2014 World Series Game Four Live Blog
| 7:58 |
: Hey everyone! I’ll be handling the live blog duties this evening. If you don’t know who I am, we have like four hours to get acquainted. First time chatting along with a game since joining FG, so we’ll see how it goes!
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| 7:59 |
: Mo’Ne is awesome.
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| 7:59 |
Why no Library update this week? |
| 8:00 |
: There was! Sorry, the IG post just didn’t run. Pitch F/X resources were updated to include Savant, etc.
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| 8:00 |
Got a rooting interest tonight? |
| 8:00 |
: I’m a Tigers fan, so the Tigers have inflicted pain, and seeing the Royals do well is confusing. So just hoping for good baseball
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| 8:02 |
This expect this live blog to be the best part of my day. No pressure. |
| 8:02 |
: That seems like a lot of pressure!
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| 8:02 |
Is starting Vogelsong the right decision (over MadBum on shrot rest or Petit)? |
| 8:03 |
: I think Vogey is fine here because he and Petit are going to split the game, I would imagine. Order doesn’t matter too much, probably. I think full rest for Madison tomorrow and relief in Game 7 is a slightly better move. But some of that depends on his physical condition, which I dont know
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| 8:03 |
I have calculus finals two days from now… I should be studying, instead I’m watching WS Game 4… What can I do? I love baseball too much |
| 8:04 |
: Important to integrate your hobbies. Zing.
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| 8:04 |
whatever you derive enjoyment from, do that |
| 8:04 |
: Calculus jokes FTW
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| 8:05 |
: Appears as if Jeff Z. is joining us, although I cannot confirm these reports.
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| 8:05 |
: Hi everyone, I will jump in and help Neil while rooting for the Royals. If I disappear when Yost does something stupid, I probably went for another beer.
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| 8:06 |
: I may be a bit slow, I spent the after watching K-State shut out Texas in the sun
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| 8:07 |
How big a factor was the first letter of his last name in the determination of starting Vogelsong tonight? |
| 8:08 |
: Seems pretty important! Two V’s
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| 8:08 |
: Still worst graphic ever.
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| 8:09 |
Seems like a waste of resources to spray paint the positions on the field like that. |
| 8:09 |
What happens if you both select the same comment to publish at the same time? Chaos I assume. |
| 8:09 |
: Especially with all the shifting
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| 8:09 |
Would it have been advisable for Bochy to start Bumgarner and limit him 70 pitchers for 5 innings (two times through the order) and bring him back in Game 7. Better than starting Vogelsong right? |
| 8:10 |
: I’m not so sure. He’ll pitch in game 5 for sure and game 7 if they get there. Not sure tired Bumgarner is better than the alternative.
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| 8:10 |
two Vs makes a W … now it all makes sense |
| 8:11 |
Are you related to Max Weinberg? |
| 8:11 |
: No, but I tell people he’s my uncle as a joke.
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| 8:11 |
Haha I would too |
| 8:11 |
: Nice receiving from Posey.
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| 8:12 |
That entire area around 1st looks soggy as can be, wonder if the story is true. |
| 8:12 |
: Beat guys said they watered heavily.
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| 8:13 |
Jeff, did you go to get a beer already? |
| 8:13 |
: I think it’s pretty funny that they rotated a guy to the replay booth. He flew to another city even though dozens of umpires are at home
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| 8:13 |
Looking at the Giants bench, I think the second pinch hitter after Morse should be Bumgarner |
| 8:13 |
: At least it isn’t the Tigers bench.
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| 8:13 |
: I started with one, but I am used to the team not hitting.
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| 8:15 |
For those interested: Ted Barrett calls basically a perfect zone against righties, and a little low against lefties (with the lefty strike) |
| 8:15 |
That’s using jeff’s site! |
| 8:15 |
: Thanks
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| 8:16 |
Are you related to this guy Josh Weinberg I new in 7th grade? This was in Miami. |
| 8:16 |
: I am not, but we can play this game long enough and find a relative.
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| 8:17 |
Jeff; your site seems so great, but it’s extremely hard to use, IMO. Can you do a piece explaining how everything works? Thanks. |
| 8:18 |
: I usually the info is at the bottom or an original article, but I agree. I have a ton to do like get out the 2014 DL data.
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| 8:18 |
It’s not actually against the rules to do something like pack the dirt looser to slow down the opponent’s running game is it? |
| 8:18 |
: No, I don’t think so.
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| 8:19 |
: Teams often cut the grass to help their style of play
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| 8:19 |
: No, teams will not cut the grass with groundball pitchers
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| 8:21 |
Apologies if this has been asked before but what in the world is that bunting-covered section in the left field corner? Something for press? |
| 8:21 |
: I think there’s an aux press box out there. Anyone confirm?
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| 8:22 |
yep, indeed it is. |
| 8:22 |
Confirm |
| 8:22 |
The Royals love bunting so much they had one put up in San Francisco |
| 8:22 |
They had to remove every second row to put the tables in for the press |
| 8:23 |
: Not good.
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| 8:23 |
: That was almost a disaster twice.
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| 8:24 |
Wow look at that hang time |
| 8:25 |
Director: Zoom in on that dirt! Enhance! I want more dirt shots, dammit! |
| 8:25 |
: Good reminder about hard baseball is: The swing Posey took on that first pitch against an average pitcher.
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| 8:27 |
Might as well steal home now |
| 8:27 |
How much could we raise if we began a Kickstarter to put MGL in the FOX booth for one game. |
| 8:27 |
: I would watch that, but I think it would end in a fist fight pretty quickly.
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| 8:27 |
: Not sure, but I would love to have different audio feeds, especially the home and away radio feeds
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| 8:28 |
MGL and Curt Schilling |
| 8:28 |
: Runs will be difficult to score against both #4 pitchers, based on the first innings, per announcers.
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| 8:29 |
: Jeez, I am pretty ready for beer two now
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| 8:29 |
MGL, Tom Tango, and any of you guys for broadcasters please. |
| 8:30 |
: I would not be good, too many uuhhhh’s between words
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| 8:30 |
: Would be a lot of dead air, though
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| 8:30 |
: No one wants to hear my voice.
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| 8:30 |
Sorry but who is MGL? |
| 8:30 |
: Mitchell Lichtman
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| 8:30 |
better than what HR has to offer!! |
| 8:31 |
No it doesn’t work unless they keep HR |
| 8:31 |
: Sabermetric researcher, co-author of The Book
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| 8:31 |
: That was a weird play.
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| 8:31 |
: I’m not sure anyone did anything wrong, is Pence just blazing fast?
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| 8:32 |
: Moose froze the runner, but that half second cost him.
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| 8:32 |
Looked like infante had to reach a little bit too |
| 8:32 |
Pence almost never gets doubled up, quite fast out of the box |
| 8:32 |
: Biggio, 1997. Go look at his stat line. No GIDP.
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| 8:32 |
: Pence has decent speed. I would love to know Pence to 1B on that hit.
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| 8:32 |
Pence isn’t that fast. He just does this weird thing where he slows everyone else down. |
| 8:33 |
: I bet we get StatCast on that
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| 8:33 |
: I was about to link this!
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| 8:34 |
When will statcast make it’s way into the broadcasts? |
| 8:34 |
: Yeah, MLB will make sure it does even if the broadcasters don’t love it
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| 8:34 |
The people I usually text my snarky remarks about games aren’t watching anymore so you guys are going to have to put up with me. |
| 8:34 |
: Fair.
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| 8:37 |
: Shift works. Feel obligated to point it out because broadcasters only say when it fails
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| 8:38 |
Eno has been talking about Vogelsong’s increased velocity in the postseason. Is it fair to raise his baseline expectation based on the increased velo? |
| 8:38 |
: Probably a bit.
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| 8:39 |
: On that replay, Infante’s throwing hand needs to be closer to the glove when receiving
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| 8:39 |
Wish broadcasters would use defensive metrics more accurately and often too. When will DRS/UZR incorporate shifts? |
| 8:39 |
: I think they want to fix that this offseason, but I don’t know if it’s for sure
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| 8:40 |
: They wont’ without doing it first during the season.
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| 8:41 |
: I thought he broke that on his back but the ball did it
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| 8:41 |
while everyone on campus is out in Halloween costumes, ive decided to remain in and watch baseball. dedication right there. |
| 8:41 |
: #Hero
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| 8:42 |
Maybe it’s too much to expect Bumgarner to pitch on short rest, but then again, this IS the World Series. |
| 8:42 |
: It’s about who will be most effective.
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| 8:42 |
: You don’t hold him back to protect him, you do it because pitchers do worse on short rest
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| 8:43 |
: I have no problem with it.
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| 8:43 |
What is the classification of short rest? 3 days? Because Bumgarner has pitched a ton on 4 days rest and has been good http://www.baseball-referen… |
| 8:43 |
: 3 days.
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| 8:44 |
should have pinch hit herrera there |
| 8:44 |
: Raining? This could get interesting.
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| 8:45 |
If this goes into a delay I’m going to be kinda bummed |
| 8:45 |
: If there is a two hour rain delay this chat will continue.
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| 8:46 |
Rain in the forecast was an additional risk to starting Bumgarner on short rest. |
| 8:46 |
What’s your favorite kind of soup? |
| 8:47 |
: French Onion
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| 8:47 |
: I like this sausage/potato/kale thing. Or chicken noodle
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| 8:47 |
: SoupGraphs
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| 8:47 |
I would read soupgraphs. Get it going. |
| 8:48 |
: Why do you think we’ve removing NotGraphs? Room for soup!
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| 8:48 |
If you start analyzing desserts you could call it pie graphs |
| 8:48 |
: Pozole
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| 8:49 |
: /remembers there is baseball on TV, stops thinking about soup
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| 8:50 |
: My eyes !!!!!!!!!!!! That shirt
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| 8:50 |
: That ball was too easy to catch. Wanted Dyson to do something crazy
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| 8:50 |
Neil, do you read any Bless You Boys? |
| 8:51 |
: Marlins man with a twisted hat
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| 8:51 |
My wife said the same thing Jeff. You have an excellent sense of feminine fashionability. |
| 8:51 |
Who advised Erin Andrews that “homely” was the best look? |
| 8:51 |
: For sure. They are my favorite Tigers blog that I don’t own.
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| 8:51 |
dont look at the shirt, jeff |
| 8:52 |
: I would love MLB to institute the double base at first like in softball, just for the hot takes.
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| 8:52 |
“favorite Tigers blog that I don’t own”… I picture you as a blog mogul now Neil. |
| 8:52 |
: Agree
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| 8:52 |
it takes real passion to wear a grandmother sweater on National TV |
| 8:52 |
Yeah – eyes up top, JEFF! |
| 8:52 |
That’s my number one currently desired rule change. The basepath is defined as outside the foul line from home to first so why should you have to run back into play to touch the base! |
| 8:53 |
: The base line at first is so weird.
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| 8:54 |
Empire going to be great or terrible? Really can’t tell. |
| 8:54 |
: I think terrible?
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| 8:54 |
Is Gotham actually good |
| 8:54 |
: Watched one ep, will watch another. TVGraphs
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| 8:55 |
: AL Pitcher Hitting TM
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| 8:55 |
What about a blog for the artistic appreciation of statistical estimators: GraphGraphs |
| 8:56 |
This has been a productive few innings. We’ve created SoupGraphs, TVGraphs, GraphGraphs, and PieGraphs. |
| 8:56 |
: Can’t tell if sarcasm or genuine happiness
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| 8:57 |
: Super at bat by Vargas
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| 8:57 |
: I retract my joke about Vargas hitting
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| 8:58 |
: Second time through the order starts now. Gotta be ready to get Petit up if things get dicey
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| 8:58 |
Vargas to an NL team? |
| 8:58 |
: Royals think they are an NL team, so it’s cool. Zing!
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| 8:59 |
We’re possibly 26 or so hours away from the death of NotGraphs 🙁 |
| 8:59 |
: It’s getting a non-FG home!
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| 8:59 |
“Good bullpen session” is the in-season equivalent of “best shape of my life” and “added a new pitch.” |
| 8:59 |
When was the last time someone had a BAD bullpen session? It’s like saying the “surgery went well” |
| 8:59 |
: Marlins man covers up
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| 9:00 |
: Fun fact, I would argue Miguel Cabrera turns 3-6-3 better than anyone
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| 9:00 |
” It’s getting a non-FG home!” For real? Did I miss this? Where’s it going or TBA? |
| 9:00 |
bank notes harpa! |
| 9:01 |
Freeman and Simmons turn a mean DP I would argue as well 🙂 |
| 9:02 |
: I almost thought FOX was showing us a direct shot of the sun
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| 9:03 |
: I think you might have to PH for Vogey to start the 3rd, but odds of that are really low.
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| 9:03 |
: My kids are headed to bed, they will no longer cover up HR and JB. Time to get annoyed
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| 9:03 |
Can we switch Lavar Burton for Harold Reynolds? |
| 9:03 |
: My niece met him last week! Was adorable
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| 9:03 |
: Good throw? It was off by 3-4 feet
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| 9:04 |
: It was the proper height!
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| 9:04 |
not good throw! |
| 9:04 |
Reynolds couldn’t be wronger, that was a bad throw by Posey. |
| 9:04 |
Horrible throw! Disaster averted by an inch. |
| 9:05 |
: Agree Neil.
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| 9:05 |
he threw it to the correct base, therefore gold star, good throw |
| 9:06 |
: I would double switch in Petit right here, but I am not “allowed to make lineup changes” because I’m a blogger
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| 9:06 |
: In Play, Run(s)
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| 9:06 |
ugly play by vogelsong there. Have to know where the base is. |
| 9:06 |
VOGELSONG WHAT’RE YOU DOING?!? COVER |
| 9:06 |
: Well then
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| 9:07 |
That’s why they need the safety bag right there! |
| 9:07 |
: Vogey needs to look to the base, then Belt, then back to the base. Just had no idea where he was
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| 9:08 |
I don’t understand why the running lane to first is completely in foul territory, but the base is completely in fair territory. |
| 9:09 |
Vogy has been bad since Marlins guy poncho’d up |
| 9:09 |
: For real, Petit should have pitched to the lefties.
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| 9:10 |
Neil, its the third inning. You really want to go to the pen this early? |
| 9:10 |
: Yeah. He’s also due up first next inning
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| 9:10 |
: I think the Giants wanted to PH for Volgy. I would bring in another RP and then PH for them
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| 9:11 |
: good move with Machi
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| 9:11 |
: Yeah, that works too. Either way, he needs to come out before he bats
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| 9:12 |
Did Bruce Bochy shave? When did this happen? |
| 9:12 |
are those sliding sounds real or pumped in by some sound tech? |
| 9:12 |
: mics on the base
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| 9:13 |
| 9:13 |
: In Play, Run(s)
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| 9:13 |
: You don’t often see Bochy get caught like that.
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| 9:14 |
I wonder if America is ready for Infante, World Series MVP. |
| 9:14 |
He’s an inspiration for little infants everywhere |
| 9:14 |
: Wow he really doesn’t want to burn a reliever.
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| 9:15 |
: Not good when Perez can’t find 1 of 3 pitches to swing at
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| 9:16 |
How many 3-0 counts you think Perez has had this year? |
| 9:16 |
: 15 I think?
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| 9:16 |
Bochy: best manager ev – woops |
| 9:16 |
SALVY |
| 9:16 |
Bruce Yostchy |
| 9:17 |
none of this is happening if Josh Willingham’s 9th inning bloop goes foul in the wildcard game |
| 9:18 |
: WE is 81.8% for Royals.
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| 9:18 |
“Neil, its the third inning. You really want to go to the pen this early?” Maybe that would’ve been a good idea. |
| 9:19 |
“none of this is happening if Josh Willingham’s 9th inning bloop goes foul in the wildcard game” – Post Hoc Fallacy |
| 9:19 |
: Not really, because the Royals would have been eliminated right?
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| 9:19 |
: Or was there one out?
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| 9:20 |
: Oh right, foul/fair, not caught/lands
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| 9:20 |
No Strickland here? |
| 9:21 |
: Royals fan ^^^
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| 9:21 |
: Throw fire at a fire
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| 9:22 |
It’s Dyson. Even Strickland could keep that in the park |
| 9:22 |
: Famous last words 🙂
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| 9:22 |
This series needs to feature a Dyson splash hit to complete the weirdness. |
| 9:23 |
: Or a Vargas slam
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| 9:23 |
Or a Vargas one |
| 9:23 |
either way: fair/foul, caught/lands, it’s Post Hoc fallacy |
| 9:24 |
: Yeah, I was misremembering the situation.
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| 9:24 |
Pitchers Dyson has homered off of: Kevin Slowey, Dan Haren, Phil Hughes, Dylan Axelrod |
| 9:24 |
: So many comments about Vargas HR
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| 9:25 |
The Royals should pinch hit here, right? |
| 9:25 |
: I think, technically, yes.
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| 9:26 |
Pinch hit who? The mighty Aoki? |
| 9:26 |
: That was fun.
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| 9:27 |
XD Vargas freezing = I WANT THAT GIF/PIC |
| 9:27 |
: I think we all do
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| 9:27 |
: Might need Sullivan to do a Vargas hitting post.
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| 9:29 |
: Wife opened bag of pretzels. Dog woke up immediately.
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| 9:29 |
If the Royals win tonight, what are the odds of getting to Game 6? Game 7? |
| 9:29 |
: 50/50, then like 25/75
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| 9:30 |
I can accurately measure the current leverage index by whether or not my dog decides he needs to go outside. |
| 9:30 |
: this is so true
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| 9:32 |
: See, keeping Volgy in was so worth it.
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| 9:33 |
: Royals in same spot. Get Duffy/Finnegan up now.
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| 9:33 |
Should have brought in Danny Duffy so we get to hear the analysts talk about the first ever Duffy v Duffy in the world series. |
| 9:34 |
: Dog has moved on top of me. Confirms importance of moment in the game.
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| 9:35 |
I think Bochy stuck with Vogelsong because he saw today’s FG article about Vogelson’s velocity– this is what paying attention to the statheads does! |
| 9:35 |
: Our bad.
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| 9:35 |
: #blameEno
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| 9:36 |
Completely unrealistic for Twins fans to hope for Maddon as the next manager? |
| 9:36 |
: Not crazy.
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| 9:36 |
: Not likely, but not crazy.
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| 9:36 |
: I think so, but hope away
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| 9:37 |
Do the Royals have a long relief guy available? It would probably be preferable to Herrera throwing 30 pitches again, right? |
| 9:37 |
: Duffy
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| 9:38 |
You go Wade Davis for 2 innings tonight if needed no? |
| 9:38 |
: Yes.
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| 9:38 |
Dog is asleep. Nothing exciting will happen. Expect a bathroom break if Buster singles |
| 9:38 |
: Get the leash.
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| 9:39 |
: Pence is gonna tie it.
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| 9:39 |
: That’s how Pence works.
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| 9:39 |
is it just me or is it weird that Yost turns to Herrara for over 1 inning more than Davis? Seems Davis would be the obvious choice for longer relief outings. |
| 9:40 |
: Supposedly Davis likes the idea of one inning only, but that might not be true
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| 9:40 |
: Herrera recovers faster according to the pitchers and Yost
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| 9:40 |
: So, I don’t want to be that guy, but I recommended they have someone warming this inning.
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| 9:41 |
It’s a good thing the Dodgers didn’t make it to play the royals. There would be dozens of bench clearing brawls between Mattingly’s hypersensitivity and the Royals tendency to pitch up and in. |
| 9:41 |
: Collins?!
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| 9:41 |
: Timmah !!!!
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| 9:42 |
: Panda has been watching too many Perez at bats
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| 9:42 |
: Not exactly a good at bat. Or an okay one.
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| 9:43 |
At some point you’d think Panda would be better off just facing lefties from the left side? |
| 9:43 |
Who likes golf ball pitches more–Panda or Vlad? |
| 9:43 |
So during the break, what do you think of Ray owner Stuart Sternberg’s comments about moving the team to Montreal? |
| 9:44 |
: Probably just trying to get a new stadium in TB
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| 9:44 |
What comes first, Rays move or expansion? |
| 9:45 |
: Expansion, Rays will get a new park but stay in TB, if I’m betting
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| 9:45 |
it just seems clear that TB area isn’t capable of supporting a team. I wish they would move. |
| 9:45 |
: Aren’t their TV ratings good?
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| 9:45 |
Only 3 innings complete and almost 2 hours in? Hope those AFL rules get implemented. |
| 9:45 |
: Park is lame and not in agood location, right?
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| 9:46 |
Most likely destination for an expansion team? Charlotte? Brooklyn? North Dakota? |
| 9:46 |
: Portland. Maybe San Antonio/Austin?
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| 9:46 |
: Des Moines, no one in Iowa gets to watch baseball right now with the blackout rules already
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| 9:47 |
Des Moines is seeing better baseball than Chicago! |
| 9:48 |
Austin is too small to support an MLB team. |
| 9:48 |
: Austin is the biggest city without a pro team, right?
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| 9:49 |
: (all four sports)
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| 9:49 |
: It is hard to hit HR in SF, news at 11
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| 9:49 |
: Is Tucson close?
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| 9:50 |
: Nope, but Vegas is close
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| 9:50 |
Austin does have a professional sports team: The Texas Longhorns. 😉 |
| 9:51 |
: Soup and Geography.
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| 9:51 |
A quick Wiki search…Austin is the most populous city in the United States without a club in a major professional sports league. |
| 9:51 |
: Not today,
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| 9:51 |
it’s a crime that Petit has only pitched 9 innings this post season |
| 9:52 |
: He is stud, one the good finds I have had in my quick takes
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| 9:52 |
Do you guys believe the mlb should have designated fence lengths? ( I don’t but just want to see everyone’s opinion) |
| 9:52 |
: I prefer weird parks
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| 9:53 |
The higher the aLI, the more exciting the game, yes? Is that also true for aWE, or is that an inverse relationship? |
| 9:53 |
: I love unique ones, especially with some climate variations
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| 9:53 |
: You want a WE of close to 50% for excitement
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| 9:53 |
Do the Astros still have the weird CF hill? That can go. |
| 9:53 |
: yes
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| 9:53 |
: Yes
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| 9:53 |
: There is a dog in the cove!
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| 9:54 |
: with a fire
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| 9:55 |
why are they even discussing pinch hitting for Petit! |
| 9:55 |
: I don’t think they know how good he is
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| 9:55 |
: If there are men on base you probably have to…
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| 9:56 |
I pretty much just want to watch Vargas bat now that I know his BA was higher than Tulo’s in college when they were on the same team. |
| 9:57 |
: Vargas has four more batters max, but probably fewer.
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| 9:58 |
Jeff have you pitched against anybody in this series? |
| 9:58 |
: Wrong Jeff Zimmerman
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| 9:59 |
: I never got the $10M contract from the Rangers, but would gladly take some of it
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| 9:59 |
How would this Jeff Zimmerman have done if he did pitch against them? |
| 9:59 |
: Ugly, my arm is one of my worst tools
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| 10:00 |
Mistake letting Petit hit? |
| 10:00 |
: Guess not
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| 10:00 |
: Of course.
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| 10:00 |
Haha. Baseball |
| 10:01 |
: Pinch hitter would have been +0.1 runs my rough estimate. Petit cares not for math
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| 10:02 |
they should go for the double steal here, because lol |
| 10:02 |
: It would work, I see Salvy air mailing the throw
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| 10:03 |
Perez could tag Petit himself if he tried to steal 2nd |
| 10:03 |
: No way, Salvy could be the slowest everyday player in the game, he is slower than Butler
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| 10:03 |
Perez would miss the base if he tried to tag Petit himself, though. |
| 10:04 |
: Winner
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| 10:04 |
: We are going to be here for a long time. Someone bring me my laptop charger.
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| 10:04 |
Man I can’t wait until these elections are over |
| 10:04 |
: I live in NC. It is madness.
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| 10:06 |
: Usually, I see none of them, but the normal Republicans winners (Gov and Senate) are in tight races here in Kansas. It sucks
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| 10:06 |
Zimmerman you’re in KC?! |
| 10:06 |
: Wichita
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| 10:07 |
We need to have a KCK meet up. |
| 10:07 |
: I been to about every post season game, got my game 6 and 7 tickets sitting right next to me.
|
| 10:08 |
: Marlins man going upside down
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| 10:09 |
: Just missed it
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| 10:09 |
: Did Hosmer just suit up?
|
| 10:09 |
Ok Google, why is it called a bullpen? |
| 10:10 |
: Really, little high and outside
|
| 10:12 |
I can’t believe Infante is only 32. I feel like he’s been around since I was in diapers |
| 10:12 |
: Came up young. Couldn’t believe he was only 30 when the Tigers got him back
|
| 10:13 |
: and the Royals have him for another 3 seasons
|
| 10:15 |
: Halfway done in 2 hours. That’s not that bad, said a person living in 2014.
|
| 10:15 |
: Vargas better not stay in
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| 10:15 |
: Pitch to Panik, then he’s out
|
| 10:16 |
Once again, two innings left for the Giants offense |
| 10:17 |
Are we doing shots of Cuervo? |
| 10:17 |
Game four drinking game, starting….now! |
| 10:17 |
: Looks like Fish is ready to tie one on
|
| 10:17 |
Drink every time you want HR to make more sense |
| 10:19 |
: Third time through.
|
| 10:19 |
o gee didnt see that coming |
| 10:19 |
: Does this mean Mo’ne is coming in to pitch??
|
| 10:20 |
If Mo’ne is throwing 85 by the time she’s a senior do you think she will get drafted? |
| 10:20 |
: She wants to play basketball, but I would love to see it.
|
| 10:21 |
: Maybe, but doubt it. BTW, I highly recommend the Sports Gene. Great stuff in there on throwing differences between males and females
|
| 10:23 |
: Mentioning reliever W-L record. What’s the point?
|
| 10:23 |
: Teams waste picks all the time, Neil’s Tigers almost always draft a guy from Bishop Carroll High School in Wichita with their last pick because some in the scouting department went there.
|
| 10:24 |
: Right. Tigers draft family members all the time.
|
| 10:25 |
: I saw their 2014 14th and 40th round pick playing this past Friday
|
| 10:26 |
: Pence gonna Pence
|
| 10:26 |
I feel like Escobar should have had a chance there |
| 10:26 |
: To touch it, but no way he gets anyone
|
| 10:27 |
: positioning was the issue and now need to get another beer
|
| 10:27 |
Have any of you guys met Appleman? Still think he might not truly exist |
| 10:27 |
: Yep, he is really dude
|
| 10:27 |
: Have any of you met me?! I could be fake.
|
| 10:29 |
Yeah but we chat with you |
| 10:29 |
: I can confirm I have exchanged written words with Appelman.
|
| 10:29 |
: Hitting Panda on the right side would be a giant favor. Zing.
|
| 10:30 |
: Of course.
|
| 10:31 |
: This has the feel of an 18 inning game.
|
| 10:31 |
: @MLB handle just made an Anchorman reference.
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| 10:32 |
| 10:32 |
: At some point, you just tell HDH to get all of the outs.
|
| 10:33 |
If you could, would you bring Davis now? |
| 10:33 |
: Yes.
|
| 10:33 |
: Probably
|
| 10:34 |
: I am pretty much just throwing stuff, so you going solo Neil
|
| 10:35 |
: This might get ugly.
|
| 10:35 |
: Wow.
|
| 10:36 |
: Everything about that was great.
|
| 10:36 |
I agree with Harold Reynolds; that WAS a great baseball play |
| 10:36 |
: But defense should totally be taken out of WAR 🙂
|
| 10:37 |
Like clockwork the dog is whining at the door. |
| 10:40 |
Did both hosts leave? |
| 10:40 |
: I think Jeff had a heart attack.
|
| 10:41 |
: Alright, Dyson leading off.
|
| 10:41 |
: Maybe
|
| 10:41 |
: Expecting HR.
|
| 10:42 |
I want to see an inside the park HR. Dyson is a good choice for that. |
| 10:43 |
: Harold can’t get over Hunter Pence knowing how to tag up.
|
| 10:43 |
: What percentage of players fail to tag there? 5%?
|
| 10:43 |
: If even that high
|
| 10:44 |
: Dyson on base! Steal?!
|
| 10:44 |
: Don’t bunt. Steal second.
|
| 10:44 |
: I always consider an Aoki at bat a success if he stays on his feet.
|
| 10:45 |
We have any data in how much of an advantage a batter gains from having an elite base stealer on 1st via distracting the pitcher? Worth .025 points of BA? |
| 10:45 |
: Pretty sure the evidence says the opposite. Distracts hitter. But I’m not 100%
|
| 10:46 |
: It is in The Book, but usually it makes the hitter worse because they stand around too much
|
| 10:46 |
: Huge. #analysis
|
| 10:47 |
success by your definition jeff |
| 10:48 |
: Sort of, not good baseball. Looks like the Royals are regressing to their regular season production
|
| 10:48 |
THT has some good stuff on the base stealer effect: http://www.hardballtimes.co… |
| 10:48 |
mgl just covered that http://mglbaseball.wordpres… |
| 10:49 |
Horrible bosses 2? There was a horrible bosses 1? This looks like the worst movie ever. |
| 10:49 |
: I would go Davis-Herrara-Holland tonight, because you need someone ready behind Duffy and Herrara probably doesn’t have the rope.
|
| 10:50 |
Herrera. With an e. |
| 10:50 |
: Typos gonna typo
|
| 10:50 |
Duffy is out |
| 10:50 |
: Right, meant Finnegan.
|
| 10:51 |
MGL is invited to do a broadcast. How many minutes of a game do you give him before he is tossed out? |
| 10:51 |
: 15-20.
|
| 10:52 |
why does he get tossed out? |
| 10:52 |
: He would be very outspoken when the others said silly things.
|
| 10:52 |
I would LOVE to hear an mgl broadcast |
| 10:52 |
: Follow him on Twitter. Basically the same.
|
| 10:52 |
: Ned Yost is sad because he can’t call for the bunt right now
|
| 10:53 |
: https://twitter.com/mitchel… for those asking
|
| 10:54 |
Jeff are you ok? |
| 10:54 |
: no
|
| 10:54 |
I’ve seen Finnegan pitch a lot now, and the only thing I know about him is he pitched in the CWS. |
| 10:54 |
: He is left-handed.
|
| 10:54 |
Royals getting BABIP’d to death or what? |
| 10:54 |
: That was a hard hit ball.
|
| 10:55 |
They need to get Wade Davis ready for Posey |
| 10:55 |
: Yes.
|
| 10:55 |
Is that package Fox just showed about the bat staying in the zone as dumb as it looked? |
| 10:55 |
I’m not learning anything from this “place a horizontal line over the batters’ swings” lesson |
| 10:55 |
shutup about level Giant swings! |
| 10:56 |
: Was my dream as a catcher to get a guy leaning off second like that
|
| 10:56 |
: Never did
|
| 10:56 |
doing this so he can get Wade Davis warm? |
| 10:56 |
Yost is going to lose a timeout. |
| 10:57 |
: If only.
|
| 10:57 |
: I wonder what Harold thinks they do at NASA
|
| 10:58 |
: The amazing thing will be if they need the challenge this half inning.
|
| 10:59 |
: whoa Finnegan
|
| 10:59 |
: That was a technically proficient bunt.
|
| 10:59 |
“highlight” joe panik |
| 10:59 |
yost gonna yost |
| 10:59 |
: Gotta have Davis here.
|
| 11:00 |
So what’s the run expectancy before and after the IBB? |
| 11:01 |
: About 1.2 and 1.4. Can check our live scores for exact
|
| 11:02 |
: I think they had him at the plate, but need to see it again
|
| 11:03 |
: Great ….
|
| 11:03 |
: Or…don’t show the replay.
|
| 11:04 |
could’ve gotten 2 on the ground ball |
| 11:04 |
: Still empty in the pen?
|
| 11:04 |
: I must say, this is what it’s like to be a Tigers fan.
|
| 11:05 |
: The Tigers usually wait until the 8th or 9th to break down
|
| 11:05 |
: Weird part is that this is Aaron Crow’s inning
|
| 11:06 |
except the tigers do it with their best relievers |
| 11:06 |
so should escobar have tried for the dp on pence’s grounder? |
| 11:06 |
: Possibly. Tough to say with how quickly he gets down the line
|
| 11:08 |
Ahahaha! NotGraphs will never die! |
| 11:08 |
: It was dead….the whole time.
|
| 11:10 |
: No way Ish/Morse make that play
|
| 11:10 |
: This one looks to be the Giants … nice grab
|
| 11:11 |
: It’s the seventh inning, so the Cardinals are probably going to find a way to score.
|
| 11:11 |
nah, no kershaw |
| 11:11 |
: Watch the last three innings take 20 mins
|
| 11:12 |
aaand now BABIP is turning against the Royals. of course, it is what got them 4 runs |
| 11:12 |
: Hosmer should negotiate a plea deal right here
|
| 11:13 |
: Perfect.
|
| 11:13 |
giant pitchers should just not field |
| 11:13 |
: Hosmer was completely overmatched and reaches after the previous two guys hit the ball hard.
|
| 11:14 |
the BABIP gods are being very indecisive tonight lol |
| 11:14 |
: BABIP gods got a hold of that BWW button
|
| 11:14 |
: Shift works.
|
| 11:14 |
: and Moose hits into the shift …. no way
|
| 11:18 |
not a lot of comments flowing through…are u guys getting sleepy? |
| 11:18 |
: Shoot. Can’t come up with witty comeback.
|
| 11:18 |
So predictions on the rest of the series? |
| 11:19 |
: Giants in 6.
|
| 11:19 |
: No, no much going on and most of the comments ripping God Bless American and the person singing it
|
| 11:21 |
who’s chatting tomorrow? |
| 11:21 |
: You know Neil?
|
| 11:21 |
: Petriello I think
|
| 11:22 |
You two would be horrible as play-by-play commentators. Almost no discussion. |
| 11:22 |
: We told you so
|
| 11:22 |
Why is Finnegan still in? Royals giving up? |
| 11:22 |
: Yeah, we need a play by play guy to set us up
|
| 11:22 |
: Looks that way
|
| 11:23 |
Best way to get a comment published… Mention the lack of comments (and maybe insult the hosts). |
| 11:23 |
: Wait, you tricked me…
|
| 11:24 |
Are teams just punting the 7th+ innings? Giants brought in Lincecum the other night. Royals stuck with Finnegan. Dave said the WE vs. the Royal bullpen in the 6th with a lead was close to 0 with the “Big Three |
| 11:24 |
So only Tim Collins left if the Royals don’t want to use Davis or Holland. Any chance we see a position player pitch? |
| 11:25 |
: Mitch Maier is no longer on the team
|
| 11:25 |
: Been thinking about this. Royals probably decided that fresh pen tomorrow is better than trying to win? That’s my best guess, but I don’t know
|
| 11:26 |
well, we also want to save the big three for extra innings tonight |
| 11:26 |
: Against Bum? They needed to win today
|
| 11:27 |
Yost: We’re not winning, so no Big 3 tonight. |
| 11:28 |
: Pretty much, not much thinking going on in his dome
|
| 11:28 |
Ned, buddy I tried to give you the game by starting Vogelsong over Petiit and you blew it. |
| 11:30 |
Bunt! |
| 11:30 |
: Couldn’t decided which bunt comment to publish. Paniked.
|
| 11:30 |
: That was a bad joke and I feel bad
|
| 11:30 |
: /still finding stuff to throw
|
| 11:32 |
: At 6 runs, it’s over, but Collins versus Posey here still looks silly
|
| 11:32 |
Panik has made nice contact with a short stroke all post season. But evaluators do not like him much. |
| 11:32 |
Which position player do you pick to relieve Collins? |
| 11:32 |
: An out
|
| 11:32 |
: Aoki was used already 🙁
|
| 11:33 |
You can feel the “Giant’s Don’t Panik” headlines coming. |
| 11:33 |
: Billy Butler hit 90 mph in HS
|
| 11:34 |
Panik at the Disco! KC’s luck has run out; random variation; playoff crapshoot; blah blah… What’s the new storyline tomorrow?! |
| 11:34 |
: Jeff is going to Game 6
|
| 11:34 |
: Strickland warming!
|
| 11:35 |
: We now have a chance, thanks Bochy
|
| 11:37 |
Team Baseball = Scoring more runs than the other team |
| 11:37 |
: How many runs for a position player to pitch in the WS? 10?
|
| 11:38 |
hahahaha https://twitter.com/mitchel… |
| 11:38 |
HR pointed out that the Giants play team baseball. Will the secret that you can field a team make it to other clubs? |
| 11:40 |
2 runs in the 5th, 3 in the 6th, 4 in the 7th, expecting 5 runs in the 8th. |
| 11:41 |
: sounds about right
|
| 11:41 |
Royals need to take the lead so the Giants can score 6 in the 9th. |
| 11:41 |
: Pretty good WE graph tonight http://www.fangraphs.com/li…
|
| 11:42 |
As a youngish Royals fan this game feels like home. |
| 11:43 |
: 15 runs scored at AT&T. Wonder how rare that is?
|
| 11:45 |
Jackson Pollock finally got some run on a broadcast! |
| 11:45 |
: HR showing off his doodles
|
| 11:47 |
How many SF runs were attributable to swings so flat they could be illustrated with horizontal lines drawn on screen? |
| 11:47 |
: Gotta be at least half.
|
| 11:48 |
Why should I keep watching? |
| 11:49 |
: You’ve made it this far! 6 more outs.
|
| 11:49 |
: For the .01% chance of a comeback
|
| 11:51 |
How many runs does KC have to be down before Royals bunting becomes a rational decision because it ends the game earlier? |
| 11:51 |
How many runs does KC have to be down before Royals bunting becomes a rational decision because it ends the game earlier? |
| 11:51 |
: Still gotta tire out the Giants reliever
|
| 11:53 |
: For the people who haven’t bailed on the game? What’s on your mind?
|
| 11:53 |
: How much can you say about a middle reliever wearing one?
|
| 11:54 |
Since Giants have broke open the game, I’ve been watching old barry bonds highlights. He may be a despicable person but he was really fun to watch. |
| 11:55 |
sad the baseball season is going to be over soon, it always goes so fast |
| 11:55 |
How many people still in the chat? |
| 11:55 |
: 4 outs to go
|
| 11:55 |
: Few hundred?
|
| 11:55 |
I’m rooting for the royals, so the rationalization is that they have to lose one so they can win it all at home |
| 11:55 |
: Sort of works
|
| 11:55 |
Which widely reviled but indisputably outstanding, player is more likely to be looked back on as misunderstood good guy rather than villain: Bonds or A-Rod? |
| 11:56 |
: Bonds, I think.
|
| 11:56 |
: Bonds easily
|
| 11:56 |
Brandon Crawford struck out swinging. LI: 0.00 |
| 11:56 |
: THERE IS NO LEVERAGE.
|
| 11:57 |
so this loss was good because the big three get to rest?! |
| 11:58 |
: I would have rather seen them throw
|
| 11:58 |
Better cushy job: one of those random actors who turns up in every other commercial or bullpen catcher? |
| 11:58 |
: I want to be a bullpen catcher so bad.
|
| 11:59 |
: Same here, but I would have to sit on a bucket, my knees are gone
|
| 12:01 |
Is Strickland the best low-leverage reliever of all time? |
| 12:01 |
: That would actually be a fun thing to explore.
|
| 12:02 |
Someone get on the low leverage reliever article then. |
| 12:02 |
: And so began the Royals comeback…
|
| 12:03 |
Is Jeff still watching? |
| 12:03 |
: Sadly, yes
|
| 12:04 |
Is Yost planning Herrera 2,Davis 2, Holland 1 if he is semi rational? |
| 12:05 |
: Probably *planning* on Shields 6, then three from those guys.
|
| 12:05 |
: Sounds about right
|
| 12:06 |
If Shields is in trouble early, he should have a short leash on him. He should arguable be thinking 2 innings from all 3 of those guys |
| 12:06 |
: Yeah. With the off day especially.
|
| 12:07 |
Regarding bullpen catcher, to try to handle 95+ degree heat over and over night after night does not sound like fun. |
| 12:07 |
: What else am I going to do, sit around and complain about HR?
|
| 12:08 |
Fun fact: Kelvin Herrea has more WS at-bats in SF then Billy Butler |
| 12:08 |
: Bye all
|
| 12:08 |
: Alright, only took four hours! Not too bad.
|
| 12:09 |
: Hope this was a reasonably enjoyable chat.
|
| 12:09 |
: (hopes someone leaves hilarious comment so this can end on a high note)
|
| 12:09 |
: (waits)
|
| 12:10 |
: Alright, take care all. I think Mike P tomorrow and then Dave/Jeff for Game 6.
|
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
My favorite idiot talking head comments from after the game were the two separate times I heard people praise SF’s players for “not trying to catch up all in one inning”.
A) I am SURE that each and every inning they were down, they were, “trying to catch up all in that inning”.
B) They did in actual fact catch up all in one inning…
No no: they WEREN’T ‘ttcuaiti’, that’s the POINT.
It’s all very zen. Yes, KC has it’s Aoki, but Buddha preached one should strive toward equanimity with personal grace and poise, never straining against Destiny. Is that not so VERY Ishikawa? And Nori the Living Buddha’s manifestation of the futility of striving against Fate?
I read that as “never straining against Denny’s” and my first thought was “Billy Butler must not be a very good buddhist.”