAR. Maybe it’s the hype and not the player who is the problem. I blame the internet.
Catching is hard. Wieters put up some really high WAR numbers at 25 and 26, then started missing time with injuries… There’s a reason Bryce Harper plays RF.
Bold prediction time: Adley Rutschman will fall somewhere in between Matt Wieters and Buster Posey when his career is all over.
He’s gonna make O’s fans forget about Chris Hoiles. Side note: Hoiles was really good.
For that matter, how is Rutschman different from Bryce Harper or Brian McCann?
If this is an audition to be a NY Jets fans, you’re in. There’s few things more relevant than the upsetting past when it comes to these pesky youths making money to play a game!
Imo ver generous 55 FV given to DL Hall given big strike issues and very generous 50 FV’s given out too
I would grade Cowser and Norby a bit better and Hall, Henderson, and Stowers a bit worse. I think Cowser has Brandon Nimmo-type offensive potential and if he is average-to-plus in CF I think he’s got a floor of a 2.5 win player. But I think we also need to see more of Henderson, and I agree on Hall.
Stowers over Westburg an eyebrow raiser for me too, though I know Eric has long been high on Stowers. Would have expected Westburg as a 50 or 45+.
I’ve been a little skeptical of Westburg for a while–he profiles a bit like Dylan Moore to me. Some upside there but I think they got him right. I think when Eric looks at Stowers he sees someone who has a chance of being Joc Pederson or Brett Phillips if everything breaks right, but I’m very skeptical of that. He doesn’t field like Phillips and he doesn’t hit like Pederson. He’s probably more like a guy who hits like Phillips and fields like Pederson…kind of like Derek Fisher in overall value, with a ceiling of Seth Brown.
I think cowser’s floor is far below that. The 70 hit is very generous, i think he’s more of a 60 hit/45 power guy that’s stretched in center.
If he’s a below average guy in CF, a la Nimmo, then yeah, you can probably drop both his ceiling and his floor by about a win. I don’t think he’s going to have a wRC+ less than 90, though, so I don’t think his floor drops below a win. So I’d put his floor at 2 wins (not 2.5, I did the math right this time!) if he’s a slightly above average CF.
Bal: 375
Pitt: 326
CHC: 271.5
AZ: 255.5
SF: 248.5
Det: 221
NYY: 214
Tor: 155.5
Phi: 141
Mil: 137
Colorado: 112
Oakland: 105
LAA: 79
I am pretty sure the only competition for the top farm system in baseball is going to be the Mariners. The Rays, Marlins, Pirates, and Royals have good systems but it is really hard to top a system that has the best position player prospect and the best pitching prospect in baseball.
By fg probably true. Imo baltimore has the most overrated farm in baseball and lacks much impact outside the top 2. Pitt/TB/Sea all easily better and others I’d take over Baltimore too. Tho fg is privy to more info than me obviously
I think Seattle is probably the top one. Then Baltimore, then Pittsburgh, although they’re close. I’m not sure where TB, MIA, and KC would fit in that group, but probably below Pittsburgh. Aside from Baz I doubt TB has anyone better than a 50 unless we’re high on Brujan.
Is everyone forgetting the Dodgers?
Good depth in the system, no obvious headliners. Andy Pages will be if he keeps the K’s down in AA, though. Bobby Miller looks very good and is probably the second best prospect in the system. Michael Busch and Miguel Vargas might hit enough. Diego Cartaya is high risk, high reward. A couple guys who could be multi-inning buzzsaw types? Also, they have a guy named “Outman” but he hits so that’s not ideal. Overall the system is good and might potentially fit in after Seattle, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh with TB / MIA / KC / ARI / CLE.
I’m worried about Outman…
Look forward to this post as much as I do the prospect right ups, thank you so much Matt.
I get more shocked every time how bad that Angels MiLB is, yikes.
Wait until you see the White Sox list. They might not even have a prospect at FV45 or above.
jose rodriguez is probably gonna be a 45+, maybe a 50, he raked at a/a+ at age 19/20 this year showing newfound pop and will prolly stick in the MIF. other than that uhhh… norge vera spent his tax-saving summer in the Dominican blowing away 17 year olds with newfound triple digits?
My Nationals are probably worse than LAA.
Nah, Ruiz still has prospect eligibility, and Cavalli and House are potential 50s. Gets pretty bleak after those three, though.
a shocking amount of ink has been spilled on adley rutschman’s personality (i am a big fan of FG doing this, btw). The effect is that i’m equally excited to see that part of his game as I am all the other parts. has anyone ever received this “clubhouse leader” type hype as a prospect? its kinda silly but also i kinda get it.
i read some interview with him and it just seems like hes a regular nice kid, which i guess is a bit unusual for the hyper-focused travel team circuit of kids with vicariously-living helicopter parents
I’ve heard his clubhouse leadership is Hosmer-esque. I don’t like comparing players to generational talents like Mike Trout’s hit tool, Jacob deGrom’s fastball, or Eric Hosmer’s clubhouse presence, but Rutchmann is just that special
How much morale above replacement is Hosmer and is it something we’ll look back (kind of like framing) to realize Hosmer’s SDP contract was a steal?
It’s encouraging to see some int’l guys finally show up here. It’s also a bit striking how almost all of the 40/45 FV tier SPs that were on the last two lists have fallen off or not performed after graduating. It will take time to see whether that’s bad luck or a development/acquisition failure, but the lack of SP depth on this list stands out to me.
Interesting that Mayo is already being projected to play RF. Is this in part due to seeing Henderson at 3B long term?
Nah. He’s 6-5/215 and getting bigger. It all screams a future in a corner.
wish we could post images in the comments so I could post the Vince McMahon reaction meme as the 70 grade pitches keep coming in the Grayson Rodriguez writeup
A small suggestion but have you ever considered putting the System Overview section at the top? It would serve as a great introduction/context for the list and honestly I sometimes forget to scroll all the way down to read it. (People who focus on the top 20 or so prospects and may not get there either.) Anyways, very appreciative of all your work!
Duly noted. It’s a valid point, and frankly, I’m not sure if I like it better at the top or the bottom. I think it’s always a good exercise to think about how we do prospect lists and how we would do them differently as opposed to just going in every year and saying this is how we do them.
I’d been thinking along these lines as well and wondered if there couldn’t be a link to jump down to the system overview if one wanted to read it first.
I would also like the system overview at the top. I always scroll down to the bottom and read it first anyway.
Couldn’t agree more. It doesn’t really make sense as a short conclusion after a ton of detailed paragraphs. It would function way better an an introduction/abstract type of bit.
See I kind of like it at the end, but I also don’t seem to care about this nearly as much as the people who want it at the front. I’ll love it either way.
Orioles fan here with some thoughts:
Hall – I’m fine with a 55 because if he hits, he’s going to be a serious star, and he might make it in the pen, but I think most of us have given up on him staying healthy and being a serious contributor. I would have gone 50.
Cowser – Probably should be a 55.
Mayo – Good to see an outlet notice him! This is why you go underslot. If something unexpected happens to your top guy, you have some lower guys.
Arias – I haven’t seen any outlet this high on him, he only signed for 600k. Interesting for sure.
Prieto – He might end up a 45 by the end of the year.
Grenier – LOL seeing him here.
Lowther – Was decent near the end. Additionally seemed to have poor batted ball luck. He’s no less a 40 than Baumann.
Creed Willems – You may regret this one…
Thanks for the list! Very excited for prospects week, which should be coming soon.
Cowser’s write up, at least regarding the offense, gives off extremely Markakis vibes. Perhaps Markakis’ ghost is to forever haunt the outfield at Camden Yards due to leaving the game with unfinished business (3000 hits).
The most exciting thing about Cowser is that he has the Markakis profile while being able to stick in center. Interesting that FG was the only platform that was high on him going into the draft, largely because they were the only ones that thought he could be a center fielder. Now after a couple of months, pretty much every other outlet loves Cowser and agrees he’s a center fielder. Very strange.
I would argue that you could peg Cowser’s offensive profile entirely within Nick Markakis’s career, with production corresponding to his 2008 at the high end and 2017 at the low end. If those defensive grades are for real, that puts his floor somewhere around 2 wins and his ceiling somewhere around 6 wins. That is a really, really good prospect.
I was thinking before the draft that his ceiling was like Brandon Nimmo, a tweener outfielder with huge on-base percentages and not so much power. But if he can play a credible center field, his ceiling is better than that, and it raises his floor considerably too.
Brandon Nimmo is a borderline star. Hurt all the time but has averaged 4.3 WAR per 162. That’s a pretty high ceiling
To be fair, there are a lot of outcomes where he hits worse than Nimmo and very very few where he hits better. But if he can play average or better defense in CF, he might not need to hit quite as well as Nimmo to have a similar impact. It’s just so rare to find a guy with this kind of a hit tool, so his offensive floor is surprisingly high.
So this is a good system, but we should probably talk about the elephant in the room: Who is going to lock down the rotation for the next 5-10 years? Barring injuries or the yips, which could take down any of these guys…
-Means (for a couple of years, assuming he stays)
-Rodriguez (barring injury or the yips, he’s a lock)
-Rom (probably a starter of some kind, has a small shot to be a 3-win guy)
-Brnovich (50/50 on whether 40 fastball is enough, if so he’s probably a back-end guy)
-Young, Smith, and Peek (could become Brnovich if things break right, who himself is a guy who needs things to break right)
-Lowther, Akin, Kremer (got hammered hard in 2021, if you’re lucky one of them might be a starter. If you’re lucky)
-Wells (probably can’t pitch with a 30 fastball long-term and gets DFA’d when he’s out of options)
-Bradish (probably a reliever or piggyback guy)
-Hall (probably a reliever or piggyback guy)
-Baumler (coming off TJ, hasn’t pitched in pro ball yet)
-Zimmermann (future DFA fodder)
So barring injuries or the yips, that’s three guys who are likely starters, one guy who is 50/50, six guys who are somewhere between 10/90 and 25/75, and five guys who you can’t count on. If my math is right, this looks like a system that will only provide 5 obvious MLB starters if everyone miraculously stays healthy and doesn’t get the yips. That is not good. Not good at all.
I mean, the Cubs filled out 4 of their 5 starters through FA and/or trades when they won the WS. Every team has to buy some players, even the Rays buy free agents.
To be fair, unless they extend Means this is very likely what the Orioles are going to have to do too, making this scenario a bit less like an outlier and more like what we would expect to happen. It’s an expensive way to do things.
nats 2019 WS win – stras was the only starter from nats system. as for relievers, wander suero and tanner rainey ate innings in low leverage moments. they were the only other homegrown nats that pitched that postseason
An expensive way to do things!
But the point is that it is feasible. If the Orioles have a rotation with Rodriguez, Means, and Bradish/Hall, as well as likely one of the 40 guys “breaking out” to become a passable starter, that’s not too bad, and much better than the Nats had. Would just need one more above average starter plus a Rich Hill type.
And consider just how strong this lineup is:
OF Mullins (MVP candidate last year, likely 3-6 WAR player)
1B Mountcastle (worth 2.5-3.5 WAR this year after his initial early slump as he adjusted to the bigs).
C Rustchman (Generational player)
RF Hays (3 WAR guy)
OF Cowser (High floor guy, probably a lite version of Michael Brantley, but with a better glove.)
IF Urias (1-3 WAR guy)
Plus maybe Santander, Westburg, Kjerstad become something. Henderson would be on the way shortly thereafter. Plus if they pick a college player #1 they’d be arriving quick.
That’s a very good lineup without even needing to add many pieces! One more top player through trade or FA would make that a very, very good lineup.
Is it feasible? It is if everyone else is pre-arb, or you’re better at evaluating pitchers than everyone else, or you’re willing to spend wildly. I don’t know.
Presumably they’ll be able to supplement in free agency once they’re more competitive. I can’t think of many good ML rotations built entirely from the team’s farm.
Yes, but usually you get more than a couple of guys too! Of the teams profiled so far, almost all of the systems that you could call “good” have more plausible starters than this. To find teams that have fewer plausible starters than this looking at both guys with lots of team control in MLB and who is coming up…I don’t think it exists.
Yes, but how many of those systems have this sheer quantity of Offense prospects (that could maybe be flipped for a pitcher)?
We’ll see in a few years what it looks like (when presumably they’d go looking to trade) but teams don’t like to trade pitching, especially controllable pitching. You can do this with a thought experiment of what it would take to acquire John Means in a trade–what set of players in the Orioles’ system would be roughly equal to the value of Means right now?
If they have 5 plausible candidates to start, that qualifies as more than a couple. And I strongly disagree that they have fewer than any other system. Looking at the Pirates, while they have Contreras/ Priester, the next guys they have on the list are Chandler (just drafted) and Jones (did well at A ball but…it’s A ball). The Pirates certainly don’t have anyone like Gant on their MLB roster and neither of their pitching prospects (though good) aren’t as good as the O’s top two.
You’re looking at a 5-10 year plan? With pitchers?! There’s no amount of pitching prospects you can throw at that problem and just cite internal sources. And it’s certainly not worth fretting over in that way.
They won’t have 5 plausible candidates to start. That’s only if none of them get the yips or hurt. For comparison purposes, if we were to do the same thing for the Pirates, we’re looking at something like this:
Brubaker (Means bucket)
Thompson, Contreras, Priester (Rom bucket)
Yajure, Jones, Chandler, Solometo, Keller, Kranick, Bryse Wilson (10-25 / 75-90 bucket)
Chen, Malone, Cruz, Yean, Crowe, Tejada, Garcia, plus some more I probably missed (don’t count on us bucket)
You’re probably looking at getting 6 or 7 guys out of that group before injuries and the yips. No one is likely to be as good as Rodriguez, but I think you can assume that they’ll get 3 or 4 starters out of this group at some point, whereas with the Orioles I would guess they’re going to get 2.
I keep saying Gant and somehow confusing him with Means.
To act like it’s preordained that one of those guys will be viable starters is folly and premature. Pitchers change drastically, and some of the 45s (who the poster below noted you ignored) could break out.
Also, Brubaker does not equal Means in the sense that JT is barely a five and Means has compiled about 6x as much WAR as him.
Upthread, you’re talking about the writers’ glass half-empty views of the system. Kinda the same thing here.
How many teams have a completely homegrown rotation? You can’t go full organic there. They’ll supplement with trades or free agents.
ATL has Fried, Anderson, Soroka, Ynoa, Toussaint, Davidson, Wright.
And Morton of course. But close.
I find it odd you immediately discount the 45+ guy but consider Rom and Brnovich possibilities.
And why not Baumler? Do guys never come back from TJ?
No, but a guy who has never pitched in the pros and is recovering from TJ is about as high risk as you can get.
I don’t see how Hall or Bradish are going to throw enough strikes to give you more than 2-3 innings at a time. They could be awesome, but probably not as starters.
I mentioned it further up, but I don’t think criticizing the pitching depth in the system is unfair. Elias seems to have gone with an approach of bulk acquiring 40FV tier pitching prospects via trade and trying to pitching dev them into 50s while spending almost all of his draft capital on bats. Rodriguez and Hall are easily the best arms in the system and they were drafted by the prior front office. The rest of the potential starters (many of whom to be fair were not acquired by Elias) that have cropped up on the 2020 and 2021 lists look less likely to pan out now vs. when those were published and since they haven’t been taking pitching in the draft there’s not really a back bench of lower minors prospects that are likely to fill those gaps.
I think saying that Baltimore will just pay their way out of this if none of the depth arms pan out is easier said than done since there’s no recent history of this club being able or willing to pay the price necessary to coax good pitchers to come to Camden Yards, even when they were running payrolls north of $150MM and actively trying to win.
Right, I mean, Kevin wrote a whole article about this! “Amid Another Awful Season, Do the Orioles Have a Path Forward?” Anyone who is saying that this a-ok is really not thinking about this straight. You lose half your pitching prospects to injuries, a lot of other ones don’t develop, and their current roster has exactly one guy who is a functional major league starter. This is a bad situation.
You can buy your way out of bad situations if you don’t mind giving multiple guys AAVs of $15M-$25M a year for a very long time, but if they have to pay a premium for it or they need to spend elsewhere it’s not looking like a viable strategy.
But they still have the 2nd best farm system despite there not being a ton of pitching talent. This speaks to the overall talent level they have, regardless of which side of the ball it’s on. And if pitching prospects are so hard to have work out, wouldn’t you prefer a ton of good hitters?
I just don’t understand the criticism at all. The Orioles have the 2nd best farm, why does it matter whether they are pitchers or hitters? FG already takes this into account when assigning values.
Their strong hitting prospects will mean they can afford to cheap out on the lineup and spend on pitching.
It’s hard to criticize when the overall system is this good. But the system is also seriously unbalanced, and I don’t think it’s that simple to trade prospects for pitchers later or sign pitchers in free agency. It takes an FV50 to land a competent pitcher with a couple of years of team control (Kyle Gibson) and about 4 years, $50M to sign one in free agency (Jon Gray, Steven Matz). That’s just if you want competence for a couple of years; getting someone better (or who is likely to be better for longer) the cost goes up. Even if they extend Means now, it’s gonna cost a lot.
If you’re going to be unbalanced, this is the way to go. In 2019, on this here website, the Braves had FIVE pitching prospects who were rated as a 50 or higher: Anderson, Soroka, Touki, Gohara, and Wilson. Of those five, only Anderson really was a contributor to this season. And three more 45s or higher of who only Muller was a contributor. So my lesson from this is, absolutely do not depend solely on internal prospects to be the backbone of your contender. Would you say the Braves didn’t have enough top end pitching prospects? Or that there is never enough?
It’s not that simple to trade prospects for pitchers? The Bucs traded Joe Musgrove and JT for prospects in the same offseason. So yeah, it has been done and fairly recently. If they’re getting to a point of contention, why can’t they do that in 2-3 years?
Where were Ynoa and Fried?
With ATL they also hit the bullseye on Acuna and Albies.
I didn’t like the strategy at the time, hitting prospects seem more like sure things. I’d rather trade for a bunch of 1 WAR pre arb pitchers you think will be healthy that a repertoire tweak will bump to 2.5 or something and then also sign like a Morton type.
But it worked for ATL. If anything it’s how remarkably efficient their position player development has worked out.
It’s that point in time when all those guys were 50 plus. Fried they traded for and didn’t have him at that time.
I think that spending draft capital on pitching prospects is a poor investment. As pointed out upthread, Elias has acquired some pitching prospects via trade (some that look good, Bradish, Brnovich, Pinto), some not so much (Kevin Smith). But I do wonder if Elias isn’t planning on trying to sign a bunch of low investment pitchers in hopes a few pop. And by low investment, I mean post 5th round, 100K international signings.
I mean obviously you need to care about what side of the ball they play on because the Orioles cant play all seven or whatever utility IFs they have in their system at the same time.
I don’t think it’s crazy to not want to base your competitive strategy entirely on how plausible it is that you’ll find willing trade partners for hitting prospects or be able to sign what looks like at minimum three actually good SPs. You can argue that they can do it and it’s not implausible, but I wouldn’t want to be on the side of the bet that needs the Orioles to commit > $200MM long term to SPs in free agency.
But the thing is that most lineups are not fielded entirely from the farm system either. There’s 13 position player slots on a team. The Orioles will ideally be able to fill more of those than a team that has more pitchers. So instead of needing to sign Avasail Garcia, they can sign Steven Matz.
Given that position playing prospects break down much less frequently, the system won’t go sideways due to injury. An farm system that was heavily reliant on pitching prospects would run that risk. What’s the answer here? That there are never enough pitching prospects? No kidding, that’s why you’ll go external for lots of it.
I see all the comments on this & the down votes & my first question is: What are the Orioles trying to build? A winning team or the top farm system ranking? There’s a difference. Taking the prospect rankings & adding up the values & saying “all is good” is different than having it apply to the field due to the positional overlap & pitching scarcity.
Maybe it works out for them, but, I am questioning it.
Let’s compare them to another rebuilding team in Detroit, who has:
Spencer Turnbull in the Means role.
Mize, Skubal, Manning already up with 5-6 years of team control left.
Jobe as a 50 (& one that could be a 60-65 once he debuts)
Olson, Wentz, Madden as 45
Brieske as a 40+
5 guys in the 40 tier- Faedo, Richan, Rodriguez, Smith, Hernandez.
That is 14 guys, 9 of them above the last tier of long shots. Baltimore has 8 guys at 40 or above, 5 of them in the 40+ tier , 3 in the 40 tier of longshots & the 3rd highest ranked pitcher (Hall at 55) has strike throwing issues. If he makes it, they’ll likely be fine because they’ll only need to fill in the 4/5 spots, but, if he doesn’t, they’re gonna have issues. They have ZERO room for attrition.
BTW, this is not to say Detroit is great or better..they have their own issues, esp with bats, but, it’s a lot easier to get hitting in trades/FA market than pitching.
Is it really easier to get hitters though? Maybe outfielders or DH/1B types. Most teams need to add the 1-2 WAR types to fill out their roster. The Orioles just happen to need them on the pitching side and lots of those guys are available every year (e.g. basically the whole Giants rotation or the recent Twins)
Or rather than building a top farm system, they’re realizing that stockpiling arms doesn’t get you very far because that market is so volatile. Look at the example you gave with Detroit. Mize, Manning, and Skubal combined for less than three WAR in nearly 400 innings. And all of them were 60’s I believe. I know the pandemic may have thrown all the pitchers off kilter, but that wasn’t exactly an auspicious start for those arms.
While I certainly agree that the pitching is light here, that can certainly change with another draft and a breakout or two.
There’s a really big misconception about what the volatile nature of pitching prospects means, and I’m seeing it all over these comments. Individual pitchers are more volatile and risky because they fail. But if TINSTAAP is true–if there is no such thing as a pitching prospect–it doesn’t mean you should avoid them. It means you should get more of them! If you don’t have starting pitchers, you’re dead. So you need to have a huge number of them in the pipeline just to get a few (or an absolutely massive amount of money, a la the Nationals and Cubs title winning teams).
In general, I’m against drafting pitchers early unless they really are obviously the best player available (so Mize and Jobe, I wouldn’t do that) and in favor of drafting massive numbers of them after Round 1. If the main concern with pitchers is attrition rather than development, then spending single high-value picks on pitchers is not a good idea but spending many mid-tier value picks on them is. Sure, you can miss on Max Scherzer, Gerrit Cole, or Aaron Nola with that strategy, but you won’t miss on Corbin Burnes, Jacob deGrom, or Shane Bieber. Perhaps more importantly, you probably won’t lack for depth. Having multiple Austin Gombers is important if you want to win.
So, how are the Orioles doing with drafting pitchers? The Orioles have drafted a whopping two (!!!) pitchers in the first 5 rounds. This is way less than nearly any team in major league baseball. Even if you only look at the teams Eric has profiled so far, and only look at guys who Eric thinks are going to be starters, the Yankees, Cubs, Rockies, D-Backs, Tigers, Angels, Phillies, Pirates, Giants and Blue Jays all have more than 2 guys who they themselves selected in the top 5 rounds. The D-Backs have selected something like 8 who Eric grades as starters. Eight! The Orioles are a major outlier.
I don’t think it’s a misconception as much as people don’t agree with your take. Which is cool! That’s why we’re all here for to have heated and fun takes on baseball. As far as getting “more” of them, when is it enough? Because as I laid out with the Braves situation above, just because you have a bunch of 50 arms doesn’t mean it’s gonna shake out that way at the MLB level. Because the arms have such a high attrition rate, should you focus only on volume of arms? I’m not sure that’s a solution.
Just because the Orioles haven’t drafted many pitchers in the first five rounds doesn’t mean they won’t in the future. Don’t you think it’s likely they didn’t like the pitchers there as much as the position players in those drafts? Are you suggesting a better frame of thinking is “well we really liked this prep OF with the third round, and our 2-4 choices are position players, but let’s pass on all four because we don’t have enough pitching.” Or maybe the likeliest scenario is this: all or nearly all of their early pitching targets were selected.
In short, I think it’s far too early to see whether this is either part of a plan (targeting position players almost exclusively) or simply something that happened with how the draft went the last two years. And because it’s so early, its too soon to say it’s “not good at all.” We’ll have a good laugh at this at the 2026 World Series between Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
I don’t know what they’re thinking. But if their board consistently lines up so that all of the pitchers with good value are gone, that seems like they might be undervaluing pitching prospects as a group.
I would like to think that opposition to the idea that the Orioles need more pitchers is a misconception. Technically, the answer to “how many pitchers is enough” is “you can never get enough” but in a specific case the issues are:
1) How many pitchers do you currently have under contract at the major league level, will they still be there in the future, and how long will they be pitching at a 5th starter level or higher?
2) How many of the pitchers you have in the minors project as starters?
3) What is the likelihood that these guys will make it to the majors and pitch at a 5th starter level or better, barring injury?
4) What is the overall attrition rate for pitchers based on injury, the yips, off the field problems, or other catastrophic outcomes? (my understanding is that this is pretty high–like, 50% based on how often pitchers are getting hurt now)
You can do this with as many teams as you want; most will fall short. Teams normally can’t supply an entire rotation without signing or trading for established veterans, although some teams are going to be able to (the Marlins will, maybe the Brewers). And most teams will be able to get you three starters out of that group.
But unless you’re willing to run right up to the luxury tax like the Cubs and Nats and Mets did (and what the Mets are doing now), signing more than a couple starters that you can trust in a rotation is not really an option. A starter on the open market that’s a nice, solid, Jon Gray or Steven Matz type is roughly as expensive as the biggest deal the Orioles has ever given to a pitcher. And that’s assuming that teams will even be able to get their targets, but the Orioles aren’t going to have a choice unless literally nobody gets hurt.
I agree – and I think a lot of the examples brought up have involved starting rotations but have not included the bullpen as well. At this rate, not only would the Orioles have to construct an entire rotation, but an entire bullpen outside of the draft. However, the 2016 Cubs only drafted one pitcher on their playoff roster. I think what the Orioles may be trying to do is to build a competent major league club, continue to exploit whatever advantage they feel they have in the draft, and then trade some of those established major leaguers for pitching prospects. These players will then help the team after this wave. That would be an unbelievably deep rebuild, but if they do feel like they have an advantage in amateur player acquisition, it does seem feasible.
Anderson is the only top prospect to contribute. Soroka *should*. But Fried and Ynoa have both also contributed.
Their bullpen is also a bunch of farm guys (Touki, Newk, Webb, Minter).
Realistically, half your roster is guys who are paid to throw. So all else equal, 50/50. Weighing the injury risk and a potentially higher efficiency in evaluating/developing hitters, it’s not super crazy to want more pitching.
Actually I want to get back to the Lowther thing again. His xFIP was 4.77. Which isn’t incredible but is serviceable in Camden Yards and the AL East. His HR/FB was 18.8%, which is obviously unsustainable. His BABIP of .353 was well above career norms. His peripherals look every bit like he could eventually be posting ~4.50-5.00 ERAs as a starter. Which is not very exciting, but would be the 3rd best pitcher on Baltimore right now, and certainly is enough to place him at a 40 FV. It’s kind of mind-boggling to see Wells and Baumann on here but not Lowther.
when you say you thought about putting an 80 on adley but ultimately decided against it because catcher, so he’s a 70, does that mean there’s no such thing as a 75?
No 75s, no 25s.
What a weird numbering system
Who would be other historic 80s? Any 80 pitchers?
I think if you’re looking at possible 80s (historically) you’re looking at A-Rod, Griffey, and Harper. And that’s probably it. I’d guess Mauer, Bo Jackson or Andruw Jones were the closest 70s. Maybe Vlad Jr.
For pitchers, the closest would probably be Strasburg or Mark Prior. I think you could maybe make a case that both were rated as 80s at the time. Honorable mention for Todd Van Poppel, but I would guess he was probably a 70 (he didn’t have time to build hype in the minors or anything).
Not even a mention of Yusniel Diaz. Is he just a lost cause at this point?
Considering he slashed .157/ .225 / .251 at AAA at age 25 and is probably moving to a corner…yeah, I think that’s a safe guess.
He was looked at, and one of the last cuts.
Thanks for the great work that is well-appreciated.
From reading this, it sounds to me that, essentially, the consensus conclusion is that there can’t be a 80-grade catching prospect.
This is interesting to me. I guess grades have both “positional value and risk” baked in, and is rather about that than more of a comparison of value among players of that position (or potential positions)?
Rutchman is one of the most overrated prospects of all-time. If he was what he is supposed to be, then he would have laid waste to the minor leagues and be an established star at this point. I am not saying that he probably won’t be a good player, but he is nowhere near the hyperbole. At the point where there is an internal discussion on an annual basis about the generation top prospect you probably should study a little more history. I get that people want to read hyperbole, but it is not sustainable. If AR is not a first ballot Hall of Famer, then this scouting report will look goofy.
While you may be correct that he is overrated, this reasoning is flawed. He lost an entire year in the minors to COVID, so he’s only had 700 PAs or so in the minors. And yet, if he was playing for the Braves or Padres he’d be in the majors already because they left him in AA for quite a while after he had largely mastered the league. But he plays for a team (like many others) that is keen not to start his service clock too early.
FWIW I’d be totally shocked if he didn’t have at least a couple 3-win seasons, think it’s very likely he will have at least a couple 5-win seasons. He’s undoubtedly the best player in the minors, and since Ohtani wasn’t really a traditional prospect, he’s probably one of the Top 3 prospects of the last 5 years (Franco and Vlad Jr being the others). The biggest concern I would have about him is that catchers tend to get ground down by the physical demands of the position, and would think that his overall career arc will be determined as much by health as by peak.
” Henderson raked as a high schooler against both varsity pitching in the southeast and on the showcase circuit” is irrelevant at this point. “Any indication of potential swing-and-miss issues here are new” is just not true. You got it wrong in the first place. The idea that your opinions are fact and that reality bends around them is off-putting. You make wild assertions and also lack the humility to take accountability for them. I don’t particularly dislike Gunnar, but his HS and showcase antics need to be buried at this point. He was always a gangly looking kid with lots of questions. He has always been more projectable than a finished product.
Comments that achieve actual Robbie Dobbs-level performance art. Bravo!
I appreciate that Kevin left out the blurb about how Henderson ran over your dog just because you had concerns about his ability to make hard contact.
So if the Rays called the O’s and proposed Franco for Rutschman, straight up, do the O’s say no? Given Franco’s contract, MLB Trade Values says that would be a steal for the O’s. I suppose the three years of age difference also makes a big difference here.
why would the o’s say no?!
Yeah, Franco is the only player ever rated higher than Adley, as I recall.
As an Orioles fan, sign me up…
Rodriguez, Cowser, Mayo, and potentially Kjerstad are the guys of interest I will be watching. Rutschman is too known and I don’t prefer to stash catchers with big hype unless they’ve made it into the league already.
The pedigrees given to Grayson surely will attract all flies unaware of how good he was, and will bring on calls for an early ETA. Cowser will likely earn another boost in pedigree by ’23 but I’m very keen on finding out how many levels he can climb. Same with Mayo. The ETAs suggest a few more years so I don’t know what the truth may be, so I’m clearly optimistic. Kjerstad is the last one of intrigue due to his lack of appearances. A big decider for me will be if his hit tool isn’t too much like Kelenic’s big uppercut-esque swings.
So I’m very pleased with the Orioles farm system as there are finally guys to like.
Yusniel diaz has had issues with injuries but I’m surprised not to see him here at all.
What level/performance sample do you need in order to place a FV on someone like Rangel, Basallo, etc? I assume it’s just too early or not enough eyes have been put on them, but at what time do you feel comfortable placing an initial FV grade?
I don’t understand their logic on the teen DSL signings to be honest. They gave a 45 to a teenager who was one of the O’s lower-cost signings this past period but then didn’t give grades to Basallo or the 7-digit bonus babies from this cycle.
For one thing, bonus size doesn’t equate to prospect value, especially when agreements are made at age 14 or younger. For another thing, none of the 45s were signed as teenagers so I don’t know who you’re even talking about. I assume Arias? Afaict he was the only international prospect the Orioles have ever signed that made it to the FG international BOARD. He’s ranked higher because they consider him the better prospect.
Arias yes, I had a brain fart and wrote the wrong number.
Not even an Orioles fan but Adley’s write-up is a fun write-up. Excited to see the kid in the show.
At 24, shouldn’t Rutschman be almost a finished product? I don’t understand how there’s that much more upside.
But I’m a prospect ignoramus, so Im genuinely curious, not Roganing here.
I’m going to be devastated once Rutschman reaches the Not That Good stage of his career in the years leading into FA. The only way to avoid it is to be Mike Trout good, in which case unless the O’s are amazing the story will be that Actually you don’t need those pesky greedy tippy top players to win, or signing a cartoonishly below market extension early