2011 Organizational Rankings #8: Toronto

After that last assignment, I’m glad I got something that won’t get readers too worked up. A general manager with one full season… what could possibly go wrong?

Present Talent – 79.55 (13th)

Blue Jays Season Preview

Future Talent – 85.00 (t-5th)

Blue Jays Top 10 Prospects

Financial Resources – 81.67 (t-9th or t-12th, depending on how you think)
Baseball Operations – 85.91 (5th)

Overall Rating – 82.59 (8th)

While I feel pretty good about the Blue Jays’ future, I was surprised that they ranked this high overall. If you think that these rankings should either mirror last season’s standings or what we think they will be in the coming season, this ranking will be particularly baffling. But that’s not what we’re trying to do.

The Blue Jays current group isn’t bad, being ranked in the top half of baseball, but (among other things) with Shaun Marcum now in Milwaukee, Jose Bautista likely to regress to “only” 35 home runs or so, and the toughest division in baseball not getting any easier in 2011, contention is unlikely on the heels of 2010’s surprising 85-win season. So why are we so high on Toronto over the next few years? Part of it is that there is some relatively good young talent on the current team. The farm system (“Future Talent”) is also good — while it is mired in the big “blob” in fifth place in the rankings, Marc’s team-specific write-up places the Jays’ minor league system at third overall. But there are other reasons why the Jays’ outlook for the next few seasons seems brighter than it has for some time.

Along with a good farm system and decent major league talent, Toronto’s financial situation is favorable. Toronto is tied in our rankings with teams such as Atlanta, Minnesota, the White Sox, and just below San Francisco and just ahead of Colorado and Seattle. All of these teams probably rank higher overall than they might have because of the ownership and financial problems that the Dodgers and Mets are experiencing (and who knows, those might clear up in the next year or so). There are reasons one might be skeptical of the financial ranking given to the Jays. After all, Toronto ranked only 27th in Forbes‘ franchise valuations, and attendance has been less than impressive.

Nonetheless, from the standpoint of how the Jays might spend in order to compete in the near future, there are some positive signs. It isn’t as if the Blue Jays have had a Marlins-level payroll in recent seasons. Even before the Vernon Wells off-loading, Toronto had a lot of money coming off the books this offseason. Since then, they’ve extended Jose Bautista to a long-term deal, but even so, starting in 2012 they have only about $30 million guaranteed (although that doesn’t include likely arbitration awards). In 2009 and 2010, the Jays’ payroll was around $80 million, and was close to $100 million as recently as 2008. Of more interest is the aggressive tone set in offseason interviews with club president Paul Beeston and general manager Alex Anthopoulos. While both admit that it is tough to compete with the big payrolls of divisional rivals like Boston and New York, neither use that as an excuse. Beeston goes so far as to say that he thinks the Toronto area can support a payroll of $140 million or more, and Anthopoulos goes out of his way to say that “Rogers Communications is probably the wealthiest owner in MLB” (he also uses the word “synergies,” which is awesome in a Jack Donaghy kind of way). One one hand, the positivity may just reflect an attempt to encourage the fan base. On the other hand, it isn’t the sort of thing one would imagine club executives would say if they weren’t under the impression they would have more money to spend in the near future — to do otherwise would be to invite a public relations fiasco. Toronto isn’t swimming in income, but with no debt obligations, a wealthy ownership, and a confident set of executives, the team looks like it is going to be willing to put out the money when the time is right in the next couple of seasons. They won’t have the same margin of error as the Yankees and Red Sox, but an increased willingness to spend on the part of ownership combined with a relative lack of guaranteed money after 2011 will give the Jays a chance to make some moves.

It is always possible that they won’t spend the money properly, and that is why it is so important to have a good baseball operations staff. We have the Blue Jays ranked fifth in baseball operations, right behind Atlanta and right ahead of Oakland. That seems fitting — while the Blue Jays have clearly embraced a lot of “new” thinking about baseball, they also emphasis traditional methods (Anthopoulos has a background in scouting). This is clearly an aggressive rating for a team that just hired the current general manager in the fall of 2009, and it is understandable why some might find this a bit too high. I was far from the only “voter” who was impressed by the Jays front office, and even I was a little surprised. While I can’t speak for the others, I can give you some of the reasoning behind my rating.

While the Vernon Wells trade was obviously a great boon for the team, that played a relatively small part for me. Don’t get me wrong — it was a factor in the financial portion of this rating. But I also think that given the situation, most front offices in the league would have done what the Blue Jays did [INSERT {Team X} JOKE HERE]. I have been more impressed by other things, of which I’ll only list of few. In terms of “big picture” issues, the team has finally started spending more over slot in the draft after years of pretty much following MLB’s guidelines. They have also expanded their Latin American operations and significantly increased the size of their scouting staff.

In terms of individual moves, not every deal has to be Wells-level ripoff for it to be impressive. Indeed, there are few obvious ripoffs in trades. But so far Anthopoulos has improved the team’s long-term situation. The deal that brought Yunel Escobar wasn’t necessarily a total steal for Toronto, but it did capitalize on a sudden apparent asset (Alex Gonzalez) in order to get a younger, better shortstop to at least bridge the gap until the farm produces something without giving up too much. The team also did a good job of gauging which of their potential free agents would reject arbitration, and has accumulated picks for the stacked 2011 draft. The clever post-season trade for Miguel Olivo was the pinnacle of that kind of cleverness (they offered Olivo arbitration, which he rejected, netting the Jays Type B draft compensation), and one of the reasons why old friend and Rays fan R.J. Anderson has taken to calling Anthopoulos “Andrew Friedman’s Evil Twin.”

One less glamorous move drew my attention as a good sign: the Shaun Marcum-Brett Lawrie trade. It was far from a ripoff. Shaun Marcum is a good pitcher still in his arbitration years, and Lawrie, while a good prospect, isn’t a sure thing. What impressed me, however, was that it shows that Anthopoulos has a good idea of where the team is at, and that while Marcum is good now, he isn’t young and won’t be under club control by the time the team is ready to compete. Lawrie might not work out, but he’s more likely to be a contributor (and possibly a significant one) on the next contender in Toronto than Marcum. That might seem obvious to some of us, but we’ve also seen teams get “pulled in” by an surprising 85-win season and make mistakes that set them back a few years. The Jays don’t seem to be doing that, and that kind of perspective is important for a team in their situation.

The overall rating doesn’t reflect what the Jays will do in 2011. Personally, I think their 2011 record will take a step back from 2010. But for the reasons given above, I do think the “long-short term” is bright for Jays. The Jays aren’t blowing away the field in any one area, but they are above average in all four. While their current major league talent is only middling, they do have some bright young talent graduating this season from a strong minor league system, which will be restocked with a number of picks in the draft. Ownership appears to be willing to expand payroll in the next few seasons. Yes, they are still in the toughest division in baseball. However, while I hesitate to say “if the Rays can do it anyone can,” if the payroll goes over $100 million Anthopoulos doesn’t have as good as Andrew Friedman, he just has to be in the same general ballpark. It will be fun to watch him try.

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Grant
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Grant

It’s a bit frustrating to see the Jays elite farm given the same amount of credit as a few below average ones, I think that presents a major flaw in these rankings.

I was also under the impression that financial resources were going to be left separate from baseball ops rankings. While Alex’s tenure has been short, he’s really separated himself from some of the more inept GM’s like Epstein who continuously squander valuable resources and cover up their mistakes with large, multi-year deals. I’m with Buck Showalter here, a clearly below average GM who spends alot doesn’t get credit for being some genius. I think fangraphs voters need to consider his words instead of drooling over 9 figure contracts.

All in all, I think 8 is about right, but mistakes were clearly made in evaluating the future talent and baseball ops.

Ryan
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Ryan

Lol

siggian
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siggian

I was agreeing with you until you said “inept GM’s like Epstein,” Boston has been too good a team for too long to be lead by an inept GM. Even with gobs of money, you still need to know what you are doing. Proof: see the Yankees before Steinbrenner got banned from running the team directly.

An Epsteing run team without money would still be a good team, and in any other division, a perennial contender to win a pennant.

CircleChange11
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CircleChange11

I think the point could be made that BOS caught up to NYY before they caught up to them in spending. Since then, they’ve basically become “NY Lite” (or “NY Smart”, if you will).

But, at present, it’s hard to tell how much of BOS’s success is Baseball Operations Intelligence and how much is just “big spending”.

In other words, with their current roster and latest acquisitions (Lackey, Adrian, Crawford) they really behave similar to Philly. They’ve overpaid at times because … well, they can afford to. No single contract, not Lackey, not Crawford, not Ryan Howard, is going to seriously hamper either team from contending for their division for the next few years.

CooperNB
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CooperNB

I think that there are different ways to run different clubs. You can accept different amounts and types of risk to run a team like the Red Sox maximally than you would to run a team with the resources of, say, the Blue Jays or Athletics. A big market team shouldn’t be run as if it were a small market team. That’s not to say it shouldn’t use some of the same principles, but to call a GM “inept” because he has the ability to sign Carl Crawford is lazy.

Since Epstein has been GM, he’s overseen a team that has averaged almost 94 wins per season in a tough division, won two World Series, invested in the draft, and constructed a team that won almost 90 games with an obscene set of injuries to almost all of its best players (i.e. relying on organizational depth). It could be that just anyone could have overseen this kind of success, but with the exception of the Yankees (who, despite the attempt to lump these teams together, maintain a significantly larger payroll), no on has in that stretch.

Also, a number of Epstein’s employees have gone on to take jobs as GMs of other teams and yet even without them, the Red Sox have maintained its success.

Eric
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Eric

you were fine until “inept GM’s like Epstein”, which is far from the truth

Grant
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Grant

So everyone basically agrees with me but wants to put Epstein on a pedestal for some unknown reason. I can live with that.

Temo
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Temo

Or, everyone basically agree with you but knows that calling Epstein inept is laughable.

Brian
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Brian

You mean unknown reason besides the myriad of reasons that were listed above? Alright then.

neuter_your_dogma
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neuter_your_dogma

“I can live with that.” Hopefully you will live regardless.

JoeDaddy
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JoeDaddy

I agree w/ you. The problem is, ABSOLUTELY nobody can say w/out a doubt one way or another. Theo Epstein is the homerun hitter who has never left Coors Field.

Hell, Brad Hawpe had a 127 wRC+ in 2009.

Nick
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Nick

That analogy is too cool. Epstein is the home run hitter whose never left Coors, and AA is the rookie who just had one good year.

Aaron W.
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Aaron W.

2 World Championships = “some unknown reason”

JayTeam
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JayTeam

Grant – Don’t agree with everything you said, but nothing was as ridiculous as the Epstein remark.
Aaron – Epstein is probably the best GM in baseball, but WS championships had nothing to do with it. If Boston had lost both, would it have made him less smart? Winning or losing the WS doesn’t change the way neurons fire in your brain.