2014 World Series Game Four Live Blog

7:58
Neil Weinberg: Hey everyone! I’ll be handling the live blog duties this evening. If you don’t know who I am, we have like four hours to get acquainted. First time chatting along with a game since joining FG, so we’ll see how it goes!

7:59
Neil Weinberg: Mo’Ne is awesome.

7:59
Comment From David
Why no Library update this week?

8:00
Neil Weinberg: There was! Sorry, the IG post just didn’t run. Pitch F/X resources were updated to include Savant, etc.

8:00
Comment From Ruki
Got a rooting interest tonight?

8:00
Neil Weinberg: I’m a Tigers fan, so the Tigers have inflicted pain, and seeing the Royals do well is confusing. So just hoping for good baseball

8:02
Comment From Pale Hose
This expect this live blog to be the best part of my day. No pressure.

8:02
Neil Weinberg: That seems like a lot of pressure!

8:02
Comment From Cave Dameron
Is starting Vogelsong the right decision (over MadBum on shrot rest or Petit)?

8:03
Neil Weinberg: I think Vogey is fine here because he and Petit are going to split the game, I would imagine. Order doesn’t matter too much, probably. I think full rest for Madison tomorrow and relief in Game 7 is a slightly better move. But some of that depends on his physical condition, which I dont know

8:03
Comment From Helber
I have calculus finals two days from now… I should be studying, instead I’m watching WS Game 4… What can I do? I love baseball too much

8:04
Neil Weinberg: Important to integrate your hobbies. Zing.

8:04
Comment From yostin and tostin
whatever you derive enjoyment from, do that

8:04
Neil Weinberg: Calculus jokes FTW

8:05
Neil Weinberg: Appears as if Jeff Z. is joining us, although I cannot confirm these reports.

8:05
Jeff Zimmerman: Hi everyone, I will jump in and help Neil while rooting for the Royals. If I disappear when Yost does something stupid, I probably went for another beer.

8:06
Jeff Zimmerman: I may be a bit slow, I spent the after watching K-State shut out Texas in the sun

8:07
Comment From Gary
How big a factor was the first letter of his last name in the determination of starting Vogelsong tonight?

8:08
Neil Weinberg: Seems pretty important! Two V’s

8:08
Jeff Zimmerman: Still worst graphic ever.

8:09
Comment From Chris
Seems like a waste of resources to spray paint the positions on the field like that.

8:09
Comment From Gary
What happens if you both select the same comment to publish at the same time? Chaos I assume.

8:09
Jeff Zimmerman: Especially with all the shifting

8:09
Comment From David
Would it have been advisable for Bochy to start Bumgarner and limit him 70 pitchers for 5 innings (two times through the order) and bring him back in Game 7. Better than starting Vogelsong right?

8:10
Neil Weinberg: I’m not so sure. He’ll pitch in game 5 for sure and game 7 if they get there. Not sure tired Bumgarner is better than the alternative.

8:10
Comment From yostin and tostin
two Vs makes a W … now it all makes sense

8:11
Comment From The Big Dipper
Are you related to Max Weinberg?

8:11
Neil Weinberg: No, but I tell people he’s my uncle as a joke.

8:11
Comment From The Big Dipper
Haha I would too

8:11
Neil Weinberg: Nice receiving from Posey.

8:12
Comment From Yosted
That entire area around 1st looks soggy as can be, wonder if the story is true.

8:12
Neil Weinberg: Beat guys said they watered heavily.

8:13
Comment From Cave Dameron
Jeff, did you go to get a beer already?

8:13
Neil Weinberg: I think it’s pretty funny that they rotated a guy to the replay booth. He flew to another city even though dozens of umpires are at home

8:13
Comment From Dan
Looking at the Giants bench, I think the second pinch hitter after Morse should be Bumgarner

8:13
Neil Weinberg: At least it isn’t the Tigers bench.

8:13
Jeff Zimmerman: I started with one, but I am used to the team not hitting.

8:15
Comment From Fish
For those interested: Ted Barrett calls basically a perfect zone against righties, and a little low against lefties (with the lefty strike)

8:15
Comment From Fish
That’s using jeff’s site!

8:15
Jeff Zimmerman: Thanks

8:16
Comment From BDF
Are you related to this guy Josh Weinberg I new in 7th grade? This was in Miami.

8:16
Neil Weinberg: I am not, but we can play this game long enough and find a relative.

8:17
Comment From David
Jeff; your site seems so great, but it’s extremely hard to use, IMO. Can you do a piece explaining how everything works? Thanks.

8:18
Jeff Zimmerman: I usually the info is at the bottom or an original article, but I agree. I have a ton to do like get out the 2014 DL data.

8:18
Comment From Gary
It’s not actually against the rules to do something like pack the dirt looser to slow down the opponent’s running game is it?

8:18
Neil Weinberg: No, I don’t think so.

8:19
Neil Weinberg: Teams often cut the grass to help their style of play

8:19
Jeff Zimmerman: No, teams will not cut the grass with groundball pitchers

8:21
Comment From David
Apologies if this has been asked before but what in the world is that bunting-covered section in the left field corner? Something for press?

8:21
Neil Weinberg: I think there’s an aux press box out there. Anyone confirm?

8:22
Comment From David
yep, indeed it is.

8:22
Comment From Dan
Confirm

8:22
Comment From The Big Dipper
The Royals love bunting so much they had one put up in San Francisco

8:22
Comment From David
They had to remove every second row to put the tables in for the press

8:23
Jeff Zimmerman: Not good.

8:23
Neil Weinberg: That was almost a disaster twice.

8:24
Comment From The Big Dipper
Wow look at that hang time

8:25
Comment From Chris
Director: Zoom in on that dirt! Enhance! I want more dirt shots, dammit!

8:25
Neil Weinberg: Good reminder about hard baseball is: The swing Posey took on that first pitch against an average pitcher.

8:27
Comment From Dan
Might as well steal home now

8:27
Comment From nick
How much could we raise if we began a Kickstarter to put MGL in the FOX booth for one game.

8:27
Neil Weinberg: I would watch that, but I think it would end in a fist fight pretty quickly.

8:27
Jeff Zimmerman: Not sure, but I would love to have different audio feeds, especially the home and away radio feeds

8:28
Comment From Fish
MGL and Curt Schilling

8:28
Neil Weinberg: Runs will be difficult to score against both #4 pitchers, based on the first innings, per announcers.

8:29
Jeff Zimmerman: Jeez, I am pretty ready for beer two now

8:29
Comment From WC
MGL, Tom Tango, and any of you guys for broadcasters please.

8:30
Jeff Zimmerman: I would not be good, too many uuhhhh’s between words

8:30
Neil Weinberg: Would be a lot of dead air, though

8:30
Neil Weinberg: No one wants to hear my voice.

8:30
Comment From Confused
Sorry but who is MGL?

8:30
Neil Weinberg: Mitchell Lichtman

8:30
Comment From WC
better than what HR has to offer!!

8:31
Comment From nick
No it doesn’t work unless they keep HR

8:31
Neil Weinberg: Sabermetric researcher, co-author of The Book

8:31
Neil Weinberg: That was a weird play.

8:31
Neil Weinberg: I’m not sure anyone did anything wrong, is Pence just blazing fast?

8:32
Neil Weinberg: Moose froze the runner, but that half second cost him.

8:32
Comment From The Big Dipper
Looked like infante had to reach a little bit too

8:32
Comment From Skore
Pence almost never gets doubled up, quite fast out of the box

8:32
Neil Weinberg: Biggio, 1997. Go look at his stat line. No GIDP.

8:32
Jeff Zimmerman: Pence has decent speed. I would love to know Pence to 1B on that hit.

8:32
Comment From Pale Hose
Pence isn’t that fast. He just does this weird thing where he slows everyone else down.

8:33
Neil Weinberg: I bet we get StatCast on that

8:33
8:33
Neil Weinberg: I was about to link this!

8:34
Comment From The Big Dipper
When will statcast make it’s way into the broadcasts?

8:34
Neil Weinberg: Yeah, MLB will make sure it does even if the broadcasters don’t love it

8:34
Comment From Gary
The people I usually text my snarky remarks about games aren’t watching anymore so you guys are going to have to put up with me.

8:34
Neil Weinberg: Fair.

8:37
Neil Weinberg: Shift works. Feel obligated to point it out because broadcasters only say when it fails

8:38
Comment From Pale Hose
Eno has been talking about Vogelsong’s increased velocity in the postseason. Is it fair to raise his baseline expectation based on the increased velo?

8:38
Neil Weinberg: Probably a bit.

8:39
Neil Weinberg: On that replay, Infante’s throwing hand needs to be closer to the glove when receiving

8:39
Comment From WC
Wish broadcasters would use defensive metrics more accurately and often too. When will DRS/UZR incorporate shifts?

8:39
Neil Weinberg: I think they want to fix that this offseason, but I don’t know if it’s for sure

8:40
Jeff Zimmerman: They wont’ without doing it first during the season.

8:41
Neil Weinberg: I thought he broke that on his back but the ball did it

8:41
Comment From harold
while everyone on campus is out in Halloween costumes, ive decided to remain in and watch baseball. dedication right there.

8:41
Neil Weinberg: #Hero

8:42
Comment From Chris
Maybe it’s too much to expect Bumgarner to pitch on short rest, but then again, this IS the World Series.

8:42
Neil Weinberg: It’s about who will be most effective.

8:42
Neil Weinberg: You don’t hold him back to protect him, you do it because pitchers do worse on short rest

8:43
Jeff Zimmerman: I have no problem with it.

8:43
Comment From Douggy
What is the classification of short rest? 3 days? Because Bumgarner has pitched a ton on 4 days rest and has been good http://www.baseball-referen…

8:43
Neil Weinberg: 3 days.

8:44
Comment From The Big Dipper
should have pinch hit herrera there

8:44
Neil Weinberg: Raining? This could get interesting.

8:45
Comment From Fish
If this goes into a delay I’m going to be kinda bummed

8:45
Neil Weinberg: If there is a two hour rain delay this chat will continue.

8:46
Comment From Evan
Rain in the forecast was an additional risk to starting Bumgarner on short rest.

8:46
Comment From The Real Dan
What’s your favorite kind of soup?

8:47
Jeff Zimmerman: French Onion

8:47
Neil Weinberg: I like this sausage/potato/kale thing. Or chicken noodle

8:47
Neil Weinberg: SoupGraphs

8:47
Comment From Gary
I would read soupgraphs. Get it going.

8:48
Neil Weinberg: Why do you think we’ve removing NotGraphs? Room for soup!

8:48
Comment From The Big Dipper
If you start analyzing desserts you could call it pie graphs

8:48
Jeff Zimmerman: Pozole

8:49
Neil Weinberg: /remembers there is baseball on TV, stops thinking about soup

8:50
Jeff Zimmerman: My eyes !!!!!!!!!!!! That shirt

8:50
Neil Weinberg: That ball was too easy to catch. Wanted Dyson to do something crazy

8:50
Comment From Douggy
Neil, do you read any Bless You Boys?

8:51
Jeff Zimmerman: Marlins man with a twisted hat

8:51
Comment From Gary
My wife said the same thing Jeff. You have an excellent sense of feminine fashionability.

8:51
Comment From Lawdog
Who advised Erin Andrews that “homely” was the best look?

8:51
Neil Weinberg: For sure. They are my favorite Tigers blog that I don’t own.

8:51
Comment From Hart
dont look at the shirt, jeff

8:52
Neil Weinberg: I would love MLB to institute the double base at first like in softball, just for the hot takes.

8:52
Comment From Douggy
“favorite Tigers blog that I don’t own”… I picture you as a blog mogul now Neil.

8:52
Jeff Zimmerman: Agree

8:52
Comment From a eskpert
it takes real passion to wear a grandmother sweater on National TV

8:52
Comment From Nile Weengrab
Yeah – eyes up top, JEFF!

8:52
Comment From Gary
That’s my number one currently desired rule change. The basepath is defined as outside the foul line from home to first so why should you have to run back into play to touch the base!

8:53
Neil Weinberg: The base line at first is so weird.

8:54
Comment From BDF
Empire going to be great or terrible? Really can’t tell.

8:54
Neil Weinberg: I think terrible?

8:54
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
Is Gotham actually good

8:54
Neil Weinberg: Watched one ep, will watch another. TVGraphs

8:55
Neil Weinberg: AL Pitcher Hitting TM

8:55
Comment From a eskpert
What about a blog for the artistic appreciation of statistical estimators: GraphGraphs

8:56
Comment From The Real Dan
This has been a productive few innings. We’ve created SoupGraphs, TVGraphs, GraphGraphs, and PieGraphs.

8:56
Neil Weinberg: Can’t tell if sarcasm or genuine happiness

8:57
Jeff Zimmerman: Super at bat by Vargas

8:57
Neil Weinberg: I retract my joke about Vargas hitting

8:58
Neil Weinberg: Second time through the order starts now. Gotta be ready to get Petit up if things get dicey

8:58
Comment From a eskpert
Vargas to an NL team?

8:58
Neil Weinberg: Royals think they are an NL team, so it’s cool. Zing!

8:59
Comment From Douggy
We’re possibly 26 or so hours away from the death of NotGraphs πŸ™

8:59
Neil Weinberg: It’s getting a non-FG home!

8:59
Comment From Evan
“Good bullpen session” is the in-season equivalent of “best shape of my life” and “added a new pitch.”

8:59
Comment From Hank
When was the last time someone had a BAD bullpen session? It’s like saying the “surgery went well”

8:59
Jeff Zimmerman: Marlins man covers up

9:00
Neil Weinberg: Fun fact, I would argue Miguel Cabrera turns 3-6-3 better than anyone

9:00
Comment From Douggy
” It’s getting a non-FG home!” For real? Did I miss this? Where’s it going or TBA?

9:00
Comment From Hart
bank notes harpa!

9:01
Comment From Outer Space
banknotesindustries.com

9:01
Comment From WC
Freeman and Simmons turn a mean DP I would argue as well πŸ™‚

9:02
Neil Weinberg: I almost thought FOX was showing us a direct shot of the sun

9:03
Neil Weinberg: I think you might have to PH for Vogey to start the 3rd, but odds of that are really low.

9:03
Jeff Zimmerman: My kids are headed to bed, they will no longer cover up HR and JB. Time to get annoyed

9:03
Comment From JZ
Can we switch Lavar Burton for Harold Reynolds?

9:03
Neil Weinberg: My niece met him last week! Was adorable

9:03
Jeff Zimmerman: Good throw? It was off by 3-4 feet

9:04
Neil Weinberg: It was the proper height!

9:04
Comment From Hart
not good throw!

9:04
Comment From BDF
Reynolds couldn’t be wronger, that was a bad throw by Posey.

9:04
Comment From WC
Horrible throw! Disaster averted by an inch.

9:05
Jeff Zimmerman: Agree Neil.

9:05
Comment From 34
he threw it to the correct base, therefore gold star, good throw

9:06
Neil Weinberg: I would double switch in Petit right here, but I am not “allowed to make lineup changes” because I’m a blogger

9:06
Jeff Zimmerman: In Play, Run(s)

9:06
Comment From Gary
ugly play by vogelsong there. Have to know where the base is.

9:06
Comment From Chris
VOGELSONG WHAT’RE YOU DOING?!? COVER

9:06
Neil Weinberg: Well then

9:07
Comment From Gary
That’s why they need the safety bag right there!

9:07
Neil Weinberg: Vogey needs to look to the base, then Belt, then back to the base. Just had no idea where he was

9:08
Comment From Guest
I don’t understand why the running lane to first is completely in foul territory, but the base is completely in fair territory.

9:09
Comment From Douggy
Vogy has been bad since Marlins guy poncho’d up

9:09
Neil Weinberg: For real, Petit should have pitched to the lefties.

9:10
Comment From Nick
Neil, its the third inning. You really want to go to the pen this early?

9:10
Neil Weinberg: Yeah. He’s also due up first next inning

9:10
Jeff Zimmerman: I think the Giants wanted to PH for Volgy. I would bring in another RP and then PH for them

9:11
Jeff Zimmerman: good move with Machi

9:11
Neil Weinberg: Yeah, that works too. Either way, he needs to come out before he bats

9:12
Comment From Chris
Did Bruce Bochy shave? When did this happen?

9:12
Comment From JZ
are those sliding sounds real or pumped in by some sound tech?

9:12
Neil Weinberg: mics on the base

9:13
9:13
Jeff Zimmerman: In Play, Run(s)

9:13
Neil Weinberg: You don’t often see Bochy get caught like that.

9:14
Comment From Gary
I wonder if America is ready for Infante, World Series MVP.

9:14
Comment From The Big Dipper
He’s an inspiration for little infants everywhere

9:14
Neil Weinberg: Wow he really doesn’t want to burn a reliever.

9:15
Jeff Zimmerman: Not good when Perez can’t find 1 of 3 pitches to swing at

9:16
Comment From Hank
How many 3-0 counts you think Perez has had this year?

9:16
Neil Weinberg: 15 I think?

9:16
Comment From Fish
Bochy: best manager ev – woops

9:16
Comment From The Real Dan
SALVY

9:16
Comment From The Big Dipper
Bruce Yostchy

9:17
Comment From 34
none of this is happening if Josh Willingham’s 9th inning bloop goes foul in the wildcard game

9:18
Neil Weinberg: WE is 81.8% for Royals.

9:18
Comment From Zen Madman
“Neil, its the third inning. You really want to go to the pen this early?” Maybe that would’ve been a good idea.

9:19
Comment From GS1
“none of this is happening if Josh Willingham’s 9th inning bloop goes foul in the wildcard game” – Post Hoc Fallacy

9:19
Neil Weinberg: Not really, because the Royals would have been eliminated right?

9:19
Neil Weinberg: Or was there one out?

9:20
Neil Weinberg: Oh right, foul/fair, not caught/lands

9:20
Comment From Jimbo
No Strickland here?

9:21
Neil Weinberg: Royals fan ^^^

9:21
Jeff Zimmerman: Throw fire at a fire

9:22
Comment From David
It’s Dyson. Even Strickland could keep that in the park

9:22
Neil Weinberg: Famous last words πŸ™‚

9:22
Comment From 34
This series needs to feature a Dyson splash hit to complete the weirdness.

9:23
Jeff Zimmerman: Or a Vargas slam

9:23
Comment From Fish
Or a Vargas one

9:23
Comment From Smartish Pace
either way: fair/foul, caught/lands, it’s Post Hoc fallacy

9:24
Neil Weinberg: Yeah, I was misremembering the situation.

9:24
Comment From GS1
Pitchers Dyson has homered off of: Kevin Slowey, Dan Haren, Phil Hughes, Dylan Axelrod

9:24
Neil Weinberg: So many comments about Vargas HR

9:25
Comment From Ryan
The Royals should pinch hit here, right?

9:25
Neil Weinberg: I think, technically, yes.

9:26
Comment From neddy
Pinch hit who? The mighty Aoki?

9:26
Neil Weinberg: That was fun.

9:27
Comment From Ruki
XD Vargas freezing = I WANT THAT GIF/PIC

9:27
Jeff Zimmerman: I think we all do

9:27
Neil Weinberg: Might need Sullivan to do a Vargas hitting post.

9:29
Neil Weinberg: Wife opened bag of pretzels. Dog woke up immediately.

9:29
Comment From Jack
If the Royals win tonight, what are the odds of getting to Game 6? Game 7?

9:29
Neil Weinberg: 50/50, then like 25/75

9:30
Comment From Guest
I can accurately measure the current leverage index by whether or not my dog decides he needs to go outside.

9:30
Neil Weinberg: this is so true

9:32
Jeff Zimmerman: See, keeping Volgy in was so worth it.

9:33
Neil Weinberg: Royals in same spot. Get Duffy/Finnegan up now.

9:33
Comment From Gary
Should have brought in Danny Duffy so we get to hear the analysts talk about the first ever Duffy v Duffy in the world series.

9:34
Neil Weinberg: Dog has moved on top of me. Confirms importance of moment in the game.

9:35
Comment From Ryan
I think Bochy stuck with Vogelsong because he saw today’s FG article about Vogelson’s velocity– this is what paying attention to the statheads does!

9:35
Neil Weinberg: Our bad.

9:35
Jeff Zimmerman: #blameEno

9:36
Comment From Matt
Completely unrealistic for Twins fans to hope for Maddon as the next manager?

9:36
Neil Weinberg: Not crazy.

9:36
Neil Weinberg: Not likely, but not crazy.

9:36
Jeff Zimmerman: I think so, but hope away

9:37
Comment From Martin
Do the Royals have a long relief guy available? It would probably be preferable to Herrera throwing 30 pitches again, right?

9:37
Jeff Zimmerman: Duffy

9:38
Comment From Hank
You go Wade Davis for 2 innings tonight if needed no?

9:38
Neil Weinberg: Yes.

9:38
Comment From David S.
Dog is asleep. Nothing exciting will happen. Expect a bathroom break if Buster singles

9:38
Neil Weinberg: Get the leash.

9:39
Neil Weinberg: Pence is gonna tie it.

9:39
Neil Weinberg: That’s how Pence works.

9:39
Comment From 34
is it just me or is it weird that Yost turns to Herrara for over 1 inning more than Davis? Seems Davis would be the obvious choice for longer relief outings.

9:40
Neil Weinberg: Supposedly Davis likes the idea of one inning only, but that might not be true

9:40
Jeff Zimmerman: Herrera recovers faster according to the pitchers and Yost

9:40
Neil Weinberg: So, I don’t want to be that guy, but I recommended they have someone warming this inning.

9:41
Comment From Gary
It’s a good thing the Dodgers didn’t make it to play the royals. There would be dozens of bench clearing brawls between Mattingly’s hypersensitivity and the Royals tendency to pitch up and in.

9:41
Neil Weinberg: Collins?!

9:41
Jeff Zimmerman: Timmah !!!!

9:42
Jeff Zimmerman: Panda has been watching too many Perez at bats

9:42
Neil Weinberg: Not exactly a good at bat. Or an okay one.

9:43
Comment From Matt
At some point you’d think Panda would be better off just facing lefties from the left side?

9:43
Comment From The Real Dan
Who likes golf ball pitches more–Panda or Vlad?

9:43
Comment From tom
So during the break, what do you think of Ray owner Stuart Sternberg’s comments about moving the team to Montreal?

9:44
Neil Weinberg: Probably just trying to get a new stadium in TB

9:44
Comment From easywhencheesy.
What comes first, Rays move or expansion?

9:45
Neil Weinberg: Expansion, Rays will get a new park but stay in TB, if I’m betting

9:45
Comment From Gary
it just seems clear that TB area isn’t capable of supporting a team. I wish they would move.

9:45
Neil Weinberg: Aren’t their TV ratings good?

9:45
Comment From B
Only 3 innings complete and almost 2 hours in? Hope those AFL rules get implemented.

9:45
Neil Weinberg: Park is lame and not in agood location, right?

9:46
Comment From The Big Dipper
Most likely destination for an expansion team? Charlotte? Brooklyn? North Dakota?

9:46
Neil Weinberg: Portland. Maybe San Antonio/Austin?

9:46
Jeff Zimmerman: Des Moines, no one in Iowa gets to watch baseball right now with the blackout rules already

9:47
Comment From B
Des Moines is seeing better baseball than Chicago!

9:48
Comment From WillieBloomquistButtCyst
Austin is too small to support an MLB team.

9:48
Neil Weinberg: Austin is the biggest city without a pro team, right?

9:49
Neil Weinberg: (all four sports)

9:49
Neil Weinberg: It is hard to hit HR in SF, news at 11

9:49
Jeff Zimmerman: Is Tucson close?

9:50
Jeff Zimmerman: Nope, but Vegas is close

9:50
Comment From Ruki
Austin does have a professional sports team: The Texas Longhorns. πŸ˜‰

9:51
Neil Weinberg: Soup and Geography.

9:51
Comment From B
A quick Wiki search…Austin is the most populous city in the United States without a club in a major professional sports league.

9:51
Jeff Zimmerman: Not today,

9:51
Comment From Tim
it’s a crime that Petit has only pitched 9 innings this post season

9:52
Jeff Zimmerman: He is stud, one the good finds I have had in my quick takes

9:52
Comment From easywhencheesy.
Do you guys believe the mlb should have designated fence lengths? ( I don’t but just want to see everyone’s opinion)

9:52
Neil Weinberg: I prefer weird parks

9:53
Comment From Chris
The higher the aLI, the more exciting the game, yes? Is that also true for aWE, or is that an inverse relationship?

9:53
Jeff Zimmerman: I love unique ones, especially with some climate variations

9:53
Neil Weinberg: You want a WE of close to 50% for excitement

9:53
Comment From Ryan
Do the Astros still have the weird CF hill? That can go.

9:53
Neil Weinberg: yes

9:53
Jeff Zimmerman: Yes

9:53
Neil Weinberg: There is a dog in the cove!

9:54
Jeff Zimmerman: with a fire

9:55
Comment From Tim
why are they even discussing pinch hitting for Petit!

9:55
Jeff Zimmerman: I don’t think they know how good he is

9:55
Neil Weinberg: If there are men on base you probably have to…

9:56
Comment From JZ
I pretty much just want to watch Vargas bat now that I know his BA was higher than Tulo’s in college when they were on the same team.

9:57
Neil Weinberg: Vargas has four more batters max, but probably fewer.

9:58
Comment From GS1
Jeff have you pitched against anybody in this series?

9:58
Jeff Zimmerman: Wrong Jeff Zimmerman

9:59
Jeff Zimmerman: I never got the $10M contract from the Rangers, but would gladly take some of it

9:59
Comment From Jimbo
How would this Jeff Zimmerman have done if he did pitch against them?

9:59
Jeff Zimmerman: Ugly, my arm is one of my worst tools

10:00
Comment From David S.
Mistake letting Petit hit?

10:00
Jeff Zimmerman: Guess not

10:00
Neil Weinberg: Of course.

10:00
Comment From Mike
Haha. Baseball

10:01
Neil Weinberg: Pinch hitter would have been +0.1 runs my rough estimate. Petit cares not for math

10:02
Comment From 34
they should go for the double steal here, because lol

10:02
Jeff Zimmerman: It would work, I see Salvy air mailing the throw

10:03
Comment From Jimbo
Perez could tag Petit himself if he tried to steal 2nd

10:03
Jeff Zimmerman: No way, Salvy could be the slowest everyday player in the game, he is slower than Butler

10:03
Comment From Ruki
Perez would miss the base if he tried to tag Petit himself, though.

10:04
Jeff Zimmerman: Winner

10:04
Neil Weinberg: We are going to be here for a long time. Someone bring me my laptop charger.

10:04
Comment From The Big Dipper
Man I can’t wait until these elections are over

10:04
Neil Weinberg: I live in NC. It is madness.

10:06
Jeff Zimmerman: Usually, I see none of them, but the normal Republicans winners (Gov and Senate) are in tight races here in Kansas. It sucks

10:06
Comment From The Real Dan
Zimmerman you’re in KC?!

10:06
Jeff Zimmerman: Wichita

10:07
Comment From The Real Dan
We need to have a KCK meet up.

10:07
Jeff Zimmerman: I been to about every post season game, got my game 6 and 7 tickets sitting right next to me.

10:08
Jeff Zimmerman: Marlins man going upside down

10:09
Jeff Zimmerman: Just missed it

10:09
Neil Weinberg: Did Hosmer just suit up?

10:09
Comment From The Big Dipper
Ok Google, why is it called a bullpen?

10:10
Jeff Zimmerman: Really, little high and outside

10:12
Comment From The Big Dipper
I can’t believe Infante is only 32. I feel like he’s been around since I was in diapers

10:12
Neil Weinberg: Came up young. Couldn’t believe he was only 30 when the Tigers got him back

10:13
Jeff Zimmerman: and the Royals have him for another 3 seasons

10:15
Neil Weinberg: Halfway done in 2 hours. That’s not that bad, said a person living in 2014.

10:15
Jeff Zimmerman: Vargas better not stay in

10:15
Neil Weinberg: Pitch to Panik, then he’s out

10:16
Comment From Guest
Once again, two innings left for the Giants offense

10:17
Comment From Fish
Are we doing shots of Cuervo?

10:17
Comment From Fish
Game four drinking game, starting….now!

10:17
Jeff Zimmerman: Looks like Fish is ready to tie one on

10:17
Comment From Adam
Drink every time you want HR to make more sense

10:19
Neil Weinberg: Third time through.

10:19
Comment From The Big Dipper
o gee didnt see that coming

10:19
Neil Weinberg: Does this mean Mo’ne is coming in to pitch??

10:20
Comment From The Big Dipper
If Mo’ne is throwing 85 by the time she’s a senior do you think she will get drafted?

10:20
Neil Weinberg: She wants to play basketball, but I would love to see it.

10:21
Jeff Zimmerman: Maybe, but doubt it. BTW, I highly recommend the Sports Gene. Great stuff in there on throwing differences between males and females

10:23
Neil Weinberg: Mentioning reliever W-L record. What’s the point?

10:23
Jeff Zimmerman: Teams waste picks all the time, Neil’s Tigers almost always draft a guy from Bishop Carroll High School in Wichita with their last pick because some in the scouting department went there.

10:24
Neil Weinberg: Right. Tigers draft family members all the time.

10:25
Jeff Zimmerman: I saw their 2014 14th and 40th round pick playing this past Friday

10:26
Neil Weinberg: Pence gonna Pence

10:26
Comment From morF
I feel like Escobar should have had a chance there

10:26
Neil Weinberg: To touch it, but no way he gets anyone

10:27
Jeff Zimmerman: positioning was the issue and now need to get another beer

10:27
Comment From Douggyy
Have any of you guys met Appleman? Still think he might not truly exist

10:27
Jeff Zimmerman: Yep, he is really dude

10:27
Neil Weinberg: Have any of you met me?! I could be fake.

10:29
Comment From Fish
Yeah but we chat with you

10:29
Neil Weinberg: I can confirm I have exchanged written words with Appelman.

10:29
Neil Weinberg: Hitting Panda on the right side would be a giant favor. Zing.

10:30
Neil Weinberg: Of course.

10:31
Neil Weinberg: This has the feel of an 18 inning game.

10:31
Neil Weinberg: @MLB handle just made an Anchorman reference.

10:32
10:32
Neil Weinberg: At some point, you just tell HDH to get all of the outs.

10:33
Comment From Santiago
If you could, would you bring Davis now?

10:33
Neil Weinberg: Yes.

10:33
Jeff Zimmerman: Probably

10:34
Jeff Zimmerman: I am pretty much just throwing stuff, so you going solo Neil

10:35
Neil Weinberg: This might get ugly.

10:35
Neil Weinberg: Wow.

10:36
Neil Weinberg: Everything about that was great.

10:36
Comment From Chris
I agree with Harold Reynolds; that WAS a great baseball play

10:36
Neil Weinberg: But defense should totally be taken out of WAR πŸ™‚

10:37
Comment From David S.
Like clockwork the dog is whining at the door.

10:40
Comment From Guest
Did both hosts leave?

10:40
Neil Weinberg: I think Jeff had a heart attack.

10:41
Neil Weinberg: Alright, Dyson leading off.

10:41
Jeff Zimmerman: Maybe

10:41
Neil Weinberg: Expecting HR.

10:42
Comment From Guest
I want to see an inside the park HR. Dyson is a good choice for that.

10:43
Neil Weinberg: Harold can’t get over Hunter Pence knowing how to tag up.

10:43
Neil Weinberg: What percentage of players fail to tag there? 5%?

10:43
Jeff Zimmerman: If even that high

10:44
Neil Weinberg: Dyson on base! Steal?!

10:44
Neil Weinberg: Don’t bunt. Steal second.

10:44
Jeff Zimmerman: I always consider an Aoki at bat a success if he stays on his feet.

10:45
Comment From mtsw
We have any data in how much of an advantage a batter gains from having an elite base stealer on 1st via distracting the pitcher? Worth .025 points of BA?

10:45
Neil Weinberg: Pretty sure the evidence says the opposite. Distracts hitter. But I’m not 100%

10:46
Jeff Zimmerman: It is in The Book, but usually it makes the hitter worse because they stand around too much

10:46
Neil Weinberg: Huge. #analysis

10:47
Comment From The Big Dipper
success by your definition jeff

10:48
Jeff Zimmerman: Sort of, not good baseball. Looks like the Royals are regressing to their regular season production

10:48
Comment From Ryan
THT has some good stuff on the base stealer effect: http://www.hardballtimes.co…

10:48
Comment From Tim
mgl just covered that http://mglbaseball.wordpres…

10:49
Comment From The Big Dipper
Horrible bosses 2? There was a horrible bosses 1? This looks like the worst movie ever.

10:49
Neil Weinberg: I would go Davis-Herrara-Holland tonight, because you need someone ready behind Duffy and Herrara probably doesn’t have the rope.

10:50
Comment From :ΓΎ
Herrera. With an e.

10:50
Neil Weinberg: Typos gonna typo

10:50
Comment From Skore
Duffy is out

10:50
Neil Weinberg: Right, meant Finnegan.

10:51
Comment From Guest
MGL is invited to do a broadcast. How many minutes of a game do you give him before he is tossed out?

10:51
Neil Weinberg: 15-20.

10:52
Comment From The Big Dipper
why does he get tossed out?

10:52
Neil Weinberg: He would be very outspoken when the others said silly things.

10:52
Comment From Tim
I would LOVE to hear an mgl broadcast

10:52
Neil Weinberg: Follow him on Twitter. Basically the same.

10:52
Jeff Zimmerman: Ned Yost is sad because he can’t call for the bunt right now

10:53
Neil Weinberg: https://twitter.com/mitchel… for those asking

10:54
Comment From The Big Dipper
Jeff are you ok?

10:54
Jeff Zimmerman: no

10:54
Comment From Pale Hose
I’ve seen Finnegan pitch a lot now, and the only thing I know about him is he pitched in the CWS.

10:54
Neil Weinberg: He is left-handed.

10:54
Comment From Donzo
Royals getting BABIP’d to death or what?

10:54
Neil Weinberg: That was a hard hit ball.

10:55
Comment From Joe
They need to get Wade Davis ready for Posey

10:55
Neil Weinberg: Yes.

10:55
Comment From mtsw
Is that package Fox just showed about the bat staying in the zone as dumb as it looked?

10:55
Comment From Chris
I’m not learning anything from this “place a horizontal line over the batters’ swings” lesson

10:55
Comment From Tim
shutup about level Giant swings!

10:56
Neil Weinberg: Was my dream as a catcher to get a guy leaning off second like that

10:56
Neil Weinberg: Never did

10:56
Comment From Joe
doing this so he can get Wade Davis warm?

10:56
Comment From Who Is Zorbist?
Yost is going to lose a timeout.

10:57
Neil Weinberg: If only.

10:57
Neil Weinberg: I wonder what Harold thinks they do at NASA

10:58
Neil Weinberg: The amazing thing will be if they need the challenge this half inning.

10:59
Jeff Zimmerman: whoa Finnegan

10:59
Neil Weinberg: That was a technically proficient bunt.

10:59
Comment From Tim
“highlight” joe panik

10:59
Comment From The Big Dipper
yost gonna yost

10:59
Neil Weinberg: Gotta have Davis here.

11:00
Comment From Ryan
So what’s the run expectancy before and after the IBB?

11:01
Neil Weinberg: About 1.2 and 1.4. Can check our live scores for exact

11:02
Neil Weinberg: I think they had him at the plate, but need to see it again

11:03
Jeff Zimmerman: Great ….

11:03
Neil Weinberg: Or…don’t show the replay.

11:04
Comment From Greg
could’ve gotten 2 on the ground ball

11:04
Neil Weinberg: Still empty in the pen?

11:04
Neil Weinberg: I must say, this is what it’s like to be a Tigers fan.

11:05
Jeff Zimmerman: The Tigers usually wait until the 8th or 9th to break down

11:05
Neil Weinberg: Weird part is that this is Aaron Crow’s inning

11:06
Comment From JZ
except the tigers do it with their best relievers

11:06
Comment From Guest
so should escobar have tried for the dp on pence’s grounder?

11:06
Neil Weinberg: Possibly. Tough to say with how quickly he gets down the line

11:08
Comment From Guest
Ahahaha! NotGraphs will never die!

11:08
Neil Weinberg: It was dead….the whole time.

11:10
Neil Weinberg: No way Ish/Morse make that play

11:10
Jeff Zimmerman: This one looks to be the Giants … nice grab

11:11
Neil Weinberg: It’s the seventh inning, so the Cardinals are probably going to find a way to score.

11:11
Comment From :ΓΎ
nah, no kershaw

11:11
Neil Weinberg: Watch the last three innings take 20 mins

11:12
Comment From hscer
aaand now BABIP is turning against the Royals. of course, it is what got them 4 runs

11:12
Neil Weinberg: Hosmer should negotiate a plea deal right here

11:13
Neil Weinberg: Perfect.

11:13
Comment From Tim
giant pitchers should just not field

11:13
Neil Weinberg: Hosmer was completely overmatched and reaches after the previous two guys hit the ball hard.

11:14
Comment From hscer
the BABIP gods are being very indecisive tonight lol

11:14
Neil Weinberg: BABIP gods got a hold of that BWW button

11:14
Neil Weinberg: Shift works.

11:14
Jeff Zimmerman: and Moose hits into the shift …. no way

11:18
Comment From The Big Dipper
not a lot of comments flowing through…are u guys getting sleepy?

11:18
Neil Weinberg: Shoot. Can’t come up with witty comeback.

11:18
Comment From Jared
So predictions on the rest of the series?

11:19
Neil Weinberg: Giants in 6.

11:19
Jeff Zimmerman: No, no much going on and most of the comments ripping God Bless American and the person singing it

11:21
Comment From The Big Dipper
who’s chatting tomorrow?

11:21
Jeff Zimmerman: You know Neil?

11:21
Neil Weinberg: Petriello I think

11:22
Comment From Guest
You two would be horrible as play-by-play commentators. Almost no discussion.

11:22
Jeff Zimmerman: We told you so

11:22
Comment From Guest
Why is Finnegan still in? Royals giving up?

11:22
Neil Weinberg: Yeah, we need a play by play guy to set us up

11:22
Jeff Zimmerman: Looks that way

11:23
Comment From Guest
Best way to get a comment published… Mention the lack of comments (and maybe insult the hosts).

11:23
Neil Weinberg: Wait, you tricked me…

11:24
Comment From Matt
Are teams just punting the 7th+ innings? Giants brought in Lincecum the other night. Royals stuck with Finnegan. Dave said the WE vs. the Royal bullpen in the 6th with a lead was close to 0 with the “Big Three

11:24
Comment From Guest
So only Tim Collins left if the Royals don’t want to use Davis or Holland. Any chance we see a position player pitch?

11:25
Jeff Zimmerman: Mitch Maier is no longer on the team

11:25
Neil Weinberg: Been thinking about this. Royals probably decided that fresh pen tomorrow is better than trying to win? That’s my best guess, but I don’t know

11:26
Comment From Ned Yost
well, we also want to save the big three for extra innings tonight

11:26
Jeff Zimmerman: Against Bum? They needed to win today

11:27
Comment From WC
Yost: We’re not winning, so no Big 3 tonight.

11:28
Jeff Zimmerman: Pretty much, not much thinking going on in his dome

11:28
Comment From Bruce Bochy
Ned, buddy I tried to give you the game by starting Vogelsong over Petiit and you blew it.

11:30
Comment From Wendy
Bunt!

11:30
Neil Weinberg: Couldn’t decided which bunt comment to publish. Paniked.

11:30
Neil Weinberg: That was a bad joke and I feel bad

11:30
Jeff Zimmerman: /still finding stuff to throw

11:32
Neil Weinberg: At 6 runs, it’s over, but Collins versus Posey here still looks silly

11:32
Comment From Jimbo
Panik has made nice contact with a short stroke all post season. But evaluators do not like him much.

11:32
Comment From mtsw
Which position player do you pick to relieve Collins?

11:32
Jeff Zimmerman: An out

11:32
Neil Weinberg: Aoki was used already πŸ™

11:33
Comment From KK
You can feel the “Giant’s Don’t Panik” headlines coming.

11:33
Jeff Zimmerman: Billy Butler hit 90 mph in HS

11:34
Comment From WC
Panik at the Disco! KC’s luck has run out; random variation; playoff crapshoot; blah blah… What’s the new storyline tomorrow?!

11:34
Jeff Zimmerman: Jeff is going to Game 6

11:34
Neil Weinberg: Strickland warming!

11:35
Jeff Zimmerman: We now have a chance, thanks Bochy

11:37
Comment From KK-Swizzle
Team Baseball = Scoring more runs than the other team

11:37
Neil Weinberg: How many runs for a position player to pitch in the WS? 10?

11:38
Comment From Guest
hahahaha https://twitter.com/mitchel…

11:38
Comment From Adam
HR pointed out that the Giants play team baseball. Will the secret that you can field a team make it to other clubs?

11:40
Comment From Guest
2 runs in the 5th, 3 in the 6th, 4 in the 7th, expecting 5 runs in the 8th.

11:41
Jeff Zimmerman: sounds about right

11:41
Comment From Guest
Royals need to take the lead so the Giants can score 6 in the 9th.

11:41
Neil Weinberg: Pretty good WE graph tonight http://www.fangraphs.com/li…

11:42
Comment From Adam
As a youngish Royals fan this game feels like home.

11:43
Neil Weinberg: 15 runs scored at AT&T. Wonder how rare that is?

11:44
Comment From Vargas gif
http://i.imgur.com/D10WzYE.gif

11:45
Comment From Wendy
Jackson Pollock finally got some run on a broadcast!

11:45
Jeff Zimmerman: HR showing off his doodles

11:47
Comment From mtsw
How many SF runs were attributable to swings so flat they could be illustrated with horizontal lines drawn on screen?

11:47
Neil Weinberg: Gotta be at least half.

11:48
Comment From Im( πŸ™‚ ) = :
Why should I keep watching?

11:49
Neil Weinberg: You’ve made it this far! 6 more outs.

11:49
Jeff Zimmerman: For the .01% chance of a comeback

11:51
Comment From mtsw
How many runs does KC have to be down before Royals bunting becomes a rational decision because it ends the game earlier?

11:51
Comment From mtsw
How many runs does KC have to be down before Royals bunting becomes a rational decision because it ends the game earlier?

11:51
Neil Weinberg: Still gotta tire out the Giants reliever

11:53
Neil Weinberg: For the people who haven’t bailed on the game? What’s on your mind?

11:53
Neil Weinberg: How much can you say about a middle reliever wearing one?

11:54
Comment From Robert
Since Giants have broke open the game, I’ve been watching old barry bonds highlights. He may be a despicable person but he was really fun to watch.

11:55
Comment From Tim
sad the baseball season is going to be over soon, it always goes so fast

11:55
Comment From Guest
How many people still in the chat?

11:55
Jeff Zimmerman: 4 outs to go

11:55
Neil Weinberg: Few hundred?

11:55
Comment From Greg
I’m rooting for the royals, so the rationalization is that they have to lose one so they can win it all at home

11:55
Jeff Zimmerman: Sort of works

11:55
Comment From mtsw
Which widely reviled but indisputably outstanding, player is more likely to be looked back on as misunderstood good guy rather than villain: Bonds or A-Rod?

11:56
Neil Weinberg: Bonds, I think.

11:56
Jeff Zimmerman: Bonds easily

11:56
Comment From Eric G
Brandon Crawford struck out swinging. LI: 0.00

11:56
Neil Weinberg: THERE IS NO LEVERAGE.

11:57
Comment From Tim
so this loss was good because the big three get to rest?!

11:58
Jeff Zimmerman: I would have rather seen them throw

11:58
Comment From mtsw
Better cushy job: one of those random actors who turns up in every other commercial or bullpen catcher?

11:58
Neil Weinberg: I want to be a bullpen catcher so bad.

11:59
Jeff Zimmerman: Same here, but I would have to sit on a bucket, my knees are gone

12:01
Comment From David S.
Is Strickland the best low-leverage reliever of all time?

12:01
Neil Weinberg: That would actually be a fun thing to explore.

12:02
Comment From Ruki
Someone get on the low leverage reliever article then.

12:02
Neil Weinberg: And so began the Royals comeback…

12:03
Comment From Guest
Is Jeff still watching?

12:03
Jeff Zimmerman: Sadly, yes

12:04
Comment From Adam
Is Yost planning Herrera 2,Davis 2, Holland 1 if he is semi rational?

12:05
Neil Weinberg: Probably *planning* on Shields 6, then three from those guys.

12:05
Jeff Zimmerman: Sounds about right

12:06
Comment From Zack
If Shields is in trouble early, he should have a short leash on him. He should arguable be thinking 2 innings from all 3 of those guys

12:06
Neil Weinberg: Yeah. With the off day especially.

12:07
Comment From Guest
Regarding bullpen catcher, to try to handle 95+ degree heat over and over night after night does not sound like fun.

12:07
Jeff Zimmerman: What else am I going to do, sit around and complain about HR?

12:08
Comment From KK-Swizzle
Fun fact: Kelvin Herrea has more WS at-bats in SF then Billy Butler

12:08
Jeff Zimmerman: Bye all

12:08
Neil Weinberg: Alright, only took four hours! Not too bad.

12:09
Neil Weinberg: Hope this was a reasonably enjoyable chat.

12:09
Neil Weinberg: (hopes someone leaves hilarious comment so this can end on a high note)

12:09
Neil Weinberg: (waits)

12:10
Neil Weinberg: Alright, take care all. I think Mike P tomorrow and then Dave/Jeff for Game 6.





Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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Joshua Northey
9 years ago

My favorite idiot talking head comments from after the game were the two separate times I heard people praise SF’s players for “not trying to catch up all in one inning”.

A) I am SURE that each and every inning they were down, they were, “trying to catch up all in that inning”.
B) They did in actual fact catch up all in one inning…

Avattoir
9 years ago
Reply to  Joshua Northey

No no: they WEREN’T ‘ttcuaiti’, that’s the POINT.

It’s all very zen. Yes, KC has it’s Aoki, but Buddha preached one should strive toward equanimity with personal grace and poise, never straining against Destiny. Is that not so VERY Ishikawa? And Nori the Living Buddha’s manifestation of the futility of striving against Fate?

Ruki Motomiya
9 years ago
Reply to  Avattoir

I read that as “never straining against Denny’s” and my first thought was “Billy Butler must not be a very good buddhist.”