Welcome to our Open Game Thread for the NLCS game today. Chat with fellow readers as we watch the Dodgers play the Brewers! Only Members can participate, and unlike our usual game chats, your messages will be posted immediately.
Our Member community is made up of thousands of incredibly knowledgable baseball fans, and we think this is a great way to follow a game with like-minded baseball enthusiasts. We might even have some FanGraphs Staff drop in and join the fun. Please be courteous to your fellow Members, or you may find your chat privileges revoked.
Demetrio Crisantes is off to a hot start in the Arizona Fall League. The 22-year-old second baseman has gone 8-for-20 with a triple and a pair of doubles for the Salt River Rafters. That hardly comes as a surprise. As our own Brendan Gawlowski wrote prior to the regular season, “Crisantes has a case as the best pure hitter in the D-backs system.”
The Tucson native’s track record largely backs up that opinion. Since being drafted in the seventh round by his home-state team in 2023 out of Nogales High School, Crisantes has slashed .312/.399/.473 with a 125 wRC+. Moreover, this past season he batted .296 with 10 home runs over 335 plate appearances between three levels, topping out at Triple-A. Notably, Arizona’s No. 3 prospect played all but the final two weeks as a 21-year-old.
Staying on the field has been an issue. Crisantes has undergone a pair of Tommy John surgeries — the first at age 15, the second two years later — and he has subsequently dealt with hamstring and shoulder injuries. That makes his stint in the desert especially meaningful. Eric Longenhagen put it this way in his Fall League preview:
“He has really hit when he’s been healthy, and how he looks in the AFL might help inform whether the D-backs feel comfortable trading Ketel Marte this offseason. He’s arguably the most important eval in the entire league.”
Asked for a self-assessment of his strengths as a hitter, Crisantes cited the plus contact skills described in Gawlowski’s scouting report. Read the rest of this entry »
When the Los Angeles Dodgers finished off the Atlanta Braves in Game 4 of the NLDS, they set up a rematch of last year’s NLCS against the Milwaukee Brewers. Last time around, the Brewers, coming off an extremely successful 97-65 season, ran into the Dodger buzzsaw and were swept out of the postseason. While Milwaukee mostly kept Los Angeles’ offense in check, the Brew Crew could only muster one run in each of their four games, and when that’s all you manage to score, you have to pitch shutouts to prevail. As noted in many a book and movie, revenge frequently comes with a good deal of satisfaction, whatever Herman Melville may have thought. And the Brewers now have the chance to turn the tables on the Dodgers and stymie their quest for baseball’s first three-peat (please don’t sue me, Pat Riley) of the 21st century.
Going back to the start of the modern World Series in 1903, there have been 45 consecutive-year postseason rematches in major league history (here we’re including a rematch in any playoff series the following year). In 17 of those 45 rematches, the previous year’s loser got their revenge, but no team has immediately avenged a playoff sweep. Granted, before now, there have only been five chances for a team to get vengeance the year after being swept in the playoffs — Orioles-Twins in 1970, Yankees-Rangers in 1999, Cardinals-Padres in 2006, Red Sox-Angels in 2008, and Yankees-Twins in 2010 — but it still gives the Brewers the opportunity to do something that’s never been done before.
ZiPS favors the Dodgers by a significant, but not overwhelming, margin in the NLCS. But with the fourth-most wins in the majors over the last decade, including the most wins in each of the last two seasons, the Brewers aren’t your typical scrappy underdog fighting for table scraps. Yet, in another sense, they are: Every year, they crush the expectations of fans, the Vegas oddsmakers, and projection systems. As the developer of one of those projection systems, I’ve spent a lot of time scratching my head over how the Brewers so routinely defy the expectations of my model in a way no other team has, and while I think I’ve identified the mechanism of my humiliation, I’m still trying to figure out how to model it. Read the rest of this entry »
Pope Leo XIV may not have quite as much pull with The Man Upstairs as Chicago fans had hoped. After obliterating the Astros in the Wild Card Series and jumping out to a 2-0 lead in the ALDS, the White Sox dropped three in a row to end their miracle 2026 season. On the back of a brilliant performance from starter Gavin Williams, the Guardians defeated the White Sox, 2-0, in Game 5. They’ll now head to St. Petersburg to face the Rays on Monday night, making their second ALCS appearance in three years.
So many things about this series were odd. Both managers pulled every lever they could get their hands on. The first four games featured 49 pitchers and just 54 hits. Cleveland manager Stephen Vogt continued the trend in Game 5. He shook up his lineup, sitting catcher Austin Hedges in favor of Patrick Bailey, who homered in Game 4. Angel Martínez, who went 0-for-15 in the first four games of the series, got benched in favor of Petey Halpin, who ran a 66 wRC+ in the regular season. But after all the mixing and matching and overthinking, the rubber match was a genuine, old-fashioned pitcher’s duel. If you’re a fan of gaudy strikeout totals and teardrop curveballs pouring into the strike zone, this was the game for you.
The game also looked like it might be impacted by weather. Rain started falling before first pitch, with the intensity picking up in the bottom of the second. By the third, the television broadcast was cutting to Guardians fans wearing ponchos and the cleat cleaner was getting significant air time. The grounds crew replaced the cleat cleaner after the third, and just like that, the rain calmed down. By the fifth, it had all but stopped. Read the rest of this entry »
Welcome to our Open Game Thread for the ALDS game today. Chat with fellow readers as we watch the Guardians play the White Sox! Only Members can participate, and unlike our usual game chats, your messages will be posted immediately.
Our Member community is made up of thousands of incredibly knowledgable baseball fans, and we think this is a great way to follow a game with like-minded baseball enthusiasts. We might even have some FanGraphs Staff drop in and join the fun. Please be courteous to your fellow Members, or you may find your chat privileges revoked.
Keaton Arneson
UND football is blowing it's chance for #1 after next week.
Sean Dolinar
Sounds like you are only missing heartbreak.
Keaton Arneson
And our All American caliber QB is hurt. He was probably going to get $ million+ next year from a big school.
Brian547
What is the community consensus on whether the bullpen management by Vogt has been horrible, or horrible enough to warrant his immediate removal?
Keaton Arneson
I have hated bullpen management this series, but no way I would let Vogt go. I assume bullpen management wasn't just a Vogt decision, but a game plan worked out with the front office.
Sean Dolinar
Good evening! Appreciate everyone being here.
Brian547
It was worked out that you would only use your BEST pitchers in the LOWEST leverage situations???? What?
Keaton Arneson
I agree. I think it's been too much of win now and not to win the series.
Brian547
Why is Festa on the roster?
Keaton Arneson
If he wasn't hurt, I would have pitched him over Smith and Williams in the 9th
Keaton Arneson
I don't know if he's hurt
Brian547
Or 8th or previous game 8th or 9th… ok end rant… I am just venting a bit and looking for feedback. Cheers for the platform, everyone enjoy the game!!
Sean Dolinar
This is good content, thought!
Phil
I guess my mild defense of Vogt would be tbat, given the state of CWS's pitching, they have a decent chance of a blowout win in game 5. So all in in game 4 made some sense, maybe. Nevertheless, I agree that even with that assumption, some of the details were perplexing.
John Church
They were already in a “big lead” situation, up by 5 in the 8th (or at latest, in the 9th). How big a lead do you need to use your lower leverage guys?
Brian547
umm… not buying the "Hey guys tomorrow is guaranteed to be a blowout win, so its fine if I'm stupid today" defense.
Keaton Arneson
The real question is over/under 3 innings from Williams today and over/under 1.5 runs from Smith? These are the consequences of the previous decisions.
Brian547
The only good idea I have had is that maybe – and this is a real conspiracy theory- the assumption was that hurricane is coming and there will not be a game on SAT.
Philedited
The only hurricane I can remember making it to Cleveland was Sandy, which came from the other direction.
Brian547
like I meant to imply its a horrible horrible explanation… just the only one I have.
John Church
It’s an extreme application of “Don’t save your pitcher for tomorrow; tomorrow it may rain.”
Phil
It might, in fact, but probably later, I think.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Happy Sam Antonacci Appreciation Week to everyone!
small e
my read on Vogt is he got stuck in "we can't plan for game 5 unless we make sure to win today", which makes a small amount of sense, but if you increase your odds of winning G4 from 99.1% to 99.9% by using your best pitchers but maybe dramatically reduce your strength for G5…
Brian547
Right this is catastrophically bad management… no?
small e
for me not fireably bad since he's proven to be very well respected at the job otherwise and this is a kind of strategic choice that could be corrected next time
Brian547edited
If actively making your team less likely to win the series is not fire able can you give an example of something else, within the realm of could plausibly happen, which would rise to that level?
si.or.no
As a card carrying member of Team Entropy (still waiting for my flair), I really enjoy the chaos created by the, um, non-traditional bullpen usage.
Phil
Rays probably have no objection either.
bosoxforlife
I followed college football until the hated NIL turned the game into the NFL minor league but with major league salaries in the Big 4 conferences. There was a time that App. State could beat Michigan in the Big House. Today every game between majors and mid majors is 70-0. I haven't watched a game, even UConn, this year.
Keaton Arnesonedited
What about Michigan "losing" to Western Michigan this year?
Benny The Jet
Could we get another pivotal rain delay in a winner-take-all game in Cleveland?
Sean Dolinar
I want to say if they delay, it will be suspended until tomorrow afternoon. But I'm not sure what this hurricane is going to do. I'm thinking about Sandy dumping rain on this region for like 2-3 days straight. This one looks more scattered.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Maybe a midge delay?
bosoxforlife
I will never forget it. It was so much fun to watch.
Keaton Arneson
Vogt is vindicated. Williams is going 7 shutout innings tonight and Smith with a two inning save.
Brian547
I will gladly issue a public apology if this happens.
bosoxforlife
I do not understand why everybody got so lathered up over Williams throwing some pitches on what is normally his throw day anyway.
Brian547
Its much more the usage of the best pitchers in the lowest leverage situations. Smith was a waste in both games… same for Williams.
bosoxforlife
I agree that Williams was not the best choice there but he isn't made of glass as many seem to think.
Rich Hill's Fastball
That was some high-octane rocket fuel from Williams
Matt Martell
Here's my question to everyone advocating for firing Vogt, or Boone or others: Who would you hire to replace him?
Brian547edited
For Vogt… I would keep him as a bench coach/personality manager and just remove him from every strategic decision going forward. I have nothing against the guy, he seems genuinely likable and a decent person… I just cant defend the decisions and have not heard anyone suggest a way that they can be defended.
Benny The Jet
Vogt and/or Boone in that scenario
Matt Martell
You would want them to swap teams?
Matt Martell
Also, hi
Sean Dolinar
Matt, you aren't at the white out?
Matt Martell
Nope – I have a job that keeps me pretty busy in October.
Matt Martell
Also, I don't think watching Penn State football is good for my mental health
Davy Andrews
I'm on the gamer tonight, so I can't do much chatting, but I wanted to jump in and say hello to everyone.
bosoxforlife
The radar appears to show rain at the corner of Carnegie & Ontario but I don't see any falling or any umbrellas in the stands.
small e
There was a little visibly falling around first pitch time. I can't see it now
Sean Dolinar
There are some drops on their batting helmets
Davy Andrews
If anybody has any thoughts about what I should write tonight, just let me know.
Sean Dolinar
Everyone take a paragraph!
Keaton Arneson
Williams + Smith perfect game of course
Davy Andrews
I'm sure they can hang on.
Sean Dolinar
jinxed, scrap that idea.
Davy Andrews
No-hitter still intact.
Brian547edited
Why "Cleveland Rocks" is objectively the best localized ballpark/team themed song… sorry Boston. Or at least a comparative piece involving the options. I would read that.
Sean Dolinar
This is a good lockout article idea.
Sean Dolinar
🔥
baycommuter
Could do a March Madness-type bracket poll with it.
Rich Hill's Fastball
If this isn't 80-grade stuff for a starter, I don't know what is
bosoxforlife
Williams, at 6'6" and a sturdy 250, doesn't mentioned with Misiorowski, Tolle and Skenes as much as he should be. Just another strikeout machine.
Matt Martell
Do you think the guy who plays Doug in the Liberty Mutual commercials has any regrets about how his life turned out?
Brian547
Mayhem guy made it into John Wick… so it may be working out brilliantly and we just don't know the endgame.
Sean Dolinar
It's super hard to get any steady work in that industry. That's a decent gig. It's no Flo from Progressive.
Sean Dolinar
Incidentally, I went to high school with Mara from those Progressive commercials.
MinClea
I work with a guy who reminds me of Doug. I mentioned this to him. He said – "the guy with the ostrich?" – I laughed and he left the room………….oops.
small e
well, there's the rain
Rich Hill's Fastball
Anyone know where Jason Heyward is?
Sean Dolinar
Was there any talk about moving this early today?
Tommyfastball
5:00 on west coast is kind of a dead zone
Sean Dolinar
More bad, low leverage challenges!
bosoxforlife
A challenge on the first pitch in the 3rd inning? What is he thinking?
small e
fooled himself with where he caught it, maybe? it fell to top of the zone height by the time it was in his glove
Sean Dolinar
He framed himself?
Doug Gray
This was the first draft of Who Framed Roger Rabbit and it didn't play well with audiences so they had to do a re-write.
si.or.no
Colson Montgomery said he wears his pants extra high to draw bad challenges from catchers.
si.or.no
Which makes me wonder:
They use some % of height for the zone, but are there hitters who fall on the edge of the bell curve in torso/leg proportion, where a catcher setting up (or an umpire) is fooled more often about where the auto-zone is?
(Like, not the tall/short guys)
Davy Andrews
CLEAT CLEANER.
Brian547
Muddy boots is the appropriate penalty for pitching in VELCRO high-tops.
MinClea
Least favorite baseball sayings. I will start………."Flashing the leather"………I don't know why – just bugs me.
Doug Gray
"Great piece of hitting" when used to describe a ball that if you hit in the cage your coach would drop his head in disappointment but that ball somehow found the magic spot 107 feet from the plate to land where a glove wasn't.
Seuss2004
My dad always hated when they said 'he had to cover a lot of real estate out there'. It was an unreasonable amount of hatred, like, he couldn't move on after hearing that. Would just soliloquy about the quality of announcers these days and how they don't paint the picture like they used to. I feel obligated to adopt that unhealthy, unbridled rage in his honor.
Brian547
I like that we all went silent to watch the marvel that is tonight's version of Williams.
Benny The Jet
Man Williams looks sharp- what a treat to get an old school pitching duel (so far) in this series, of all series
Rich Hill's Fastball
My jaw's on the floor
Phil
Record for strikeouts in an LCS game seems to be 15 (Clemens).
Rich Hill's Fastball
I think Cole had 15 or 16 in 2019 as well
Phil
That was LDS. Looks like Livan Hernandez and Mussina are the other LCS game with 15.
coldbagel12
Love how Gavin looks, but if this is a 1-0 game I'd take Chicago's chances at a solo shot
Seuss2004
I have nothing to add but want to see if a team shows up next to my name.
Seuss2004
Rats.
Davy Andrews
Click the little settings gear at the top right.
Davy Andrews
There you go.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Seuss, you can use the settings cog in the top right to select your team
bosoxforlife
How come Williams carried a 3.76 ERA and a 3.48? I have seen a 100 mph fastball, a 90 mph slider and 12-6 curveball, the likes of which is seldom seen today, that all look untouchable. Maybe in 2027 starters will be asked to make a relief appearance 2 days before each start if this is what comes out of it.
Matt Martell
A ton of homers
Brian547edited
That is what a Cricket swing normally looks like!! oops meant to post below… apologies
Phil
There ya go.
Doug Gray
Streaming strikes again! I saw this about 30 seconds before contact was made on my TV.
Phil
Sorry. I'll be more careful.
Doug Gray
No way man! Live in the moment!
Sean Dolinar
You can delay the chat up to 3 minutes with the gear in the corner.
Benny The Jet
Thank you again for this feature, it is awesome! For me at least, 15 seconds seems to line up perfectly
moomin
Wow
Sean Dolinar
Those soccer-style chants worked!
Benny The Jet
Man how did he hit that
Rich Hill's Fastball
Wow!
MinClea
man…….that was a great 9 iron !
small e
That pitch was on the ground
bosoxforlife
That is what I was waiting to see! My favorite non-Red Sox player delivering yet again.
bosoxforlife
Matt, I saw the HR's which confused me all the more. How can anyone even hit his stuff, much less take it deep?
Matt Martell
Now this is the question… my guess is batters sell out for 100 up in the zone, and when they guess right, it goes a long way
Ben Schneider
Hi everyone, this game has been fun so far. Williams is absolutely dealing
mlommler
To paraphrase Michael Corleone, all men can be taken yard
Benny The Jet
He's giving strong Verlander vibes right now, and JV always had a bit of trouble with the HR ball
Brian547
They are starting to take better swings…
Phil
So. . . how deep does Vogt let him get if things stay this way?
Yer Main Guy
As long as he's got his foot on their necks
Brian547
I fully expect he will be pulled for Festa right now.
bosoxforlife
72 pitches through 5 is too many in today's game, Vogt will be under the gun if Williams keeps this up. Of course if it was Bob Gibson on the mound Vogt would know that he should stay in the dugout and keep quiet.
Ben Schneider
Vogt always has a quick hook, and I wonder if he'll take Williams out too soon
MinClea
He has to get the 6th……….then see how that goes. If he gets the 8,9,1……..good to go
Doug Gray
I know it's not the newest thing but it is still wild that they will be those quick 5-10 second in-inning commercials. (Rhetorical question) Is there no end to how much we will be subjected to advertising the rest of our lives?
Benny The Jet
If I'm Vogt I'm hoping Williams and Smith are the only two pitchers to touch the ball at this point
moomin
ah… deja vu
MinClea
oops……..
Ben Schneider
Why is the 9 hitter going for three there?
Sean Dolinar
Ooof, that's rough.
Brian547
I have a new scapegoat if CLE loses!!
bosoxforlife
That was a good gamble with one out. It would have been hard to get him in from 2nd.
Brian547
much harder from the dugout
bosoxforlife
As I said, it was a gamble but a good one.
Ben Schneider
8 hitter; point still stands
Sean Dolinar
Gotta be a hero.
bosoxforlife
While we have been enthralled with the pitching of Williams, Burke is actually the first White Sox starter to get past the 5th this post-season.
Phil
This has been a much better-pitched game than I was expecting all around. Just the one swing from the best hitter in this series.
Ben Schneider
I don't recommend that on an 0-2 count
bosoxforlife
Williams hadn't thrown many sliders and that wasn't the time to throw one.
Brian547
That is not CADE SMITH!
jonmberra
I don’t care who wins but j want a hit so we don’t have Blake Snell 2.0 discourse.
Phil
With this pitch count it's not going to be that controversial, I don't think. He's also kinda pitching like he's not expecting to pitch the 7th.
John Church
You can breathe a sigh of relief
Ben Schneider
When Javier was pulled with a no-hitter in the World Series I don't remember many people saying he should have stayed in
Rich Hill's Fastball
Especially with multiple series after this one (you'd hope if you're Vogt), can't risk Williams getting hurt or tiring after today
Matt Martell
And there it is
Brian547
WHY ISNT SMITH WARMING UP???
bosoxforlife
As much as I hate to say it, the White Sox are getting much better swings and there is the first hit.
Phil
Vargas his last hitter either way?
jonmberra
Williams was a victim of his own strikeouts in pursuit of the No-hitter. Hard to do it when you throw that many pitches.
Benny The Jet
Green light here?
Brian547
If Vogt brings in Sabrowski of the 6 bb/9 in with the bases loaded here can I then have him fired please?
Benny The Jet
Oof that could be a huge missed call
Benny The Jet
Nvm
Matt Martell
What a turn of events
John Church
I’m not sure if Murakami is the guy I most want up if I’m the Sox or least want up.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Does Williams run out of gas if he doesn't throw a couple days ago?
Seuss2004
Well that escalated quickly
bosoxforlife
This is an instance when it appears Williams gave it his all from pitch one and has run out of gas. Vogt is definitely making the right move here and that comes from an old school fab who believes in letting the starter go very deep.
Brian547
No the right move is bringing in SMITH… anyone else is a error
bosoxforlife
Closers close!
Brian547
New candidate for my answer to least favorite thing baseball people say!
grill marks
I gotta wonder if hitters don't challenge because they know the pitcher is gonna go back to that spot and then they will just challenge if it's called a strike again.
grill marks
Kind of like baiting the pitcher.
Ben Schneider
No trouble finding the zone there
Phil
Made it, but they're going to miss that challenge I think.
Matt Martell
Great situation to challenge, bad pitch
Brian547
Glad it worked but that should have been smith.
coldbagel12
Gaddis would have been my pick, Smith likes closing. Just not the high walk guy.
bosoxforlife
A lefty against Murakami is the better choice.
Brian547
Smith in addition to being far better, walking fewer batters, HAS REVERSE PLATOON SPLITS!!!
Yer Main Guy
Dude it worked and Smith is still there. You have no argument
Benny The Jet
To play devil's advocate, you can afford a walk there (theoretically), but you absolutely cannot afford a homer
CJedited
I don't see this game ends in 2-0 or 2-1, but it may be my wishful thinking
coldbagel12
Hard to see it right now. But we'll see
Matt Martell
I really want Jo Adell to hit another triple
Ben Schneider
Murakami has pretty big splits, so I think bringing in a lefty made sense
bosoxforlife
Almost a 50% K percentage against lefties.
Brian547
what are you talking about its a lower Xwoba vs righties
Brian547
and higher K rate vs righties
Brian547
dont just make crap up
bosoxforlife
No Brian, Murakami fans a higher rate against lefties.
Ben Schneider
I was basing the splits on OPS, which I know some FG people wouldn't approve of
In my experience as a Tiger's fan, there is now a 100% chance that runner will score, most likely on an infield hit of some kind
Seuss2004
Its hard to generate much enthusiasm when the White Sox have a 117% strikeout rate today
grill marks
Sam A will be the ultimate floor next year.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Here you go Brian547!
Matt Martell
Forget about strikeout rate with two outs and Murakami up:
vs. LHP: 110 wRC+, .328 wOBA, xwOBA .364
vs. RHP: 138 wRC+, .368 wOBA, xwOBA .344
Results say Murakami is better vs. RHP, though xwOBA says the opposite. Cade Smith is the best pitcher in the bullpen and that was a crucial spot. I get it. But I like the Sabrowski matchup.
Matt Martell
I also don't think any major league manager is going to bring in the closer in the sixth inning, no matter the leverage or whether it's the correct move. Teams just don't do it.
bosoxforlife
That is how I was looking at it. The 6th was simply not the right time for Smith.
Ben Schneider
Wasn't that Andrew Miller in 2016? haha
Matt Martell
I don't want to say that it's definitely not the right time. It's just not the way managers do things rn
Benny The Jet
I've never really understood this… it seems like the best RP should be the first RP brought into a leverage situation regardless of inning
Matt Martell
This is a completely fair conclusion to draw. It's just not how teams operate
Matt Martell
FWIW: Andrew Miller wasn't Cleveland's closer in 2016, even if he was the team's best pitcher. The closer was Cody Allen. Having two guys like that makes it easier to use one of them early
bosoxforlife
Pitchers are not machines. They are people just like the rest of us and a closer reacts to a closing situation differently that he would to a non-close situation. The rush that he gets from closing just isn't the same earlier in the 6th.
Sean Dolinar
That inverted xwOBA is crazy.
Yer Main Guy
Could it be directional? Like a tendency to pull against righties that would make wOBA beat xwOBA?
Matt Martell
Definitely could be
Matt Martell
Truly — I think that will align with the rest over time. Small samples, etc.
Matt Martell
Hahahahahaha Petey Halpin against a lefty again!
Phil
How many runs would CLE have to score here for Smith to get pulled?
Brian547
Given prior indications… ~42
coldbagel12
Yeah, this is strong "the limit does not exist" territory
bosoxforlife
I think we can say, without question, that Smith owns the 9th here.
Matt Martell
Halpin OWNS Sean Newcomb
Ben Schneider
Apparently at least 5, since he was left in with a six-run lead
bosoxforlife
Gotta walk Kwan here!
Brian547
Ok I legit think this is a troll
Ben Schneider
Not a fan of intentionally walking the bases loaded
bosoxforlife
Kwan is the best contact hitter in the game and you don't want him getting the bat on the ball with the infield in.
Brian547
man that Jose guy sucks right
Seuss2004
This is a whole lot of drama to serve as a prelude to three White Sox Ks to end the game.
bosoxforlife
I would like to see 21 K's which would be a first in a 9 inning game.
Anonymous Member #46
One, ah-ah-ahhhhh.
Anonymous Member #46
TWO, ah-ah-ahhhhh.
Anonymous Member #46
THREEEEEE, ah-ah-ahhhhh!
Phil
This has been a very enjoyable game from a neutral perspective.
grill marks
yikes
bosoxforlife
I find it nearly incomprehensible that a team that has reached the LCS could strikeout at least 19 times in two out of three games.
jdbolick
The White Sox are a great story but a very flawed team. They're here because the Astros were that bad.
MikeS
96 in just 7 games in the postseason.
grill marks
are you not entertained?
Seuss2004
Luis Arraez struck out 21 times in 2025
Phil
Benintendi is, sadly, not very good. This is not the career I thought he'd have c. 2016.
bosoxforlife
I thought he was going to be something special as well.
jdbolick
Nailing the projection for Benintendi, Moncada, and Devers in 2016 with pretty much perfect accuracy is my favorite victory lap.
Brian547edited
serious question time… would benintendi be allowed to wear that belt if he was pitching? oops guess they all are
Phil
21!!!!!
grill marks
rays in 4.
Ben Schneider
Rays will be massive favorites
bosoxforlife
Now I hope Jose Ramirez can continue his magic in the ALCS.
jdbolick
Cade Smith is nasty. Cleveland is going to be a much tougher matchup for the Rays.
Rich Hill's Fastball
Chicago K Sox
Brian547
maybe this smith guy is pretty good
Seuss2004
Cleveland, sworn enemy of the Holy See
Brian547
Bring it
Philedited
Rays will definitely be favored. But an all-midwest WS would be fun, to me.
grill marks
The rays have 3 Cade Smiths.
Sean Dolinar
Thanks everyone for showing up today! See everyone tomorrow for the start of the NLCS!
A few weeks ago, I led the mailbag with some quick thoughts on the thrilling AL Central race between the White Sox and the Guardians. When I wrote that introduction, Cleveland had just won two of its final three regular-season games against Chicago, and the two teams were tied atop the division.
Neither club was all that good, but each was intriguing in its own way. The White Sox, of course, had the worst playoff odds of any team in the American League on Opening Day and were coming off three straight 100-loss seasons. The Guardians, meanwhile, were postseason regulars, and this year, they had trailed Chicago in the standings for most of the summer before mounting a September comeback. Cleveland maintained its division lead for the rest of the season, but only barely. The Guards finished 85-77; the Sox, 84-78. Their head-to-head records were also separated by just one game, with Chicago holding the advantage there. Now, as the two teams enter tonight’s ALDS Game 5 in Cleveland, the margin between them remains as thin as garlic slices in a mafia movie. Both clubs still aren’t exactly playing crisp baseball — the series has featured bewildering bullpen decisions, befuddling ABS challenges, and more hit-by-pitches (six) than home runs (four) — but they’ve been a ton of fun to watch.
In this week’s mailbag, we’re answering your questions on the worst regular-season players to start regularly for a playoff team, the best starting pitcher matchups in a postseason Game 3, and holy WAR. But first, I’d like to remind you that this mailbag is exclusive to FanGraphs Members. If you aren’t yet a Member and would like to keep reading, you can sign up for a Membership here. It’s the best way to both experience the site and support our staff, and it comes with a bunch of other great benefits. Also, if you’d like to ask a question for an upcoming mailbag, send me an email at mailbag@fangraphs.com. Read the rest of this entry »
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, please visit our Patreon.
Ben Lindbergh and Meg Rowley banter about Game 4 of the White Sox-Guardians ALDS, playoff pitching chaos, and “rest vs. rust” revisited, then preview the Dodgers-Brewers NLCS rematch, react to MLB’s proposed changes to the regular season and postseason, consider an athletic tournament with stakes that extend beyond baseball, and return to the topic of how leagues decide which treatments are legal.
On the heels of an utterly spectacular Division Series between the Milwaukee Brewers and San Diego Padres — a walk-off, a home run robbery, twopaternity leaves, oh my! — I found myself chewing on two pervasive thoughts. One: that was a hell of a series, and it really deserved a fifth game. Two: how many other Division Series have been on that level?
Since the Division Series’ true birth in 1995 (the 1981 strike led to a one-off set of Division Series that autumn, which then went dormant until the next strike made them permanent) we’ve now had 128 of them, with 41 ending in sweeps and 39 going all the way to a do-or-die Game 5, with the ongoing White Sox-Guardians series becoming the 40th. While early-round series in any sport are bound to have some impossibly stacked rosters beating the brakes off ahead-of-schedule teams that are just happy to be cashing playoff bonuses, the history of the Division Series is also rich with indelible postseason memories. With baseball’s inherent small-sample wackiness often playing a huge role — in 2023, both the 100-win Dodgers and 101-win Orioles were swept out of the Division Series by the unlikeliest World Series participants of the decade — these series often shrink the gap between the haves and the have-nots. Sure, sometimes you get a quick sweep where all three games are forgettable, but if you take a fine-tooth comb through the LDS annals, you’ll also find some 3-0 sets that were dripping with tension. (In 1996, for instance, the Cardinals swept the Padres in a series where San Diego sent the tying run to the plate in the ninth inning of all three games.)
This ranking of the best Division Series ever does not include any of those sweeps, or even any four-gamers, though many tried their damnedest. Division Series touchstones like Pedro Martínez coming out of the bullpen for six untouchable innings or Todd Pratt’s improbable homer play well in a highlight reel, but one great moment does not make a great series. The same thing is true of remarkable Game 5s that capped off an otherwise blah affair. We all remember Howie Kendrick’s 2019 grand slam at Dodger Stadium, but forget that the average margin of victory in that Nationals-Dodgers showdown was 4.6 runs. The same thing is true of the Dodgers’ Division Series in 2021 against the Giants, which ended with Max Scherzer’s only career save and sparked the great check swing debate of our times, but also had games decided by four, five, and seven runs.
For a series to be wholly great, it needs start-to-finish drama, star power, and multiple classic games; a little sprinkling of narrative intrigue doesn’t hurt either. Here are the 10 best of the Division Series variety, presented in descending order.
10. All of 2012
This one is obviously cheating, but 2012 is the only year in which all four Division Series went five games, so it gets its own spot. The fact that shorthand is a sufficient way to summarize many of the key events — the Buster Posey grand slam, the Pete Kozma game, the Raul Ibanez game, Justin Verlander vs. Oakland Round 1 — is all you need to know about how spectacular the second week of October was in 2012.
9. 2016 – Dodgers Beat Nationals 3-2
There was a time in the not-so-distant past where the dominant conversation surrounding Dodgers playoff games was that Clayton Kershaw wasn’t very good in them, and that the Los Angeles bullpen was even worse. This narrative clung to the Dodgers as they entered the 2016 postseason having been bounced in the Division Series each of the last two years. This time, though, led by young first-year manager Dave Roberts, questions abounded regarding the team’s overall postseason mettle.
While those were somewhat quieted by Kershaw outdueling Scherzer to take a tight Game 1, the Dodgers dropped each of the next two games, one of which featured Kenley Jansen puking up four earned runs. Allow me to briefly remember some other Dodger bullpen guys who played a big role in this series: Luis Avilán, Pedro Báez, Joe Blanton, and Grant Dayton each made at least three appearances. Avilán, Báez, and Blanton were all dynamite, escaping the series without giving up an earned run. Dayton, however, was the reason the Dodgers nearly blew it again. He took the mound for the seventh inning of Game 5, the Dodgers holding a three-run lead. He was tasked with the bottom of Washington’s lineup, the type of thing that seems simple until you remember that absolutely nothing is simple in playoff baseball. He walked Danny Espinosa, gave up a pinch-hit bomb to Chris Heisey, and then let Clint Robinson reach on a single.
From there, somewhat famously, Roberts aggressively fired Jansen and Kershaw for the final nine outs. Kershaw not only logged his first and only major league save that night, he did so while coming into a messy inning with the tying run in scoring position. This brief but successful outing was as storybook as it gets, removing a fairly sizable monkey yelling about postseason shortcomings from his back. Let us also quickly pay respect to Chase Utley, whose game-winning hit in Game 4 saved the Dodgers’ bacon.
8. 2017 – Yankees Beat Cleveland 3-2
The 2017 Yankees remain the last team to lose the first two games of an LDS and still win the series, though the Guardians could change that on Saturday. Falling into that hole made for an exigent series in its own right, but the Yankees starting the comeback with seven shutout innings from Masahiro Tanaka and a left-on-left Greg Bird homer against a warlock reliever made it even more impressive.
Luis Severino pitched the game of his life to win Game 4, and Didi Gregorius thumped two homers off Corey Kluber, who’d go on to win his second Cy Young that year, to win Game 5. There are so many other things from this series to mention, like how Aaron Judge struck out 16 times, comfortably breaking the Division Series record, or how Cleveland committed a mind-boggling nine errors in five games. It would also be a tremendous oversight not to mention that Game 2 — a 9-8 win for Cleveland that took 13 innings — is one of the very best baseball games of this century, and contained this clip, which I would watch if I ever needed to summon the strength to lift a two-story home from its foundation.
7. 2011 – Cardinals Beat Phillies 3-2
On paper, the 2011 Phillies had everything. This was the fabled Four Aces team, and those four — Roy Halladay (twice), Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee, and Roy Oswalt — made every start of this series. The offense still had its championship core intact as well, even if they were aging. Ryan Madson had an excellent year filling in for the injured Brad Lidge as the team’s primary closer, and on top of that, these Phils were battle tested, having participated in each of the previous four Octobers.
What they didn’t account for was the little guys.
Skip Schumaker and Ryan Theriot were as much of a reason the Cardinals won this series as their Hall of Fame teammates were. While Albert Pujols hit .350 and Yadier Molina threw out three would-be basestealers while masterfully guiding Cardinals pitchers through the vaunted Phillies lineup, Schumaker and Theriot combined to go 12-for-20 with four doubles and four RBI. The biggest of those RBI came in the decisive Game 5, when Schumaker flicked the 10th pitch of his first at-bat off Halladay into the right field corner. It wound up being the only run of the game.
That game is seared into the Delaware Valley’s collective memory for many reasons, the biggest two being Chris Carpenter bullying the Phillies all night en route to a complete game shutout, and Ryan Howard tearing his Achilles in the game’s final at-bat, which was the definitive and unfortunate end to that run of good fortune in Philadelphia. But that game was also one of three one-run affairs in this highly competitive series, including a Game 2 where the Cardinals clawed back from an early 4-0 deficit to beat Lee, and a nailbiter Game 3 where neither team scored until Ben Francisco lifted a pinch-hit homer in the seventh.
Apart from an 11-6 Phillies win to start the series, every game of this tilt was a box office spectacle.
6. 1997 – Cleveland Beats Yankees 3-2
The defending-champion Yankees squared off against Cleveland, with both teams right in the teeth of their ’90s revitalization. They were kind enough to only play bangers.
In Game 1 in the Bronx, the visitors jumped David Cone for five runs in the first inning, only to turn around and watch their bullpen give the Yankees five right back in the sixth. It wasn’t any ordinary offensive explosion either; the Yanks went back-to-back-to-back, marking the first time that had ever happened in a postseason game. If you like watching videos of old Yankee Stadium going ham, I highly recommend pressing play.
Cleveland roughed up Andy Pettitte to steal Game 2, but then lost Game 3 at home, setting up two win-or-go-home games. Because of the playoff format of the time, those were both in Cleveland, and while we will never be able to quantify home field advantage, the hometown nine did take both of them by exactly one run. In Game 4, Cleveland was four outs from elimination when Sandy Alomar Jr. took Mariano Rivera deep in the eighth and Omar Vizquel walked it off in the ninth.
To this day, Blue Jays-Rangers in 2015 is the series that felt the most like drugs. The energy from pre-renovation Rogers Centre was palpable through the television screen, and rightfully so. This was the Blue Jays’ first taste of October baseball since winning the title in 1993, and their berth in the postseason broke the longest active playoff drought at the time.
Naturally, the Jays lost their first two home games, getting dinked and dunked by Delino DeShields and Hanser Alberto. Game 2 was the real barnburner though, needing 14 innings and 37 total players to complete.
If you’re going to poke holes in this series’ status as an all-timer, it’s because Games 3 and 4 in Texas were relative snoozers. But Game 5 more than made up for them. It was not just a spine tingler, a national exaltation for all of Canada, and the moment that bat flips fully went mainstream thanks to José Bautista’s epic go-ahead home run, but it was also a reminder of what it means to truly be alive (and also that if a catcher throws the ball back to the pitcher and it doinks off the hitter’s bat, that’s still a live ball).
4. 2001 – Diamondbacks Beat Cardinals 3-2
If a series in which every game is decided by three runs or less, the teams alternate wins, and the final swing produces a walk-off hit doesn’t do it for you, this probably just isn’t your jam.
The Diamondbacks won this series despite getting outscored 12-10. They also lost the lone game that Randy Johnson started. The Cardinals, meanwhile, managed to hit a measly .191 for the series and relied heavily on their bullpen, which lacked a true alpha and wasn’t particularly strong in the regular season. Put all that in a blender and you get a weird, gelatinous substance that doesn’t quite feel right but is compelling nonetheless.
One man who was on top of his game was Curt Schilling, who has a case for the best Division Series performance ever. Schilling started two games and went nine innings in both of them, starting with a true masterpiece in Game 1 (nine strikeouts, three hits, zero runs). The encore in Game 5 came with a teensy blemish, but Schilling matched his nine strikeouts and finished with a record-setting 1.30 Win Probability Added for the series. His 18 innings pitched in a Division Series are also a record, and if you’re wondering about that solitary mistake, it was leaving this pitch to J.D. Drew over the plate.
Luckily for the neutral fan, Schilling’s poor location set up Tony Womack’s series-ending floater, foreshadowing more clutchness from him later that postseason.
3. 2003 – Red Sox Beat Athletics 3-2
If you sat down and watched every game of this series today, you’d probably say the worst one was the A’s 5-1 win in Game 2, which was the most lopsided of the series. But that would also mean you just watched Barry Zito twirl seven innings of poetry. Zito’s gem put the Athletics in the driver’s seat but unable to finish the race, as the Red Sox ran off a trio of wins to take the series. First in line to make Oakland slightly less romantic about baseball: Trot Nixon.
The very next day, the A’s lugged a lead into the eighth inning and hitched their wagon to Keith Foulke for the final six outs. He got the first two, then was interrupted by David Ortiz.
The Red Sox took that game in another white knuckler that put a period on an unfathomable streak for the A’s. The green and gold endured four straight ALDS Game 5 losses from 2000-03, with this one marking the second in three years after winning the first two games of the series. Tough for the East Bay baseball fans, cinema (literally and figuratively) for fans of exciting ball. And hey, A’s fans will always have Ramon Hernandez’s bizarre yet effective two-out, walk-off bunt from Game 1.
2. 2013 – Tigers Beat Athletics 3-2
It is not hyperbole at all to say every game of this series had a serotonin spike. If Scherzer and Bartolo Colon duking it out in Game 1 wasn’t enough for you, that game ended with the slimmest of margins as Joaquín Benoit had to slay Brandon Moss and Yoenis Cespedes to close it out. Game 2 was a scoreless tie into the bottom of the ninth — Justin Verlander and Sonny Gray, take a bow — when then-unknown catcher Stephen Vogt spanked a walk-off single. In Game 3, Grant Balfour and Victor Martinez screamed at each other real loud! The Tigers trailed 3-0 in Game 4, then 4-3, and still managed to pull out a win. That game deserves a closer look, because Scherzer came in for a relief outing that was this close to being a complete disaster.
To set the scene, Scherzer relieved Doug Fister in the top of the seventh, with the game knotted at three. Some small ball from the A’s spawned the aforementioned 4-3 lead, but the Tigers got it back in the seventh, partly due to a home run that may or may not have been interfered with.
When Scherzer came out for the eighth, he proceeded to load the bases with nobody out, grit his way to two massive strikeouts, then run the count full to Alberto Callaspo, who laced a line drive that hung up just long enough to be caught. It really was an absolute powder keg of a baseball game.
Game 5 was more tyranny from Verlander, who was just torturous to the A’s. At this point we’ll stop highlighting Oakland’s shortcomings and focus on Verlander, who is one of five pitchers to post a 0.00 ERA in an LDS while tossing at least 10 innings.
1. 1995 – Mariners Beat Yankees 3-2
I don’t need to explain why this series is paramount to the Seattle Mariners’ very existence, or how Ken Griffey Jr. chugging around the bases to win Game 5 is surely the best that any baseball player has ever looked while running.
What maybe does need explaining is everything that led to Edgar Martinez’s picturesque swing and The Kid’s wild ride. Like how Griffey (maybe the most beloved player the Mariners have ever employed) uncorked two home runs off David Cone in Game 1, only for reliever Bobby Ayala (maybe the least beloved player the Mariners have ever employed) to later serve up three runs that essentially sealed Seattle’s loss. Perhaps you were unaware that Vince Coleman and his .345 career slugging percentage hit a tater in Game 2, a sordid evening in the Bronx that lasted over five hours, culminating in Jim Leyritz’s walk-off dinger that nearly killed professional baseball in Seattle.
The Mariners bounced back to win a fun Game 3 and had to overcome a five-run deficit to survive Game 4. While Martinez’s legacy is tied to The Double in Game 5, the M’s aren’t even in that position if not for his less-heralded handiwork the day before. It is a marvel of human accomplishment that he kept the first one fair.
Game 5 was one for the books. While the heroics of both Martinez and Griffey are deserving of their own 20,000 words, and are the main reason why this series gets the top spot, let’s continue the education around the other parts of that legendary Sunday at the Kingdome.
Cone unleashed a legitimately reckless 147 pitches, the Yankees finished with six hits but 10 walks, and a rookie setup man named Rivera made his third straight scoreless appearance on his way to leading all pitchers in WPA for the series.
They were five close, high-scoring games that could never be replicated, have been slightly imitated, but are now forever vindicated with the top spot on this list.
I watched eight Arizona Fall League games over the last week, and today’s a good time to empty the notebook on some of the position players I saw. I’ve got a mix of updates on top prospects and notes on a couple off-the-radar names who impressed me. Let’s get to it, starting with perhaps the best player in the league.
Kilby looks great as a hitter. He’s quick and direct to the ball, he doesn’t leak early, his swing stays on plane forever, he adjusts well off the fastball, and he can use the whole field. He can seemingly get his hands everywhere, and the way he’s able to pull them in and turn around velocity is in a class with the Max Clarks and Kevin McGonigles of the world.
Kilby is also smooth and balanced at shortstop, rangy with a good internal clock. His throwing stroke looks pushy when he has time, but he can let it rip when he needs to get rid of the ball quickly. He looked like the best player on the field, and his stock surged for both Eric and me during my time in Arizona. Read the rest of this entry »
Aidan Miller might be the Philadelphia Phillies’ next shortstop, and his health will go a long way to determining if (and when) that happens. Drafted 27th overall in 2023 out of a New Port Richey, Florida high school, the sweet-swinging 22-year-old missed most of this past season due to a back injury. Diagnosed with discogenic pain and facet inflammation in the lumbar spine, Miller underwent a radiofrequency ablation procedure in early June. He saw action in just eight games, half of them for Double-A Reading in the Eastern League playoffs.
He’d come into the season with a legitimate chance to debut in the majors. Ranked atop our 2026 Phillies Top Prospects list when it came out in January, Miller was coming off of a 2025 campaign that saw him rake to the tune of a 137 wRC+ between Reading and Triple-A Lehigh Valley, with all but 37 of his 526 plate appearances coming at the lower of the two levels. Moreover, he’d gone deep 14 times and swiped 59 bases. With a first-round pedigree and a 55 FV grade, he was on the doorstep of breaking into Philadelphia’s lineup… until an already nagging issue morphed into one that required intervention.
Miller is currently getting back into the swing of things in the Arizona Fall League, and as he explained to me last week, he is doing so by dialing back how many swings he takes. Regardless of the role it may have played in his lower back woes, his excessive cage work likely did him no favors. Read the rest of this entry »