Oakland Acquires Improbable, Inevitable Future MVP in Trade
In January of this year, the author of this post, following some statistical perambulations, arrived at the conclusion that Max Schrock, a 13th-round selection out of the University of South Carolina during the most recent (2015) draft, would someday win an MVP award. The basis for that conclusion: no SEC batter in 2015 had produced numbers more similar to Josh Donaldson’s — during Donaldson’s own final year as a collegiate player (also in the SEC) — than Schrock. And Donaldson himself had just collected an MVP award in the American League. So, by a very liberal application of the transitive property, I concluded that Schrock would as well.
There were, of course, a number of reasons to suppose that Max Schrock would not win an MVP award in the major leagues. There remain a number of reasons. Chief among them is probably this: the best player of the current era — and possibly any one’s era ever — has received only one MVP award during his first four seasons in the majors and faces a non-negligible chance of extending that record to one in five years. If Mike Trout is capable of just a 20% conversion rate on MVP awards, everyone else’s chances are dramatically lower.
Moreover, there’s the matter of Schrock himself. Because, here’s a type of prospect who rarely develops into a perennial MVP candidate: a 5-foot-8 hitter. And here’s another kind: an infielder who’s incapable of playing a competent shortstop. And here’s a third sort: a player who’s selected in the 13th round. How many 5-foot-8, 13th-round second basemen have been recognized as their respective league’s best? I lack the requisite ambition to perform the search. But none seems like a reasonable answer. Let’s assume none or somewhere close to none. Indeed, even Josh Donaldson, whose ascent to stardom is regarded as improbable, is a former first-round selection. And features physical attributes that suggest the ability to hit for power. And offered, as a young player, the possibility of defensive value as a catcher. (And continues to offer it as a markedly above-average third baseman.) Schrock possesses none of these redeeming qualities.
But ever since that mid-winter’s post celebrating Schrock’s virtues, he’s acquitted himself almost perfectly, first recording the lowest strikeout rate among all Low-A batters and, more recently, recording almost the lowest strikeout rate among High-A batters — while also producing a roughly league-average isolated-power figure at both levels. That combination of extreme contact and satisfactory power — combined with the capacity to occupy a place on the more challenging end of the defensive spectrum — is a deceptively valuable one. Players who’ve paired those skills at the major-league level have been almost uniformly helpful.
What do those major-league seasons look like? Regard, a table featuring all the qualified players over the first half of this decade who recorded an elite strikeout rate (under 11%, in this case, which accounts for roughly 10% of batters each year) and exhibited roughly league-average power (.130-.160 ISO) and produced a positive positional adjustment. Note: catchers have been excluded because their positional adjustment renders them otherly.
| Name | Team | Season | PA | K% | ISO | wRC+ | Pos | WAR |
| Jose Reyes | Mets | 2011 | 586 | 7.0% | .156 | 142 | 5.6 | 5.9 |
| Robinson Cano | Mariners | 2014 | 665 | 10.2% | .139 | 137 | 1.4 | 5.2 |
| Ian Kinsler | Tigers | 2014 | 726 | 10.9% | .145 | 103 | 2.4 | 5.2 |
| Jose Altuve | Astros | 2015 | 689 | 9.7% | .146 | 123 | 2.2 | 4.5 |
| Andrelton Simmons | Braves | 2013 | 658 | 8.4% | .149 | 91 | 7.0 | 4.5 |
| Dustin Pedroia | Red Sox | 2012 | 623 | 9.6% | .160 | 114 | 1.9 | 4.5 |
| Jose Reyes | Marlins | 2012 | 716 | 7.8% | .146 | 110 | 7.3 | 4.1 |
| Jimmy Rollins | Phillies | 2011 | 631 | 9.4% | .131 | 103 | 6.1 | 3.6 |
| Ian Kinsler | Rangers | 2013 | 614 | 9.6% | .136 | 104 | 0.7 | 2.6 |
| Martin Prado | D-backs | 2013 | 664 | 8.0% | .135 | 104 | 0.8 | 1.9 |
| Average | — | — | — | 9.1% | .144 | 113 | 3.5 | 4.2 |
**Also possibly excludes reason.
I don’t feel comfortable declaring that a solid campaign by Martin Prado represents Max Schrock’s floor. Although, to be fair, I don’t feel comfortable doing anything else, either. And, to continue being fair, it’s important to note that, however authoritative this table renders the conclusions it renders, it’s merely one form of prospect-related alchemy. Upon whatever method one relies for analyzing/projecting prospects, it’s still difficult to identify which good prospects will actually become good players.
For the moment, however, what Oakland has done it to trade away a left-handed reliever for a promising young player. And it seems unlikely that believing said young player will become an MVP has any chance of materially hurting anyone.
Carson Cistulli has published a book of aphorisms called Spirited Ejaculations of a New Enthusiast.
Lotta cajones calling anyone a future MVP. I like it.
You know who isn’t a future MVP? Mylz Jones.
I feel that this occasion warrants Carson metaphorically putting his money where his mouth is; if Schrock does ever win an MVP award, Carson should be honor-bound to… do something. Go on, Cistulli, make a wager!
If Schrock does win an MVP, each of us donates $1 to this site on the internets. If he doesn’t, Carson donates the opposite of $1, which perhaps could be a dirt dauber, to the exact opposite site of this one, through regular mail.
Saw the headline, was 100% sure this was a Cistulli article.
So since the A’s have gone after Semien, Cotton, and now Shrock, will you finally admit that you, Carson Cistulli, are secretly a member of Billy Beane’s inner circle and are advising him on potential trade candidates?
Lmao! Yeah, you’ve got him cornered now and he has no choice but to ‘fess up!
The A’s have eliminated scouting from their budget, replaced it with FanGraphs.
He’s a little. Analysis I would want to see if the history of players 5’8″ or less in the game. Guessing that over the past 50 years, we could count on one hand the number of players 5’8″ or less who’ve accumulated more than 5 fWar in their careers.
1. Quite a few players 5’8″ or less have had successful careers. Jimmy Rollins, Dustin Pedroia, Jose Altuve, Joe Morgan, Pudge, David Eckstein. There are 5 Hall of Famers at 5’6″ and a total of 14 guys in the Hall at 5’7″ or under.
2. Your phrasing “he’s a little” is strange given what it means to be “a little”: “Used to describe someone who roleplays as an age younger than they are in a BDSM dynamic.”
My sister is the executive producer for Little People, Big World and that is also how they refer to people there. They say, “He’s a little”, which is actually endearing in the little people world.
Guess we should have been calling you the Well-Versed Englishman…
I thought of Carson Cistulli when I read the name Max Schrock; it’s possible I spend too much time on this website. 😐
He’s no Mylz Jones though.
Small second basemen without much draft pedigree who becomes an mvp candidate? Sounds an awful lot like mookie betts although he’s doing it as an outfielder but only out of necessity. There’s one example right there
Mookie Betts is a Fringe Five alumnus.
yes but how long until they trade him to the Blue Jays?
5’8, two-bagger, MVP…Dustin Pedroia
Feels like current Mike Trout is like post-shaq/pre-pau Kobe Bryant. Clearly the best player but awful team keeps costing him the MVP’s he deserves
More like Shaq. Clearly the best but not recognized as such by dumb sportswriters.
Shaq had a major weakness. Mike Trout doesn’t.
Working in Shrock/Cistulli’s favor: after the upcoming award, 50% of all the AL MVP’s since 2015 have played in the A’s organization at one point
I feel like I have no idea what percentage of fangraphs readers share my obsession with Carson Cistulli.
“If Mike Trout is capable of just a 20% conversion rate on MVP awards, everyone else’s chances are dramatically lower.”
I disagree. If Mike Trout actually had a 100% conversion rate (justifiably so), then everyone would else would have a ZERO chance of winning. Schrock only has any chance BECAUSE Mike Trout isn’t always being picked.
Math – mutually exclusive events…
this was my thought. I think that anyone has a better chance of winning an mvp in their career if the best player in the league isn’t always awarded it
I may be missing something here, but the statement reads to me that ‘if even Trout only gets it 20% of the time, all the other (presumably inferior) players’ odds must be lower than that. Makes sense to me.
If you assume that all the odds of all players in the American League add up to 100%, then you LOWER ALL OF THEM, it won’t equal 100% any more.
Since the odds of having an MVP are 100%, by artificially lowering the best player’s odds, you are by default artificially increasing everybody else’s odds because the total still has to equal 100%.
This makes way to much sense for a comments section, even a fangraphs one.
Trout ends up not winning because Miggy needed an MVP and Trout was a rookie his first year. Miggy had an insane year Trout’s 2nd year, and I really have no idea why he didn’t win last year other than that the Angels suck.
The year Trout actually won the MVP was his worst year statistically!
What I can’t figure out is how they come up with the defensive numbers for players like Ty Cobb, Arky Vaughn, Joe Jackson, Sherry Magee, et al.
In that link that Cistulli provided labeled in bold as “and possibly any one’s era ever” it will show you how some of these great players ranked defensively. But how did they arrive at these numbers? Was there sufficient footage through newsreel films of their games to come up with these numbers or are they relying on the testimony and memories of players from those eras? Obviously videotapes of games didn’t exist back then.
So basically, Max Schrock will be just another obstacle in preventing the best player of our current era from getting the MVP.
5-8 2B as MVP? Jose Altuve is 5-6.
That means he’s 2 inches more likely to be MVP, right?
Unfortunately, it means that he has far too much physical projection and will likely flame out of baseball.
So the moral of the story is that Max Schrock either will or will not win an MVP. I support this 100%.