A.J. Burnett: To Start Or Not?
When faced with a tough decision that seemingly had no great answers, Joe Girardi has decided to go with AJ Burnett as the Game 4 starting pitcher, whether the Yankees win or lose tonight against Cliff Lee.
The most popular alternative was to have CC Sabahtia pitch on short rest, taking Game 1, 4, and 7, but that wouldn’t have eliminated the need to have Burnett start unless they also asked Hughes and Petitte to pitch on short rest as well, and there are some legitimate problems with that. Hughes has never pitched on three days rest, and Pettitte has a pretty long list of arm problems in his background. Getting potentially reduced performance by both, not even factoring in Sabathia’s two starts on short rest, makes that idea unappetizing.
There are other options, however, and I’m a little bit surprised that they didn’t give those much consideration before settling on Burnett as the Game 4 starter.
Option 1 – Bullpen Game
Perhaps they’ll have a short enough leash with Burnett that this will end up being the final result anyway, but the bullpen game is an underutilized idea in the playoffs. Despite being inferior in talent level, relievers outperform starting pitchers because it is simply easier to get outs when only being asked to pitch one or two innings.
You could piece together a complete game using Dustin Moseley, Boone Logan, Joba Chamberlain, David Robertson, Kerry Wood, and Mariano Rivera, splitting up the innings so that no one throws more than 30-40 pitches and you get as many platoon advantages as you can. If the early game relievers get bombed and the game gets out of hand, you can just use Sergio Mitre to soak up the end-game innings and save your setup guys for Game 5.
Yes, you’d end up working your bullpen pretty hard and wouldn’t be in the best of shape for Game 5, but you have Sabathia going the next day and can expect him to pitch at least six innings and hope for seven or eight.
Option 2 – Start Burnett in Game 3
This essentially boils down to match-ups and attempting to leverage the most winnable games. With Cliff Lee going tonight, the Yankees are going to be underdogs no matter who takes the hill. They could have chosen to start Burnett against Lee in Game 3, lowering their chances of winning a game where they are already likely to lose, and then using Pettitte in Game 4. Rather than having a disadvantage on the mound in both Game 3 and Game 4, they could have consolidated their problems in tonight’s game in order to increase their odds of winning tomorrow’s.
The problem with this strategy is that the Game 3 starter is then on track to start Game 7, and they clearly don’t want Burnett pitching twice in the ALCS. They’d have to bring Pettitte back on short rest for Game 7, which is still not a great option. But with three days off after the ALCS ends before the start of the World Series, they’d theoretically have all hands on deck for that final game. Sabathia could be available for a couple of innings, as it would be his normal throw day, and they could simply ask Pettitte to throw fewer pitchers to compensate for the reduced rest.
I’m not sure that either of these options are clearly better than keeping everyone on their normal workloads and starting Burnett tomorrow night, but there are arguments to be made for considering them. If Burnett blows up and the Yankees find themselves down 3-1 on Wednesday, expect that decision to be the one that get second guessed all winter.
Dave is the Managing Editor of FanGraphs.
As long as they lose, I don’t care who they start.
I’m a Rangers fan, and even I rolled my eyes with this.
“If Burnett blows up and the Rangers find themselves down 3-1 on Wednesday, expect that decision to be the one that get second guessed all winter.”
That Rangers should be Yankees, no?
If they’re not going to proofread before publishing, they should at least use the strikethrough thingy to show that they fixed a mistake rather than trying to act like there wasn’t one there in the first place.
Why, exactly? Need proof of their error forever to feel better about picking the nits?
One thing that wasn’t mentioned – if they try to piece together a bullpen game, AJ Burnett would also be a part of the bullpen. Maybe this is no different than AJ going two innings and the bullpen taking over from there, but wouldn’t he play up as well if he knew he was only going out there for forty pitches?
“Rather than having a disadvantage on the mound in both Game 3 and Game 4,…”
Is Burnett really an underdog against Tommy Hunter? No offense to Hunter, but he sucks. Burnett at least has upside potential.
Well, I think Yanks have to get in today’s game, not tomorrow.
I hope Yankees can read Lee and all his repertory, just one run or two runs. I don’t know. But Pettite has to take in mind that he has to do the job. Just get near and everything could success for Yanks. Tomorrow is another day. Maybe today we can get 2-1 and tomorrow AJ shut up our mouths and get the series 3-1.
It’s baseball, everything could happen…..
But Pettite has to take in mind that he has to do the job
As oppossed to pitchers that take the mound in the playoffs thinking it isn’t the most important game of the season?
Seriously.
No one on the field is more aware of the game’s importance or the ramifications of failure than the starting pitcher.
As oppossed to pitchers that take the mound in the playoffs thinking it isn’t the most important game of the season?
Seriously.
No one on the field is more aware of the game’s importance or the ramifications of failure than the starting pitcher.
So the Yankees should burn up their long men in a series where their aces have had trouble getting through the fourth inning.
Yes. Excellent. Good analysis Dave.
Also they should use several pitchers not on the post season roster.
Consolodating your disadvantage is interesting from a fan’s point of view… but I don’t think any player or any manager would ever do it. The players and managers believe they can win any game (as well they should). In some ways, throwing your weakest pitcher against the opposing team’s strongest pitcher amounts to waving the white flag on that game before it’s even started.
Neither Nova nor Ring are on the roster, and for very good reason. This was a super terrible post, which says something given the usual quality of the “analysis” here.
The best solution seems obvious to me:
Sabathia in game 4 on short rest
Burnett in game 5
Hughes in game 6 on full rest
Sabathia in game 7 on short rest with a very quick hook. Pettitte relieves CC if there are any command issues like in game 1.
from the way i see see it Cc should start on short rest if they lose. AJ vs hunter is a like a flip of a coin where both suck and it’ll be on the offenses to outscore each other. While CC vs hunter will heavily favor the yanks and potenially bring the series back to a 2-2 tie.
AJ on a short leash in Game 4 is fine. Yanks should score plenty off Hunter so I’m fine risking Bad AJ showing up as long as Girardi is quick to hook. Hopefully Pettitte goes atleast 6 tonight so the middle relief is rested.
what makes this post suck the most, dave some of the “bullpen game” guys you listed aren’t even on the 25 man roster for the ALCS.
open a browser first, look at the roster, then try again.
This is literally something you would hear on a sports radio talk show, roster inaccuracies and all. I expect more out of Fangraphs, but maybe I should change that.
You should. I watched every game Hunter pitched this year, and I can tell you he’s adequate at best, shitty at worst.
Dave says “Rather than having a disadvantage on the mound in both Game 3 and Game 4″….. and I’m like whaaaaat?
Using this very site’s metrics, Hunter has a higher FIP than AJ, AND AJ is pitching at home. So in fact, the pitcher with more postseason experience, a lower FIP, and pitching at home is somehow at a “disadvantage”.
::sigh:: …… The Fangraphs decline continues….
Decline? Seems a bit harsh to me. Even if the roster inaccuracies are there, the point is the same. Replace Nova with Moseley and Ring with Mitre and the effect of the article is the same.
It’s still a terrible point even with the right names.
Yes, decline. Even ignoring the roster inaccuries (which honestly shouldn’t be), I think Fangraphs lately just always says something out of left field just to be different. This seems like one of those times.
I disagree. There is ample evidence that pitchers are better in relief. If Burnett knew he only had to go through the order once he would probably be a little more effective, as would Moseley, Chambelain, Robertson, etc.
How would Burnett knowing he only had to go through the order once help him with the problems he’s had this year, which has a lot to do with his command?
I don’t think he would be able to get his curve over for strikes just because he came out of the pen or was only facing each batter once in the game.
oh yeah, #6org too
The Burnett start is essentially a bullpen start, if you assume Girardi will have a quick hook and won’t let him gascan the game away if he is awful early
The only difference is the upside that he does somehow have a game like Game 2 of the 09 WS and can go 7 shutdown innings
We have Tommy Hunter pitching on the road against the best offense in baseball. That’s the upside for the Yankees.
Bullpen game? The dumbest idea ever. Which is the norm at fangraphs
And yet here you are, reading (or having someone read it to you) and commenting!
EXACTLY!
The other problem with a bullpen game is you need four or five guys to all be good on the same night. If just one of them is off he can blow the whole game for you. If someone gets into trouble the manager has fewer options to bail him out with. It’s almost like hoping to win a parlay bet.
Bill James made this point years ago. Not sure if he was talking about LaRussa or someone else, but he did say something about using a bunch of relievers makes it more likely you’ll run into one that just doesn’t have it on a given night.
I don’t see how Burnett could pitch much worse than Hughes or Sabathia did in Games 1 and 2. With the very hittable Tommy Hunter going for the Rangers, the Yankees have a chance to out-slug the Rangers in this one. Surely both starters will be on short leashes. It is pathetic that Burnett is only in the second year of his $80-or-so-million deal, yet can scarcely be trusted to start a single game in the playoffs.
Even if the plan is to have a bullpen day, which I can’t see the Yankees doing under any circumstances, why not start Burnett and just have a really, really short leash?
Given K rates and the like, he’s a better bet than your back of the pen guys to get through an inning or two.
Burnett will pitch 7.1 innings, striking out 9 and walking 1, but still lose 1-0.
He will give up a bloop triple to Bengie Molina who will score on a suicide squeeze.
Tommy Hunter will pitch 8.0 innings striking out 2, walking 7 and give up 6 hits.
It will be awesome.