A Visual Scouting Primer: Pitching, Part One

Scouting is a complex process. Sure, subjectivity and personal preference are biases that will always color the approach scouts take during the evaluation process. But beyond that, the task of describing in words how players differ, and what context is relevant during each player’s individual evaluation, is an entirely different type of challenge than just separating the “good” from the “bad.”
When writing scouting reports, I’m often reminded of a thought experiment that was introduced to me in an undergraduate linguistics class, wherein the professor had us each imagine a bowl of oranges on a kitchen counter. He then asked us how we would approach the task of going into another room and describing one specific orange in that bowl, such that the person we were talking to, having not previously seen the bowl of oranges, could go into the kitchen and successfully select the orange we were describing. The limits of language were clearly illustrated by this exercise. Assuming there weren’t any obviously different oranges (no tangelos or satsumas to make our delineation clear), it required us to avoid terms like “more orange” or “less squishy” because those terms lose meaning without an agreed upon reference point.
Now, baseball prospects obviously aren’t oranges, but trying to evaluate them can also leave us grasping for common language. In sifting through our prospect rankings, certain terms begin to stand out as scouting mainstays, phrases that have emerged over time in order to help describe the nuanced qualities and characteristics that make up a player’s overall profile. But without matching images to those terms, it can be hard to understand what they mean. So with that in mind, here is my attempt at bridging the gap and bringing more specific meaning to scouting terminology by way of video illustration.
This will be an ongoing series; ultimately, the aim is to build a robust video glossary that can serve as a useful supplement to the innumerable scouting reports we churn out each year. Today, we’re focusing on pitching. More specifically, we’re talking about the body movements of pitchers, and how we tend to describe them in words. These terms probably won’t be foreign to you. They might not even need much explanation; FanGraphs readers are a self-selecting group that tends to have a good grasp on these things. But by using video to illustrate these well-known terms, I’m hoping to aid in your digestion of our scouting reports moving forward; to retrieve the right orange, as it were.
So without further ado, let’s get into it.
Arm Slot
Sometimes referred to as a pitcher’s arm angle, arm slots are easy to understand. It all comes down to where a pitcher’s throwing hand is when he releases a pitch. The subcategories are easy to understand as well, with “overhand” (or “over the top”) being the highest and “submarine” being the lowest. Tread Athletics has a more rigid definition for these terms, including the exact measurable angle of a pitcher’s arm as compared with a straight vertical line (which makes sense, as their focus is more on sports science and coaching mechanics rather than scouting). But we’re leaving the protractor out of this and will simply refer to how the angle looks to the naked eye.
Here are some video examples of the various arm slots you’ll see us refer to in our scouting write-ups:
Overhand: Simeon Woods Richardson
High Three-Quarter: Maddux Bruns
True Three-Quarter: Landon Roupp
Low Three-Quarter: Ricky Tiedemann
Sidearm: Carson Palmquist
Submarine: Tyler Rogers
Arm Action
Unlike arm angle, which describes where the ball is released, arm action describes the path the arm takes to reach that release point. It largely boils down to how far a pitcher’s throwing arm gets extended behind his body before he brings it up to his release point. For the most part, arm action is broken down into the obvious subcategories of “long” and “short,” with a ton of “medium” filling in the gaps between those two extremes.
Some pitchers reach back and straighten their arm downward before bringing it up, as illustrated here:
Long: Griff McGarry
While Griff McGarry’s arm is nearly straight at its lowest point during his windup, pitchers with shorter arm actions keep their arms bent behind their upper body, with their wrist never reaching below their chest, as seen here:
Short: Lucas Giolito
Lucas Giolito is something of a poster boy for this type of arm action. While he was struggling to realize his potential as a top pitching prospect, Giolito found great success in shortening up his arm action. It’s usually most notable when a pitcher’s arm action falls on one end of that spectrum or the other, and it’s often easy to spot when a player undergoes a mechanical adjustment that takes him to the other end of the spectrum, like Giolito did. But lest shortening up be seen as a magic bullet for fixing command or injury prone-ness, it should be noted that other pitchers have made similar adjustments without seeing the same stellar results. For example, A.J. Alexy has undergone a similar adjustment to Giolito’s, but while the shortened arm action provided a road map to Cy Young contention for Giolito, Alexy’s struggles are still ongoing.
Shortened Over Time: A.J. Alexy
Drop-and-Drive vs. Tall-and-Fall
These terms refer to how much power a pitcher generates from his lower body.
A drop-and-drive delivery refers to one where the pitcher uses his lower body to create much of the power by pushing hard off the rubber with his back leg. This can also be referred to as “getting into his legs.” It’s characterized by a deep leg bend, followed by a long, powerful stride toward the mound as a way to supplement what his upper body is doing.
Drop-and-Drive: Xzavion Curry
As the video shows, Xzavion Curry’s back leg is at an almost 90 degree angle when he starts his momentum toward the plate.
Conversely, a tall-and-fall delivery is exactly what it sounds like: The pitcher maintains vertical length throughout his delivery, and barely bends his back leg at all, instead relying on his height and gravity to enhance the power created by his upper body. It’s no surprise that this is most obvious when describing an especially tall pitcher.
Tall-and-Fall: Sean Hjelle
As you can see, Sean Hjelle hardly bends his back leg at all as he moves toward the plate, painting a stark contrast to someone like Curry.
Repeatable Delivery
One thing that comes up a lot when describing a prospect is how repeatable or “smooth” his mechanics are. No matter what mechanics are employed, pitching is inherently hard on the human body. But smoothness and repeatability are seen as ways to help mitigate the damage pitching does to the body, and they bolster confidence that the results a pitcher gets with his mechanics will be sustainable as he continues to develop.
Repeatable Delivery: Owen Murphy
The above video shows three consecutive pitches that Owen Murphy threw during a game in 2023. His mechanics are virtually identical in all three instances, to the point that an overlay of these three pitches reveals virtually no deviation in his mechanics.
Murphy’s body type is relatively compact, which makes it easier for him to maintain this repeatability and smoothness. It’s more impressive when a tall, lanky pitcher is able to do this, which is one of the reasons why Eury Perez was so highly touted as a prospect.
Repeatable Delivery: Eury Perez
Violent Delivery
Whereas a repeatable delivery is one that helps mitigate the physical stress pitching puts on the body, a violent delivery is one that fails to do so, or perhaps even exacerbates these stresses. The term “violent” is a tricky one to define, as it can mean any number of deviations from traditional mechanics that create added physical stress. And while it can inspire concerns regarding a player’s durability, the “violence” in a delivery is often what creates top-level velocities, which means it may not always be something that a player is aiming to do away with entirely. It is also something of an umbrella term, so illustrating it with video is not easy; the below examples are not comprehensive, and may be added to in subsequent installments of this series.
There are many factors that could result in a pitcher’s delivery being deemed “violent.” Here are just a few examples:
Flailing Limbs: Hans Crouse
It’s not hard to understand why Hans Crouse’s delivery is described as violent. His limbs flail and his head bobbles about, and very little of his mechanical approach is anywhere close to repeatable. In fact, here is an overlay of two back-to-back pitches he threw last season:
As you can see, it’s a far cry from the repeatability of Murphy or Perez.
Head Whack: Cole Henry
Head whack is another term you’ll often see used when describing the violence in a pitcher’s delivery. It’s a relatively easy thing to spot and is exactly what it sounds like: the pitcher’s head moves abruptly as he throws the ball. In Cole Henry’s case, it’s so extreme his hat often falls off his head during his delivery.
Cross-Body Delivery: Freddy Peralta
A cross-body delivery can be valuable to a pitcher, in that it adds deception that makes it difficult for hitters to pick up on the ball as the pitcher releases it. In Peralta’s case, he starts with his feet in the middle of the rubber, but his front foot lands well toward the third base side of the mound, in a way that hides the ball effectively but adds stress to his upper body as his arm whips across his torso.
Arm Timing: Mason Miller
Some types of violence in pitching deliveries are harder to spot. Typically, violence refers to the way a pitcher’s body moves after his front foot lands, and what type of stress those movements put on his body. In Mason Miller’s case, it largely comes down to how he times his arm with the rest of his body.
When his foot lands, the forearm of his pitching arm isn’t yet parallel with the ground below him, with his wrist still noticeably lower than his elbow. This requires him to create late, explosive arm speed in a way that has to be very hard on his joints, with some scouts pointing to it as the reason why he’s had trouble staying healthy.
Stiff Lower Body: Reese Olson
At foot-strike, Reese Olson’s arm isn’t dipping below parallel like Miller’s, but his stiff lower half requires him to compensate by generating virtually all of his power using his upper body in order to reach his typical mid-90s fastball velocity. This adds stress to his upper half, and causes concerns regarding the likelihood that he’ll be plauged with injuries in a similar way to Miller.
Hip/Shoulder Separation: Jairo Iriarte
The violence in Jairo Iriarte’s delivery has to do with his hip/shoulder separation, which is ostensibly a good thing, as it’s what generates the torque that allows him to hit the upper 90s with his fastball. When his foot lands, his hips are square to the plate, but his chest is still facing the shortstop in a way that seems impossible when it’s isolated in a freeze-frame, but which is likely a necessary element to his success.
It’s hard to say that the various types of violence in Miller, Olson, or Iriarte’s respective deliveries should be removed entirely, as they are likely significant contributors to their top-end velocities. Instead, we tend to see violence as a reason a pitcher may end up being better suited for a high-impact relief role rather than the starting rotation, so as to mitigate the violence in their deliveries by way of requiring fewer in-game reps.
That’ll do it for today’s introduction to our video glossary. I hope it helped to illuminate the meaning of the words we use to make these types of oranges-to-oranges player comparisons. Of course, this barely scratches the surface of pitching terminology, let alone the language used to describe hitting. Keep an eye out for future installments, with more definitions and helpful GIFs to aid in your enjoyment and understanding of the countless scouting reports to come.
Tess is a contributor at FanGraphs. When she's not watching college or professional baseball, she works as a sports video editor, creating highlight reels for high school athletes. She can be found on Twitter at @tesstass.
Love this piece. I read and listen to a lot of prospect content, and without a baseball background myself, Im often lost on terms. This is extremely helpful, thank you.
I have wanted an article like this for years. Thank you!
I think I’ve come across all of these terms before but it’s super helpful to have them all in one place so I know where to find it!
This is a phenomenally cool and helpful piece
This is so, so, so cool!
Absolutely brilliant stuff, Tess!
5 stars, no notes.
What a great post! Chiming in with everyone else, it’s really helpful to see all these scouting terms I’ve heard illustrated in a way that makes it easier to understand them.
The Jairo Iriarte freeze-frame makes me think that one way to think about hip-shoulder separation may be the notorious comic-book “Strong Female Character” pose, in which the chest and backside are improbably both visible at once.
Excellent.
Great article!
Fuego
Great article, and definitely a great start to hopefully a bunch of details about similar hitting mechanic terms, pitch shape and grips, etc.
Fantastic piece! I wonder if, similar to the arm stroke shortening, there are instances of tall and fall pitchers being converted to drop and drive or vice versa?
I’d also be really interested if there’s any correlation between mechanical style and effectiveness from the stretch – just looking at Nolan Ryan, Javy Vazquez, Spencer Strider, etc.
This is a fantastic article and a great idea! I have a feeling this will be pinned (along with its descendants) to the prospects tab for years to come.
Holy moley this is great. Thank you.
Is “cross-body” the same thing as “cross-fire”? Does it create deception because it increases the time the ball is hidden behind the body?
Also, this might be covered in part two, but is the landing position (think K-Rod vs Bartolo Colon) part of scouting? Does it really matter other than for fielding?
Great article!
Yes cross body and cross fire describe the same thing. It does add deception, hiding the ball well, particularly to same sided hitters. The potential cons include vulnerability to opposite handed hitters and increased difficulty throwing to both sides of the plate. I believe these are why you see this motion more often in relievers than starters of Freddy Peralta’s caliber.
I personally found that throwing cross body allowed me to get more spin on the ball an my breaking pitches had more snap as opposed to being more looping, if that makes sense.
Freddy Peralta when he first came up is a good example of how several of these descriptions of “mechanical violence” can be related to each other. When Peralta first came up, he practically fell down the mound as he released, creating something like the “flailing limbs” issue. He’s really dialed it in lately, but it’s not surprising the cross-body deliveries are more common among relievers. It can be hard to repeat.
What an excellent piece, both detailed yet concise within each example.
Fantastic article, thank you for this!
Question. I remember back in the mid 00s visiting viva el birdos (Cardinals SBNation site) quite a bit and there was a guy there who used the term ‘inverted W’ to describe a problematic mechanic many pitchers have. Is there anything to that idea or has it been debunked long ago?
I’d also like to know what the current thought is regarding the “inverted W.” I don’t hear that term much anymore. It seems to be evidence of the arm being late, as seen in the Mason Miller evaluation above. But maybe not in every case??
Chris O’Leary! Haven’t thought about that guy in years.
I remember him having some reasonable ideas about arm timing being an injury risk, but also going a little too far and insisting that if anyone he worked with got injuried it was because they’d made mechanical errors only visible in hindsight
The inverted W is also blamed for Mark Prior’s struggles to keep his shoulder healthy
I’m no expert, but I recall hearing that the inverted W having a greater likelihood of injuries has been debunked.
I think it depends on who you listen too. Some people will straight up call it a myth while others think its more of a problem.
What I found funny was how it was called the “inverted W”. Isnt that just, you know, an M?I guess inverted W sounds fancier? lol.
O’Leary said he called it an M before inverted W caught on. But he also pointed out that inverted W is a little more evocative of the diagonal shape rather than straight-sided. (I was trying to illustrate this with slashes but they did not come through.)
I don’t know what it is, but something about Giolito’s delivery reminds of the arm action Jim Abbott would use to relocate his glove to his throwing hand.
Agree with the rest of the comments. Very useful and interesting article.
Like everyone else, I really liked this article. What made it really awesome was the use of the second gif that slowed or paused at the critical moment of the movement.
That Hans Crouse gif is art.
Visuals and demonstratives are so helpful. This stuff is great.
I’m glad I pay/support Fangraphs. More articles like this, please.
this site is geting so great
Tim McCarver said it best: What is a drop and drive pitcher? He is a guy who drops and drives. Very simple.
And yet he could never pronounce the name of his favorite player, Bernie Wee-ums.
This is fantastic stuff, thank you! Looking forward to the subsequent articles.
I’d sure love to see Cole Henry hit.
“Whereas a repeatable delivery is one that helps mitigate the physical stress pitching puts on the body”
Is there data to support this?
Amazing article. You and Eric are incredible.
Masterclass, thanks Tess
This article was great! Been a long time reader and I’ve had guesses to what a lot of the terminology meant, but it’s really great to see it explicitly shown.
This is fantastic.
This is such a great article. While I was aware of most of these terms, some (hip and shoulder separation, for example) were easily clarified and it is still nice to have examples for the ones I already know.
Question: I’m aware of the crossfire delivery already, but is there a phrase for pitchers that open up in their delivery when planting their foot? I don’t think I’ve ever seen any phrase used to describe that.
Echoing everyone else, this is so great. Even if you know what the terms mean having direct video of each one is *chefs kiss*
On a personal note, it also explains why I’m 42 years old and have a shoulder made of junk. Pretty much every “bad” pitching motion, I had haha.
I’m 29 and also have a shoulder made of junk…but I added years of butterfly to bad throwing mechanics in RF.
Me too but it’s my elbow. Long arm action (w/drop+drive), violent unrepeatable delivery, late arm timing, flailing limbs, not to mention a weird follow through. Hard to believe my command was butt despite decent stuff.
Yeah. I wish the internet was around back when I was growing up (well, this part of the internet at least, the rest not so much) because we just sort of stumbled around in the dark for the most part.
Even when we sort of knew something was wrong we didnt really know what to do about it. Like I had no idea what “late arm timing” was but I knew my arm should probably be going forward at the same time as my body. I had never heard of “drop and drive” but I figured that if you push off with your legs you could generate more power. But trying to figure out how to fix your delivery on your own when your 11 or 12…good luck. And back then your “coach” was probably just some other players dad lol.
The amount of info kids/coaches have these days at their literal finger tips makes me so jealous.
Something that came up when I first read this piece: I think I’ve seen a lot of high three-quarters deliveries lately. I do not recall if I have always seen a lot of high three-quarters deliveries or if this is a recent thing. Or if this is just a biased sample because I just happened to go on days that high three-quarters guys were starting.
I think that in the past I might have had difficulty distinguishing between the high three-quarters and true three-quarters delivery, so maybe I’m just mentally running them together.
High 3 quarters is pretty much the default these days. The other ones get mentioned more because they’re different from the norm.
I don’t know shit about shit, but Eury’s delivery looks beautiful.
Awesome article!
“Giolito found great success…”
Thanks to Sasha Baron Cohen, I will probably always hear this phrasing as a Borat joke. (Are we still doing phrasing?)
As a long arm action thrower (I’m short with long arms so I have to maximize the levers), the Giolito video makes my whole arm hurt. Keith Foulke used to put the ball behind his ear and throw a dart like he was playing wiffle ball.
Tim Lincecum was very Tall and Fall but he’s vertically challenged – Small and Fall!
Hip Shoulder Separation: Tim Hudson is probably the GOAT at this. Pedro was also impressive. It’s usually how they’re doing it (throwing hard) if they look like they shouldn’t be able to do it.
Head Whack (see my other comment about phrasing) – “This is why Max Scherzer will not reach his projected ceiling.” a lot of people 20 years ago. It’s still ugly to watch, sarcasm aside.
Mike Hampton was always hard for me to watch. It’s the combination of the stiff lower body and short arm action (plus lefties just being weird) that’s so unaesthetic.
Given recent news about MLB cracking down on obstruction, now do one showing how Donaldson blocks the bag like an oaf while Javy Baez is El Mago with the glove hand.
I mostly played 2B/3B and remember the year (13 y/o) we switched to metal cleats and 90 foot bases. I played mainly 3rd that year and the throw suddenly becoming long AF was less traumatic than realizing I can’t just make them slide right into my foot/ankle anymore (without cost). In the rubber cleat years, I would routinely block the base pre-throw, because why not?
Luckily the high tag didn’t change when people started feeling too comfortable around my base. How does the ball taste, guy coming in hot?
I could just thumbs up all these comments but I’d also like to add to the volume of appreciation. This is incredible, Tess.
This is really terrific and incredibly helpful. Great piece!
Very cool article! I’m curious whether a violent pitcher’s delivery is a coachable aspect or is typically set in stone. If it is coachable, I don’t see why teams wouldn’t step in to mitigate these, especially for injury risk.
Really well done.In addition to his crossbody, I believe Peralta also has above average “extension” which I have a vague idea of what that entails.
This is really great stuff.