Sunday Notes: Maddon, Cherington, Fixing the Reds, Trusting Buck, more
Joe Maddon sees a suppressed run-scoring environment across baseball and feels the way to bring back more offense is… well, he doesn’t really know. The Tampa Bay Rays manager – oops, make that former Tampa Bay Rays manager – had thoughts on the subject when we spoke in September. They were more musings than manifestos.
I asked Maddon if he sees an irreversible trend or simply a cyclical dip His answer suggested the former, with a nod in the direction of the bullpen.
“Offense hasn’t benefited at all from any of the new discoveries in the game,” said Maddon. “It’s only been injured by it. Along with the subtraction of PEDs, there’s informed data on pitching and defense, which has really slanted the field in favor of that area of the game. There are also accelerated bullpens. Look at Kansas City’s bullpen, Oakland’s bullpen, Baltimore’s bullpen. Specialization has really taken over.”
It’s hard to argue Maddon’s last point. Not only did teams hit just .251 this year – the lowest average in over 40 years — from the seventh inning on that number was .241. Teams also fanned an average of 7.7 times per game, the highest in history. Bullpens were a big part of that, with a whopping 41 qualifying relievers logging a K/9 of 10.0 or better.
*Attention fans of the Detroit Tigers: you might want to skip the next paragraph.
“There are a lot of ways to look at how you might augment your offense, but it can’t just be nine guys working a pitching staff over,” said Maddon. “If your goal is to get a starter out of a game, that might be the last thing you want to do. You see a lot of 95-plus out of the pen now, and some of those guys have quality secondary pitches. I think it’s become easier to build bullpens, and it’s rare a team has a bad one.”
The Kansas City Royals are a fit for Maddon’s musings. Not only is their pen dominant, their speed-focused offense posted the lowest walk rate in the game.
“We might possibly need to see a trend away from seeing pitches,” suggested Maddon. “I can see speed – including using it creatively – becoming a more important part of the game. I think the trend might be going back to the way the game had been before the unrealistic home run numbers arrived and walks became prominent. I really don’t know.”
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The Red Sox have epitomized the patience-and-power approach, and despite a disastrous 2014 season, that probably isn’t going to change. I asked Boston general manager Ben Cherington about the team’s hitting philosophy relative to the current run-scoring environment following the completion of the regular season.
“Offense has changed,” Cherington told me. “Power, at least in terms of home runs, is down. Even on-base percentage is down. There are all sorts of reasons for that. We know we need to build a better offense, but we have to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water. If we can see pitches and get on base, and still hit for power and hit with runners in scoring position, I still think that’s a formula to score runs.”
Boston batters produced just 634 runs this year, a far cry from the 853 who crossed the plate in 2013. The reasons behind the free fall were myriad and went well beyond league-wide trends. Retooling of the lineup is highly likely, but don’t expect the Red Sox to assume a slashers-and-burners persona akin to KC’s.
“Some of it has to do with the personnel you have,” Cherington said. “There are teams that have been successful who don’t see a ton of pitches and don’t get on base as much as we’ve been used to getting on base, so I’m not saying there’s one way to do it. I just think we have to be careful about moving too far away from the things we’ve always been good at. I’d rather try to fix the things that didn’t work this year.”
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This is a big offseason for the Cincinnati Reds. If you don’t believe me, take the pulse of their fan base. Dissatisfaction was rife last winter when general manager Walt Jocketty sat on his hands, and it remained steady throughout the season. The status quo proved to be anything but profitable. Amid figurative shouts of “Penurious!” the club owned by Bob Castellini and run by Jocketty was substandard and poor, finishing well under .500.
In defense of the powers that be, a healthy 2014 squad playing to its capabilities would have been a contender. Even so, holes were apparent. Left field has been an issue for years. So has OBP from anyone not named Votto. Lack of depth stood out like a sore thumb.
This offseason promises to be different. Jocketty can’t afford to simply sit back and watch the hobbled heal and the under-performers perform. Nor can he expect to fill holes from within, not with a farm system lacking impact talent at the upper levels.
Actually, he could do those things. But the belief here is that he won’t, because he really can’t. (Can he, Mr. Castellini?) There’s scant little Reds buzz in southwestern Ohio right now – hey, how ’bout those first-place Bengals! – and the team needs to sell tickets. Here are a few ideas on how to do that, and to add digits to the Win column:
Don’t trade any of the starters unless it’s an offer you can’t refuse. There is no such thing as too much pitching and right now it’s the club’s strength.
Dip into the free agent market and sign Mike Aviles. He won’t be particularly expensive and would upgrade the bench. Aviles can handle multiple positions and has decent speed and power for a spare part. Kelly Johnson would be a fallback plan if Aviles doesn’t like Skyline Chili.
Sign Justin Masterson with the idea of turning him into Wade Davis. The power righty will likely shop for a starting role, but maybe he’d like coming home to Ohio – he grew up near Dayton – and teaming with Aroldis Chapman in the back of the bullpen. Coming off a down year, Masterson won’t command premium dollars.
Trade Joey Votto to the Red Sox for Mike Napoli, Daniel Nava and Matt Barnes. Shedding Votto’s contact frees up money and let’s be honest: as good as Votto is, he’s due a lot of dollars for a lot of years and is a payroll burden going forward. Napoli would step in and provide solid OBP and more power than Votto, albeit lesser overall production. Defensively, Napoli is a well-above-average first baseman. Nava would go a long way toward solving the left field problem. He’d be a good fit in front of Billy Hamilton in the two-hole thanks to his highly-disciplined approach. A switch-hitter who is better from the left side, he’d see his power numbers jump at Great American Ballpark. Nava’s stood out with the glove this year, as evidenced by his 17 Defensive Runs Saved. Barnes was Boston’s first-round pick in 2011 and made his big-league debut in September. A starter in the minors, he has a mid-90s fastball and is projected by many as a power arm out of the bullpen.
Trade Aroldis Chapman and Zack Cozart to the Tigers for Nick Castellanos and Jose Iglesias. All-Star-quality outfielders are more valuable than closers, and Castellanos is on the verge of being a stud. I don’t see Detroit doing a straight-up for just that reason – despite their desperate need for a closer – but the shortstop swap might nudge them toward considering it. Cozart is a surer bet than Iglesias, who missed the year with leg injuries. From a Cincinnati perspective, it could be worth the gamble as a healthy Iglesias is defensive magic.
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Why is Buck Showalter good at his job? There are a number of reasons, not the least of which is his attention to detail. The Orioles skipper is said to be sly as a fox, and managerial ingenuity is also often a byproduct of preparation.
During the ALDS, I caught up with Showalter in the bowels of Camden Yards as he walked from press conference to clubhouse. I wanted to know if going up against a rookie manager like Brad Ausmus differs from matching strategy with a veteran like Jim Leyland. In other words, is it harder to predict Ausmus’s moves due to a lack of familiarity? Showalter insisted it isn’t. He said that regardless of who is in the other dugout, the bottom line is that “You always have to manage against the curveball.”
Orioles infielder Kelly Johnson has played for several big-league teams, and in his opinion, Showalter can definitely handle a curveball.
“I don’t think anyone has ever caught him unprepared,” Johnson told me. “No one ever beats him to a decision, whether it’s as simple as having the right combo of pitchers getting hot for potential hitters, or vice versa. Regardless of the situation, he’s got the upper hand.”
Equally important is Showalter’s ability to communicate expectations. Players might not always like what they hear, but they know where they stand. According to bench coach John Russell, “The biggest thing Buck does well is present how he wants things done. His presentation is outstanding. How you present something to players is how they’re going to grasp it, how well they know what’s expected of them.”
Johnson agrees, and the way he presented his opinion had me wondering if there were maybe some hidden meaning in his words.
“When you know somebody is always prepared, it results in trust,” said Johnson. “You’re never going to second guess and play manager yourself. Nobody is going to be sitting here talking about, ‘Why did we do that?’ That happens a lot on a lot of teams, and it doesn’t happen here.
“The managers I’ve played for who have been able to create that trust have had a positive impact on their players. When guys come over in a trade, or are brought up from the minors, they fall right into line. They know what to do and what is expected of them. Here, you know what’s going to happen. It’s like that in Atlanta and Tampa, and I’m guessing it’s like that in St. Louis and San Francisco. With certain teams who have been consistently successful, that probably comes from a similar type of trust.”
Johnson spent time with the Yankees and Red Sox this year before joining the Orioles. He’s also played for Atlanta, Arizona, Toronto and Tampa Bay.
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Three years ago, with the Cardinals one strike away from elimination, Lance Berkman hit a game-tying single in the bottom of the 10th inning of World Series Game 6. St. Louis plated the winning run an inning later, and the following night beat Texas to take home the title.
I talked to Berkman about that game in June 2013 when I interviewed him about his evolution as a hitter. The World Series anecdote didn’t fit the prevailing theme, so I chose not to include it. Sixteen months later, with this year’s Fall Classic in full bloom, I decided it was worth digging up and including this week’s notes. After all, a magical Berkman-like moment may be about to happen in San Francisco – or in Kansas City in the coming days. Here is what the now-retired Berkman had to say about his 2011 heroics:
“As a little kid you think you want to be in that situation, but then when you’re actually in that situation it’s incredibly nerve-wracking. I remember praying the day of the game. If the whole season was going to come down to one of my at bats, I wanted to be able to remain calm without feeling all that pressure hanging over my head. The amazing thing about it is, even though it was a tense situation, I did feel very peaceful and calm. Scott Feldman made really good pitches and I was fortunate enough to fight one off into center field. We had several guys get big hits that night – especially David Freese and I’m just thankful I was able to contribute to us winning.”
RANDOM NOTES AND INFO
On this date in 1911, the Philadelphia Athletics beat the New York Giants 13-2 to win the World Series in six games. The Series was notable for two reasons. Legendary third baseman Frank “Home Run” Baker earned his nickname with dramatic home runs off Rube Marquard in Game 2 and Christy Mathewson in Game 3. Six consecutive days of rain between Games 3 and 4 resulted in Game 6 being played on October 26, making this the latest-ending World Series prior to 1981.
On this date in 1985, first base umpire Don Denkinger blew a ninth-inning call that helped the Royals beat the Cardinals and even the World Series at three games apiece. Were it not for Denkinger’s mistake, it is quite possible the Royals – who also won Game 7 – would currently be playing for their first-ever World Series title.
One year ago today, Red Sox third baseman Will Middlebrooks was called for obstruction, giving the Cardinals a 5-4 win in Game 3. It is the only game in World Series history to end in such a manner. In the post-game press conference, the umpires made clear intent was irrelevant and they had no choice but to make the call.
Royals batters had 471 more hits than strikeouts this year. Cubs batters had 162 more strikeouts than hits.
I’d like to join the many who have already done so and wish a happy and rewarding retirement to John Lowe of the Detroit Free Press. A fine baseball writer and a pleasure to cross paths with in a press box, Lowe shouldn’t have to wait long before being nominated for the J.G. Taylor Spink Award. Much like legendary Detroit scribe Joe Falls, Lowe did yeoman’s work covering the Tigers.
The fourth-annual SABR Analytics Conference will be held March 12-14, 2015 at the Hyatt Regency in Phoenix. Looking even farther ahead, the 45th-annual SABR National Convention will be held June 24-28, 2015 in Chicago.
David Laurila grew up in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and now writes about baseball from his home in Cambridge, Mass. He authored the Prospectus Q&A series at Baseball Prospectus from December 2006-May 2011 before being claimed off waivers by FanGraphs. He can be followed on Twitter @DavidLaurilaQA.
“Trade Aroldis Chapman and Zack Cozart to the Tigers for Nick Castellanos and Jose Iglesias. All-Star-quality outfielders are more valuable than closers, and Castellanos is on the verge of being a stud. I don’t see Detroit doing a straight-up for just that reason – despite their desperate need for a closer – but the shortstop swap might nudge them toward considering it. Cozart is a surer bet than Iglesias, who missed the year with leg injuries. From a Cincinnati perspective, it could be worth the gamble as a healthy Iglesias is defensive magic.”
On the verge of being a stud? Uh…wut? What gives you that impression? His “awesome” minor league track record where he never hit 20 HRs, and had a high of (combined for levels) 10 aside from 2013? His 20%+ strikeout rate at multiple levels? Or is it him being worth negative WAR this year, with a 94 wRC+ and a negative in baserunning, plus a huge negative in defense? Or the 24.2% K%?
I’m not saying Nick CAN’T become a stud. But he isn’t remotely close to being on the VERGE of being a stud and trading for him is a huge gamble. (Only somewhat related, I’m not sure the Red Sox would be very interested in that deal.) Also, you suggest trading Aroldis Chapman right after suggesting they get Masterson to pair with Aroldis Chapman.
But yeah I kind of found the idea that Nick Castellanos is close to a stud…rather silly.
Didn’t see your post but yeah I had the exact same reaction. Was very shocking to read that.
I feel all the Reds trade scenarios above were seemingly bad suggestions, but hey, that’s the fun of all of us playing armchair GM. I’m not going to claim I can come up with better. I wonder what a fair return, if there is such a thing, would be for Votto or Chapman by themselves.
I don’t think the Reds could get anything for Votto. That contract makes Adrian Gonzalez look cheap
Votto’s much better than Adrian Gonzalez
Agreed. Laurila’s Sunday Notes are great. But his armchair GM proposals seemed out of place and amateurish.
to the Fangraphs staff
little has more value
than a player
whose major league peripherals
do not exist
six years of control at depressed prices
ensures that regardless of performance
the team is likely win
the $/WAR championship
and when confronted with
playoff nihilism
what other championship
is there to win?
“Royals batters had 471 more hits than strikeouts this year. Cubs batters had 162 more strikeouts than hits.”
In their combined 438 AB’s, Javy Baez (36 Hits, 95 K’s) and Mike Olt (36 Hits, 100 K’s) contributed more than their share to that stat….combining for 123 more K’s than hits.
The Royals are showing how to combat the trend that Maddon is talking about in paragraph 1. Despite being dead last in both walks and HR’s in MLB, they scored the 14’th most Runs and in a pitcher friendly environment but putting the ball in play and having fast baserunners.
Although the numbers are not as extreme, the Giants are having success with a similar approach. After he struggled in both the second half last year and the first half this year, the Giants coaches persuaded Buster Posey to not let himself get as deep into counts. His K and BB rates dropped and his BA took off and he hit for more power too. Everybody laughed when the Giants drafted Joe Panik in the first round, but the guy just doesn’t strike out. If you were voting for ROY based on the guy who had the biggest impact in turning his team’s season around it would be Panik in a landslide.
So, there are ways for team’s to lower their K rates from the offensive side and turn that into runs.
Giants record from Opening Day through June 21st (before Panik) = 45-30
Record from June 22nd to Sept 28th (when Panik was a regular starter) = 43-44
I guess we have differing definitions of “turning his team’s season around”…..
Panik did not become the regular starter at 2B until August, then killed it for the the next two months which is indeed when the Giants turned it around after a brutal midseason slump.
Adrianza was getting most of the PT at 2B until July 24 when he re-injured his hammy and Panik took over as full time starter.
What you are claiming here is demonstrably false. It’s very easy to look at the game logs.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=panikjo01&t=b&year=
Adrianza only saw 7 starts at 2B in the entire month of July….because Panik took over the 2nd base job on June 22nd as the starter and took the overwhelming majority of the playing time there for the rest of June and all of July.
It’s more than fine to like a guy that comes up and immediately produces relatively nicely (he’s got a pretty empty AVG)….but there’s no reason to let a narrative take the place of the truth.
If Panik had the full time job, why did Adrianza start 7 games? Once Adrianza went out with the injury and Panik was given a chance to claim the job outright, he caught fire , locked it down and turned what appeared at that point to be a moribund season for the Giants around. YOU are the one who is making misleading and outright false statements here in an attempt to distract from the greater truth: Joe Panik had the biggest impact of any rookie in the majors in terms of the success of hit team.
Panik appeared in 15 games in July which is hardly the “overwhelming majority of the playing time there for the rest of June and ALL of July.”
Clearly you’ve decided to ignore the evidence and continue your misguided belief. Seems there’s nothing left to do but this : lol
Oh, by the way…..
“Joe Panik had the biggest impact of any rookie in the majors in terms of the success of hit team”
Since Yordano Ventura only pitched 15 IP in 2013….2014 is considered his rookie season. You’ll have a very hard time demonstrating that Panik had more of an impact on his team’s success than Ventura.
“Trade Aroldis Chapman and Zack Cozart to the Tigers for Nick Castellanos and Jose Iglesias. ”
What leads you to believe Castellanos will be a stud? The high K low and power combination? The poor defence? The inability to hit for significant power or walk? His minor league track record isn’t that impressive either.
Closers may not be that valuable, but Chapman is an elite reliever which is another thing entirely. He’s worth far more than Castellanos and a defensive replacement in Iglesias.
Votto to the Red Sox? What in the world would make the Sox interested in taking on that enormous contract? They’ve been very clear that they’ve sworn off such things. The only 200+ million deal we’ll see them give out would be if they could somehow pry Stanton away from the Marlins. I’m sure the Sox would love to pull off a trade with the Reds, but it will be a pitcher they’ll be after. They need two and I’m sure they’d be willing to give up a few players to get Cueto, especially since they’ll need to clear up some 40 man roster space.
I find it a little odd that the piece proposes luring Masterson to the Reds with the idea of being a bullpen weapon alongside Chapman, then immediately afterward proposes trading away Chapman.
Two have mentioned this, so I was apparently not clear in my intent. I prefaced the proposals with “here are some ideas,” so this wasn’t meant as a master plan. And yes, trade ideas are frivolous, but they are undeniably fun. Hot stove season is fast approaching and the Reds are clearly in a position where they need to make moves, perhaps bold moves.
Some are more fun than others. The lack of balance in the trade ideas that you throw out make them seem random. I really don’t see any trade of Votto during the rest of his career that is anything but a major, major salary dump, where the biggest factor for “balance” analysis is how many dollars the Reds swallow. Since they are not a team that can really afford it, the question is what if anything they could get for him or more likely, how much they have to give away in addition to him to get the dollars off their books. When that day does come it won’t be a happy one for Reds fans. What a disaster.
Apologies, David – I hadn’t noticed that part of the previous comment, otherwise I wouldn’t have duplicated.
Votto isn’t going anywhere, shamefully. Cozart has great defense. They would only change shortstops if they could get an offensive boost like Brandon Crawford, which isnt likely. With no replacement shortstops knocking on the door except maybe an unproven Kris Negron, it would be better to build around Cozart. Chapman isn’t expensive right now and would be necessary for future success. The Reds best option is to go back in time and trade Bailey before his huge contract and send Phillips packing. Since they are stuck with them, they must trade Bruce and either Latos or Leake for a left fielder, and sign Nori Aoki for right field. Also, the Reds should ensure that Hoover, Ondrusek, and Marshall don’t waste any more of their space.
Trade Bruce? They have for only $37.5m over the next 3 years. He obviously was bad last year, but for his age 28-30 years? That feels like a huge bargain at the moment…
And then on top of that, they replace Bruce with Aoki? You realize he will be 33 years old next season, right? Why the heck would they want him? So LF AND RF could be massive offensive holes?
As a Reds fan, I hope that Jocketty doesn’t make any of the moves you’ve suggested.
This is probably the worst Fangraphs article I’ve ever read based solely on the Reds offseason suggestions alone.
Is there ANY evidence that Masterson has any desire to be turned into Wade Davis?
The only value they’d be getting back in the Votto deal is Matt Barnes and the Reds are loaded at the MLB level with pitching and have Stephenson in the pipeline. I would have agreed in recent years with the idea that you can never have enough pitching (and it is still true to a degree) but it has been proven by many orgs that it is easier to develop that back end of a rotation from the scrap heap than it is to shore up an offense.
Other than Iglesias age, including him and Cozart in the deal is a wash and essentially makes it a Chapman for Castellanos deal. If Castellanos does turn into a plus regular then it’s a win for the Reds but that is hardly a given at this point.
All I want out of the Reds is to make sure Jocketty is actually awake. I am pretty sure he was in full hibernation last winter. As a Reds season ticket holder, I can tell you it was hard give away tickets from August on.
Outside the box thinking:
SP J. Cueto, SS Z. Cozart, and 2B B. Phillips to Los Angeles for OF Scott Van Slyke, 2B/SS Dee Gordon and prospects SP Julio Urias, CF Joc Pederson, and SS/2B Darnell Sweeney.
Cueto becomes LA’s number two, while Cozart’s glove can be carried with impressive Dodger offense. Phillips becomes starting 2B and glove man with possible good bat.
Van Slyke gets starting nod in LF and provides power and patience, if not a high BA. Pederson moves right in to CF. Gordon teams with Hamilton at the top of the order and provide speed if nothing else. They also team up defensively up the middle, with Hamilton moving back to the infield. Prospects evens out deal.
Gordon 2B
Votto 1B
Frazier 3B
Van Slyke LF
Mesoraco C
Pederson CF
Bruce RF
Hamilton SS
More interviews, less “fixing” teams.