Now the Red Sox Look Like the Best In the League*
A few weeks ago, I found myself messing around on one of the projections pages, and I happened upon something I didn’t expect: the Mariners were projected for the highest team WAR in the American League. I wrote all about it for Fox, and while people made their jokes about the Mariners only looking like a contender after the end of the season, I thought it was neat to be able to establish a sort of pre-offseason baseline. What the numbers say right now isn’t meaningless. At the start of the offseason, the Mariners looked solid. How they look at the end depends on their own moves, and on the moves of the others.
So, about those others. Consider the Mariners knocked out of first place, if only until the next domino falls. The Red Sox have reached an agreement with Hanley Ramirez, and he will play some position. The Red Sox have also reached an agreement with Pablo Sandoval, and he will play third base. Go into the numbers now and you see a new best team in the American League. It’s only based on projections, and it’s not even December, but last year the Red Sox finished in last, and that doesn’t look real likely to repeat.
This actually requires a little bit of guesstimation. I suppose all projections are essentially guesstimates, but, let me explain. If you sort the depth chart page, the Red Sox are still a full win behind the Mariners. So that looks a lot more like second place than first place, but there’s a little something that gets revealed upon deeper investigation. Specifically, Rusney Castillo doesn’t yet have a projection, so he’s showing up at -0.2 WAR as a regular center fielder. That performance is possible, but unlikely, given Castillo’s skills and price. The Red Sox are paying Castillo to be almost a two-win player. And if he were to really struggle, the Sox would presumably give more time to Mookie Betts. Let’s play things somewhat conservative and bump Castillo up to 1 WAR. Now you have the Red Sox leapfrogging the Mariners, pulling in front by the smallest of margins.
To repeat a table format I used in an earlier post about the White Sox and Adam LaRoche, here are positional WAR projections:
Team | C | 1B | 2B | SS | 3B | LF | CF | RF | DH | SP | RP | WAR |
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AL Avg. | 3.3 | 2.6 | 2.7 | 2.3 | 3.3 | 2.1 | 2.9 | 2.5 | 1.4 | 8.7 | 1.9 | 33.7 |
Red Sox | 2.7 | 3.0 | 5.1 | 3.5 | 3.7 | 3.5 | 2.5 | 3.2 | 2.6 | 6.6 | 2.9 | 39.3 |
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AL Rank | 12 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 7 | 3 | 2 | 14 | 2 | 1 |
The Red Sox have a lot of strengths, and few weaknesses, at least as Steamer and the depth charts see it. The numbers aren’t wild about Christian Vazquez, but he’s mostly in there for his defense. The rest of the positions are at least acceptable, save for the starting rotation. And that’s where the Red Sox know they need some help.
They’re said to still be in on Cole Hamels. Some have even reported that the Sox are close to signing Jon Lester, although what’s more probable is that Boston is just active in talks. It’s hard to know who to trust and who to ignore right now, with nobodies coming out of the woodwork to break significant news. What feels like a certainty is that Boston will upgrade the staff. Just a matter of settling identities and price. We could be talking about one arm, or we could be talking about two.
Since 1950, 711 different teams have posted at least 35 WAR. Only seven of them have had rotations worth under 7 WAR, as the Red Sox are currently projected. The 2004 Dodgers were fourth in baseball in position-player WAR, fifth in bullpen WAR, and 28th in rotation WAR. Those Dodgers won their division, so it’s possible to succeed while being this lopsided, but the Red Sox aren’t interested in following the same path. They want some more balance, and they’re very obviously positioned to get it.
Let’s say the team makes a trade. A trade looks like a lock. Let’s say they trade for a three-win starting pitcher. If they were to trade Xander Bogaerts, I’d project almost two additional WAR. If, more likely, they were to trade Yoenis Cespedes, I’d project about one additional WAR. They could make a trade and also make a signing, and a signing could add another 2-3 wins. Right now, the depth chart has Allen Webster, Brandon Workman, and Anthony Ranaudo contributing 1.4 WAR over 370 innings. That’s exactly where the Red Sox would like to find 6 – 7 WAR. I apologize for repeating WAR over and over and over again, but that’s what you have to do when there aren’t actual games being played. You have to project what a team is going to be.
And it looks like the Red Sox are positioned to be 2015’s American League favorite. Steamer basically thinks they’re there right now, and while the Mariners will do something within the next month, the Red Sox also aren’t finished. And among the teams behind them, there’s only so much they can improve. The A’s will add to the middle infield, but they don’t have much to spend. The Tigers have already spent on Victor Martinez, and the Jays have already spent on Russell Martin. The Angels claim to be low on payroll flexibility. Boston was already the first team to go worst to first to worst. They’re lining up to go worst to first to worst to first.
It’s not hard to see where things could go wrong. Last year also had the Red Sox projected to win their division. Stuff happens. The difference between a top-five team and a bottom-five team is less than you’d think. But last year’s top five projected records belonged to the Nationals, Dodgers, Tigers, Red Sox, and Cardinals. Four of those teams won their divisions. These numbers mean something, even in November, and now it’s perfectly clear why the Red Sox traded Jon Lester for short-term help instead of long-term assets. The Red Sox already had plenty of long-term assets. They want to win as soon as they can, and they can win now.
Jeff made Lookout Landing a thing, but he does not still write there about the Mariners. He does write here, sometimes about the Mariners, but usually not.
The Sox are paying Pablo Sandoval $20m a year for the next five years?
As a Yankees fan, that makes me very, very happy.
I’m happy to bring you back down to earth by reminding you of the combined 20 years and $400MM worth of salary owed across Sabathia, A-Rod, Teixeira, McCann, Beltran and Ellsbury.
The only one of those contracts we won’t be out of before the Sox are done with Sandoval is Ellsbury’s.
Tex and Beltran are done in 2016, A-Rod and CC are done in 2017, and McCann (who was worth the money last year, when you look at framing, and was much better in the second half), is done in 2018.
Lol fans of big market teams.
“Welcome to the team guys! We’re rooting for you! We can’t wait until we’re done paying you!”
How’s the farm looking CLS?
It’s actually looking up this year! Thanks for asking. They’ve got 3 locks for the top 100 in Severino, Sanchez and Judge, three guys on the fringes of it in Mateo, Refsnyder and Clarkin, along with a massive flood of international talent coming in.
If we manage to snag Moncada, we’re gonna be looking good going forward.
Are you implying the Yankees haven’t gotten any value from those guys?
Yes, most are on the decline, but they’ve been VERY good players in their time in New York. A-Rod has been the 54th best position player since 2008 (inclusive), and that’s including not playing last year! He’s essentially tied with, oh, I don’t know, Panda in that time.
A major, major point Fangraphs readers seem to forget is that teams don’t play for the “most WAR per $$$” trophy. Especially the big market teams. They know they’re “overpaying”, but they don’t care.
Do you laugh at the guy with the beautiful penthouse apartment, saying “HA! for 1/10th the price, I live in a place 1/8th as nice! I bet he feels stupid!”?
three, of the top 100. Not bad, not bad. *sarcasm*
The average across all of MLB would be 3 of the top 100, so…
Yeah, I’m enjoying the irony of a Yankees fan crowing about bad free agent signings. NY has painted itself into a corner of irrelevance by investing huge in a few positions (for little to no return in some cases) and not retaining enough to plug gaping holes at 2B, SS and DH (I think a few snowflakes fell in hell this past season when Brendan Ryan DH’d).
I’m not much for the Red Sox, but I have to say that the team is scary with its combination of a top ten farm system AND money to spend. They’re where the Dodgers and Yankees wish they could be.
Is that you, Alanis? It’s not ironic that I enjoy watching teams fuck up as badly as mine did from 2007-2009.
This is my favorite Red Sox signing since Carl Crawford, personally. It’s always nice when they do something astoundingly stupid, because Henry is too focused on Liverpool to take the luxury cap hit they’ll need to get out from under this one.
@ CLS – You forgot 2004. Yankees effed up really bad in 2004. Mid-October to be exact.
…what? That has as much to do with what we’re talking about as the Bruins doing the same thing against the Flyers in 2010.
Funny!
I could see it as an overpay, but not by that much. And this is the Red Sox, so it’s not like they have a strict budget for their salary. I’m not sure why you’re happy to see a rival team lock up a good player during his prime years.
The Giants already got his prime years. The Sox just locked him in for his swift decline.
Agreed.
You do realize next year is Sandoval’s age 28 season, right?
28-32 isn’t exactly “decline” territory. This is homerism at its best.
No, thinking that the average player’s aging curve will have anything to do with a man built like Pablo Sandoval is “homerism at its best,” since the only people who claimed that before today were Giants fans, and the only people who will claim that after today are Red Sox fans.
Assuming he ages ahead of the usual curve, that’s still probably 3 years worth of solid production. I’m not crying.
Jonathan, the Red Sox didn’t sign Henry Aaron, Willie Mays or Barry Bonds for their 28-32 seasons. They signed a player who could eat Aaron, Mays and Bonds and still have room for a turkey. They signed a player who is Prince Fielder’s clone, minus the durability. Ask a Texas Rangers fan how they feel about Prince Fielder past the age of 30…
Pablo Sandoval’s career defensive runs: +16
Prince Fielder’s career defensive runs: -17
Not saying Pablo is Beltre or anything but…he is most certainly NOT Prince in the field.
I don’t think anyone’s arguing that Sandoval’s going to be an MVP contender. The question is whether this has the makings of an albatross. For his age 28-32 seasons, the odds are against that, even at his size.
People are throwing out the Fielder example, which is an awful comparison considering:
A. Fielder’s injury issues have had absolutely nothing to do with his weight.
B. Fielder’s contract was literally more than double the reported value of Sandoval’s deal.
You’re forgetting the other two things that differentiate him from Fielder!
1) Fielder hadn’t declined in each of the four years leading up to his deal.
2) Fielder missed just four games in the the four years leading up to his deal, while Pablo missed 125 games in those years.
So yeah, I disagree with the Fielder comps. Fielder was a much better player and had far fewer red flags.
And what a decline the past 3 years have been, CLS! I mean, going from 118 wRC+ to 116 to 111! That’s a 6 (SIX!) percent decrease! And his WAR/600 PA has gone from 3.5 to 2.4 to 2.8! WHAT A FREEFALL! It’s clear that someone claiming that Sandoval had a huge decline could never be a homer! The analysis is just too solidly backed up for that to be possible!
I would be very skeptical of anyone expecting continued defensive prowess from Mr. Sandoval, if he does end up having an accelerated aging curve, and I think he will, I see that as the first thing to decline and sharply at that.
Sooner rather than later, the Red Sox will be seriously itching to get him off the payroll.
So, Steven, did it hurt when you pulled the word “huge” out of your ass and tried to put it in my mouth?
He’s declined offensively each year since 2011. That’s not arguable. That’s fact.
I’m not sure how pointing that out makes me a “homer,” anymore than I was a homer when I laughed at all the Sox fans crowing about how they had “stolen” Crawford from the Yankees, and said that they had never wanted him over Gardner in the first place.
They signed a declining, injury prone player with a terrible body for $100 million over the next 5 years. That’s what happened. The only reason I can think of that people are trying to justify it is that he got hot for a few weeks in the postseason.
“Fact.” The last refuge of a homer.
The fact is that Sandoval’s wRC+ has decreased from 118 to 116 to 111. But you just happened to leave out another fact (I’m not saying you’re a homer who ignored it on purpose; you probably just forget to look for it): that difference is not significant enough to show that he has already started his downfall.
His 111 wRC+ in 2014 is literally a handful of walks and a couple of homeruns away from being a 118. And if he hit two more homeruns in 2013, his wRC+ would actually be higher than his 2012 wRC+. If either of those happened, your “HE’S DECLINING YOU IDIOTS! WHY ARE YOU ALL SUCH HOMERS, UNLIKE ME?” narrative would be nullified.
Maybe if you stopped trying to fit statistics to your narrative, you might be able to understand that his DRS has actually increased over the past three years (-5 to -5 to 4) in addition to his UZR/150 (1.4 to -6.3 to 3.5). How in the hell did he do that? Doesn’t he know what you know–that fat players’ performance drops off a cliff once they reach their late 20’s?
i bet if you even just included his 2014 postseason numbers in his overall 2014 line – after all postseason numbers are a notoriously small sample but they did *happen*, and his were pretty good – that might bump last year up far enough to eliminate this “permanent four-year decline” narrative. i don’t have the energy to actually do the math on that, but, like you’re saying, the margins between his last 3 years are pretty small
So, what you’re saying is, if Pablo Sandoval had hit better than he did last year, he would have had better offensive numbers? Revolutionary.
Also, the decline is from 149 to 118 to 116 to 111.
And it’s convenient that you’re also ignoring Sandoval’s decline in BB/K and ISO.
I don’t think everyone’s a deluded homer. Just the idiots pretending that Sandoval isn’t already declining, and isn’t likely to continue to do so.
You know, like you.
Forgot to mention that his UBR has declined in each of the past 3 years as well, which is helps explain he was half a win worse offensively than 2012, despite playing in 50 more games.
The only way this deal makes sense is if they’re expecting Sandoval to be better and healthier from 28-30 than he was from 25-27.
I wasn’t a fan of either the Crawford or the Ellsbury deals, but at least both of them had been worth $20m at some point in the previous three years, and were athletic enough that a swift decline was unlikely.
This one is just dumb, any way you slice it.
So you’re unable to comprehend that the “decline” in offense is basically negligible? And you’re unable to comprehend that his defense has actually improved? And you’re using BB/K without mentioning his improving SwSt% (from 10.8 to 9 to 8.8) and without mentioning that the league averages in both BB% and K% have changed over those years?
And you think base running of all things can trump everything else to prove your point?
If Sandoval is worth 3 WAR over the next 3 years, then 2.5 WAR, and then 2 WAR, he’d be worth 13.5 WAR. At $6.5 mil with no interest, he’d be worth $88 million. You’d have to be a homer like yourself to believe this contract is likely to be an albatross.
So you agree that the Sox are betting on a 5’11” man who weighs well over 250 pounds being better and healthier from 28-30 than he was from 25-27, despite no longer having any incentive do so, now that he’s been paid?
And that if he is better and healthier from 28-30 than he was from 25-27, and he proceeds to decline at the same rate as an average player (which is silly to think), then it’ll still be a slight overpay?
Jeez, you sure showed me, mister! I’d have to be a homer to think it’s a terrible contract.
A happy yank fan! Good job being cool and smooth
Watch The Wire, kiddo.