2016 World Series Game 1 Live Blog by Dave Cameron October 25, 2016 7:59 Dave Cameron: Welcome to the World Series! 7:59 Dave Cameron: This should be a fun series. 7:59 Dave Cameron: Let’s start with a poll. 8:00 Dave Cameron: World Champion? Cubs in 4 (0.9% | 2 votes) Cubs in 5 (21.2% | 46 votes) Cubs in 6 (34.2% | 74 votes) Cubs in 7 (7.8% | 17 votes) Indians in 4 (0% | 0 votes) Indians in 5 (3.7% | 8 votes) Indians in 6 (20.8% | 45 votes) Indians in 7 (11.1% | 24 votes) Total Votes: 216 8:01 Bork: I love that they used the Imperial March when the Cubs came in. Because when I think of evil baseball empires, the Cubs are the first team that comes to mind. 8:01 Kevin: When napoli got announced it felt like it was about the 6th time he was in the world series… turns out its only 3 but with 3 different teams so still impressive 8:01 CamdenWarehouse: So this might actually be the first WS game that I’ve watched. It is at least the first one in 15+ years. It might have something to do with growing up in the dark ages of the O’s and not really caring about post season baseball as a kid. 8:02 Paul Swydan: Hi everyone! Be right there. 8:03 Bob: Great, so half of those sweet old people will be profoundly disappointed in the outcome and probably die soon thereafter. 8:03 EccentricChemist: How excited are you to see Kyle Schwarber tonight? 8:03 Dave Cameron: One of the more fun parts of the series. 8:04 Dave Cameron: Jon Lester is “the hottest pitcher in baseball”, because Andrew Miller doesn’t exist, apparently. 8:04 Stuafoo: Is there much of a precedent for Schwarber’s situation? At least with any success? 8:04 Dave Cameron: Nope! That’s why it’s fun. 8:04 5 Run Homer: This is gonna be really really fun. I’m cheering for Chicago, but there is really no losers in this series. Baseball! Love it! 8:05 Ryan: Cubs fan here, was not expecting it but actually got chills watching Schwarber come out during intros 8:05 Paul Swydan: I like how we’re all friendly right now. It’s a nice feeling that I expect will last approximately 5 minutes into the game. 8:06 Bob: Yea I’m a Cubs fan, but Cleveland is a likable team. Gonna be fins as hell. 8:06 EccentricChemist: Expected MVP of the series for both sides and darkhorse sleeper on both sides? I am guessing Miller or Bryant and Kluber or Zobrist. 8:06 Dave Cameron: If Indians win, it’s probably because their offense goes nuts, so I’ll go Lindor or Santana with Cleveland. If the Cubs win, it’s probably going to be a pitcher; I’ll go with Hendricks. 8:07 Paul Swydan: BTW, hi Bork. 8:07 Dude: Which starter gets more K’s? Who lasts longer? 8:07 Dave Cameron: Kluber more Ks, Lester goes deeper, because Andrew Miller isn’t lurking behind him. 8:07 klof: Thoughts on Coghlan getting the start? Didn’t expect that one. 8:07 Dave Cameron: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/chris-coghlan-is-starting-in-the-world-series-and-thats-weird/ 8:08 Mark: Will Carson be doing any of these? Is it in his contract that he only gets to talk tangentially about baseball? 8:08 Dave Cameron: Sunday! Eric and Carson are doing game five. 8:08 Eric Y: Andrew Miller gets used just as aggressively down 1 or 2 runs, right? 8:08 Dave Cameron: Yep, score doesn’t really matter. 8:09 Dave Cameron: As long as its close-ish. 8:09 Paul Swydan: I agree that Coghlan starting is super weird. 8:09 Paul Swydan: Though I’m biased in that I don’t like Coghlan since he likes to take the knees out from under Asian ballplayers. 8:10 Paul Swydan: For the record, I say Cubs in 6, but I want it to be Indians in 7. 8:10 Paul Swydan: Not ready to let go of this season! 8:11 Dave Cameron: Also, for those who haven’t live blogged with us before, this is less like a chat than the weekday Q&As we do, so don’t get mad if we don’t publish your question. 8:11 E: Does Bryant normally bat 2nd? 8:11 Dave Cameron: We’ll definitely publish your comments, but this isn’t a strict Q&A. 8:11 Forrest: Joe Buck said something about the dwindling amount of #1 starters in baseball over the years…that doesn’t actually make numeric sense 8:11 Dave Cameron: It’s also just wrong, even the way he defines it. 8:11 Dave Cameron: Baseball is full of dominant starting pitchers right now. 8:12 Paul Swydan: My favorite pages on B-Ref are the Batting Order and Defensive Lineup pages. If you go to the Cubs’ page, you can see that Bryant hit second in the lineup from roughly July on. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2016-batting-orders.shtml 8:12 Nate: “Circumstances” strike again! 8:12 Bork: Bryant’s stance hurts my knees. 8:13 Twitter: @FlippedBats: and kluber sitting 95 on the sinker. adrenaline is pumping 8:14 Tim : WHY COGHLAN? WHY? DID JOEY M LIKE MIKE MATHENY GET AT THE LINEUP CARD OR SOMETHING? 8:14 Paul Swydan: Oh man, Bryant was halfway to first. 8:14 Dave Cameron: That’s not a strike. 8:15 JC: Guess that half of the plate is a little larger than most nights. 8:15 Paul Swydan: We don’t have audio on the replay, but it seems as though the ump waited until Bryant started running before he made the call. 8:15 Blat: Late strikeout calls piss me off for some reason 8:15 5 Run Homer: Good framing might be my new favourite thing to watch 8:15 Paul Swydan: Speaking of umpires, we’re going to have a fun piece on the men in blue on Friday from Jon Roegele up at THT. 8:15 Dave Cameron: Not every bad call is good framing. 8:16 Bork: Is Rizzo always eating up half the plate with his body? 8:16 Dave Cameron: Yes. 8:17 twb: there was a good article on here a yearish ago about how rizzo had been hit by several pitches in the strike zone 8:17 John: Pretty clearly outside. Which starter would benefit more from an expanded zone? 8:17 Dave Cameron: Probably Kluber. Lester has better command. 8:17 Paul Swydan: Watching the replay again, I don’t think it was the framing. Perez pulls the ball up, but that doesn’t account for the fact that it was outside. 8:17 Paul Swydan: Just a bad call IMO 8:18 twb: I miss the TBS strike zone on every pitch 8:19 Paul Swydan: Yeah, I am now used to having a live strike zone graphic of some sort. It’s unnerving to not have it on these FOX games. 8:19 JC: We see our first Cleveland steal attempt in the ____ inning. 8:19 Dave Cameron: 1st. 8:19 Paul Swydan: It’s nice that they use it on replays, but… 8:19 Mattingly’s Sideburns: Is this the Cistulli French soccer league chat? 8:19 Paul Swydan: Yes. 8:19 filihok: Ump is miked up, loudly. 8:19 Ryan: 34% call same Cubs Strike Zone @CubsUmp Call hurts #CubsStrike 3 should be ball 4Top 1 Kluber vs Bryant34% call same0.9in from edge 26 Oct 2016 8:20 Bleh: Any evidence that umps are more or less likely to call a strike when players do that? 8:20 Julio Pepper: Damn Lester looks sharp. 8:20 Paul Swydan: Not that I know of. That’d be hard to account for. Maybe Statcast can do it. 8:20 Dave Cameron: Probably because of Arrieta’s breakout and Hendricks ERA this year, he’s become wildly underrated. 8:21 Austin, Texas: Little known fact: Francona has 2-3 sunflower seeds entering AND exiting his mouth at all times and gum 8:21 Javier: Looks like it’s gonna b a fast, low-scoring game. Thoughts? 8:22 Dave Cameron: I would bet the whole series will be. It’s cold, and these pitchers are all going to be good. 8:22 klof: Lindor going on first pitch? 8:22 Paul Swydan: Alright, here we go stolen base/Taco Bell fans! 8:22 Paul Swydan: I want my free taco. 8:22 Dave Cameron: He’ll go. 8:22 Owen: STEAL. ON. THE. FIRST. PITCH. STEAL. ON. THE. FIRST. PITCH. 8:22 anonymous: The odds of NOT getting a free taco are astronomical 8:23 Mattingly’s Sideburns: TACO TACO TACO 8:23 Stuafoo: Tacos for everyone! 8:23 Abe: I want my taco!! 8:23 filihok: I need free food 8:23 Bork: Canada doesn’t get free tacos 🙁 8:23 Paul Swydan: Get it together, Canada! 8:23 Kevin D: TACO!!!!1 8:23 Classy: Does canada get free poutine? 8:23 Drone Related Injury: one 8:23 Abe: Does Lester have to pay for the tacos? 8:23 Paul Swydan: I clapped the same way Lindor did when he got to second base, what do I win? 8:24 Dock Ellis: How much productivity is lost tomorrow because everyone is having diarrhea from the free taco? 8:24 JC: Would you try and steal third? 8:24 Dave Cameron: No real benefit with two outs. 8:24 Paul Swydan: That only happens the first or second time you eat Taco Bell. After that you develop an immunity. 8:25 JC: But less than two outs you generally would? 8:25 Dave Cameron: Yeah, probably. Getting to third with one out means you can score on an out. 8:25 Paul Swydan: Did everyone see the stat that David Ross is now both the second-oldest (2016) and seventh-oldest (2013) to start a World Series game? (it might have been be on a World Series roster) 8:25 Bork: Would Napoli run on Lester? Because I wanna see Napoli run. 8:26 Paul Swydan: The only real benefit to going now is to get in Lester’s head, and I think he proved he’s beyond that against LA, despite what Smoltz is saying. 8:26 E: Is Swydan an Indians fan? 8:26 Paul Swydan: I’m rooting for them more in this series because A) I love Terry Francona and B) I can’t stand Joe Maddon and his Chris Coghlan-esque decisions. 8:27 Dave Cameron: Well to be fair Tito is starting Chisenhall against an LHP, which is just as bad. 8:27 Paul Swydan: That is fair. 8:27 Crusty Juggler: Dave, has anyone accused you of having a Jon Lester bias because you’re both cancer survivors? 8:28 Dave Cameron: Most people who accuse me of having a bias wish I wasn’t a survivor. 8:28 Joe Buck: How many runs do the Indians need this inning to have Lester pulled before 3 outs 8:28 Dave Cameron: 6 8:28 Paul Swydan: This is definitely not how I saw this first inning going. 8:29 Crusty Juggler: That was a not a fun response to the cancer survivor question. Gosh. 8:29 Paul Swydan: Dave said it with a smile on his face, I assure you. 8:29 Dave Cameron: Well that’s a fun RBI. 8:29 anonymous: BABIP GODS HAVE SPOKEN 8:29 twb: sqib 8:29 Bork: Wow 8:29 Brian: I hate Maddons smug face. 8:29 5 Run Homer: Welp 8:29 Twitter: @FlippedBats: come on 8:30 JC: Curse of the BABIP goat 8:30 smitty: warm up miller 8:30 Neal O: Walks will kill you. 8:30 filihok: Judging by my reaction to that hit, I’m rooting for the Indians 8:30 E: Did the mlb pass a rule that said 75% of players need to have that new Mohawk haircut? 8:31 Dave Cameron: And neck tattoos. 8:31 Paul Swydan: It’s OK to root for Cleveland. If you judge this by the CITY’S sports championships, Cleveland is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY behind Chicago. 8:31 Dave Cameron: Remember when I said Lester had better command than Kluber? 8:31 Bork: LOL 8:31 PJ: % Guyer gets HBP? 8:31 PJ: I WAS RIGHT! 8:32 PJ: MOST HBPs of ANYBODY ALL SEASON 8:32 Twitter: @FlippedBats: and you thought rizzo stands close to the plate 8:32 Mac: Guyer getting hit is so perfect 8:33 Doug: Let’s say Lester gets out of this, but loads the bases again next inning: do you bring in Chapman? 8:33 Dave Cameron: Chapman is much better with the bases empty. 8:33 Paul Swydan: Lester only hit 6 guys this year, but oddly 2 of them came in his last 3 starts of the regular season. Not predictive or anything, but I do find it interesting. 8:33 Dave Cameron: So no. 8:34 LJS: Grandpa! 8:34 Bork: Ross using that old man dadbod to make the catch 8:34 Dave Cameron: Ross is like three years older than me. 8:34 Paul Swydan: That’s the kind of catch you make when you’re not worried about playing next season. 8:34 Bork: Dave using that old man dadbod to make the chat. 8:35 JC: Old man Dave! Old man Dave! 8:35 Stuafoo: Ross will now be getting a neck tattoo of the protective netting 8:35 Brett Lawrie’s Empty Redbull Can: O/U on Andrew Miller IP in this series? I’d take the over on 14 if we assume 7 games. 8:35 Dave Cameron: I’d probably go under 14. I’d put it at more like 10. 8:36 EccentricChemist: It is Miller time right? 8:36 Dave Cameron: They can’t really afford to be too aggressive with Miller today, given that Kluber is only starter who can go deep. 8:36 Dave Cameron: If you go Miller early today, bullpen could be whipped by game four. 8:37 anonymous: No one has sufficiently explained to me why Rajai Davis is hitting leadoff for a World Series team. 8:37 Dave Cameron: Indians don’t have good RH OFs. 8:37 Paul Swydan: For the record, the Cubs pitchers who inherited the most runners this season were Travis Wood, Justin Grimm and Carl Edwards, so you’d have to think they’d be on the short list to come in if Lester gets in trouble again. Montgomery also, who wouldn’t show up in a list like that since he wasn’t on the team the whole year. 8:38 JC: I’m a little giddy for Schwarber’s AB 8:38 filihok: Schwarber homers here, right? 8:38 Dave Cameron: Here we go. 8:38 Paul Swydan: Also for his career, Rajai Davis is much better against lefties. 8:38 Paul Swydan: Schwarber already looks out of breath. 8:39 Drone Related Injury: He’s the story of the World Series????? 8:39 Dave Cameron: One of them, at least. 8:39 Dave Cameron: This is super interesting! 8:39 Bork: Schwarber better hit a HR cause he aint making it to first. 8:39 Paul Swydan: His back pocket is untucked. 8:39 Tom: Honestly, I saw much more media coverage of Schwarber than Kluber, Lester, Lindor, Arrieta, Rizzo, or anyone else–he really is the biggest story, at least so far. 8:39 anonymous: That swing was… not close. 8:40 twb: I love that Theo sits down in the stands on the road 8:40 Paul Swydan: Me too. Hoyer was right next to him too. And Macleod is often with them as well. 8:40 tz: Schwarber has 5 more plate appearances this year than Raul Mondesi Jr. had before last year’s Series 8:41 Sgt. Pepper: “He was running without any discomfort”, well without anymore discomfort than when he normally runs 8:41 Dave Cameron: That’s only if you ignore the minors. 8:41 Dave Cameron: Mondesi played the whole year, just not in the big leagues. 8:41 5 Run Homer: Aw man 8:41 CamdenWarehouse: He looked kinda bad 8:41 alpha: he didn’t look awful 8:42 Dave Cameron: Come to a consensus, you two! 8:42 Dave Cameron: (I don’t think it’s possible for us to not think a player looks bad while striking out, generally) 8:42 Tyler: He looked average 8:42 Paul Swydan: Swing didn’t look great, but the plate discipline looked OK. 8:42 Dave Cameron: I would bet the exact same swing would have “looked better” if it had made contact. 8:43 Dave Cameron: Our ability to discern good or bad swing is almost entirely determined by the result. 8:43 Paul Swydan: Yeah, definitely. 8:43 tz: Corey Kluber > anonymous pitching machine 8:43 Paul Swydan: Big, if true. 8:44 filihok: Are we worried that his swing’s not there, or that his timing/recognition are off? 8:44 Dave Cameron: The latter 8:44 Paul Swydan: They should make life model decoy pitching machines, like ones that can turn into having Corey Klubers or Roger Clemens or Randy Johnson’s repertoire, just like the training robots in Ultimate Spider-Man. 8:44 Paul Swydan: Sorry, we watch a lot of Ultimate Spider-Man in my house. 8:45 Dave Cameron: That two-seam is nasty. 8:45 5 Run Homer: Baez dude… right there 8:45 Dave Cameron: That was a painted corner. 8:45 alpha: But Joe Buck said it was down the middle 8:45 Dave Cameron: Don’t listen to Joe Buck. 8:46 greg: How does Joe West keep on getting to work the World Series? 8:46 CamdenWarehouse: do I just press a button for another announcer? 8:46 Dave Cameron: Well you can hear his words without giving them credibility 8:46 Johnny Baseball : Canada gets to hear Matt Vasgersian and Buck Martinez 8:47 Paul Swydan: Chris Coghlan hasn’t had a hit in almost a month – Sept. 27. 8:47 I’m here for the gangbang: You can always go SAP and have no idea what they’re talking about 8:47 Harold Reynolds: To be fair, the camera angle is pretty bad 8:47 Sam N: I’d rather have Vasgersian than a taco… 8:47 Paul Swydan: No way, I’ll take the taco. 8:48 Elbo: The Spanish announcers are fun even if you don’t speak Spanish. Great enthusiasm. 8:48 Dave Cameron: That two-seamer. 8:48 Dave Cameron: So nasty. 8:48 Abe: This is delightful. 8:48 5 Run Homer: Kluber is good. Coghlan is not. 8:48 Paul Swydan: Ump rubbed some funk on that strike 3 call. 8:49 Tim : David Ross is gonna be a gym teacher next year. 8:49 Paul Swydan: You say that like it’s a bad thing. 8:49 Dave Cameron: I learned yesterday that Alan Embree is coaching one of the local high school teams here in Bend. 8:49 Paul Swydan: No way! 8:50 Ramalamadingdong: My pants are shrinking. 8:50 Paul Swydan: It’s not your pants. 8:50 JC: Does he coach with a mouthful of chaw like the old days? 8:50 Paul Swydan: That was my first thought as well, JC! 8:50 Dave Cameron: I’ll report back in the spring. 8:50 Dock Ellis: Can I pause this chat like 15 seconds? Streaming on Fox Sports Go and this chat is basically a rolling spoiler alert. 8:50 Paul Swydan: Sorry. 8:51 Barves: Listening to Joe Buck is a Godsend when you’re stuck with Chip Carey and Joe Simpson every day 8:51 Paul Swydan: Perspective. 8:51 Dave Cameron: Spent two nights in Golden, Colorado on my cross country drive. The river there they brag about is really nothing to write home about. 8:51 Dave Cameron: It’s a creek. 8:51 PJ: I’m watching on my television. Thanks to Comcast, I’m about 30 seconds behind, Dock. 8:51 Sumner: same here, Doc. I’ve been looking away from the chat and catching up between hitters. 8:51 I’m here for the gangbang: Yeah I’m on the 15 second delay too and I’m watching on actual TV. It’s brutal. 8:52 Dave Cameron: Sorry all! We’ll try to slow down our reactions a little bit. 8:52 Sean: I really want Chris Archer for some broadcasting 8:52 Sean: Dream team of Archer and Arod 8:52 tz: An animated movie starring John Jaso?? Can’t wait til it comes out! 8:52 Bork: I feel like Chris Archer and Marcus Stroman would be an amazing broadcasting duo. 8:53 Paul Swydan: Ouch. I do want to see that movie though. 8:53 Classy: Biggio coaches high school in houston. My cousin had him. 8:53 Jay Z: Just going from my eyeballs, it looks like that two steamer has more bite than I have ever seen from Kluber. (CLE fan) 8:54 Dominik: Paul there are actually pitching machines that simulate the timing by projecting a pitcherhttps://youtu.be/ZnGTeNmKOlA 8:54 Paul Swydan: I’ve hit off of those before, there’s one at Coors Field. I meant more the repertoire of each pitcher. That’d be so cool. 8:55 Dave Cameron: Lester throws to first! 8:55 Dave Cameron: Sorta. 8:55 Nietsniew: Kick save and a beaut 8:55 I’m here for the gangbang: Good way to break those small bones in your foot 8:55 Julio Pepper: Say Cleveland gets a 6 run lead this inning – are you yanking Kluber? 8:56 Joe: This strike zone 8:56 Paul Swydan: No, if they get a six-run lead, Kluber is pitching a complete game and saving the whole bullpen for the Bauer experience in Game 2. 8:56 tz: Whenever I see a “Shoulder Closed” sign while driving, I think of Jason Kipnis. 8:57 Token Londoner: Bullpen might pitch more than half the innings in games 2-4 8:57 Dave Cameron: I’d say it’s a good bet. 8:57 Paul Swydan: Def a good bet, especially if Bauer starts bleeding again. 8:57 JC: Even Baez’s mistakes are thrilling 8:57 Guest: the fox nfl music is totally inappropriate for the deliberate majesty of baseball!!!! 8:58 Paul Swydan: You know, I never thought about that much, because I DO like that song, but it would have been nice if they could have created at least a remix for baseball and/or other sports they televise. 8:58 JT: why is trevor bauer bad at pitching? It really seems like he shouldnt be 8:58 Dave Cameron: Command is important. 8:58 Elbo: Buck names Kipnis as “heart and soul”? I’d have bet on Napoli for that Buck honor. 8:58 kevinthecomic: 8:58 Dave Cameron: Well it has to be a white guy. 8:59 Paul Swydan: Yeah heaven forbid it be Lindor. Or Fowler on the Cubs. 8:59 Nick: He’s a white second baseman. Every white second baseman is the heart and soul 8:59 Elbo: “Heart and soul” is usually a catcher. Napoli at least is an ex-catcher. 8:59 Johnny Baseball : Would you say command is most important? 9:00 Dave Cameron: Well there’s a minimum threshold for stuff. Jared Weaver’s command didn’t do him any good this year. 9:00 tz: Great move by Tito slotting Kluber for games 1, 4, and 7. An extra start by the guy whoy far their best starter, and game 4 is super pivotal since 75% of time the series is 2 games to 1. 9:00 Paul Swydan: Isn’t Salazar pitching Game 4? 9:00 Sean: Cleveland fans don’t need a reminder about the browns 9:01 LJS: Fowler is totally the heart and soul 9:01 JT: Im sure hes pretty tall but dexter fowler looks extra tall today 9:01 Dave Cameron: Kluber is good. 9:01 stephen: 5 strikeouts looking 9:01 alpha: can they at least attempt to swing? 9:01 Paul Swydan: Fowler is definitely extra tall. And, he’s also super ripped. That surprised me the first time I interviewed him, because he’s so skinny and wears his uniform a little baggy, so you don’t think of him as ripped. Or, at least I didn’t. 9:02 Elbo: $10 says Buck names Ross as heart-and-soul before the series is over. 9:02 Bryan G: Maybe Kluber thinks he can finally get his 20-strikeout game if it’s in the World Series? 9:02 Aroldis Chimpout: Does Joe Buck not realize that the team Bernie Kosar played for relocated to Baltimore? 9:03 Paul Swydan: I believe that when the Browns came back they were granted the old Cleveland Browns’ history. 9:03 Location: This is not quite how I expected this game to go so far 9:03 Nate: Biggest baseball pet peeve: when we dig out obnoxious stats so we can have a “first”. First time two 22-year-olds start at SS in the WS. 9:03 Dave Cameron: That is the first time Nate has complained about something in a live blog. 9:03 Old Chub: If the Indians rebranded as the spiders would anyone really care after the first season? 9:04 Bork: DADBOD 9:04 LJS: Grandpa! 9:04 CarrotJuice: FOREVER YOUNG 9:04 E: My wife would never support a team called the spiders 9:04 Jason: Honestly the Spiders sounds like a minor league team name 9:04 Paul Swydan: No. My pick was to name it after Bob Feller though. Cleveland Heaters is an awesome name IMO. http://www.hardballtimes.com/naps-kings-hammers-and-other-fellers/ 9:05 5 Run Homer: Oh my god that pitch 9:05 Paul Swydan: So pretty. 9:05 Bork: God damn Kluber 9:05 Sean: What was that movement. Just stupid 9:05 anonymous: none chance 9:06 2-D: Dex cannot see that two seamer 9:06 5 Run Homer: Kluber rocks 9:06 PJ: Nobody can see that two seamer 9:06 Netflix and Rich Hill: every time i blink it’s 0-2, 1-2. Kluber is pounding. 9:06 Barves: Heaters would lead to too many Steamers jokes. 9:06 Bronn: This absolutely reminds me of Maddux. I can’t count how many times in the 90s I’d see a lefty bail out of the way of a pitch that caught the inside corner. 9:06 Stuafoo: Seems like every pitch starts off the plate and ends up a strike 9:07 Paul Swydan: Feel like that’s still an upgrade over racist jokes though… 9:08 Ricky: Kris Bryant is in a full squat batting stance 9:08 Sean P : As a Cubs fan, Kluber reminds me of Kyle Hendricks but with 5-7 MPH of added velocity 9:08 Bleh: Indians fans from the 1995 World Series are having flashbacks to being dominated by the Maddux two-seamer. 9:08 Dave Cameron: This is sick. 9:08 Netflix and Rich Hill: this is ridiculous 9:08 PJ: he’s just toying with them! 9:08 Joboo: Kluber is lord 9:08 Stephen: wow 9:08 anonymous: How’s that for a “first”, Nate? 9:08 Abe: WOOO! 9:08 Paul Swydan: So filthy. 9:09 Guest: CKS gaining a lot of members tonight 9:09 Alfrz: Klubers good. He doesn’t have a fan club on this site for no reason. 9:09 CamdenWarehouse: “this commercial free break is brought to you by T Mobile” ah the irony 9:09 Paul Swydan: I HATE this mid-inning cut back to the studio guys btw. 9:10 Paul Swydan: They did this during Red Sox games this year, but in the middle of the 5th. 9:10 Netflix and Rich Hill: I wish there was a fangraphsTV 9:10 Dave Cameron: No you don’t. 9:10 JC: Frank Thomas’ shoulders have to be four feet across 9:10 Bork: fangraphsTV should just be a camera in Sullivans house 9:10 Dave Cameron: That’s creepy. 9:11 Paul Swydan: I do too! The MLB guys had a better version of what we would do though when they had Petriello and Leitch and those guys on. They did a really good job with it. 9:11 Paul Swydan: Also yeah, that’s creepy. Come on Bork, you’re better than that. 9:11 yeah jeets: i would watch fangraphs tv if it was carson cistulli trying to announce this game 9:11 5 Run Homer: I’d pay a great deal of money for Carson to be in a broadcast booth 9:12 JC: Carson is probably apoplectic because of Kluber right now. (This is assuming he’s aware of and watching the game.) 9:12 Paul Swydan: Me too. Carson would be/is great. 9:12 yeah jeets: halfway through the game Carson would probably say “i’ve fulfilled my obligation” and bounce 9:13 Sean P : Mickey Callaway is hot BTW 9:13 CamdenWarehouse: Carson in a three man booth just doing his own thing while Dave and Eno broadcast would be absolute gold 9:13 Paul Swydan: I’m not sure putting Dave and Eno in the same room for 3 hours a night would be a good idea. 9:13 Dave Cameron: Actual question asked on a broadcast: “It’s nice to have (Andrew Miller), isn’t it?” 9:14 Dominik: why is he not going? make him throw you out at least once 9:14 Sean: Shouldn’t London be running? 9:14 Paul Swydan: Auto correct! 9:14 99: Could you legally broadcast audio of you calling the game without getting MLB permission? 9:14 Dave Cameron: No. 9:14 The Hamburglar: Carson and Dayn Perry booth would be ideal 9:15 Dave Cameron: Hah 9:15 anonymous: LOL IT HAPPENED 9:15 5 Run Homer: Lester can’t throw! Oh my lord that’s lame 9:15 CamdenWarehouse: Hilarious 9:15 Nietsniew: It literally does not matter what lindor does 9:15 Roy Halliday: How can he just not throw over? 9:15 PJ: WHAT! he literally won’t throw hahaha 9:15 JC: Wow. Had him dead to rights. 9:15 Stuafoo: Oh my god 9:16 Nietsniew: Why didnt he run at him 9:16 CamdenWarehouse: He should have just gone 9:16 Paul Swydan: What a throw. 9:16 Dave Cameron: Not nearly a good enough jump for knowing that he won’t throw to first. 9:16 Nietsniew: GRANDPA 9:16 PJ: What a tag 9:16 JC: Ah the throw and the tag. I’m in love. 9:16 kball: cue the tag talk 9:16 Sean P : That young Baez tag 9:17 Paul Swydan: Oh, did the tag miss him? 9:17 Adam: HE MISSED HIM 9:17 CamdenWarehouse: Baez didn’t even look 9:17 Roy Halliday: Didn’t touch him 9:17 tz: Baez tagged the dirt which tagged Lindor. 9:18 Sgt. Pepper: Anyone catch the very audible “god damn it!” coming from the dugout? 9:18 Paul Swydan: According to PITCHf/x, Lester has no case. 9:18 Netflix and Rich Hill: He mighta scraped him. The Indians prob figured there wasn’t enough evidence to overturn it. 9:19 aspergillus fumigatus: why didnt he get off farther? 9:19 Dave Cameron: Yeah, they just aren’t getting big enough leads. 9:19 Sumner: watched Lester for years now… not a good sign for him when he gets hot. 9:19 Abe: There’s no reason to stay close after what we just saw. 9:20 Token Londoner: They should be halfway up to second as a lead 9:20 Dave Cameron: At some point, he can run at you and then shovel it pass it. 9:20 Dave Cameron: But yeah, you have to take bigger leads. 9:20 Paul Swydan: I think it’s probably more just muscle memory/programming and/or not wanting to get caught by a back pick. But if you know you’re running, then yeah. 9:21 5 Run Homer: Ruh-Roh 9:21 Big Nick Digger: Oh boy 9:21 Sean: Who wrote the article about how runners could take bigger leads but won’t cause it’s so odd? 9:21 Abe: 9:21 Will: That’s not good 9:21 DaveB: World series… you think one could hydrate properly… 9:22 kevinthecomic: It’s the 50 degree Cleveland heat that got to him 9:22 Mom: Orange slices! Get the orange slices! 9:22 5 Run Homer: This is weird 9:22 E: Is there like a time limit and then you have to remove someone? How does this work? 9:22 Alfrz: This can’t seriously be allowed. He should be pulled. 9:22 Eric: Realistically, how long can they wait for him? 9:23 JC: I’m sorry but it’s kind of funny that they’re feeding a grown man in the outfield 9:23 Tyler: Cold weather always made cramps more likely for me 9:23 Crusty Juggler: Santana wore himself out chasing after Trevor Bauer’s drone 9:23 Dominik: is he really cramping after 3 innings of DHing? 9:23 Tom: pretty sure its too late for gatorade… 9:24 The Hamburglar: If there’s a baseball god, Santana will beat out a throw to the plate on this next hit 9:24 Paul Swydan: Wow, what a weird inning on the bases. 9:24 Stuafoo: Catchers are allowed to run out and talk for like 20 seconds? But a runner gets to stretch on the grass for a couple minutes? 9:24 Crusty Juggler: Every millennial just changed the channel. 9:25 T: Is very bad to drink Jobu’s rum. Is very bad. 9:25 Paul Swydan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvrzntd2pRk 9:25 Carson Cistulli: Question: Were the fluids provided to Santana fair trade and sustainably produced 9:25 Bork: Who would come in to replace Santana? 9:26 Sgt. Pepper: Organic non-gmo gatorade 9:26 Paul Swydan: Naquin or Crisp are basically the only options, unless they want to ride without a backup catcher. 9:26 Dave Cameron: That Indians bench is not great. 9:27 Bork: Commercial question: Pregnant Borkwife (21 weeks) is feeling AWFUL tonight. Any suggestions for drinks/food to remedy this? 9:27 Paul Swydan: Yes – the drinks/food she tells you to get her. 🙂 9:27 Dave Cameron: Starch 9:27 Dave Cameron: Boring bland starches. 9:28 CamdenWarehouse: A couple bourbons and you won’t mind anymore 9:28 Ned Ghost: I heard 7-UP fixes everything. 9:28 The Hamburglar: Hamburgers 9:28 Sgt. Pepper: Give her whatever they gave Santana 9:28 anon: gingerale 9:28 Netflix and Rich Hill: Bork, saltines. But you really should be googling that or reading “What to Expect” 9:28 DaveB: Ginger Ale 9:29 Paul Swydan: I would third the Ginger Ale, though what we buy at the store really isn’t ginger ale. 9:29 The Hamburglar: Lindor already stole the base. They can stop running this commercial now 9:29 Carson Cistulli: Answer: hand milled grains, warm water and mulling spices 9:29 Abe: My wife would feel better just watching the Cubs strikeout feebly for a few hours. 9:30 Crusty Juggler: Paul is a ginger ale snob? My goodness. 9:31 Paul Swydan: I’m not, I just find it funny/sad that we aren’t really drinking what we think we’re drinking. Reading food labels can give you a very “living inside the Matrix” feeling. 9:31 Bork: Just wait until you hear Paul’s opinion on what we call wasabi. 9:32 Sean: Is it me or is Rizzo really close to the plate? 9:32 Dave Cameron: It’s not you. 9:32 Netflix and Rich Hill: I love these chats. I love the faceless names more than anyone I work with. 9:32 The Hamburglar: Well it is partially him, since he observed it 9:32 Paul Swydan: Netflix and Rich HIll is a pretty choice name. 9:33 anonymous: salazar pegged for a start, or coming out the bullpen this series? 9:33 Dave Cameron: Bullpen. 9:34 tz: How many innings for Kluber tonight? 9:34 Dave Cameron: 6 9:34 5 Run Homer: SO CLOSE 9:34 Netflix and Rich Hill: no god damn way 9:34 anonymous: OH HAY THAT SWING LOOKS OKAY 9:34 Netflix and Rich Hill: haha okay 9:34 Stephen: Schwarber!!!!! 9:34 Nietsniew: CLASSIC 9:34 Joe: My god 9:34 Bork: SOMEONE GET THE OXYGEN 9:34 LJS: Schwarbs!,,,, 9:35 Sgt. Pepper: Ok get Schwarber his gatorade 9:35 Nietsniew: NAH HES TOO RUSTY GUYS 9:35 Bronn: That was hilarious timing. 9:35 Paul Swydan: Hey Dave I think his swing looked better there. 🙂 9:35 Dave Cameron: Me too! 9:36 Elbo: That was an unnoticed great throw by Chisenhall. 9:36 Dave Cameron: How many war movies has Mel Gibson made? 9:36 JC: How many wars have there been? 9:38 Dave Cameron: Next two innings are probably the Cubs big chance. Kluber’s thrown a bunch of pitches, going to start wearing down a little bit. 9:39 Dave Cameron: They need to keep it close, then try to get a couple runs before the 6th. 9:39 The Hamburglar: More than anything, I’m just jealous Dave gets to watch the game in the Pacific Time Zone, whereas I’ll be up past midnight 9:39 Dave Cameron: On the other hand, this means I didn’t really get to spend any time with my kid today, and instead of my dog being tired after a full day of exercise, she’s demanding attention. 9:40 Paul Swydan: I’m letting my son stay up late with me tonight. He’s singing “Take Me Out To The Ballgame” right now. 9:40 anonymous: These pitchers appear to be very good at baseball 9:40 Abe: My dog has turned into a tiny, furry ball on the couch after going to our town’s new dog park for an hour and a half this afternoon. 9:41 Dave Cameron: Want to trade? I took Liberty on a 5 mile walk yesterday, and by the time we got home, she was ready to go again. 9:41 Roy Halliday: Kluber goes 6, then Miller & Allen? 9:41 Dave Cameron: Yep. 9:41 Noodle: Are you guys watching Pitch? I saw first episode and thought it was ok, pretty intriguing 9:41 The Hamburglar: Roberto Perez? Really? 9:41 Paul Swydan: I am, but I’m 2 episodes behind. 9:41 Zmccoy: Wow what a story Perez is 9:41 Bork: YOUNGBOD? 9:41 JC: That was a missile 9:41 Paul Swydan: This is like Game 1 of the ALDS all over again. 9:41 Roger: Who needs Jonathon Lucroy! 9:41 Paul Swydan: Roberto Perez is guaranteeing himself a long career with those 2 postseason HRs. 9:42 PJ: Ballgame! Indians: 69-1 in games they’ve led by 3+ runs at any point in 2016. 9:42 5 Run Homer: He’s Freese-ing 9:42 Joe: Was that out? 9:42 Paul Swydan: It was. It hit the fence over the wall. 9:43 vlock1 : The International Brotherhood of Backup Catchers welcomes Roberto Perez 9:43 Zmccoy: Is it just me, or does this game feel way more over now? 9:43 Dave Cameron: That run makes a big difference. 9:43 Alfrz: Fortunately. The Indians record of being 69-1 when up 3 runs were not all against the cubs. 9:43 filihok: Cubs can hit. 9:43 Joboo: Who’s first out of the pen for the Cubbies Dave? 9:43 Dave Cameron: Probably Edwards or Grimm. 9:44 Noodle: Paul, what do you think of the show? I’m curious because I don’t know anyone else who watches it 9:44 Paul Swydan: I like it so far, but I also WANT to like it. 9:44 Tom: Does Lester see the 5th? 9:44 Dave Cameron: I’m guessing no. 9:45 Stuafoo: Interesting research project: monetary value of each post season home run 9:45 Paul G.: Mel’s war movies: The Patriot, Braveheart, Gallipoli… not a lot of war movies really. Lots of violent movies. 9:45 Dave Cameron: He did another WWII one. 9:45 Dave Cameron: We Were Soldiers. 9:45 Bronn: Vietnam, Dave. 9:45 Paul Swydan: That’d be cool, but given that so many guys who hit them are on minimum deals, not sure you could tell concretely. 9:45 Dave Cameron: Right, my bad. 9:45 Paul Swydan: You guys haven’t even mentioned Gibson’s most violent movie, Passion of the Christ. 9:46 Paul Swydan: It’s not about a war, but it’s definitely his most violent. 9:46 JA: Still see Kluber coming out in the 6th after the extra run? 9:46 Dave Cameron: He’s going to be pushing 100 pitches by then. 9:47 Ryan: How do you guys kill time during commercials? I prefer baseball sporcle, myself 9:47 Lou Sockalexis: Pull Kluber after 5 and start him fresher in g4? 9:47 Dave Cameron: No. 9:47 Paul Swydan: Well, right now, talking with you guys. Often, I’ll be editing. If I don’t have work to do, I’ll try to read a book. 9:48 Sean: Coghlan is flummoxed 9:48 Roger: 18 called strikes–what’s the record for a single start? 9:48 Dave Cameron: I would bet Colon has some starts with 30+ 9:49 Guest: APOCALYPTO SON!!!!!! 9:49 Joe: Pretty sure Heyward could have done this. 9:49 Nate: He looks like Oakland Coghlan instead of Chicago Coghlan… 9:49 tz: Apocalypto may as well have been a war movie. 9:49 JT: didnt colon throw like 56 strikes in a row a few seasons ago? 9:49 Dave Cameron: I think it was like 43, but yeah. 9:50 JC: Dave, does Fangraphs keep track of a team’s winning percentage after they go down by X runs? 9:50 The Hamburglar: Did that kid just ask for his bat while he was on deck? 9:50 Paul Swydan: I think he did, yes. 9:50 Guest: You don’t know unless you ask. 9:51 Dave Cameron: David Ross is getting phased out? 9:51 Bro Charboneau: Would it be a win-win for teams like the Indians and the Redskins to rename themselves after a regionally accurate Native American nation like the Chicago Blackhawks / Utah Utes? 9:51 Dave Cameron: We’re in danger of not having old backup catchers now? 9:51 Dave Cameron: Is every type of player these announcers like in danger? 9:52 Paul Swydan: Maybe? I doubt it. 9:52 Dave Cameron: It’s possible to appreciate a player or player type without pretending that it’s under attack. 9:52 Evan: Maybe the announcers should be phased out. 9:52 Elbo: Isn’t Ross phasing himself out? Surely the Cubs would like him back. 9:52 Bronn: Is David Ross the most underrated player in the World Series? 9:53 twb: baez isn’t going away, they like him 9:53 Paul Swydan: No, if anything, he’s overrated now. Definitely not underrated. 9:53 jmarsh123: Maybe Fox isn’t using K-Zone so they don’t show up the umpire when he gets 25% of them wrong 9:53 Paul Swydan: I think it’s probably more like FOX doesn’t think the casual fan wants to see the K Zone. 9:54 Napoli’s beard: Every time I see Ross’ mouth move, I imagine he’s quoting Danny Glover in Lethal Weapon 9:54 Paul G.: For anyone who thinks to pull Kluber early, listen to Dan Bern’s “Sunday Never Comes.” 9:54 Count Von Count: JUST IN: White second basemen declared an endangered species 9:54 Asdasd: Sabermetrics hates everything you like. 9:54 Duke of Tralee: Don’t mean to get political and it’s kind of buried in her platform, but Clinton has promised to ban old backup catchers who are good guys. 9:55 The Hamburglar: Just “appreciating” a player or team isnt sexy enough Dave. You need to create a false narrative! 9:55 Andrew: Last true team re-naming (Devil Rays to Rays doesn’t count) that didn’t have to do with a move was the Washington Bullets–>Wizards. I don’t remember it well. Were there a lot of similar arguments opposed to the change as we see today with Indians/Redskins? 9:55 Paul Swydan: Well, the St. John’s Redmen changed to the Red Storm a long time ago. 9:56 Paul Swydan: But no, I don’t remember having these conversations when I was a kid. 9:56 David: Isn’t Heyward the most underrated player in WS at this point? 9:56 Paul Swydan: Probably. 9:57 Owen: I appreciate guys like you two who evaluate commentators rationally. It’s too bad that the inevitable heat death of the universe will phase you, and all life forms, out. 9:57 Guest: The fighting Sioux 9:57 Matt: Is Lindor considered a top 3 SS by most? If not then hes probably heavily underrated 9:58 Paul Swydan: Right, North Dakota. That was more recent though. 9:58 Bork: New Orleans Hornets to Pelicans 9:58 vlock1 : To the best of my recollection, there was no hubbub over the Bullets->Wizards switch. The owners just said, “We’ve decided to change.” 9:58 Paul Swydan: No that’s not true, they changed it after the murder rate in DC went way up and people complained Bullets was insensitive. 9:59 Dave Cameron: Ross dropping the ball a lot tonight. 9:59 Paul Swydan: A lot! 9:59 Zmccoy: cold night 9:59 Tyler: Smoltz really likes Byrant’s smile 9:59 Dave Cameron: Great change-up. 10:00 Paul Swydan: Do you not? It’s an objectively marvelous smile. 10:00 Matt : If you don’t like Bryant’s smile you’re a monster 10:00 WhiteRhino: Does Lindor make your “Top 5 Players to Start a Franchise With” today list? 10:00 Paul Swydan: Gotta be close. 10:01 Dave Cameron: There are so many great young players though. 10:01 Dave Cameron: Trout, Harper, Bryant, Machado, Correa, Seager… 10:01 Paul Swydan: Yeah. Trout, Harper, Seager, Bryant. You’re already at four there. 10:01 Julio Pepper: Betts! 10:02 Paul Swydan: Mookie, Lindor, Correa, all right there, and Machado too. Lindor is not a slam dunk, but he’s worthy of mention. 10:02 Dave Cameron: Alright, here we go. 10:02 Dave Cameron: If Cubs don’t get anything here, they might be done. 10:02 Dave Cameron: Need to at least put a dent in it. 10:03 Terrier: Paul, as a BU alum, you should know that Rhett dug up some of Nickerson Field (part of old Braves Field, where the Indians last won the Series), and mailed it to the Indians 10:03 PJ: is Miller actually the best reliever in the game or are we just buying into the narrative? 10:03 Dave Cameron: He really is. 10:03 Paul Swydan: I saw that briefly. Good PR move by BU I guess. 10:03 dan: I get Miller, but is Allen really unhittable? 3.5 BB/9, 3.31 FIP, 1 WAR in 67 innings this year 10:03 Paul Swydan: Yeah, Miller is ridiculous. Still wish the Sox had ponied up for him in free agency. 10:03 Dave Cameron: His worst year in last three years, but still excellent. Insanely great in prior years. He’s really good. 10:04 Bork jr: So obviously contreras in left in game 2 right 10:04 Raindog: Is it possible to make the WAR graphs work for different stats? With so many incredible young players, I would LOOOVE to see how they compare to greats of the past in all their stats. 10:04 JC: The Cubs traded for Chapman because they preferred him to Miller, yes? 10:04 Dave Cameron: Nope. 10:04 Dave Cameron: Chapman was fallback when they wouldn’t give up Schwarber. 10:05 PJ: I’d say: (1) Correa, (2) Seager, (3) Lindor, (4) Bogaerts … 10:05 Paul Swydan: I love Xander Bogaerts — he’s literally my son’s and myself’s favorite player — but he doesn’t belong on that list. 10:05 Duke of Tralee: Dave, lots of comments on the Chris Coghlan article today about how Heyward’s mechanics are “clearly” so screwed up that the 100 wRC+ project must be ignored. Thoughts? I don’t think most of us know ess about hitting mechanics. 10:05 Dave Cameron: I think the same. 10:05 Dave Cameron: People can’t separate mechanics from performance. 10:05 Dave Cameron: All they’re really saying is “he’s done bad lately” 10:05 Bork: Are you serious? Murder rates led to the Bullets changing names? 10:06 Paul Swydan: Been a long time, but that’s how I remember it, yes. 10:06 Paul Swydan: Miller warming alert! 10:06 Zmccoy: That two-seamer is really giving lefties trouble tonight 10:06 Dave Cameron: That two-seamer is amazing. 10:07 Paul Swydan: Kluber is only at 76 pitches. I wonder if Tito will let him at least start the 7th. 10:07 Tom: I doubt the Cubs really are happy to see Miller 10:07 Paul Swydan: 78 now, sorry. 10:07 JA: It’s strange to see a pitcher this locked in with only 70+ pitches thrown and the bullpen already going 10:08 Crusty Juggler: Guess Napoli’s dreams! 10:08 Roger: If you’re Francona, are you focused more on saving Kluber for game 4 or Miller for multiple appearances in the coming days? 10:08 Dave Cameron: You’re focused on not leaving Kluber in too long to where Miller doesn’t have a game to save. 10:08 Paul Swydan: Mike Napoli’s Dreams would be a really, really, really great NotGraphs article. #RIPNotGraphs 10:08 Donut Puncher: AN entire NBA game was played before the end of the 5th 10:09 The Hamburglar: Obviously every game in a 7 game series is important to each team, but is a win here more meaningful for the Indians in the grand scheme of things, given they’ll be using Bauer/Tomlin/short rest Kluber the next 3? 10:09 Dave Cameron: Yes. Lose this one, you’re in a lot of trouble. 10:09 Stephen: I think Indians will ride with Kluber into the 7th, unless he gets into trouble. Try to keep Allen and Miller fairly fresh for tomorrow. 10:09 Donut Puncher: How surprised are you that this entire Tebow stunt was to get free PR for his book? 10:09 Y’know: I’ve fallen into a pool wearing a suit. It is not refreshing or joyous. 10:10 Joe McMahon: Miller, Jansen, Chapman, Britton? In that order? 10:10 Joe McMahon: I assume if Kluber leaves with a low pitch count it will be easier for him to start Game 4. 10:10 Dave Cameron: He’s starting Game 4 regardless. 10:10 Dave Cameron: You can’t throw Ryan Merritt in the World Series. 10:10 twb: three pop ups from rizzo 10:11 Paul Swydan: Probably need Betances in there ahead of Britton. 10:12 Dave Cameron: Nah, Britton is better than Betances. 10:12 Ryan: Still shocked Couglin is starting a World Series game. 10:13 Dave Cameron: He’ll be pinch hit for in about 15 minutes. 10:13 Joe McMahon: Dave, no Salazar starting Game 4? 10:13 Dave Cameron: If he’s only available for 50ish pitches per outing, more valuable in relief. 10:13 Paul Swydan: He’s this series’ Tim Lincecum! 10:13 Danny: Random question for Dave/Paul; working on a regression analysis project. Can you think of a non-obvious stat (like WAR/ERA/wRC+/BB%) that might have a sneaky strong-ish correlation to team wins? I thought BABIP might but it doesn’t really. 10:13 Dave Cameron: RBIs. 10:14 Dave Cameron: (Great example of why correlation is meh) 10:14 twb: that’s like 11 drops for ross 10:14 The Hamburglar: When you do the podcast with Cistulli, and he asks you to hang around for a minute at the conclusion of the podcast, what does he talk about? 10:14 The Hamburglar: Drop it like it’s Ross 10:15 Dave Cameron: We just talk about editing stuff. 10:15 anonymous: Steal third here 10:15 Zmccoy: Holy crap Jose Ramirez 10:15 Hugh: Jose Ramirez has a baby face 10:15 5 Run Homer: Little Sack of Flour! 10:15 Guest: Save for a 69-game stretch, coghlan is a ~115 wrc+ bat three years running. There are plenty of worse positional players than him in tonight’s game. 10:15 Dave Cameron: “I throw out data that doesn’t support my point.” 10:15 Zonk: If the Cubs aren’t toast in this one, they are probably turning golden brown 10:15 Paul Swydan: I would like to see David Ross with a Rolly on his arm and pouring Chandon. 10:15 tz: Jose Ramirez is what I thought Mookie Betts would be at this time. 10:16 Paul Swydan: Is “Little Sack of Flour” Jose Ramirez’s nickname? Because that’s a great nickname. 10:16 E: Who is the worst starting pitcher to start a World Series game? Any idea off the top of your head? 10:17 Paul Swydan: Woody Williams? 10:17 Paul Swydan: Don’t have a good answer off the top of my head, no, but that would be fun to look into. 10:17 The Hamburglar: Jeff Francis 10:17 nickg: Jeff Suppan? 10:17 WhiteRhino: Worst at the time? Anthony Reyes 10:17 S: Remember when Jeremy Guthrie started Game 7 of a World Series? 10:18 Paul Swydan: I was also going to say Suppan. 10:18 anonymous: Kirk Rueter: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1128&position=P 10:18 Zmccoy: Didn’t Josh Fogg start a game? 10:18 The Hamburglar: Did Andy Sonnanstine start for the Rays? 10:18 Paul Swydan: Oh I think Fogg did start. 10:18 Paul Swydan: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/COL/COL200710270.shtml 10:18 Dave Cameron: Lester getting the Kluber call. 10:18 Paul Swydan: Yeah I’m going with Fogg for now. 10:19 Paul Swydan: WOW what a bad call. 10:19 Cards Nation : What the hell? That’s not even close. 10:19 Uncle Jimbo: Howard Ehmke? 10:19 Nate: That pitch would have hit Rizzo… 10:19 Aaron: Jeremy Guthrie 10:19 S: Francis was really good in 07 10:19 Paul Swydan: Yes he was. 10:19 Dock Ellis: Jamie Moyer for the Phililies? 10:19 Abe: Lester’s been getting more calls since his chat. 10:19 Paul G.: Al Nipper? 10:20 WhiteRhino: Did one of the Benes’s start for the Cardinals in 2004? 10:20 Paul Swydan: No, Williams, Morris, Suppan, Marquis. WOOF. 10:20 klof: Suddenly this chat is outraged by called strikes out of the zone 10:20 Paul Swydan: In a related story, the Red Sox NEVER trailed in the 04 World Series. 10:21 Dave Cameron: Kluber got some borderline calls early, but that strike to Guyer was the worst of the night by a lot. 10:21 JC: Tomorrow’s start just got moved up because of potential rain 10:21 Paul Swydan: Did they just say that? I wasn’t listening. 10:21 Mike D: Tomorrow’s game starting an hour earlier 10:21 JT: how did that cardinal team win 100 games? 10:22 Cap: Rejoice, Eastern time zone! 10:22 Hint of Rye: The video tab on mlb gameday can be so disappointing. No clips past the first inning still. 10:22 Dave Cameron: Pretty sure that’s Fox putting limits on what they can show. 10:23 Amazon Prime and Kick It: The second the Cubs get close miller is in there, right? Book it, this game is over. 10:23 Paul Swydan: The Pujols-Rolen-Edmonds trio was historically great, and they supplemented them with Larry Walker, Edgar Renteria, Reggie Sanders and Tony Womack. It was a great offense. 10:23 Dave Cameron: With Schwarber due up to start 7th, Miller should start the inning. 10:23 Dave Cameron: Thank Kluber for a great performance and go with the lefty. 10:23 Paul Swydan: Yes, that is accurate – FOX and TBS don’t let BAM put out live video clips during national games. 10:23 Paul Swydan: ESPN too. Any national game. 10:24 Scott: It’s Zobrist next, Dave. 10:24 Dave Cameron: Yup, you’re right. Would still start Miller. 10:24 Dave Cameron: Pretty great curve there. 10:25 Dock Ellis: Would you consider Lesters start a success, failure, or average? 10:25 Dave Cameron: He mostly pitched well. Ramirez’s RBI single went 45 feet. Guyer’s HBPs should be illegal. 10:25 Paul Swydan: I remember when Strop was a Rockies prospect who couldn’t hit water from a boat. Pretty amazing. 10:26 Kiermaier’s Piercing Blue Eyes: Brandon Guyer did nothing wrong! 10:26 Paul Swydan: Yeah, Lester pitched well. He did a good job of recovering after the crazy first inning. 10:26 Dave Cameron: You should have to try to avoid the pitch. 10:27 Paul Swydan: Agreed! 10:27 Abe: Why should you have to avoid the pitch? 10:27 Dave Cameron: You don’t have to avoid it; you have to try. 10:27 Paul Swydan: It’s the rule? 10:27 Dave Cameron: I believe the rule says you have to make an effort or something. 10:28 Zmccoy: Wow Kluber starting the 7th 10:28 Zock jr: Anybody reaches, he’s gotta be out 10:28 Dave Cameron: Yeah, can’t let Cubs get back in this with Miller ready. 10:28 Nate: If Guyer has to try and move, shouldn’t Rizzo have to move back? 10:28 Dave Cameron: Yup. 10:28 Zmccoy: It’s Miller time 10:28 Dave Cameron: So that was pointless. 10:29 Paul Swydan: That’s a disappointing end. Not like that pitch was smoked. 10:29 Zock jr: Time for the Schwarber two-run homer. Book it. 10:29 Duke of Tralee: odds of schwarber not striking out v miller? 8-1? 10:29 Paul Swydan: Awesome job by Cleveland fans there. 10:30 Paul Swydan: Speaking of Cleveland fans, I hope you all read Emma Baccellieri’s piece today at THT – http://www.hardballtimes.com/cleveland-in-the-world-series-how-does-it-feel/ 10:30 BucktheJoe: Rule 5.05(b) “The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first basewithout liability to be put out (provided he advances to andtouches first base) when: . . .(2) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attemptingto hit unless (A) The ball is in the strike zone when ittouches the batter, or (B) The batter makes no attempt toavoid being touched by the ball” 10:31 Scott: Do you pinch hit for Schwarber? Keep in mind you need to pinch hit for Coghlan soon. 10:31 Zonk: Why awesome job by Cleveland fans? Some help? 10:31 Paul Swydan: Was a great standing O for Kluber. 10:32 Debian Linux: Does anyone remember when MLB heavily promoted the WorldSeries.com brand? 10:32 Dave Cameron: I think you probably save Contreras and Soler to PH for others. 10:32 Paul Swydan: Vaguely. 10:32 Dave Cameron: Coghlan and Ross, most likely. 10:32 William: Keep Schwarber in. He’s looking competent at the plate & the reps can only help him at this point. 10:32 Zock jr: I think you have to leave Schwarber in after those at-bats. 10:32 vlock1 : This is going to be bleak for Schwarbs. 10:32 Abe: Can you really pinch hit for the guy you added to the roster just to hit? 10:32 Bro Charboneau: As a baseball fan without cable TV, this is my first opportunity to see Andrew Miller this postseason. This is exciting! 10:33 senpaisanto: can we only speculate where miller is in terms of usage/fatigue? unprecedented data wise? 10:33 Paul Swydan: I doubt it’s unprecedented. I believe Hernandez on the 84 Tigers was used as heavily. 10:33 JT: is he really 6’10? 10:33 Dave Cameron: No 10:33 Dave Cameron: 6’6 10:34 Adam: a walk? 10:34 Paul G.: Has there ever been a WS where both teams had a reliever acquired mid-season from the same team like Miller and Chapam? 10:34 Paul Swydan: Hmmmm…. 10:34 5 Run Homer: Not what I expected 10:34 Stephen: What an at bat. 10:34 Paul Swydan: Huge walk btw. 10:34 Dave Cameron: Tying run now up. 10:35 Daniel: Why would Miller throw any fastballs? 10:35 Bro Charboneau: This is a battle of two postseason narratives right now! 10:36 Tyler: Second walk to a lefty from Miller all year 10:36 5 Run Homer: Let’s do this 10:36 Paul Swydan: I guess Dotel to STL and Koji to TEX qualifies, but Ron Washington didn’t pitch Koji in the World Series. 10:36 JC: Miller is mortal 10:36 Stephen: Now he’ll strike out the side 10:36 Daniel: Close eyes, swing bat. 10:36 Duke of Tralee: Heyward to pinch hit for David Ross. 10:37 Jason: That was a great piece from Baccellieri. Captured a lot of the feelings I have as a younger Cleveland native 10:37 Duke of Tralee: Paul not knowing about the HBP rule is like Donovan McNabb not knowing about ties. 10:37 Paul Swydan: I knew the rule. 10:37 99: whoaaaa with the N-Bomb name, missed that one? 10:37 Dave Cameron: Yeah, apologies! 10:37 Dave Cameron: I didn’t see it. 10:37 Dave Cameron: It’s been deleted. 10:38 Paul Swydan: Oh man, Schwarber was MEAT. 10:38 Dave Cameron: Schwarber with the TOOTBLAN and got away with it. 10:38 Andrew: RAJAI!! 10:38 Paul Swydan: Schwarber didn’t even tag up. 10:38 Paul Swydan: No idea what Schwarber was doing. 10:38 Dave Cameron: Yeah, that was rust for you. 10:39 Dominik: hit the cut-off man:) 10:39 Paul Swydan: Hard to kill Davis there, but man. 10:39 filihok: Don’t think Davis could know. 10:39 Dave Cameron: Welp. 10:39 Dave Cameron: Andrew Miller is still good. 10:39 5 Run Homer: Oh, there’s Andrew Miller 10:40 JC: Alright that was dirty 10:40 Paul Swydan: The slo mo of that slider is one of my favorite things. 10:40 Paul Swydan: The way it comes out of his hand just does not compute. 10:40 Dave Cameron: You can’t let Ross here. 10:40 Dave Cameron: No way. 10:40 Dave Cameron: Lester’s out of the game. 10:40 Paul Swydan: Good lord. 10:41 Paul Swydan: Gotta be Contreras! 10:41 Dave Cameron: He PH for Coghlan, but Soler >>> Ross. 10:41 Paul Swydan: Oh, sorry. Yes, Soler. 10:41 jess: Contreras is already in the game, why would you leave Ross in? 10:41 Paul Swydan: Just another example of Joe Maddon being “smarter” than everyone else. 10:42 peachesnnuts: Ross will get a hit and Buck is going to GUSH about his grit 10:42 Paul Swydan: Just throw it down the middle. 10:42 twb: as a fan i love the feeling of post season LI 10:42 5 Run Homer: Oh my god if they don’t score here 10:42 Paul Swydan: Wow, he threw him another slider. 10:43 Dave Cameron: He says he commands his slider better than fastball. 10:43 tz: Bet Heyward comes in to play RF and bat in Ross’s spot. 10:43 5 Run Homer: Oh 10:43 5 Run Homer: My 10:43 5 Run Homer: God 10:43 The Hamburglar: Miller is good. 10:43 Stephen: Whew 10:43 Dave Cameron: Joe Maddon is a good manager, but I don’t know about his choices today. 10:43 Paul Swydan: Can you imagine the meltdown Miller and Cleveland would have had if that had been called a check swing? 10:43 Dave Cameron: You have to hit Soler there. 10:44 Drew: Do they let Miller go more than 1? 10:44 Dave Cameron: Yep. Miller for the 8th, Allen for the 9th. 10:45 Netflix and Rich Hill: Does the LI take into account the count, too? 10:45 Bork jr: Soler really struggle s against breaking stuff, but that’s the time to use him or don’t roster him 10:45 Dave Cameron: Yeah, if you’re not going to PH him for your 3rd string C against an LHP with the bases loaded down 3, you’re not ever going to use him. 10:45 Paul Swydan: I don’t think LI takes the count into effect, but I’m not 100% sure. Dave? 10:45 Dave Cameron: It does not. 10:45 Re: Soler and Ross were very similar hitters this year and it’s not like Soler has any kind of history to fall back on 10:46 Dave Cameron: Ross hitting a few homers in 150 PAs doesn’t change the fact that he can’t hit. 10:46 Dave Cameron: We have an army of data on this. 10:46 Paul Swydan: Last three years wRC+ 10:46 Paul Swydan: Ross – 71, 34, 101 10:46 Dave Cameron: 34! 10:46 Paul Swydan: Soler – 148, 96, 106 10:46 Paul Swydan: Pretty sure Soler is better. 10:46 Dave Cameron: Steamer’s projected wRC+ for Ross: 71 10:47 Tom: so glad Maddon didnt get validated for that decision with a walk 10:47 dan: Honestly curious – do you guys think Maddon is a bad in-game manager? Seems like you’ve been quick to call him out today. 10:47 filihok: Ross 148 wRC+ vs lefties last 3 seasons 10:47 Dave Cameron: That’s exactly how platoon splits should not be used. 10:48 Paul Swydan: Joe Maddon is a good manager who likes to do things against the grain, seemingly just for the fun of it. They frequently don’t work out for him, yet people tend to give him a pass because overall he’s good. 10:48 Dave Cameron: No, I don’t think Maddon is a bad manager. He’s excellent. I just am not going to assume everything he does is correct. 10:48 Dave Cameron: Appeals to authority aren’t any more valid just because the authority is a smart authority. 10:48 Paul Swydan: Also, don’t feel bad filihok, Dave was just lecturing me about this platoon splits thing the other day. 10:49 Ryan: Joe Maddon is prob an okay manager, but let’s be honest here: Tito >> Maddon 10:49 AJS: Yeah, explain the platoon splits thing please? 10:49 Dave Cameron: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/estimating-hitter-platoon-skill/ 10:49 David: Don’t get me wrong, I’d go with Soler too, but it is true that he can’t hit sliders. 10:50 Dave Cameron: The short summary: what a batter does against same-handed pitchers is good information, and you know less if you throw it away and only focus on what he does against opposite-handed pitching. The bigger sample of what he does against all pitchers (with a standard platoon adjustment) is a better predictor of future platoon performance than past platoon performance. 10:50 Paul Swydan: Sliders aren’t even his worst pitch. Change-ups are. Also, Miller doesn’t throw ALL sliders. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=14221&position=OF#pfxpitchvaluesc 10:51 Poonrod: Someone is pulling for the Cubs. Someone’s name is Dave cameron 10:52 Dave Cameron: Don’t criticize Maddon for stuff like this, and we’re biased towards stats-friendly teams and treat them differently. Do criticize them for stuff we criticize everyone for, and we’re rooting for them. Okay. 10:52 Paul Swydan: Also, for his career Ross’ wSL/C is basically the same as Soler’s. http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1551&position=C#pfxpitchvaluesc 10:53 alpha: Ross is no longer catching. That was stupid 10:53 Paul Swydan: And most of the positive hitting against sliders for Ross came last decade. 10:53 peachesnnuts: The pinch hit penalty comes in to play in that decision as well 10:53 Dave Cameron: Yep, it does. But Soler is so much better as a hitter than Ross. 10:53 Dave Cameron: Ross can’t hit. 10:54 Dock Ellis: Which FG writer would be the best manager? Worst? 10:54 Paul Swydan: Dave would easily be our best in-game manager. 10:54 Dave Cameron: The players would hate me. 10:54 Dave Cameron: August would probably be the best. 10:54 Paul Swydan: I said in-game manager! 10:54 Dave Cameron: They’d hate me in the game too. 10:54 Paul Swydan: Hahaha. 10:54 Ghost of Gred Madduxes Past: Eno would be a good manager, so long as Eric Hosmer wasn’t on the team. 10:55 Dave Cameron: He’d get fired after going out drinking with the guys. 10:55 dan: Dave, didn’t we discount Coghlan earlier today because of his 2016 while ignoring his last couple years? And now we’re doing the opposite for Ross? 10:55 Paul Swydan: August is probably right for overall. I feel like Craig Edwards would do well too. He’s got that confidence about him you don’t see in most of us writers. 10:55 Dave Cameron: I didn’t discount Coghlan because of his 2016; i pointed out that if we’re ignoring his 2016, we should ignore Heywards too. I was arguing for logical consistency. 10:56 Duke of Tralee: Let’s say you didn’t have to move or anything lifestyle-y like that: Would you (Paul and Dave) take a job opposite Skip Bayless on a show like Indisputable or whatever his new show with Shannon Sharpe is? Let’s even say that it’s baseball-focused, but you have to interact with him in that manner, every day. 10:56 Tyler: To be fair Coghlan has been fine since coming back to the cubs, Heyward has never gotten out of this funk 10:56 Dave Cameron: This is the dumbest argument of them all. “Coghlan’s bad numbers don’t count because I didn’t watch them.” 10:56 Paul Swydan: If I’m getting paid what Bayless is getting paid, absolutely. That’s a lot of money. 10:57 Paul Swydan: Plus I could probably keep writing for FG on the side to keep my street cred. 10:57 Dave Cameron: If you took a job opposite Bayless, we’d fire you for selling out. 10:57 Paul Swydan: Damnit. 10:57 Paul Swydan: Watch out, Blue! 10:58 5 Run Homer: Lindor is real good 10:58 Paul Swydan: Now that Lester is out of the game, Lindor traded stealing second for getting there on a hit. 10:58 Stevil: Which city would be more likely to riot after losing the WS? 10:58 Dave Cameron: I would imagine Philly will riot no matter who wins just for practice. 10:58 Paul Swydan: Hah 10:59 The Hamburglar: Well with their murder rate, I’m not sure if you could tell Chicago was actually rioting or it was just a regular Wednesday 10:59 vlock1 : Having recently moved to Philly, I can say: that sounds accurate. 10:59 Grayson Jimm : Did you know Mike Napoli had sleep apnea? 10:59 Dave Cameron: Tell me more! 10:59 senpaisanto: not to excuse anything, but I suspect the political aspect of managing means some decisions are made w/ narratives weighting heavier than others 11:00 vlock1 : So the eyetest tells me that Grimm looks good, but really isn’t. The numbers back that up? 11:00 Dave Cameron: No, Grimm is very good. 11:00 Paul Swydan: Sure, but seeing as how David Ross seems like he’s angling for a manager’s job, I’m not sure he would have been the guy you have to tiptoe around. 11:00 Paul Swydan: Baseball needs more Baez-Lindor moments. 11:01 Mark: That was a totally ridiculous non-PH. Soler has a 12% walk rate this year, the bases are loaded, and he has a MUCH higher chance of running into one than Ross does. 11:01 Cards Nation : Tito will never lose a World Series game. 11:01 B: I know it’s only game 1, but have people underestimated Cleveland the entire postseason? It seems like each round, they’ve been the underdogs. And they’re looking pretty darn good so far. 11:01 Dave Cameron: They will look worse tomorrow when they throw Bauer. 11:01 5 Run Homer: Eno wouldn’t drink the swill that players drink 11:02 Paul Swydan: Eno has a way of getting you to drink his beers without being too pushy. Probably because he’s always willing to PAY for the beer… 11:02 Dave Cameron: He’s never gotten me to drink his beer. 11:02 Paul Swydan: (Side note: I can’t wait to see “Arrival.”) 11:03 jwes: Are more playoff bound teams in the future going to try to emulate the indians and acquire “dirty” RPs to stack a bullpen to take advantage of the playoff structure? 11:03 Dave Cameron: Yes. This is the direction baseball is headed. 11:03 Harold Reynolds: Dave, the rest of this game constant, what are you going to write about? 11:04 Dave Cameron: August is writing about Kluber, so right now, the Soler/Ross decision. 11:04 kevinthecomic: favorite beer: free beer!!! 11:04 Re: Could Eno get you to eat a Cheesy Gordita Crunch? 11:04 Dave Cameron: No 11:04 Paul Swydan: Yes 11:04 Dave Cameron: I generally just do whatever the opposite of what Eno is doing 11:05 anonymous: favorite beer: usually the third one 11:05 The Hamburglar: Who will write about Napoli’s sleep apnea? 11:05 Paul Swydan: Carson 11:05 Tom: Whats up with the Dave/Eno beef? 11:05 JC: So whenever Eno is not eating a cheesy gordita crunch, you’re constantly eating cheese gordita crunches? 11:05 Dave Cameron: I think Dave/Eno beef is one of the ingredients in a cheesy gordita crunch. 11:05 Paul Swydan: Haha 11:06 Otis Redding: is there really a dave/eno beef? que happenito? 11:06 Dave Cameron: No, we’re just giving Eno a hard time. 11:06 Dave Cameron: Andrew Miller with two walks in a game. 11:06 Dave Cameron: That’s unusual. 11:06 Paul Swydan: Part of our job description is “give Eno a hard time.” 11:06 Harold Reynolds: How many pitches can Miller go tomorrow if he ends at ~40? 11:06 Dave Cameron: Probably ~10 11:06 Dave Cameron: But Bauer/Arrieta, good chance you’re not using him tomorrow. 11:07 Paul Swydan: I should note, for the sake of transparency, that the Cheesy Gordita Crunch is literally my favorite menu item at Taco Bell. When I was in college, they took it off the menu, and I would order it anyway, and the employees would get mad at me. 11:07 Theo: Arrieta really hasn’t been that great lately. 11:08 Dave Cameron: Bauer hasn’t been that great ever. 11:08 Minty: That’s my wife’s favorite too Paul 11:08 anonymous: Wow, I know we’ve hit it a couple times in chat, but Rizzo’s KNEES are in the strike zone. 11:08 Hint of Rye: I know it seems silly to that Merrit might have to pitch in the WS but is Bauer on short rest really a better option there? 11:08 E: I’m going to the game tomorrow. I haven’t had this feeling since I was a kid on Christmas Eve. 11:08 Dave Cameron: Short rest? he threw like 20 pitches a week ago. 11:09 The Hamburglar: Would you give Bauer a short leash tomorrow, maybe go to Salazar early in the game? 4th/5th inning? 11:09 Dave Cameron: Yeah, I don’t think Bauer works more than 4 tomorrow. 11:09 Paul Swydan: I’d be amazed if Bauer saw the 5th inning. 11:09 Adam: Cheesy Gordita Crunch is the only thing I even eat at “The Bell” 11:09 Ghost of Gred Madduxes Past: Trevor Bauer may not be the best pitcher, but he’s the best pitcher to listen to talk about pitching. 11:10 Paul Swydan: Uh, no, that’s Pedro Martinez. Bauer is just a guy who courts nerd attention. 11:10 Dave Cameron: Rajai Davis gives you the least confidence that a ball with 9 seconds of hang time will be caught. 11:10 Dock Ellis: Who’s doing the chatting tomorrow? 11:10 Dave Cameron: Jeff and Craig. 11:11 archer: seems like davis makes everything an adventure, would love to be able to measure that, like fielder speed at moment of catch 11:11 Dave Cameron: We will be able to with Statcast eventually. 11:12 dan: NOW do you pinch hit? 11:12 Adam: Miller at 41 pitches, take him out? 11:12 Dave Cameron: Yeah, I’d go Allen here. 11:12 Dave Cameron: Oh, wait, Schwarber is up. 11:12 Dave Cameron: One more batter. 11:12 Bro Charboneau: Haha. Of course it’s Schwarber at this moment. 11:12 Paul Swydan: Ben Zobrist wants another ring. 11:12 filihok: This is intense 11:12 The Hamburglar: I can totally see a Schwarber HR here 11:13 Re: Cubs making Miller pitch in the zone, not swinging at balls that everyone else swings at 11:13 Jd: So is miller unavailable tomorrow at this point? 11:13 Paul Swydan: I wonder how many players have won rings in back-to-back years, but with different teams? Surely someone has this list handy? 11:13 Dave Cameron: Maybe just one batter tomorrow. 11:13 Russ: You guys, baseball is fun. 11:13 Bork jr: That was a rip 11:13 Sean: He wanted to hit that out 11:14 Dave Cameron: Miller wins the war. 11:14 2-D: Slider here come on Miller 11:14 HappyFunBall: Ooph 11:14 Paul Swydan: wow 11:14 5 Run Homer: *sad trombone* 11:14 JC: Oooohh that seemed hittable 11:14 Zmccoy: Yikes that’s filthy 11:14 nickg: That was so cool to watch. 11:14 Ghost of Gred Madduxes Past: Even bad Miller is good. 11:14 Paul G.: Mediocre Miller still pretty good 11:14 B: Despite the results, Miller looked rather mortal in those two innings 11:15 Dave Cameron: Cubs laying off pitches that everyone else chased. 11:15 vlock1 : This is already one hell of a Series. 11:15 Poonrod: No Dave. He has been off tonight. It is not all cubs 11:15 Big Hurt’s Shoulders: All things considered, having Miller go 40+ pitches is kind of a win. 11:15 HappyFunBall: Making Miller work means not having to face him tomorrow 11:16 Stephen: If nothing else though, the Cubs have really helped themselves with how much they made him work tonight. Almost 50 pitches in 2 innings. Won’t be able to do much if anything tomorrow. 11:16 Dave Cameron: Yeah, that’s a silver lining. 11:16 Dave Cameron: This game meant a lot more to CLE than CHC. If the Cubs won this one, was going to be tough for CLE to win series. 11:16 The Hamburglar: Any scenario you’d use Miller tomorrow? Lets say Indians up 1 in the 8th, LH batter up. Could you bring him in for 1 batter? 11:16 Dave Cameron: Yeah, he’ll be a Schwarber or Rizzo specialist tomorrow. 11:16 Paul Swydan: I wonder — do you try to throw Shaw in the 9th to save Allen for Game 2, or is that being too cute? 11:16 Paul Swydan: It’s probably too cute. 11:17 Stephen: I would 11:17 Uncle Jimbo: Too cute. 11:17 Paul G.: WIN NOW! 11:17 JC: Don’t mess around in the World Series, I think 11:17 Tom: Definitely not the way Tito has managed these playoffs 11:17 peachesnnuts: Man I know the percentages aren’t that different, but I don’t think you get cute in the world series 11:17 Adam: Depends if they score here 11:17 Bork jr: If they don’t win, waste Miller for nothing. Toooo cute 11:17 tz: Too cute. You don’t mess around on the 3 games Kluber starts. 11:17 5 Run Homer: Maddon would throw in Shaw 11:18 hurricanexyz: no good reliever is shot after working one inning, right? being able to go back-to-back days is a key qualification to be a reliever 11:18 Danny: Can we get a Carson playoff chat again? I know Carson doesn’t add a ton of analytical value (like say Jeff/Dave/August/Paul) but man…I bet he’s the favorite staff member of a lot of daily FG readers, myself included. Please a) don’t ever get rid of him and b) let him know he’s wanted, even though he probably can’t tell me the name of the Indians catcher. 11:18 Dave Cameron: Sunday. 11:18 Paul Swydan: First of all, that’s insulting to Carson to say I add more analytical value than he does. Second, he is chatting. 🙂 11:19 peachesnnuts: Ironic to mention Carson’s lack of baseball aptitude on a Kluber day… 11:19 Russ: Dave, to your point on the podcast about the Cubs possibly replacing Schwarber via “injury” after game 2… Have those odds changed at all after tonight? 11:19 Dave Cameron: Yeah he’s not going anywhere now. 11:19 The Hamburglar: Carson was a big early supporter of Mookie too, right? 11:20 Paul Swydan: He was. Carson’s article in the THT Annual this year is a review of his first Fringe Five class in 2013. Mookie is on the list. 11:20 Dock Ellis: Before we get to the 9th, can I just say thank you to Dave, Paul, and everyone else for chatting? Living in a house as the only baseball fan, you all make this series much more enjoyable. Thanks internet friends! 11:20 Dave Cameron: Thanks for joining us! 11:20 Paul Swydan: Absolutely. These chats help me ignore the announcers. Which makes them the best. 11:21 tz: How about Ramirez? Seems like a perfect Carson find. 11:21 Mark: Going back to the question of players who’ve won WS rings with different teams in consecutive years. Jack Morris (Min 91/Tor 92) 11:21 Dave Cameron: Ramirez, Blackmon, Betts… Carson has hit on some hitters. But he’s been really good with pitchers. Kluber, Garrett Richards, Hendricks, Jose de Leon, Junior Guerra… 11:22 Paul Swydan: Yeah. Kluber actually pre-dates the Fringe Five! 11:22 The Hamburglar: What makes him so good at finding pitchers? 11:23 Russ: I’d pay top dollar to have Smoltz, Maddux, and Glavine call a game together without Joe Buck in the booth. 11:23 Dave Cameron: He just looks for guys who throw strikes and miss bats. That is most of pitching. 11:23 Paul Swydan: Oh that’s a super interesting idea. 11:24 anonymous: Maddux was my favorite player as a kid, but he would be a real FCC liability with a live mic 11:25 Ghost of Gred Madduxes Past: Glavine, surprisingly, isn’t that great in the booth, but maybe he’s just being dragged down by the Chip Caray and Joe Simpson. Smoltz is quite good. I bet Maddux would be too. 11:26 Paul Swydan: Yes but I think the idea is that they would be better together because they’re longtime friends. The problem with a 3-man booth in general is that the people don’t know each other. That’s why the NBA’s Breen-Van Gundy-Jackson booth is so great – they all worked together on the Knicks for years before being broadcast partners. 11:26 Paul Swydan: In a 3-man booth, knowing when to talk is the most important thing, because it sounds objectively bad when the broadcasters talk over each other. 11:27 5 Run Homer: Lonald Chisenhall with the hit! (I s–t you not, that’s his real name) 11:27 nickg: Joe Buck says dumb things sometimes, but so would you if you had to talk to 3+ hours. And he says led dumb things than many others who do the job. I don’t mind him. 11:27 Paul Swydan: It’s a difficult job for sure, but most broadcasters suffer from talking too much. Just talk less! 11:28 Kyle: I have to admit, tough game for Cubs. Anything positive to look at for the rest of the series? 11:28 Paul Swydan: Yes, they’re still the Cubs. 11:28 Elbo: last year Gary Cohen couldn’t make a game and Keith and Ron Darling did it without him. they were a little bit at sea without someone setting up and moderating the discussion. They just started talking like two guys in the stands might. 11:28 Dave Cameron: Kluber can only pitch twice more. Miller threw 46 pitches. 11:29 Paul Swydan: Wait, do you know which game that was? 11:29 Dave Cameron: This was the toss-up game of the series. The rest, Cubs will have the edge. 11:29 hurricanexyz: that is also a big part of why the Mets’ Gary, Keth, & Ron booth works so well: they have amazing chemistry together. I love Ron Darling but he’s just not as good on these national broadcasts 11:29 Dave Cameron: Even when Kluber does go, assuming he pitches 4/7, he’ll be diminished by short rest. 11:29 Paul Swydan: Definitely. 11:30 tz: Sonic commercials have now overtaken Flo commercials for being the most annoying. 11:30 Paul Swydan: Nah. Florida really is a different world. 11:30 IsIt2015Yet?: Any chance Kluber overtakes Bumgarner mythos this WS? 11:30 Dave Cameron: No. 11:30 Paul Swydan: Only if he pitches a perfecto in Game 7. 11:30 Dave Cameron: Even then, no. 11:30 Dave Cameron: Bumgarner’s mythos comes from 3 rings in 5 years. 11:31 Paul Swydan: Yeah but people are idiots. One game is easier to remember than 3 years’ worth of games. 🙂 11:31 Dave Cameron: Sure, Paul says people are idiots, but I’m the jerk! 11:31 Paul Swydan: Hahahah 11:32 Tyler: Darling was awful on TBS 11:32 Dave Cameron: Welp. 11:32 Dave Cameron: Roberto Perez. 11:32 Paul Swydan: He was because he’s not with those guys all the time. Also, it’d be hard to sound good next to Ernie and Cal. The “stick to ___” phrase really applies to Ernie. 11:32 Zmccoy: Unbelievable 11:32 anonymous: OH LORDY 11:32 Paul Swydan: WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW 11:32 5 Run Homer: WHAT 11:32 Alfrz: Ballgame. Dammit. 11:32 HappyFunBall: Boom 11:32 Sean: No way 11:32 Stephen: Rest Allen 11:32 Bork jr: Good night 11:32 Kyle: Ouch 11:32 2-D: Get Shaw warm 11:33 filihok: Chance Roberto Perez overtakes Bumgarner’s mythos? 11:33 99: Roberto Perez is the heart and soul of the Indians. 11:33 Julio Pepper: Don’t waste Allen now right? 11:34 Paul Swydan: Roberto Perez is the new Jim Leyritz. 11:34 Dave Cameron: Right. 11:34 Dave Cameron: Especially with Miller limited tomorrow, you sit Allen now and try to get 2 from him tomorrow. 11:34 Paul Swydan: Jim Leyritz, for those who don’t remember. In the postseason, .213/.319/.607 – 8 homers in 72 PA. 11:35 E: Dave – just put 🙂 at the end of every snarky comment 11:36 Zock jr: I mean, that was impressive, but it really didn’t add too much WPA, yeah? 11:36 Dave Cameron: Yeah, which is one of the reasons why WPA is better for telling stories than evaluating players. 11:36 Stephen: Perez with the 2 HR, 4 RBI 0.08 WPA night 11:36 nickg: Had Perez as backup catcher on my fantasy team much of the year. Don’t know if I got 2 HR from him all season. 11:37 Uncle Jimbo: Roberto Perez = Gene Tenace 11:37 Re: Roberto Perez the new Carlos Beltran 11:37 BH: What does a game one win do for the Indians chances in the series as a whole? 11:38 anonymous: Fun Fact: Roberto Perez was the catcher who ended Terrance Gore’s historic SB streak http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/terrance-gore-is-human-after-all/ 11:38 Tyler: Cubs losing the war of the backup catchers 11:38 Debian Linux: Jim Leyritz at least had a reputation as a reasonably decent power hitter. 11:39 Paul Swydan: Fine, fine, maybe a bit of an exaggeration. But Leyritz is definitely the guy I thought of first. 11:39 Dave Cameron: Allen in. 11:40 Dave Cameron: Bah and humbug. 11:40 Paul Swydan: Nice of FOX to televise the game around all those ads. 11:40 Dave Cameron: I don’t like this. Especially if he ends up throwing 20+. 11:40 Paul Swydan: Probably demanded/begged to be in after getting warm? 11:41 Dave Cameron: Doubt it. Just easier for manager to stick with the plan. 11:41 Brandon: of course if he only tosses 10 pitches the decision doesn’t look that bad 11:41 Dave Cameron: It’s still pointless. 11:41 Dave Cameron: Bryan Shaw can get 3 outs before he gives up 6 runs. 11:42 JC: Stick Ryan Merritt out there at this point 11:42 Ben: I can get 3 outs before 6 runs 11:42 StackedDeck: Literally anyone else could’ve gotten 3 outs without giving up 6 runs 11:42 Paul Swydan: If only they had committed to Shaw when they were up 3 and trusted all-time clutch hitter Roberto Perez to come through with the big hit. 11:43 JC: Oh good we’re complaining about younger players 11:43 Dave Cameron: Yeah, getting to third down by six in the 9th would have been super important. 11:43 Zonk: Would you continue to play Schwarber if you are the Cubs? Did he look “good enough”? 11:44 Paul Swydan: At least good enough to DH/PH. 11:44 Alfrz: Just what I was thinking. His run means nothing. 11:44 jwes: bat flips by contreras when you’re down 6-0, one out in the 9th… 11:44 Dave Cameron: Criticize the bat flip all you want, but the extra base there was meaningless. 11:44 Dave Cameron: He cost his team nothing but not running. 11:44 Uncle Jimbo: That is not a read a hitter needs to make. There is no reason not to run. Just get in the habit of running. 11:44 S: It’s still poor form 11:44 brendan: it’s not about costing his team, it’s about how stupid he looks 11:44 Andrew: Did Contreras just pimp it on a double in the World Series? I know it wouldn’t have made a difference in the scheme of things, but there are thousands of players who will never make it to the WS, and he just spat in their faces. 11:45 jwes: i’m more wondering what he’s so excited about… 11:45 Dave Cameron: He just crushed a ball in the World Series. 11:45 Dave Cameron: That’s exciting. 11:45 Paul Swydan: That’s pretty rich. Look, if you or I thought we hit a HOME RUN IN THE WORLD SERIES, we would pimp it too. 11:45 Paul Swydan: You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. 11:46 Russ: I’m about to go play a late, late softball game (pacific time) and I fully plan on Willson Contreas’ing my first AB no matter what the outcome. 11:46 IsIt2015Yet?: Exciting while you’re losing? 11:46 anonymous: If you bat flip a double, we get to mock you. Them’s the rules. 11:46 Paul Swydan: Yes. 11:46 Zack: Can you explain why the extra base doesn’t mean anything? It prevents the double play, at least, right? That should matter. (This is more of a question about defensive indifference than anything else) 11:46 Paul Swydan: Mocking and criticizing are not the same thing. 11:46 Dave Cameron: He got to 2nd. The difference between 2nd/3rd is 0. 11:46 Paul Swydan: I’m all for mocking. Legit criticism though is a bridge too far. For me, anyway. 11:47 Bork jr: Whatever about bat flip, kid can rake 11:47 Tyler: Arrieta’s beard just gets angrier and angrier looking 11:47 Russ: He’s 24, in his first World Series, and connected on one. Cut the kid some slack. 11:47 Paul Swydan: Arrieta is devolving into Brian Wilson territory. Someone needs to sit down and have a talk with him. 11:48 Dave Cameron: Congrats to the Tribe. 11:48 Dave Cameron: About as well as they could have hoped for that to go. 11:48 Dave Cameron: Kluber was amazing, Miller was good when it mattered, and Roberto Perez! 11:48 Dave Cameron: Thanks for hanging out, everyone. Jeff and Craig will be here tomorrow. 11:48 Paul Swydan: That was the Roberto Perez Game. 11:48 Paul Swydan: Thanks everybody!