2014 Top 10 Prospects: New York Mets

The New York Mets boast an underrated system that has both impressive arms and intriguing hitters. Quite a few of the prospects should be ready to contribute at the big league level within the next two seasons.

 

#1 Noah Syndergaard | 65/AA (P)


Age G GS IP H HR K/9 BB/9 ERA FIP
20 23 23 117.2 107 11 10.17 2.14 3.06 2.89

The Year in Review: The key to the late 2012 trade that sent former Cy Young award winner R.A. Dickey to Toronto, Syndergaard’s timetable was accelerated in 2013 and his split the season between High-A and Double-A. In total, he struck out 133 batters in 117.2 innings and walked just 28. His increased fly-ball rate in 2013 caught up to him at the Double-A level when his home run rate jumped significantly from 0.42 to 1.33 HR/9.

The Scouting Report: Syndergaard’s most talked about attribute is his mid-to-upper-90s fastball but he also has above-average control for a 21-year-old with less than four years of professional experience. The right-hander pairs his heater with an above-average changeup that flashes plus potential and his breaking ball has improved enough to place a future average grade on it. Standing 6’6”, the Texas native needs to do a better job of leveraging his height to his advantage and pounding the lower half of the strike zone.

The Year Ahead: Because he’s so young, and didn’t turn 21 until the end of August, Syndergaard could head back to the Double-A level where he made 11 starts last season. He should reach Triple-A before the end of June and could be pitching in the Majors by the end of August.

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The Career Outlook: The lack of a consistent breaking ball is holding back Syndergaard from being projected as a future No. 1 starter. Nonetheless, in his prime he could be a dominating No. 2 starter capable of providing a plethora of innings.

 

#2 Travis d’Arnaud | 60/MLB (C)


Age PA BB% K% AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ Off Def WAR
24 112 10.7 % 18.8 % .202 .286 .263 .254 60 -4.8 0.1 -0.1

The Year in Review: Another piece of the loot that the Mets scored in the R.A. Dickey trade, d’Arnaud looked poised to take over the starting catcher’s gig at the big league level before the beginning of the summer but a broken foot put the end to that dream. He finally made The Show in mid-August but struggled in 31 games. He hit just .202 with four extra base hits and struck out 21 times.

The Scouting Report: Despite his struggles in 2013, d’Arnaud projects to develop into an above average hitting catcher and could provide 15-20 home runs in a full season’s worth of work. He showed some signs of curbing his aggressive nature at the plate but he’s gotten himself into trouble in the past by swinging at too many pitcher’s pitches. Perhaps the biggest concern with d’Arnaud is the litany of injuries that he’s already sustained in his seven-year career.

The Year Ahead: As it stands, d’Arnaud is being handed the undisputed role of starting catcher for the Mets and he’ll be backed up by either defensive whiz Juan Centeno or sophomore journeyman Anthony Recker. Either way, the Mets could have a very inexperienced tandem in 2014.

The Career Outlook: The young catcher has all-star potential but he’s got to stay healthy and behind the plate long enough to realize his full potential.

 

#3 Dominic Smith | 60/R (1B)


Age PA H 2B HR BB SO SB AVG OBP SLG wOBA
18 206 52 13 3 26 37 2 .301 .398 .439 .390

The Year in Review: Drafted 11th overall out of high school in 2013, Smith entered pro ball and was rarely fazed. He produced a .384 on-base percentage while displaying flashes of his power potential. He also impressed with his defensive work. After 48 games in the Gulf Coast League, he earned a late promotion to the advanced-rookie Appalachian League where he appeared in three games.

The Scouting Report: Smith was even more advanced at the plate than expected. He should hit for average and power while also getting on-base at a healthy clip. His power is generated by quick bat speed and he doesn’t have to pull the ball to hit it out of the park. Like many young hitters, he has work to do against same-handed pitchers. At first base, he could develop into on of the best fielder in the game at his position thanks to his athleticism around the bag and soft hands.

The Year Ahead: Smith is advanced and mature enough to handle a jump to full-season ball in his first full pro season. He could move fairly quickly for such a young player and could reach the Majors in late 2016.

The Career Outlook: Smith has a chance to be an impact player both as a middle-of-the-order hitter and as a defensive whiz at first base. 

 

#4 Amed Rosario | 60/R (SS)


Age PA H 2B HR BB SO SB AVG OBP SLG wOBA
17 226 51 8 3 11 43 2 .241 .279 .358 .295

The Year in Review: One of the most exciting prospects in the Appalachian League based on his raw tools, Rosario showed his inexperience at the plate with a .637 OPS and 43 strikeouts in 58 games. The right-handed hitter struggled mightily against southpaws — likely due to the lack of experience — but he made noticeable improvements in each of the three months he played in 2013.

The Scouting Report: You wouldn’t know it to look at his numbers but Rosario has average or better tools across the board and projects to develop into an above-average hitter both in terms of batting average and power. He also has above-average speed but needs to improve his reads and jumps. Defensively, he has a strong arm, good range and soft hands so he should stick at the position long term.

The Year Ahead: Rosario turned 18 in November and still has a lot of polish to add to his offensive game so he’ll likely open the 2014 season in extended spring training before moving up to either the New York Penn League or South Atlantic League in June. He’s at least four seasons away from reaching the Majors.

The Career Outlook: The shortstop position in New York is a bit of a black hole right now and Rosario might end up being the answer to the problem but i’s going to be a while before he punches his ticket to Citi Field. 

 

#5 Rafael Montero | 55/AAA (P)


Age G GS IP H HR K/9 BB/9 ERA FIP
22 27 27 155.1 136 6 8.69 2.03 2.78 2.45

The Year in Review: Montero, 23, split the 2013 season between Double-A and Triple-A. He compiled a total of 156 innings — despite concerns over his modest frame — and struck out 150 batters. He walked 35 batters and allowed just six home runs.

The Scouting Report: Montero is a rare Latin prospect who has a high ceiling despite being a late bloomer and not signing until he was 20 years old. His strengths as a pitcher are his above-average command and control, which help all three of his pitches play up. He possesses a low-90s fastball, slider and changeup. He needs to stay on top of his pitches more and try to create more of a downward plane.

The Year Ahead: The young pitcher will challenge for the fourth or fifth starter’s role on the 2014 Mets but a slow spring could see him return to Triple-A for some more seasoning.

The Career Outlook: Montero cannot challenge the ceilings of Zack Wheeler or Noah Syndergaard but he has the potential to develop into a solid mid-rotation starter.

 

#6 Kevin Plawecki | 55/A+ (C)


Age PA H 2B HR BB SO SB AVG OBP SLG wOBA
22 521 137 38 8 42 53 1 .305 .390 .448 .387

The Year in Review: The 35th overall selection out of Purdue University during the 2012 amateur draft, Plawecki had a breakout season in 2013 and performed well in both levels of A-ball. He slugged 47 extra base hits and struck out just 53 times in 125 games.

The Scouting Report: Plawecki is a strong-bodied catcher who should be capable of playing a ton of games behind the plate and his durability could eventually make the more frail Travis d’Arnaud expendable. If he learns to generate a little more loft with his swing, some of the Indiana native’s doubles could turn into home runs. Plawecki does a nice job of making contact and has a good eye at the plate so he could continue to hit for a solid average as he moves up the organizational ladder.

The Year Ahead: Plawecki will move up to Double-A in 2014 and will look to quiet the critics who doubt his ability to stick behind the plate due to a modest arm and blocking skills. Don’t be shocked if he reaches the Majors by mid-2015.

The Career Outlook: Plawecki has a good chance to settle in as a fringe-average defender who sticks behind the plate for a while on the basis of his above-average bat. He may eventually spend more time at first base but his power needs to develop further for him to truly be asset there.

 

#7 Jake DeGrom | 55/AAA (P)


Age G GS IP H HR K/9 BB/9 ERA FIP
25 26 26 147.2 168 11 7.31 2.80 4.51 3.56

The Year in Review: A former ninth round draft pick out of Stetson University, DeGrom has made incredible progress since missing all of 2011 due to elbow surgery. He played at three levels in 2013 and finished the year in Triple-A. In total, he provided more than 147 innings of work.

The Scouting Report: DeGrom gave up a lot of hits in 2013 because he’s around the strike zone a lot but lacks command at times. He also needs to solidify an out pitch to pair with his low-to-mid-90s heater as his changeup shows potential but his curveball lacks consistency. He’s been durable since returning from Tommy John surgery and his athleticism should help him provide a lot of innings.

The Year Ahead: The Florida native will return to Triple-A to open the 2014 season but is just a phone call away if someone struggles in the bottom half of the Mets’ starting rotation.

The Career Outlook: DeGrom, 25, has the ceiling of a No. 3 or 4 starter, especially if he improves his breaking ball. 

 

#8 Steve Matz | 55/A- (P)


Age G GS IP H HR K/9 BB/9 ERA FIP
22 21 21 106.1 86 4 10.24 3.22 2.62 2.63

The Year in Review: Matz, 22, finally had the year the Mets were waiting for when he made 21 starts and broke the 100-inning threshold. The Tommy John survivor overpowered hitters with 121 strikeouts in 106.1 innings while allowing just four home runs. His control slipped a bit late in the year, which is not surprising considering it was his first full pro season in four years.

The Scouting Report: Matz has very good stuff from the left side. His fastball ranges from 89-94 mph but can occasionally touches the mid-90s. He flashes a solid changeup and has made strides with his curveball. His command and control both need polish but they’re not as bad as you might expect considering he made just six appearances between 2010 and 2012. Matz does a nice job of staying on top of the ball and induces a lot of ground balls to complement his high strikeout rate.

The Year Ahead: The New York native will look to stay healthy for a second straight season when he moves up to High-A ball for 2014. Now 22, the organization may try and push him for Double-A in the second half of the season.

The Career Outlook: If he can avoid the doctor going forward, Matz has the makings of a solid No. 3 starter of high-leverage reliever. If all goes well, he could reach the Majors in late 2015.

 

#9 Gavin Cecchini | 50/SS (SS)


Age PA H 2B HR BB SO SB AVG OBP SLG wOBA
19 212 53 8 0 14 30 2 .273 .319 .314 .303

The Year in Review: The 19-year-old Cecchini was assigned to a short-season club for a second straight season after beginning the year in extended spring training. He managed just eight extra base hits in 51 games but showed improvements at the plate while performing very well in the field.

The Scouting Report: The brother of fellow Top 10 prospect Garin Cecchini (Red Sox), Gavin will reach the Majors on the basis of his defensive skills. He’s a steady and reliable, but unspectacular, defender with good arm strength, above-average actions and solid range for the position. At the plate. the Louisiana native shows 30 grade power and will never hit a ton of extra base hits. He’s fairly aggressive at the plate so he doesn’t walk much either, which will likely result in a low on-base percentage. He could end up hitting in front of the pitcher a lot.

The Year Ahead: Cecchini, who turns 20 in December, should get his first taste of full-season ball in 2014 when he moves up to the South Atlantic League. He’ll look to continue to get stronger with an eye on reaching the Majors by the end of 2016 or some time in 2017.

The Career Outlook: Cecchini has a chance to develop into a solid big league shortstop who hits near the bottom of the batting order. It doesn’t sound sexy but a lot of clubs would be thrilled to trot out a reliable defender with a (potentially) fringe-average bat at the key infield position.

 

#10 Wilmer Flores | 50/MLB (3B)


Age PA BB% K% AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ Off Def WAR
21 101 5.0 % 22.8 % .211 .248 .295 .241 51 -5.9 1.4 -0.2

The Year in Review: Flores’ arrival in the Majors had been highly anticipated since he signed out of Venezuela as a 16-year-old back in 2007. He finally reached The Show in 2013 as a 21-year-old but struggled with a .542 OPS and 23 strikeouts in 27 games. That came on the heels of his best minor league season when he posted an .887 OPS with 55 extra base hits in 107 games at the Triple-A level. Flores spent much of the year in the minors at second base but saw most of his big league action at third base.

The Scouting Report: Formerly a shortstop, Flores now mans the hot corner and could eventually make his way across the diamond to first base due to his large frame and decreasing range. As mentioned, he spent time at second base in the minors but lacks the fluidity to remain there long term. At the plate, he’s an aggressive hitter who has never walked more than 38 times in a full season but he also puts a lot of wood on the ball and doesn’t strike out much — especially for a player with impressive raw power. Flores has started to tap into his power reserve outside of batting practice but he’s currently providing more gap pop than over-the-fence heroics.

The Year Ahead: David Wright is a significant roadblock to playing time at the hot corner in New York. First base could be the easiest route to playing time for Flores but he’ll have to push his way past both Ike Davis and Lucas Duda. More than likely, the young Venezuelan will spend the majority of 2014 back at the Triple-A level, barring a significant injury.

The Career Outlook: Ceiling projections have been tempered for Flores, who was originally heralded as a future perennial all-star. He could be a solid big league third baseman once he puts a few more balls over the fence but if he moves across the diamond he could end up as more of a fringe-average to average first baseman. There’s also a chance to he turns into an offensive-minded utility player capable of playing first, second and third base.

The Next Five:

11. Dilson Herrera: The Pirates have had a lot of success with scouting and signing international free agents in recent years and that could significantly benefit the Mets if Herrera reaches his ceiling. The teenaged second baseman came over to the organization last season (along with No. 15 ranked Vic Black) in the Marlon Byrd swap. Herrera has a chance to develop into an above-average hitting middle infielder with more pop than you’d expect from his modest frame. He’s still a long-term project, though, and is about three years away from reaching the Majors.

12. Michael Fulmer, RHP: Fulmer missed most of 2013 with knee problems but, when healthy, he’s one of the best arms in the system. The right-hander backs up his above-average heater with two other pitches that project to be average or better: a slider and a changeup. The 20-year-old prospect has a big, strong frame and could eventually develop into an innings-eating No. 3 starter if his knee rebounds.

13. Domingo Tapia, RHP: The right-hander can reach triple digits with his heater and backs it up with an average or better breaking ball. However, Tapia doesn’t repeat his delivery, which significantly hampered both his command and control in 2013. He utilizes his 6’4” height to create a downward plane on his heater, which induces a lot of ground-ball outs. Almost exclusively a starter in the minors, the 22-year-old’s big league role will likely be a high-leverage reliever.

14. Brandon Nimmo, OF: Raw even for high school standards when he was drafted, Nimmo continues to be a long-term project.  He’s unusually patient for such an unfinished and inexperienced prospect but the 20-year-old showed his poor pitch recognition by striking out 131 times. At 6’3” 185 lbs, he has a lot of raw left-handed power to tap into but he went deep just twice (with a total of 24 extra base hits) in 395 at-bats in 2013 and is still learning to drive the ball with authority.

15. Vic Black, RHP: Acquired in the same deal that netted the organization Dilson Herrera, Black is an intriguing relief prospect because of his power fastball and ability to overpower hitters when everything is clicking. It remains to be seen, though, if he can command his fastball and throw enough strikes to left-handed hitters to be trusted with ninth-inning duties. He could earn a spot in the Mets’ opening day bullpen with a strong spring showing.





Marc Hulet has been writing at FanGraphs since 2008. His work focuses on prospects and fantasy. Follow him on Twitter @marchulet.

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tommyb
12 years ago

Cesar Puello not in top 15? Three years ago, he is in Top 3, so system has drastically improved. Perhaps Cesar was not in yout TOP 15 due to his abysmal showing in winter ball. I still think he will be an impact player for Mets by 2015 (if not traded) and hence should have been shoe-horned into the top 15. Ahmed Rosario is very early to put in top 15 (much less at #4) – I’d have waited a year, to see how he progresses…hope you are right.

Brendan
12 years ago
Reply to  tommyb

Puello often gets knocked down lists because of his PED suspension. I think he’s top 10 material, but I’m not the one making the list.

David S
12 years ago

I usually like your writing Marc, but this is pretty ugly. Calling DeGrom’s ceiling a 3/4 is a reach as he’s more 4/5 or high leverage reliever. No mention of Flores playing 2B (and some think he can be passable). No mention of Nimmo’s hand/wrist injury and drove the ball well when healthy. Also, Matz (misspelled by the way) is already on the 40-man, and will likely remain on because of his FB, which you undersold his FB (more like 92-94, touching as high as 98).

Josh
12 years ago
Reply to  David S

Have to agree with this. Usually love this analysis but feel like this list is pretty off although I did enjoy the individual writeups.
– No Puello
– Overvalued DeGrom
– Flores should be higher
– Nimmo > Cecchini
– Ynoa and Mateo are better prospects than Tapia now
– Montero too low

Top 5 IMO…
Thor
d’Arnaud
Montero
Flores
Puello

Za
12 years ago
Reply to  David S

I dunno – seemed pretty balanced. DeGrom throws a low to mid 90s sinker and has close to a Major League changeup already. That alone is a backend starter. Considering his peripherals and results in AAA despite his lack of overall pitching experience (51 career starts as a professional), it seems like he could definitely start and be a #3 or #4 if the curveball comes along.

Didn’t mention Flores at 2B or the ankle injuries that held him back at the Major League level. Didn’t mention Nimmo’s wrist injury that had him playing hurt most of the season and raking when healthy. I’ve heard differing velo on Matz; I’ve heard that he sits low 90s and can touch mid 90s but I’ve also heard that he can touch 98. Haven’t seen video of that, though.

And yes, Nimmo and Flores are both much, much better prospects than Gavin Cecchini. That Nimmo isn’t in the top 5, frankly, is egregious. The guy put up a nearly .400 OBP in the most extreme pitchers’ park in Minor League baseball for lefties while playing most of the year with a bum wrist.

And Gabriel Ynoa (SAL pitcher of the year) and Cessa (middle infielder turned pitcher) are both easily better prospects than Domingo Tapia.

Okay, so…not a good list. Haha.

Boom Shakalaka
12 years ago
Reply to  David S

Care to rethink your comments on DeGrom?

Dave
12 years ago

How is Puello not in the top 15? Obviously Syndergaard has passed D’Arnaud in 2013, but when the trade was made, D’Arnaud was the jewel of the trade. And DeGrom is 26 in June. He does not belong in the top 10, maybe not in the top 15.

For Nimmo, I think all Mets fans are waiting to see how much his wrist injury impacted him last year. What can he do if healthy for the full season?

Za
12 years ago
Reply to  Dave

Moreover, it will be nice to see Nimmo’s numbers while not playing at Historic Grayson Park ™. Apparently it’s the worst park in the minors for lefty power. The fact that Nimmo put up as high an OBP as he did while managing his strikeouts (relatively) with a bum wrist shows that there’s definitely a quality player in there somewhere. I’ve heard a Christian Yelich comparison thrown about.

Dave
12 years ago

Also, I’m always amazed that people are willing to put raw prospects like Dom Smith and Rosario up so high when they’re both at least 3-4 years away, where prospects like Flores and Puello are likely to see the majors in 2014 and at least make an impact. I understand the kids have a higher ceiling, but they also may wash out completely.

Simon Daillie
12 years ago
Reply to  Dave

I mostly agree with this critique. How is Puello not in the top 15? Makes no sense to me. Not like fangraphs to be thrown for such a loop by a positive PED test. The kid was destroying AA, which is the second biggest jump in player development. Also, Montero is too low. Ive seen him up close. He has to be ahead of Rosario. I do like the aggressive Dom Smith ranking in a way. The upside from a offensive positional prospect is tantalizing mixed with some professional success – I can see the aggressive ranking with him. NYM have a pretty good system – obviously helped by some trades.

Za
12 years ago
Reply to  Simon Daillie

How about putting Cecchini ahead of Flores and Nimmo? That’s egregious. And Luis Cessa and Gabriel Ynoa are easily better than Domingo Tapia at this point.

Boom Shakalaka
12 years ago
Reply to  Simon Daillie

Actually Puello never had a positive PED test. He was suspended because of involvement with Biogenesis. They are not the same thing mainly for the reason that Biogenesis was closed before the 2013 season which gives some indication that Puello’s improvements this past season were not PED related.

Bomok
12 years ago

Nimmo not in top 10?
Puello not in top 15?
Montero not in top 3?
I love the scouting report on Smith

Franco
12 years ago

A lot of nitpicking above, but solid list/rundown as far as prospect gurus who don’t charge money.

The only valid criticism I see is Puello. He’s an odd omission unless you really penalize guys caught for PEDs.

Zach
12 years ago

No Corey Vaughn?

Dave
12 years ago
Reply to  Zach

no Cory Vaughn. He’s not good. Mets left him off the protected list and he went undrafted in the Rule V.

Brooks
12 years ago
Reply to  Dave

I can see him being a RH bench bat pretty soon though, or perhaps half of a platoon. The dude crushes lefties.

Brooks
12 years ago
Reply to  Brooks

Just looked it up. Cory Vaughn career minor league OPS of .929 and .232 ISO against LH. Including .981 and .234 in AA this year. That will be useful at the major league level. It’s not top 10 worthy but he will at the very least be a RH power bat off the bench. But I think with potential like that against LH he could be half a platoon if his defense is satisfactory.

wmevansMember since 2024
12 years ago

Tough crowd in the comments thread. I think there is an overall point, though, Marc, that the commenters are getting at: it may make sense to lay out your ranking methodology explicitly. How much does proximity to the majors count versus overall upside?

For example, It would be interesting to hear your thinking behind putting Cecchini at #9 while leaving Puello off entirely. Cecchini is years away and, from your writeup, it sounds as if you view him as a glove-only SS at best. (For that matter, if you’re so down on Cecchini — as I am — why not rate Tovar over him, who at least has a plus glove and is much closer to contributing?)

Puello, on the other hand, is a toolbox who mashed in AA and is a plus defender … who never walks. Is it the lack of an eye at the plate (and the low odds of developing one at this stage) that kept him off the list?

attgig
12 years ago
Reply to  wmevans

looks like he grades the prospects on the traditional 20-80 scale – hence the decending numbers for the 1-10 prospects. not necessarily how close they are, but just based on ceiling and likelihood they’ll get to that ceiling.

FeslenR
12 years ago

Puello isn’t in the top 15 because of his past performances, he has the pure abilities, no doubt. But, his lack of plate discipline might end up hurting him in the long run.

Also, possibly, the author of this article disregarded his break out performance as legit because of the PED suspension, who knows.

To me, even without the PED “cloud” hanging over Puello, I want to see one more repeated year for me to believe.

acerimusdux
12 years ago
Reply to  FeslenR

Puello’s past performances were fine. He had a .796 OPS in Kingsport at 18, hit .292 with a .375 OBP in Savannah at 19, and had a solid .751 OPS in the FSL in 2012 at 21. Maybe 2013 is an outlier, but he has a career .777 OPS at this point.

He’s a good defender with a plus arm, who will give you 20+ SB and 10+ HR. Not a future star, but probably still should rank somewhere alongside Flores, ahead of guys like Herrera, Fulmer, and Tapia.

Za
12 years ago
Reply to  acerimusdux

And of course, he’s got 30/30 upside with Gold Glove corner defense. I’ve read accounts that he can also hold his own at CF. He’s quick, has improved his BB rate, has sustained OBP through HBP, has a cannon arm, and enough power to hit the ball 450 feet.

The guy is a toolshed. He’s got a higher upside than Joc Pederson but also a much lower floor.

FeslenR
12 years ago
Reply to  Za

agreed with both of you, honestly.

But, I’ve never been a Puello fan…just a plate discipline freak, I guess. I hope he shines, I really do…the Mets need that impact hitter.

Tvators
12 years ago

No Vaughn, he’s a non prospect, with a famous dad. Rosario and Smith are that high due to their ceilings, not proximity to majors. The funniest criticism was Degrom is not a 3/4, he’s a 4/5….thats some picked nit, you can knock puelo for ped’s, bb/k but id def replace him with tapia, who is all heat at this point

David S
12 years ago
Reply to  Tvators

as the one who wrote that, read the entire sentence. DeGrom has a shot to be a back end starter or high leverage reliever; basically, its no guarantee he can remain a starter. 3/4 is mid-rotation starter, putting DeGrom on par with Montero as a prospect

Dave
12 years ago
Reply to  David S

Based purely on his stats and age, I’d be surprised if DeGrom is a major league starter. He seems like a Colin McHugh type to me.

Josh
12 years ago
Reply to  Dave

He started pitching later in his career so age isn’t as relevant.

Tvators
12 years ago
Reply to  David S

@dave, I actually agree with you but just found it funny your first critic of the “ugly” list was degrom’s ceiling is not a 3/4, its a 4/5. I do think he’s a few spits high but he’s kind being unfairly knocked for his age, converted to pitcher late in college than TJ surgery in 2011, he’s moved pretty quickly considering. Def much more than a mccugh who was a basic 88mph righty,degrom can bring it and should hero out this yr

acerimusdux
12 years ago
Reply to  David S

Degrom is on a par with Montero. He has better size, build, stuff, and upside than Montero. Montero gets the edge due to above average command and pitchability.

David S
12 years ago
Reply to  acerimusdux

they are not on par. DeGrom has a better build with a 60 FB with fringe 50s CU, CB and command/control. Montero has a 55 FB and CU, with a fringe 50 SL to go with 65 control/command. DeGrom’s potential is also why he’s a potential 4/5 or high leverage reliever.

Za
12 years ago
Reply to  David S

DeGrom is bigger than Montero. Montero’s what, 5’11/6’0? DeGrom’s 6’4″. When you’re projecting a guy to pitch 200+ innings, the size is part of that projection.

Brooks
12 years ago
Reply to  Za

Didn’t really seem to hurt Pedro too much. It’s not an absolute.

Zen Madman
12 years ago
Reply to  Za

It really did hurt Pedro, imo. He didn’t have a good year past age 34, despite being one of the all-time best at his peak. Maybe THE best. Size didn’t hurt him in the short run, but it almost definitely hurt him in the long run.

Being smaller doesn’t mean Montero can’t throw as many innings as deGrom, just that he’s more likely to get injured from the effort.

Tvators
12 years ago

Is the byrd trade even better than the dickey trade? Herrera and black for a month of byrd? I’d both pan out that is such a steal. I know thor and tda are 1&2 but dickey coming off cy and signing extension, byrd was minor league signing dealt at end of august

attgig
12 years ago
Reply to  Tvators

dickey trade was better in terms of what we got back. Byrd may have been the better in terms of what we got back for what we gave away, but our future W-L record isn’t based on how good of a deal we got, it’s based on the talent that’s on the roster.

SchmidtXC
12 years ago

I have to agree with the consensus here, I’m not sure how anyone can justify leaving Puello off this list. Even if you don’t think his improved walk rate from last season is something he’ll sustain, he’s still shown enough to think he’ll be a decent major league player in short order.

Christian Migliorese
12 years ago

The lack of Puello is very strange. Also Cecchini even being in the top 15 is sketchy, let alone where you put him. Steve Matz’s ceiling is a #2, and Flores has potential at 2nd. In spring training last year, he didn’t look too bad. He can make similar strides that Murphy made there.

Booyashka
12 years ago

Marc, good list and write-up.

Thank you.

Just note that there is a typo and you are referring to “Steven Matz” as “Steven Marz”.

attgig
12 years ago

and definitely a tough crowd… I think you’re going to get that type of response from mets fans…no matter the write up… just my personal observation.

Franco
12 years ago
Reply to  attgig

I’m going to guess Giant fans are worse than us.

Booyashka
12 years ago

Marc, not sure about this line:

Referring to Synderblock:

“[T]he key to the late 2012 trade that sent former Cy Young award winner R.A. Dickey to Toronto….”

That may be true as of today, but that definitely wasn’t true as of the day the trade was made.

At the time of the trade, Travis D’Arnaud was considered the key prospect in the deal although admittedly since the time of the trade TDA has been injured and struggled in his major league debut while Thor / Synderblock did well in A and then really kicked ass in AA.

Duplicato
12 years ago
Reply to  Booyashka

D’Arnaud may have been the mainstream’s “key to the trade” bc he was way more known, but that doesn’t mean it was necessarily the Met FO’s key to the deal.

Kenz
12 years ago

No Gabriel Ynoa? Not even in the 10-15 range? Honestly though, this is probably the least biased reading of the Mets farm system I’ve read so far.

Marvelous Marv
12 years ago

This is definitely an error:

“The Scouting Report: Formerly a shortstop, [Wilmer] Flores now mans the hot corner and could eventually make his way across the diamond to first base due to his large frame and decreasing range.”

Flores does not “man the hot corner” now.

This year, he played 79 games at second base, 10 at first base, four at third base and 13 as the designated hitter for Las Vegas.

So he is much more of a second baseman than a third baseman.

Best position is probably third, but he’ll only be moved back there if he’s traded by the Mets.

Surprised to see this mistake…I think it is pretty clear even to the casual Mets fan that he is not now manning the hot corner.

Anyway, good article.

J Katz
12 years ago
Reply to  Marvelous Marv

He pretty much exclusively played third after he was called up to the big club. Obviously, he can’t stick there for the Mets but it’s not unfair to say that third was his most recent position.

Za
12 years ago
Reply to  J Katz

Yah – bizarre comment by Marvelous Marv. Wilmer Flores is a 3B who we’ve had playing 2B. He’s got the arm for the position, has played on the right side of the infield, and has a bat that should play there as well. He is most valuable at 3B.

teufelshuffle
12 years ago
Reply to  J Katz

I agree some of the comments have been harsh, but it is wrong to say that his position is 3B now. He played 3B in the majors because Wright was hurt. His position is 2B until he proves he cannot play it (the early returns are split, solid hands but short range). 3B is probably his optimal position, but a lot of his value is tied up in his ability to possibly play 2B or 3B. Not to mention that he plays 2B is an oversight.

Booyashka
12 years ago

Sorry Duplicato, are you saying that contrary to all published reports you are aware that the key to the trade from the perspective of the Mets FO was Syndergaard rather than D’Arnaud?

I think we must assume that all published reports at the time of the trade are accurate unless you are stating that you or Hulet know otherwise?

Duplicato
12 years ago
Reply to  Booyashka

I’m saying that one could easily argue that the Mets would not have done the deal for only D’Arnaud and therefore Noah was the key to the deal. That may not be 100% accurate but to raise an issue bc one believes that D’Arnaud was “the key to the deal” is kinda irrelevant in the scheme of things since it’s unprovable. Those making this point now are simply using D’Arnaud’s far greater renown as evidence.

attgig
12 years ago
Reply to  Duplicato

i think you’re arguing semantics. i think most equate “key” as “centerpiece” and all published reports regarded TDA as the centerpiece – the crux of the trade. Obviously, Sandy likes to get as much in the way of prospects, so TDA alone wasn’t going to cut it, but to argue that Syndergaard was the main course and TDA was the side dish is inaccurate, imo.

Zen Madman
12 years ago
Reply to  attgig

I think it’s perfectly fair to say that TDA was the centerpiece of the trade, but that Syndergaard was the real key. TDA was the obvious guy the trade was built around (besides Dickey, obv), but the key for the Mets was being able to get a high-upside arm as a throw in. That was huge and turned the trade from your garden variety proven-vet-for-a-prospect deal into a heist. So yeah, Syndergaard was the key. A lot of people said that at the time.

Swimmer
12 years ago
Reply to  Booyashka

For everyone’s knowledge, Syndergaard was key to the trade because Dickey would not have been traded if Syndergaard wasn’t included in the deal. D’ Ardnaud would not have been enough.

vivalajeter
12 years ago
Reply to  Swimmer

Sundergaard wouldn’t have been enough either. They would not have made the trade if TDA wasn’t included. So I guess that makes him the key to the trade.

vivalajeter
12 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

And by Sundergaard, I obviously mean Syndergaard.

Booyashka
12 years ago

The more I look at this list, the more I think it is great.

Only criticisms are:

(1) Above comment re Flores is not now “manning the hot corner”.

(2) I don’t think Cecchini is a top 10 system prospect and further I’m not sure he’s top 15. I understand that MLB shortstops are not putting up WAR numbers from the 90s and a good field / semi-decent bat at SS is much more highly valued than it was a 10 years ago, but I’m doubtful Cecchini is that.

(3) I don’t think Domingo Tapia is top 15; he had an up and down year and the control and secondary pitches are suspect.

Replace Cecchini and Tapia with Puello and Ynoa and this is a fantastic list; really I have no other comments and I spend a lot of time reading about the Mets system.

Bien hecho Marc.

Stephen
12 years ago

I love the write-up, Marc, and your insight, as always.

I do have to suggest you take another look at Gabriel Ynoa. This wasn’t an instance of a subpar pitcher who had a good season–he has the tools to back it up. Should be top 10 on any Mets prospects list at this point.

Thanks

Za
12 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

And if you’re going to look at Ynoa, you’ve got to look at Luis Cessa. He’s bigger, throws harder, and put up slightly better peripheral stats.

Mr. Big Swinging D
12 years ago

Duplicato: weak argument. Saying Mets would not have made the trade only for Darnaud and that Syndergaard pushed the deal over the top and therefore Syndergaard is the key is a stretch, I think. Referring to a player as the “key” usually is a reference to the best player (now or in the case of prospects, projected) in a transaction.

Zen Madman
12 years ago

I think TDA was more like the door of the trade, but Syndergaard was the key.

Booyashka
12 years ago

Attgig: Agreed 100%.

Mr. Big Swinging Dick: Agreed 100%.

Best way of phrasing was the way that Attgig said, which is to say that the “key” is usually the player who is the centerpiece and by all accounts TDA was the centerpiece.

Having said that, as Attgig correctly pointed out Alderson wasn’t doing a R.A. Dickey for TDA deal straight-up after Dickey just won the Cy Young so Synderblock or Aaron Sanchez was going to have to ride shotgun with a third piece as something of a lottery ticket (which turned out to be Wuilmer Becerra.

But Synderblock was not the “key” to the trade if the word is being used in its typical fashion in this context: centerpiece.

flubs
12 years ago

still waiting for a sucessful prospect from the Sandy camp that wasnt a product of the assets of the Omar era. Thor, flores, travis, wheeler, harvey, montero all from Omar assets and drafts. plawecki is the only productive one so far. Nimmo and cecchini stink so far.

eDaPS
12 years ago
Reply to  flubs

Alderson and Co.’s first draft was 2011 and 4 of their 5 first-round/sup first-round picks were HS players. It’s still a little early to be expecting results.

That being said, all five are in this top 15. Also, Montero was signed by Alderson, as was Rosario, and both are in this top ten.

flubs
12 years ago
Reply to  eDaPS

my mistake on monero, but 4 years is a long time. still no results. most of his prospect in top 15 are based on where they were picked. He gets credit for trading Omar’s assets as well as pulling off a nice trade for 2 months of byrd. Still disappointing considering this dream team’s so called great track record.

Matt
12 years ago
Reply to  eDaPS

How is that a good thing? A fully rebuilding club with no farm system should at best be drafting %50 HSers in the first 5 rounds. This team has long needed talent close to the majors, and getting guys like Nimmo, Cecchini and Smith just seems like moving the finish line to way in the future. Seriously, this team has ONE position player in the top 10 that hasn’t already debuted with a chance to help in the next two years. That’s a terrible way to rebuild if you ask me.

Sylvan
12 years ago
Reply to  flubs

Montero was signed by Sandy, although early enough in his tenure that we can presume some of the groundwork was laid under Omar.

Anyway, it’s only been 3 years. if you look at Omar’s tenure, after 3 years the only prospects he’d graduated were a ROOGY, Joe Smith, and a sub-replacement-level (to that point in his career) starting pitcher, Mike Pelfrey. And the farm system at that point was a horrifying wasteland headlined by the likes of Fernando Martinez, Deolis Guerra, Kevin Mulvey, and Eddie Kunz.

The first Omar prospect to have a firmly above average (3.5 WAR or better) season was Harvey in 2013, which would have been the 9th year of Omar’s tenure if he hadn’t been fired by then.

Developing young talent generally takes time. And, by the way, the fact that Sandy has turned Omar-era assets into Thor, Travis, and Wheeler is a good thing.

David S
12 years ago
Reply to  flubs

Thor, travis, wheeler, and montero were all brought in by Sandy. also, nimmo was 27% better than the competition as a 20 yo who played 2/3 of the season with a bum wrist

flubs
12 years ago
Reply to  David S

with Omar assets. Omar signed beltran & dickey.

Josh
12 years ago
Reply to  flubs

Well that’s a stupid argument. So Sandy should have started with no assets?

flubs
12 years ago
Reply to  flubs

not saying that, but what assets has he aquired? draft bust, FA busts…only talent he has is what Omar brought in.

JAMill
12 years ago
Reply to  flubs

This is a ridiculous and stupid argument.

By that logic Omar started out with assets brought in by Jim Duquette who brought in assets by Steve Phillips.

If you’re referring to FA signing “assets” then this was the first offseason where he was actually able to spend money.

Za
12 years ago
Reply to  flubs

There’s no way I can down vote this several times? Do you not understand how front offices work? What kind of arbitrary system are you using? Thor, Travis, Wheeler, and Plawecki are all clearly “Sandy” acquisitions and Nimmo has crushed the ball when healthy (see .397 OBP, 127 wRC+ while playing most of the season with a broken hand). Cecchini looks like a bust, I agree.

Also, how is Plawecki, then, not a “product of the assets of the Omar era” seeing as that he’s a compensation pick for Reyes?

Come freaking on.

apforman1Member since 2024
12 years ago
Reply to  flubs

I’ll give it to you that Cecchini has “stunk” all the while plagued by injuries. I would have to disagree on Nimmo. He’ll be 21, starting next year in the FSL. He was incredibly raw coming in when he was drafted. Last season he was hampered by a hand injury that really drained his power. He absolutely needs to cut down on the strikeouts but keep in mind in his first experience at full season ball he had a .397 OBP. Side note – Savannah’s home stadium is the worst in all of the minor leagues for hitters which did Nimmo no favors in the power department.

Tvators
12 years ago

They don’t stink, they are extremely young and raw and have played in extreme pitching friendly leagues and environments. This its a big year for both to make strides and show improvement

Za
12 years ago
Reply to  Tvators

Nimmo’s done pretty well – he’s shown that he can make contact with authority and that he has a ridiculous eye at the plate. Cecchini’s really shown us nothing yet and I’m concerned with that pick.

Matt
12 years ago
Reply to  Tvators

It was a bad pick from the start. A fully rebuilding team needs players with either a higher ceiling or a shorter path to the majors. Nimmo has a middling ceiling and a slow route to the majors. Cecchini is a nobody. And as much as I like Dom Smith’s projection, he went one pick ahead of DJ Peterson who could be up in the bigs for us THIS season if we had him. The Mets have had very poor situational drafting, and a stunted rebuild because of it.

JAMill
12 years ago
Reply to  Matt

When Nimmo was drafted he was seen as a boom or bust 5 tool potential prospect. Seeing as he is only entering his age-21 season and will be entering High A it’s unfair to label him “a bust”.

The MLB Draft may be the biggest crapshoot out of any draft in professional sports, you can’t look at Nimmo as a bad pick because you have the benefit of 3 years of hindsight.

Booyashka
12 years ago

Flubs, I think you are kind of half right and so that means I would agree with you to some extent.

But you would have to acknowledge that Sandy did trade Beltran for Wheeler and R.A. Dickey for D’Arnaud and Syndergaard; on that part I’d disagree with you.

The drafting has been weak though and this is where we agree: I expected a lot more from Alderson, Ricciardi, and D3PO.

This article by Will Leitch calling Alderson the best GM is a joke:

http://nymag.com/news/articles/reasonstoloveny/2013/sandy-alderson/

What about Mozeliak? Beane? Andrew Friedman? Cherington? AA? Wren? Theo? Dombrowski (other than the Fister trade lol)? Jon Daniels? Jocketty?

Alderson? No way. I just came up with 10 that I think are better.

flubs
12 years ago
Reply to  Booyashka

I’m not saying sandy didnt make the most of omar’s assets. he made a great trade for dickey (omar find on a minor league deal) and beltran (obbious stud) he has been weak in the FA signings (I know limited by the wilpons) but the ones he signed have been mostly busts with the exception of byrd. the bullpen has been a disaster after 2 attempts to rebuild it and his drafting has been disappointing at best. I know the draft is a chapshoot, but they went out on a limb early in the draft a few times and looks like they missed.

Josh
12 years ago
Reply to  Booyashka

AA? lol yeah he’s been great.

Beno Harris
12 years ago

There was a time when the Mets system was totally overrated. Those days long ****ing over. It’s almost like nobody notices how much pitching this organization has. Am I missing something here? You have a legitimate top 10 player in David Wright, possible franchise two way catcher, as athletic outfield as they come, then have Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard plus throwing seeds into the 2020’s. Get a real shortstop and that team could be really dangerous.

What the **** is with all the doom and gloom? Holy Toledo, I just don’t get it.

Sylvan
12 years ago
Reply to  Beno Harris

Harvey having Tommy John just when the doom and gloom was beginning to subside really let the air out of the balloon. I agree, though, the future is still bright.

Matt
12 years ago
Reply to  Beno Harris

This isn’t the same landscape as 5-10 years ago, pitching is now cheaper and easier to acquire. Power is scarce, and the Mets have no position players outside of TDA who look to make an impact in the majors until maaaaaaaaybe Dom Smith in late 2016. The farm system is overrated now if anything.

Wobatus
12 years ago
Reply to  Matt

Puello could be an impact player, Flores if he can play second. Plawecki by 2015 maybe. If by impact you mean a catcher who can spell D’Arnaud.

JAMill
12 years ago
Reply to  Beno Harris

System has to produce. For now we can still project our hopes and dreams Wheeler, Syndergaard, Mejia, etc.

If these guys hit their ceilings then the system will get more respect.

I agree though, I think the conventional wisdom (which puts the system in the middle of the pack) is a tad underrated.

Sylvan
12 years ago

Nice work, Marc!

One quibble I would make is that I think you’re too low on Nimmo, whose strikeout problems are greatly exaggerated by the middle months he spent visibly fighting his way through a hand injury. We’re going to see a different player this spring.

eDaPS
12 years ago
Reply to  Sylvan

Agreed! People seem to forget how ridiculous he was doing before his wrist injury essentially derailed the rest of his season. I feel like it’s going to be a big year for Nimmo.

diehardmets
12 years ago
Reply to  Sylvan

Yeah I definitely agree with this. I think Nimmo is going to have a big breakout year in 2014.

Wobatus
12 years ago
Reply to  diehardmets

I think 2015 is more likely if he breaks out. Binghamton is more hitter-friendly than FSL and he still needs time.

steve
12 years ago

EVERYONE knows that John Buck was the key to that deal… duh.

vivalajeter
12 years ago
Reply to  steve

And he was also the key to the deal later in the year, that netted them #11 and #15. The Pirates would NOT have done that deal for just Marlon Byrd!

Wibbles Coobles
12 years ago

The list has more of the right players on it than not, listed in a highly debatable order. Not much else.

Mets fans are going to be over-sensitive about our prospects, since they’re all we’ve got, but the list lacks a lot of insights that are common knowledge, and seems to mirror the BA reports pretty closely (no Puello, ridiculously over-selling Rosario).

Vlad the Impaler
12 years ago

Wow, yet another underrated system according to Marc.
It’s a shame that his reliance on getting information from 30 team officials can’t allow him to objectively call a mediocre system what it is.

Vlad the Impaler
12 years ago

Gavin Cecchini is never going to make the majors with that offensive profile. He’s not the second coming of Ozzie Smith. Those numbers were in short-season ball for him, not even AA or AAA.

Brooks
12 years ago

Not having Nimmo in the top 10 is very sketchy to me. Especially when Cecchini is in there. We’re talking about a kid who was one of the two or three best 19 year-olds in the NY-Penn league in 2012, hitting for decent power in a park where no left-hander hits for power. And then putting up a 127 wRC+ in his first stint in full season ball as a 20 year-old, while battling a hand injury. I mean, what else more does the kid need to do. What is it because he strikes out a lot?

D’Arnaud gets a bum rap because he hit only .202. This is a kid who missed most of 2012 and the beginning of 2013, and then thrown into the major leagues after only a little over a hundred plate appearances in the minors. Let’s give the kid a little bit of a learning curve. A little early to be judging him. Let’s see how he does out of the gate in 2014. His last 40 at bats this year he went .300/.387, so perhaps he was starting to figure it out. The power will come.

And here is my crazy prediction. Rafael Montero (who is too low on this list) will be better than Zack Wheeler. There is nothing that compares to the ability to command all of your pitches as Montero does. It trumps all. As his off speed offerings improve he will be that much more dangerous. It is no coincidence that his HR rate was .41, in the PCL no less. When the ball isn’t ever in the middle of the plate, it’s pretty tough to hit it out. Watching him on tv in spring training earlier this year, his command is really as advertised. It’s quite remarkable. He can hit the inside corner like nobody’s business.

Platanero
12 years ago

Good work Marc. I agree with most of the list. Though like most everyone else I thought Puello should’ve made the top 10, and I’m really not high on Cecchini at all. I always felt the Mets drafted for need with the Cecchini pick rather than best player available, because the Mets were thin on shortstop prospects at the time. I know hindsight is 20/20 but we could have used that pick to draft Corey Seager who is now one of the Dodgers best prospects and was selected just a few picks after Cecchini. Michael Wacha was selected in that same range as well.

All in all, I feel the Mets system is improving, and I was really encouraged with the approach they took in this year’s draft. I hope they do the same in the 2014 MLB draft.

Wobatus
12 years ago
Reply to  Platanero

Sure, now I’d prefer Wacha or Seager. But Seager I think is less likely to stick at ss, no?

And I think it is very early to judge Cecchini. He’s the same age as a sophomore and had a 94 wRC+. If he advances a level a year he’s 23 to start AAA, the same age as Brad Miller this year, not to compare them as players. I get the frustration with where he was picked but he could still be a decent major league player, a Darwin Barney or Jamey Carroll type, but it’s too early to say if he can even be that good (2 WAR type) or that he can’t be much better.

Platanero
12 years ago
Reply to  Wobatus

I know its early on Cecchini but even going into that draft, every scouting report on him stated he had a very limited ceiling, which makes it even more of a head scratcher why we would pick him that high. I’ve also heard that Seager will likely have to move off SS, probably to 3B where he would be blocked in our organization. But he would still make for a strong trade chip to get a big bat at a different position from another team. That’s why minor league experts always say teams should draft the best player available, rather than drafting for need. I just feel you don’t draft the next Darwin Barney or Jamey Carroll type in the first round of the draft, when you can find guys with that profile much later in the draft and spend significantly less dollars to sign them. With your #1 pick, you should be trying to draft a franchise type player, regardless of position.

Johnny Thunder
12 years ago

In the 2013 list Marc listed d’Arnaud as the #2 prospect and Syndergaard as the #3 prospect.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/new-york-mets-top-15-prospects-2012-13/

If you checked most Mets prospect lists that were put out after the Dickey trade, but before the season started, the vast majority would have listed d’Arnaud higher. That’s the way Metsmerized did it and Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com did too. Sickels gave them the same grade but listed d’Arnaud first, Wheeler second and Syndergaard third so it wasn’t alphabetical order.

Baseball Prospectus had d’Arnaud over Syndergaard as did Keith Law. Ditto for Amazin’ Avenue.

Here’s one list, published on December 19th, that had Syndergaard higher:

“For the Mets, d’Arnaud was much more important as he filled a position of dire need. The Mets have solid pitching at the major league level, several very good pitching prospects and hardly a starting-caliber catcher in sight. But five to seven years from now, I expect Syndergaard to be a more valuable player.”
http://mets360.com/?p=13861

Baseball Splits (Twitter)
12 years ago

Wilmer Flores was the 6th youngest player to appear in the National League last season, and he posted a 129 wRC+ in Triple-A as a 21 year-old (going on 22). Say what you want about his defense, but he should be higher purely based on hitting ability as one of the younger players at his level.

TexasGusCC
12 years ago

In the past, players like Mike Olt were given favorable rankings because of their hitting despite not having a defensive strength. Why isn’t Flores afforded that respect?

Spa City
12 years ago

Does anybody know when Noah Syndergaard’s Tommy John surgery is scheduled?

Daniel
12 years ago

It’s hilarious now reading Dave proclaim deGrom as a backend starter based off his age and stats last year

SlickRick
11 years ago

More hilarious is that Dilson Herrera was considered 3 years away from the majors… LOL