Chris Archer Is Probably Right About All-Star Snubs

For as long as there are ballots and voters, there will be controversy about the contents of those ballots cast by those voters. Baseball, in this sense, is no exception. The Hall of Fame, end-of-season awards, and — of greatest relevance at the moment — the All-Star Game: each provides ample room for discontent.

The All-Star selection process has changed recently, with managers losing their power to select reserves last season. Fans still vote on the starting position players for each league, but players have now taken on much a larger role: overall, they’re responsible for choosing 33 of the 64 All-Star roster spots (17 reserves in the AL and 16 in the NL). The commissioner’s office then cleans up by selecting a handful of final AL and NL reserves to round out the rosters. There is then a final fan vote ballot (#SaveMuncy) that includes one more player from each league as chosen by the fans.

Anthony Castrovince wrote an excellent primer on the selection process.

Fans have long been criticized, and many times deservedly so, for their poor voting track record. But many have noted this is a game for the fans, they are the customers, so they ought to see whom they want. But interestingly, the players’ ability to assess All-Star talent is also coming into question, including by some within their own ranks. And with the wealth of information available in today’s game, perhaps the public can make as good, or better, All-Star decisions.

The day following All-Star selections, a day following any sort of selection process, is a day to evaluate who was snubbed.

And Chris Archer probably has a good point about Blake Snell: the latter ranked second in ERA- (52), first in ERA (2.09), and 10th in the AL in pitching WAR. Pitchers like Jose Berrios and J.A. Happ were selected above him. And while every team must have a representative, it’s up to the commissioner’s office, in the final stage of the selection process, to ensure that rule is satisfied. Eddie Rosario was the more deserving Twin. He is snubbed at the moment, though he is also a candidate for the final fan vote.

Players like Snell, Rosario, Brandon Belt, Andrew Benintendi, Charlie Morton, Max Muncy, Ross Stripling, and Trea Turner are among those who were passed over, who have outperformed some of those players already selected for the game.

While, on one hand, the All-Star Game is just an exhibition event, no longer even attached to World Series home-field advantage, the status that comes with it can have actual practical consequences, can be used for or against a player in arbitration, can aid a player’s public appeal and financial bottom line.

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Beyond that, there’s some appeal to the idea of the All-Star Game functioning as a meritocracy. Again, that’s complicated by the mandate to select a player from every team, but there’s even room for improvement within that constraint. The Royals, for example, had a much more deserving player than Salvador Perez (69 wRC+, .213 average, 0.2 WAR, and selected by the players) in Whit Merrifield.

While the public has been criticized for allowing reputation and brand appeal to creep too much into voting, trumping actual first-half performance, that was also an issue for players, as is obvious in the construction of the All-Star rosters.

Stripling was a far better first-half performer than Jon Lester. Belt had a better first half than Joey Votto. Charlie Blackmon ranks 28th amongst NL outfielders in WAR.

In the American League, Michael Brantley ranks 19th in outfield WAR. Trevor Bauer leads American League pitchers in WAR but he needed a Verlander scratch and a save from the commissioner’s office to be added to the roster.

I’ve broken down the voting by groups and highlighted some of the weaker selections by WAR. (Reliever WAR is problematic, so I’m staying away from any evaluation of that group.)

All-Star Voting by Group
Fan Vote AL WAR AL Pos. Rank Fan Vote NL WAR NL Pos. Rank
Jose Abreu (1B) 0.2 7th Freddie Freeman (1B) 3.6 1st
Jose Altuve (2B) 4.2 1st Javier Baez (2B) 3.1 2nd
Jose Ramirez (3B) 5.7 1st Nolan Arenado (3B) 3.5 1st
Manny Machado (SS) 3.2 3rd Brandon Crawford (SS) 2.5 2nd
Mike Trout (OF) 6.5 1st Nick Markakis (OF) 2.5 3rd
Mookie Betts (OF) 5.5 2nd Matt Kemp (OF) 2.0 9th
Aaron Judge (OF) 4.6 3rd Bryce Harper (OF) 1.5 17th
Wilson Ramos (C) 1.4 1st Willson Contreras (C) 2.6 2nd
JD Martinez (DH) 3.5 1st (t)
Player Vote AL WAR AL Pos. Rank Player Vote NL WAR NL Pos. Rank
Aroldis Chapman 1.8 3rd Jacob deGrom 4.1 2nd
Gerrit Cole 3.0 6th Sean Doolittle 1.6 2nd
Edwin Diaz 2.8 1st Mike Foltynewicz 2.2 8th
Corey Kluber 2.8 7th Josh Hader 2.4 1st
Craig Kimbrel 1.0 9th Brad Hand 0.7 19th
Luis Severino 4.3 3rd Aaron Nola 3.6 3rd
Chris Sale 4.4 2nd Max Scherzer 4.3 1st
Mitch Moreland 1.6 2nd Joey Votto 2.6 6th
Gleyber Torres 1.6 5th Ozzie Albies 3.2 1st
Justin Verlander (i) 4.2 4th Trevor Story 2.4 3rd
Francisco Lindor 5.1 1st Eugenio Suarez 3.2 2nd
Alex Bregman 3.8 2nd Charlie Blackmon 0.6 28th
Michael Brantley 1.2 19th Lorenzo Cain 3.4 1st
Mitch Haniger 2.6 9th Christian Yelich 2.2 8th
George Springer 1.8 14th Buster Posey 1.8 4th
Salvador Perez 0.2 17th Jon Lester 1.0 27th
Nelson Cruz 1.8 4th
Commish Pick AL WAR AL Pos. Rank Commish Pick NL WAR NL Pos. Rank
Trevor Bauer 4.5 1st Patrick Corbin 3.1 4th
Jose Berrios 1.9 15th Kenley Jansen 1.0 14th
JA Happ 1.7 18th Miles Mikolas 2.3 7th
Joe Jimenez 1.2 6th Felipe Vazquez 1.3 5th
Blake Trennen 2.0 2nd Paul Goldschmidt 3.3 2nd
Shin-Soo Choo 2.9 7th Scooter Gennett 3.0 3rd
JT Realmuto 3.5 1st

Perhaps another issue is the process: paper and envelopes over technology.

Still, that cannot explain all of the snubs.

According to the New York Post, the players rejected a change to the system that would have made voting look more like a primary system. Perhaps that could have been an improvement. Certainly, allowing players to vote later would help the process and perhaps produce more serious engagement and thoughtfulness.

While the fans made some errors in voting in Jose Abreu and Bryce Harper into the starting lineups, if you’re an All-Star snub this season you really have your peers to blame.





A Cleveland native, FanGraphs writer Travis Sawchik is the author of the New York Times bestselling book, Big Data Baseball. He also contributes to The Athletic Cleveland, and has written for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, among other outlets. Follow him on Twitter @Travis_Sawchik.

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ARodTheGOAT
8 years ago

I thought Snell had a great chance at starting the ASG game Tuesday. To call this a snub is an understatement

Pepper Martin
8 years ago
Reply to  ARodTheGOAT

American League pitchers with more WAR than Snell: Bauer, Sale, Severino, Verlander, Cole, Paxton, Kluber, Clevinger, Diaz, Morton.

Clevinger and Morton didn’t make the All Star Game, and both have more WAR than Snell. Even if you go by traditional metrics instead of WAR, Morton has an 11-2 record. Why should there be all this outcry about Snell, but none about Clevinger or Morton?

jerwood01
8 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

Might have to do with:

a) Snell is easily the most deserving Ray this year
b) Morton/Clevinger happen to be on teams with 2 SP already going to the ASG

bobr
8 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

By BB-ref Snell has a higher WAR than both, and by quite a lot.

mookie monster
8 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

It’s one of those things where it seems like a snub until you try to pick the guy you’d kick out to make room for Snell. It’s tough luck more than anything, because he is clearly deserving, but the decision is not easy.

I’d put him in over Happ and Berrios, but then you have to shuffle other stuff around to give TOR and MIN their representatives.

TheNEW_guy
8 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

Bauer, Sale, Severino, Verlander, Cole, Kluber, Clevinger, Morton play for a team in the top 5 in baseball (not just league) in runs scored which they do not have to face, where as the Rays are not even in the top 10. So his schedule is also more difficult

BleezyBones34
8 years ago
Reply to  Pepper Martin

Snell has also consistently been lined up against the best teams and done great. his last 8 @SEA, SEA, @NYY, @HOU, WAS, HOU, Mets lol. Aside from the Mets he’s 5-1 with 6 QS during that stretch While never pitching less than 6 with the exception of the Yankee game where he gave up 4 and only lasted 5. Thats solid work against premium competition.

werneckpedro21
8 years ago

Nice article.
J.D. Martinez’s WAR on the first table looks off.

Magician_531
8 years ago
Reply to  werneckpedro21

J.D. Martinez is one big problem on Fangraphs. Usually his name doesn’t even link to his page. There is some sort of bug that they need to fix.

MoateMember since 2022
8 years ago

Bryce Harper has 22 bombs, has been the face of the host team, and will likely not play there next season. Without going into a deep dive on who “should” be going to game, I don’t think the fans made a mistake there.

timmer
8 years ago

Lester is interesting. Old-school #’s: 11-2, 2.45 ERA, tied for 8th in bWAR among NL pitchers. Seems like an obvious All-Star.

But the fWAR and the peripheral numbers tell an entirely different story

CC AFCMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  timmer

The players know who’s bringing the fried chicken and beer to the party

Paul G.Member since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  timmer

If I remember correctly, Lester tends to outperform his FIP.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  Paul G.

Cubs outperform their FIP, thanks to the D. Lester’s not particularly special that way.

Noah BaronMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

Cubs always bringing the D (lol)

CC AFCMember since 2016
8 years ago

Anyone know if all star appearances make a difference for arbitration raises? I know they use crappy metrics like RBI and pitcher Ws. I think they use awards like MVP and ROY, but not sure if they use all star appearances. If it affects players pay, that’d be the only way I could muster anything more than indifference about this issue. Snell deserved to go, but it’s not like any of the other AL starters were bad selections accounting for the fact that Berrios and Happ were the sole representatives from their clubs.

seprotzmann
8 years ago

Surprised you didn’t flag Springer, 14th in AL OF WAR with the most PA of anyone, and over 1 full WAR behind Benny and Rosario

WARrior
8 years ago
Reply to  seprotzmann

Rosario over Springer should have been so obvious to anyone.

baubo
8 years ago
Reply to  seprotzmann

Springer is the obvious “if they had voted today instead of a month ago he’d be out” player. Slumped big time recently but a month ago looked perfectly reasonable for a spot.

E L
8 years ago
Reply to  baubo

“We know that a half season is a small sample size, but let’s throw out a third of even that!”

SertoriusMember since 2023
8 years ago
Reply to  seprotzmann

Pretty sure he flagged people outside the top 5, or top 15 for OF

Dmjn53
8 years ago

It doesn’t really bother me. We’ve long known that all-star games are for the most popular players, not necessarily the best players

josephd10
8 years ago

The one mention of an Oakland A and his name is spelled wrong. It’s Treinen, not Trennen. And you could have mentioned two of the AL’s top-15 players Jed Lowrie and Matt Chapman, or the AL’s best first baseman Matt Olson, but noooo. Geez. Even the snubs are done incorrectly.

Dmjn53
8 years ago
Reply to  josephd10

I wonder what team you root for

josephd10
8 years ago
Reply to  Dmjn53

Does it matter? Facts are facts.

JoshMember since 2022
8 years ago
Reply to  josephd10

Its a poorly organized article as it contains merely denotation of which players might not be good choices as opposed to a comparison of those who made it versus those who should have made it. By the numbers Lowrie and Olson should have made it in the AL, Chapman is a little off because he missed time with an injury.

ashlandateam
8 years ago

Random theory: I wonder if the players – who are surely aware of the HOF/arbitration implications of the AS game – do makeup picks, consciously or subconsciously.

Joey Votto is a good example – he had 12.6 fWAR in 2015-16, and was clearly deserving of going to the All-Star game in seasons where his HOF resume was being padded. And yet, he was snubbed. This year, then, is getting one of those back.

Blackmon and Yelich are two more – they had clearly better in past years and didn’t make it (both got MVP votes in 2016!). And both made it this year, despite there being arguments for others.

So, maybe the players think, ‘so and so has been snubbed before’ or, in a less conspiratorial tone, ‘so and so has paid his dues and now deserves it for the last few years and not just this one.’ And I wonder if that’s why younger guys like Muncy or Aguilar or Snell don’t make it onto their ballots.

WARrior
8 years ago
Reply to  ashlandateam

Known as the Paul Newman effect.

Peter BonneyMember since 2023
8 years ago
Reply to  ashlandateam

Totally plausible. But two thoughts:
1. Votto is probably a poor example, since (without excusing his prior snubs) while he’s not been as good as prior years he has still been extremely good so far.
2. I don’t see anything inherently wrong with players being selected for a body of work as opposed to the first half of one season – i.e. Belt might have been marginally better than Votto so far this season, but it’s not unreasonable to think Votto is still the more deserving player.

Having said all of that, I just can’t get worked up over All-Star selections now that we have interleague play. There will be a game. There will be good players there.

Doug LampertMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Peter Bonney

I think the last calendar year makes far more sense than “first half of the season”, and body of recent work over the last three or four years makes even more sense.

Where is it written that all-star votes are supposed to be based on only the current season? Voting started on the first of JUNE, so it isn’t even close to being a full half season? Similarly, the players cast their ballots fairly early. If it’s supposed to be based on the current season then this is very strange.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  Doug Lampert

Yes the underlying premise of the article and most of the comments is flawed. Yes you could base your vote on the first half, and you could also base it on the past year, three years, especially for defense, or career. You could include or not include postseason. You could use second order metrics like FIP and xwRC+, if there’s such a thing, or not. You could incorporate clutch events or not. You could use projections, either publicly available or your own, to determine who’s the best at the moment or who’s likely to have the best current season, or not. You could use your own eyes to form your opinion. All this is why it’s arguably more valid to use votes than pure statistics. It isn’t clear which statistics are most relevant.

Dustin
8 years ago
Reply to  Ivan_Grushenko

This comment was intriguing, so I made a team of All-Stars based on the top WAR performers at each position using the last calendar year time frame. Here’s what I got. Sorry for the formatting; it looks good in a fixed-width font, which you can see here. https://pastebin.com/bTzyHU8f One interesting thing to note is the NL has a rep from every team using this method, where the AL clearly has a group of haves and have-nots:

AL NL
C Gary Sanchez J.T Realmuto
Ca Mike Zunino Wilson Contreras
1B Matt Olson Joey Votto
1Ba Jose Abreu Freddie Freeman
2B Jose Altuve Ozzie Albies
2Ba Jed Lowrie Javier Baez
SS Francisco Lindor Trea Turner
SSa Andrelton Simmons Brandon Crawford
3B Jose Ramirez Nolan Arenado
3Ba Alex Bregman Anthony Rendon
RF Mookie Betts Bryce Harper
RFa Aaron Judge Yasiel Puig
CF Mike Trout Lorenzo Cain
CFa Aaron Hicks Tommy Pham
LF Eddie Rosario Kyle Schwarber
LFa Justin Upton Starling Marte

SP1 Luis Severino Jacob deGrom
SP2 Chris Sale Aaron Nola
SP3 Justin Verlander Max Scherzer
SP4 Corey Kluber Jon Gray
SP5 Trevor Bauer Patrick Corbin

RP1 Edwin Diaz Josh Hader
RP2 Blake Treinen Sean Doolittle
RP3 Chad Green Kenley Jansen
RP4 Aroldis Chapman Craig Stammen
RP5 David Robertson Felipe Vazquez

Red Sox 2 Phillies 1
Yankees 7 Braves 2
Rays Nationals 5
Blue Jays Mets 1
Orioles Marlins 1
Indians 4 Brewers 2
Twins 1 Cubs 3
Tigers Cardinals 1
White Sox 1 Pirates 2
Royals Reds 1
Astros 3 Diamondbacks 1
Mariners 2 Dodgers 2
Athletics 3 Giants 1
Angels 3 Rockies 2
Rangers Padres 1

pedeysRSox
8 years ago
Reply to  Peter Bonney

It’s like what happened after Metallica didn’t win the first metal Grammy award over Jethro Tull.

E L
8 years ago
Reply to  ashlandateam

Votto was clearly not deserving of attending the All Star Game under the “having best first half standard” in 2016; he had the 8th best fWAR among NL first basemen in the first half before demolishing the league after the break.

I doubt that there’s much deep thinking going on among the players about past snubs and HOF. It’s more like “oh yeah, that established guy’s real good” or “that new dude hit some bombs against us”.

scotman144Member since 2016
8 years ago
texasfury93
8 years ago

It’s silly that Max Stassi isn’t an All-star. By far the best catcher in the AL and in fewer games.

texasfury93
8 years ago
Reply to  texasfury93

edit: despite fewer games*

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  texasfury93

I would personally have picked him.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago
Reply to  texasfury93

I think that BP has him has the best defensive catcher in MLB, thanks to his stellar framing. With his offense, that likely puts him as one of the top catchers in MLB.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
8 years ago

Some of these are pretty bad. Blackmon and Lester really shouldn’t be in the ASG. On raw numbers they do okay, but not if you care about context (park effects, the Cubs’ awesome defense). Brantley isn’t really fielding anymore, either. Perez has been awful. Besides, it would have been amazing to have a Rule 5 pick (Keller) in the ASG.

Others are more defensible. JA Happ looked a lot better a month ago. The White Sox probably don’t have anyone else to send as a rep. The ASG is going to be in Harper’s hometown.

Overall, I actually think they did a pretty good job.

tb.25
8 years ago

The biggest issue with All-Star voting isn’t snubs and improperly valuing players. It’s that MLB, fans and (most importantly) media are caught in an in-between.

Two ideal ways to view the All-Star game:
1) as an exhibition, where the consumers (fans) vote to see who they want, as a game for them
2) the best of the best, where the top performers get to compete in a high-skills competition

In a perfect world these could coexist, but as long as W-L and ERA are around, they won’t. We’re stuck in a middle ground where not-the-best players are playing but the ‘status’ perspective of having AS by your name is valued heavily, due to the media’s weighing of AS selections. So long as AS is valuable, the best of the best should be selected. But as long as fans vote, the best won’t be.

Either stop valuing AS so heavily or stop letting it be a popularity contest. We’re stuck.

WARrior
8 years ago

There is a very simple way to reduce the number of snubs. Follow the NBA, and choose players without regard to league. So the two players at each position (six for OF) with the highest votes would be starters, and there would be twenty or whatever reserves, again, based on the best choices of the managers. The starters could be divvied up by two captains, as in the NBA, say Trout and Scherzer.

In this system, I assume Simmons and probably Correa would make it at SS, Rosario in the OF, and Aguilar at 1B. All of these players had to face unusually tough competition at their position, while the field was weaker in the other league. This wouldn’t eliminate all snubs, but it should eliminate those resulting from league imbalances at certain positions.

There is no reason why it has to be NL vs AL, particularly now that there is interleague play. Just get the best players on two teams playing each other. I think the NBA is way ahead of other leagues in trying to find balance both in their ASG and the postseason seeding. There are certainly differences between the two sports that make it difficult for one to apply what is done in one sport completely to the other, but the ASG seems like a pretty easy fix in this respect.

Matt
8 years ago
Reply to  WARrior

Yeah, part of the flaw is the fact that the best AL 1B by WAR (Olson) would be 9th in the NL. If you just picked the 4 best players at each position, then 1B should be Freeman/Goldschmidt/Muncy/Belt, although Aguilar/Carpenter/Votto have strong cases themselves too and could either be extra guys on the roster or potentially replace the guys above. You don’t have to worry about the AL’s horrible C depth as you could bring Realmuto/Contreras and some combo of Cervelli/Grandal/Posey/Ramos. And guys like Benintendi/Rosario/Stanton might make for better OF depth than Blackmon (although at least 2 of those guys should have made it over Brantley/Springer).

shortstop
8 years ago

The reserve position players and pitchers should all be selected at the same time. Essentially what happened here is George Springer took Rosario’s spot, requiring Barrios, who took Blake Snell’s spot, to be on the team. The league is basically forced to use its “selections” on players from teams who aren’t represented using the roster spots available.

The GuruMember since 2026
8 years ago

wow…little man bregman made it. hes gotten a lot better since he debuted. still terribly defensively though.

grandbranyanMember since 2017
8 years ago

Currently tied for the top spot on the wRC+ leaderboard in the NL & Jesus Aguilar can’t even get a mention in an article on All Star snubs. Talk about overlooked. Ya creo.

Maggie25
8 years ago

I think I have a problem with the general premise that there is such a thing as a “correct” choice for the all-star game. Maybe it’s because I don’t care very much about he ASG in the first place (I often watch it and it can be fun, I’m just not passionate about it), but it seems weird to worry about whether or not a player who is having a really good first half makes the team or not.

It seems to me that whole idea of the game in the first place was so that people got to see all the famous players they didn’t always get to see playing on one team. Like, just because, say, Bryce Harper is having an off year, doesn’t mean he’s not a big name that people want to see play in the ASG.

I just kind of feel grumpy every time I hear someone talk about whether the fans “got it right” or not. If you want it to be a full meritocracy, just form a panel to pick the statistically best players at every position.

Maggie25
8 years ago
Reply to  Maggie25

I would add that this isn’t meant to be a criticism of Travis’s article, more just a general comment on the all-star game.

mookie monster
8 years ago
Reply to  Maggie25

Right. The reason we don’t just order a table by WAR and pick the top guy at each position is… because nobody wants that.

Bryan O'ConnorMember since 2017
8 years ago

Is it written somewhere official that the All-Star Game should reward the best players over the first half of the season (or less, considering the ballots open earlier)? Don’t second halves matter? I base my votes on numbers over the calendar year between July and June. Through that lens, Snell looks a lot like Berrios and Happ and lines up behind all the other starters on the AL team. Abreu and Blackmon are more defensible too, and Harper looks a lot better than Markakis or Kemp.

dodgerbleu
8 years ago
Reply to  Bryan O'Connor

That might be a better way of looking at it but I would think the “2018” all star selection implies it to mean the first half of the season, and I imagine that’s how most view it.

tung_twista
8 years ago
Reply to  dodgerbleu

Eh… Or the more obvious and simple explanation is that it means the game is held in the middle of 2018 season.
I think you are reading too much into it.
BTW, I agree with Bryan O’Connor.
I find the idea that all star selection should be based solely on the first half performance to be silly.

phealy48
8 years ago

I still think All-Stars should be determined after the season, not an an arbitrary cutoff point during the season. Every other award includes second-half performance, why not this?

DDD
8 years ago

Chris Archer is definitely right! While I can sympathize with the debate over the most popular vs. the best (it happens every year), the fans don’t have a say in the pitchers. Yes, I know there were extenuating circumstances creating havoc, but “HOLY COW!” Has there ever been a pitcher that performed as well as Blake Snell relative to the rest of the league and been snubbed?

MichaelMember since 2017
8 years ago

James said it best: “Let’s have an ‘All mediocrities who are having a good first half game’ as well as an All-Star game.” Then there’d be room for everybody.

dfives
8 years ago

what WAR is this chart based off of…? edwin diaz does not have 2.8 war

stever20Member since 2017
8 years ago
Reply to  dfives

yeah he’s only at 2.4 WAR so far.

Deacon DrakeMember since 2017
8 years ago

Fan voting starts in May. Charlie Blackmon was still one of the best CF in baseball until he stunk it up in June. Bottom line, using just current year numbers, it is a small sample size that can be diluted by a week’s worth of at bats/innings.

steex
8 years ago
Reply to  Deacon Drake

Similarly, as of June 1, Jose Abreu owned a 140 wRC+ and .373 wOBA in 209 PA. Those numbers were both good for 6th among MLB 1Bs with at least 100 PA. Only Mitch Moreland bested him in those rates stats among AL 1Bs, and given he had 67 fewer PAs, he had lower total wRC. Justin Smoak was in a virtual tie with Abreu for all of those.

All that is to say that, yes, many of the fan votes looked like perfectly reasonable choices when a chunk of these ballots were cast.

RedsManRickMember since 2020
8 years ago

I wonder how different snubs would look if we instead compared the voting against projected end of season totals. That is, I suspect players are not basing their votes solely on an assessment of a player’s first ~3 months of the season, but rather a more generic “Who the best players are”. Given the vagaries of the All Star guidance, it’s hard to argue that’s a bad approach and I suspect some version of that lens would make votes for Harper, Perez, Blackmon, Brantley, Lester, Votto, etc. look a whole lot better.

Ivan_GrushenkoMember since 2016
8 years ago
Reply to  RedsManRick

I would personally look at projected end of year numbers but I understand why there are a variety of opinions on this.

MoateMember since 2022
8 years ago

Quick point: shouldn’t the 2nd half of last season be considered in this year’s voting if you’re going for “who did the best stats” meritocracy? Or should 2nd halves never be considered for an ASG because…reasons?

tung_twista
8 years ago

Is Kris Bryant the best player ever to be snubbed for two consecutive seasons?
For the past two calendar years, Bryant has 12.3 war (8th overall among position players) and wrc+ 142 (10th overall).

Note: Rendon is not too far behind with 11.8 war and wrc+ 132 so it clearly has to do with a glut of NL 3B.

ashlandateam
8 years ago
Reply to  tung_twista

Votto’s 2015-16: 12.6 fWAR (6th in MLB), 166 wRC+ (2nd). And yet, no All-Star appearances in either year.

TKDCMember since 2016🏆 MVP
8 years ago

Having a fan vote is proof in and of itself that you are not trying to pick the “most deserving” players. Fans by definition cannot “vote wrong” because it is a game for those said fans. Fans have no responsibility of any sort to vote based on any measure of meritocracy. The fans that voted in Harper were not “wrong” any more than the fans that voted Cal Ripken Jr. many years after he was no longer a great player. The fans vote for the players they want to vote for and that is necessarily correct, because that is the point of the fan vote in the first place. It’s like tossing a rock into a pond and asking it to solve an algebra problem. It’s not going to do that. Expecting it to anything more than make a splash does not make the rock bad at its job. It makes you a fool for having unrealistic expectations.

jwblue
8 years ago

The All-Star game should not be about who had the best fist half. It should be who based more on the past few seasons. I am fine with whoever the fans vote in.

ResumeManMember since 2016
8 years ago

Your statement “While the public has been criticized for allowing reputation and brand appeal to creep too much into voting, trumping actual first-half performance” takes as a given that the All-Star roster is in fact the “best first-half roster.” That shouldn’t be a core assumption, as it is very much in question how much a fluky 3 months should impact the voting decision. It’s the all-STAR game; while some stars may have just fallen to pieces and be omitted, merely having a so-so couple of months doesn’t make Bryce Harper, or Jose Abreu, not the most notable options to choose for the game.

I do think that “all-first-half” is a *valid* framework to make your choices, but I absolutely disagree that it’s self-evident that it is the definitive basis.

In the case of Snell, I absolutely think he should be on the team, but not only for his April – June stats. He’s been a potential big star for several years who’s now seeming to put it all together, and I think having him selected would be a great choice. But complaining about the player vote…who were they supposed to leave off? Kluber?? I can’t imagine even Archer would argue with a straight face that Snell should be selected ahead of any of the SPs who the players selected. MLB should’ve figured out a way to slot him in – as indeed they probably will when other injuries or unavailability pop up.

But bottom line is that the notion that the “best first half” is the prime determinant of all-star value is an opinion, not a set fact.