The Red Sox Are Pulling the Wrong Levers With Rafael Devers

Since 2019, Rafael Devers has put up 25.2 WAR for the Red Sox. Over that span, only one other player has even reached 10.0; it was Xander Bogaerts, who is no longer with the team. With the exception of the shortened 2020 season, Devers has never finished worse than second on the team in WAR. That includes last season, when he recorded 4.1 WAR despite playing through injuries to both shoulders. He was arguably the worst defensive third baseman in baseball, but he hit so well that he was inarguably the best player on the team, the face of the franchise, and one of the most productive third basemen in the game.
The Red Sox traded away Mookie Betts. They let Bogaerts walk. They kept Devers. When erstwhile chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom signed Devers to a 10-year, $313.5 million contract extension in January 2023, Michael Baumann’s headline read, “The Red Sox Have Finally Extended Rafael Devers.” He’s the longest-tenured member of the team, and only Kristian Campbell, whose extension contains team options for 2033 and 2034, is under contract further into the future. The Red made Devers the cornerstone, but in something straight out of a Suzy Eddie Izzard bit, they have spent the past couple months trying to dig him up and plop him down in different spots. The moves make baseball sense. That’s not the problem. The problem is communication. The team seems to be doing its level best to alienate its biggest star, repeatedly saying one thing in public, and then another to Devers in private.
It started during the offseason, when the Red Sox began pursuing Alex Bregman. Throughout free agency, Bregman had been vocal about his openness to switching his position from third base to second, and the Red Sox were just as vocal that they’d prefer him at second. When asked during the Winter Meetings about rumors that Devers might be moved off third, manager Alex Cora said, “I don’t know where that comes from. I haven’t talked to Raffy about that. I have never talked to his agent about that. People talk about his defense. Actually, I thought last year, he did an outstanding job, especially to his left…. And I guarantee you we haven’t had those conversations.” Clearly, the last sentence was true, but there’s no universe in which Cora was unaware of how much Devers’ defense hurt the team last season. Maybe his willingness to say something so obviously untrue should have been a sign.
Cora doubled down on those comments just a few weeks later. “Rafael Devers is our third baseman,” he told NESN. “I always envisioned Alex as a Gold Glover second baseman.” Even when Bregman signed, the Red Sox indicated that he would play second base, as a source told ESPN’s Jeff Passan on the day the news of the deal broke. Then all hell broke loose. Two days after Bregman agreed to his three-year, $120 million contract, with opt outs after either of the first two seasons, Cora and chief baseball officer Craig Breslow did exactly what they’d been saying for months that they wouldn’t do. They asked Devers to move to designated hitter. Devers said no.
Three days later, he candidly told reporters what happened. “Third base is my position,” he said. “It’s what I’ve played. I don’t know what their plans are. I know we have a conversation and I made it clear what my desires were.” He also revealed that he was assured that he’d play third base when he signed his contract extension all of two years earlier. “That was definitely what was discussed when I signed, that I would be playing this position for a long time,” he said through team interpreter Daveson Perez. “I believe people’s word and I take it to heart, so it was very surprising that they would suggest that. Since the beginning, I have known that this is a business, and I’ve known that each side is going to do what’s comfortable to them. I don’t think that this is the right way to do business.”
The situation was ugly. Dan Shaughnessy of the Boston Globe reported these comments in a February 17 story that made fun of Devers’ weight multiple times and was packed with implied criticism for infractions such as using a translator, flying home to the Dominican Republic for his daughter’s birthday the previous week — before Boston’s first full-squad workout — and doing his rehab work indoors rather than in view of reporters. “Rafael Devers is in the ‘no’ business,” wrote Steve Buckley of The Athletic, in an article titled “Rafael Devers has earned right to pout, but it’s good business to move him to DH.”
When asked about the promises Devers received, Cora said, “Different people here, right? There’s a different leader here. Chaim is in St. Louis right now.” One wonders whether Cora would have felt the same way were he the one being effectively demoted. As Buckley wrote, “A lot of people, not just Bloom, suggested Devers would be a long-term fixture at third base.” Cora was Boston’s manager at the time. He was one of those people. In fact, he made that same argument himself while fending off the position-switching rumors during the Winter Meetings. He told reporters, “When you sign a contract like that, he signed as a third baseman and he wants to be a third baseman, right?” The team made Devers a promise and the team broke it.
As news of Devers’ comments swirled, Breslow told reporters, “These things tend to have a way of working themselves out.” He was right. Devers agreed to the move within a few days and has continued to be one of the best hitters in baseball. The team was certainly within its rights to ask Devers to move, even to demand it, but it’s not particularly difficult to think of better ways to handle the situation. According to Cora, Devers urged ownership to go out and sign reinforcements just last summer. He clearly cares about building a winning roster. The powers that be didn’t have to shout from the rooftops that his job was safe when they didn’t mean it. They could have kept him apprised or made him feel included in the decision-making process. They could have broached the possibility of a move earlier. Devers has been with the organization since 2013. Surely, someone knows him well enough to plan out a course of action that would have been less hurtful or less likely to result in public acrimony.
That acrimony set the scene for what’s going on now. The day after Triston Casas injured his left knee, Cora was asked whether the Red Sox would consider moving Devers to play first base. “From my end right now, no,” he said. To every follow-up question, he replied, “No.” He said, “We’re staying the course.” He said, “We made a decision. We talked to him. He’s a DH.” The next day, when Casas underwent surgery to repair his ruptured left patellar tendon, Boston announced that he would be out for the season. “I like Raffy as DH,” Cora said. “In my opinion, to throw something at him right now, it [would] be very unfair.” Would you like to guess what happened next?
When Breslow approached Devers about taking over at first base, Devers once again felt like the chief baseball officer had gone back on his word and once again said no. “I know I’m a ballplayer,” Devers said via translator, “but at the same time, they can’t expect me to play every single position out there. In spring training, they talked to me and basically told me to put away my glove, that I wasn’t going to play any other position but DH. So right now, I just feel like it’s not an appropriate decision by them to ask me to play another position.”
Devers was told that he was done playing the field, period. He was told to put away his glove! Cora told reporters during spring training that Devers wouldn’t play third even when Bregman needed a day off. Less than two months later, after doing as he was told and working with the coaching staff to figure out an entirely new routine as a DH, he’s being asked to take over a position he has never played professionally at any level. Christopher Smith of MassLive reported that when asked whether the request upset him, Devers said, “Yeah, I don’t think they stay true to their word. They told me I was going to be playing this position, DH. And now they are going back on that. So yeah, I don’t think they stay true to their word.”
Once again, Devers just plain sounded hurt, specifically by Breslow. “It was the GM that I spoke with,” he said. “I’m not sure what [issue] he has with me. He played ball and I would like to think he knows that changing positions like that isn’t easy. They put me in this situation, and they told me that they didn’t want to allow me to play any other position. And now, I think they should do their jobs essentially, and hit the market and look for another player [for first base]. I’m not sure why they want me to be in-between the way they have been.” When asked if he would reconsider playing first base, he said, “I don’t think so. They told me I’m a little hard-headed. They already asked me to change once and this time I don’t think I can be as flexible.”
The team called in the big guns over the weekend. Owner John Henry flew to Kansas City along with CEO Sam Kennedy and Breslow. Breslow told reporters that Henry spoke to Devers with Cora in the room. Said Breslow, “We felt like it was important, based on the situation that unfolded yesterday, to come out here and have an honest conversation about what we value as an organization and what we believe is important to the Boston Red Sox and that is being great teammates for each other. And so we think we had a productive conversation. John seems to have had a productive conversation. And that’s where things stand right now.” Asked what he meant by “being a great teammate,” Breslow replied, “I think it’s No. 1, being honest and open with communication. I think it is recognizing when there’s an opportunity to step up, when there’s a need for the group to be in front of any individual achievement or accomplishment. And I think it’s important that that gets reinforced given what we’re hoping to accomplish.”
When asked whether he regretted the way he handled the situation back in February, Breslow gave a circuitous non-answer. “Obviously, it’s unfortunate that we’re in the situation that we are right now,” he said. “But as you approach every decision, you try to provide as much clear communication as possible. It’s my job to always put the priorities of the organization first. But I should also be evaluating every interaction I have with players and I’ll continue to do that.”
The safe assumption is that Devers will be playing first base soon enough. That’s how it went back in February. He was hurt, he refused, he made his displeasure known publicly, and then he fell in line. It’s not as if Devers has a lot of options. It’s hard to expect that he’ll maintain such a firm line over the course of the season, particularly if he thinks there’s a chance it could hurt the team. Besides, you have to imagine that in a vacuum, Devers would prefer getting to play in the field, even if it’s at first base, to DHing.
There are legitimate baseball reasons to question the way the Red Sox handled all of this. Devers is a bad defender, but he’s also just 28 years old and he’s under contract for so very long. That’s awfully young to push a player off the only position he’s ever known and turn him into a DH, especially when he’s still one of the most valuable third basemen in the game. And why tell him to put away his glove? Wouldn’t he be the natural backup at third? Why not float the possibility of having him learn first base during spring training? Would giving him an opportunity to play defense some of the time — even at a new position — have made the move to DH more palatable? Had the team never considered the possibility that Casas might get hurt and miss time – you know, like he did in each of the last two seasons? What would the Red Sox have done if Bregman had been the one to get hurt? What were they planning to do if Bregman had a monster season (as is currently the case) and opted out of his contract this offseason? Would they have awkwardly asked Devers to return to third base less than a year after telling him he couldn’t hack it? Some of these questions must have reasonable answers, but it seems like some might not have been considered thoroughly.
Even now, with Masataka Yoshida still experiencing issues after shoulder surgery, it’s not like there’s a pressing reason for Devers to be at first base. The team has understandably expressed reluctance to move Roman Anthony to first base or DH. At least until Yoshida returns, it’s not like playing Devers at first base would open the door for a big bat to enter the lineup.
Still, the communication issues are much more concerning. There are, no doubt, players who would have taken all of this in stride, who wouldn’t have aired their grievances with reporters, who would have volunteered to take on a new position. In fact, Alex Speier of the Boston Globe published a whole list of players who switched positions to help their team. That’s not a good look for Devers. But it’s hard to fault him for being upset that the team went back on its word. And if you fault a player for telling the truth to the public, you should take at least as much issue with the organization that misled both him and the public. After 12 years, the team must have known Devers well enough to expect him to take this personally. And after the dustup in February, taking essentially the same tack – deny it publicly, then spring a complete reversal on him privately – borders on absurdity. Imagine being Devers. You’re the face of the franchise, you’re continually reassured that your position is safe, and then, late in spring training, you’re told that none of it was actually true, that you’ll no longer get to play in the field, ever again. Then, two months later, when it’s expedient, you’re told that also wasn’t true.
Either the Red Sox didn’t see any of this coming, or they did see it coming and just didn’t think it was important enough to find a more sensitive way to handle the situation. Both possibilities are absolutely perplexing. “These things tend to have a way of working themselves out” may be true, but it’s not a great organizational philosophy. Baseball is a business, but surely someone in the organization should know that it’s a bad idea to alienate a player in whom so much of the team’s future is entrusted.
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I appreciate this article. It had seemed to me that Devers’ was being childish and petulant, with somewhat apt comparisons being made to Derek Bell’s infamous and absurd “Operation Shutdown.” After reading this it seems more like a team being completely disrespectful to its best player, and the petulance seems relatively appropriate to how he’s been treated.
Having the context of the last 6 months is really key to understanding the broken relationship between Devers and the Sox. This article does a great job of laying it all out.
The media narrative has certainly lacked balance, which is typical for these types of situations. Unless you’re a media darling like Derek Jeter, in which case your refusal to change positions for the betterment of the team is treated as somehow furthering your “teammate” bonafides.
In many cases, the reluctance to change positions may relate to concerns about future market. It makes sense for a player to want to be considered as capable of manning a position with more value. I don’t think that’s the case for Devers, who must know that he won’t be a third baseman when his contract expires. I think he may genuinely just not want to be yanked around. Looking at the whole situation at once definitely makes me feel that Devers doesn’t deserve all the scorn he’s getting.
The Red Sox are handling this so poorly I’m surprised they haven’t just yelled “that’s what the money is for!” at him.
People constantly use that phrase in the wrong context but this is absolutely the context where “that’s what the money is for” is used in the “correct” way.
(Except the Red Sox / other managers shouldn’t actually do that, it’s not going to help things, because obviously)
Yes. A lot of people don’t realize that scene was showing that Don is a terrible boss.
Joe Posnanski used that exact line in his analysis (and he’s on Devers’ side).
Whatever, dude. If you have a $300m+ guaranteed contract, you need to ride a unicycle in the outfield if they ask you to
Recognizing that some Boston media love to lick management boots and some of the stuff aimed at devers is borderline racist, he still needs to stfu and put on a mitt
No, you don’t. That’s not the way it works, actually.
Speaking of money…. the other Sox are a multi billion dollar business and they should be expected to act professionally as well.
I loatheeeeeee billionaire owners. And look, they shouldn’t have promised him he wouldn’t play first base if that’s what happened. But there’s nothing unprofessional about asking, or even demanding, a player to play a different position.
It is unprofessional to say “no, I’m not going to do that.” It would be fine for Raffy to express his discontent with doing that, but to flat out refuse is nonsense.
“But there’s nothing unprofessional about asking, or even demanding, a player to play a different position.”
I think there is when you’ve repeatedly said that you’re not going to do that in the media. And that Bregman is definitely going to play 2B (Currently 0 innings played there).
I think Devers comes across as quite stubborn – but what Cora and Breslow have said in the media comes across as quite antagonistic.
Dave Roberts isn’t perfect (and his faults have been discussed on fangraphs many a time), but I think the number 1 reason he is going to get inducted into the HoF is that he is very good avoiding situations like this.
100%; as far a I can tell, here’s how a manager makes their biggest impact: keeping the clubhouse happy and as productive as possible by managing myriad, preternatural personalities into a team >>>>>> bullpen management >>>>>> platooning >>>> lineup >>>>>> talk radio appearances
Managers can lose their team games a whole lot more than they can win them. And the number one thing they can do to lose games is to mess with the players heads.
I don’t think Cora is anywhere near this level, but Matt Williams was always the poster child for me for this. The 2015 Nationals were a disgrace and a lot of it was his fault.
There’s absolutely something unprofessional about repeatedly lying to a player and to the publicly, then reversing course, then publicly calling the player a bad teammate for being upset that you’ve repeatedly lied to him.
The fact that this has happened twice in a single offseason is damning from a leadership perspective.
Sir, do you know what the meaning of lying is? It’s saying something knowing it’s untrue. The Red Sox had every intention of him being the DH. They had no idea Casas would get hurt. That’s not lying. That’s pivoting.
Asking him to move is professional, the way they handled it is more unprofessional than anything Devers did.
If someone is truly just asking, then the other person has the right to refuse.
Moronic take.
Devers is paid his market value just like everyone else. I’m sure you wouldn’t like it if your employer lied to you and jerked you around every few months creating a whole new set of expectations for your job. Someone else would happily pay him and not jerk him around. The Redsox leadership is hot garbage right now.
Gtfo. It’s not that he doesn’t like it. It’s that he’s refusing to do it. He can not like it all he wants
Sorry for being a pedant, but since when is “everyone” in baseball paid market value? Last I checked, most players who are contributing to their teams are paid far less than their market value.
im not sure this makes sense? unless you are saying that there is not an authentic market there/
The Red Sox didn’t lie. They pivoted.
Don’t let this article change your mind about Devers being a bit petulant, though. Yes, the Red Sox handled this very badly. On Devers’ side, though: refusing to change positions isn’t great, making a private conversation public is pretty bad, and then implying your GM is doing this because he has a problem with you and telling said GM to “do his job” is terrible.
A private conversation like “We felt like it was important, based on the situation that unfolded yesterday, to come out here and have an honest conversation about what we value as an organization and what we believe is important to the Boston Red Sox and that is being great teammates for each other,” haha?
Just a hilarious failure of communication and leadership, which has been a consistent theme throughout the Kennedy/Cora era.
This was after Devers came out and said Breslow had a problem with him and should learn to do his job. It was appropriate for the team to let the media know that their side of the story to a degree.
Truth is an absolute defense.
Agreed. Sox mishandled it, but Devers is also mishandling it. The only correct public response by Devers should be “I’ll do whatever is best for the team.” For goodness sake, kids learn this at age 8 in youth sports. His people are letting him down if they are not impressing upon him that he he needs to stop this if he does not want to be villainized.
Devers doesn’t care about being villainized. He has a massive contract and he wants to play third base. After the team repeatedly lied to him, he has no reason whatsoever to accommodate them.
You’re acting like the Red Sox are making a normal request, when in reality, asking a player to learn a position they have never played before in their entire career during the season is incredibly rare. If the player wants to do that, fantastic, but it is not something to which a player would normally acquiesce, and especially not after multiple media appearances by the team stating that the player would not be asked to do so.
The entire Henry-Cora meeting did not need to be made public. There are actual ways to do that that don’t involve it being a headline in every baseball publication.
But also: Boston Media Sucks.
There is nothing simple about that market, and that media has actively played large roles in so many of these communication problems over the years. If I were in mgmt in Boston I would premise most of my relationships with players on a flat “Call me directly if you see something bad in the papers. They love drama more than they love any of us.”
I agree wholeheartedly. Legions of fans have been piling on in social media and saying horrible things about Devers because of how 1-sided this has been portrayed. His stance was largely characterized as a player being selfish and not “team-first,” etc.
My observations of Devers (who I have watched extensively in person since his debut), are that of a player who has consistently been a mild-mannered, somewhat reserved, respectable and likable contributor to the team’s success. Literally the last holdover from the 2018 championship squad, and the team’s best player since Mookie was traded.
He has asked for help at the trade deadline the last couple of seasons and received none. He’s been told who knows what amount of lies or conflicting plans about what his role will be going forward as the face of the franchise. I’m not sure most people quite understand that for Devers to speak up and push back on something, it must be pretty bad disfunction behind the scenes for him to do that. There are lots of nutty things that happened in the Fenway front office over the past 7 years that he hasn’t raised a stink about. That’s because he has generally done whatever was asked. He shows up the ballpark early. He does more cage work than just about anyone. He takes his craft so seriously, he talks to himself (and sometimes to his bat) in between pitches.
This whole situation reels of rampant miscommunication and lack of alignment between Breslow and Cora (a manager who Breslow did not pick, but inherited), and both intentionally misleading or not fully discussing with Raffy what the plans were for his role amid the Bregman signing. Raffy has a right to be disgruntled about this, and when looking at the whole picture, most of us would probably react the same way
No, no. You were right in the beginning. When an every day player goes down, and someone has the ability to fill in, especially the highest paid player, you step up for your team.
No. He can choose how much he values a promise, or whether he was offered an apology for breaking the promise.
That promise was given by another GM. This is a different regime. And sorry, when you’re the worst defensive third baseman statistically going back the last few years, you should just keep him there because of a “promise” someone else made? There’s something called self awareness, as well as accountability. Get real brother.
This is the key point:
There are a lot of cases where people will throw up defenses of a team’s decision-making process by saying “they made the best of a bad situation” by ignoring that team’s decision-making process got them into that mess in the first place.
The first time I put this together was when the Rays traded their non-guaranteed contract for Corey Dickerson to the Pirates for Daniel Hudson. Who they subsequently cut, eating the remainder of their salary (Dickerson went on to put up 3 wins for the Pirates). People said, “well, if Hudson wasn’t good enough to make the team, why keep him?” But that ignores that the Rays’ own actions put themselves in the position where they had to eat the money.
This is like that, but way bigger. I know that the Rays have a much smaller budget (which is only partly justified, IMO, the Rays could definitely spend a bit more) but the Red Sox somehow managed to butcher both the internal communications and (subsequently) the communications between themselves and Devers. There were so many opportunities for them to communicate better with Devers and they somehow managed to mess it up over and over again! It is not hard to imagine a world where Devers is playing first base right now but not after all of that.
Sure, all of what you said could be right or true, but if Devers does in fact simply refuse to even try 1B, then this turns into something much worse… and the bad guy at that point should definitely be him, not BOS.
The mishandling of this by BOS (whether regarding communication or just a lack of respect for its star player) should definitely be part of the discussion. I just don’t think a blatant refusal by Devers is an appropriate reaction. Vocalized frustration to the media? Sure. Maybe some pouting? Ok, that’s fine. But just a complete refusal to come to any compromise with the team? That’s a bit much
I completely agree that there are things a player shouldn’t budge an inch on.. but taking reps at a different position to help the team because of an injury just isn’t it.
Sure, Devers has a ton of leverage here. He’s the star player with the huge bag of money. But his character would take a huge dump if he takes this to the next level. And honestly it should. We can talk about these billionaire owners and the awful greed… but how is Devers refusing to simply play a position not just as bad?
Because Devers isn’t any of the people who have demonstrated a relentless lack of good faith and, when it comes down to it, operational competence?
Alex Cora’s record is 351-339 in the 4+ seasons he’s managed without cheating.
I think there’s a pretty strong argument that Devers learning to play first in games that count would hurt the team. It’s a pretty easy position to get injured at, and being substandard on scoops can lead to a lot of missed outs. If he refuses to try in Spring Training, I think there’s a point to him not being a ‘team player.’ For now, I’ll give the benefit of the doubt, even though he’s giving the appearance of petulance.
You don’t think it’s appropriate for a player who was repeatedly told that he wouldn’t be asked to do something to refuse something he has never done during his entire professional career? You would have a point if Devers had previously been a first baseman and just didn’t want to go back to it, but that isn’t the case.
Learning a brand new position at the major league level is an incredibly daunting ask; one that has the potential to not only embarrass him but could plausibly result in a significant injury. It is not normal for players to learn a brand new position during a major league season.
I mean obviously he wouldn’t immediately play 1B in a game. He’s currently DHing with no defensive position – how much trouble would it be for him to take some warm-up reps at 1B before games?
And no, I don’t think it’s appropiate for Devers to blantantly refuse to even try to help with what the team is apparently wanting to do. I don’t understand why this is being blown up into such a horrific mistreatment by BOS. As I believe 99% of us agree, BOS obviously handled this poorly. Handling something poorly is bad. But the solution shouldn’t be another bad thing happening, which would be Devers & BOS going into some war about playing a position. It’s selfish, especially coming from a player who no longer NEEDS to prove his value to remain employed or earn a bigger salary. Yes, Devers has the leverage in this situation. But he could also be an unselfish star player and do what the team thinks is best to win games. Maybe you think it won’t win games… but evidently BOS thinks him at 1B does
That can be true and ALSO be true that BOS could’ve handled this better.
“You don’t know how to play first base. It’s not that hard, Scott. Tell ’em Wash.“
“It’s incredibly hard.”
It has blown up because Boston repeatedly lied about their intentions, both to Devers and to the media.
Please tell me the last 4+ WAR player who changed to a position they had never played before professionally during a season.
I mean … the example many folks will point to is Schwarber … in 2021 … for the BoSox … but his most valuable season before then by bWAR was 3.5 so by your arbitrary line, he does not count.
I personally dislike this comparison for other reasons, but it is a comparison being made near daily.
That’s a fair example, although Schwarber technically had one appearance at first base before the trade and he was a ~2 fWAR player rather than a 4+ fWAR player. The reason I asked about 4+ WAR players is because they have established themselves as stars, not just league average. It’s an unusual thing to ask of any player, but I genuinely can’t think of one other time a team has asked a star to play a brand new position during a season.
Bryce Harper seems like an easy and recent answer to a player switching to a position they never played professionally. He went straight from Catcher to Outfield, and had never played 1st prior to changing positions (though it was both for his health and their need of a 1b after Rhys Hoskins ACL injury)
That’s a good example, but it should be noted that moving to first was Harper’s idea, not the team’s. Also, Harper started practicing first base on April 13, 2023. He didn’t actually appear there until July 21st, a full three months later.
I mean, it doesn’t really matter whose idea it was for him to switch positions – I don’t think that’s all that relevant here, other than to show which player is more concerned about the team. It’s essentially the same reason leading in to it, not to mention it’s less of a learning curve moving from 3b to 1b than it is OF to 1b (I mean, it’s the natural progression anyway for bad defensive 3b).
Devers should have volunteered to make the move. That’s what true team leaders do.
Its not as bad. Devers didn’t go back on any promise, and has done his job
Also, management suffers nothing for going back on its word, right? They can receive ALL the embarrassment here, for me.
Maybe even a shit-canning is in order? Go get a first baseman and don’t lie to your star player. Act like your word means something, and you know how to make things happen. The promise made should be factored into the decision-making. If not you are just someone that one can not trust, trash.
I agree. Hunab beings will fudge your plans if you don’t respect them and will want to help you when you do.
It’s funny, but this makes me think that pitchers may occasionally make poor “people-person” employees. Pitchers are a solving things on one’s own type of thinker, eh?
You can be a pitcher in the big leagues and not talk to the leftfielder all year, so no wonder you may think you can just move them around like pieces.
the lack of communication is truly baffling. the sox have committed a lot of time and money to devers, and while that shouldn’t necessarily give him final say over personnel decisions, you think they’d at least check in with him privately about matters like his openness to playing different positions. instead, he seems to find out the team’s intentions when someone’s pointing a microphone at his face and then gets hung out to dry to take the flak.
Or if they were thinking of asking him to switch positions, they should have done so before spring training to help him prepare for the season.
This is everything right here:
And why tell him to put away his glove? Wouldn’t he be the natural backup at third? Why not float the possibility of having him learn first base during spring training? Would giving him an opportunity to play defense some of the time — even at a new position — have made the move to DH more palatable? Had the team never considered the possibility that Casas might get hurt and miss time – you know, like he did in each of the last two seasons? What would the Red Sox have done if Bregman had been the one to get hurt? What were they planning to do if Bregman had a monster season (as is currently the case) and opted out of his contract this offseason? Would they have awkwardly asked Devers to return to third base less than a year after telling him he couldn’t hack it?
Because the author misrepresented what happened and the Red Sox didn’t actually tell him to “put away his glove.” That was a concession that Devers himself extracted in exchange for accepting the move to DH.
From the linked article: “It appeared as though Devers told the team he would make the move to DH, but he would not be returning to the field. That was part of the deal. If they wanted him to DH, he would only DH.”
This. Devers drew that line in the sand.
always two sides to every story. i can see why both sides are frustrated with each other. but i think davy hits nail on the head with thesis that the red sox unnecessarily ran mouth to give assurances to devers that they didn’t follow through on. thats bad business and disrespectful. even breslow pontificating about being a good teammate and says his definition is essentially opposite of how devers is handling it is dirty business. feels like this may end pooooorly
And yet Devers just keeps hitting and hitting. I don’t think this has to end poorly, but its up to Breslow to fix his end of the communication problems.
Nah, he gone. You don’t come back from this type of broken relationship. Devers is hitting his way onto a different team next season.
It’s just, it’s one thing if you’re talking about a player who is trying to make it in the league. Like, if you ask Roman Anthony to learn first base, I would understand if he was not happy because that moves him down the defensive spectrum thus decreasing his future earning potential and it gives him another task while he’s trying to figure out how to hit major league pitching. Devers is locked in forever with a giant deal. Shut up and play the easiest frigging position on the field you giant wanker
I feel like you can hold this position and also the position that “the Red Sox handled this extremely poorly” at the same time.
Yes you can, and I do
exactly! Both appear to be true
I would have gone the opposite direction – if you’re Roman Anthony, then deal with it, rook, it’s what you’ve gotta do to play in the big leagues. If you’re Raffy Devers, you’ve paid your dues, and if you don’t want to learn a position you’ve never played before mid-season, then you get some deference. Maybe I’m too stuck in hierarchical thinking when it comes to that, but my sense is that it matters a lot to big leaguers.
Also, the analytics crowd gets accused all the time of treating players like they are robots and it’s a stratomatic game, yet here’s a classic example of a team doing just that.
Oh yah, of course. And I’m sure there’s a lot of freedom of choice when it comes to players with more seniority, just like it is for pretty much all jobs.
But this appears to be a little more complex, given BOS isn’t doing this just for shits & giggles – the starting 1B is injured and the most viable way to maintain the batting lineup they’re wanting is by moving Devers there.
Now if there was a better option available in the org or in free agency (perhaps someone better than Anthony Rizzo), then sure I’m a lot more sympathetic to Devers. But from my understanding, the Red Sox don’t have a better option
The Red Sox absolutely had better options:
Communicate with Devers before the Bregman signing, rather than saying both publicly and privately that he’ll be staying at 3B.
Communicate with Devers between the Bregman signing and ST, rather than saying both publicly and privately that he’ll be staying at 3B.
Tell Devers he’ll be needed at the corners if either Bregman or Casas go down, rather than saying “Put your glove away.”
Communicate with Devers after Casas goes down, rather than saying both publicly and privately that he’ll be staying at DH.
Highly-paid veteran leaders have a bit of a responsibility to model appropriate behavior, which in this case would be for Devers to say simply and plainly “I’ll play where ever they want me to to help the team.” Sox management being ham-fisted in this doe not absolve Devers from displaying behavior that my son learned at age 8 in his youth soccer league.
How many highly-paid veteran leaders started playing a brand new position during a season?
Also, highly paid veteran leaders have a responsibility to younger players to let them know that what Breslow and Cora have been pulling isn’t normal.
Oh, the horror of it !!!!! Devers would be put in eternal anguish if he tried playing 1b without having played it before!
(Being facetious; he would probably suck defensively at it but make some progress through the year as he got time to learn the job…)
Have you ever held a job?
Literally, my job changed to add new responsibilities about 4 months ago. We were combined with a since eliminated department and we absorbed their duties. I can be happy or not about it, but if I said “I’m not gonna do this,” then my boss would be well within their rights to shitcan me
Have you ever been as good at anything as Rafael Devers is at playing baseball?
Moving the goalposts, I see…
Not reading the names, I see.
More to the point, completely changing someone’s role is usually accompanied by a buyout offer…and top performers don’t have to deal with the same bullshit that you and I do.
top performers with leverage don’t have to deal with the same bullshit that you and I do
You don’t have a guaranteed contract.
And the other Sox could actually try communicating effectively like grown ups. Stop licking their boots.
I’m a Yankees fan, I am not ever going to lick Sox management boots. But look, if Wells got hurt and the Yankees told Ben Rice to go grab the tools of ignorance again, he better get his butt behind the plate. It doesn’t matter if it’s a good idea or if it’s easy or if the player wants to do it.
I’d have more respect for everyone involved if Devers just demanded a trade and refused to play instead of saying “no, I’m only going to DH for you”
Ben Rice has already played C this season.
Sure, whatever. I’m just trying to come up with an example. The Yankees could tell Giancarlo to play SS and it’d be a stupid ass idea and he could complain all he wants, but if the day came that they wrote his name on the lineup card at SS, he’d better go stand in the dirt between 2nd and 3rd.
Ben Rice has caught consistently throughout his amateur and minor league career. Rafael Devers has 3 career innings at 2B and 1 inning at SS. cmon now.
Oh, I know – it’s just another example of his sweaty, under-researched nonsense he’s been spewing throughout this comment section.
That’s part of the issue. From what we’ve seen, they didn’t TELL Devers to do it. They only ASKED him. When someone asks a yes/no question, an answer of “no” is usually acceptable, or he/she wouldn’t be asking in the first place (or it was only a rhetorical question).
I have zero understanding of why Devers being several factors more petulant would be more respectable to you.
Boston should trade him but I highly question whether they’d find a taker.
What?? lol how is CC AFC licking their boots?
So the automatic punishment for BOS for not, according to you, communicating effectively like grown ups is to lose the potential production added by Devers playing 1B – assuming, as a result, it allows the team to insert another quality bat at DH, which is the entire point of said move (not to poo poo on Devers.. or purposely upset him).
I’m def pro-players when it comes to most topics, but wow that’s a pretty harsh stance on a team simply trying to resolve the absence of its starting 1B. Some people on here are acting as if BOS is pulling some legit shady shit on Devers. Lol the team is asking him to play a position! This is crazy.
and yes, BOS has handled this badly. Yes, yes & yes. I’m def not arguing that point. But to act as if that’s some irreversible, horrible act that essentially gurantees Devers is the “good guy” no matter what is just ridiculous.
Not the main takeaway, but Dan Shaughnessy continually lowers the bar for himself as one of the most narrow-minded, spiteful, attention-grabbing fools in sports media today. (That’s not even getting into his ‘Hall of Fame voting’ record)
Alex Cora is the Dan Shaughnessy of managers
Obviously anything can happen, but I feel like there’s no way Cora is coming back next year after this. His penchant for openly contradicting his bosses in public has to be wearing thin. It’s like he’s congenitally incapable of using boilerplate managerial phrases like “Those discussions will remain internal” or “We’re keeping our options open”. Situations like this are why boilerplate managerial phrases were invented!
I’ll believe it when I see it. Cora is somehow bulletproof with this ownership. He survived two sign-stealing scandals, two GM firings, and multiple last place finishes. And then? A three-year extension.
He never learned the cliches from Crash Davis.
Let’s not leave out the other Boston media superstars who have delightedly whipped up this bullshit sauce.
The lineup piece is the most confusing part to me (maybe second most, after the Red Sox consistently failure to communicate or seem aligned for the last 3 months).
We know the DH penalty tends to be real. We know that it seems less severe for full time designated hitters. We know Devers has been the DH all year, which presumably helps mitigate that DH effect.
What is the problem being solved here? How is the lineup being improved by moving Devers to 1st? The Red Sox seemed to feel pretty strongly a few months ago that he’s not a good defender. So what is the value add here?
Is the entire goal to speed up Yoshida’s return by a couple of weeks as a DH? That doesn’t seem to be worth messing with a guy’s process when you asked him to learn a new way to play. Especially when they presumably will want Yoshida back in the field eventually.
My take is that it frees up a lineup spot (DH) that can be filled by a non-1B hitter, probably one of their many OF options, including Roman Anthony. Given that Devers has actually played a corner infield spot, he seems like the most natural one to learn 1B quickly and competently – but that’s from an outsider view. Maybe Anthony or Abreu or even Yoshida would be better there, but I don’t know.
Eventually fitting Yoshida into the lineup at DH when he’s healthy then becomes easier when Devers can play the field.
I think the value added is to bring up Anthony and give him a shot in the outfield. Having Raffy at 1B makes that easier IMO. Rafaela can play short, move Story to DH? Then if Story continues to struggle at the plate you can bring up Mayer and you have plenty of positional flexibility.
I suppose moving Story to 1B (he’s 6’2″ and his arm is less than ideal) could work in the short term but I can’t see how you get both Anthony and Mayer in the lineup without getting Raffy on the field somewhere.
1B right now is just a mish mosh of castoffs and utility guys. An upgrade to that spot in the lineup seems like a positive move for the team.
I feel like I’d rather try Story at 1B and keep Devers at DH than have Story at DH, if those are the two options. Why have Devers reacclimate to playing the field AND have him learn a new position AND have Story acclimate to DHing, when you can just have Story, the better defensive player, learn the new position instead?
Wait, Rafaela to short and lose his amazing defense in CF? Story to DH where you most of his value? Why not just let the OFs get the occasional day at DH?
Wait, what? Ceddanne Rafaela is an absolutely horrible shortstop.
There might be a sunk cost fallacy going on here, and it’s making them look for a too clever-by-half solution. There’s no place for Yoshida on this team unless it’s at DH, but he’s realistically a platoon-only guy. And Devers is way better, Yoshida’s line against right handers isn’t far off of Devers’ career line against left-handers.
Normally that means you would trade him. But the problem is he’s coming off an injury so he has almost no trade value even if he was being paid the league minimum. And cutting him means eating something like $55M. I feel like you could get pretty far by trading him to a team if you offered to pay down his contract more if he plays less. Like, pay down 10% of his remaining contract if he has 400 PAs, but 50% if he only has 200 PAs. and 75% if he never gets back on the field. Or something like that. But that might not even be legal under the trade rules.
You could also (or in addition) trade him for someone who is going to get DFA’d to help offset the cost, like Lamonte Wade or Josh Bell or Ryan Mountcastle (they should go after Mountcastle even if they can’t get rid of any of Yoshida’s salary).
I really think there is a solution here that involves Yoshida no longer being on the Red Sox.
I really like Yoshida but I can’t imagine anyone paying 90% of his contract even if they were guaranteed 400+ PA. You describe him as a platoon-only DH, which means that unloading him, even if healthy, is going to require you to eat more than half of his contract.
Yoshida is a crappy OF and given his shoulder issues and the depth BOS has in the OF won’t likely be playing OF anytime soon if ever again for Boston. He should be the full-time DH with Devers at 1b the rest of this season.
Hi Milton, what’s happening. I’m going to need you to move your office down to storage room B…
Milton wasn’t getting paid 8 figures
Milton didn’t burn it down because of low pay…dude just wanted his stapler like he said from the beginning…
Sure, but you’re also not relying on Milton to be a key part of your Major League Baseball team’s offence.
It seems to me that the Red Sox front office have gone out of their way to make short term promises to Devers (like assurances that he’ll play third when he signed the extension), and not really think through if they’re going to be able to keep their promise. Maybe Devers didn’t care that much, but the Red Sox insisted that he’d being their 3B – or maybe Devers threatened to not sign the extension unless they assured him he’d play long term at third base, I don’t know. It comes across as a bit weak – they’re saying anything at the moment to avoid conflict, just kicking the can down the road leading to an entirely predictable bigger conflict later on.
Yeah, they probably should have chilled on the whole “put away your glove,” thing. Shit happens! and it turned out it happened. Dude doesn’t have to be Mookie Betts, but it was more than reasonable to think he would be called upon to play first base at some point. The Sox went too far out on a limb and devers is being a big baby
Yes this. Everybody looks bad because everybody screwed up! I expect every Red Sox employee to soon receive a memo titled “You know don’t always have to answer the questions that reporters ask you, right?”
Cora might not be a good leader of men, but he has averaged 82 wins/162 since being caught cheating!
Gotta give him the benefit of the doubt, here!
Why tho?
Because I support another AL East team and want the chaos to continue.
I feel for Raf but he looks horrible in this situation and many of his teammates think he is a selfish jerk. Management = bad & labor = bad. Damn shame.
I agree – that this has managed to turn in to a car crash doesn’t look good for anyone.
However, Devers is holding his end of the bargain up – 146wRC+, .385wOBA (with a .415xwOBA), and 1.2fWAR. He’s not the one employed because of the quality of his people skills. This is what the management are meant to be doing – this is why they get paid millions of dollars per year. The face of your franchise, on a long term deal, is “hard-headed”, and you need him to change positions? Well, you need to come up with a way to do that, without it making the national press.
Red Sox – famously undramatic franchise with the local media
I have not heard any teammates speak poorly of Devers. Yesterday Giolito said ‘I’m glad he’s on my team.’ This is a beef between Devers and Breslow.
I think there might have been some off-the-record comments from team mates. Which is understandable – if you’re earning league minimum, and seeing the guy who is set for life not wanting to change positions, you’re probably quite annoyed at that.
Which is why you don’t want it to get to anywhere near this point. It isn’t good for anyone connected to the Red Sox.
I do bet that Netflix are cursing their luck that they didn’t do the fly on the wall documentary this season.
You think? Do you know that his teammates are unhappy with him?
All I’ve heard from this story has been this article and what was said on Effectively Wild – I think it was the first episode last week when Ben and other Ben were discussing this, and it was mentioned in there.
It does strike me as feeling true – all work places have their office politics and I can certainly imagine other players being pissed at Devers, but not wanting to go on the record. I can also imagine a less that scrupulous journalist making up unsourced shit for clicks.
Just speculating here, but I think Devers teammates might be happier if he stays at DH. Otherwise it will be one of them at DH, and does anyone really want to move from the field to DH?
Here’s what I want to know:
Why didn’t the Red Sox just move him to first base, and move Casas to DH? Devers is not a long-term third baseman anyway, and Casas is pretty bad defensively at first base. Would have been the easiest solution, right?
My theory is that this whole thing is because the Red Sox are committed to pushing guys up the defensive spectrum as far as possible in the infield (see: Cedanne Rafaela, Rafael Devers, Triston Casas). This aligns with the constant “Raffy is our third baseman” stuff coming out management too, organizationally they haven’t prioritized infield defense so they might have actually believed it up until a point. But even after they made the decision to make the switch, they figured that if Bregman opted out (which now looks like a pretty good bet) they would want to move Devers back to third later. And because Devers was resisting moving off of third, they didn’t want to have him learn a new position, only to annoy him by switching him back later.
There’s hole in this theory, but a lot fewer than the others. The other main contender I can think of is that they were worried about Devers fixing his swing after the shoulder issues, and having him learn a new position would have been too much. But if “it’s incredibly hard” to learn first base (thanks Wash) while also focusing on other things then what makes them think he can just jump into it mid-season? And there, I think the answer is again that they just don’t think infield defense is that important, and that they were worried more that he wouldn’t fix his swing as quickly if he was learning a new position.
I don’t know where the Red Sox go from here but aside from the apparent communication breakdown between Cora and Breslow / Red Sox and Devers, they should also more clearly think through the consequences of switching players to play new positions?
I have been wondering this too, and I figured that’s what would happen if they moved him off third (or *when* they moved him off third, since it’s been inevitable for a while now)
I was also surprised they didn’t just commit to moving him off third at the beginning of the offseason with Mayer knocking on the door also who could play 3B himself or shift someone else there. Instead I think Devers was blindsided by the timing of it as much as anything
There’s significant blame on both sides in this. We don’t know everything that transpired behind closed doors, but it’s obvious the Red Sox FO bungled the communication in this spectacularly. Devers had also regressed significantly as a defender and athlete and hasn’t shown much of a desire to correct either issue.
I think they believe Mayer is the shortstop of the future and maybe present, especially since Story has been injured basically since he showed up in Boston.
I am guessing they think Mayer’s bat might not play so well at third. Not compared to Devers, at least.
Not like Mayer is a model of durability, but maybe he and Story can be injured at different times? At least some of the time?
Understandable, and Story’s injury issues probably prevented him from playing 3B too.
I am still surprised that given Devers’ defensive decline, some solid internal IF depth and several good external options (one of whom is now their 3B) that their default stance heading into this past winter wasn’t just “we are moving him off 3B no matter what”. Retrospect is 20/20 but this glut of guys at the bottom of the defensive spectrum (Devers/Yoshida/Casas) was pre existing
Even simpler, why didn’t they just have Devers and Casas split DH and 1B? You didn’t need to make one or the other a DH only. Keep ’em both fresh and capable
That was certainly baffling. Casas is slow, has poor range, and will just occasionally drop throws for some reason. There’s a decent chance that Devers, who can sort of fake 3B, is a better 1B than him.
Alex Speier is a smart guy and all but at the end of the day he works for John Henry so publishing a list of players who made position switches “to help their team” reeks of ownership bias
It does? Seems like a pretty pertinent thing to do and plenty of other publications not owned by John Henry did the same thing
Irrelevant.
The difference is that if you’re John Henry you control whether or not you publish garbage that’ll piss off your top paid employee. You can choose to avoid that circus.
Move Story to 1st…call up Mayer. But I think Devers would be an adequate first baseman. His issues are going to his left, and his throwing. His glove was less of a problem, and receiving throws for an infielder by trade is not a big deal. Raffy would be an upgrade over Casas….so many of Devers issues at 3rd were often related to playing in the shift and not being anchored by a quality SS on his left shoulder.
I know Theo is back with the other Sox, does he have any baseball responsibilities? After watching be so good with the media in Chicago, I’m surprised he didn’t at least advise Breslow in the background to make sure what happened in spring trading didn’t happen again.
A reasonably professional person shouldn’t need to be reminded of this after fumbling it once already.
I’m not sure we can necessarily trust Raffy’s narrative that the team said “Raffy put your glove away you’re never playing the field again.” Rather, I suspect it was more along the lines of “you have shoulder issues right now, Bregman is a good 3B, and we need space for Campbell so put 100% of your focus on being DH right now and we’ll see what happens next.” Should they have had him play some 3B and 1B in Spring Training? Probably, but he had the aforementioned shoulder issues and there was drama so they likely made the decision to simplify things for him and let him focus on DH.
What happened next was Casas’ injury and Breslow then had an exploratory conversation with Raffy about 1B. Raffy took umbrage, jumped to conclusions, and aired dirty laundry. From Breslow’s comments it’s pretty clear the team didn’t expect him to immediately take the field at 1B but that’s how Devers chose to characterize it:
“These aren’t the types of moves that can be made overnight,” Breslow said. “The initial conversation Raffy and I had was of an exploratory nature.
“Right now, we’re just talking about a possible change of a position,” Cora said. “This is where we’re at right now. We lost our first baseman. We’re exploring every way to improve.
Well, since the team has already flip-flopped all over the place, I’m not sure what good a denial of this would be. Their behavior has been strange, so while I agree that it seems weird that they would have been so drastic, it seems plausible considering everything else.
Yeah, Red Sox management’s credibility on this is shot.
It’s funny because I always assumed that the Red Sox said something like:
And that Breslow was trying to gauge Devers’ interest in moving to first rather than telling him he should, etc.
But when you spend all offseason saying you aren’t going to move Devers and then you move Devers almost instantly, how would you interpret subsequent denials?
And even if they thought it would be credible, why would they bother trying to defend themselves in the press? They’re trying to put out the fire with Devers, not rile it up, and insinuating that he didn’t give the full picture is not going to help that. At this point they should just say “clearly we have had some communication breakdowns, and we’re going to work on that” and try and let this story die. And I think that’s what they’re trying to do, even if it’s not working out.
I think it’s possible Devers has been reaaaaally shitty to deal with and the team finally felt it was time, in this situation, to defend themselves a little bit against his slander. Hence Henry coming out and hence Breslow feeling really comfortable setting the record straight to some degree (while still saying, we need to work on our communication). It was the second time Devers had stepped over the line with the media and they clearly felt the need to give him a slap on the wrist
That is totally unjustifiable speculation, but even if we grant your premise: Devers has been with the franchise for over a decade, if you hand someone $300 million dollars who you know to be “reaaaally shitty to deal with” then that’s on you.
Yeah, like this was a situation of Devers’ creation…
Intentionally contradicting your star player in the media to give him “a slap on the wrist” sounds like a really dumb way to handle a personnel issue. You’re essentially proving the point that you’re bad at communication by…being even worse at communication. Who cares about what the media thinks if you’ve resolved the issue internally?
If my boss has an issue with my behavior in the workplace, he addresses it with me directly. That way I know it’s not personal, it’s just not a good way of working.
You don’t know that they flip-flopped in their internal discussions with Devers. And I don’t really care how Breslow or Cora talked to the media about the 3B situation before the Bregman deal was finalized or before it was clear that Campbell was ready to make the MLB roster. Situations change and I know to take media speak with a grain of salt.
You’re free to provide as much grace as you’d like to the team, but even just looking at what the manager was saying just a few days ago, so after the Bregman deal, it seems like the idea was for Devers to be the DH. Cora flatly said that, which lends credibility to Devers’ claim.
Now, did they say that to him to try to smooth any animosity created by the position switch? That makes sense. Like: “Yes we are moving you to DH but we understand this is a tough situation, so to be clear this is it and there won’t be anything else to it.”
I think after the off-season moving to DH flare up, it seemed quite obvious that Devers takes things said by the team to the media at face value. So if you’re saying “he’s our DH now”, that’s what he’s going to expect.
It just seems like very poor man management to then basically repeat the same mistakes and poor communication – only this time during the season.
Yeah but then Casas got injured. The Dodgers said that Mookie was the SS and the leadoff hitter last year, he got injured, and then they moved him to the 2 slot and RF once he got back. Things change.
I think it was Betts who was the instigator both times on the move to SS and the return to RF. But even if he wasn’t, I can’t imagine Dave Roberts and the Dodgers FO managing to mess up so badly that Betts is spouting off in public about it.
This is what I find so baffling about the whole situation – Devers isn’t good at third, he was obviously going to have to move to 1B/DH at some point. So the fact that the Red Sox management can’t manage to smoothly communicate this fact to Devers – which is quite obvious to us fangraphs readers – doesn’t say bode well.
I know that getting this communication correct isn’t always easy – like when the Angels a few years ago announced that Trout wasn’t playing CF anymore, and they quickly backtracked. But if I’m the Red Sox management, I wouldn’t be reassured by “oh, see, it’s ok, the Angels pissed off their star player too!”
Yeah, the odd thing is that Devers has been with this organization for a super long time. The Sox seem completely blindsided by how he is handling this situation, you’d think they would have had some understanding of how he may react. You made him the franchise cornerstone and you didn’t understand how important his position was to him? Seems fishy.
Devers’ narrative may be in some ways self-serving, yet you’re conveniently ignoring all the team-supplied criticism published by Shaughnessy, Speier, Buckley, et. al.
Beautiful synopsis. This rings true to me. The Red Sox management has been treating Devers with kid gloves because of his large ego and the injury to both shoulders (as well as the alternatives) comes into play as they consider whether he should play 3B, 1B, and or DH. Lots of moving parts here . . .
Or they are taking part in the old tradition where management tries to deflect blame from their own shortcomings by criticizing their best player.
Found the Shaughnessy burner account!
It appears that nobody actually read the linked article about that claim, because it actually says the exact opposite of what the author of this piece asserts – that Devers himself extracted the concession of no longer playing the field whatsoever in exchange for accepting the move to DH.
“It appeared as though Devers told the team he would make the move to DH, but he would not be returning to the field. That was part of the deal. If they wanted him to DH, he would only DH.”
Which makes sense, because the idea that the Red Sox would purposefully make themselves less flexible and responsive to events such as Casas’s injury was completely baffling to me, and is why I clicked through and looked for evidence to confirm it in the first place.
Ok, and in that case, if we take “that was part of the deal”, it seems to suggest that the Red Sox and Devers both agreed that he would not come back to the field.
If the Red Sox agreed to that stipulation, then they have indeed gone back on their word.
Devers is the one who said he was putting his glove away for good if he was moving to DH.
Realistically I think Raffy or Story would be solid to good at 1st base. Story moreso, but that would also be a pretty big failure with his contract. The whole situation just seems so weird, and while I understand why Devers is mad,he sort of has to suck it up and play 1st base. Being able to get another hitter in the field I think would be a big win.
Reminds me of that old Norm bit. “Now this might strike you as harsh, but “
I’m inclined to side with players in most situations, but players refusing to change positions has always rubbed me the wrong way. I absolutely agree that the Red Sox could have handled this better. For starters, why would you assure a guy who is very poor at his position that he would remain at that position indefinitely? Seems like a caveat would be merited there, at the very least. But what I think is missing from the analysis in this article is that we don’t actually have any idea how the conversations with Devers about changing his position really went.
In both cases the situation became public because Devers was talking to reporters. It’s entirely possible that Breslow was perfectly professional and respectful in his communication both times, and possibly even catered to Devers in the second conversation after the first turned sour. All we know is that Devers didn’t like it, and for all we know he might be completely unreasonable about it in closed door conversations. Given how Devers has responded, it seems like a rational explanation for why they were so clear cut with all of their public communication was out of deference to him.
For me these situations always boil down to baseball players playing baseball. His job is to help the team win a championship. That should mean being willing to play any position that gives the team a better chance to accomplish that goal. If he really wants to be surrounded with other good players why didn’t he go to Breslow when he heard about their interest in Bregman? Why didn’t he go to Cora after Casas got hurt and offer to give 1b a try?
Even if you accept that the Red Sox have completely botched this as an organization that doesn’t mean that Devers hasn’t also completely botched this.
Do you have a job? Would you change responsibilities just because they told you to?
But you’re incorrectly implying that Devers’ employer is asking him to change responsibilities “just because”
Also… even though they honestly could, BOS isn’t “telling” Devers to change positions. They’ve asked.
But put aside all of that, I guess it depends on what my boss is asking or telling me to do. If my new responsibilities are very much in line with my prior responsibilities, not negatively impacting my salary and would be helping the company (team) improve or thrive, than yeah I would probably do it, especially if there’s a likely chance it’s only because of dire circumstances and/or temporary
Devers is a baseball player being asked to… play baseball, just at a different position defensively. I completely agree he should be frustrated with how this has gone done. Don’t blame him at all – BOS has shit the bed with its handling of this. But that fact doesn’t (or shouldn’t) equal him simply refusing
Would you feel the same if your boss had headhunted a person to do your role, and shifted you so you had less responsibility (but you’re still on the same salary)? After assuring you that you were going to keep your original role. And now they’re asking you to pick up a new responsibility – which while everyone thinks is easier than what you were doing before, it is new to you?
I am playing devil’s advocate – because I do agree with your comment. But I do think it would be human to complain about being jerked around.
This is why I do view this as an avoidable mess – that Devers might be a stubborn guy, but it Cora and Breslow’s job to get the best Red Sox team on the field, with players buying into their role. And knowing what the Boston media is like, surely they want to avoid a media shitstorm as much as possible? It just seems non-optimally handled.
Depends on how much of a change, how it was presented, etc.
On my way to work this morning my boss asked me to go to a different building than the one I usually work at, which meant doubling my commute. I said yes because I understood that our team would be better situated for success based off of our conversation.
Not everyone has the luxury of being flexible, and the suggestion that giving in to employer demands makes you a better employee has the distinct taste of boot leather.
By implying that my response to a direct question about my employment and how I would respond to a given situation can be extrapolated onto anyone else you are making a strawman argument.
However, referring to my boss’ request as a demand and implying that I’m a bootlicker for agreeing to it actually does a great job of illustrating my original point. You used a mischaracterization to develop an opinion about me based on the little information that is available to you about my situation when additional context might have led to you coming to a different conclusion. It’s bad process.
Absolutely.
I agree with this take. There’s plenty of blame to go around for both sides. The Sox handled this poorly and communication was terrible. However, if you have a player that is willing to do whatever it takes to help the team win, this is all for not and would never even be an issue. Even though I don’t agree with it, I could more understand his reluctance to move to DH but pretty sure he’s just refusing to play 1B at this point out of spite.
This is the most reasonable take
What has the Red Sox organization done under Sam Kennedy that makes you inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt on literally anything related to player relations?
I’m just pointing out that we don’t know how any of the private conversations went or why they chose to handle Devers the way that they did. Without that information it is inappropriate to lay ALL of the blame on them. The most likely reality is that everyone involved deserves some blame.
In the 8 seasons he’s been a Red Sox before this offseason, Raffy has been nothing but a good soldier.
In the 8 years Sam Kennedy’s been Red Sox CEO, the team has treated their star players with a consistent pattern of disrespect and, frankly, entitlement.
Ignoring these data to “both sides” things is absurd on its face.
Is your position that Devers handled this conflict perfectly?
No.
My position is that Red Sox leadership has a lengthy track record of being unprofessional jackasses whose word is dogshit…and a lengthier track record of using the press to trash anyone who pushes back on their disrespectful behavior, whether publicly or privately.
Like, are we forgetting why Craig Breslow’s the GM of this clown show?
Ok, so we’re in agreement then that both sides could have gone about this a better way. You’re clearly more suspicious of the Red Sox than I am, and you very well may be right about that. The degree to which you’re suspicious of them strikes me as similar to the degree to which I’m suspicious of baseball players refusing to play other positions that are within their skillset. I don’t think that we necessarily need to agree on those concepts to understand each other.
Having reread my initial post while writing this reply I totally get that it comes across like I’m being deferential to the Red Sox. I should have spent a little more time making it less about them, because this situation shouldn’t be about whether or not they deserve the benefit of the doubt. It’s obvious that the they mishandled this given that Devers has complained in the media about this twice. You don’t need to go back further than that to be able to assign them blame. So I want to be clear that I do believe they’ve got problems they need to fix. But since Devers does have some responsibility in the situation as well then it would benefit everyone to acknowledge that having the context of how the conversations were handled would be incredibly useful in having a well-formed opinion. Because if we don’t at least acknowledge that Devers view of how they approached this is going to inherently favor him over the team then we’d end up just letting him off the hook for things he’s getting wrong here, too.
Appreciate this article Davy!
I found the contrast between these two passages interesting:
In both cases, this story is reporting something second hand. In the first, it reports Devers’ account as fact. In the second, Breslow’s account of the meeting is attributed to Breslow. It really should be consistent.
Breslow is being used to shield Henry from what was said in the meeting.
What do you mean?
There’s no doubt Devers has every right to be frustrated. That can certainly be true, while also being true that he should be expected to do whatever helps the team win. He’s already signed his big contract for $300+ million, essentially making him a Red Sock for life (unless traded obviously). Devers’ #1 priority should be doing what it takes to win a World Series, even if that means swallowing his pride and doing something he obviously doesn’t really want to do (and I mean, 3B to 1B is probably one of the easiest position changes, other than perhaps the corner OF spots).
I think both sides look bad in this. Although the difference seems to be that one side (BOS) is committed to doing what it takes to win and put forth the best lineup every day… and the other side (Devers) is more concerned with personal preference and whether this makes him look like he’s being “pushed around” by the team.
If Devers hadn’t already signed his monster deal, I’d be more sympathetic to his concerns, given the change in position could negatively impact his worth on the FA market in the future. But he doesn’t have to worry about that – he got his money. And he course deserves that contract.
Sure, Devers has every right to voice his frustration about the whole thing. But surely he’ll end up at least meeting the team in the middle and agree to perhaps start taking warm-ups at 1B to see if it’s something he can do. I mean an injury happened – the Red Sox didn’t plan this. Yes the order of events aren’t ideal, but at the end of the day he & the team should be focused on whatever wins games.
Devers made a compact with the team under certain understandings. Would he have foregone his free agency without those understandings? Highly unlikely, but since the Red Sox allegedly broke them, the contract is burdensome to Devers. First, he can’t get out of the deal and head to free agency (and he would stand to profit a lot since the Soto and Guerrero deals), and secondly, he lost what he was promised under the specific understandings.
Said Breslow, “We felt like it was important, based on the situation that unfolded yesterday, to come out here and have an honest conversation about what we value as an organization and what we believe is important to the Boston Red Sox and that is being great teammates for each other.”
Breslow’s speaking style is, shall we say, indirect (a commenter on an older article called it ‘word salad’). Is Breslow implying that he and Devers are both part of the larger Red Sox team? He must know the players don’t view the GM as a teammate.
Is Breslow inferring that he understands what the other players value in a teammate more than Devers? That would be an obnoxious message. Plus, the other players all seem happy with Devers.
We don’t know the details of these Breslow-Devers conversations, but if Breslow talks to Devers the way he talks to the media, he is the wrong person to have these conversations.
Yeah, Devers pretty specifically complained in his remarks to the media that Breslow leaned so hard on the “I used to be a player” angle when they spoke privately. It seems fairly clear that the GM acting like a teammate rather than a GM was one of the things that particularly rubbed him the wrong way.
Breslow is a good reminder that just because you’re good at one thing (or several things) doesn’t mean you can speak extemporaneously in public.
At least until he figures out where it all went wrong it might be safer for him to just not speak at all. To anybody. Except maybe with his family.
It’s corporate double speak. It is about shifting the blame from them onto Devers. It is insulting and unfortunately it works on Red Sox fans. It pretends to be of good faith but it licenses ugly behavior behind it’s facade.
Tom Werner has taught him well.
Remember the leaks about Terry Francona “popping pills” during the Chicken and Beer season?
Yes, everyone looks terrible here. But the weirdest thing to come out of this is that, for some reason, it was Craig Breslow talking to Devers about moving to 1B. Why wasn’t it Cora? Did he refuse? Did Breslow not like the way he had handled the move to DH?
Cora wields tremendous power within the organization for a manager. He was banned for a year for the Astros scandal, and the team hired an interim manager so they could bring him back when he was eligible. When Bloom was fired, Cora seemed to be the only person in the organization who was safe from being let go. So I’m really curious what is going on behind the scenes with him.
It’s because Cora is playing both sides. He’s loyal to Henry and he is the manager so he communicates to the players.
Let’s remember: Playing first base is hard!
No other position prepares you for it. I would not want to try and figure it out midseason.
So hard that it is where most teams have stashed their worst defenders.
Absolutely true, but it is a bit of a new skill set. We only have to go back to last week when the Rangers and Red Sox had utility fielders playing 1B… and they did not field the position gracefully, to say the least.
Given time, I think most position players would be able to learn how to play the position well enough. But it took Bryce Harper a while to adjust. I’d imagine if Mookie Betts moved there tomorrow, he’d look bad initially. By the end of the season, I’d expect him to be very good (even though he’d be quite short for a firstbaseman, but I think he’d make it work – after all, he seems to be playing a fairly respectable shortstop this season).
Asking Devers to learn 1B part way through a season that you’ve just told him he’s been demoted from 3B to DH… well, I can see why he’s annoyed. I think Devers would eventually be competent at the position – but there would be a learning curve. Getting Devers to buy into what’s best for the team is the role of management – and I think the Red Sox would be a stronger team with Devers as their long term 1B – but there isn’t anything I’ve seen which I find convincing that the Red Sox management are doing the people management aspect of their job well.
& for all of the talk of “taking ground balls”, 1B is much more than that & those are things you can’t replicate in practice.
There are a lot of positioning aspects -where do you stand, when do you hold the runner/when don’t you, bunt situations, pickoffs, when do you have the pitcher cover 1B/take if yourself, make sure you don’t block the 1B line,etc.
Lots of little nuances (which is why it’s hard..catching throws is the easy part) & the 1B is involved in the most plays after the pitcher/catcher..Yes, many of them are routine, but, many are not.
This is totally disrespectful of Keith Hernandez and Christian Walker. First base defense is a thing. This isn’t rec league softball.
And John Olerud
My rec league team has an absolute badass at first base – she might be our best infield defender.
No it’s not. Teams have long stashed their worst defenders at first. Players who can no longer play other positions are shifted to first.
Walker and Hernandez are great defensive first basemen. That doesn’t have anything to do with the above.
I am not sure you understand the difference between running fast and playing good defense. People end up at first due to lack of speed, not because they’re bad at defense.
We really shouldn’t need a mid-80’s Mets fan to remind Red Sox fans of the importance of first base defense. Thank you docgooden85.
I understand very well that range is part of defense.
What do first basemen generally have to do?
field grounders
make throws to 2B
make occasional throws across the diamond
catch balls on force plays (some of which need to be picked)
catch balls on pickoffs (some of which need to be picked)
apply tags
catch pop ups in foul territory
What do third basemen generally have to do?
field grounders
make throws to 2B
make lots of throws across the diamond
catch balls on force plays (some of which need to be picked)
catch balls on pickoffs and steal attempts (some of which need to be picked)
catch balls on throws from the outfield (some of which need to be picked)
apply tags
catch pop ups in foul territory
The guy needs to learn the footwork and how to underhand the ball to the pitcher on plays where the pitcher covers. And where he needs to stand to backup throws. He should be able to handle it with a couple months of practice before games.
The footwork with 1B is unique and weird, so is catching short hops, and so is and throwing the ball to the pitcher covering first.
Stretching to receive the throw sooner on bang-bang plays is another somewhat weird 1B skill that doesn’t come naturally to position changers. People always talk about footwork and picking but I see failure to stretch cost a lot of outs when guys are learning the position at the major-league level.
Wouldn’t want to, but the team gets to tell you where to play. Bottom line.
Well, in a real sense it’s not the “team” but rather the manager (along with the GM’s input) that “gets to tell you where to play,” which is true in a sense, but if you do a horrible job of “managing,” which is in the job title, you will soon be unemployed. No team wants to end up with the reputation that it’s awful to play there, to the point you have to pay a middling pitcher almost $70 million to sign. Further, if this situation does blow up, they will almost certainly end up worse off. It’s good management practice to treat employees with professional respect, and I’d say that is exponentially more important when it is an employee you’ve guaranteed over $300 million to.
Yeah, it’s pretty clear a lot of folks in this comment section have never been people leaders…or encountered competent ones, for that matter.
I find it hard to believe that Devers thought that he had some long-time guarantee to stay at third, even from the previous leadership team. While they were negotiating his extension, it was reported that the team told Devers they were using Matt Olson as a comp, because they viewed Devers as more of a first basemen long term.
What is astounding to the point of disbelief is that they didn’t, while moving him to DH, discuss getting some reps at first when his shoulder was feeling better. Even a healthy Casas has been a pretty bad defensive first basemen, meaning Devers could possibly be an upgrade with the glove. And that’s before you consider Casas’s injury history.
Can you actually envision Breslow saying to Devers: “No matter who is injured or traded, we will never ask you to play the field.”?????????
C’mon.
In fact, don’t put away your glove, BURN IT!!
Best perspective on this situation I’ve seen so far. Really great piece, Davy!
I don’t have much to add other than saying that Alex Cora looks terrible with a beard.
Normally I’m not a fan of players airing their dirty laundry publicly, but in this case the team was being very slimy – on more than one occasion in a short period of time – and messing with Devers’ head, AND making him look bad publicly in the process. I don’t begrudge him his reaction here at all.
If nothing else, it is completely nuts to think of giving a guy that contract and then trying to move him to DH with that much time left on the contract.
On top of that, it would seem likely that Bregman is gone next year (or in July possibly?).
Also, whether it is unprofessional or reasonable to ask (or demand) he change positions is not really the point. Devers did not have to extend with them. He would have had plenty of value in the open market. The way they treat him matters not only to him, but other players they potentially wish to sign.
This reads like it was written by Devers’ defense attorney.
For starters, Cora is effectively middle-management and does not have final say on roster decisions – especially when it comes to signing free agents to contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars – so his offseason endorsement of a player on his roster over another who wasn’t at the time doesn’t seem particularly relevant.
Secondly, it’s entirely possible (even likely) that Devers has privately been something of a malcontent since before this saga exposed his attitude to the public, and thus the Red Sox front office calculated that it was better to ask for forgiveness than permission, rather than risk that he and/or his agent would blow up their attempt to sign Bregman while it was still pending.
Finally, reading the article you linked about Devers being “told to put his away his glove” makes it clear that you’ve misrepresented what actually happened, as the piece strongly suggests that Devers himself insisted that he would no longer play the field at all in exchange for accepting the move to DH. It states: “It appeared as though Devers told the team he would make the move to DH, but he would not be returning to the field. That was part of the deal. If they wanted him to DH, he would only DH.”
Is it possible that the Red Sox could have better communicated their intentions to Devers? Sure, maybe, but it’s also possible they’re fully aware of how prickly and self-centered the player they signed to a 300MM+ contract is, and understood that he was going to object if asked to do something he didn’t want to do no matter how tenderly they pampered him, so moved forward and tried to improve their roster regardless of his inevitable protestations.
I’m sorry, but Devers has simply come off as selfish and whiny during this entire exchange, especially in comparison to Harper and Vladdy – let alone A-Rod, who wasn’t exactly revered as a paragon of humility. It’s nice that he urged the Red Sox to “sign reinforcements last summer,” but when given the opportunity to improve the team’s roster twice in a span of three months, he had to be dragged kicking and screaming into acquiescing the first time, and flat out refused the second time. Does that make him a terrible person? Of course not, but it absolutely calls into question his commitment to anything other than himself.
No, you’re just viewing it that way through your own bias as a Red Sox fan.
Cora is the direct representative of management. If he makes a public statement that is in any way unacceptable to management, he will immediately be notified not to make that statement again. Therefore, if a manager repeatedly states something, you may safely assume that it is the desired narrative.
If that were true and Devers is a known malcontent, then deliberately lying to him is the worst possible way of handling the situation. Asking for forgiveness rather than permission is what you do when you’re dealing with the type of person who is likely to give in and go along.
Whether Devers was told that or demanded that himself doesn’t change the fact that it was agreed upon between Devers and the team. They don’t get to just go back on that word whether it was the player’s request or theirs.
He comes off as bitter about being lied to repeatedly by his employer. I find it utterly bizarre that you and so many others are defending that behavior and trying to blame the employee.
Lol. For as intelligent as the FG commentariat typically is, they sure do love baselessly accusing people of pro-home team bias.
Pirates, Rays, now Red Sox. That makes at least three teams I’ve been accused of being a fan of in the last six or so months on this website.
Unfortunately (for your priors and my personal sanity), I’m a White Sox fan, pal, and absolutely nothing about my assessment of the situation is based on a non-existent pro-Boston bias.
If you are good representation of White Sox fans, no wonder the White Sox owner Reinsdorf gets away with bad management without worrying.
Ahhhh yes, because I don’t reflexively take the player’s side in literally every dispute with management regardless of circumstances, I’m suddenly responsible for Jerry Reinsdorf’s catastrophic mishandling of the White Sox.
You, sir, are not only a scholar but a gentleman too. What a profound and poignant insight. I’m sure your MacArthur Prize is in the mail and will arrive any day now.
Also, if you would be so kind to condescend to the unwashed masses for a moment, could you please point out the exact analogue to how the White Sox have been mismanaged? After all, the Sox don’t sign players to big contracts, so I’m struggling to find any substance whatsoever in your comment.
“Defense attorney”? Is he being charged with a crime here? As to all the personality stuff — someone said this already upthread, but it bears repeating: if the team signed a “selfish prickly malcontent” to a $300M+ deal, that’s still on them, isn’t it? They’re the ones who chose to keep him around and to handle him this way.
Gee, underselling it just a TAD there…
“Did something interrupt the otherwise wonderful play at Ford’s Theater? Sure, maybe, but it was a pretty uneventful evening otherwise!”
“Was appeasement the wrong approach by Britain in the 1930s? Sure, maybe, but there was probably going to be a little skirmish no matter what!”
In the last 9 months, Devers has gone from impressively playing most of ’24 with injured shoulders is a heroic figure to selfish jerk who isn’t a team player. The team replaced him defensively, removed his defensive value that underpinned the justification for his long term deal, and started beef within fans toward Devers.
This is absolutely a ploy by Henry to trade Devers. Henry is a classic Bill James believer and Devers no longer fits the bill now. Since he controls what the media around the Red Sox (he owns the Globe and many other media — where Shaunnessy works and where Buckely is attached) and sets the narratives fans hear in Red Sox nation. All the movements since the start of the offseason have slowly been boiling the water around Devers and he’s almost cooked. Henry has the justification from the fans and the relationship between Devers and the team is fractured. This means there won’t be enough reason why this can’t be done. Meanwhile, they have preserved his trade value. It’s a brilliant plan but also duplicitous and shameful.
This cannot possibly have been intentional. No owner and front office are this dumb. Not anymore. Not even the Rockies or Angels or White Sox would intentionally do something like this (unintentionally though…)
Any team that is going to trade for Devers will now be wondering if he is going to refuse to try first base. I don’t think there are many teams that will want him to play at third, and even if they did before they don’t want to open up that now. There will be a few teams willing to trade for him because they figure, hey worst case scenario is we have a good hitter at DH. But he is going to be paid $28M a year forever to DH.
So if the Red Sox did this intentionally, they did it so they could trade arguably their best hitter for somewhere between half and a quarter of his earlier trade value. The Red Sox are absolutely not playing 4D chess here.
Yeah, it is typical Henry/Werner to aggressively trash people via Tha Glob, but they usually do so after the divorce.
Never forget that they claimed Terry Francona was popping painkillers to cope with his crumbling marriage, after 2011:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2011/10/11/red-sox-unity-dedication-dissolved-during-epic-late-season-collapse/KL4IT0morzpzJR0TsO1LsI/story.html
Idk didn’t they trade Betts? Just take the A’s owner managing move the team to Las Vegas. Whether competent or not, it’s a terrible idea to move from a bigger market to a smaller market.However he still managed to get it to move forward in the face of the every MLB owner. Look at the Doncic trade that happened recently. The fact remains that terrible ideas can be rationalized by competent people. The problem is these people have the competence to act and put these ideas into motion.
First, I don’t think this is a front office idea, like Breslow isn’t in on this. This is exclusively a Henry idea. Breslow is just the sap who will be responsible for the blow back, just the Bloom was for the Betts trade.
Why would Henry want to trade him? I don’t know but anything can tip off these billionaires. As long as they see something and have the means, they can get what they want.
One could assume like you have that paying a DH that much is far-fetched. I think it makes sense if you tie in Bill James philosophy and all the 1B/DH the Red Sox have had under the Henry ownership. Adrian Gonzalez was only 1B of value and he was traded in a salary dump very early in his deal. Big Papi was never paid serious money to his Hall of Fame value as a DH, always were those negotiations teeth pullers. The most he swallowed for 1b/DH was Hanley Ramirez, but that was short lived.
However, even if Henry believes this, it doesn’t mean that others will. We just saw Guerrero and Soto, two future long time DHs make a ridiculous amount of money, well above what Devers earns. Although they are superior hitters, Devers is really close and in his prime years. I suspect most teams think Devers can still play 3B for a few more seasons. Then he can be transitioned to 1B and then eventually DH like most people expected him to progress.
Together, this doesn’t mean his value is as down as you suspect. There will be good value out there. Teams who don’t want to pay FA prices will be tempted. Team who can’t attract FA will be tempted. Teams who’ve missed out will be interested.
This means there will be fair value out there. Henry could possibly think getting out from the contract makes sense now with how many left-handing hitting prospects are coming up.
Personally, I think trading Devers is a terrible idea. But in the face of it, I’m not going to ignore the building of coincidences as incompetence anymore. Especially not people with power.
Er, no, he isnt. At least, definitely not for Soto. Vlad is a weird one with how up and down his career has gone but he’s still 10 points of OPS+ and wrc+ ahead of Devers for his career with both eating a couple adjust to the league seasons at 20 and 21. I might give you “close” for him but youre not getting “really” with the much higher ceiling Vlad’s demonstrated and I’ll take his profile to age if I had to pick
Devers if he’s not a 3B is comparable to Pete Alonso for me. And we saw what that got this offseason.
Pretty knitpicky, considering the purpose was the highlight a relative value. But FYI Devers is outperforming Soto to date.
Devers has been worth 16.7 fWAR over the last four seasons while being a bad third baseman. The Red Sox knew he was a bad third baseman when they gave him $313.5 million. Of course there will be many teams that will want him to play third if Boston is willing to eat part of his contract, which they will have to do.
I guess but he’s been pretty consistently below average to bad out there from 2020 to the present.
There are some teams that are willing to live with below average defense at third base but Devers has the worst, fourth worst, and ninth-worst OAA at third base between 2021 and 2024. So I would say that the jury is out on whether a team would be particularly keen to put him out there at that salary with that defense. Not a lot of teams have demonstrated that willingness.
The most logical teams for this would be the Cubs, who previously let Patrick Wisdom out there and have Dansby Swanson at shortstop, the Mets who could shift Vientos to first base and have Lindor at shortstop, and the Dodgers who do not care much about infield defense and have been playing Max Muncy out there a lot.
The other factors are (1) whether a team wants to reopen this and then try moving him off third base later given all that has happened and (2) how much the Red Sox would pay down. I don’t know how to gauge that but I’m not optimistic the Red Sox would want to pay a lot of this down, nor a team wanting to import any part of this controversy.
It’d be interesting to see someone work out the trade-value math in more detail but my gut says Boston would need to eat something like $100M to get to neutral. It’s the typical thing where long-term deals are underwater as soon as the ink dries.
Devers has been that since he reached the Major Leagues. His worst season defensively by UZR/150 and pro rated OAA was actually his first in 2017.
Keep in mind that OAA is a counting stat, so players like Devers who average 140+ games per season will look worse than a player who plays less frequently. On a pro rated basis, Devers isn’t even close to being as bad as Jake Burger or Ramón Urías, and those two keep getting trotted out at third base.
The only reason you would take Devers at that salary is to play him at third base. His bat is still good enough but much less special at first base or DH. The teams that will want to trade for him will want him to play third. He’s bad there but still playable.
Eh, I have thought basically from the start of this whole charade (before this latest addition) that it was all contrived by the Boston FO to trade Devers before he hits his decline years, of which there are reasons to believe could be ugly
It wouldnt even really be out of character, they have done this before where theyve used the media to slime people on the way out, both in Boston and with Liverpool
Dustin May and Dalton Rushing for Devers when?
Not soon enough for me, a Red Sox fan.
Just curious: How many players on that list who switched positions to help their teams switched mid-season to a position they had never played before?
Harper switched to 1B midseason, because he had rushed back from TJ.
& Mookie moved to SS mid-season..His professional experience was 12 games played in 2012. Javy Baez is similar this year in CF for Detroit. I know it’s not “never”, but, both had little experience & hadn’t played the position in a decade or more.
It DOES happen, but, rarely..& clearly, the Red Sox management has done a very poor job of communicating/setting expectations for Devers, I.E., maybe he WOULD have been more amenable to moving to 1B if they hadn’t jerked him around all winter with false promises & poor communication.
Exactly this.
Okay, but like, Mookie and Javy were athletic, elite defenders at premium positions when they made those transitions. Devers just got told he was too much of a defensive liability to ever pick up a glove again not 2 months ago
Pete Rose in 1975 happily switched to third to get George Foster’s bat in the lineup.
Bill Buckner switched from right field to first base in his rookie season.
I’ve also seen spanish speakers complaining about the quality of translations the team-provided translator has given in real time—they’ve indicated devers is hedging more than the translations indicate
Not with Devers specifically, but this was a noticeable issue with Boston’s translators several times in the Netflix docuseries. Even the subtitles simplified things too much sometimes — though they generally did a decent job with the profanity!
I’ve also seen people saying that they made Devers’ comments less combative. But changing it in either direction seems like malpractice by the translator. Who are they to decide what a player really means or what a player really should be saying?
It sounds like the actual communication issue is between Cora and Breslow and Devers is left feeling jerked around as a result. None of the communication that carried any sort of certainty about Devers’ position came from Breslow, it was Cora (and an anonymous source from Passan which we can pretty much ignore).
Breslow clearly has work to do on the leadership/communication/media side of things and it starts with making sure he and the manager (really the entire front office and coaching staff) are aligned in everything they are communicating.
I have zero sympathy for Rafael Devers. There are real people with real problems in the world. There are even instances of athletes not getting opportunities, not getting appreciated or rewarded financially for their efforts.
This isn’t that. This is a privileged, pampered individual who was given hundreds of millions of dollars to play baseball. Statistically, Devers has been the WORST THIRD BASEMAN IN MLB since he arrived. From 2018-2024, Devers led all MLB 3B in errors with 127, 48 more errors than his closest competitor.
During this period, Devers was dead last in DRS at -57. The next closest to him was Alec Bohm at -46. He’s dead last OAA and RAA, too.
The more one looks at the numbers, the more one arrives at the conclusion, “F*** this guy.” He can go cry on a pillow of money. The baseball reasons for all these decisions are obvious and staring us in the face.
STOP BABYING ADULTS!
OAA, DRS, and errors are all counting stats, so players who play 140+ games at a position each season will look substantially worse than players who play half of that. If you divide those figures by innings played, Devers is still a well below average third baseman but nowhere near the worst.
The fact of the matter is that it’s incredibly rare for a team to ask a player to learn a brand new position during a season, much less a star player who has consistently performed well at the plate. Add in how Boston repeatedly lied to Devers and the media about what they wanted him to do defensively and it is completely understandable why he would feel aggrieved.
I’m genuinely mystified that people like you are siding with the corporation over the employee.
“I’m genuinely mystified that people like you are siding with the corporation over the employee.”
If you’re genuinely mystified, then, you need to wake the f*** up. This man is very generously compensated for his job, which is to play baseball. All the defensive statistics – this is Fangraphs – say that Devers is a terrible 3B by MLB standards.
It’s very possible that multiple people can be entitled a-holes. It’s completely possible that the Red Sox front office AND Rafael Devers could be petty, selfish, super-rich, entitled, out-of-touch a-holes. But in this case, the guy has gotten paid. The reason he was moved off 3B is that he’s really bad at 3B.
Of all 3B with 7000+ innings played, Devers is 36 RUNS WORSE than the next-worse 3B. He’s -57 DRS. Eugenio Suarez is at -21 DRS.
Devers is -22 OAA. The next-worst – again Suarez – is +14 DRS.
Devers is -17 RAA. The next-worst – gain Suarez – is +11 OAA
Of all 3B with more 7000 IP, Devers is the worst in UZR, and has 48 more errors than any 3B in MLB.
People are so sick of the whining and lack of accountability.
The Boston Red Sox gave Rafael Devers $313.5 million to play third base and to hit the baseball. He has held up his end of the deal, as he is hitting as well as ever and his defense has not declined at all from what it was when the Red Sox signed him to that extension.
Devers is no worse defensively than he was when the Red Sox gave him that mammoth contract. If he was suddenly much worse then you would have a point, but he isn’t, so you don’t.
That is not true. Boston was perfectly fine with Devers being a bad third baseman for eight seasons. He is not any worse at it now than he was when he came up in 2017. The reason he was moved off of third base is because Boston wanted to get Alex Bregman and Kristian Campbell into the lineup.
What’s particularly funny about that is how bad Campbell has been defensively at second base. He is on pace for between -20 and -25 DRS. That would be nearly double Devers’ worst season of -13.
I agree that the Red Sox made a mistake. When they sign someone to a ten-year, $313.5 million contract, that team needs to sign the right player.
The Red Sox should have seen these red flags and not signed this player. Now, they’re stuck paying him, and because his defense is terrible and he’s a bad teammate who’s difficult with coaches, the Front Office, and the media, his trade value will be significantly less.
Holy shit is this a stunningly bad take. This is a situation entirely of the Red Sox creation because they just flat-out lied to him and the media regarding the Bregman situation, and then are proceeding to faceplant and make the exact same mistake again. Do better.
I agree with you that this is a situation entirely of the Red Sox’ creation. They had the ultimate team player, a truly generational talent in Mookie Betts, and they opted to trade that player instead of locking him up to a huge, long-term deal.
Mookie Betts will bat leadoff, second, or third in the lineup. He’ll gladly play RF, CF, 2B, or shortstop.
That’s the guy you center your team around, not someone who’s inflexible, one-dimensional, and doesn’t appear to be a team player.
There are no good guys in this. The people who own the Red Sox are greedy and out of touch. The agents are greedy and out of touch. Many of the players are greedy and out of touch.
As a lifelong baseball fan, I couldn’t give a f*** about someone in Rafael Devers’ position. There’s nothing relatable here. He just looks entitled and aloof.
300 MILL to play a game and still unhappy?…The people here defending Devers are the same people who defend Juan Soto when he walks to 1st on ground balls..SAD
Historically, and in the abstract, I prefer when players are flexible about position changes and have scoffed at players (cough Jeter cough) whose egos lead to positional demands that make their teams worse in the long run.
This case seems different. It strikes me as being much more about poor communication and a lack of professionalism and transparency on the part of Red Sox management than about Devers as a man or a player as such.
Here are some things the Red Sox have done that are just plainly bad organizational looks. All of the below may well have poisoned their relationship with a star player signed long term and all of which may lead to other star players thinking twice before signing with the team:
Even if (especially if?) Devers is a stubborn, prickly, or ego-driven player, Red Sox management should be operating on the assumption that they need to get him on board with their decision-making — after all, how are you expecting to win championships with a disgruntled star player? Especially after the spring training debacle, it is galling that the Red Sox simply did the same thing — told Devers and the public one thing and then suddenly pulled the rug out from under that promise privately. Just be straight up! Just tell the press “we are having conversations internally and are looking at every possibility for making our team better” or “Devers is extremely important to our team and we have to talk to him before we talk to you” — don’t lie! Don’t leak random negative stories about your franchise player, under contract for the better part of a decade, to a famously bloodthirsty press corps! It’s all just such Mickey Mouse behavior for a multi-billion dollar business enterprise.
Part of the problem, in my view, is that it seems that the Red Sox don’t know exactly what they want to do with Devers long term. They don’t seem to have communicated a long term vision for his place on the team to him now that he’s not their defacto starting 3bman. Is he going to go back to 3b after Bregman inevitably moves on? Do they want him to be something of a utility player, with some positional flexibility? Do they want him at first base long term? At DH? Devers seems to me to be lashing out against the uncertainty and the herky jerky nature of Sox decision making. Shouldn’t the Sox have considered all of these various possibilities and laid them out for Devers at some point? Shouldn’t Devers be able to know what is expected of him, so that he can prepare for the day-to-day rigors of the baseball season without worry about this or that change being sprung on him every other week?
The dumbest part of this drama is that it feels like it could’ve been avoided, at least in large part, with some foresight and better communication from the team. Devers may still have been stubborn about a positional change — we’ll basically never know how Devers’ would have responded if he’d been part of the conversations from the jump. In this reality, though, it sure feels like the Sox have spoiled their working relationship with Raffy in a way that will be hard to come back from.
Well these comments have been fun. What’s interesting is watching certain fans blow up in anger over it. Anger that exceeds Devers’ feelings, or his team’s feelings on the matter.
Honestly I expect they’ll work it out. He’ll probably just concede and take some reps at first.
It’s interesting seeing a player paid as much he is, that is so clearly NOT a leader. Unfortunately, the way Boston has been going about this isn’t great, but nor is his reaction. Reminds me of AITA, and realizing all sides in this situation suck. He’s being a baby about it, digging his heels in, and will likely be voted “worst teammate” this year – and deservedly so. I read another blurb about this that his teammates are pretty unhappy with his handling of it, as they’re all trying to win games together. Unfortunately by saying no, and abjectly refusing to play 1b he’s showing his priority isn’t winning or doing what is best for the team.
I love that you just hand-wave past every bit of this that is caused by the Red Sox just flat-out lying to him and the local media. “The way they have gone about it hasn’t been great” – but let’s move right on past that and spend the next 100 words excoriating Devers like he caused this situation somehow.
If you don’t want to engender a shitty reaction, don’t do shitty things to set the chain of events in motion.
Thank you for being a voice — and publication — of sanity on this fiasco.
If anyone has eyes that can see, all you had to do was watch the Netflix special to see how dopey this management group is.
I was surprised they let it air.
You know, they told him to put away his glove, not to burn it. Also, first basemen use a different glove than third basemen.
Checkmate, Rafael!