2014 ZiPS Projections – St. Louis Cardinals
After having typically appeared in the entirely venerable pages of Baseball Think Factory, Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections were released at FanGraphs last year. The exercise continues this offseason. Below are the projections for the St. Louis Cardinals. Szymborski can be found at ESPN and on Twitter at @DSzymborski.
Other Projections: Boston / Philadelphia.
Batters
There are obvious caveats one should append to the sentence which follows, and yet it’s also true. The St. Louis Cardinals, who’ve just been to the World Series, are likely to enter the 2014 season with a better complement of position players than with which they entered 2013.
Part of that, of course, is having a shortstop at all. Daniel Descalso and Pete Kozma, combined, were never an ideal substitute for Rafael Furcal. That next year’s shortstop is Jhonny Peralta — about whom ZiPS is fairly optimistic — represents a decided advantage. That Matt Carpenter emerged as very possibly an above-average major leaguer has also benefited the club.
In terms of who precisely will play where precisely in 2014, there are some uncertainties regarding that. For the purposes of the depth chart below, I’ve put Allen Craig in right field and Matt Adams at first base. In reality, Jon Jay and (possibly) Oscar Taveras will also play roles with the club, however.
Pitchers
Adam Wainwright was as good in 2013, and perhaps better, as/than he’d ever been prior to the season he missed from Tommy John surgery, almost halving his career walk rate (down to 3.7%) while striking out batters at a pace similar to past seasons. Behind him in the rotation will almost certainly be, in whichever order, young right-handers Shelby Miller and Michael Wacha. The former’s conspicuous absence during the playoffs remains something of a mystery, but ZiPS remains optimistic enough about Miller based on the entirety of his resume.
After that triumvirate, St. Louis features a second threesome, any of whom could positively contribute to the rotation: Jaime Garcia, Joe Kelly, and Lance Lynn. The latter two have pitched out of the bullpen before, and could once again join a relief corps whose fastballs — much like late-90s hip hop group The Hot Boy$ — are on fire. Because they’re thrown with “heat,” is what the author means to say.
Bench/Prospects
Because he’s both (a) good and also (b) likely to receive quite a lot in the way of playing time, it’s probably fair to regard second baseman Kolten Wong as a preseason contender for the NL Rookie of the Year award. ZiPS and Steamer, both, regard him as an average major-leaguer already. Beyond Wong is, of course, highly praised outfield prospect Oscar Taveras, who lost much of his 2013 to injury. Taveras and Jon Jay are both candidates to record a non-negligible amount of plate appearances despite their absence from the depth chart below. Less celebrated prospects Jermaine Curtis, Greg Garcia, and Randal Grichuk (acquired along with Peter Bourjos from the Angels) — along with on-base-magician and Fringe Five regular Mike O’Neill — are all potential contributors.
Depth Chart
Below is a rough depth chart for the present incarnation of the Cardinals, with rounded projected WAR totals for each player. For caveats regarding WAR values see disclaimer at bottom of post. Click to embiggen image.
Ballpark graphic courtesy Eephus League. Depth charts constructed by way of those listed here at site and author’s own haphazard reasoning.
Batters, Counting Stats
| Player | B | Age | PO | PA | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | SB | CS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Yadier Molina | R | 31 | C | 546 | 54 | 147 | 31 | 0 | 13 | 73 | 6 | 3 |
| Matt Carpenter | L | 28 | 3B | 615 | 79 | 146 | 36 | 5 | 10 | 69 | 4 | 3 |
| Matt Holliday | R | 34 | LF | 577 | 79 | 140 | 30 | 2 | 21 | 85 | 5 | 2 |
| Jhonny Peralta | R | 32 | SS | 520 | 49 | 127 | 29 | 2 | 12 | 64 | 2 | 2 |
| Peter Bourjos | R | 27 | CF | 385 | 54 | 90 | 14 | 8 | 9 | 41 | 12 | 3 |
| Kolten Wong | L | 23 | 2B | 555 | 60 | 136 | 22 | 6 | 8 | 49 | 19 | 5 |
| Jon Jay | L | 29 | CF | 570 | 64 | 137 | 25 | 3 | 7 | 54 | 12 | 6 |
| Oscar Taveras | L | 22 | CF | 388 | 45 | 103 | 23 | 4 | 9 | 50 | 7 | 1 |
| Allen Craig | R | 29 | 1B | 503 | 61 | 130 | 26 | 2 | 16 | 84 | 3 | 0 |
| Carlos Beltran | B | 37 | RF | 548 | 64 | 133 | 24 | 3 | 23 | 82 | 5 | 3 |
| Randal Grichuk | R | 22 | RF | 585 | 69 | 139 | 28 | 8 | 17 | 68 | 9 | 6 |
| Scott Moore | L | 30 | 3B | 474 | 50 | 103 | 25 | 1 | 12 | 56 | 1 | 2 |
| Rafael Furcal | B | 36 | SS | 328 | 40 | 77 | 13 | 2 | 5 | 30 | 8 | 3 |
| Greg Garcia | L | 24 | SS | 482 | 51 | 99 | 22 | 4 | 3 | 35 | 10 | 4 |
| Matt Adams | L | 25 | 1B | 382 | 45 | 95 | 20 | 0 | 17 | 56 | 1 | 1 |
| Jermaine Curtis | R | 26 | 3B | 440 | 42 | 98 | 16 | 2 | 3 | 34 | 5 | 1 |
| Stephen Piscotty | R | 23 | RF | 508 | 52 | 125 | 25 | 2 | 10 | 44 | 10 | 5 |
| Mike O’Neill | L | 26 | LF | 476 | 52 | 114 | 16 | 2 | 1 | 31 | 11 | 4 |
| Audry Perez | R | 25 | C | 339 | 26 | 79 | 15 | 0 | 4 | 35 | 0 | 1 |
| Thomas Pham | R | 26 | CF | 237 | 24 | 49 | 9 | 4 | 4 | 21 | 4 | 3 |
| Pete Kozma | R | 26 | SS | 522 | 50 | 104 | 21 | 2 | 5 | 52 | 5 | 2 |
| Tony Cruz | R | 27 | C | 193 | 18 | 43 | 10 | 1 | 2 | 22 | 0 | 1 |
| Daniel Descalso | L | 27 | SS | 418 | 47 | 92 | 21 | 3 | 5 | 41 | 6 | 3 |
| Starlin Rodriguez | R | 24 | 2B | 471 | 44 | 103 | 19 | 4 | 6 | 40 | 10 | 7 |
| Ruben Gotay | B | 31 | 3B | 490 | 48 | 101 | 17 | 1 | 7 | 43 | 8 | 4 |
| Shane Robinson | R | 29 | RF | 230 | 27 | 52 | 8 | 2 | 3 | 23 | 5 | 1 |
| Chad Huffman | R | 29 | LF | 387 | 39 | 80 | 19 | 1 | 8 | 40 | 2 | 0 |
| Rob Johnson | R | 31 | C | 252 | 22 | 51 | 10 | 2 | 4 | 23 | 1 | 2 |
| Brock Peterson | R | 30 | 1B | 399 | 40 | 85 | 18 | 1 | 14 | 46 | 1 | 1 |
| James Ramsey | L | 24 | CF | 503 | 51 | 92 | 14 | 4 | 8 | 38 | 9 | 4 |
| Luis Mateo | R | 24 | SS | 405 | 41 | 87 | 13 | 1 | 5 | 34 | 12 | 7 |
| Joey Butler | R | 28 | RF | 557 | 55 | 121 | 24 | 2 | 10 | 48 | 4 | 3 |
| Justin Christian | R | 34 | LF | 444 | 52 | 99 | 18 | 3 | 4 | 35 | 18 | 4 |
| Ty Wigginton | R | 36 | 1B | 264 | 26 | 53 | 10 | 0 | 6 | 29 | 2 | 1 |
| Anthony Garcia | R | 22 | LF | 443 | 42 | 86 | 19 | 2 | 13 | 47 | 5 | 5 |
| Xavier Scruggs | R | 26 | 1B | 532 | 47 | 92 | 18 | 1 | 16 | 53 | 6 | 4 |
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Batters, Rates and Averages
| Player | PA | BB% | K% | ISO | BABIP | BA | OBP | SLG | wOBA |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Yadier Molina | 546 | 6.4% | 10.1% | .140 | .307 | .293 | .342 | .433 | .334 |
| Matt Carpenter | 615 | 10.1% | 16.4% | .142 | .314 | .272 | .351 | .413 | .334 |
| Matt Holliday | 577 | 10.4% | 17.3% | .192 | .307 | .277 | .360 | .468 | .359 |
| Jhonny Peralta | 520 | 7.3% | 18.1% | .145 | .307 | .267 | .320 | .412 | .317 |
| Peter Bourjos | 385 | 5.5% | 21.8% | .164 | .315 | .259 | .314 | .424 | .321 |
| Kolten Wong | 555 | 6.3% | 14.1% | .114 | .299 | .266 | .316 | .380 | .309 |
| Jon Jay | 570 | 7.2% | 15.3% | .103 | .314 | .272 | .339 | .375 | .309 |
| Oscar Taveras | 388 | 5.7% | 12.4% | .162 | .308 | .287 | .331 | .448 | .334 |
| Allen Craig | 503 | 7.0% | 17.5% | .170 | .318 | .284 | .338 | .454 | .346 |
| Carlos Beltran | 548 | 7.8% | 17.7% | .199 | .287 | .267 | .324 | .466 | .335 |
| Randal Grichuk | 585 | 3.6% | 18.1% | .172 | .282 | .252 | .286 | .424 | .306 |
| Scott Moore | 474 | 7.2% | 21.9% | .148 | .288 | .241 | .304 | .389 | .303 |
| Rafael Furcal | 328 | 7.3% | 11.9% | .107 | .281 | .258 | .316 | .366 | .301 |
| Greg Garcia | 482 | 9.1% | 19.5% | .093 | .295 | .235 | .320 | .328 | .289 |
| Matt Adams | 382 | 6.0% | 26.2% | .198 | .322 | .265 | .309 | .464 | .336 |
| Jermaine Curtis | 440 | 8.9% | 13.9% | .075 | .293 | .255 | .336 | .330 | .301 |
| Stephen Piscotty | 508 | 5.7% | 12.2% | .126 | .288 | .266 | .318 | .391 | .312 |
| Mike O’Neill | 476 | 11.6% | 9.0% | .056 | .304 | .275 | .360 | .331 | .312 |
| Audry Perez | 339 | 1.5% | 18.6% | .082 | .285 | .240 | .257 | .322 | .254 |
| Thomas Pham | 237 | 8.0% | 29.1% | .136 | .317 | .229 | .297 | .364 | .291 |
| Pete Kozma | 522 | 7.5% | 21.3% | .084 | .273 | .219 | .277 | .304 | .254 |
| Tony Cruz | 193 | 4.7% | 20.2% | .099 | .291 | .238 | .276 | .337 | .264 |
| Daniel Descalso | 418 | 7.4% | 17.0% | .112 | .289 | .246 | .308 | .358 | .284 |
| Starlin Rodriguez | 471 | 4.9% | 24.8% | .104 | .311 | .238 | .289 | .343 | .277 |
| Ruben Gotay | 490 | 9.2% | 22.0% | .091 | .287 | .230 | .301 | .320 | .279 |
| Shane Robinson | 230 | 8.3% | 12.2% | .102 | .277 | .254 | .319 | .356 | .299 |
| Chad Huffman | 387 | 8.3% | 22.7% | .130 | .283 | .231 | .301 | .360 | .295 |
| Rob Johnson | 252 | 6.3% | 19.8% | .112 | .260 | .219 | .270 | .330 | .262 |
| Brock Peterson | 399 | 6.5% | 26.6% | .169 | .285 | .232 | .288 | .401 | .303 |
| James Ramsey | 503 | 10.1% | 31.2% | .105 | .302 | .209 | .297 | .314 | .274 |
| Luis Mateo | 405 | 3.7% | 21.5% | .079 | .282 | .228 | .264 | .306 | .252 |
| Joey Butler | 557 | 8.4% | 28.5% | .116 | .330 | .241 | .311 | .357 | .297 |
| Justin Christian | 444 | 5.2% | 13.5% | .087 | .271 | .240 | .286 | .328 | .276 |
| Ty Wigginton | 264 | 7.6% | 22.0% | .118 | .266 | .223 | .288 | .340 | .276 |
| Anthony Garcia | 443 | 5.2% | 31.2% | .152 | .281 | .210 | .265 | .362 | .274 |
| Xavier Scruggs | 532 | 9.4% | 38.9% | .145 | .305 | .196 | .284 | .341 | .281 |
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Batters, Assorted Other
| Player | PA | RC/27 | OPS+ | Def | zWAR | No.1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Yadier Molina | 546 | 5.7 | 114 | 9 | 5.0 | Thurman Munson |
| Matt Carpenter | 615 | 5.3 | 112 | 0 | 3.4 | Lou Whitaker |
| Matt Holliday | 577 | 6.3 | 128 | -3 | 3.0 | Bob Elliott |
| Jhonny Peralta | 520 | 4.8 | 102 | 2 | 2.8 | Travis Fryman |
| Peter Bourjos | 385 | 5.0 | 103 | 5 | 2.3 | Deion Sanders |
| Kolten Wong | 555 | 4.6 | 93 | 3 | 2.3 | Dalton Jones |
| Jon Jay | 570 | 4.7 | 98 | -3 | 1.8 | Del Unser |
| Oscar Taveras | 388 | 5.8 | 114 | -4 | 1.8 | Shawn Green |
| Allen Craig | 503 | 5.9 | 118 | -1 | 1.8 | Lamar Johnson |
| Carlos Beltran | 548 | 5.5 | 116 | -5 | 1.7 | Bobby Bonilla |
| Randal Grichuk | 585 | 4.3 | 94 | 6 | 1.4 | Chris James |
| Scott Moore | 474 | 4.1 | 91 | -5 | 1.3 | Mike Pagliarulo |
| Rafael Furcal | 328 | 4.3 | 89 | -4 | 1.2 | Jose Vizcaino |
| Greg Garcia | 482 | 3.8 | 81 | -4 | 1.0 | Sam Khalifa |
| Matt Adams | 382 | 5.2 | 111 | -1 | 1.0 | Reggie Jefferson |
| Jermaine Curtis | 440 | 4.1 | 87 | -3 | 1.0 | Scott Campbell |
| Stephen Piscotty | 508 | 4.6 | 96 | 0 | 0.9 | Ron MacDonald |
| Mike O’Neill | 476 | 4.5 | 94 | -1 | 0.9 | Greg Gross |
| Audry Perez | 339 | 2.9 | 60 | 5 | 0.7 | Hector Kuilan |
| Thomas Pham | 237 | 3.7 | 83 | 1 | 0.5 | Damon Mashore |
| Pete Kozma | 522 | 2.9 | 62 | 5 | 0.5 | Marc Mirizzi |
| Tony Cruz | 193 | 3.2 | 70 | 2 | 0.5 | Carlos Corporan |
| Daniel Descalso | 418 | 4.0 | 85 | -6 | 0.5 | Vance Law |
| Starlin Rodriguez | 471 | 3.4 | 75 | 1 | 0.5 | Vance Law |
| Ruben Gotay | 490 | 3.4 | 73 | -4 | 0.4 | Dave Rohde |
| Shane Robinson | 230 | 4.3 | 88 | 1 | 0.4 | Bubba Carpenter |
| Chad Huffman | 387 | 3.9 | 83 | -1 | 0.1 | Mike Colangelo |
| Rob Johnson | 252 | 2.9 | 66 | -2 | 0.1 | Henry Blanco |
| Brock Peterson | 399 | 4.0 | 89 | 0 | 0.0 | Chris Widger |
| James Ramsey | 503 | 3.2 | 70 | -3 | 0.0 | Mike Neill |
| Luis Mateo | 405 | 2.8 | 58 | 1 | -0.1 | Diory Hernandez |
| Joey Butler | 557 | 3.9 | 85 | -5 | -0.2 | Jeremy Slayden |
| Justin Christian | 444 | 3.6 | 70 | 1 | -0.4 | Thomas Johnson |
| Ty Wigginton | 264 | 3.4 | 74 | -4 | -1.0 | Todd Zeile |
| Anthony Garcia | 443 | 3.1 | 72 | -4 | -1.1 | Brandon Sing |
| Xavier Scruggs | 532 | 3.2 | 73 | -3 | -1.3 | Benji Simonton |
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Pitchers, Counting Stats
| Player | T | Age | G | GS | IP | SO | BB | HR | H | R | ER |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Adam Wainwright | R | 32 | 31 | 31 | 208.3 | 183 | 39 | 15 | 197 | 79 | 74 |
| Shelby Miller | R | 23 | 31 | 31 | 174.7 | 171 | 55 | 18 | 154 | 68 | 64 |
| Lance Lynn | R | 27 | 33 | 27 | 173.7 | 166 | 62 | 13 | 160 | 73 | 68 |
| Michael Wacha | R | 22 | 28 | 24 | 155.3 | 135 | 45 | 15 | 142 | 65 | 61 |
| Trevor Rosenthal | R | 24 | 75 | 0 | 79.7 | 103 | 24 | 5 | 60 | 22 | 21 |
| Joe Kelly | R | 26 | 33 | 22 | 146.7 | 97 | 51 | 12 | 150 | 67 | 63 |
| Jaime Garcia | L | 27 | 19 | 19 | 116.3 | 93 | 29 | 10 | 119 | 52 | 49 |
| Carlos Martinez | R | 22 | 32 | 18 | 108.3 | 84 | 39 | 8 | 106 | 48 | 45 |
| Tyler Lyons | L | 26 | 28 | 21 | 127.0 | 88 | 41 | 14 | 132 | 66 | 62 |
| Jason Motte | R | 32 | 52 | 0 | 49.7 | 50 | 14 | 5 | 42 | 18 | 17 |
| Kevin Siegrist | L | 24 | 58 | 0 | 55.3 | 58 | 26 | 4 | 45 | 21 | 20 |
| John Axford | R | 31 | 71 | 0 | 66.0 | 72 | 26 | 6 | 59 | 28 | 26 |
| Edward Mujica | R | 30 | 64 | 0 | 63.0 | 47 | 10 | 7 | 61 | 27 | 25 |
| Boone Whiting | R | 24 | 22 | 21 | 102.7 | 72 | 39 | 12 | 107 | 56 | 52 |
| Randy Choate | L | 38 | 63 | 0 | 31.0 | 26 | 11 | 2 | 28 | 13 | 12 |
| Lee Stoppelman | L | 24 | 44 | 0 | 51.0 | 48 | 24 | 4 | 46 | 22 | 21 |
| Seth Maness | R | 25 | 76 | 0 | 78.3 | 45 | 14 | 8 | 83 | 36 | 34 |
| John Gast | L | 25 | 19 | 19 | 100.7 | 62 | 41 | 10 | 108 | 57 | 53 |
| Chris Carpenter | R | 39 | 2 | 2 | 9.3 | 6 | 4 | 1 | 10 | 5 | 5 |
| Victor Marte | R | 33 | 51 | 0 | 54.0 | 40 | 26 | 5 | 55 | 28 | 26 |
| Keith Butler | R | 25 | 52 | 0 | 56.0 | 48 | 29 | 6 | 53 | 29 | 27 |
| Sam Freeman | L | 27 | 63 | 0 | 70.7 | 50 | 35 | 6 | 71 | 36 | 34 |
| Barret Browning | L | 29 | 35 | 0 | 40.7 | 27 | 19 | 4 | 42 | 22 | 21 |
| Kevin Thomas | R | 27 | 49 | 0 | 63.7 | 49 | 30 | 8 | 65 | 35 | 33 |
| Eric Fornataro | R | 26 | 51 | 0 | 63.3 | 36 | 29 | 6 | 68 | 35 | 33 |
| Scott McGregor | R | 27 | 21 | 20 | 107.7 | 56 | 42 | 15 | 123 | 67 | 63 |
| Jorge Rondon | R | 26 | 52 | 0 | 60.3 | 36 | 41 | 6 | 65 | 39 | 36 |
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Pitchers, Rates and Averages
| Player | IP | TBF | K% | BB% | BABIP | ERA | FIP | ERA- | FIP- |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Adam Wainwright | 208.3 | 861 | 21.2% | 4.5% | .294 | 3.20 | 2.93 | 87 | 79 |
| Shelby Miller | 174.7 | 733 | 23.3% | 7.5% | .281 | 3.30 | 3.57 | 89 | 97 |
| Lance Lynn | 173.7 | 743 | 22.4% | 8.4% | .297 | 3.52 | 3.41 | 95 | 92 |
| Michael Wacha | 155.3 | 654 | 20.7% | 7.0% | .280 | 3.53 | 3.65 | 96 | 99 |
| Trevor Rosenthal | 79.7 | 322 | 31.9% | 7.4% | .293 | 2.37 | 2.51 | 64 | 68 |
| Joe Kelly | 146.7 | 640 | 15.2% | 7.9% | .290 | 3.87 | 3.93 | 105 | 106 |
| Jaime Garcia | 116.3 | 497 | 18.6% | 5.8% | .299 | 3.79 | 3.42 | 103 | 93 |
| Carlos Martinez | 108.3 | 470 | 17.9% | 8.3% | .297 | 3.74 | 3.79 | 101 | 102 |
| Tyler Lyons | 127.0 | 554 | 15.9% | 7.5% | .293 | 4.39 | 4.33 | 119 | 117 |
| Jason Motte | 49.7 | 205 | 24.5% | 6.8% | .279 | 3.08 | 3.27 | 83 | 89 |
| Kevin Siegrist | 55.3 | 237 | 24.6% | 10.9% | .280 | 3.25 | 3.50 | 88 | 95 |
| John Axford | 66.0 | 283 | 25.5% | 9.2% | .296 | 3.55 | 3.32 | 96 | 90 |
| Edward Mujica | 63.0 | 260 | 18.0% | 3.9% | .276 | 3.57 | 3.54 | 97 | 96 |
| Boone Whiting | 102.7 | 455 | 15.8% | 8.6% | .295 | 4.56 | 4.54 | 123 | 123 |
| Randy Choate | 31.0 | 132 | 19.4% | 8.5% | .287 | 3.48 | 3.65 | 94 | 99 |
| Lee Stoppelman | 51.0 | 224 | 21.2% | 10.9% | .292 | 3.71 | 3.79 | 100 | 103 |
| Seth Maness | 78.3 | 332 | 13.5% | 4.2% | .290 | 3.91 | 3.77 | 106 | 102 |
| John Gast | 100.7 | 451 | 13.7% | 9.0% | .295 | 4.74 | 4.59 | 128 | 124 |
| Chris Carpenter | 9.3 | 41 | 13.9% | 8.4% | .293 | 4.82 | 4.93 | 130 | 133 |
| Victor Marte | 54.0 | 243 | 16.4% | 10.7% | .299 | 4.33 | 4.20 | 117 | 114 |
| Keith Butler | 56.0 | 251 | 19.3% | 11.6% | .292 | 4.34 | 4.42 | 117 | 120 |
| Sam Freeman | 70.7 | 317 | 15.7% | 10.9% | .289 | 4.33 | 4.44 | 117 | 120 |
| Barret Browning | 40.7 | 183 | 14.9% | 10.6% | .290 | 4.65 | 4.54 | 126 | 123 |
| Kevin Thomas | 63.7 | 286 | 17.1% | 10.5% | .295 | 4.66 | 4.74 | 126 | 128 |
| Eric Fornataro | 63.3 | 288 | 12.4% | 10.2% | .294 | 4.69 | 4.67 | 127 | 126 |
| Scott McGregor | 107.7 | 488 | 11.4% | 8.5% | .294 | 5.27 | 5.19 | 142 | 140 |
| Jorge Rondon | 60.3 | 287 | 12.7% | 14.3% | .294 | 5.37 | 5.40 | 145 | 146 |
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Pitchers, Assorted Other
| Player | IP | K/9 | BB/9 | HR/9 | ERA+ | zWAR | No. 1 Comp |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Adam Wainwright | 208.3 | 7.88 | 1.67 | 0.66 | 117 | 4.0 | Mike Mussina |
| Shelby Miller | 174.7 | 8.80 | 2.83 | 0.95 | 114 | 3.2 | Jack McDowell |
| Lance Lynn | 173.7 | 8.60 | 3.21 | 0.68 | 106 | 2.6 | Darryl Kile |
| Michael Wacha | 155.3 | 7.83 | 2.64 | 0.89 | 106 | 2.3 | Jose Guzman |
| Trevor Rosenthal | 79.7 | 11.63 | 2.68 | 0.61 | 158 | 1.6 | Antonio Osuna |
| Joe Kelly | 146.7 | 5.95 | 3.12 | 0.71 | 97 | 1.5 | Aaron Cook |
| Jaime Garcia | 116.3 | 7.16 | 2.25 | 0.79 | 99 | 1.4 | John Halama |
| Carlos Martinez | 108.3 | 7.00 | 3.25 | 0.65 | 100 | 1.3 | Jose Capellan |
| Tyler Lyons | 127.0 | 6.23 | 2.93 | 0.98 | 85 | 0.5 | Jeff Urban |
| Jason Motte | 49.7 | 9.09 | 2.51 | 0.84 | 122 | 0.5 | Jerry Spradlin |
| Kevin Siegrist | 55.3 | 9.50 | 4.23 | 0.71 | 115 | 0.5 | Darren Oliver |
| John Axford | 66.0 | 9.84 | 3.53 | 0.87 | 106 | 0.4 | Frank LaCorte |
| Edward Mujica | 63.0 | 6.69 | 1.45 | 1.02 | 105 | 0.3 | Joseph Haines |
| Boone Whiting | 102.7 | 6.31 | 3.44 | 1.02 | 82 | 0.3 | Nick DeBarr |
| Randy Choate | 31.0 | 7.44 | 3.24 | 0.56 | 108 | 0.2 | Brian Shouse |
| Lee Stoppelman | 51.0 | 8.38 | 4.31 | 0.68 | 101 | 0.2 | Darren Oliver |
| Seth Maness | 78.3 | 5.16 | 1.59 | 0.88 | 96 | 0.1 | Randy Graham |
| John Gast | 100.7 | 5.52 | 3.64 | 0.92 | 79 | 0.1 | John Courtright |
| Chris Carpenter | 9.3 | 5.57 | 3.38 | 1.11 | 78 | 0.0 | Steve Ontiveros |
| Victor Marte | 54.0 | 6.65 | 4.35 | 0.77 | 87 | -0.2 | David Lee |
| Keith Butler | 56.0 | 7.78 | 4.68 | 0.94 | 86 | -0.2 | Pete Sikaras |
| Sam Freeman | 70.7 | 6.33 | 4.42 | 0.78 | 87 | -0.3 | Philip Barzilla |
| Barret Browning | 40.7 | 6.04 | 4.28 | 0.87 | 81 | -0.3 | Ken Vining |
| Kevin Thomas | 63.7 | 6.92 | 4.24 | 1.07 | 80 | -0.5 | Paul Wilmet |
| Eric Fornataro | 63.3 | 5.07 | 4.19 | 0.78 | 80 | -0.5 | Scott Munter |
| Scott McGregor | 107.7 | 4.65 | 3.48 | 1.23 | 71 | -0.6 | Kirk McDonald |
| Jorge Rondon | 60.3 | 5.41 | 6.11 | 0.93 | 70 | -1.0 | Darin Moore |
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Disclaimer: ZiPS projections are computer-based projections of performance. Performances have not been allocated to predicted playing time in the majors — many of the players listed above are unlikely to play in the majors at all in 2014. ZiPS is projecting equivalent production — a .240 ZiPS projection may end up being .280 in AAA or .300 in AA, for example. Whether or not a player will play is one of many non-statistical factors one has to take into account when predicting the future.
Players are listed with their most recent teams unless Dan has made a mistake. This is very possible as a lot of minor-league signings are generally unreported in the offseason.
ZiPS is projecting based on the AL having a 4.04 ERA and the NL having a 3.81 ERA.
Players that are expected to be out due to injury are still projected. More information is always better than less information and a computer isn’t what should be projecting the injury status of, for example, a pitcher with Tommy John surgery.
Regarding ERA+ vs. ERA- (and FIP+ vs. FIP-) and the differences therein: as Patriot notes here, they are not simply mirror images of each other. Writes Patriot: “ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA.”
Both hitters and pitchers are ranked by projected zWAR — which is to say, WAR values as calculated by Dan Szymborski, whose surname is spelled with a z. WAR values might differ slightly from those which appear in full release of ZiPS. Finally, Szymborski will advise anyone against — and might karate chop anyone guilty of — merely adding up WAR totals on depth chart to produce projected team WAR.
Carson Cistulli has published a book of aphorisms called Spirited Ejaculations of a New Enthusiast.

Understandably there are health concerns surrounding Bourjos and Garcia – so no issue there – but I feel as though Lynn’s projections (from ZiPS, Marcel, and Steamer) all seem pretty low and I’m not sure why most of them assume he’ll get worse in his run production. Not complaining, or feel the systems are “against” him, I just don’t quite understand it.
Lynn’s projection looks very similar his 2012 (176 IP, 99 ERA-, 92 FIP-), which produced 2.7 WAR, so the projected 2.6 seems pretty much in-line.
I’d give Adams 1 more WAR, and if we say Craig/(others) in RF, give that position 1 more WAR. I’m pretty much OK with the other guesstimates.
Adams has said he’s lost weight, and he intends to work on lefty slider-throwers in extra-preseason work, hence my thoughts there.
Since Craig will still get some spotting at 1B, and Tavares or whomever will play RF, that’s the extra 1 WAR out there.
I’m OK with Carpenter at 3, though a 4 wouldn’t surprise me.
Otherwise, estimates are generally OK.
Is anyone aware of which projection systems are using xBABIPS or batted ball breakdowns in the calculations? These projections are helpful, but seem less accurate because they seem to be using highly generalized babips rather than what a plater is likely to have. This is espcecially true for players that have sustained high or low babips their entire career…
ZiPS does have an xBABIP-like inclusion. But the *components* of xBABIP are subject to regression as well.
So, Yadier Molina takes over the WAR lead among projected players. Also, don’t sign Carlos Beltran.
Ouch, that’s a pretty terrible projection for Carpenter considering he has an 851 career OPS.
Carpenter has an .851 OPS in the majors. He does not have a career .851 OPS – he didn’t start playing high-level professional baseball at 26. Players that outperform their minor league numbers to this degree do tend to regress in the medium-term – those numbers still matter.
It’s probable in this case that ZiPS had harsher translations than Steamer or Oliver – I have Carpenter’s 2011 as 233/333/344 and 267/361/379 (he got a lot of his minor league value from walks and those players tend to have disproportionately difficult major league transitions, though not in this case so far).
Yeah, I was particularly interested him since I have him in BNSL, but it’s pretty much right what I expected. I figured 110+ minimum, 115+ hopefully.
In any case, could you refresh us on how many years the ZiPS go back and what the rough weights were again?
Hmmm, OK. At some point, I do think minor league stats cease to matter, though perhaps not quite yet. Anyway, his minor league stats seem pretty good to me – 300/417/463 in AAA in 2011, and slightly better than that at lower levels in 2010. An ISO of 163 doesn’t seem particularly awful either.
I can see that his major league stats are somewhat better than expected compared to his minor league performances, but those are solidly in the rear view mirror. I didn’t think that a AAA OPS of 880 three seasons ago would drag him down that much, especially as he’s coming into his prime.
Part of it, too, is that ZIPS projections for batters are almost always a bit lower than I expect for above average players.
Most people expect more, but that’s not what projections systems do. People don’t like to think about regression nearly as much as the actual data does. I’d guess the odds of playing above his projection are pretty decent for a few things. Speaking of, the Oddities are one of the things i miss most about ZiPS posts.
As for 2011, as nice as those numbers look it was ‘only’ a wRC+ of 126, which wasn’t even top 35 (>200 PA) for the league.
Bobby,
I think it’s almost a lock that he’ll regress from last season, when he had an 871 OPS. But 272/351/413 would be more like a collapse. I thought surely after two MLB seasons where he easily cleared an 800 OPS (in fact a bit closer to 900 than 800 overall) and two minor league seasons before that where he was nearly at 900, he would be a lock for a projection around 800.
Maybe he had a bad year in high school 10 years ago or something…I’m not sure.
He was over .880 for two minor league seasons with a significant portion of it being in the OBP category. He’s not significantly outplaying anything he did in the minors – as a whole – in the majors. Last year (2013) was much better than I thought, but if he goes for an .828 OPS over 700 PAs, he should still be worth more than the WAR listed…
Actually, Carpenter has an 851 OPS over 1076 PA’s in MLB the last 2 years (and a cup of coffee in 2011)
Where’s me?
Matt Carpenter, across AA plus AAA (2010 & 2011), batted .309 (BABIP .353) with a cumulative ISO of .168.
In the majors, he’s hit .306 (BABIP .351) with an ISO of .163. Minor and major league numbers can’t get any closer than that.
Also, for his AA/AAA time, his wRC+ was a cumulative 138; at the MLB level so far, also 138. So I was wrong; they *could* get closer.
For all the world, it certainly looks like Carpenter is just doing in the majors exactly what he did in the upper minors — walk rate nuances notwithstanding. Anyway I expect Carp to be well above the 3.4 WAR that ZiPS projects, given that the guy just turned 28 last month and should be right in the thick of his prime. I’d say the Clay Davenport 5.6 WAR projection will prove much more on target.
I think the point is that you don’t expect a guy’s MLB numbers to be the same as his MiLB numbers. You expect them to be lower. And Carpenter’s aren’t, which is weird. Perhaps he continues this trend- this would be awesome, because I am a Cardinals fan, but I am only cautiously optimistic here.
But for good, very good, and great hitters, their MLB *prime* seasons frequently surpass their *overall* minor league average batting line. (The examples of this are so numerous that it would take less time to list the exceptions.) And Carp is in his prime.
In short, there isn’t a chance in hell that he hits .272 any time soon.
Hello.
Almost all of these projection systems seem to assume a fairly average BABIP, around .300-.320, even for players who traditionally have higher ones.
I mean, that’s sort of the point – what would the results be in an average year.
Except BABIP fails to account for hitters with consistently high line drive rates like Holliday, Craig, and Molina.
I’m expecting Martinez to crack the rotation.
I think you’ll probably end up disappointed.
Sure wish I was a starter.
Shoot, I meant to add, just for kicks, Matt Carpenter’s senior collegiate stats, prorated to 600 AB’s. Here:
66 doubles, 18 triples, 32 homers, 147 walks versus just 69 strikeouts, and 38-for-41 in stolen bases.
Sure, sure, it was metal bat baseball. But the point is that he was dominant in pretty much every way you could want — power, speed, patience, contact ability. All the markings for future MLB success were there. In other words, the wonder isn’t that he’s turned out so well; the wonder is that he lasted until the 13th round of the draft.
Because he doesn’t have “tools.” I’ve gotten used to players like Carpenter (who just know how to hit and how to play baseball) being underrated by the scouting community. I don’t understand, though, why a system which analyzes raw numbers still is lukewarm on him. As you said, he’s never done anything but play at a high level.
The one thing is that one would have expected him to regress somewhat as he reached higher levels, but he never did. Still, an 880 OPS in AAA three years ago doesn’t seem to account for dragging his projection down all the way to 764, from an 851 career the last two years in MLB.
I watched the 2011 NLDS game 5 between the Cardinals and the Nationals a little while ago, and I noticed that the commentator (Brenly maybe?) was extremely down on Carpenter when he appeared to pinch hit. He said he had a “slider speed bat” that couldn’t hit a good fastball. When he struck out he as good as said “told you so.”
Obviously this view hasn’t held up. Carpenter can hit a fastball. But I wonder if there wasn’t a real vulnerability there at some time that he has since adjusted and learned to cover.
Nope, just Brenly is just an idiot.
@Leo: That would be 2012 NLDS. 2011 NLDS was against Roy Halladay and the Phillies.
Is it me or does anyone else almost always want the actual player and not the comp?
I’d gladly take Lou Whitaker! Also, I’m pretty sure that putting Todd Zeile on the field in 2014 would be no worse than putting Ty Wigginton on the field.
I put the WAR/PA and WAR/IP numbers in a spreadsheet and estimated playing time for each player, scaling it to the number of PAs and IPs the Cardinals had last year. I ended up with a total of 46 WAR for the 2014 Cardinals, 6 WAR higher than their total in 2013.
I think this underrates a lot of their young talent, but isn’t that ZIPs biggest flaw anyway?
A lot of people seem to usually think ZiPS is overly kind to young players… but maybe that’s only in DMB leagues from bitter sim GMs. lol
So Carpenter projects to average .046 lower than last year and .036 lower than his career.
Holliday will hit .023 worse, Molina will hit .026 worse.
Craig will hit .31 points less for an average that’s .022 below his career average.
Adams will also regress .019 in average.
lol seems legit
Agreed. I know Dan tweeted something about hoping Cards’ fans would attack ZIPS like they have in the past since he’s got 8 or 9 guys hitting above an average major leaguer…however, if I had the Detroit Tigers’ starting pitching at a 105 ERA+ for Verlander, 103 ERA+ for Scherzer, 102 ERA+ for Sanchez, and 101 ERA+ for Fister – last year, since Fister is no longer there – I probably wouldn’t go on Twitter and say that I hope Tigers fans won’t be pissed because I’ve got them at 4 starters over league average.
D’oh – can’t edit.
Meant to add:
However, I do know that historically, ZIPS hates high BABIP players and the Cardinals are a high BABIP team, in general.
Agreed. The Cardinals like to stock up on line-drive hitters (usually with at least some power), which BABIP completely ignores. The only traditional power hitter they have is Adams.
Not sure why ZiPS doesn’t work for the current StL hitters, why it over-regresses their BABIP so severely — or did so last year in any case. The 2013 results:
ZiPS projected the octet of Holliday, Freese, Jay, Craig, Beltran, Molina, Adams and Carpenter to have a fairly massive BABIP decline averaging 22 points from their 2012 BABIP performances. A great gnashing of teeth ensued among some Cardinal fans. (I’ll admit, I gnashed a bit.)
So what happened? Those 8 hitters actually saw their BABIPs rise by an average of 4 points. ZiPS underestimated the BABIP of all but David Freese (ZiPS was .003 too high), and was low on 3 of them by at least 40 points.
This year, the half dozen holdover Cardinal batters are projected to lose an average of 28 BABIP points from their 2013 performances — don’t bet on it. I would very unscientifically expect instead a modest decline averaging 5-10 points per player.
Wait…so ZIPS assumes that all hitters will have the same BABIP on average? Isn’t that a faulty assumption to start with? Hitters obviously have some control over their BABIP, right? Guys like Carew, Ichiro, Jeter, even Miggy are obvious examples, right?
Bourjos/Neon Deion made me smile ear to ear.
Nobody hitting above .293 and no starting pitcher having an ERA lower than 3.20? Really? I know those stats don’t mean everything but, really? That’s crap.
So Wong is projected to have a WAR over double that of Adams?! Even if they both get regular playing time the entire season and factoring in the dubiousness of defensive WAR, I’ll believe it when I see it. Remind me again which one has actually proven he can hit Major League pitching?
It’s not that I’m down on Wong. I do expect him to develop into a useful player, just not this soon. The way he absolutely sucked after his callup in August leads me to believe that it will take at least a couple of months into the 2014 season before he becomes even a decent hitter.
Positional adjustments be trollin’ ya.
I’m also not buying those projections for Carpenter. I understand that maybe a 320 BA might be pushing it for next year, but whoever thinks he will hit 270 needs to start watching games and put the computer aside for a second. Aside from the fact that he had a 27.3% line drive rate that led to 55 doubles and 7 triples, he also had a walk rate of around 10% while reducing significantly his K rate.
As many have stated, he just did in MLB what he did in the minors and his approach reminds me that of Joe Mauer. The one stat that many have not stated is he also had a 34% fly ball rate to go with the absurd line drive one, which means he rarely hits the ball on the ground and could actually have more power upside that many may think. I would say a line of 290/360/450 would be his floor for 2014.
Watch a game? Ew gross.