Jeff Sullivan FanGraphs Chat — 11/11/16
9:02 |
: Hello friends
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9:02 |
: Welcome to Friday baseball chat
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9:02 |
: Waiting for you, Bork!
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9:02 |
: praise Jeff, for baseball chat!
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9:02 |
: Praise FanGraphs, for the assignment!
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9:02 |
: Joel Sherman tweeted yesterday that the Rays came away from the GM meetings more confident that they’re going to trade one of Archer/Odorizzi/Smyly. Chris Archer for Andrew McCutchen — who says no? And what would have to be added to make it work? C’mon Jeff, rosterbate with me.
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9:03 |
: That would be an exceptionally easy no for the Rays. Really no reason for them to do that. You get a similar level of production, for more money, and with way fewer years of control. Archer is tremendously valuable and the Rays are fully aware of that
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9:04 |
: I also feel obligated to say — it’s a virtual certainty the Rays move a starting pitcher, but there’s a huge difference between moving Archer and moving Odorizzi or Smyly
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9:05 |
: What does/should a Wil Myers extension look like?
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9:05 |
: So Myers is coming off a decent year. He has three years of arbitration eligibility. If you just give me a moment to think…
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9:08 |
: You can probably buy out the remaining arb years for $25 – 30 million. Then it becomes a matter of how many free agency years you want. Belt had his valued around $16 million. Let’s say Myers could get…five years, $60 – 65 million
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9:09 |
: Now, personally, I don’t love Myers that much, but the Padres need to build around *something* and they can easily afford to have that kind of contract on the books
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9:10 |
: Whats your opinion on Michael Conforto? (besides his misuse last year)
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9:11 |
: I like him as a player who shouldn’t have a big weakness. I know about the issues vs. lefties and I know that 2016 spiraled out of control, but when I think about his profile I consider him at least average practically across the board. That’s terrific for a guy who’s not 24 until March
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9:13 |
: You can look at him and see some, I don’t know, Seth Smith? Smith might represent the 40th or 50th percentile projection. Smith has averaged 2.1 WAR per 600 plate appearances for his career, but Conforto has more upside than that
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9:14 |
: Is there any reason to be worried about Archer and Scherzer pitching in the WBC beyond a nonzero injury chance?
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9:15 |
: I think the injury question is the only thing. You also get a slightly abnormal offseason, but that just folds into the injury-concern category. The teams will do everything they can to make sure any WBC pitchers are put on forgiving programs. They won’t get burned out. And then a side advantage is those pitchers could get to 100% earlier than their peers
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9:15 |
: Around the start of April, a lot of pitchers aren’t yet quite season-ready. The WBC pitchers should be at a more advanced stage by comparison
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9:15 |
: Wouldn’t Rich Hill be a perfect candidate for “relief ace”, like Andrew Miller perfected in the postseason? It would probably be similar money and his innings potential would be close.
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9:15 |
: Rich Hill is already a perfect candidate for starting ace
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9:16 |
: And being the age that he is, there’s no way he’d be willing to take that kind of usage risk, when other teams will offer ordinary contracts for a familiar role
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9:17 |
: Hi Jeff! WAR is not a counting stat, but with the way it appears projection systems assume a run scoring environment and normalize wGDP and UZR, we can treat the projected WAR as a correlated factor of PA, yes?
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9:17 |
: sure
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9:17 |
: I’m obviously signing short term veterans to bridge the gap to our strong farm system. In this same vein, does Jae-gyun Hwang make sense for the Braves? Cheap option that can potentially hold the position until Austin Riley is ready..
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9:18 |
: I like Hwang as a fit for a lot of teams, but I’m not quite sure where the Braves stand on Adonis Garcia. He’s their own international project and he’s coming off a quite successful second half. My gut tells me the Braves want to see more of that, and they’ll have Swanson/Albies before long occupying the middle infield
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9:19 |
: So I doubt Hwang ends up in Atlanta. I still think he fits best in Anaheim
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9:19 |
: (I have no idea if Anaheim is interested)
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9:20 |
: Because I’m helplessly addicted to baseball, one of the first things I thought of after Trump won was how Adrian Gonzalez refused to stay at Trump’s hotel in Chicago during the NLCS, and it made me wonder, how many guys from World Series winning teams during Trump’s presidency do you think we’re going to see pull a Tim Thomas and skip out on the White House visit? Guys like Gonzalez and Adam Jones I could easily see saying screw this
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9:21 |
: Like you said, it’s an easy thing to imagine. But it’s of course going to depend in large part on the first year of the administration. Some of the more outspoken players will make their decisions based on policy, and despite how the campaign was run, no policies have yet been locked into place
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9:22 |
: You could see Adrian Gonzalez skipping out in the hypothetical where the Dodgers win in 2017. That’s not hard to foresee. But then, maybe all the immigration stuff was for show. And for certain players, the thrill of a White House visit would outweigh the identity of the individual being visited
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9:22 |
: How do you expect the Mariner’s offseason to unfold? Big splash? Underwhelming role players?
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9:23 |
: I expect role players. With Felix/Cano already on the books, they can’t really bring in another huge salary, and they don’t have the young players to exchange for a cheaper impact addition
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9:23 |
: They were a healthy bullpen away from the playoffs in 2016. They don’t need to be splashy
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9:24 |
: Biggest Astros acquisition?
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9:24 |
: Good chance to revisit my long-shot idea of the Astros trying to trade for Joey Votto
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9:24 |
: But assuming that doesn’t happen, I know the Astros want a top-tier starter, and they want a left-handed outfielder. Like so many other contenders, the Astros would make great sense for Rich Hill
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9:25 |
: Maybe they say screw the left-handed thing and make a play for Andrew McCutchen
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9:26 |
: Would Matt Holliday be a good candidate for the Phils to sign/trade at the deadline? He’d be a great stopgap as well as a mentor towards the kids. Phils could offer a few extra mil because they have money to burn.
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9:26 |
: I like Holliday’s chance to produce in 2017, and the Phillies need outfield help, but I’m unconvinced Holliday would want to sign with a potential cellar-dweller as his career winds down. So there might not be mutual interest
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9:27 |
: He could be a better fit in, say, one of Seattle’s outfield corners
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9:28 |
: What is your prediction for Billy Beane’s first offseason move?
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9:28 |
: Reminder: Beane is not the GM!
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9:28 |
: I don’t know if it’ll be *first*, but it shouldn’t be long before Danny Valencia is off the roster somehow
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9:29 |
: P.S. What is the next Braves offseason move? I’m.. err asking for a friend.
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9:29 |
: A catcher or a reliever
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9:29 |
: At some point soon expect them to begin engaging other teams on Inciarte trade proposals
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9:30 |
: Hello, Jeff! Is Joey Votto the most underrated hitter by his peers and the fans? Over the last 2 calendar years, he’s like .320/.450/.545 (165ish wRC+) or something. That is met with 0 ASG appearances and 0 silver sluggers. (Not that those matter, but thought process is interesting to me)
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9:31 |
: I suspect most of Votto’s peers recognize that he’s a perfect hitter. And the FanGraphs audience, obviously, recognizes that Votto is amazing. He falls short in the more ordinary public sphere because he’s not amazing in the way people want him to be
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9:31 |
: Saw Schwarber on MLB Network. Very thoughtful guy on hitting! Childhood hero was Joey Votto. Which made me feel old….
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9:31 |
: There’s a funny coincidence
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9:32 |
: I think it’s easy to profile Schwarber as a player and as a person just by looking at him. That profile misses the mark. He’s highly thoughtful and he seems to be a wonderful person to have around. There’s a reason the Cubs love him to death
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9:33 |
: Is Miguel Cabrera’s contract one of the worst in the league, or actually totally fair? On the one hand, he has a first baseman’s body, is signed through age 42 and has 9 years left for him to just break down completely. On the other hand…he’s Miguel Cabrera.
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9:34 |
: The last couple years are actually club options, so that makes things a little better for Detroit
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9:35 |
: Cabrera is guaranteed through 2023, for another $220 million. Just using our contract tool, you might expect him to be worth more like $170 million. But if his age-related decline is smoother, then he hits the mark. And there’s little question that he’s one of the best pure hitters the game’s ever seen
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9:36 |
: His contract looks slightly bad, but I expect him to hit for as long as his body allows
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9:36 |
: Can we please not make rosterbate a thing…
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9:36 |
: It’s been a thing for years, man
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9:36 |
: I’m not Bork, but Howdy good buddy!
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9:36 |
: This isn’t Bork. Hello Friend
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9:36 |
: Hello friends
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9:36 |
: Where did August end up going?
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9:36 |
: I don’t know why we’re not allowed to say, but I’m not allowed to say! He’s in a big-league front office.
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9:37 |
: What has surprised you in the 2017 Steamer projections so far?
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9:38 |
: First thing that comes to mind, I gotta think the Angels projection. Not because of any particular player. I just didn’t expect to see their WAR so high
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9:39 |
: Dave mentioned that he could see the Cubs in on Rich Hill. If this is the case then how about Verlander? How much surplus value does he have? I mean would Soler and a couple A Ball lottery tickets be enough or does he have significant value over the 4 yr/$106 he is owed?
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9:40 |
: Verlander is locked in for 3/$84m, but given his no-trade protection, you could see him insisting on his 2020 option becoming guaranteed. That would put him at 4/$106m and that would reduce his value a little bit
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9:41 |
: But you’d still be looking at something like $20m+ in surplus value. So Soler+ would make sense as the skeleton of an exchange. I’m just not sure to what extent I buy that the Tigers will really make iconic players available
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9:43 |
: Bartolo on the Braves! How often have we seen a rotation including two guys in their 40s?
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9:43 |
: I expected this to be easier to search
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9:44 |
: It’s not so easy. At one point the Phillies had a 46-year-old Jamie Moyer and a 37-year-old Pedro Martinez…
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9:44 |
: Welp, turns out I can’t help you!
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9:44 |
: Were you surprised that Kershaw was left out of the finalists for the CYA?
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9:45 |
: Not really — voting has always put a high priority on innings totals. I’m not convinced that’s how it *should* be, but that’s how it is. And when there’s uncertainty, writers always find it easy to lean on the precedent
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9:45 |
: I guess the Braves are cornering the market on old innings sponges? Ryan Vogelsong is still available
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9:45 |
: The Braves needed some innings sponges more than you know
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9:46 |
: Archer has two club options. Let’s pretend that they get picked up
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9:46 |
: That has him controlled for five years at something like $39 million
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9:47 |
: He’s projected, over five years, to be worth something like $170 million
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9:47 |
: And the fact that those are two club options at the end makes him even *more* valuable
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9:47 |
: He’s going to cost so much to get
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9:47 |
: I realize I just gave my response without including the question. So let’s do this backwards!
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9:47 |
: Cameron said Albies/Allard/Fried doesn’t get you close to Chris Archer, which surprised me. Albies is really, really good, right?
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9:47 |
: See above!
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9:48 |
: What pre-Fangraphs article that you wrote are you most proud of? What one makes you cringe the most?
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9:48 |
: Years ago I wrote some horrible article calling Daisuke Matsuzaka a mercenary
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9:48 |
: That one makes me cringe
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9:49 |
: I was proud of an article classifying all the various closer celebrations. And also an article about the time an extraterrestrial being played major-league baseball
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9:50 |
: I don’t know where I stand on this one article where I tried to create a Tampa Bay Rays roster entirely out of players named Ray. That one confuses me to this day, where half of me loves it and the other half wants me to quit and go to jail
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9:51 |
Closed w/ Grant tonight because I saw him walking his grandmother thru the hotel lobby today. It was an impressive moment. Liked his karma.
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9:51 |
: If you listen to MGL, Maddon is a *horrible* tactician
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9:52 |
: He is, at best, a controversial tactician. He makes a number of sub-optimal moves. The question is, is there a greater, longer-term benefit to managerial creativity? Does it make players feel like they always have to be on their toes?
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9:52 |
: The one thing you can’t argue is that Maddon is a master of building a strong clubhouse community. Maddon’s players tend to love him. And I have to think that outweighs whatever runs he might give back on the field with his in-game decisions
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9:53 |
: If the Cubs are looking to clear OF space by trading Soler+ for controllable pitching, who should they aiming for? Smyly? Nate Jones? Someone like Gsellman?
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9:53 |
: They should be aiming for a pitcher on whichever team finds Soler to be the most intriguing. I don’t think this is going to be up to the Cubs, so much. I think they need to find a GM who most believes in Soler’s potential
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9:54 |
: Would a Walker/Ozuna swap make sense for both players and teams?
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9:54 |
: I could see something like that happening
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9:54 |
: But I’m skeptical that the Mariners are that confident in their pitching depth. Also, selling on Walker now could well be selling low
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9:54 |
: What’s the Barves’ plan here?
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9:55 |
: Make the team immediately better without actually losing anything of long-term value
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9:55 |
: The rotation last year was a catastrophe. There’s real value in having some sort of predictability
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9:55 |
: Is Nick Vincent a perfectly cromulent middle leverage reliever?
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9:56 |
: Yep
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9:56 |
: And for his career he’s held righties to a .244 wOBA. 156 strikeouts, 16 unintentional walks
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9:56 |
: Aren’t the White Sox in a better position for a full rebuild than say, the Cubs or Astros were? Extremely valuable assets to trade that could facilitate a rebuild much quicker. I know a lot of risk too, but it seems like the smart route to take for them. you agree?
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9:57 |
: They are definitely in a position where they can give a rebuild an immediate, massive boost. Other rebuilding teams haven’t had these assets. The flip side of that is beginning a rebuild would be most shocking to the fan base — the short-term product would be lousy, without recognizable players. But the Sox can sell this if that’s what they want to do. With the likely returns, they could have a top-10 farm system almost overnight
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9:58 |
: What are the actual chances McCutchen gets traded this offseason? 25%? Also, what would the Pirates get in return for him?
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9:58 |
: I’ll bump it up to 30-40%
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9:59 |
: I don’t think it would be as much of a blockbuster as you might expect — he only has the two years, and last season wasn’t amazing. But you’d probably be starting with one young, big-league-ready starter, and more
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10:00 |
: The Pirates are in something of a bind. I think they know they don’t want to sell low on their superstar, but they also recognize they’re running out of time to turn him into anything
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10:00 |
: Maybe they go the Brewers/Lucroy route and make a trade in July if the season isn’t going very well
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10:01 |
: How do you view Robert Gsellman and Seth Lugo?
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10:02 |
: I’m more interested in Lugo, as a potential strikeout starter or impact reliever. Gsellman strikes me as a No. 5 or 6
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10:02 |
: The Phillies have a ton of cash to splash. Do they entertain the possibility of signing three solid free agents to boost them up towards that part of the pack where just a bit of luck gets them in the wild card hunt? Or sit on their hands and wait till next year?
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10:03 |
: They’re still far away. They should probably do something like what the Braves are doing. Any big FA splashes they make would probably just have those players in expensive decline by the time the rest of the roster is ready to be competitive
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10:03 |
: I’d expect more moves like the Neshek one, where they acquire shorter-term pieces to plug all the holes
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10:04 |
: The Cubs payroll is $40 million below opening day 2016 and $70 million below game 7 payroll. They are being coy about a potential Kenley/Aroldis signing. They are hard capped internationally for the 2017 period. Where does the money go?
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10:04 |
: It’s about time for them to start talking extensions
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10:04 |
: And I’m interested in the Verlander idea that was presented above
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10:05 |
: And some of that money will go to the bullpen, whether that’s on a high-profile closer or someone(s) else
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10:06 |
: So with many indications that the White Sox are actually going to move forward and sell this offseason, what would a realistic return be for Frazier or Cabrera. While everyone is talking about Sale and Quintana, it seems like others will be the first to go.
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10:06 |
: Cabrera wouldn’t fetch much of anything. Frazier could pull one semi-interesting prospect, or two lower-level ones
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10:07 |
: Even last year, the return for Frazier+ was underwhelming, and now he’s older, with half the remaining control, and he just ran a .302 OBP
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10:07 |
: Who plays CF for the A’s in 2017? Or, hell, who plays any OF spot for them?
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10:07 |
: I think they like Eibner, and I can see him as a legitimate third outfielder, but my expectation is they’ll make some kind of play for Inciarte
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10:08 |
: Failing that, they could try for Lagares, depending on what the Mets do
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10:08 |
: What would it take for the Cubs to get Odorizzi? Would Soler be of interest, and what else would it take besides him?
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10:08 |
: I could be wrong but I doubt that Soler is the Rays’ type of player
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10:09 |
: They’d demand Baez, as they’ve done before, and then it’s up to the Cubs to try to move from there to common ground
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10:10 |
: Do you think MLB will go back to awarding Gold Gloves to three outfielders from each league instead of giving one to a designated LF, CF and RF? Kevin Pillar is one of the best defensive center fielders I’ve ever seen, and may never win a gold glove as long as he’s in the same league as Kevin Kiermaier, who just happens to be even more ridiculous — he led in DRS again this year even though he missed two months. I mean, isn’t it kinda dumb that Cespedes won an American League Gold Glove last year for his three and a half months of work in left field for the Tigers and Pillar didn’t? The current system is largely rewarding players for not being good enough to play center field, or at least play it well
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10:10 |
: Doesn’t the same system reward second basemen for not being good enough to play shortstop? Doesn’t it reward first basemen for not being good enough to play literally anywhere else?
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10:11 |
: All the best defensive players in baseball are center fielders, shortstops, or catchers.
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10:11 |
: Braves are making shrewd moves to lock up Dickey and Colon, giving them approx 400 slightly above average innings (Dickey and Colon combined for nearly 4 fWAR in 2016) – all for a cost of $20M and on a 1 year commitment (Dickey has a team option). Do you agree that these moves are highly intelligent? The Braves get a bridge to their younger arms while gaining innings and also locked up other teams’ fallback options before prices got too high.
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10:12 |
: I don’t think they’re “highly intelligent.” This isn’t some page out of a brilliant playbook. This is just a pretty obvious compromise. They want to get better without giving up young pieces. How do you do that? Short-term FA contracts.
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10:12 |
: Hello Jeff, with the amount of 1B/DH on the market this year, is EE’s value reduced or will he just separate the good from the replacement?
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10:13 |
: Every free agent represents a hole on a roster, and Encarnacion is at the top of his position’s list. He’ll be fine
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10:13 |
: Would Dodgers eat money to move Howie Kendrick? He seems to be a decent stopgap 2B who might get you 1.5 WAR
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10:13 |
: I’m sure they’d be happy to if it got them a better return.
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10:14 |
: Am I wrong for thinking talk of the Tigers blowing it up is crazy? They’re still in a position where they have a reasonable shot at contending, and could still move JD at the deadline if things don’t go their way.
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10:15 |
: I wouldn’t go with “crazy,” but it is a little weird, with three of the division rivals so vulnerable. Now, I’m not privy to the Tigers’ books, so maybe this is just something they feel financially obligated to do. But I think the roster is good enough today that they could get into the playoffs without too much work
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10:15 |
: Wily Peralta isn’t good as a starter, any chance he’d be better out of the pen?
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10:15 |
: Yes
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10:15 |
: So the multi-inning elite reliever appears to be the new market inefficiency, if you were projecting, what do you see as the next one?
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10:15 |
: There’s a difficulty to this — Andrew Miller is not a market inefficiency. There is only one Andrew Miller.
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10:16 |
: You’ll see attempts to find the *next* Andrew Miller but for now those players don’t exist. I guess the Cubs sort of tried with Mike Montgomery, but he was a whole hell of a lot worse than Miller was
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10:16 |
: The Rays have tried with Erasmo Ramirez, but he’s been up and down
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10:17 |
: If you took over the reds today, would you start over and rebuild the rebuild, or do you think there is actually some hope that seemingly underwhelming prospects they’ve acquired can compete in that division while Votto is still good?
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10:18 |
: I don’t know what there is for them to do. You’re not getting a strong return for Phillips. You’re not getting a strong return for Cozart. Mesoraco’s injury problems have devastated his value. The Reds aren’t trapped, but they’ve fallen behind, with regard to the other rebuilds. They need a big player-development season
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10:18 |
: Do you think Otani gets posted this year, and if not, when?
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10:18 |
: I don’t. I don’t know if he’ll ever come over
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10:20 |
: Any chance the Cubs extend Bryant and/or Russell this winter? What would that look like?
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10:20 |
: I expect the conversations to begin. With Russell, maybe you draw comparisons to the Christian Yelich extension. That was basically 7/$50m for a comparable sort of value. Bryant, of course, would blow that away
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10:22 |
: With Bryant, you start thinking about how closely you want to compare him to Mike Trout. He isn’t Mike Trout, but that’s one point to consider when you’re assembling terms
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10:23 |
: Trout got 6/$145m to cover three years of arb and three years of free agency. The FA years were valued at just over $33m. Maybe Bryant’s would get $30m
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10:24 | : I’m just noticing now that the Blue Jays got Lourdes Gurriel for 7 years and $22 million |
10:25 |
: I don’t have insight on this. Gurriel, to me, is an unknown. But I wanted to make sure this had some place in the chat
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10:25 |
: Do you think it would be a mistake for the Rangers not to move Profar and/or Gallo this off-season? I get they’re young, but their stock is dropping. Stanton would be a Ranger if they would have just given up Profar a few years back.
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10:26 |
: Well that’s just the thing — their stocks are dropping. It would be worthwhile for the Rangers to call around and see who might still love either of the two young players. But I know there’s long been an industry consensus that Profar was overrated, and Gallo didn’t do anything in 2016 to ease the questions about his future
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10:27 |
: I get the sense that the Rangers should just give Gallo 400 – 500 PA in a boom-or-bust season. Be the team to take the chance. It might fail, but at least then they’d know
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10:27 |
: Do you think Trea Turner will be an All Star and will the Padres regret that trade?
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10:27 |
: The Padres won’t regret the trade, because they love Wil Myers, but Trea Turner is better, and Joe Ross is good.
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10:28 |
: Your thoughts on Hill’s worth?
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10:28 |
: I’d give him something aggressive, like $45 – 50m over two years
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10:29 |
: What should the cardinals do this offseason?
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10:29 |
: Try to turn Adams and a starter into a center fielder
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10:29 |
: And they should also work to build out the bullpen
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10:30 |
: Maybe Wacha would make the bullpen a lot stronger but for the time being they still see him as a SP
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10:30 |
: Is there a such thing as a bad one-year contract?
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10:30 |
: There are better and worse one-year contracts, but the bad ones are nothing compared to the bad multi-year types
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10:31 |
: Let’s say the Mariners sign Brett Cecil, a MOTR arm like Hammel or Fister and a goodish but not great OF like Jon Jay…is that enough to put them in contention for the AL West?
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10:31 |
: Sure. They’re not bad
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10:31 |
: Who do you want/settle/fear at 1B for the Mariners in 2017.
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10:31 |
: I’m still hung up on the idea of Taijuan Walker for Josh Bell. I’d settle for Napoli, and I’d fear a full season of Dan Vogelbach
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10:32 |
: What is Gardner’s trade value? Pretty small with the contract but above negative?
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10:33 |
: Very very very slightly positive
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10:33 |
: The club option for 2019 helps
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10:33 |
: Would the Mets trade Wheeler or Matz for Inciarte? If not, would they do it for Gsellman?
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10:34 |
: Just so we’re clear, Wheeler hasn’t pitched in the majors in two years, and Gsellman isn’t good. They don’t at all compare to Matz, who is a quality cost-controlled starter
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10:35 |
: And I’m not sure the Mets see Inciarte as being sufficiently better than Lagares to justify losing one of the starters they need
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10:35 |
: Assuming Hellickson declines the Phil’s QA, do you see them trying to add vets like the Braves have with Dickey/Colon (or somebody like Hellickson was last year) or do you think they’re now inclined to roll the dice and try and piece together 1000 starter innings from the young guys? Thx.
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10:36 |
: They’ll get at least one veteran to stabilize the staff and yield predictable innings. Doesn’t have to be a free agent; they could trade for a guy with a year or two left
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10:37 |
: Maybe they could make the very uninspiring Colby Lewis addition
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10:37 |
: Now that Atlanta has added starters, would they be open to dealing Folty? Would McCann and cash plus Frazier be enough to get him?
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10:37 |
: They love Folty. They’re not going to let him go
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10:37 |
: Hard for me to see Chapman getting 6 years, that’s a long comittment from a team. How many years do you think he gets?
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10:37 |
: At least four, and possibly five. Maybe a fifth-year option
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10:38 |
: If Rich Hill is gettable on something like a 2/$40 deal, should the Cubs get involved?
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10:38 |
: Every contender with money should get involved
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10:38 |
: What are the plans for the Pirates and Cardinals over the next year or two, given the Cubs are in a prime position to run the NL Central?
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10:39 |
: There are still wild cards to win, and there are still a bunch of rebuilding teams in the NL who aren’t there yet. The Pirates might be more inclined to sell quality pieces, but the Cardinals don’t have to operate in the same way
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10:39 |
: Jeff, what’s the point in anything anymore?
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10:39 |
: What’s ever been the point?
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10:40 |
: Live and love, and do more good than harm. Leave the world better, but mournful for your loss
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10:41 |
: I look at the Orioles roster, and just can’t figure out how they even made the playoffs last year. Machado, Britton, and a whole pile of meh. Am I off base? Are they about to become bad? If they start to look terrible, should they consider dealing those two stars for prospects?
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10:41 |
: Britton, yes. Machado, you try like hell to keep
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10:42 |
: Seems like the Cards will need a middle of the lineup bat. Also sounds like the infield is fairly well sorted. Any thoughts on who would be a good fit for an OF/middle of the order guy in St. Louis?
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10:43 |
1. Cubs, 106 |
10:43 |
: They could use a center fielder, but their offense looks fine. Healthy Matt Carpenter is fantastic
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10:43 |
: Despite the Cubs playoff experience, they seem against a big payday for a top reliever. They are prioritizing the acquisition of young pitching via trade, and more bargain FA. Surprising, given the playoff run and available cash?
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10:45 |
: This is a pretty good winter to sit out the FA closer feeding frenzy. They don’t need to be desperate for anything, since they literally just won, and it’s worth noting that before the DL stint, Hector Rondon was as good as pretty much anyone. 1.70 ERA, .462 OPS, five walks and 51 strikeouts. If Rondon is healthy, they have their impact closer
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10:45 |
: Which team is going to really regret paying a closer $80-100 million dollars instead of looking for a failed starter (Cashner the obvious answer) and turning them into a closer for $10 million?
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10:45 |
: I don’t know what the Giants are actually going to do, but I don’t think they need to make the closer investment so many people feel like they’re obligated to make
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10:46 |
: What rebuilding team, in your opinion, had the best overall year toward making their goal?
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10:46 |
: The Brewers’ moves were the most consistently good, but the Braves’ rebuild surged forward through the Shelby Miller trade alone
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10:47 |
: What is Tomas’s trade value as a DH?
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10:47 |
: Very low
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10:47 |
: Why do you love baseball, Jeff?
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10:47 |
: Baseball analysis is like science without the stakes
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10:47 |
: Does Bartolo put the Braves over the top in the NL East?
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10:48 |
: Adding Bartolo makes the Braves harder to pull over the top of anything
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10:48 |
: You dont think hwang is a good fit for NYM? Relying on wright for yet another year with no real backup plan seems dumb
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10:48 |
: I said Hwang fits in a lot of places. He probably fits best in Anaheim.
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10:48 |
: Do you think Neil Walker will accept QO?
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10:48 |
: No
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10:48 |
: do you think its good or bad idea that the Braves signed Dickey/Big Bart
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10:48 |
: Good
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10:49 |
: Biggest silver slugger snub?
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10:49 |
: I have very genuinely never cared
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10:49 |
: I don’t know who won and I can’t imagine caring who won
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10:50 |
: Confession: I don’t really care about any of the awards. Not even the big ones. That doesn’t mean I’m right and you’re wrong! People are free to care about whatever they want to care about. But on my own personal register, postseason awards do nothing
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10:50 |
: how do the Cubs manage the packed outfield?
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10:50 |
: Even as is, there are enough plate appearances to go around. But Soler is an obvious trade candidate
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10:51 |
: Seems like Astros and Sale with a deal built around Bergman makes sense for both, no?
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10:52 |
: If the White Sox can do something like that, they should try hard. I’m not so sure of the Astros’ willingness to lose that sort of six-year asset, but I know they know their competitive window is open now, and Sale would bring something they just don’t have. Would be a bold move, but not an unreasonable one
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10:53 |
: Who’s the 2017 Orioles 1-year reclamation project this year that rebuilds his value en route to a multi year deal? Is it Carlos Gomez? It’s Carlos Gomez. In retrospect I didn’t need to ask the question.
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10:53 |
: The hiccup with Gomez is there’s a rumor out there he wants five years. That’s crazy, but it would take a lot for him to wind up with one year in Baltimore
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10:53 |
: Can you explain the difference between the BP and HBT annuals? What is in each?
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10:54 |
: I think the major difference is BP has those player paragraphs? The HBT annual doesn’t provide that particular service
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10:54 |
: Do you think Archer or Gray are more likely to be traded?
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10:54 |
: I think a Gray trade is almost impossible given that the A’s won’t want to sell him after the season he had. An Archer trade is differently challenging to imagine, but it’s more likely
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10:55 |
: Say the Orioles offseason involves getting two of the Nova/Hellickson/Hill combo… is this a win for them, or does this look a lot like adding more erratic fringe MLB starters to a stable of them?
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10:55 |
: I’d trust Hill more than the others. He could actually help them
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10:55 |
: If you ran the Indians would you trade any combination of minor league players that the Angles wanted for Mike Trout?
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10:56 |
: No. The Indians aren’t that sort of operation, and they literally almost just won the World Series with Tyler Naquin in the middle
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10:57 |
: A voice in your head tells you to build a baseball field in the middle of a cornfield. Who’s the first player you want to see walk onto the field?
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10:58 |
: Curt Schilling, because then he’d be lost and trapped in a rural cornfield
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10:58 |
: Why would the A’s want to dump a player like Valencia?
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10:58 |
: They don’t like him
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10:58 |
: What kind of deal do you think Trumbo gets? Starting to feel that so many are expecting an error contract coming that I think he may actually be paid a reasonable amount based on who he is.
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10:59 |
: I could see him getting something similar to what Nelson Cruz got. Cruz feels like the slightly more dependable hitter, but Trumbo’s younger than Cruz was
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10:59 |
: Not picking up hammels option tells me that cubs are going to aquire a mid-rotation or better SP. Agree?
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10:59 |
: Not guaranteed, but probable
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11:00 |
: Would it be crazy for the Cubs to consider trading Baez in a package for someone in the Archer/Sale/Quintana class following his postseason run? Seems to be the type of high profile headliner the White Sox or Rays would be looking for. And because he’s been so inconsistent with the bat, I wonder if the Cubs might ultimately benefit from selling high.
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11:00 |
: It definitely wouldn’t be crazy for the Cubs to think about trading Baez. He’s an exciting but flawed player, and his flaws generally don’t go away over time
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11:01 |
: The Rays have insisted on getting Baez in trade negotiations before. So that sets a precedent. They used to insist on getting Brad Miller, too, and then they eventually got their man
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11:01 |
: last year the angels made the first big move of the off-season by acquiring simmons, but remained inactive the rest of the way. this year they pick up maybin – predictions on what else the angels will do this off-season?
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11:01 |
: They’ll get a 2B/3B, they’ll get at least one reliever, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they picked up a starting pitcher as well
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11:01 |
: Nothing huge
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11:01 |
: Can we confirm that Kiley McDaniel is the reason the Braves signed Colon? ’cause if not, the credit should be attributed to him anyways
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11:02 |
: After the Colon news came out, Kiley texted me this morning to say it’s time to re-run those projected standings
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11:02 |
: most likely to be dealt this off-season – sale, quintana, gray, archer, odorizzi, smyly, tehran, miller, verlander?
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11:02 |
: Odorizzi
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11:02 |
: Seems like Schwarber has a big work ethic. What are the odds he becomes only an average defender in LF?
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11:03 |
: I definitely think he could pull himself up to being a -5 to 0 LF. Being average might be his ceiling, but one knee surgery isn’t a defensive death sentence
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11:03 |
: How about Matt Holliday in Cleveland as a 1B/DH?
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11:03 |
: I like it. He’d also offer some emergency corner OF flexibility
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11:03 |
: What does Detroit do if Miguel Cabrera turns into Ryan Howard?
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11:03 |
: Suffer
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11:04 |
: i like the articles that you and dave wrote regarding arguments for and against the blue jays rebuilding now. what are the for/against arguments for the royals and d’backs?
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11:05 |
: The D-Backs have a half-decent roster core — they should push forward, given a healthy Pollock, and then re-visit where they are in July. I could see them winning something like 85 games
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11:06 |
: As for the Royals, their situation is obviously complicated, with so many pending free agents and so little on the farm. I don’t think they need to completely tear things apart, but it would make sense for them to think about dealing Wade Davis if the market believes that he’s healthy
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11:07 |
: The Royals could use some bridge players. They could withstand the loss of Davis and still be all right. They probably don’t have the stomach to move Hosmer
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11:07 |
: I noticed this yesterday: there hasn’t been an article written about Melky Cabrera since 2014! That’s pretty much his whole tenure in Chicago
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11:07 |
: who would want to
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11:08 |
: Inciarte for Joe ross… Who be saying no?
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11:08 |
: The Braves probably want someone with fewer health concerns
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11:08 |
: RE: Rosenthal’s article about the A’s open for business, wouldn’t Vogt, Gray, and Doolittle all have more value at next years deadline? Should they even be selling these low-cost controllable team leaders when there is a young core coming?
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11:09 |
: I could see them moving Vogt now, as an affordable regular catcher. But, yeah, no point in trading Gray or Doolittle soon
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11:09 |
: do you have any insight on why Kim Ng hasnt been hired as a GM? Seems like she interviews for a GM position every year (this year was the D’backs), but gets passed up.
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11:10 |
: This is going to sound more accusatory than I intend, but teams are always supposed to interview a minority candidate for those positions, and it’s hard to do better than interviewing an Asian woman
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11:11 |
: I have to question the collective teams’ level of interest. But, also importantly, I have no idea to what degree Ng is actually qualified to run an organization.
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11:11 |
: If you only read these chats you would think Inciarte is one of the five best trade assets in baseball
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11:11 |
: At least among the assets available for trade!
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11:11 |
: You know you’re on FanGraphs when _
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11:12 |
: Nicolas just posted an article on Bartolo signing with the Braves and called it a “brilliant” move. I’d say it was highly intelligent despite your characterization of the move as hardly novel.
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11:12 |
: Brilliant is very strong
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11:12 |
: I just don’t see brilliance in this. It’s good, but it’s not groundbreaking
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11:12 |
: Do you ever think that WAR will ever be added as a performance bonus?
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11:12 |
: Contracts aren’t allowed to have performance bonuses built in
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11:13 |
: Playing-time bonuses are different, and those are correlated to performance, but that’s the extent of it. Playing-time bonuses and milestone bonuses
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11:13 |
: Any expectations for the new CBA’s initial luxury tax level?
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11:13 |
: Nothing specific, but you can probably assume a modest increase
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11:13 |
: Do you think the election results will make Toronto a more attractive free agency destination?
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11:13 |
: Nope!
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11:13 |
: I suppose the wildcard makes anybody halfway decent a “contender”, but what’s the likelihood that the Rockies are “really good” in the next 5 years?
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11:14 |
: Where is the “really good” level? 90 wins? 95 wins?
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11:14 |
: I can see the Rockies pushing 90 wins once or twice. 95 would be considerably tougher because to me, a lot of the pitching remains unproven
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11:14 |
: Hosmer is garbage. Why would KC want to keep him?
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11:14 |
: They like him more than WAR does
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11:14 |
: the drop in Sale’s K rate is ____ for potential buyers
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11:14 |
: I think they’ll mostly accept that it’s a consequence of Sale intentionally trying to generate earlier contact
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11:15 |
: Who/what has stood out for you do far in Arizona?
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11:15 |
: I am in Portland, Oregon
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11:16 |
: Is the whole $8 million per WAR theory based on flawed logic that a win costs the same for every team? Doesn’t that skew some of our ideas about trade value as well? Or am I missing something there.
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11:16 |
: Players tend to go to the highest bidders, and the highest bidders tend to coalesce around the $8-million mark
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11:16 |
: Do you read the McCann chatter as accurate reflection of market or someone attempt to create one?
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11:16 |
: He’s almost certainly going somewhere.
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11:16 |
: All right, it’s time to get rolling!
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11:17 |
: So thank you everybody for hanging out, and I’m sorry for what I didn’t or couldn’t address. We’ll do it again next week at the same time, and until then, be well and have great days
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Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.