Position Adjustment Wrap Up

Yesterday, we talked about center fielders and their relationship to infielders. Like with the 2B/3B conversation last week, the conclusion was mostly unsatisfying. We know how good outfielders are in relation to each other, just like we know how good infielders are in relation to each other, but trying to figure out the difference between infielders and outfielders is a much tougher task.

Some players, like Willie Harris, have skillsets that work a lot better in the outfield than in the infield, where speed is a much bigger factor. Other players, such as Scott Rolen, have the skills to be elite defensive infielders, but don’t profile as guys who would do nearly as well in the outfield. There simply isn’t a blanket statement we can make about the relative difficulties of playing infield and playing outfield that apply to everyone.

Right now, the best we can do is make generalizations that are true across large groups. In that way, perhaps the best way to think of position adjustments are similar to how we think of park factors. Safeco Field depresses offense, so when we look at park adjusted numbers, we give a bump to all hitters and downgrade all pitchers. However, Safeco doesn’t treat all hitters evenly, being brutal on RH bats and pretty friendly to LH bats. Despite this, we still have to conclude that the runs created by LH bats are more valuable, because of the depressed run environment, than they would be if the park was more hitter friendly to RH batters.

Likewise, we know that the pool of players that can play the infield is smaller than the pool that can play the outfield. Since the pool of potential outfielders is larger than the potential pool of infielders (especially 2B/3B/SS), we have to recognize the extra value that infielders provide by doing something that outfielders cannot do.

The position adjustments we have aren’t perfect – we know that. There are some players who could move between positions easier than the adjustments would suggest, and others who would be significantly worse than the adjustment level if moved to a tougher position. But, ignoring position adjustments because they aren’t perfect would be akin to ignoring park factors because they don’t treat all players the same, and I think we all agree that ignoring park factors would be a step back in the understanding of player valuation.

There’s a lot more research that can be done on the relationship between the 2B/3B/SS and CF/LF/RF groups of players. Now that FanGraphs has UZR data available, we’ll continue to explore these issues, and hopefully bring more light to the relative value of each defensive position.

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mymrbig
16 years ago

This point may have been made in the past threads (who’s comments I did not read since they were quite extensive), but I think this discussion has failed to even mention the most important factor in the infield/outfield discussion. Some guys are just never comfortable with having a groundball hit at them over 100 mph. Doesn’t matter what kind of reactions or speed or first-step quickness or hands a guy has if he just never gets comfortable with grounders and bad hops (or throwing while moving in a direction away from your target, which infielders do much more than outfielders).

The same can be said of reading the ball off the bat in the outfield and taking good routes. Some guys can do it and some guys can’t. I think there are a lot of unquantifiable defensive skills and while I realize this series of articles have focussed on generalizations and the quantifiable, I think there should have been at least a tip-of-the-hat to some of the unquantifiable skills that exist.

How else can you explain a guy like Matt Diaz? All negative scouting reports on his defense going through the minors, yet his career UZR/150 over 1768 innings is +8.1 runs. Either the numbers lie or, despite his lack of athletisism, he takes better routes and gets better jumps than people give him credit for. Same can be said for Luke Scott (+8.5 UZR/150 over 2352.2 innings). No idea why these guys are good defenders, but apparently they are.