2016 World Series Game 1 Live Blog
| 7:59 |
: Welcome to the World Series!
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| 7:59 |
: This should be a fun series.
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| 7:59 |
: Let’s start with a poll.
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| 8:00 |
:
World Champion?
Cubs in 4 (0.9% | 2 votes)
Cubs in 5 (21.2% | 46 votes)
Cubs in 6 (34.2% | 74 votes)
Cubs in 7 (7.8% | 17 votes)
Indians in 4 (0% | 0 votes)
Indians in 5 (3.7% | 8 votes)
Indians in 6 (20.8% | 45 votes)
Indians in 7 (11.1% | 24 votes)
Total Votes: 216
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| 8:01 |
: I love that they used the Imperial March when the Cubs came in. Because when I think of evil baseball empires, the Cubs are the first team that comes to mind.
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| 8:01 |
: When napoli got announced it felt like it was about the 6th time he was in the world series… turns out its only 3 but with 3 different teams so still impressive
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| 8:01 |
: So this might actually be the first WS game that I’ve watched. It is at least the first one in 15+ years. It might have something to do with growing up in the dark ages of the O’s and not really caring about post season baseball as a kid.
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| 8:02 |
: Hi everyone! Be right there.
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| 8:03 |
: Great, so half of those sweet old people will be profoundly disappointed in the outcome and probably die soon thereafter.
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| 8:03 |
: How excited are you to see Kyle Schwarber tonight?
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| 8:03 |
: One of the more fun parts of the series.
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| 8:04 |
: Jon Lester is “the hottest pitcher in baseball”, because Andrew Miller doesn’t exist, apparently.
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| 8:04 |
: Is there much of a precedent for Schwarber’s situation? At least with any success?
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| 8:04 |
: Nope! That’s why it’s fun.
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| 8:04 |
: This is gonna be really really fun. I’m cheering for Chicago, but there is really no losers in this series. Baseball! Love it!
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| 8:05 |
: Cubs fan here, was not expecting it but actually got chills watching Schwarber come out during intros
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| 8:05 |
: I like how we’re all friendly right now. It’s a nice feeling that I expect will last approximately 5 minutes into the game.
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| 8:06 |
: Yea I’m a Cubs fan, but Cleveland is a likable team. Gonna be fins as hell.
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| 8:06 |
: Expected MVP of the series for both sides and darkhorse sleeper on both sides? I am guessing Miller or Bryant and Kluber or Zobrist.
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| 8:06 |
: If Indians win, it’s probably because their offense goes nuts, so I’ll go Lindor or Santana with Cleveland. If the Cubs win, it’s probably going to be a pitcher; I’ll go with Hendricks.
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| 8:07 |
: BTW, hi Bork.
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| 8:07 |
: Which starter gets more K’s? Who lasts longer?
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| 8:07 |
: Kluber more Ks, Lester goes deeper, because Andrew Miller isn’t lurking behind him.
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| 8:07 |
: Thoughts on Coghlan getting the start? Didn’t expect that one.
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| 8:07 |
| 8:08 |
: Will Carson be doing any of these? Is it in his contract that he only gets to talk tangentially about baseball?
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| 8:08 |
: Sunday! Eric and Carson are doing game five.
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| 8:08 |
: Andrew Miller gets used just as aggressively down 1 or 2 runs, right?
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| 8:08 |
: Yep, score doesn’t really matter.
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| 8:09 |
: As long as its close-ish.
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| 8:09 |
: I agree that Coghlan starting is super weird.
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| 8:09 |
: Though I’m biased in that I don’t like Coghlan since he likes to take the knees out from under Asian ballplayers.
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| 8:10 |
: For the record, I say Cubs in 6, but I want it to be Indians in 7.
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| 8:10 |
: Not ready to let go of this season!
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| 8:11 |
: Also, for those who haven’t live blogged with us before, this is less like a chat than the weekday Q&As we do, so don’t get mad if we don’t publish your question.
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| 8:11 |
: Does Bryant normally bat 2nd?
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| 8:11 |
: We’ll definitely publish your comments, but this isn’t a strict Q&A.
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| 8:11 |
: Joe Buck said something about the dwindling amount of #1 starters in baseball over the years…that doesn’t actually make numeric sense
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| 8:11 |
: It’s also just wrong, even the way he defines it.
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| 8:11 |
: Baseball is full of dominant starting pitchers right now.
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| 8:12 |
: My favorite pages on B-Ref are the Batting Order and Defensive Lineup pages. If you go to the Cubs’ page, you can see that Bryant hit second in the lineup from roughly July on. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2016-batting-orders.shtml
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| 8:12 |
: “Circumstances” strike again!
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| 8:12 |
: Bryant’s stance hurts my knees.
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| 8:13 |
: and kluber sitting 95 on the sinker. adrenaline is pumping
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| 8:14 |
: WHY COGHLAN? WHY? DID JOEY M LIKE MIKE MATHENY GET AT THE LINEUP CARD OR SOMETHING?
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| 8:14 |
: Oh man, Bryant was halfway to first.
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| 8:14 |
: That’s not a strike.
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| 8:15 |
: Guess that half of the plate is a little larger than most nights.
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| 8:15 |
: We don’t have audio on the replay, but it seems as though the ump waited until Bryant started running before he made the call.
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| 8:15 |
: Late strikeout calls piss me off for some reason
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| 8:15 |
: Good framing might be my new favourite thing to watch
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| 8:15 |
: Speaking of umpires, we’re going to have a fun piece on the men in blue on Friday from Jon Roegele up at THT.
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| 8:15 |
: Not every bad call is good framing.
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| 8:16 |
: Is Rizzo always eating up half the plate with his body?
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| 8:16 |
: Yes.
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| 8:17 |
: there was a good article on here a yearish ago about how rizzo had been hit by several pitches in the strike zone
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| 8:17 |
: Pretty clearly outside. Which starter would benefit more from an expanded zone?
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| 8:17 |
: Probably Kluber. Lester has better command.
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| 8:17 |
: Watching the replay again, I don’t think it was the framing. Perez pulls the ball up, but that doesn’t account for the fact that it was outside.
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| 8:17 |
: Just a bad call IMO
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| 8:18 |
: I miss the TBS strike zone on every pitch
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| 8:19 |
: Yeah, I am now used to having a live strike zone graphic of some sort. It’s unnerving to not have it on these FOX games.
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| 8:19 |
: We see our first Cleveland steal attempt in the ____ inning.
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| 8:19 |
: 1st.
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| 8:19 |
: It’s nice that they use it on replays, but…
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| 8:19 |
: Is this the Cistulli French soccer league chat?
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| 8:19 |
: Yes.
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| 8:19 |
: Ump is miked up, loudly.
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| 8:19 |
: 34% call same
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| 8:20 |
: Any evidence that umps are more or less likely to call a strike when players do that?
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| 8:20 |
: Damn Lester looks sharp.
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| 8:20 |
: Not that I know of. That’d be hard to account for. Maybe Statcast can do it.
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| 8:20 |
: Probably because of Arrieta’s breakout and Hendricks ERA this year, he’s become wildly underrated.
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| 8:21 |
: Little known fact: Francona has 2-3 sunflower seeds entering AND exiting his mouth at all times and gum
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| 8:21 |
: Looks like it’s gonna b a fast, low-scoring game. Thoughts?
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| 8:22 |
: I would bet the whole series will be. It’s cold, and these pitchers are all going to be good.
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| 8:22 |
: Lindor going on first pitch?
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| 8:22 |
: Alright, here we go stolen base/Taco Bell fans!
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| 8:22 |
: I want my free taco.
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| 8:22 |
: He’ll go.
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| 8:22 |
: STEAL. ON. THE. FIRST. PITCH. STEAL. ON. THE. FIRST. PITCH.
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| 8:22 |
: The odds of NOT getting a free taco are astronomical
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| 8:23 |
: TACO TACO TACO
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| 8:23 |
: Tacos for everyone!
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| 8:23 |
: I want my taco!!
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| 8:23 |
: I need free food
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| 8:23 |
: Canada doesn’t get free tacos 🙁
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| 8:23 |
: Get it together, Canada!
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| 8:23 |
: TACO!!!!1
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| 8:23 |
: Does canada get free poutine?
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| 8:23 |
: one
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| 8:23 |
: Does Lester have to pay for the tacos?
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| 8:23 |
: I clapped the same way Lindor did when he got to second base, what do I win?
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| 8:24 |
: How much productivity is lost tomorrow because everyone is having diarrhea from the free taco?
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| 8:24 |
: Would you try and steal third?
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| 8:24 |
: No real benefit with two outs.
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| 8:24 |
: That only happens the first or second time you eat Taco Bell. After that you develop an immunity.
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| 8:25 |
: But less than two outs you generally would?
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| 8:25 |
: Yeah, probably. Getting to third with one out means you can score on an out.
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| 8:25 |
: Did everyone see the stat that David Ross is now both the second-oldest (2016) and seventh-oldest (2013) to start a World Series game? (it might have been be on a World Series roster)
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| 8:25 |
: Would Napoli run on Lester? Because I wanna see Napoli run.
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| 8:26 |
: The only real benefit to going now is to get in Lester’s head, and I think he proved he’s beyond that against LA, despite what Smoltz is saying.
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| 8:26 |
: Is Swydan an Indians fan?
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| 8:26 |
: I’m rooting for them more in this series because A) I love Terry Francona and B) I can’t stand Joe Maddon and his Chris Coghlan-esque decisions.
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| 8:27 |
: Well to be fair Tito is starting Chisenhall against an LHP, which is just as bad.
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| 8:27 |
: That is fair.
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| 8:27 |
: Dave, has anyone accused you of having a Jon Lester bias because you’re both cancer survivors?
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| 8:28 |
: Most people who accuse me of having a bias wish I wasn’t a survivor.
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| 8:28 |
: How many runs do the Indians need this inning to have Lester pulled before 3 outs
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| 8:28 |
: 6
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| 8:28 |
: This is definitely not how I saw this first inning going.
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| 8:29 |
: That was a not a fun response to the cancer survivor question. Gosh.
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| 8:29 |
: Dave said it with a smile on his face, I assure you.
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| 8:29 |
: Well that’s a fun RBI.
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| 8:29 |
: BABIP GODS HAVE SPOKEN
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| 8:29 |
: sqib
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| 8:29 |
: Wow
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| 8:29 |
: I hate Maddons smug face.
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| 8:29 |
: Welp
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| 8:29 |
: come on
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| 8:30 |
: Curse of the BABIP goat
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| 8:30 |
: warm up miller
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| 8:30 |
: Walks will kill you.
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| 8:30 |
: Judging by my reaction to that hit, I’m rooting for the Indians
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| 8:30 |
: Did the mlb pass a rule that said 75% of players need to have that new Mohawk haircut?
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| 8:31 |
: And neck tattoos.
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| 8:31 |
: It’s OK to root for Cleveland. If you judge this by the CITY’S sports championships, Cleveland is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY behind Chicago.
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| 8:31 |
: Remember when I said Lester had better command than Kluber?
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| 8:31 |
: LOL
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| 8:31 |
: % Guyer gets HBP?
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| 8:31 |
: I WAS RIGHT!
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| 8:32 |
: MOST HBPs of ANYBODY ALL SEASON
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| 8:32 |
: and you thought rizzo stands close to the plate
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| 8:32 |
: Guyer getting hit is so perfect
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| 8:33 |
: Let’s say Lester gets out of this, but loads the bases again next inning: do you bring in Chapman?
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| 8:33 |
: Chapman is much better with the bases empty.
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| 8:33 |
: Lester only hit 6 guys this year, but oddly 2 of them came in his last 3 starts of the regular season. Not predictive or anything, but I do find it interesting.
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| 8:33 |
: So no.
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| 8:34 |
: Grandpa!
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| 8:34 |
: Ross using that old man dadbod to make the catch
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| 8:34 |
: Ross is like three years older than me.
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| 8:34 |
: That’s the kind of catch you make when you’re not worried about playing next season.
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| 8:34 |
: Dave using that old man dadbod to make the chat.
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| 8:35 |
: Old man Dave! Old man Dave!
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| 8:35 |
: Ross will now be getting a neck tattoo of the protective netting
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| 8:35 |
: O/U on Andrew Miller IP in this series? I’d take the over on 14 if we assume 7 games.
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| 8:35 |
: I’d probably go under 14. I’d put it at more like 10.
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| 8:36 |
: It is Miller time right?
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| 8:36 |
: They can’t really afford to be too aggressive with Miller today, given that Kluber is only starter who can go deep.
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| 8:36 |
: If you go Miller early today, bullpen could be whipped by game four.
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| 8:37 |
: No one has sufficiently explained to me why Rajai Davis is hitting leadoff for a World Series team.
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| 8:37 |
: Indians don’t have good RH OFs.
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| 8:37 |
: For the record, the Cubs pitchers who inherited the most runners this season were Travis Wood, Justin Grimm and Carl Edwards, so you’d have to think they’d be on the short list to come in if Lester gets in trouble again. Montgomery also, who wouldn’t show up in a list like that since he wasn’t on the team the whole year.
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| 8:38 |
: I’m a little giddy for Schwarber’s AB
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| 8:38 |
: Schwarber homers here, right?
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| 8:38 |
: Here we go.
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| 8:38 |
: Also for his career, Rajai Davis is much better against lefties.
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| 8:38 |
: Schwarber already looks out of breath.
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| 8:39 |
: He’s the story of the World Series?????
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| 8:39 |
: One of them, at least.
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| 8:39 |
: This is super interesting!
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| 8:39 |
: Schwarber better hit a HR cause he aint making it to first.
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| 8:39 |
: His back pocket is untucked.
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| 8:39 |
: Honestly, I saw much more media coverage of Schwarber than Kluber, Lester, Lindor, Arrieta, Rizzo, or anyone else–he really is the biggest story, at least so far.
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| 8:39 |
: That swing was… not close.
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| 8:40 |
: I love that Theo sits down in the stands on the road
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| 8:40 |
: Me too. Hoyer was right next to him too. And Macleod is often with them as well.
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| 8:40 |
: Schwarber has 5 more plate appearances this year than Raul Mondesi Jr. had before last year’s Series
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| 8:41 |
: “He was running without any discomfort”, well without anymore discomfort than when he normally runs
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| 8:41 |
: That’s only if you ignore the minors.
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| 8:41 |
: Mondesi played the whole year, just not in the big leagues.
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| 8:41 |
: Aw man
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| 8:41 |
: He looked kinda bad
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| 8:41 |
: he didn’t look awful
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| 8:42 |
: Come to a consensus, you two!
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| 8:42 |
: (I don’t think it’s possible for us to not think a player looks bad while striking out, generally)
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| 8:42 |
: He looked average
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| 8:42 |
: Swing didn’t look great, but the plate discipline looked OK.
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| 8:42 |
: I would bet the exact same swing would have “looked better” if it had made contact.
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| 8:43 |
: Our ability to discern good or bad swing is almost entirely determined by the result.
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| 8:43 |
: Yeah, definitely.
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| 8:43 |
: Corey Kluber > anonymous pitching machine
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| 8:43 |
: Big, if true.
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| 8:44 |
: Are we worried that his swing’s not there, or that his timing/recognition are off?
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| 8:44 |
: The latter
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| 8:44 |
: They should make life model decoy pitching machines, like ones that can turn into having Corey Klubers or Roger Clemens or Randy Johnson’s repertoire, just like the training robots in Ultimate Spider-Man.
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| 8:44 |
: Sorry, we watch a lot of Ultimate Spider-Man in my house.
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| 8:45 |
: That two-seam is nasty.
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| 8:45 |
: Baez dude… right there
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| 8:45 |
: That was a painted corner.
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| 8:45 |
: But Joe Buck said it was down the middle
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| 8:45 |
: Don’t listen to Joe Buck.
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| 8:46 |
: How does Joe West keep on getting to work the World Series?
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| 8:46 |
: do I just press a button for another announcer?
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| 8:46 |
: Well you can hear his words without giving them credibility
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| 8:46 |
: Canada gets to hear Matt Vasgersian and Buck Martinez
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| 8:47 |
: Chris Coghlan hasn’t had a hit in almost a month – Sept. 27.
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| 8:47 |
: You can always go SAP and have no idea what they’re talking about
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| 8:47 |
: To be fair, the camera angle is pretty bad
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| 8:47 |
: I’d rather have Vasgersian than a taco…
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| 8:47 |
: No way, I’ll take the taco.
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| 8:48 |
: The Spanish announcers are fun even if you don’t speak Spanish. Great enthusiasm.
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| 8:48 |
: That two-seamer.
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| 8:48 |
: So nasty.
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| 8:48 |
: This is delightful.
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| 8:48 |
: Kluber is good. Coghlan is not.
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| 8:48 |
: Ump rubbed some funk on that strike 3 call.
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| 8:49 |
: David Ross is gonna be a gym teacher next year.
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| 8:49 |
: You say that like it’s a bad thing.
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| 8:49 |
: I learned yesterday that Alan Embree is coaching one of the local high school teams here in Bend.
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| 8:49 |
: No way!
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| 8:50 |
: My pants are shrinking.
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| 8:50 |
: It’s not your pants.
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| 8:50 |
: Does he coach with a mouthful of chaw like the old days?
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| 8:50 |
: That was my first thought as well, JC!
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| 8:50 |
: I’ll report back in the spring.
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| 8:50 |
: Can I pause this chat like 15 seconds? Streaming on Fox Sports Go and this chat is basically a rolling spoiler alert.
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| 8:50 |
: Sorry.
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| 8:51 |
: Listening to Joe Buck is a Godsend when you’re stuck with Chip Carey and Joe Simpson every day
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| 8:51 |
: Perspective.
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| 8:51 |
: Spent two nights in Golden, Colorado on my cross country drive. The river there they brag about is really nothing to write home about.
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| 8:51 |
: It’s a creek.
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| 8:51 |
: I’m watching on my television. Thanks to Comcast, I’m about 30 seconds behind, Dock.
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| 8:51 |
: same here, Doc. I’ve been looking away from the chat and catching up between hitters.
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| 8:51 |
: Yeah I’m on the 15 second delay too and I’m watching on actual TV. It’s brutal.
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| 8:52 |
: Sorry all! We’ll try to slow down our reactions a little bit.
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| 8:52 |
: I really want Chris Archer for some broadcasting
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| 8:52 |
: Dream team of Archer and Arod
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| 8:52 |
: An animated movie starring John Jaso?? Can’t wait til it comes out!
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| 8:52 |
: I feel like Chris Archer and Marcus Stroman would be an amazing broadcasting duo.
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| 8:53 |
: Ouch. I do want to see that movie though.
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| 8:53 |
: Biggio coaches high school in houston. My cousin had him.
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| 8:53 |
: Just going from my eyeballs, it looks like that two steamer has more bite than I have ever seen from Kluber. (CLE fan)
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| 8:54 |
: Paul there are actually pitching machines that simulate the timing by projecting a pitcherhttps://youtu.be/ZnGTeNmKOlA
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| 8:54 |
: I’ve hit off of those before, there’s one at Coors Field. I meant more the repertoire of each pitcher. That’d be so cool.
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| 8:55 |
: Lester throws to first!
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| 8:55 |
: Sorta.
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| 8:55 |
: Kick save and a beaut
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| 8:55 |
: Good way to break those small bones in your foot
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| 8:55 |
: Say Cleveland gets a 6 run lead this inning – are you yanking Kluber?
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| 8:56 |
: This strike zone
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| 8:56 |
: No, if they get a six-run lead, Kluber is pitching a complete game and saving the whole bullpen for the Bauer experience in Game 2.
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| 8:56 |
: Whenever I see a “Shoulder Closed” sign while driving, I think of Jason Kipnis.
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| 8:57 |
: Bullpen might pitch more than half the innings in games 2-4
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| 8:57 |
: I’d say it’s a good bet.
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| 8:57 |
: Def a good bet, especially if Bauer starts bleeding again.
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| 8:57 |
: Even Baez’s mistakes are thrilling
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| 8:57 |
: the fox nfl music is totally inappropriate for the deliberate majesty of baseball!!!!
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| 8:58 |
: You know, I never thought about that much, because I DO like that song, but it would have been nice if they could have created at least a remix for baseball and/or other sports they televise.
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| 8:58 |
: why is trevor bauer bad at pitching? It really seems like he shouldnt be
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| 8:58 |
: Command is important.
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| 8:58 |
: Buck names Kipnis as “heart and soul”? I’d have bet on Napoli for that Buck honor.
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| 8:58 |
:
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| 8:58 |
: Well it has to be a white guy.
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| 8:59 |
: Yeah heaven forbid it be Lindor. Or Fowler on the Cubs.
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| 8:59 |
: He’s a white second baseman. Every white second baseman is the heart and soul
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| 8:59 |
: “Heart and soul” is usually a catcher. Napoli at least is an ex-catcher.
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| 8:59 |
: Would you say command is most important?
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| 9:00 |
: Well there’s a minimum threshold for stuff. Jared Weaver’s command didn’t do him any good this year.
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| 9:00 |
: Great move by Tito slotting Kluber for games 1, 4, and 7. An extra start by the guy whoy far their best starter, and game 4 is super pivotal since 75% of time the series is 2 games to 1.
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| 9:00 |
: Isn’t Salazar pitching Game 4?
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| 9:00 |
: Cleveland fans don’t need a reminder about the browns
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| 9:01 |
: Fowler is totally the heart and soul
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| 9:01 |
: Im sure hes pretty tall but dexter fowler looks extra tall today
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| 9:01 |
: Kluber is good.
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| 9:01 |
: 5 strikeouts looking
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| 9:01 |
: can they at least attempt to swing?
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| 9:01 |
: Fowler is definitely extra tall. And, he’s also super ripped. That surprised me the first time I interviewed him, because he’s so skinny and wears his uniform a little baggy, so you don’t think of him as ripped. Or, at least I didn’t.
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| 9:02 |
: $10 says Buck names Ross as heart-and-soul before the series is over.
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| 9:02 |
: Maybe Kluber thinks he can finally get his 20-strikeout game if it’s in the World Series?
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| 9:02 |
: Does Joe Buck not realize that the team Bernie Kosar played for relocated to Baltimore?
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| 9:03 |
: I believe that when the Browns came back they were granted the old Cleveland Browns’ history.
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| 9:03 |
: This is not quite how I expected this game to go so far
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| 9:03 |
: Biggest baseball pet peeve: when we dig out obnoxious stats so we can have a “first”. First time two 22-year-olds start at SS in the WS.
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| 9:03 |
: That is the first time Nate has complained about something in a live blog.
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| 9:03 |
: If the Indians rebranded as the spiders would anyone really care after the first season?
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| 9:04 |
: DADBOD
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| 9:04 |
: Grandpa!
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| 9:04 |
: FOREVER YOUNG
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| 9:04 |
: My wife would never support a team called the spiders
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| 9:04 |
: Honestly the Spiders sounds like a minor league team name
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| 9:04 |
: No. My pick was to name it after Bob Feller though. Cleveland Heaters is an awesome name IMO. http://www.hardballtimes.com/naps-kings-hammers-and-other-fellers/
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| 9:05 |
: Oh my god that pitch
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| 9:05 |
: So pretty.
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| 9:05 |
: God damn Kluber
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| 9:05 |
: What was that movement. Just stupid
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| 9:05 |
: none chance
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| 9:06 |
: Dex cannot see that two seamer
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| 9:06 |
: Kluber rocks
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| 9:06 |
: Nobody can see that two seamer
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| 9:06 |
: every time i blink it’s 0-2, 1-2. Kluber is pounding.
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| 9:06 |
: Heaters would lead to too many Steamers jokes.
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| 9:06 |
: This absolutely reminds me of Maddux. I can’t count how many times in the 90s I’d see a lefty bail out of the way of a pitch that caught the inside corner.
|
| 9:06 |
: Seems like every pitch starts off the plate and ends up a strike
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| 9:07 |
: Feel like that’s still an upgrade over racist jokes though…
|
| 9:08 |
: Kris Bryant is in a full squat batting stance
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| 9:08 |
: As a Cubs fan, Kluber reminds me of Kyle Hendricks but with 5-7 MPH of added velocity
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| 9:08 |
: Indians fans from the 1995 World Series are having flashbacks to being dominated by the Maddux two-seamer.
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| 9:08 |
: This is sick.
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| 9:08 |
: this is ridiculous
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| 9:08 |
: he’s just toying with them!
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| 9:08 |
: Kluber is lord
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| 9:08 |
: wow
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| 9:08 |
: How’s that for a “first”, Nate?
|
| 9:08 |
: WOOO!
|
| 9:08 |
: So filthy.
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| 9:09 |
: CKS gaining a lot of members tonight
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| 9:09 |
: Klubers good. He doesn’t have a fan club on this site for no reason.
|
| 9:09 |
: “this commercial free break is brought to you by T Mobile” ah the irony
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| 9:09 |
: I HATE this mid-inning cut back to the studio guys btw.
|
| 9:10 |
: They did this during Red Sox games this year, but in the middle of the 5th.
|
| 9:10 |
: I wish there was a fangraphsTV
|
| 9:10 |
: No you don’t.
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| 9:10 |
: Frank Thomas’ shoulders have to be four feet across
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| 9:10 |
: fangraphsTV should just be a camera in Sullivans house
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| 9:10 |
: That’s creepy.
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| 9:11 |
: I do too! The MLB guys had a better version of what we would do though when they had Petriello and Leitch and those guys on. They did a really good job with it.
|
| 9:11 |
: Also yeah, that’s creepy. Come on Bork, you’re better than that.
|
| 9:11 |
: i would watch fangraphs tv if it was carson cistulli trying to announce this game
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| 9:11 |
: I’d pay a great deal of money for Carson to be in a broadcast booth
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| 9:12 |
: Carson is probably apoplectic because of Kluber right now. (This is assuming he’s aware of and watching the game.)
|
| 9:12 |
: Me too. Carson would be/is great.
|
| 9:12 |
: halfway through the game Carson would probably say “i’ve fulfilled my obligation” and bounce
|
| 9:13 |
: Mickey Callaway is hot BTW
|
| 9:13 |
: Carson in a three man booth just doing his own thing while Dave and Eno broadcast would be absolute gold
|
| 9:13 |
: I’m not sure putting Dave and Eno in the same room for 3 hours a night would be a good idea.
|
| 9:13 |
: Actual question asked on a broadcast: “It’s nice to have (Andrew Miller), isn’t it?”
|
| 9:14 |
: why is he not going? make him throw you out at least once
|
| 9:14 |
: Shouldn’t London be running?
|
| 9:14 |
: Auto correct!
|
| 9:14 |
: Could you legally broadcast audio of you calling the game without getting MLB permission?
|
| 9:14 |
: No.
|
| 9:14 |
: Carson and Dayn Perry booth would be ideal
|
| 9:15 |
: Hah
|
| 9:15 |
: LOL IT HAPPENED
|
| 9:15 |
: Lester can’t throw! Oh my lord that’s lame
|
| 9:15 |
: Hilarious
|
| 9:15 |
: It literally does not matter what lindor does
|
| 9:15 |
: How can he just not throw over?
|
| 9:15 |
: WHAT! he literally won’t throw hahaha
|
| 9:15 |
: Wow. Had him dead to rights.
|
| 9:15 |
: Oh my god
|
| 9:16 |
: Why didnt he run at him
|
| 9:16 |
: He should have just gone
|
| 9:16 |
: What a throw.
|
| 9:16 |
: Not nearly a good enough jump for knowing that he won’t throw to first.
|
| 9:16 |
: GRANDPA
|
| 9:16 |
: What a tag
|
| 9:16 |
: Ah the throw and the tag. I’m in love.
|
| 9:16 |
: cue the tag talk
|
| 9:16 |
: That young Baez tag
|
| 9:17 |
: Oh, did the tag miss him?
|
| 9:17 |
: HE MISSED HIM
|
| 9:17 |
: Baez didn’t even look
|
| 9:17 |
: Didn’t touch him
|
| 9:17 |
: Baez tagged the dirt which tagged Lindor.
|
| 9:18 |
: Anyone catch the very audible “god damn it!” coming from the dugout?
|
| 9:18 |
: According to PITCHf/x, Lester has no case.
|
| 9:18 |
: He mighta scraped him. The Indians prob figured there wasn’t enough evidence to overturn it.
|
| 9:19 |
: why didnt he get off farther?
|
| 9:19 |
: Yeah, they just aren’t getting big enough leads.
|
| 9:19 |
: watched Lester for years now… not a good sign for him when he gets hot.
|
| 9:19 |
: There’s no reason to stay close after what we just saw.
|
| 9:20 |
: They should be halfway up to second as a lead
|
| 9:20 |
: At some point, he can run at you and then shovel it pass it.
|
| 9:20 |
: But yeah, you have to take bigger leads.
|
| 9:20 |
: I think it’s probably more just muscle memory/programming and/or not wanting to get caught by a back pick. But if you know you’re running, then yeah.
|
| 9:21 |
: Ruh-Roh
|
| 9:21 |
: Oh boy
|
| 9:21 |
: Who wrote the article about how runners could take bigger leads but won’t cause it’s so odd?
|
| 9:21 |
:
|
| 9:21 |
: That’s not good
|
| 9:21 |
: World series… you think one could hydrate properly…
|
| 9:22 |
: It’s the 50 degree Cleveland heat that got to him
|
| 9:22 |
: Orange slices! Get the orange slices!
|
| 9:22 |
: This is weird
|
| 9:22 |
: Is there like a time limit and then you have to remove someone? How does this work?
|
| 9:22 |
: This can’t seriously be allowed. He should be pulled.
|
| 9:22 |
: Realistically, how long can they wait for him?
|
| 9:23 |
: I’m sorry but it’s kind of funny that they’re feeding a grown man in the outfield
|
| 9:23 |
: Cold weather always made cramps more likely for me
|
| 9:23 |
: Santana wore himself out chasing after Trevor Bauer’s drone
|
| 9:23 |
: is he really cramping after 3 innings of DHing?
|
| 9:23 |
: pretty sure its too late for gatorade…
|
| 9:24 |
: If there’s a baseball god, Santana will beat out a throw to the plate on this next hit
|
| 9:24 |
: Wow, what a weird inning on the bases.
|
| 9:24 |
: Catchers are allowed to run out and talk for like 20 seconds? But a runner gets to stretch on the grass for a couple minutes?
|
| 9:24 |
: Every millennial just changed the channel.
|
| 9:25 |
: Is very bad to drink Jobu’s rum. Is very bad.
|
| 9:25 |
: Question: Were the fluids provided to Santana fair trade and sustainably produced
|
| 9:25 |
: Who would come in to replace Santana?
|
| 9:26 |
: Organic non-gmo gatorade
|
| 9:26 |
: Naquin or Crisp are basically the only options, unless they want to ride without a backup catcher.
|
| 9:26 |
: That Indians bench is not great.
|
| 9:27 |
: Commercial question: Pregnant Borkwife (21 weeks) is feeling AWFUL tonight. Any suggestions for drinks/food to remedy this?
|
| 9:27 |
: Yes – the drinks/food she tells you to get her. 🙂
|
| 9:27 |
: Starch
|
| 9:27 |
: Boring bland starches.
|
| 9:28 |
: A couple bourbons and you won’t mind anymore
|
| 9:28 |
: I heard 7-UP fixes everything.
|
| 9:28 |
: Hamburgers
|
| 9:28 |
: Give her whatever they gave Santana
|
| 9:28 |
: gingerale
|
| 9:28 |
: Bork, saltines. But you really should be googling that or reading “What to Expect”
|
| 9:28 |
: Ginger Ale
|
| 9:29 |
: I would third the Ginger Ale, though what we buy at the store really isn’t ginger ale.
|
| 9:29 |
: Lindor already stole the base. They can stop running this commercial now
|
| 9:29 |
: Answer: hand milled grains, warm water and mulling spices
|
| 9:29 |
: My wife would feel better just watching the Cubs strikeout feebly for a few hours.
|
| 9:30 |
: Paul is a ginger ale snob? My goodness.
|
| 9:31 |
: I’m not, I just find it funny/sad that we aren’t really drinking what we think we’re drinking. Reading food labels can give you a very “living inside the Matrix” feeling.
|
| 9:31 |
: Just wait until you hear Paul’s opinion on what we call wasabi.
|
| 9:32 |
: Is it me or is Rizzo really close to the plate?
|
| 9:32 |
: It’s not you.
|
| 9:32 |
: I love these chats. I love the faceless names more than anyone I work with.
|
| 9:32 |
: Well it is partially him, since he observed it
|
| 9:32 |
: Netflix and Rich HIll is a pretty choice name.
|
| 9:33 |
: salazar pegged for a start, or coming out the bullpen this series?
|
| 9:33 |
: Bullpen.
|
| 9:34 |
: How many innings for Kluber tonight?
|
| 9:34 |
: 6
|
| 9:34 |
: SO CLOSE
|
| 9:34 |
: no god damn way
|
| 9:34 |
: OH HAY THAT SWING LOOKS OKAY
|
| 9:34 |
: haha okay
|
| 9:34 |
: Schwarber!!!!!
|
| 9:34 |
: CLASSIC
|
| 9:34 |
: My god
|
| 9:34 |
: SOMEONE GET THE OXYGEN
|
| 9:34 |
: Schwarbs!,,,,
|
| 9:35 |
: Ok get Schwarber his gatorade
|
| 9:35 |
: NAH HES TOO RUSTY GUYS
|
| 9:35 |
: That was hilarious timing.
|
| 9:35 |
: Hey Dave I think his swing looked better there. 🙂
|
| 9:35 |
: Me too!
|
| 9:36 |
: That was an unnoticed great throw by Chisenhall.
|
| 9:36 |
: How many war movies has Mel Gibson made?
|
| 9:36 |
: How many wars have there been?
|
| 9:38 |
: Next two innings are probably the Cubs big chance. Kluber’s thrown a bunch of pitches, going to start wearing down a little bit.
|
| 9:39 |
: They need to keep it close, then try to get a couple runs before the 6th.
|
| 9:39 |
: More than anything, I’m just jealous Dave gets to watch the game in the Pacific Time Zone, whereas I’ll be up past midnight
|
| 9:39 |
: On the other hand, this means I didn’t really get to spend any time with my kid today, and instead of my dog being tired after a full day of exercise, she’s demanding attention.
|
| 9:40 |
: I’m letting my son stay up late with me tonight. He’s singing “Take Me Out To The Ballgame” right now.
|
| 9:40 |
: These pitchers appear to be very good at baseball
|
| 9:40 |
: My dog has turned into a tiny, furry ball on the couch after going to our town’s new dog park for an hour and a half this afternoon.
|
| 9:41 |
: Want to trade? I took Liberty on a 5 mile walk yesterday, and by the time we got home, she was ready to go again.
|
| 9:41 |
: Kluber goes 6, then Miller & Allen?
|
| 9:41 |
: Yep.
|
| 9:41 |
: Are you guys watching Pitch? I saw first episode and thought it was ok, pretty intriguing
|
| 9:41 |
: Roberto Perez? Really?
|
| 9:41 |
: I am, but I’m 2 episodes behind.
|
| 9:41 |
: Wow what a story Perez is
|
| 9:41 |
: YOUNGBOD?
|
| 9:41 |
: That was a missile
|
| 9:41 |
: This is like Game 1 of the ALDS all over again.
|
| 9:41 |
: Who needs Jonathon Lucroy!
|
| 9:41 |
: Roberto Perez is guaranteeing himself a long career with those 2 postseason HRs.
|
| 9:42 |
: Ballgame! Indians: 69-1 in games they’ve led by 3+ runs at any point in 2016.
|
| 9:42 |
: He’s Freese-ing
|
| 9:42 |
: Was that out?
|
| 9:42 |
: It was. It hit the fence over the wall.
|
| 9:43 |
: The International Brotherhood of Backup Catchers welcomes Roberto Perez
|
| 9:43 |
: Is it just me, or does this game feel way more over now?
|
| 9:43 |
: That run makes a big difference.
|
| 9:43 |
: Fortunately. The Indians record of being 69-1 when up 3 runs were not all against the cubs.
|
| 9:43 |
: Cubs can hit.
|
| 9:43 |
: Who’s first out of the pen for the Cubbies Dave?
|
| 9:43 |
: Probably Edwards or Grimm.
|
| 9:44 |
: Paul, what do you think of the show? I’m curious because I don’t know anyone else who watches it
|
| 9:44 |
: I like it so far, but I also WANT to like it.
|
| 9:44 |
: Does Lester see the 5th?
|
| 9:44 |
: I’m guessing no.
|
| 9:45 |
: Interesting research project: monetary value of each post season home run
|
| 9:45 |
: Mel’s war movies: The Patriot, Braveheart, Gallipoli… not a lot of war movies really. Lots of violent movies.
|
| 9:45 |
: He did another WWII one.
|
| 9:45 |
: We Were Soldiers.
|
| 9:45 |
: Vietnam, Dave.
|
| 9:45 |
: That’d be cool, but given that so many guys who hit them are on minimum deals, not sure you could tell concretely.
|
| 9:45 |
: Right, my bad.
|
| 9:45 |
: You guys haven’t even mentioned Gibson’s most violent movie, Passion of the Christ.
|
| 9:46 |
: It’s not about a war, but it’s definitely his most violent.
|
| 9:46 |
: Still see Kluber coming out in the 6th after the extra run?
|
| 9:46 |
: He’s going to be pushing 100 pitches by then.
|
| 9:47 |
: How do you guys kill time during commercials? I prefer baseball sporcle, myself
|
| 9:47 |
: Pull Kluber after 5 and start him fresher in g4?
|
| 9:47 |
: No.
|
| 9:47 |
: Well, right now, talking with you guys. Often, I’ll be editing. If I don’t have work to do, I’ll try to read a book.
|
| 9:48 |
: Coghlan is flummoxed
|
| 9:48 |
: 18 called strikes–what’s the record for a single start?
|
| 9:48 |
: I would bet Colon has some starts with 30+
|
| 9:49 |
: APOCALYPTO SON!!!!!!
|
| 9:49 |
: Pretty sure Heyward could have done this.
|
| 9:49 |
: He looks like Oakland Coghlan instead of Chicago Coghlan…
|
| 9:49 |
: Apocalypto may as well have been a war movie.
|
| 9:49 |
: didnt colon throw like 56 strikes in a row a few seasons ago?
|
| 9:49 |
: I think it was like 43, but yeah.
|
| 9:50 |
: Dave, does Fangraphs keep track of a team’s winning percentage after they go down by X runs?
|
| 9:50 |
: Did that kid just ask for his bat while he was on deck?
|
| 9:50 |
: I think he did, yes.
|
| 9:50 |
: You don’t know unless you ask.
|
| 9:51 |
: David Ross is getting phased out?
|
| 9:51 |
: Would it be a win-win for teams like the Indians and the Redskins to rename themselves after a regionally accurate Native American nation like the Chicago Blackhawks / Utah Utes?
|
| 9:51 |
: We’re in danger of not having old backup catchers now?
|
| 9:51 |
: Is every type of player these announcers like in danger?
|
| 9:52 |
: Maybe? I doubt it.
|
| 9:52 |
: It’s possible to appreciate a player or player type without pretending that it’s under attack.
|
| 9:52 |
: Maybe the announcers should be phased out.
|
| 9:52 |
: Isn’t Ross phasing himself out? Surely the Cubs would like him back.
|
| 9:52 |
: Is David Ross the most underrated player in the World Series?
|
| 9:53 |
: baez isn’t going away, they like him
|
| 9:53 |
: No, if anything, he’s overrated now. Definitely not underrated.
|
| 9:53 |
: Maybe Fox isn’t using K-Zone so they don’t show up the umpire when he gets 25% of them wrong
|
| 9:53 |
: I think it’s probably more like FOX doesn’t think the casual fan wants to see the K Zone.
|
| 9:54 |
: Every time I see Ross’ mouth move, I imagine he’s quoting Danny Glover in Lethal Weapon
|
| 9:54 |
: For anyone who thinks to pull Kluber early, listen to Dan Bern’s “Sunday Never Comes.”
|
| 9:54 |
: JUST IN: White second basemen declared an endangered species
|
| 9:54 |
: Sabermetrics hates everything you like.
|
| 9:54 |
: Don’t mean to get political and it’s kind of buried in her platform, but Clinton has promised to ban old backup catchers who are good guys.
|
| 9:55 |
: Just “appreciating” a player or team isnt sexy enough Dave. You need to create a false narrative!
|
| 9:55 |
: Last true team re-naming (Devil Rays to Rays doesn’t count) that didn’t have to do with a move was the Washington Bullets–>Wizards. I don’t remember it well. Were there a lot of similar arguments opposed to the change as we see today with Indians/Redskins?
|
| 9:55 |
: Well, the St. John’s Redmen changed to the Red Storm a long time ago.
|
| 9:56 |
: But no, I don’t remember having these conversations when I was a kid.
|
| 9:56 |
: Isn’t Heyward the most underrated player in WS at this point?
|
| 9:56 |
: Probably.
|
| 9:57 |
: I appreciate guys like you two who evaluate commentators rationally. It’s too bad that the inevitable heat death of the universe will phase you, and all life forms, out.
|
| 9:57 |
: The fighting Sioux
|
| 9:57 |
: Is Lindor considered a top 3 SS by most? If not then hes probably heavily underrated
|
| 9:58 |
: Right, North Dakota. That was more recent though.
|
| 9:58 |
: New Orleans Hornets to Pelicans
|
| 9:58 |
: To the best of my recollection, there was no hubbub over the Bullets->Wizards switch. The owners just said, “We’ve decided to change.”
|
| 9:58 |
: No that’s not true, they changed it after the murder rate in DC went way up and people complained Bullets was insensitive.
|
| 9:59 |
: Ross dropping the ball a lot tonight.
|
| 9:59 |
: A lot!
|
| 9:59 |
: cold night
|
| 9:59 |
: Smoltz really likes Byrant’s smile
|
| 9:59 |
: Great change-up.
|
| 10:00 |
: Do you not? It’s an objectively marvelous smile.
|
| 10:00 |
: If you don’t like Bryant’s smile you’re a monster
|
| 10:00 |
: Does Lindor make your “Top 5 Players to Start a Franchise With” today list?
|
| 10:00 |
: Gotta be close.
|
| 10:01 |
: There are so many great young players though.
|
| 10:01 |
: Trout, Harper, Bryant, Machado, Correa, Seager…
|
| 10:01 |
: Yeah. Trout, Harper, Seager, Bryant. You’re already at four there.
|
| 10:01 |
: Betts!
|
| 10:02 |
: Mookie, Lindor, Correa, all right there, and Machado too. Lindor is not a slam dunk, but he’s worthy of mention.
|
| 10:02 |
: Alright, here we go.
|
| 10:02 |
: If Cubs don’t get anything here, they might be done.
|
| 10:02 |
: Need to at least put a dent in it.
|
| 10:03 |
: Paul, as a BU alum, you should know that Rhett dug up some of Nickerson Field (part of old Braves Field, where the Indians last won the Series), and mailed it to the Indians
|
| 10:03 |
: is Miller actually the best reliever in the game or are we just buying into the narrative?
|
| 10:03 |
: He really is.
|
| 10:03 |
: I saw that briefly. Good PR move by BU I guess.
|
| 10:03 |
: I get Miller, but is Allen really unhittable? 3.5 BB/9, 3.31 FIP, 1 WAR in 67 innings this year
|
| 10:03 |
: Yeah, Miller is ridiculous. Still wish the Sox had ponied up for him in free agency.
|
| 10:03 |
: His worst year in last three years, but still excellent. Insanely great in prior years. He’s really good.
|
| 10:04 |
: So obviously contreras in left in game 2 right
|
| 10:04 |
: Is it possible to make the WAR graphs work for different stats? With so many incredible young players, I would LOOOVE to see how they compare to greats of the past in all their stats.
|
| 10:04 |
: The Cubs traded for Chapman because they preferred him to Miller, yes?
|
| 10:04 |
: Nope.
|
| 10:04 |
: Chapman was fallback when they wouldn’t give up Schwarber.
|
| 10:05 |
: I’d say: (1) Correa, (2) Seager, (3) Lindor, (4) Bogaerts …
|
| 10:05 |
: I love Xander Bogaerts — he’s literally my son’s and myself’s favorite player — but he doesn’t belong on that list.
|
| 10:05 |
: Dave, lots of comments on the Chris Coghlan article today about how Heyward’s mechanics are “clearly” so screwed up that the 100 wRC+ project must be ignored. Thoughts? I don’t think most of us know ess about hitting mechanics.
|
| 10:05 |
: I think the same.
|
| 10:05 |
: People can’t separate mechanics from performance.
|
| 10:05 |
: All they’re really saying is “he’s done bad lately”
|
| 10:05 |
: Are you serious? Murder rates led to the Bullets changing names?
|
| 10:06 |
: Been a long time, but that’s how I remember it, yes.
|
| 10:06 |
: Miller warming alert!
|
| 10:06 |
: That two-seamer is really giving lefties trouble tonight
|
| 10:06 |
: That two-seamer is amazing.
|
| 10:07 |
: Kluber is only at 76 pitches. I wonder if Tito will let him at least start the 7th.
|
| 10:07 |
: I doubt the Cubs really are happy to see Miller
|
| 10:07 |
: 78 now, sorry.
|
| 10:07 |
: It’s strange to see a pitcher this locked in with only 70+ pitches thrown and the bullpen already going
|
| 10:08 |
: Guess Napoli’s dreams!
|
| 10:08 |
: If you’re Francona, are you focused more on saving Kluber for game 4 or Miller for multiple appearances in the coming days?
|
| 10:08 |
: You’re focused on not leaving Kluber in too long to where Miller doesn’t have a game to save.
|
| 10:08 |
: Mike Napoli’s Dreams would be a really, really, really great NotGraphs article. #RIPNotGraphs
|
| 10:08 |
: AN entire NBA game was played before the end of the 5th
|
| 10:09 |
: Obviously every game in a 7 game series is important to each team, but is a win here more meaningful for the Indians in the grand scheme of things, given they’ll be using Bauer/Tomlin/short rest Kluber the next 3?
|
| 10:09 |
: Yes. Lose this one, you’re in a lot of trouble.
|
| 10:09 |
: I think Indians will ride with Kluber into the 7th, unless he gets into trouble. Try to keep Allen and Miller fairly fresh for tomorrow.
|
| 10:09 |
: How surprised are you that this entire Tebow stunt was to get free PR for his book?
|
| 10:09 |
: I’ve fallen into a pool wearing a suit. It is not refreshing or joyous.
|
| 10:10 |
: Miller, Jansen, Chapman, Britton? In that order?
|
| 10:10 |
: I assume if Kluber leaves with a low pitch count it will be easier for him to start Game 4.
|
| 10:10 |
: He’s starting Game 4 regardless.
|
| 10:10 |
: You can’t throw Ryan Merritt in the World Series.
|
| 10:10 |
: three pop ups from rizzo
|
| 10:11 |
: Probably need Betances in there ahead of Britton.
|
| 10:12 |
: Nah, Britton is better than Betances.
|
| 10:12 |
: Still shocked Couglin is starting a World Series game.
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| 10:13 |
: He’ll be pinch hit for in about 15 minutes.
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| 10:13 |
: Dave, no Salazar starting Game 4?
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| 10:13 |
: If he’s only available for 50ish pitches per outing, more valuable in relief.
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| 10:13 |
: He’s this series’ Tim Lincecum!
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| 10:13 |
: Random question for Dave/Paul; working on a regression analysis project. Can you think of a non-obvious stat (like WAR/ERA/wRC+/BB%) that might have a sneaky strong-ish correlation to team wins? I thought BABIP might but it doesn’t really.
|
| 10:13 |
: RBIs.
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| 10:14 |
: (Great example of why correlation is meh)
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| 10:14 |
: that’s like 11 drops for ross
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| 10:14 |
: When you do the podcast with Cistulli, and he asks you to hang around for a minute at the conclusion of the podcast, what does he talk about?
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| 10:14 |
: Drop it like it’s Ross
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| 10:15 |
: We just talk about editing stuff.
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| 10:15 |
: Steal third here
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| 10:15 |
: Holy crap Jose Ramirez
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| 10:15 |
: Jose Ramirez has a baby face
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| 10:15 |
: Little Sack of Flour!
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| 10:15 |
: Save for a 69-game stretch, coghlan is a ~115 wrc+ bat three years running. There are plenty of worse positional players than him in tonight’s game.
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| 10:15 |
: “I throw out data that doesn’t support my point.”
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| 10:15 |
: If the Cubs aren’t toast in this one, they are probably turning golden brown
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| 10:15 |
: I would like to see David Ross with a Rolly on his arm and pouring Chandon.
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| 10:15 |
: Jose Ramirez is what I thought Mookie Betts would be at this time.
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| 10:16 |
: Is “Little Sack of Flour” Jose Ramirez’s nickname? Because that’s a great nickname.
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| 10:16 |
: Who is the worst starting pitcher to start a World Series game? Any idea off the top of your head?
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| 10:17 |
: Woody Williams?
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| 10:17 |
: Don’t have a good answer off the top of my head, no, but that would be fun to look into.
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| 10:17 |
: Jeff Francis
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| 10:17 |
: Jeff Suppan?
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| 10:17 |
: Worst at the time? Anthony Reyes
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| 10:17 |
: Remember when Jeremy Guthrie started Game 7 of a World Series?
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| 10:18 |
: I was also going to say Suppan.
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| 10:18 |
| 10:18 |
: Didn’t Josh Fogg start a game?
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| 10:18 |
: Did Andy Sonnanstine start for the Rays?
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| 10:18 |
: Oh I think Fogg did start.
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| 10:18 |
: Lester getting the Kluber call.
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| 10:18 |
: Yeah I’m going with Fogg for now.
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| 10:19 |
: WOW what a bad call.
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| 10:19 |
: What the hell? That’s not even close.
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| 10:19 |
: Howard Ehmke?
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| 10:19 |
: That pitch would have hit Rizzo…
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| 10:19 |
: Jeremy Guthrie
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| 10:19 |
: Francis was really good in 07
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| 10:19 |
: Yes he was.
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| 10:19 |
: Jamie Moyer for the Phililies?
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| 10:19 |
: Lester’s been getting more calls since his chat.
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| 10:19 |
: Al Nipper?
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| 10:20 |
: Did one of the Benes’s start for the Cardinals in 2004?
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| 10:20 |
: No, Williams, Morris, Suppan, Marquis. WOOF.
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| 10:20 |
: Suddenly this chat is outraged by called strikes out of the zone
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| 10:20 |
: In a related story, the Red Sox NEVER trailed in the 04 World Series.
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| 10:21 |
: Kluber got some borderline calls early, but that strike to Guyer was the worst of the night by a lot.
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| 10:21 |
: Tomorrow’s start just got moved up because of potential rain
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| 10:21 |
: Did they just say that? I wasn’t listening.
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| 10:21 |
: Tomorrow’s game starting an hour earlier
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| 10:21 |
: how did that cardinal team win 100 games?
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| 10:22 |
: Rejoice, Eastern time zone!
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| 10:22 |
: The video tab on mlb gameday can be so disappointing. No clips past the first inning still.
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| 10:22 |
: Pretty sure that’s Fox putting limits on what they can show.
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| 10:23 |
: The second the Cubs get close miller is in there, right? Book it, this game is over.
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| 10:23 |
: The Pujols-Rolen-Edmonds trio was historically great, and they supplemented them with Larry Walker, Edgar Renteria, Reggie Sanders and Tony Womack. It was a great offense.
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| 10:23 |
: With Schwarber due up to start 7th, Miller should start the inning.
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| 10:23 |
: Thank Kluber for a great performance and go with the lefty.
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| 10:23 |
: Yes, that is accurate – FOX and TBS don’t let BAM put out live video clips during national games.
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| 10:23 |
: ESPN too. Any national game.
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| 10:24 |
: It’s Zobrist next, Dave.
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| 10:24 |
: Yup, you’re right. Would still start Miller.
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| 10:24 |
: Pretty great curve there.
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| 10:25 |
: Would you consider Lesters start a success, failure, or average?
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| 10:25 |
: He mostly pitched well. Ramirez’s RBI single went 45 feet. Guyer’s HBPs should be illegal.
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| 10:25 |
: I remember when Strop was a Rockies prospect who couldn’t hit water from a boat. Pretty amazing.
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| 10:26 |
: Brandon Guyer did nothing wrong!
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| 10:26 |
: Yeah, Lester pitched well. He did a good job of recovering after the crazy first inning.
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| 10:26 |
: You should have to try to avoid the pitch.
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| 10:27 |
: Agreed!
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| 10:27 |
: Why should you have to avoid the pitch?
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| 10:27 |
: You don’t have to avoid it; you have to try.
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| 10:27 |
: It’s the rule?
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| 10:27 |
: I believe the rule says you have to make an effort or something.
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| 10:28 |
: Wow Kluber starting the 7th
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| 10:28 |
: Anybody reaches, he’s gotta be out
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| 10:28 |
: Yeah, can’t let Cubs get back in this with Miller ready.
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| 10:28 |
: If Guyer has to try and move, shouldn’t Rizzo have to move back?
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| 10:28 |
: Yup.
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| 10:28 |
: It’s Miller time
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| 10:28 |
: So that was pointless.
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| 10:29 |
: That’s a disappointing end. Not like that pitch was smoked.
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| 10:29 |
: Time for the Schwarber two-run homer. Book it.
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| 10:29 |
: odds of schwarber not striking out v miller? 8-1?
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| 10:29 |
: Awesome job by Cleveland fans there.
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| 10:30 |
: Speaking of Cleveland fans, I hope you all read Emma Baccellieri’s piece today at THT – http://www.hardballtimes.com/cleveland-in-the-world-series-how-does-it-feel/
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| 10:30 |
: Rule 5.05(b) “The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base
without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when: . . .(2) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless (A) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or (B) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball” |
| 10:31 |
: Do you pinch hit for Schwarber? Keep in mind you need to pinch hit for Coghlan soon.
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| 10:31 |
: Why awesome job by Cleveland fans? Some help?
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| 10:31 |
: Was a great standing O for Kluber.
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| 10:32 |
: Does anyone remember when MLB heavily promoted the WorldSeries.com brand?
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| 10:32 |
: I think you probably save Contreras and Soler to PH for others.
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| 10:32 |
: Vaguely.
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| 10:32 |
: Coghlan and Ross, most likely.
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| 10:32 |
: Keep Schwarber in. He’s looking competent at the plate & the reps can only help him at this point.
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| 10:32 |
: I think you have to leave Schwarber in after those at-bats.
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| 10:32 |
: This is going to be bleak for Schwarbs.
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| 10:32 |
: Can you really pinch hit for the guy you added to the roster just to hit?
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| 10:32 |
: As a baseball fan without cable TV, this is my first opportunity to see Andrew Miller this postseason. This is exciting!
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| 10:33 |
: can we only speculate where miller is in terms of usage/fatigue? unprecedented data wise?
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| 10:33 |
: I doubt it’s unprecedented. I believe Hernandez on the 84 Tigers was used as heavily.
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| 10:33 |
: is he really 6’10?
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| 10:33 |
: No
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| 10:33 |
: 6’6
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| 10:34 |
: a walk?
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| 10:34 |
: Has there ever been a WS where both teams had a reliever acquired mid-season from the same team like Miller and Chapam?
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| 10:34 |
: Hmmmm….
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| 10:34 |
: Not what I expected
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| 10:34 |
: What an at bat.
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| 10:34 |
: Huge walk btw.
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| 10:34 |
: Tying run now up.
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| 10:35 |
: Why would Miller throw any fastballs?
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| 10:35 |
: This is a battle of two postseason narratives right now!
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| 10:36 |
: Second walk to a lefty from Miller all year
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| 10:36 |
: Let’s do this
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| 10:36 |
: I guess Dotel to STL and Koji to TEX qualifies, but Ron Washington didn’t pitch Koji in the World Series.
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| 10:36 |
: Miller is mortal
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| 10:36 |
: Now he’ll strike out the side
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| 10:36 |
: Close eyes, swing bat.
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| 10:36 |
: Heyward to pinch hit for David Ross.
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| 10:37 |
: That was a great piece from Baccellieri. Captured a lot of the feelings I have as a younger Cleveland native
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| 10:37 |
: Paul not knowing about the HBP rule is like Donovan McNabb not knowing about ties.
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| 10:37 |
: I knew the rule.
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| 10:37 |
: whoaaaa with the N-Bomb name, missed that one?
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| 10:37 |
: Yeah, apologies!
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| 10:37 |
: I didn’t see it.
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| 10:37 |
: It’s been deleted.
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| 10:38 |
: Oh man, Schwarber was MEAT.
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| 10:38 |
: Schwarber with the TOOTBLAN and got away with it.
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| 10:38 |
: RAJAI!!
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| 10:38 |
: Schwarber didn’t even tag up.
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| 10:38 |
: No idea what Schwarber was doing.
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| 10:38 |
: Yeah, that was rust for you.
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| 10:39 |
: hit the cut-off man:)
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| 10:39 |
: Hard to kill Davis there, but man.
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| 10:39 |
: Don’t think Davis could know.
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| 10:39 |
: Welp.
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| 10:39 |
: Andrew Miller is still good.
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| 10:39 |
: Oh, there’s Andrew Miller
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| 10:40 |
: Alright that was dirty
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| 10:40 |
: The slo mo of that slider is one of my favorite things.
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| 10:40 |
: The way it comes out of his hand just does not compute.
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| 10:40 |
: You can’t let Ross here.
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| 10:40 |
: No way.
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| 10:40 |
: Lester’s out of the game.
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| 10:40 |
: Good lord.
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| 10:41 |
: Gotta be Contreras!
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| 10:41 |
: He PH for Coghlan, but Soler >>> Ross.
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| 10:41 |
: Oh, sorry. Yes, Soler.
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| 10:41 |
: Contreras is already in the game, why would you leave Ross in?
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| 10:41 |
: Just another example of Joe Maddon being “smarter” than everyone else.
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| 10:42 |
: Ross will get a hit and Buck is going to GUSH about his grit
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| 10:42 |
: Just throw it down the middle.
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| 10:42 |
: as a fan i love the feeling of post season LI
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| 10:42 |
: Oh my god if they don’t score here
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| 10:42 |
: Wow, he threw him another slider.
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| 10:43 |
: He says he commands his slider better than fastball.
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| 10:43 |
: Bet Heyward comes in to play RF and bat in Ross’s spot.
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| 10:43 |
: Oh
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| 10:43 |
: My
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| 10:43 |
: God
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| 10:43 |
: Miller is good.
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| 10:43 |
: Whew
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| 10:43 |
: Joe Maddon is a good manager, but I don’t know about his choices today.
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| 10:43 |
: Can you imagine the meltdown Miller and Cleveland would have had if that had been called a check swing?
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| 10:43 |
: You have to hit Soler there.
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| 10:44 |
: Do they let Miller go more than 1?
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| 10:44 |
: Yep. Miller for the 8th, Allen for the 9th.
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| 10:45 |
: Does the LI take into account the count, too?
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| 10:45 |
: Soler really struggle s against breaking stuff, but that’s the time to use him or don’t roster him
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| 10:45 |
: Yeah, if you’re not going to PH him for your 3rd string C against an LHP with the bases loaded down 3, you’re not ever going to use him.
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| 10:45 |
: I don’t think LI takes the count into effect, but I’m not 100% sure. Dave?
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| 10:45 |
: It does not.
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| 10:45 |
: Soler and Ross were very similar hitters this year and it’s not like Soler has any kind of history to fall back on
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| 10:46 |
: Ross hitting a few homers in 150 PAs doesn’t change the fact that he can’t hit.
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| 10:46 |
: We have an army of data on this.
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| 10:46 |
: Last three years wRC+
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| 10:46 |
: Ross – 71, 34, 101
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| 10:46 |
: 34!
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| 10:46 |
: Soler – 148, 96, 106
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| 10:46 |
: Pretty sure Soler is better.
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| 10:46 |
: Steamer’s projected wRC+ for Ross: 71
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| 10:47 |
: so glad Maddon didnt get validated for that decision with a walk
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| 10:47 |
: Honestly curious – do you guys think Maddon is a bad in-game manager? Seems like you’ve been quick to call him out today.
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| 10:47 |
: Ross 148 wRC+ vs lefties last 3 seasons
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| 10:47 |
: That’s exactly how platoon splits should not be used.
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| 10:48 |
: Joe Maddon is a good manager who likes to do things against the grain, seemingly just for the fun of it. They frequently don’t work out for him, yet people tend to give him a pass because overall he’s good.
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| 10:48 |
: No, I don’t think Maddon is a bad manager. He’s excellent. I just am not going to assume everything he does is correct.
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| 10:48 |
: Appeals to authority aren’t any more valid just because the authority is a smart authority.
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| 10:48 |
: Also, don’t feel bad filihok, Dave was just lecturing me about this platoon splits thing the other day.
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| 10:49 |
: Joe Maddon is prob an okay manager, but let’s be honest here: Tito >> Maddon
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| 10:49 |
: Yeah, explain the platoon splits thing please?
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| 10:49 |
: Don’t get me wrong, I’d go with Soler too, but it is true that he can’t hit sliders.
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| 10:50 |
: The short summary: what a batter does against same-handed pitchers is good information, and you know less if you throw it away and only focus on what he does against opposite-handed pitching. The bigger sample of what he does against all pitchers (with a standard platoon adjustment) is a better predictor of future platoon performance than past platoon performance.
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| 10:50 |
: Sliders aren’t even his worst pitch. Change-ups are. Also, Miller doesn’t throw ALL sliders. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=14221&position=OF#pfxpitchvaluesc
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| 10:51 |
: Someone is pulling for the Cubs. Someone’s name is Dave cameron
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| 10:52 |
: Don’t criticize Maddon for stuff like this, and we’re biased towards stats-friendly teams and treat them differently. Do criticize them for stuff we criticize everyone for, and we’re rooting for them. Okay.
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| 10:52 |
: Also, for his career Ross’ wSL/C is basically the same as Soler’s. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1551&position=C#pfxpitchvaluesc
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| 10:53 |
: Ross is no longer catching. That was stupid
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| 10:53 |
: And most of the positive hitting against sliders for Ross came last decade.
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| 10:53 |
: The pinch hit penalty comes in to play in that decision as well
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| 10:53 |
: Yep, it does. But Soler is so much better as a hitter than Ross.
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| 10:53 |
: Ross can’t hit.
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| 10:54 |
: Which FG writer would be the best manager? Worst?
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| 10:54 |
: Dave would easily be our best in-game manager.
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| 10:54 |
: The players would hate me.
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| 10:54 |
: August would probably be the best.
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| 10:54 |
: I said in-game manager!
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| 10:54 |
: They’d hate me in the game too.
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| 10:54 |
: Hahaha.
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| 10:54 |
: Eno would be a good manager, so long as Eric Hosmer wasn’t on the team.
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| 10:55 |
: He’d get fired after going out drinking with the guys.
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| 10:55 |
: Dave, didn’t we discount Coghlan earlier today because of his 2016 while ignoring his last couple years? And now we’re doing the opposite for Ross?
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| 10:55 |
: August is probably right for overall. I feel like Craig Edwards would do well too. He’s got that confidence about him you don’t see in most of us writers.
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| 10:55 |
: I didn’t discount Coghlan because of his 2016; i pointed out that if we’re ignoring his 2016, we should ignore Heywards too. I was arguing for logical consistency.
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| 10:56 |
: Let’s say you didn’t have to move or anything lifestyle-y like that: Would you (Paul and Dave) take a job opposite Skip Bayless on a show like Indisputable or whatever his new show with Shannon Sharpe is? Let’s even say that it’s baseball-focused, but you have to interact with him in that manner, every day.
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| 10:56 |
: To be fair Coghlan has been fine since coming back to the cubs, Heyward has never gotten out of this funk
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| 10:56 |
: This is the dumbest argument of them all. “Coghlan’s bad numbers don’t count because I didn’t watch them.”
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| 10:56 |
: If I’m getting paid what Bayless is getting paid, absolutely. That’s a lot of money.
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| 10:57 |
: Plus I could probably keep writing for FG on the side to keep my street cred.
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| 10:57 |
: If you took a job opposite Bayless, we’d fire you for selling out.
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| 10:57 |
: Damnit.
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| 10:57 |
: Watch out, Blue!
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| 10:58 |
: Lindor is real good
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| 10:58 |
: Now that Lester is out of the game, Lindor traded stealing second for getting there on a hit.
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| 10:58 |
: Which city would be more likely to riot after losing the WS?
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| 10:58 |
: I would imagine Philly will riot no matter who wins just for practice.
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| 10:58 |
: Hah
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| 10:59 |
: Well with their murder rate, I’m not sure if you could tell Chicago was actually rioting or it was just a regular Wednesday
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| 10:59 |
: Having recently moved to Philly, I can say: that sounds accurate.
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| 10:59 |
: Did you know Mike Napoli had sleep apnea?
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| 10:59 |
: Tell me more!
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| 10:59 |
: not to excuse anything, but I suspect the political aspect of managing means some decisions are made w/ narratives weighting heavier than others
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| 11:00 |
: So the eyetest tells me that Grimm looks good, but really isn’t. The numbers back that up?
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| 11:00 |
: No, Grimm is very good.
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| 11:00 |
: Sure, but seeing as how David Ross seems like he’s angling for a manager’s job, I’m not sure he would have been the guy you have to tiptoe around.
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| 11:00 |
: Baseball needs more Baez-Lindor moments.
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| 11:01 |
: That was a totally ridiculous non-PH. Soler has a 12% walk rate this year, the bases are loaded, and he has a MUCH higher chance of running into one than Ross does.
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| 11:01 |
: Tito will never lose a World Series game.
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| 11:01 |
: I know it’s only game 1, but have people underestimated Cleveland the entire postseason? It seems like each round, they’ve been the underdogs. And they’re looking pretty darn good so far.
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| 11:01 |
: They will look worse tomorrow when they throw Bauer.
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| 11:01 |
: Eno wouldn’t drink the swill that players drink
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| 11:02 |
: Eno has a way of getting you to drink his beers without being too pushy. Probably because he’s always willing to PAY for the beer…
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| 11:02 |
: He’s never gotten me to drink his beer.
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| 11:02 |
: (Side note: I can’t wait to see “Arrival.”)
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| 11:03 |
: Are more playoff bound teams in the future going to try to emulate the indians and acquire “dirty” RPs to stack a bullpen to take advantage of the playoff structure?
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| 11:03 |
: Yes. This is the direction baseball is headed.
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| 11:03 |
: Dave, the rest of this game constant, what are you going to write about?
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| 11:04 |
: August is writing about Kluber, so right now, the Soler/Ross decision.
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| 11:04 |
: favorite beer: free beer!!!
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| 11:04 |
: Could Eno get you to eat a Cheesy Gordita Crunch?
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| 11:04 |
: No
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| 11:04 |
: Yes
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| 11:04 |
: I generally just do whatever the opposite of what Eno is doing
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| 11:05 |
: favorite beer: usually the third one
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| 11:05 |
: Who will write about Napoli’s sleep apnea?
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| 11:05 |
: Carson
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| 11:05 |
: Whats up with the Dave/Eno beef?
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| 11:05 |
: So whenever Eno is not eating a cheesy gordita crunch, you’re constantly eating cheese gordita crunches?
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| 11:05 |
: I think Dave/Eno beef is one of the ingredients in a cheesy gordita crunch.
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| 11:05 |
: Haha
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| 11:06 |
: is there really a dave/eno beef? que happenito?
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| 11:06 |
: No, we’re just giving Eno a hard time.
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| 11:06 |
: Andrew Miller with two walks in a game.
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| 11:06 |
: That’s unusual.
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| 11:06 |
: Part of our job description is “give Eno a hard time.”
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| 11:06 |
: How many pitches can Miller go tomorrow if he ends at ~40?
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| 11:06 |
: Probably ~10
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| 11:06 |
: But Bauer/Arrieta, good chance you’re not using him tomorrow.
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| 11:07 |
: I should note, for the sake of transparency, that the Cheesy Gordita Crunch is literally my favorite menu item at Taco Bell. When I was in college, they took it off the menu, and I would order it anyway, and the employees would get mad at me.
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| 11:07 |
: Arrieta really hasn’t been that great lately.
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| 11:08 |
: Bauer hasn’t been that great ever.
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| 11:08 |
: That’s my wife’s favorite too Paul
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| 11:08 |
: Wow, I know we’ve hit it a couple times in chat, but Rizzo’s KNEES are in the strike zone.
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| 11:08 |
: I know it seems silly to that Merrit might have to pitch in the WS but is Bauer on short rest really a better option there?
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| 11:08 |
: I’m going to the game tomorrow. I haven’t had this feeling since I was a kid on Christmas Eve.
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| 11:08 |
: Short rest? he threw like 20 pitches a week ago.
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| 11:09 |
: Would you give Bauer a short leash tomorrow, maybe go to Salazar early in the game? 4th/5th inning?
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| 11:09 |
: Yeah, I don’t think Bauer works more than 4 tomorrow.
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| 11:09 |
: I’d be amazed if Bauer saw the 5th inning.
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| 11:09 |
: Cheesy Gordita Crunch is the only thing I even eat at “The Bell”
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| 11:09 |
: Trevor Bauer may not be the best pitcher, but he’s the best pitcher to listen to talk about pitching.
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| 11:10 |
: Uh, no, that’s Pedro Martinez. Bauer is just a guy who courts nerd attention.
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| 11:10 |
: Rajai Davis gives you the least confidence that a ball with 9 seconds of hang time will be caught.
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| 11:10 |
: Who’s doing the chatting tomorrow?
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| 11:10 |
: Jeff and Craig.
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| 11:11 |
: seems like davis makes everything an adventure, would love to be able to measure that, like fielder speed at moment of catch
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| 11:11 |
: We will be able to with Statcast eventually.
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| 11:12 |
: NOW do you pinch hit?
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| 11:12 |
: Miller at 41 pitches, take him out?
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| 11:12 |
: Yeah, I’d go Allen here.
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| 11:12 |
: Oh, wait, Schwarber is up.
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| 11:12 |
: One more batter.
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| 11:12 |
: Haha. Of course it’s Schwarber at this moment.
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| 11:12 |
: Ben Zobrist wants another ring.
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| 11:12 |
: This is intense
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| 11:12 |
: I can totally see a Schwarber HR here
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| 11:13 |
: Cubs making Miller pitch in the zone, not swinging at balls that everyone else swings at
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| 11:13 |
: So is miller unavailable tomorrow at this point?
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| 11:13 |
: I wonder how many players have won rings in back-to-back years, but with different teams? Surely someone has this list handy?
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| 11:13 |
: Maybe just one batter tomorrow.
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| 11:13 |
: You guys, baseball is fun.
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| 11:13 |
: That was a rip
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| 11:13 |
: He wanted to hit that out
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| 11:14 |
: Miller wins the war.
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| 11:14 |
: Slider here come on Miller
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| 11:14 |
: Ooph
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| 11:14 |
: wow
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| 11:14 |
: *sad trombone*
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| 11:14 |
: Oooohh that seemed hittable
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| 11:14 |
: Yikes that’s filthy
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| 11:14 |
: That was so cool to watch.
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| 11:14 |
: Even bad Miller is good.
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| 11:14 |
: Mediocre Miller still pretty good
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| 11:14 |
: Despite the results, Miller looked rather mortal in those two innings
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| 11:15 |
: Cubs laying off pitches that everyone else chased.
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| 11:15 |
: This is already one hell of a Series.
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| 11:15 |
: No Dave. He has been off tonight. It is not all cubs
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| 11:15 |
: All things considered, having Miller go 40+ pitches is kind of a win.
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| 11:15 |
: Making Miller work means not having to face him tomorrow
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| 11:16 |
: If nothing else though, the Cubs have really helped themselves with how much they made him work tonight. Almost 50 pitches in 2 innings. Won’t be able to do much if anything tomorrow.
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| 11:16 |
: Yeah, that’s a silver lining.
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| 11:16 |
: This game meant a lot more to CLE than CHC. If the Cubs won this one, was going to be tough for CLE to win series.
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| 11:16 |
: Any scenario you’d use Miller tomorrow? Lets say Indians up 1 in the 8th, LH batter up. Could you bring him in for 1 batter?
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| 11:16 |
: Yeah, he’ll be a Schwarber or Rizzo specialist tomorrow.
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| 11:16 |
: I wonder — do you try to throw Shaw in the 9th to save Allen for Game 2, or is that being too cute?
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| 11:16 |
: It’s probably too cute.
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| 11:17 |
: I would
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| 11:17 |
: Too cute.
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| 11:17 |
: WIN NOW!
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| 11:17 |
: Don’t mess around in the World Series, I think
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| 11:17 |
: Definitely not the way Tito has managed these playoffs
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| 11:17 |
: Man I know the percentages aren’t that different, but I don’t think you get cute in the world series
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| 11:17 |
: Depends if they score here
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| 11:17 |
: If they don’t win, waste Miller for nothing. Toooo cute
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| 11:17 |
: Too cute. You don’t mess around on the 3 games Kluber starts.
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| 11:17 |
: Maddon would throw in Shaw
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| 11:18 |
: no good reliever is shot after working one inning, right? being able to go back-to-back days is a key qualification to be a reliever
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| 11:18 |
: Can we get a Carson playoff chat again? I know Carson doesn’t add a ton of analytical value (like say Jeff/Dave/August/Paul) but man…I bet he’s the favorite staff member of a lot of daily FG readers, myself included. Please a) don’t ever get rid of him and b) let him know he’s wanted, even though he probably can’t tell me the name of the Indians catcher.
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| 11:18 |
: Sunday.
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| 11:18 |
: First of all, that’s insulting to Carson to say I add more analytical value than he does. Second, he is chatting. 🙂
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| 11:19 |
: Ironic to mention Carson’s lack of baseball aptitude on a Kluber day…
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| 11:19 |
: Dave, to your point on the podcast about the Cubs possibly replacing Schwarber via “injury” after game 2… Have those odds changed at all after tonight?
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| 11:19 |
: Yeah he’s not going anywhere now.
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| 11:19 |
: Carson was a big early supporter of Mookie too, right?
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| 11:20 |
: He was. Carson’s article in the THT Annual this year is a review of his first Fringe Five class in 2013. Mookie is on the list.
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| 11:20 |
: Before we get to the 9th, can I just say thank you to Dave, Paul, and everyone else for chatting? Living in a house as the only baseball fan, you all make this series much more enjoyable. Thanks internet friends!
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| 11:20 |
: Thanks for joining us!
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| 11:20 |
: Absolutely. These chats help me ignore the announcers. Which makes them the best.
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| 11:21 |
: How about Ramirez? Seems like a perfect Carson find.
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| 11:21 |
: Going back to the question of players who’ve won WS rings with different teams in consecutive years. Jack Morris (Min 91/Tor 92)
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| 11:21 |
: Ramirez, Blackmon, Betts… Carson has hit on some hitters. But he’s been really good with pitchers. Kluber, Garrett Richards, Hendricks, Jose de Leon, Junior Guerra…
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| 11:22 |
: Yeah. Kluber actually pre-dates the Fringe Five!
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| 11:22 |
: What makes him so good at finding pitchers?
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| 11:23 |
: I’d pay top dollar to have Smoltz, Maddux, and Glavine call a game together without Joe Buck in the booth.
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| 11:23 |
: He just looks for guys who throw strikes and miss bats. That is most of pitching.
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| 11:23 |
: Oh that’s a super interesting idea.
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| 11:24 |
: Maddux was my favorite player as a kid, but he would be a real FCC liability with a live mic
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| 11:25 |
: Glavine, surprisingly, isn’t that great in the booth, but maybe he’s just being dragged down by the Chip Caray and Joe Simpson. Smoltz is quite good. I bet Maddux would be too.
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| 11:26 |
: Yes but I think the idea is that they would be better together because they’re longtime friends. The problem with a 3-man booth in general is that the people don’t know each other. That’s why the NBA’s Breen-Van Gundy-Jackson booth is so great – they all worked together on the Knicks for years before being broadcast partners.
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| 11:26 |
: In a 3-man booth, knowing when to talk is the most important thing, because it sounds objectively bad when the broadcasters talk over each other.
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| 11:27 |
: Lonald Chisenhall with the hit! (I s–t you not, that’s his real name)
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| 11:27 |
: Joe Buck says dumb things sometimes, but so would you if you had to talk to 3+ hours. And he says led dumb things than many others who do the job. I don’t mind him.
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| 11:27 |
: It’s a difficult job for sure, but most broadcasters suffer from talking too much. Just talk less!
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| 11:28 |
: I have to admit, tough game for Cubs. Anything positive to look at for the rest of the series?
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| 11:28 |
: Yes, they’re still the Cubs.
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| 11:28 |
: last year Gary Cohen couldn’t make a game and Keith and Ron Darling did it without him. they were a little bit at sea without someone setting up and moderating the discussion. They just started talking like two guys in the stands might.
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| 11:28 |
: Kluber can only pitch twice more. Miller threw 46 pitches.
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| 11:29 |
: Wait, do you know which game that was?
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| 11:29 |
: This was the toss-up game of the series. The rest, Cubs will have the edge.
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| 11:29 |
: that is also a big part of why the Mets’ Gary, Keth, & Ron booth works so well: they have amazing chemistry together. I love Ron Darling but he’s just not as good on these national broadcasts
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| 11:29 |
: Even when Kluber does go, assuming he pitches 4/7, he’ll be diminished by short rest.
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| 11:29 |
: Definitely.
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| 11:30 |
: Sonic commercials have now overtaken Flo commercials for being the most annoying.
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| 11:30 |
: Nah. Florida really is a different world.
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| 11:30 |
: Any chance Kluber overtakes Bumgarner mythos this WS?
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| 11:30 |
: No.
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| 11:30 |
: Only if he pitches a perfecto in Game 7.
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| 11:30 |
: Even then, no.
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| 11:30 |
: Bumgarner’s mythos comes from 3 rings in 5 years.
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| 11:31 |
: Yeah but people are idiots. One game is easier to remember than 3 years’ worth of games. 🙂
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| 11:31 |
: Sure, Paul says people are idiots, but I’m the jerk!
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| 11:31 |
: Hahahah
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| 11:32 |
: Darling was awful on TBS
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| 11:32 |
: Welp.
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| 11:32 |
: Roberto Perez.
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| 11:32 |
: He was because he’s not with those guys all the time. Also, it’d be hard to sound good next to Ernie and Cal. The “stick to ___” phrase really applies to Ernie.
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| 11:32 |
: Unbelievable
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| 11:32 |
: OH LORDY
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| 11:32 |
: WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW
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| 11:32 |
: WHAT
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| 11:32 |
: Ballgame. Dammit.
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| 11:32 |
: Boom
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| 11:32 |
: No way
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| 11:32 |
: Rest Allen
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| 11:32 |
: Good night
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| 11:32 |
: Ouch
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| 11:32 |
: Get Shaw warm
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| 11:33 |
: Chance Roberto Perez overtakes Bumgarner’s mythos?
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| 11:33 |
: Roberto Perez is the heart and soul of the Indians.
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| 11:33 |
: Don’t waste Allen now right?
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| 11:34 |
: Roberto Perez is the new Jim Leyritz.
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| 11:34 |
: Right.
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| 11:34 |
: Especially with Miller limited tomorrow, you sit Allen now and try to get 2 from him tomorrow.
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| 11:34 |
: Jim Leyritz, for those who don’t remember. In the postseason, .213/.319/.607 – 8 homers in 72 PA.
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| 11:35 |
: Dave – just put 🙂 at the end of every snarky comment
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| 11:36 |
: I mean, that was impressive, but it really didn’t add too much WPA, yeah?
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| 11:36 |
: Yeah, which is one of the reasons why WPA is better for telling stories than evaluating players.
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| 11:36 |
: Perez with the 2 HR, 4 RBI 0.08 WPA night
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| 11:36 |
: Had Perez as backup catcher on my fantasy team much of the year. Don’t know if I got 2 HR from him all season.
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| 11:37 |
: Roberto Perez = Gene Tenace
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| 11:37 |
: Roberto Perez the new Carlos Beltran
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| 11:37 |
: What does a game one win do for the Indians chances in the series as a whole?
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| 11:38 |
: Fun Fact: Roberto Perez was the catcher who ended Terrance Gore’s historic SB streak http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/terrance-gore-is-human-after-all/
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| 11:38 |
: Cubs losing the war of the backup catchers
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| 11:38 |
: Jim Leyritz at least had a reputation as a reasonably decent power hitter.
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| 11:39 |
: Fine, fine, maybe a bit of an exaggeration. But Leyritz is definitely the guy I thought of first.
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| 11:39 |
: Allen in.
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| 11:40 |
: Bah and humbug.
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| 11:40 |
: Nice of FOX to televise the game around all those ads.
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| 11:40 |
: I don’t like this. Especially if he ends up throwing 20+.
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| 11:40 |
: Probably demanded/begged to be in after getting warm?
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| 11:41 |
: Doubt it. Just easier for manager to stick with the plan.
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| 11:41 |
: of course if he only tosses 10 pitches the decision doesn’t look that bad
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| 11:41 |
: It’s still pointless.
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| 11:41 |
: Bryan Shaw can get 3 outs before he gives up 6 runs.
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| 11:42 |
: Stick Ryan Merritt out there at this point
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| 11:42 |
: I can get 3 outs before 6 runs
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| 11:42 |
: Literally anyone else could’ve gotten 3 outs without giving up 6 runs
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| 11:42 |
: If only they had committed to Shaw when they were up 3 and trusted all-time clutch hitter Roberto Perez to come through with the big hit.
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| 11:43 |
: Oh good we’re complaining about younger players
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| 11:43 |
: Yeah, getting to third down by six in the 9th would have been super important.
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| 11:43 |
: Would you continue to play Schwarber if you are the Cubs? Did he look “good enough”?
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| 11:44 |
: At least good enough to DH/PH.
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| 11:44 |
: Just what I was thinking. His run means nothing.
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| 11:44 |
: bat flips by contreras when you’re down 6-0, one out in the 9th…
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| 11:44 |
: Criticize the bat flip all you want, but the extra base there was meaningless.
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| 11:44 |
: He cost his team nothing but not running.
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| 11:44 |
: That is not a read a hitter needs to make. There is no reason not to run. Just get in the habit of running.
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| 11:44 |
: It’s still poor form
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| 11:44 |
: it’s not about costing his team, it’s about how stupid he looks
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| 11:44 |
: Did Contreras just pimp it on a double in the World Series? I know it wouldn’t have made a difference in the scheme of things, but there are thousands of players who will never make it to the WS, and he just spat in their faces.
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| 11:45 |
: i’m more wondering what he’s so excited about…
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| 11:45 |
: He just crushed a ball in the World Series.
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| 11:45 |
: That’s exciting.
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| 11:45 |
: That’s pretty rich. Look, if you or I thought we hit a HOME RUN IN THE WORLD SERIES, we would pimp it too.
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| 11:45 |
: You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
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| 11:46 |
: I’m about to go play a late, late softball game (pacific time) and I fully plan on Willson Contreas’ing my first AB no matter what the outcome.
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| 11:46 |
: Exciting while you’re losing?
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| 11:46 |
: If you bat flip a double, we get to mock you. Them’s the rules.
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| 11:46 |
: Yes.
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| 11:46 |
: Can you explain why the extra base doesn’t mean anything? It prevents the double play, at least, right? That should matter. (This is more of a question about defensive indifference than anything else)
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| 11:46 |
: Mocking and criticizing are not the same thing.
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| 11:46 |
: He got to 2nd. The difference between 2nd/3rd is 0.
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| 11:46 |
: I’m all for mocking. Legit criticism though is a bridge too far. For me, anyway.
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| 11:47 |
: Whatever about bat flip, kid can rake
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| 11:47 |
: Arrieta’s beard just gets angrier and angrier looking
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| 11:47 |
: He’s 24, in his first World Series, and connected on one. Cut the kid some slack.
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| 11:47 |
: Arrieta is devolving into Brian Wilson territory. Someone needs to sit down and have a talk with him.
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| 11:48 |
: Congrats to the Tribe.
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| 11:48 |
: About as well as they could have hoped for that to go.
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| 11:48 |
: Kluber was amazing, Miller was good when it mattered, and Roberto Perez!
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| 11:48 |
: Thanks for hanging out, everyone. Jeff and Craig will be here tomorrow.
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| 11:48 |
: That was the Roberto Perez Game.
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| 11:48 |
: Thanks everybody!
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