2015 Trade Value: #40 to #31

Introduction
Players #50 to #41

We covered the last 10 guys on the list yesterday, so today is the next group up. In many cases, these guys are similar performers to yesterday’s group, just with better contracts or more years of team control remaining. In one particular case, there’s an exceptional performer with a somewhat larger contract, but we’ll get to those specifics in the write-ups.

As a reminder, in addition to the player’s biographical information, I’ve added a summary of his contract situation, and as a new feature this year, Dan Szymborski has provided me with five year ZIPS forecasts for all of the players on the list, which I’ve listed along with their 2016 projection. Of course, not every player listed is under control for the next five years — some are locked up well beyond that time frame — but this should offer you a pretty decent view of what a player is expected to do both in the short-term and the longer-term, according to Dan’s forecasting system.

For the contract details, I’m only displaying future obligations beginning with their 2016 salary. I’ve tried to ensure that these are as accurate as can be, but they were also collected manually, so there probably will be some mistakes; there are plenty of weird clauses and options that make aggregating all this information particularly annoying. Also, we’re not including things like All-Star bonuses or incentive escalators, as this is intended to give more of a big picture view than be a precise accounting of the exact cost of a future player. A few hundred thousand here and there won’t change the rankings.

Also, keep in mind that some players have contracts that give them a guaranteed minimum, but they are also able to opt-into arbitration when they are eligible. This is pretty common now with prominent international signings, and so some of these guys will probably earn more than their contracts currently call for, but I’ve still just included the guaranteed minimum in the future salary commitment because we don’t know for sure that they’re going to opt into arbitration yet.

Finally, we’ve also included a nifty little graphic at the bottom that visualizes a lot of the information contained below, so if you want to see the projections and contract status for everyone together, you can get a summary of that at the bottom. The chart goes out five years, so some players have additional value beyond what’s displayed, but it should give you a good overview of what each player offers going forward.

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#40: Freddie Freeman, 1B, Atlanta
Controlled Through: 2021
Guaranteed Dollars: $118.5 million
2016 ZIPS WAR: +3.6
Five year ZIPS WAR: +16.6
Last Year: #24

Still just 25 years old, Freeman has established himself as one of the best hitters in baseball over the past few years, consistently posting excellent numbers despite not being a traditional slugger. He started to flash a bit more power in the first half of 2015 before a wrist injury forced him to the DL, and while ZIPS might not see a lot of future growth here, it’s not at all uncommon for power to develop a bit later, and if you add a few extra homers to his overall line, Freeman quickly becomes an elite player.

His contract with the Braves is both a positive and a negative. On the one hand, any team acquiring Freeman would be picking up six more years of his services, which covers the years he’s most likely to produce at a high level without extending into his decline phase. On the other hand, the price for those years runs at nearly $20 million per season, so Freeman costs quite a bit more than a lot of the players on this list. But he’s clearly worth a good deal more than the $120 million he’s due over the next six years, and he’s still young enough to have a significant breakout and make this contract look like a massive bargain. The combination of real offensive value now plus some remaining upside would lead to a strong market for Freeman’s bat if the Braves put him on the market, but they’ll almost certainly just build around him instead.


#39: Carlos Carrasco, SP, Cleveland
Controlled Through: 2020
Guaranteed Dollars: $20.25 million
2016 ZIPS WAR: +3.2
Five year ZIPS WAR: +15.2
Last Year: Unranked

A year ago, Carrasco was getting his career back on track as a reliever, but wasn’t on the radar for this series; busted prospects who can pitch out of the bullpen are nice and all, but they aren’t exactly franchise cornerstones. But his success in relief prompted the Indians to move him back into the rotation, and in 28 starts since then, he’s ran a 2.99 ERA/2.35 FIP/2.50 xFIP in 177 innings. By xFIP-, the only pitchers better over the past calendar year have been Clayton Kershaw and Corey Kluber.

Carrasco is almost certainly not going to keep this up, of course, and his career trend of underperforming his peripherals make him less valuable in the trade market than xFIP would suggest, but there’s no question that teams would be lining up to see what Carrasco could do with a better defense behind him, especially considering that he took a cut-rate deal from the Indians this spring. The deal calls for Carrasco to make just $20 million over the next three years, then gives the team two cheap team options; if both options are exercised, the deal is still just $38 million over five years. His sketchy track record and short time performing at this level make him a risky asset, but the upside is obvious, and if he does put it all together, he’ll be one of the most valuable assets in the game.


#38: Felix Hernandez, SP, Seattle
Controlled Through: 2019
Guaranteed Dollars: $104 million
2016 ZIPS WAR: +5.6
Five year ZIPS WAR: +26.0
Last Year: #20

In his 11th year in the big leagues, the King remains an elite pitcher, one of the true aces the game has to offer. While most of the rest of the players in this section of the list are either somewhat flawed on the field, or remain more potential than performance, there are no quibbles to be had with what Felix does on the mound every five days. He just dominates, just as he has for over a decade now.

But the sustained workload he’s put in will eventually catch up to him, and perhaps some signs of that eventual decline are starting to show. His velocity and strikeout rate are both down a tick this year, and he’s been a bit more mortal in the first half of the season. So while the four years left on his contract are certainly still way below market value, Felix falls from the #20 spot last year to #38 this year, as the $26 million per year price tag becomes a little harder to swallow if he’s not a cut above the rest of the arms available. He’s still clearly a top-tier guy, but he won’t be forever, and Felix is now more of a short-term asset than a long-term building block. ZIPS remains bullish on Felix going forward, but any time a pitcher racks up this many innings, risk becomes a legitimate concern, and while Felix is still great, he might be a little less great going forward.


#37: Michael Wacha, SP, St. Louis
Controlled Through: 2019
Guaranteed Dollars: None
2016 ZIPS WAR: +3.4
Five year ZIPS WAR: +17.7
Last Year: Unranked

Hey, look, a Cardinals pitcher. The player development factory in eastern Missouri simply keeps churning out high-level performers, and Wacha looks like the heir apparent to Adam Wainwright’s role as the organizational ace. No, he’s not quite at that level yet, but his stuff is again trending upwards, and after posting some lower strikeout rates early in the season, Wacha is now blowing opposing hitters away the last few months. Toss in excellent command and good secondary stuff, and Wacha is legitimately one of the best young pitchers in the game.

So why is he this low? The shoulder issue that shut him down in the second half of 2014 has to remain a bit of a concern, and the Cardinals haven’t yet been able to get him to sign a long-term extension yet, meaning that he could get a bit pricey when those arbitration awards start adding up. In the short-term, he’s going to be an absurd bargain for the next few years, but if he goes year to year and continues to pitch at this level, those last couple of arbitration years are going to cost St. Louis some significant salaries. But even without that cost certainty, Wacha’s simply too good to end up lower than this, and if you’re not worried about the shoulder, there’s a strong argument that he should be even higher.


#36: Yordano Ventura, SP, Kansas City
Controlled Through: 2021
Guaranteed Dollars: $21.25 million
2016 ZIPS WAR: +3.1
Five year ZIPS WAR: +18.0
Last Year: #32

Ventura is western Missouri’s answer to Wacha, as a 24 year old who has already shown he can get big league hitters out while offering potential for improvement as well. In the short-term, I think the league mostly prefers Wacha, as Ventura’s inability to turn his velocity into strikeouts makes him more of a good pitcher than a great one. But he’s also still quite young, and there’s still plenty of room for the strikeouts to come later, which is why ZIPS sees a nice step forward coming in the near future.

And if that step forward happens, the Royals won’t have to pay for it, having already locked Ventura up to a long-term deal that covers the next six seasons, the last two of which are in the form of team options. The Royals are only on the hook for a little over $20 million over four guaranteed seasons, and if both options are exercised, they’re still only out $44 million over six years. But given Ventura’s size and a few elbow scares already, we shouldn’t count on those options absolutely being exercised; he might end up more of an early-peak guy if his arm doesn’t hold up or the stuff doesn’t come all the way back after rehab. But given the upside his contract offers if he does stay healthy and develops, that’s a risk worth taking for every team in baseball.


#35: Jose Altuve, 2B, Houston
Controlled Through: 2019
Guaranteed Dollars: $8 million
2016 ZIPS WAR: +3.9
Five year ZIPS WAR: +17.8
Last Year: Unranked

Altuve hasn’t been able to match his breakout 2014 from an offensive standpoint — sustaining a .360 BABIP is hard, after all — but he’s showing the same improvements in both power and strikeout rate that made it possible in the first place, and those core skills make him more than just a height-challenged curiosity. The lack of walks means that he’s probably always going to be more of an above average hitter than an offensive force, but with improved defense at second base and the value he adds from stealing bases, Altuve should continue to be a very good player for years to come.

And thanks to the contract he signed before his breakout, he’s going to make bench-player money through the prime of his career. Altuve is signed for the next two years at a total of $8 million, and then the Astros hold two options that would pay him another $12 million between both years, so the remaining four years on his contract will cost the Astros just $20 million, assuming those options are exercised. And combined with his quality performance, that contract makes Altuve one of baseball’s best bargains.


#34: Salvador Perez, C, Kansas City
Controlled Through: 2019
Guaranteed Dollars: $5.75 million
2016 ZIPS WAR: +3.5
Five year ZIPS WAR: +17.1
Last Year: #7

When this list was published a year ago, Perez ranked in the top 10 in large part because of what looked like a real step forward in the first half; he was hitting .283/.329/.437, good for a 116 wRC+, and his improving walk and strikeout rates looked like the maturation of a 24 year old coming into his own. Since that time, Perez has hit .246/.257/.408 (an 80 wRC+), and that doesn’t include his disastrous postseason, when he ran a 40 wRC+ and looked helplessly overmatched against quality pitching. Perez serves as a nice reminder of our need to not overreact too much to the most recent half season of performance, and I was too aggressive in moving Perez from 36 to 7 last year.

But even with a .273 OBP, Perez remains an asset on the field, thanks to his contact and power; it’s also a testament to the current run environment that a guy who makes that many outs can still be running a league average wRC+. But he is, and when you add in the fact that he’s a catcher who excels at blocking pitches in the dirt and shutting down the running game, and you still have a quality player despite the one glaring flaw in his offensive game. And his contract situation is nearly identical to Altuve’s, especially because his 2015 all-star selection triggered the maximum incentives, so he’ll earn an additional $5 million in the last three years of the deal, pushing the grand total to just over $21 million over the next four years. Perez might make a lot of outs, but he does almost everything else well, and that makes him a significant part of the Royals success.


#33: Xander Bogaerts, SS, Boston
Controlled Through: 2019
Guaranteed Dollars: None
2016 ZIPS WAR: +3.7
Five year ZIPS WAR: +20.1
Last Year: #24

Two years ago, Bogaerts was the prototypical slugging middle infielder, a guy who might not be able to stick at shortstop but would hit for enough power and draw enough walks to be valuable at a corner spot if need be. Now, Bogaerts is a contact-oriented slap hitter who has improved dramatically on defense but is offensively comparable to Jose Iglesias, the glove-first shortstop the Red Sox traded because they had Bogaerts waiting in the wings. Baseball is weird.

Also, though, Bogaerts is 22, and he pretty clearly is not a finished product. Transitioning into hitting for more contact has helped him stay afloat in the big leagues without the power necessary to make up for his earlier strikeout problems, but it seems possible that Bogaerts could trade some of that contact to get more power as he fills out and gets a little stronger. I wouldn’t give up on Bogaerts becoming a slugging shortstop just yet, and the fact that he’s found a way to succeed even without power is an encouraging sign for his future abilities.

That said, Bogaerts early promotion means he might not really come into his own until he’s into his arbitration years, and he’s close enough to free agency now that it might behoove him to just go year to year. If the power doesn’t come for a few more years, Bogaerts might not quite get to the star level he was projected for while he’s still under team control, so any team attempting to trade for him would probably be better off focusing on his short-term future than his long-term upside; he might not hit that kind of peak before free agency. Still, there aren’t many good shortstops in baseball right now, and there are even fewer who offer Bogaerts upside, so if the Red Sox did put him on the blocks, they’d have 29 teams lining up to check the price tag.


#32: Addison Russell, 2B, Chicago
Controlled Through: 2021
Guaranteed Dollars: None
2016 ZIPS WAR: +2.8
Five year ZIPS WAR: +22.0
Last Year: Unranked

Obviously, the fact that Russell was traded as part of a package a year ago — for 1 1/2 seasons of Jeff Samardzija and half a season of Jason Hammel — is going to make this ranking (and this whole series) somewhat controversial, no matter where I put Russell on the list. On the one hand, he was traded for the kinds of short-term upgrades that aren’t included in this series, so perhaps Russell is evidence that I’m overrating youth long-term value relative to short-term upgrades. On the other hand, it’s an n of 1, and the general consensus seems to be that the A’s shouldn’t have made that trade in the first place. Does the A’s decision a year ago mean that Russell doesn’t actually have this much trade value, or did the A’s overpay for Samardzija and Hammel last summer?

By putting Russell this high, I’m placing myself pretty firmly in the latter camp, and I bet if we could slip Billy Beane some truth serum, he’d say he’d like to have that one back. I might not be quite as high on Russell as ZIPS is — seriously, those are some bullish forecasts — but six years of a quality middle infielder with significant offensive potential is a scarce asset, and I’d bet the Cubs would demand a much larger haul to get him off their roster at this point. Even if Russell is more of a good player than a star in the making — his contact problems are legitimately concerning for a guy who isn’t likely to be a big time power hitter — he’s still a plenty valuable piece, especially with a few league minimum years still to come. And if he’s the potential superstar that ZIPS is forecasting, then this is too conservative a ranking, and Russell should actually be 10 or 20 spots higher.


#31: Corey Seager, SS, Los Angeles
Controlled Through: 2022*
Guaranteed Dollars: None
2016 ZIPS WAR: +3.1
Five year ZIPS WAR: +20.3
Last Year: Unranked

* This assumes the Dodgers hold Seager down until next May, pushing his free agent clock back a year. If they promote him later this summer and he sticks as their everyday shortstop heading into 2016, then he’d only be controlled through 2021.

The last of our trio of upside shortstops, you could realistically take any of the three and have a strong case, so there’s no real conviction here on Seager having a brighter future than Russell or Bogaerts. From discussions with people in the game, it feels like there’s more optimism that Seager can stick at shortstop than there was with Bogaerts, and there’s more confidence in his ability to hit than with Russell, so I’ll very lightly put my hat in for the guy who might be a hybrid of the last two, but if you prefer Bogaerts or Russell, I won’t put up a fight.

Regardless of where he ends up, though, Seager projects as a solid contributor, and his reduction in strikeout rates at higher levels this year portend quite well for his development. Even if he follows in his brother’s footsteps as a good-at-everything, great-at-nothing type, that’s still added up to a +4 WAR player for Kyle Seager, and scouts and the projections both suggest that Corey could be even better. While there isn’t as much short-term value here as there is with other players around this spot on the list, the allure of this kind of ceiling would likely command a fierce bidding war.

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Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.

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Robert Kral
11 years ago

Alright. I thought I had a chance with Yan Gomes ranked #41, but I doubt I finished ahead of Perez.

Carson – you think I’ll make the cut for 2016?

everdis0
11 years ago
Reply to  Robert Kral

If you aren’t a Red Sock, you aren’t going anywhere.

Eltorostrikesagain
11 years ago
Reply to  everdis0

especially with the white wash

Lukas
11 years ago

At this point, I’m assuming that Noah Syndergaard is not making the list (can’t see him higher than 30), and I have to quibble with your inclusion of a couple guys over him, most notably Carlos Martinez. Syndergaard has delivered more value in fewer innings this year, has a higher strikeout rate and lower walk rate, and isn’t benefiting from the inflated LOB% Martinez is getting (though some of that is attributable to Martinez’s high ground ball rate).

Thor is also younger by almost a year and has two extra years of team control, not to mention that he’s never exhibited the platoon issues Martinez has, though he’s seemed to correct them this year. If track record is an argument, I don’t see how Martinez’s history of mediocre relief work gives him any advantage.

Just my two cents.

ReuschelCakes
11 years ago
Reply to  Lukas

You seem to be arguing your assumption… which I would suggest you’ve made incorrectly.

Lukas
11 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

Oh, didn’t expect to see him that high. Guess I was wrong, apologies, and thanks for the reply.

Maniel Durphy
11 years ago
Reply to  Dave Cameron

nice. could we see 5 Mets SPs in the top 30?!

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  Maniel Durphy

Assuming Matz is #4 on your list (and I doubt he’d be top-30), who would you consider as your 5th?

Maniel Durphy
11 years ago
Reply to  Maniel Durphy

Wheeler.

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  Maniel Durphy

He wasn’t on last year’s list. I doubt he’d make it to top-30 a few months after undergoing TJ surgery. Maybe he would have made it if he was healthy this year, and lights out – but not after missing the year.

Bartolo Colon
11 years ago
Reply to  Maniel Durphy

You guys are all forgetting the Mets ace. You know, their Opening Day starter?

Jesse
11 years ago
Reply to  Maniel Durphy

let’s not thumb our noses at 3 mets starters in the top 30.

Maniel Durphy
11 years ago
Reply to  Maniel Durphy

Could be 5 in the top 50 next year… that is, if Harvey remains a Met next year.

Carlos Correa
11 years ago

Xandy, Addy, Corey… see you guys in a few days.

sheeks9
11 years ago
Reply to  Carlos Correa

Correa…..see you Friday

sheeks9
11 years ago
Reply to  Carlos Correa

Is there any place that I can find the 5 year zips projections?

brian
11 years ago
Reply to  sheeks9

I think you’d need to hijack Dan Szymborski’s computer.

John Mozeliak
11 years ago
Reply to  brian

Sorry, don’t have the password for that one.

Andy
11 years ago

Dave, I think you’re overstating Carrasco’s performance risk. He has been a DIPS megastud for a full season of starts now and his stuff backs it up completely. He has three 70 grade pitches that he commands well. The Depth Charts project him for 4.1 WAR/32 starts, which confirms him as one of the best present pitchers in baseball. With the lengthy team control, that should put him much higher in my opinion.

Kris
11 years ago
Reply to  Andy

and would disagree with Dave’s comment that he’s less valuable than his xFIP would suggest. Pretty sure teams would be able to notice of the defense he’s been playing in front of the last 2 years. Same for Kluber, who was severely underrated last year for this same reason.

Nick
11 years ago
Reply to  Andy

Agreed. I’d easily trade Felix and his contract for him tomorrow.

GMZ
11 years ago
Reply to  Nick

It’s easy to trade Felix. What the statistics don’t show is the impact on the franchise his trade would have. He puts people in the seats and probably will until he is done. If he embraces the fact that he can’t rely on physical gifts for much longer, he could do very well in the next 5-10 years.

Costanza
11 years ago
Reply to  GMZ

It’s been pretty clearly shown that players do not drive people to the ballpark once you account for their contribution to the teams winning percentage.

Dave T
11 years ago
Reply to  Andy

I think the issue with Carrasco is not so much the differential of his ERA vs. FIP/xFIP, but that he’s 28 with a short track record of performing well at the major league level.

Agree, though, that his contract situation is extremely team-friendly, even if his performance slips some from his current peripherals.

Nick
11 years ago
Reply to  Dave T

Yea but its not like any of these other guys, save Felix, have a long track record of performing well at the major league level.

vivalajeter
11 years ago

Dave referenced it, but King Felix’s 5-year Zips forecast looks awfully optimistic to me. Next year, at 30 years old, he’s projected for 5.6 WAR. Over the next 5 years, he’s projected to average 5.2 WAR? That seems like a very, very small drop-off.

Rob MooreMember since 2025
11 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

There is precedent for that kind of long career sustained success – i’m thinking of guys like Blyleven. Felix seems uniquely positioned to have that kind of career, as he’s already seen improvement and consistency with reduced velocity. I wouldn’t count on it, but it seems more likely with Felix that just about any other ace level pitcher currently active.

Andrew
11 years ago
Reply to  Rob Moore

This is a projection though. The five-year projections all look way too aggressive.

jdbolickMember since 2024
11 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

The five year forecasts are a bit mystifying, as they appear to have very little decline even into a player’s 30s. They certainly don’t come close to the annual half win decline people frequently use to judge free agent contracts.

Guest
11 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

Seconded.

Dave
11 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

Agreed. It also sounds like the 5-year projection assumes 5 years of good health with little if any time lost to injury. That’s aggressive for a median 5-year projection for any starting pitcher.

Logan DavisMember since 2017
11 years ago

The appearance of the Bogaerts / Russell / Seager trio has me pretty convinced that we won’t be seeing Brad Miller on this list, since he hasn’t shown up yet and I imagine you’d be hard pressed to include him ahead of them. I’m not shocked – while you’ve always been pro-Miller, that’s always been a pretty controversial opinion. Can you elaborate a bit on your reasoning there?

He hasn’t been Bogaerts’ or Russell’s equal with the glove, but he’s hit better than both of them (not just in the majors, but in the minors as well). He has one less year of control, I guess? And the scouts don’t like his glovework nearly as much as UZR/DRS do? A little less prospect pedigree? Still, a little hard to fathom that those three rank in the low 30s and Miller’s not even an honorable mention.

Kris
11 years ago
Reply to  Logan Davis

Miller is 25. The other 3 are 22, 21 and 21.

Logan DavisMember since 2017
11 years ago
Reply to  Kris

That would also do it.

Mike J.
11 years ago
Reply to  Logan Davis

Agree with Kris. Age difference, fewer years of team control, and of course, the pedigree.

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  Logan Davis

Isn’t he 3-4 years old then them as well? The others have a lot more room for growth.

Maniel Durphy
11 years ago
Reply to  Logan Davis

Brad Miller?!? wut? come on. this is not an all-UT player list…

Blinzler
11 years ago
Reply to  Logan Davis

I fail to see how he hits better then Bogaerts. Bogaerts is putting up a slightly better wRC+ this year Miller did in his first taste in the Majors, difference being Bogaerts still younger then Miller was back then.
While you can say Miller was hitting better then Bogaerts in the Minors, there, too, he was allways older compared to Bogaerts.
In short: Right now they’re on the same level, Miller with a slightly more pop, bogaerts with better contact skills.
Of course Miller still can make a jump in perfomance, much more likely is Bogaerts continues the progress he’s enjoying since the start of the season.

This progress is a reason for me being a little surprised by putting Seager and Russel ahead of him. OF course there are the plus years of control and the risk, Bogaerts doesn’t reach his peak before the new contract. Then again, the jump he made this year shouldn’t be expected to be automatic and Russel and Seager both have the risk to not even reach his current level of performance in the Majors.

Cool Lester Smooth
11 years ago
Reply to  Logan Davis

Xander’s three years younger, has been worth nearly a full win more this season, and offers much more projection.

Miller isn’t all that close to his level.

redsoxu571
11 years ago
Reply to  Logan Davis

You have to be careful with numbers sometimes. Miller hit better than Bogaerts in the minors? Hmm…well…

In AA, Bogaerts put up a .922 OPS (79 games) to trump Miller’s .886 OPS (a similar 82 games). Miller had a terrific time in AAA, but his 1.022 OPS only came in 26 games. In the PCL. Don’t overlook the importance of that last part.

Bogaerts’s .822 OPS in a better sampling (60 games) and in the IL balances out to very similar ML production when all is said and done. Certainly not clearly better in the favor of Miller.

Yanks23242
11 years ago
Reply to  redsoxu571

And that’s before you get to the age difference.

Mike
11 years ago

As a die-hard Braves fan who loves Freddie Freeman, I think he is a little too high on this list. Personal opinion, but I just don’t think it gives enough significance to position scarcity. In the last couple of years there has been a bumper crop of good first basemen. Right now Freeman would only represent a significant upgrade to about half of the teams in the league. He is a good piece for the Braves to build around because he is young, a fan favorite, and likely worth far more to the Braves than he would be to any other Team.

TKDC
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Is first base really that strong? I’ll grant that you’d have much fewer teams in if the Braves dangled Freeman than if a team dangled a top tier prospect, but win-now carries a huge bonus.

Mike J.
11 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Agree with TKDC … first base, particularly the landscape of young first basemen, doesn’t seem that strong. It wasn’t long ago that there were nearly ten first basemen any given year that struck you as near-perennial all stars. While the position still has star-power at the top, it’s not as deep as it used to be. And it doesn’t feel as though there are a lot of promising young first basemen. Fwiw, Jon Singleton the only first base prospect showing up the past couple years in popular top-100 lists of prospect rankings. Not much on the horizon in terms of good young first basemen. Helps keep Freeman’s stock afloat on this list.

Emcee Peepants
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike J.

That could also be because a lot of good 1B do not start off as 1B in the minors but are moved there b/c they can’t handle 3B, C, or corner OF spot defensively. Just looking at Baseball America’s top 50 midseason update, Gallo, Schwarber, Judge, Devers, and Dahl could easily end up at 1B eventually.

Matt
11 years ago
Reply to  TKDC

Players end up at 1B because the bat plays but the body won’t cut it elsewhere. It’s why we have to give E5 the new nickname of E3, I guess.

Emcee Peepants
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I think the problem is that because he is not flashy, people forget how good of a hitter he actually is. Since his first full season in 2011, he is 19th overall and 6th among 1B in wRC+ as a 21 through 25 year old. The only guys on the overall list that are above him that are younger are Harper, Stanton, Puig, and Trout and he is younger than all the 1B above him.

Matt
11 years ago
Reply to  Emcee Peepants

It’s easy to forget that Freeman still hasn’t turned 26 yet. He’s been around forever but he is just now coming into his prime years. And he is getting a buried a little in a year where some other 1B are having resurgent seasons also (Pujols, Fielder, even Miggy is bouncing back from a slightly down season).

dtpollittMember since 2016
11 years ago

Ventura’s injury risk and Carlos Zambrano-like hotheadedness have me convinced that he shouldn’t be on this list, but I dunno if those are factors in this list.

Compton
11 years ago
Reply to  dtpollitt

Well he did mention the injury risks:”But given Ventura’s size and a few elbow scares already…”

And unfortunately, we don’t have a hotheadedness statistic yet. It’s probably on the same level of importance as clubhouse leadership, charisma, angle of the tilt of his ballcap, and number of cats rescued from trees/100 tries.

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2026
11 years ago
Reply to  Compton

You’d be surprised how well Zambrano ranked saving cats from trees.

dom
11 years ago

Chris Davis lifted someone out of crashed car last year. Then got busted for Adderall. So clearly there is a predictive nature to saving things

Joe Delaney
11 years ago

Still too soon 🙁

dtpollittMember since 2016
11 years ago
Reply to  Compton

We do have a hotheadedness statistic, it’s call suspensions.

DanH
11 years ago

Harvey, Syndergaard and DeGrom – three Mets pitchers in the 30.

Baseball Anagram Values #40 - #31
11 years ago

Latest installment of Baseball Anagram Values on NotGraphs:

http://www.fangraphs.com/not/notgraphs-a-valedictory-statement/#comment-327358

Will
11 years ago

“Freddie Freeman = Deferred Famine”! +1

nick
11 years ago

#39: Carlos Carrasco = Ol’ Cars O’Cars Car

Oscar Azocar
11 years ago
Reply to  nick

lol

Xander Bogaerts
11 years ago

Sandbox Greater

Xander BogArts
11 years ago

And if his name were spelled the usual way, it would be “Sandbox Grater”

T
11 years ago

Great work so far Dave. Just a quick error I noticed: ” brother’s footsteps as a good-at-evertying” Thanks for all your hard work on this.

DBA455
11 years ago

Would it be possible to have the players’ names link through to their pages going forward?

Meat Cart
11 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

It’s really weird that something this obvious wasn’t already a part of the piece. Copy editors, guys!

jj
11 years ago
Reply to  Meat Cart

Also, while you are at it:

“and Wacha is legitimate only of the best young pitchers in the game”

should this say “and Wacha is legitimately one of the best young pitchers in the game”

ReuschelCakes
11 years ago
Reply to  Meat Cart

just think of these as hypo-links instead of hyper-links, where your lazy, ungrateful self is required to scroll up to the search bar or open a new window.

Mike
11 years ago
Reply to  Meat Cart

Several errors in yesterday’s post are still not fixed. So either Paul was lying in his chat when he said they had copy editors, or they have the single worst copy editor in the business.

Everyone
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Safe assumption is that Paul is lying. It still amazes me that this pathetic POS has a job here. Don’t believe any of the crap that this loser spouts. He makes the cupid stunt Wendy T almost look intelligient.

Aviato
11 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Thanks guys! You’re really bringing a lot to the conversation. Y’all are doing the interwebz proud!

I, for one, can’t wait for Fangraphs to hire an actual copy editor and pay for it by charging a subscription fee. I’d much rather pay than see the occasional grammatical mistake. The nerve of some people to provide free, conversation-generating baseball content without diligent copy editing……

Visitor
11 years ago
Reply to  DBA455

They did yesterday, so I’m betting that’s just a mistake rather than something that would need changing.

dom
11 years ago

I believe it’s been illustrated that there is a significant in-season markup for talent acquired on the trade market? And that would be for teams looking to acquire short term wins. Since this is a “trade value” series posted right around the trade deadline, I view it as what price teams would be willing to pay right now for these various players, and it seems you’re pretty significantly undervaluing short term wins relative to value being provided years down the road. Teams have displayed a willingness to overpay for current production and I don’t think enough credit is being given to players who find most of their value tied up in their ability to create wins in 2015.

It’s silly to argue about the ordering of #34 and #38 on any ordered list, but do you really think teams value the future cost/control of Perez more than the significant impact Felix Hernandez would have on 2015? I know it’s been said, but this really reads as a general “value” list rather than the trade value or price that teams would be willing to pay right now.

Yosted
11 years ago
Reply to  dom

As a quick overview for those who might be new to the series, here’s the basic concept: which players would bring the most return in trade if they were made available by their current clubs? To answer this question as best as we can, we not only look at a player’s performance — both now and in the future — but also the amount of years a team would be acquiring a player for, and how much that player would earn in salary before he could become a free agent. The most valuable assets in the game aren’t just great players, but they’re great players who aren’t getting paid like great players.

dom
11 years ago
Reply to  Yosted

I’m not new to the series I just feel like it was written for Tampa Bay the way it caters to bargains. Billy Beane himself vastly overpaid for in-season upgrades last year so it seems to me that elite 2015 performance could command a king’s ransom if put on the open market considering the number of contenders this year. We’re talking about King Felix vs a player who makes an out over 70% of the time.

As more and more money pours into baseball, the difference between a $25mm/yr player and a $5mm/yr one is less stark than it once was and the relative bargain is less valuable. Teams would empty farm systems for Hernandez, and I don’t think Perez would command as much. But that’s just like, my opinion man.

Yosted
11 years ago
Reply to  dom

Baseball teams have limited resources. Every team would love to have Mike Trout, but not all of them would love him at $50m/year.

Then you have Perez playing a difficult position, putting up nice 3-4 WAR seasons at a cost of $400,000/WAR. Felix is without a doubt elite, but you’re paying him for it.

Watto lotto
11 years ago
Reply to  dom

I agree with this sentiment. This list looks like how you would rank players in something like an expansion draft.

And I think the problem is conflating marginal and average cost. When one is building a team from scratch, you’d want to maximise your average $/war, and Perez looks great.

When one is looking to improve a team at the trade deadline, the value lies in elite players because that’s where you maximise your marginal war…. Picking up king felix at the trade deadline gives me multiple marginal war over whoever he replaces. Salvy is a bargain but he gives me what, one additional war?

Dave Stewart
11 years ago

I thought a player’s value is equal to his contract.

Marco
11 years ago

Love love LOVE the chart at the bottom of the articles.
Would be a welcome permanent addition to Fangraphs for every player.
And if you added in the year by year ZIPS projection to it?
Makes me weak at the knees and sets my heart all aflutter just thinking about it.

Jason Lukehart
11 years ago

This series is always one of my favorite parts of the All-Star break.

Seeing that trio of young shortstops at close to #30 makes me wonder why you see them as so much ahead of Francisco Lindor, who wasn’t even among yesterday’s also-rans. I know his offense doesn’t reach the same level, but his defense is elite. Do you not value the defense nearly as much, and/or do you think GMs don’t?

vivalajeter
11 years ago
Reply to  Jason Lukehart

GMs certainly don’t, as evidenced by the contracts given out. Elite bats make more than elite gloves.

Art Vandelay
11 years ago
Reply to  vivalajeter

relevant username

KMac
11 years ago

A firstbaseman due $120 million is one of the best 50 tradeable assets in the game?

I can pay him over $7 million per win or the next guy on the list $1.2 million per win? That’s not even the same list, much less two guys right next to each other.

Jonathan
11 years ago
Reply to  KMac

The market does not exist in a vacuum and you need 8 position players on the field, including a 1B. The list of 1B with Freeman’s offensive profile and Freeman’s incredibly cheap contract basically is slim.

The only 1B I could imagine arguing are more valuable in trade than Freeman are Rizzo and Goldschmidt.

Andrew
11 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

This list is done in a vacuum. You could say the same thing about any position and first base is the easiest to play.

Dave
11 years ago
Reply to  Jonathan

Abreu?

TR
11 years ago
Reply to  KMac

That’s also not really how it works

JorgeFabregas
11 years ago
Reply to  KMac

Price per win wouldn’t be the end-all of this list (projected surplus value more like), but first basemen have had a higher $/win value on the free agent market. This tracks with the recent studies that suggest that the positional adjustments in WAR are too big in this offensive environment.

jdbolickMember since 2024
11 years ago
Reply to  KMac
Ryan
11 years ago

The Yasmani Grandal omission–which is beginning to look pretty likely–is rather glaring. He still has 3 years of team control after 2015, and he offensively dwarfs the other catchers who have appeared on this list.
Last calendar year:
Yasmani: 264/380/483
Perez: 246/257/408
Gomes: 269/286/448

Art Vandelay
11 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

I’m pretty sure he’ll make the list.

AJ Preller
11 years ago
Reply to  Ryan

Yasmani Grandal can get you Matt Kemp. Since Kemp is guaranteed to make the top 30 Grandal should be just below him.

Capt. Clutch
11 years ago

I’m wondering why MLB players don’t holdout for a raise when they’re underpaid. If Altuve was in the NFL he would likely be threatening to miss training camp if he doesn’t get a raise. Is there something different about the CBA structure in baseball that causes this different attitude towards the permanence of a contract?

ShauncoreMember since 2019
11 years ago
Reply to  Capt. Clutch

It just isn’t set up that way. His contract is guaranteed. The NFL team can cut a player at any given moment and only having to pay him whatever has been guaranteed or whatever the bonus was. That’s why signing bonuses in the NFL are so big because the rest of the contract generally isn’t guaranteed.

If Altuve doesn’t report then he goes on the restricted or disqualified list, can’t play for any other team and gets paid nothing.

Capt. Clutch
11 years ago
Reply to  Shauncore

Got it. Thanks for clearing this up.

Brian
11 years ago
Reply to  Capt. Clutch

I think the fact that MLB contracts are guaranteed vs non-guaranteed football contracts is the likely culprit.

makeitrayn
11 years ago
Reply to  Capt. Clutch

Because baseball isn’t a fucking joke that continues to screw the players out of money under the guise of parity.

Marko
11 years ago
Reply to  makeitrayn

MLB and NFL players make roughly the same percentage of league revenue. Also, every dollar of a baseball contract can be non-guaranteed, and every dollar of a football contract can be guaranteed. Football just pays money via bigger bonuses to circumvent the salary cap.

Eric R
11 years ago
Reply to  Marko

“MLB and NFL players make roughly the same percentage of league revenue. ”

I think that only used to be true. The MLB players share has been dropping. I think NFL is around 50% and MLB is now close to 40%.

vecnyj
11 years ago
Reply to  Marko

Bonuses count against the cap. I think they’re averaged over the length of the deal.

Will Graham
11 years ago
Reply to  makeitrayn

Let’s ask the minor leaguers eating ramen noodles or McDonalds every night how they felt about that

makeitrayn
11 years ago
Reply to  Will Graham

Find one eating nothing but Ramen and Mcydys every night and I’ll ask him. Until then I’ll just assume you’ll remain ignorant.

ReuschelCakes
11 years ago
Reply to  Will Graham

makeitrayn: using technicalities and arguing fact against hyberbole to justify a position that is morally and ethically wrong is not a winning strategy…

but hey, I am sure that all of those men who play the sport you love in the minor leagues for a fraction of the wages you would deem livable TOTALLY agree with your position… y’know, you should find them though — until then, I’ll just assum that YOU SIR will remain ignorant.

MakeitRayn
11 years ago
Reply to  Will Graham

I read that dirk hayhurst article too. It was almost as shitty as his baseball career.

vecnyj
11 years ago
Reply to  Will Graham

The NFL equivalent is college football players, who make nothing officially and <$10K under the table even for stars.

Tove Lo
11 years ago

I’ll ship Brad Pitt some truth serum.

Brad Pitt
11 years ago
Reply to  Tove Lo

I still miss Jennifer Aniston!

JJ Watt
11 years ago
Reply to  Brad Pitt

She’s mine!

Swfcdan
11 years ago
Reply to  Tove Lo

Talking of truth serum…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24371140

It works people.

Bookbook
11 years ago

As has by now become crystal clear, Bryce Harper didn’t make your list. I can’t believe you left him off, Dave. Is it because his Babip keeps falling as he hits balls too hard? His slacking off on defense in some misguided attempt to stay on the field? His pitch-framing? What?

francis
11 years ago

Suggestion: put the ages of the players along with the other headline information.

20 WAR Gomes
11 years ago

So is Marcus Stroman still in consideration? I know he’s an injured pitcher, but it seems sensible to be more bullish on his ability to come back after a knee injury than it would an elbow or shoulder. Also, he’s the same age as Ventura, but his numbers blow Ventura’s out of the water.

I’m definitely curious of your thoughts on him, Dave.

Chris
11 years ago

Small typo in the list, but you have Freeman and Bogaerts both as ranked #24 last year. Bogaerts was ranked #23.

Chris
11 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Also, Felix was #19 last year, not 20.

HappyRecap
11 years ago

Since it seems like Travis d’Arnaud won’t make this list, would he have made it without the injuries this year?

Guest
11 years ago

According to the tables, over the next 4 years Jose Quintana projects to be worth exactly 3 WAR more than Carrasco (15.6 to 12.6) and cost just $3.75M above Carlos. So unless my math is way off, or wins are about to start costing a million bucks, it’s hard to see how Quintana doesn’t rate far above Carrasco.

I’ll say it again, Quintana IS Bumgarner, but on an even better contract.

jdbolickMember since 2024
11 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Presumably the rankings disparity derives from more belief that Carrasco might exceed his WAR expectation than Quintana. Basically, upside.

Guest
11 years ago
Reply to  jdbolick

You’re almost certainly right…but of course if that’s the logic it’s deeply flawed, because Carrasco doesn’t have anything approaching Q’s 2 1/2 year track record of seamless consistency, and therefore also has a lower downside, by far.

Let’s try this one: Felix Hernandez projects to be worth exactly 6 WAR more than Quintana over the next 4 years, at an additional cost of $72.25 million. So either one win is going to be worth more than $12M very soon, or, well, maybe King Felix has even more upside yet to come?

The frankly irrationally low ranking of Quintana now in back-to-back years belies a huge flaw in whatever methodology is being employed, in my opinion.

From 2013 when Quintana became a full-time MLB starter to this day, his fWAR performance is effectively identical to Madison Bumgarner’s. (Slight edge to Q, 10.5 to 10.2 WAR.) Or you can start in 2014, and it’s Quintana 7.2 versus Bumgarner’s 6.2. Or how about this year alone? Q 2.2, MadBum 2.1.

They’re 4-seam velocities are less than 1 MPH apart, and they were both born in 1989, and have both enjoyed terrific health. They are the same in all important respects.

But Quintana is cheaper by a chunk. Only a knucklehead like John Heyman should get caught valuing Bumgarner’s contract more highly. But it looks for all the world like Madison is going to be valued not merely above Quintana, but fairly far above. It’s a plain screwup.

Unless this entire ranking system is in fact all about public perception rather than real value. THAT would explain things.

Guest
11 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Sorry, meant to say “exposes” rather than “belies.” Measure twice, cut once. Sigh.

Other than that, though, the rant stands.

jdbolickMember since 2024
11 years ago
Reply to  Guest

You’re tainting some of your legitimate criticisms by cheerleading Quintana too strongly. fWAR is based on FIP, which annoys me because while FIP tries to eliminate luck on balls in play it completely ignores luck on home runs. The latter is the source of your consternation regarding Quintana and Bumgarner. By every objective measure except FIP, Bumgarner was the better pitcher last season, but Quintana earned 0.9 more fWAR because he was lucky to only allow 5.1% of his fly-balls to go for home runs (despite also having a lower IFFB% than Bumgarner).

Realistically, Quintana is a tier below Bumgarner as a starting pitcher and Bumgarner is a tier below Felix. Furthermore, cost per win is not actually linear, as it costs more for wins concentrated in one player than it does the same amount of wins spread out among several players. Essentially, you have to pay more to acquire or retain elite talent. Mr. Cameron argued – accurately in my opinion – that Quintana is not an elite talent, but rather a dependable and valuable middle of the rotation starter. He has considerable value to the White Sox, but do you have any doubt that Chicago would leap if the Mariners offered a straight-up swap for Felix or the Giants offered a straight-up swap for Bumgarner? I don’t, and I doubt that many of the analytically-inclined readers of this site would either. Quintana is very good and very valuable, but he’s not as good or valuable as his FIP-based fWAR in 2014 made him appear.

michael
11 years ago
Reply to  Guest

if this whole series was ZIPS WAR – contract cost it wouldn’t be an article it’d be a spreadsheet.

Though I do agree that Bumgarner is overrated. He’s like the 30th best starter in the MLB.

Nick
11 years ago

Hey Dave, great work. One question, why do you have the 3 young middle infielders ahead of Buxton? Is it the injury concern, or something else?

Kyle
11 years ago

“#36: Yordano Ventura, SP, Kansas City
Controlled Through: 2021
Guaranteed Dollars: $21.25 million
2016 ZIPS WAR: +3.1
Five year ZIPS WAR: +18.0
Last Year: #32”

I find these to be a little misleading. You say controlled through 2021, but guaranteed only $21.25M. That’s true, I guess, but it’s not representative of what’s actually happening. Really, he’s controlled through 2019 and guaranteed $21.25M, or he’s controlled through 2021 and guaranteed $44M.

I’ve just noticed it on a lot of the guys and it’s a little off in my mind, because saying he’s controlled for 6 years for $21.25M isn’t true. He’s guaranteed that for 4 years, so if you want to say he’s controlled for 6 years you should include the fact that he’d also be guaranteed $44M, which makes the contract look a little better to the player.

brian
11 years ago
Reply to  Kyle

He is controlled for 6 years. And he is guaranteed $21.25M. Both are true statements.

I’d be more open to your criticism if he didn’t explain this exact same thing in the two paragraphs about Ventura.

Unless he added it since your critique.

Kyle
11 years ago
Reply to  brian

I understand that, but listing them together is also disregarding pertinent information. It’s deceitful in a way.

Brian
11 years ago
Reply to  Kyle

Perhaps slightly misleading, not deceitful. Which is completely rectified by discussing it in the paragraphs about the player if you’d bother to read them. So not really deceitful at all.

anon
11 years ago

How do players like Russell get projected for +5 WAR without having any discount/volatility factored in? Otherwise, the top 20 prospects in baseball as of pre-season should be on this list. The fact that he is more likely to not receive another pa after this season (if he were to go on a cold streak and make a below-average line terrible) makes him significantly more risky than most other players in MLB. Young/cheap top-prospects are so overvalued right now! There’s so many young/cheap players without the pedigree that have nearly similar long-term results (admittedly, without the Trout/Harper-like upside).

brian
11 years ago
Reply to  anon

I’m pretty sure the answer is there that volatility and risk is factored into the projection.

Dave T
11 years ago

I always enjoy this trade value series.

I am a little surprised to see Wacha this high – and I say that as a Cardinals fan – due to his shoulder issue. It’s not so much that it’s an injury, but that my understanding is that it’s a very unusual injury.

From what I’ve read, there are only a handful of other documented cases of this scapular stress injury, with Brandon McCarthy being the one example of a pitcher who managed to continue his career after this injury (which occurred in 2007 for McCarthy). So my thinking is that teams would be very cautious about trading for Wacha, because he’s pitched for less than one season after an injury that teams don’t really know how to evaluate. I think Wacha’s specific injury history therefore pushes him farther down the list.

soaktherich
11 years ago

“… if the Red Sox did put [Bogaerts] on the blocks…” is a very unfortunate choice of metaphor. Maybe we should just retire that one altogether.

Paul
11 years ago

If you really gave Beane that truth serum, he’d be laughing and saying that’s why you are at Fangraphs and I’m headed to Cooperstown one day.. Phegley, Bassitt and Semien are doing quite nicely, thank you, compared to Russell’s pedantic rookie numbers. Of course the latter could easily become All-Star quality, but Beane flipped the Shark for more than Russell would have gotten to begin with.

jdbolickMember since 2024
11 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Beane flipped the Shark for more than Russell would have gotten to begin with.

To quote Rick James, “that is absurd.