Jeff Sullivan FanGraphs Chat — 9/29/17
9:07 |
: Hello friends
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9:08 |
: Welcome to Friday baseball chat
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9:08 |
: Sorry for that extra long delay — had some problems recording the podcast
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9:08 |
: Hello, friend!
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9:09 |
: Hello friend
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9:09 |
: The Tigers announced that Andrew Romine will play all nine positions on Sunday. Can we please do this with Andrelton Simmons, too? Watching him pitch and run down fly balls in center would be a hoot.
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9:09 |
: The only thing I’d be afraid of is the notion of Andrelton Simmons catching
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9:09 |
: Please nobody do anything to injure Andrelton Simmons
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9:10 |
: Two Part question – 1. Who starts game one for the Cubs? 2. Who would you choose?
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9:11 |
: I think I’d be giving the ball to Quintana. My hunch is that’s the direction they’ll go — Lester hasn’t looked right and Arrieta still feels something in his hamstring
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9:11 |
: Jeff, somebody successfully pulls off the hidden ball trick maybe once a year. Do players practice this play? Are defenders hyper vigilant and constantly aware of the location/mannerisms of each player on the bases, watching for their once in a lifetime opportunity to catch the runner off guard? Or do players literally attempt the hidden ball trick constantly, with every base runner? On the telecast you can sometimes see defenders repeatedly and lackadaisically tagging guys after they have been declared safe, are they trying the hidden ball trick? How do these plays happen
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9:11 |
: This is something I’d love to see videos of
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9:11 |
: Failed trick plays!
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9:12 |
: We only ever see them when they’re successful. I want to see when the *other* team looks stupid for once
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9:12 |
: I don’t think this is something a team practices constantly — I’d guess it’s an idea that comes to someone at random, and then they talk about it for a few days before trying it in a game just to see
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9:13 |
: Appreciate you as always on Fridays Jeff. I read that Mackakin said Nola looks like a number 3 pitcher. He immediately needs to be fired right? Who would be the hot names on the managerial searches this off season?
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9:13 |
: Wait, what? Who could say such a thing?
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9:13 |
: I get that Nola isn’t the classic power-armed No. 1 type, but what he’s doing is legitimate
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9:13 |
: But I can’t tell you anything about the managerial pickings this winter. I pretty much make it my business to avoid managerial articles and speculations, because I just don’t know anything and measurement is impossible
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9:14 |
: Had a disagreement yday with someone. I said 99 Pedro would be a top 10 pitcher in the mlb today. He said he would be the clear 1. Who do you side with?
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9:15 |
: I think he’d be…top three. Great chance of being the best. 1999 Pedro Martinez had an FIP- of THIRTY-ONE
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9:16 |
: I bump him down a little only because maybe his stuff wouldn’t play quite so well, but he had a full repertoire and pinpoint command. Very good chance he was better than Kershaw is
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9:16 |
: Not a question, just want to say how much I love late-September baseball. A Taylor Davis 2 out RBI double, a Jen-Ho Tseng 3 IP win/save, all completed with a Leonys Martin HR robbery. Just like everyone thought back in April.
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9:16 |
: It’s liberating when the baseball is pointless
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9:17 |
: Christian Vazquez’s second half: ya or eh?
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9:18 |
: Eh
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9:19 |
: He improved, and he can put the bat on the ball, but he’s not a particularly special hitter
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9:19 |
: I’ll say this for Vazquez: he’s trimmed his ground-ball rate by 10 points. He’s had too much batted-ball luck for his profile, but he’s evolving, as so many mediocre hitters are
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9:20 |
: which teams have the best record since the all star break?
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9:20 |
: In order: Indians, Cubs, Nationals, Yankees, Red Sox
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9:21 |
: Tigers are worst by four games
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9:21 |
: I enjoyed the Jon Gray article. What would he need to be a Cy Young contender?
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9:21 |
: 200 innings
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9:21 |
: Even then, he’d need the voters to understand what he’s dealing with in Colorado. I mean, every voter gets that Coors Field is hitter-friendly, but it’s so easy to just look at the ERA
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9:22 |
: what can the rays expect from wilson ramos next year? he’s gotten hot lately but I haven’t had a chance to look at the underlying peripherals. just a hot streak or a sign of good things to come?
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9:24 |
: Would you believe me if I said Ramos is 41st in innings caught, but 10th in wild pitches allowed?
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9:24 |
: He’s also struggled to throw runners out
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9:24 |
: Framing is fine, and he remains powerful. Ramos is something like an average hitter, at a premium position. But it wouldn’t be surprising at all if his defense were simply too compromised to be good anymore
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9:27 |
: Between Judge, Gardner, Hicks, and Ellsbury (on fire over the last six weeks), who should the Yankees start in the wild card game?
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9:27 |
: Could start them all, and have one of them DH
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9:28 |
: Sit Holliday and Frazier against the right-handed Santana
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9:28 |
: If they don’t like that, then I guess you start Frazier and start with Ellsbury on the bench
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9:29 |
: what does it mean for a fastball to have good plane?
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9:30 |
: I think it’s usually meant to refer to a sinking fastball thrown from a high arm slot. So in theory you get this “steep” downward angle
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9:30 |
: On the other hand, you can have a four-seam fastball that appears to rise. That could also be a fastball with a good plane. You just want to avoid that boring crap in the middle
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9:31 |
: Hi Jeff: what do you think about Stanton’s chance to tie Maris’s mark for HRs? A lot of people still believe that was the true record, even though Barry Bonds was an extremely gifted hitter.
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9:31 |
: A lot of people are wrong
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9:34 |
: Assuming at least five teams will pursue Moustakas, what will his new contract look like?
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9:34 |
: I could see him coming in around 4yr/$75 – 80m. He doesn’t so much deserve a bigger contract than Justin Turner got, but Moustakas is a few years younger
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9:35 |
: What do the Red Sox do with their playoff rotation? It looks like they need Sale every day.
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9:36 |
: Fun fact: over the past 30 days, out of Boston’s five starters, Sale ranks fifth in WAR!
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9:37 |
: That means nothing, of course. But you go Sale — Porcello — Pomeranz and hope. Rodriguez is an option and, honestly, I think Fister is okay too, but this looks like one of those situations where Sale could end up starting on short rest more than once if the Red Sox make it that far
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9:38 |
: With his superb September and a HR rate better than any other player, how much has JD Martinez improved his FA contract? 4/100 possible now? What if he has a Murphy-esque playoff run?
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9:38 |
: Martinez is still going to be held back by the reality that he doesn’t really run or play the field, but this surge has probably added eight figures of value nevertheless
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9:39 |
: He could get five years
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9:40 |
: Shouldn’t the Cubs seriously consider benching Heyward during the playoffs?
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9:40 |
: You can still use him against righties. Against lefties, there isn’t a point
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9:41 |
: Who will be the better major leaguer, JP Crawford or Dansby Swanson?
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9:41 |
: Crawford
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9:42 |
: Jeff, are you sad that the season is ending (because there are no more unusual stats to discover and stories to write), or excited that a postseason with really great teams is starting?
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9:42 |
: I’m excited for the playoffs, because these games are always fun and it’s never that hard to find things to write about. Also, beyond the playoffs, I’m excited to have all the statistics become official over a full season, so I can stop writing paragraphs that begin with “of course it’s unfair to compare this 2017 measure to numbers from the past that are already set in stone”
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9:43 |
: Finally, when the season’s complete, we can compare to history without any asterisks
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9:43 |
: If you are JD Martinez do you stay in Arizona as long as they offer close to the best? Dry air seems to do wonders for him.
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9:43 |
: Mostly I just wouldn’t go back to Detroit
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9:43 |
: The juiced ball itself is responsible for ___% of the home run surge.
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9:43 |
: 20 – 25%
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9:44 |
: Playoff odds aside, let’s imagine the Yankees and Diamondbacks both win the wild card game. Of the eight division series teams then, who would you be most surprised to see make the World Series?
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9:44 |
: I guess the Red Sox?
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9:44 |
: They seem the most flawed of the eight
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9:46 |
: Tito said in all likelihood, Tomlin will be the tribe’s game 4 starter. Is bypassing Salazar and Clevinger as dumb of a mistake as I think it is?
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9:46 |
: Salazar and Clevinger will still be available to use. For multiple innings at a time, if needed
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9:46 |
: That bullpen could be something obscene
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9:48 |
: If the Rockies make the NLDS, Gray and Anderson is a good enough 1-2 to let the Rockies have a shot right?
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9:49 |
: I kind of like Marquez a little, too. But the dropoff from Gray is steep. The Rockies would have a shot because baseball is baseball, but the Rockies are going to be pretty easily the worst playoff team in the NL, assuming they lock up WC2
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9:49 |
: If we changed the rules of baseball to allow an unlimited number defenders onto the field, how many Andrelton Simmons clones would it take to allow a BABIP of .000?
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9:49 |
: Probably at least a hundred
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9:49 |
: Fields are big!
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9:50 |
: For the projections pages, would it be possible to convey some information on how tightly the results are clustered? For example, if a team is very young or injury prone, their expected results might vary widely and it might be interesting to give something like 25th and 75th percentiles
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9:50 |
: I’ll see if there’s anything we could do about that for next season
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9:51 |
: How valuable would this pitcher be: He can pitch 60 innings in a year, with each inning having a 50% chance of allowing 1 run, and a 50% chance of allowing 0 runs
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9:51 |
: So he’d throw 60 innings and have an RA9 of 4.50?
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9:52 |
: This year’s average reliever posted an RA9 of 4.47
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9:52 |
: Assuming in the hypothetical this is something you could know ahead of time, this would basically be the guy you’d use to preserve 2+ run saves
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9:52 |
: That would free up the actual good closer to act more like a fireman
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9:52 |
: So, a modest amount of value
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9:53 |
: I know Kelby Tomlinson isn’t a good major leaguer but he’s definitely the best of anyone who looks like they teach middle school English
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9:53 |
: Tell that to Eric Sogard and Mark Melancon
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9:56 |
: JD Martinez has the third highest wRC+ in the league (min 450 PAs), but will probably get little to no MVP support because he was traded between leagues. He shouldn’t win the award, but he still should get more recognition than he will.
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9:56 |
: So basically it’s the 2015 Yoenis Cespedes argument
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9:56 |
: Cespedes finished 13th in the NL in MVP voting that season
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9:57 |
: Martinez has been worth 2.4 WAR to Arizona. Cespedes was worth 2.7 WAR to New York
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9:57 |
: Given how many amazing players there have been in the NL this year, I don’t think Martinez should finish higher than he likely will
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9:58 |
: I would just like to observe that every NL playoff team is a WS underdog while every non-Twins AL playoff team is favored (should they make it that far).
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9:58 |
: I have a hunch that there’s a bug in our WS odds calculations
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9:58 |
: AL favoritism seems too steep
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9:58 |
: We do you take out of the rotation if you are the Cubs? Quintana, Hendriks, Arrieta seem like locks with their 2nd half. Lackey seems better suited for an ace RP role than Lester.
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9:58 |
: I think it just ends up being Lackey
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9:58 |
: Carlos Correa is on fire. Looks like the Astros offense is getting back to pre-All Star levels at just the right time.
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9:59 |
: With three games left, Astros: 122 wRC+. Next-best team: 108 wRC+
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9:59 |
: Relative to the average, the Astros have indeed had one of the best-hitting lineups in modern baseball history
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10:00 |
: So far Kris Bryant has 6.4 WAR/600 PA and Bryce Harper has 5.1 WAR/600 PA, however Harper has played more/has 6.2 more total WAR even though he is a year younger. Which one do you think will end up with a higher total career WAR?
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10:00 |
: So Harper is younger *and* he has the career WAR advantage by the equivalent of a full season
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10:00 |
: It’s Harper
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10:02 |
: What a shame that the best pitching matchup of the Division Series will probably be a day game. Television networks have no problem sharing prime hours between major NFL or NBA events, so why is MLB so dedicated to staggering playoff start times? Verlander vs Sale (though it could still end up Kluber vs Sale) will be half over before any 9-5ers on the East Coast are home to enjoy it.
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10:02 |
: It’s possible that, from a revenue perspective, the NBA and NHL and NFL have it *wrong*
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10:03 |
: I don’t actually know if that’s true, but presumably, baseball and the networks are aware of how much money there is to be gained or lost by staggering or by overlapping
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10:03 |
: I don’t come at this from a fair perspective; I’m a lucky one, in that I get to just watch all this for my job. I realize how shitty it is for the average fan
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10:04 |
: Remember when Dave Cameron used to stay awake at nights wondering how Matt Cain could consistently beat his FIP.
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10:04 |
: Pop-ups!
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10:04 |
: It was pop-ups all along
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10:04 |
: That and pitching better with runners in scoring position somehow
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10:05 |
: What am I supposed to make of Matt Olson having 24 home runs and only 2 doubles? (Which, by the way, is the second highest HR:2B ratio of all time of players with at least one double)
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10:05 |
: Two things. One, lol no way is that even close to for real. Two, Olson has developed some serious power
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10:07 |
: A lot of articles seem to cast the NL CY Young as a done deal for Scherzer, but how surprised would you be if Kershaw wins?
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10:07 |
: Very surprised. He’s short 26 innings
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10:08 |
: I’m too young to have seen much of Ozzie Smith’s glove work, just highlights. However, I’ve closely followed Andrelton Simmons’ career and am in love with his baseball IQ. Who has the better defensive acumen, Simba or The Wizard of Oz?
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10:08 |
: Here’s the thing about Ozzie Smith: he remained a wizard even deep into his 30s. It’s like when people compare someone like Kenley Jansen to Mariano Rivera. Sure, I get it, but Rivera was Rivera for something like a decade and a half
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10:09 |
: I can’t imagine that Smith looked much different from Simmons, at Simmons’ age. But let’s see if Simmons does this another 10 years. He has the tools and the brain
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10:09 |
: Unfortunate, a little bit, that Simmons is playing in the era of the shift. He therefore has less ground that he’s responsible for covering
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10:09 |
: Does Kris Bryant have a chance to repeat as NL MVP? I think its ridiculous that some people mention Arenado winning but not KB
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10:09 |
: Sure, he has a chance. There are like 10 or 11 guys who have a chance. It’s impossible
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10:10 |
: Mike Montgomery was able to significantly improve his hitting this year and now has a wRC+ of -2 for his career compared to Vogelbach’s career 0 wRC+. I know Vogelbach is 3 years younger, but Montgomery plays an up-the-middle defensive position. If Montgomery can build on that improved batting line next year, is there still a chance the Cubs win that trade?
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10:10 |
: Cubs already won that trade
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10:10 |
: Why was there never a RA9 vs ERA revolution in the mode of OBP vs BA? Too small a difference or a moot point with the advent of FIP and such?
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10:11 |
: Not much to be gained, and much of the difference between RA9 and ERA comes down to team defense. With BA and OBP, it’s all about the hitter skill
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10:11 |
: Hi Jeff! Kluber is scheduled to pitch the next to last game. Sale the last. Do either of those things actually happen? And if not what’s your take on the AL Cy?
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10:11 |
: I don’t know how Kluber doesn’t win, at this point. I think there’s still an argument to be made in favor of Sale, but Kluber is the safest course for every voter, and that’ll win over the majority
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10:12 |
: Who do you think does MLB views as more valuable asset going forward, Severino or Syndergaard?
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10:13 |
: Syndergaard is more marketable. He has more of the traits you look for in a league-wide superstar. But Severino is a little over a year younger, and he has an extra year of team control. Yankees are happy to have who they have
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10:14 |
: Why is Scherzer’s WAR so much better than Kershaw’s is this mostly due to Kershaw’s enourmouse spike in home run rate? Scherzer has pitched 26 more innings, but has given up 16 additional runs too.
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10:14 |
: Scherzer is better by FIP, which is what our WAR is based on. Kershaw is better by ERA
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10:15 |
: Jeff, I’m staring at a long, cold, six months without Trouty. Any advice for dealing with the pain?
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10:15 |
: At any moment, you can watch old highlights
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10:15 |
: It’s freeing, too, to do it during the offseason, when you don’t have to worry about the context of wins and losses. You can just pull up specific Trout plays and appreciate them for the majesty they reflect
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10:16 |
: What will Giancarlo’s final 2017 homerun tally be?
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10:16 |
: 60
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10:16 |
: did Stanton lock up NL MVP last night?
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10:16 |
: A 60th home run would probably give voters the mark that they need
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10:17 |
: Last night Mike Matheny said it was the “first time” he had to say the Cardinals didn’t do what they wanted to achieve. Do you think he’s not only bad at bullpen management, handling young players and using stats, BUT HAS ALSO forgotten about the outcome of every single season he’s managed the Cardinals?
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10:18 |
: This will be Matheny’s worst record of the six years. In the first four years, the Cardinals made the playoffs. Last year they missed by one game
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10:18 |
: Is there any SP for the Red Sox who you would trust in the playoffs?
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10:18 |
: There are maybe one or two starters on the planet better than Chris Sale
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10:19 |
: Should the O’s extend Schoop this offseason, or assume that they’ll be trading him when they go full firesale next July?
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10:19 |
: Wouldn’t be a bad idea to at least get a free-agent year taken care of. You can still trade an extended player
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10:19 |
: When I say Chris Young, who pops into your mind first?
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10:20 |
: The pitcher, just because he’s more unusual
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10:20 |
: That is, pitcher Chris Young has more distinguishing characteristics than hitter Chris Young
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10:20 |
: Now, I can’t play this game with Bobby Jones
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10:21 |
: Astros have 63 hits the last 4 games…Can you do a post on the historicness (I made that word up) of their current wRC+ of 122?
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10:22 |
: Let me run some numbers real quick
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10:23 | : Firstly, here’s a post from July |
10:24 |
: So the gap between the Astros and the next-best team — after eliminating pitchers — is 10 points. That’s one of the larger gaps ever
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10:24 |
: By z-scores, the Astros are 2.8 standard deviations better than the mean
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10:25 |
: Only better lineup: the 1976 Reds, at +2.9 standard deviations
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10:26 |
: If the Astros can somehow lift their team wRC+ to 124 over the weekend, then they’d be the best ever, by this measure
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10:27 |
: Nightengale saying that the Cards will pursue Josh Donaldson this offseason. If the Blue Jays sell, what sort of return from STL would they expect? Flaherty or Weaver?
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10:28 |
: Weaver would be too high a price. Donaldson has one year left, at $17 million
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10:28 |
: Flaherty, I could see
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10:29 |
: I’m not convinced, though, that Donaldson will actually be available over the winter
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10:30 |
: Preferred HR swing: Griffey-like smooth as butter or Stanton-like violence?
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10:30 |
: Like Greg Maddux vs. Randy Johnson
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10:30 |
: I can buy Griffey as sort of the hitter ideal, but I’m a complete sucker for guys who can literally obliterate a baseball
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10:30 |
: and a scoreboard!
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10:30 |
: judge the AL MVP, right?
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10:31 |
: It’ll be Altuve
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10:31 |
: I think Judge is no less deserving, but I think it’ll be Altuve
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10:31 |
: Please rank these young Braves starters in order of future ceiling: Gohara, Folty, Newcomb, Fried, Sims
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10:31 |
: Can’t do it! Evaluating ceiling is impossible
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10:31 |
: The ceiling for everyone is No. 1 starter. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to you
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10:32 |
There are articles being written that the yanks should bench Sanchez for Romine in the WC game. Please tell me they are 2000% over reacting. |
10:32 |
: lol
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10:33 |
: That argument is bad
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10:34 |
: Baseball Prospectus has a bunch of numbers for everything
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10:34 |
: Indeed, Sanchez has been one of the worst blockers. But he’s been one of the better framers and throwers
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10:35 |
: And so, in the end, Sanchez actually shows up as a better defender than Romine does
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10:35 |
: And Romine has slugged .296
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10:36 |
: Would someone like Rafael Bellliard (two (2) career homers) be a threat to hit double digits nowadays?
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10:37 |
: Probably not. There are still limits. Belliard was a ground-ball hitter. And over the past two years, Ben Revere has three home runs, combined
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10:37 |
: You still need *some* power. You just need less than ever before
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10:38 |
: is there a word for what rajai davis did to aroldis chapman last year, a heroic effort that is ultimately forgotten due to subsequent events? it would be the same word for what marcus paige did for UNC in the villanova title game.
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10:38 |
: Maybe I’m just speaking for myself, but, outcome be damned, the Davis home run is still one of the most unbelievable baseball turns of events I’ve ever seen
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10:39 |
: It didn’t ultimately win the game, but that only matters for narrative. Anyone who was watching can recall how the Davis homer felt with perfect mental clarity
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10:40 |
: Astros have shown a lot of faith in Beltran, but he’s just gotten worse through the year. Gattis gonna DH every game in playoffs, or they too worried about losing the DH if he has to catch?
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10:40 |
: Wouldn’t be surprised to see Beltran vs. righties and Gattis vs. lefties
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10:40 |
: I know that Gattis doesn’t have much of a career platoon split, but I don’t think this faith in Beltran has been for show
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10:40 |
: Have you ever done a fantasy baseball camp with a team before?
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10:41 |
: No. But I would enjoy the experience of pitching to a major-league hitter once, just so I could get annihilated and put any thoughts in the back of my head officially to rest
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10:41 |
: Jeff, do you think Kris Bryant has a realistic chance to repeat as NL MVP?
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10:41 |
: Yes
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10:41 |
: What’s the biggest thing we’ll be surprised about this post season that we really shouldn’t be?
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10:42 |
: Starters will still be leaned on too heavily, and no team will run its pitching staff like how the 2016 Indians did
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10:42 |
: Alternate answer: given the opportunity, the Diamondbacks will have Fernando Rodney close
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10:43 |
: Pretend MIL ties COL for NLWC2, and has to go two “play-in” games. What’s their starting pitching strategy for the two games (have to imagine that Chase Anderson’s getting the ball vs ARI if they beat COL, but Johnny Wholestaff vs. COL?) and are the Brewers allowed to assemble two totally different rosters for each game?
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10:43 |
: I imagine it would be Davies, then Anderson. Or, depending on scheduling, Anderson, then Davies. And heavy, heavy bullpen usage
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10:44 |
: I *think* they’d get to use different rosters for each
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10:44 |
: And you could expect a lot of Josh Hader
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10:45 |
: I wonder what the most career hits is for a player to have > 50% XBHs? Right now, Stanton has 955 career hits, 477 singles, 478 XBH, which seems insane to me. Instagraph?
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10:45 |
: Stanton is in second place all-time! From 2 through 5, it goes Giancarlo Stanton, Russell Branyan, Chris Carter, and Khris Davis
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10:45 |
: But while Stanton is second at 955, Mark McGwire is first, all the way up at 1,626
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10:46 |
: McGwire finished with 52% extra-base hits, mostly because, by the end, he could hardly leg out a single
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10:46 |
: Poor Terry Collins. He’s been so bad for so long, only to be shielded by the Wilpons and then dragged through the mud when they’ve had enough of him. He deserved to be fired like a normal ineffective manager a year or two ago.
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10:47 |
: I don’t know how you fire a manager after a playoff appearance
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10:48 |
: I’ll say this: there’s a reason why you’re seeing managers around the league getting younger and younger. This is one of the reasons why Dusty Baker catches too much shit, incidentally. The evidence suggests Baker remains a very good players’ manager!
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10:48 |
: Do you think I end up making 20-25 starts in the Cardinals rotation next year, or have I been surpassed by Weaver and Flaherty?
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10:48 |
: Every team ends up needing like 8-10 starting pitchers. Reyes will have ample opportunity
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10:50 |
: All but four teams this year have had at least six guys make 10+ starts
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10:50 |
: Currently at work. The guy sitting next to me just had a meltdown and quit on the spot. So, if Simmons just played 8 positions and skipped catching, would you be down?
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10:50 |
: I’d like to watch it, although I’d also like to just watch Simmons play shortstop like regular. I’m not sure he’d be capable of more magic in other places
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10:51 |
: Did the astros have the best team offensive performance ever this year?
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10:51 |
: Close, at least. Not that they were good on the bases, which somewhat hurts the case
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10:51 |
: The 1976 Reds also happened to lead the league in steals
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10:52 |
: Those Reds were like 20-30 runs better than average on the bases. The Astros are somewhere in the negative. So the Reds are still the single-season offensive champs
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10:53 |
: Hader – is he a starter in 2018, or an Andrew Miller-type fireman?
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10:53 |
: I don’t know how you don’t see what he can do as a starter
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10:53 |
: Even if you just give him half a season, you have to find out
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10:54 |
: Jeff, why am I getting no love for MVP consideration? How can people put Nolan Arenado over me?
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10:54 |
: Because he has 56 more RBI
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10:55 |
: RBI, of course, aren’t a great measure of value, but Arenado also leads Bryant in RE24 by nine runs
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10:56 |
: At the end of the day, both Bryant and Arenado have been great, but Arenado has hit with better timing. It does matter
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10:56 |
: So, if Vlad Jr. continues to push for a big league promotion with stellar play and Josh Donaldson bounces back to his MVP years, what does Toronto do?
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10:56 |
: Win
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10:57 |
: I’m kinda surprised we aren’t hearing more Albies hype. His batting line looks so much like Lindor’s! Pre-homer spike, of course.
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10:57 |
: Albies makes the worst contact, but some small margin, but yes, he’s had a great debut, especially for a freaking 20-year-old. Very quick hands. I imagine I’ll write about him soon
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10:58 |
: How does the Brewers rebuild continue to progress in 2018?
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10:58 |
: Hopefully — hopefully — Nelson is able to come back and look something like himself. They’re going to start having to make room, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see a blue-chip outfielder traded for an arm
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10:59 |
: Keon Broxton will probably end up the fourth outfielder 🙁
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11:00 |
: Does mainstream media underrate the Indians pitching staff? Fangraphs is the only place I’ve seen call them the best pitching staff of all time, even though most of the WAR says so
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11:00 |
: I think, in general, people don’t have a great mental grasp of how pitching has evolved. When you think about the best staffs ever, you tend to focus on the starting rotations. The other thing about the Indians is they’re so deep they *never* give the ball to a bad pitcher
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11:02 |
: For the sake of argument, let’s compare the Indians to the Braves from 1993 – 1999
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11:02 |
: That is, combining all those years
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11:03 |
: Braves starters had an ERA- of 77. The Indians starters have an ERA- of 79
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11:03 |
: But Braves relievers had an ERA- of 87. Indians relievers have an ERA- of 65
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11:03 |
: Maybe the Braves had more Hall-of-Famers. The Indians are better from top to bottom, because every pitcher on the staff counts
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11:04 |
: I plan to revisit this early next week with a post
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11:04 |
: Is this the postseason that Kershaw finally gets it?
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11:04 |
: Probably not
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11:04 |
: Assuming the alternate universe exists, what does a 90 win 2018 Mariners look like?
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11:04 |
: Most importantly, Paxton would make 33 or whatever starts, and Felix would have a full healthy year as some kind of No. 2
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11:05 |
: JS… Does Javier Baez blast 30 homers next season?
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11:05 |
: Doubt it
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11:06 |
: Bellinger and Hoskins have obviously been gangbusters this season, but Ian Happ’s quietly had an impressive rookie season, too. Is he another building block in Chicago, possibly just scratching the surface? Or is he a potential trade candidate for more arms?
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11:07 |
: Have to like a young power hitter who can play both second base and center field. Happ makes too little contact to blossom into that much of a star, but he’s a long-term building block for sure
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11:08 |
Baseball writers are only perpetuating the theory of Shohei Ohtani coming over this offseason so that, when the news breaks that he decides not to come over, they’ll have something to write about over the cold, winter months. |
11:08 |
: At this point I just want it to be over with. There’s nothing new to write. We know what he is! As much as we can, until he plays in the majors
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11:09 |
: All right, I need to get rolling
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11:10 |
: So thank you everybody for hanging out, and I’m sorry for what I didn’t or couldn’t address. I don’t know what the chat schedule will look like next Friday — lots of playoff games going on. But for now I can at least tell you I’ll be live-chatting the game Tuesday night
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11:10 |
: For the time being, be well and have great days
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Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
I wonder how many people on Fangraphs had a chance to watch the 1999 version of Pedro Martinez. It is, beyond any shadow of a doubt, the greatest single season pitching performance in the fabled history of this game that everybody here loves. 313 K’s, next was Finley at 200, 1.39 FIP with Mussina next at 3.25 then Sele at 3.85. That is beyond unbelievable and so is every other stat. When compared to all other seasons in baseball nothing comes close to this disparity between one pitcher and everybody else. Kershaw, at his best, merits some debate but nobody else is in the discussion.
I don’t think there’s any question that 1999 Pedro Martinez had the greatest single pitching year in baseball history. The only question regards how much baseball has changed in the almost two decades since. Would Pedro dominate to the same level, now that hitters are tuned to higher and higher velocity? I figure Pedro would still be dominant, but probably somewhat less so. Maybe not!
That was my line of thinking. I think we call can agree Babe Ruth would not be a good MLB player in 2017. Maybe if he was raised as a 2017 player he would be. I think the same applies on a lesser scale to players of much more recent times.
I feel Barry Bonds may not be the best hitter in the MLB today. He would be a top 5 hitter, but his GOAT hitting seasons were against much slower pitchers, more loogys, less RP changes, and less technology which I feel is the biggest factor. I think his line would resemble Joey Votto. A 160-170 wRC+. I do not think he would run a consistent 230 wRC+ and I was called an idiot. What are your thoughts?
We cannot all agree with that.
I suspect that Babe Ruth would do just fine in this environment.
We can only judge players against their peers. The best of any era is the best. Time machines are for science fiction. If Bartolo Colon can bring a shadow of his 1999 game to the mound in 2017, then Pedro’s 1999 stuff would still be the best in the game. his curve would still be unhittable, his change the best in the game, his command still unsurpassed, his heater plenty good enough and he would still bring one of the sharpest minds ever to play the game with him when he took the mound.