Another Way of Evaluating AL/NL (Dis)Parity

It’s time for interleague play, again. Even moreso than the interminable disputes about which “style of play” is aesthetically superior, complaining about fairness of the presence/lack of the DH in away games, perhaps the most contentious debate among many fans (contentious despite the overwhelming evidence on one side) is that interleague play proves that the American League has been significantly stronger than the National League for at least a decade, no matter what this fine representative of the Best Fans in Baseball believes:

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The American League’s domination of interleague for an extended period of time is good evidence for its superiority, whatever the causes of that superiority might be. However, some will point to individual players as being independent demonstrations. For example, Matt Holliday was a great hitter with the Rockies through 2008. He started the 2009 season in Oakland and “struggled” relative to what he’d done before. Some people attributed that simply to him being a product of Coors Field (sigh), but when he was traded to St. Louis, he started raking at almost the same level. It must be the league, right?

Or how about Pat Burrell, who came off a number of successful seasons in Philadelphia, signed with Tampa Bay, then bombed so badly for a season-and-a-half the Rays let him go for nothing in 2010. He then signed with San Francisco and tore the cover off the ball to help the Giants on their way to a World Series Championship.

Naturally, it is silly to argue from individual cases to a league-wide issue. However, I wondered if taking all the cases like Holliday’s and Burrell’s and putting them together might show us something about the relative strength of leagues, both now and in the past.

I simply took all the players who, like Burrell in 2010 and Holliday in 2009, had hit in both leagues during a given season (due to a trade, being released then picked up, etc.) and compared their wRC+ (helpfully park-adjusted and set so that the league average is always 100) in each league during that season. We want to get a “group picture,” so I took all the players who did so (excluding pitchers) and got the wRC+ for each group in each league (each player is weighted by his plate appearances). If one group hit better in one league, that might indicate that league is weaker. There are limits to this approach, (more on the limits below), but at least by looking at same year performance we mostly don’t have to worry about taking player aging into account. I did this for every season from 1960 through 2010. Here is a graph of the results (click to enlarge):

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One thing to remember when reading this graph: if the reading is “higher” for one league, that (might) be taken to mean that the league is weaker. In recent years, hitters who hit in both leagues during a single season have hit better in the National League rather than the American League, although in 2010 they hit almost exactly the same (87 wRC+ in the AL, 89 wRC+ in the NL). But the previous history is also interesting because there was no interleague play in that period. I originally had a number of charts with ratios, moving averages, and the like, but found it too cluttered.

A more simplistic, but hopefully still illustrative approach for looking at this history is to take bigger chunks of time. I took the same pool of players, but grouped them into pseudo-decades by 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, and 2000s. (I say “pseudo-decades” because I counted, e.g., 1960-1969 as a “decade,” and decades really start in year “1” not 0, and that 2010 gets grouped in with the 2000s, but given that this is an admittedly crude approach to get an overview. I don’t remember why I did it this way, but I was too lazy to go back and change it. I don’t think it hurts the overall perspective we’re trying to get.) Once again, click to enlarge:

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When looking at both graphs, this corresponds pretty well with other accounts of relative league strength I’ve read. For the past couple of decades (at least since expansion), hitters who played in both leagues during a season generally have had an easier time of it in the National League. They did in the 1980s overall, too, although not as much, and not at the beginning of that decade. The National League was clearly better in the 1970s. I was a bit surprised by the 1960s, since I’ve read that the National League was stronger (in part due to the linger effects of the more rapid racial integration of the Senior Circuit). I don’t know what to say about that, but wanted to point it out.

There are limits as to what this actually tells us. I didn’t do the same thing for pitchers because that is much more complicated (two examples: a) separating performances as starters and relievers for players who did one with one team and then switched when traded; b) redoing all the stats to exclude pitching against pitchers in the National League). What I’ve done here doesn’t tell us if the difference was because the hitters in the stronger league were better or the pitchers in the weaker league were worse. Moreover, by itself it doesn’t prove one league was better over one season or multiple seasons. Looking at the data, you can see the relativelly small sample of players who hit on both leagues, particularly prior to the 1990s. For use in e.g., a projection system, one would also need to include regression, enlarge the sample by using multiple years (which means taking aging into account), and brings up some of the issues brought up by MGL.

Having said all of that, I do think this at least demonstrates that there is evidence other than interleague play for the American League’s current (and perhaps fading?) superiority… and that it hasn’t always been the case.

[One last note: I started in 1960 because some of the wRC+ [wOBA] components such as caught stealings and intentional balls (which are excluded from wOBA calculations) aren’t tracked until the mid-1950s, and I wanted to do the “whole decades” approach.]





Matt Klaassen reads and writes obituaries in the Greater Toronto Area. If you can't get enough of him, follow him on Twitter.

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MikeS
15 years ago

I’ve seen the “moran” pic a million times, this was the first time I ever noticed he’s a Cardinals fan.

joser
15 years ago
Reply to  MikeS

I think I’ve always assumed he was a Cardinals football fan, just because the rest of the scene looks like Arizona.

What I really never noticed before, however, is that the kid behind him is wearing a Mariners shirt (and what look like Lakers shorts). Which actually make it even more likely this is Arizona.

RoyaleWithCheese
15 years ago
Reply to  joser

It might be Arizona, but that’s definitely a St. Louis Cardinals shirt.

Tom Glavine
15 years ago

I don’t think I’m going out on much of a limb to say the NL has a better interleague record than the AL in 2011.

EliasMember since 2023
15 years ago

neat work. another concern with this approach is the need to understand *why* players switch leagues. if players tend to go from AL to NL because they stunk in the AL, regression would lead to bias. one way to explore this would be to look at AL to NL switchers separately from NL to AL switchers. also do more players switch from AL to NL than to NL from AL?

phoenix2042
15 years ago
Reply to  Elias

I’m guessing that it’s the exact same number. i mean if you switch to the NL from the AL, it’s the same as switching from the AL to the NL right?

hk
15 years ago
Reply to  phoenix2042

Not necessarily, because hitters moving between league is not a zero sum game. For instance, I don’t remember the other transactions that accompanied Burrell’s move from TB to SF last year, but if TB promoted someone from the minors to replace Burrell and SF demoted someone to the minors to make room for him, it’s +1 hitter to the NL. An inter-league trade where a pitcher is traded for a hitter is another example where the number doesn’t have to be the exact same.

Barkey Walker
15 years ago
Reply to  phoenix2042

Yes, except for the possibility of being traded for a move to DH, or PH in the NL where those have more value because pitchers are good candidates for them.

Jacob Jackson
15 years ago

No disagreement here about AL superiority over the past ~5 years, as evidenced by those interleague play stats. I wrote an article on it about a year ago, and what I found was that the AL is basically a 100-win team, .600 ball, when it plays the NL over that span.

Another interesting note is salary disparity. As of about a year (again, about the time that I did the research for an article), the average AL payroll was, on average, $10M higher than the average NL payroll. One could argue that this is due largely to the overwhelming presence of the Yankees and Red Sox, but I also think that having an “extra starter” – the DH position – factors in here as well. AL teams can justify paying for one more starting player. And clearly you are going to pay a starting DH more than you would pay the typical top NL bench-player. (Although, perhaps that logic is starting to shift, giving the declining performance of aging true DH’s the past few years in the post-steroid era, and the increasing importance of good bench players).

However, I think this phenomenon may reach a tipping point, if it hasn’t already. Elite pitchers want to sign in the NL. It helps their legacy. They know that it’s easier to pitch in the NL, and that they’ll record more strikeouts, a lower ERA, a better WHIP, etc. Not only does it help their legacy and their Hall of Fame chances, but even increases their QUALITY OF LIFE – because everyone wants to feel that they’ve met expectations, and that their employer and the home fans are satisfied with them. Quite frankly, it’s easier to do that for an elite guy in the NL. Not coincidentally, we’ve seen Cliff Lee and Roy Halladay both make that decision (NL), even though they both left money on the table to do so. I suspect that trend will continue, and if a very good NL team offers Sabathia something close to Yankee money, I think he may take it.

So, my point is, if great players are realizing that it’s easier to remain superficially “great” in the NL, or to stave off a decline phase, than they should and will continue to prefer signing in the NL, which will ultimately help the NL play on an even keel with the AL once again.

BascinatorMember since 2022
15 years ago
Reply to  Jacob Jackson

Do you happen do know what the difference in median AL payrolls vs. median NL payrolls? Seems to me that the Yankees and Red Sox would be outliers that may drive the AL mean payrolls up.

hk
15 years ago
Reply to  Jacob Jackson

I am not so sure that Halladay and Lee chose PHI to secure their legacies. Those guys, Halladay in particular, was building a nice legacy where he was and it was enhanced by the fact that he was compiling it while pitching in the AL East. It’s possible that they moved to PHI because they saw a better opportunity to pitch in the post-season and maybe win a title. Also, Lee did not really leave much (if any) money on the table to sign with PHI. He will either earn $120M for 5 years ($24M AAV) and become a free agent after the 2015 season or $135M for 6 years ($22.5M AAV) if the Phillies pick up his 2016 option.

Phil
15 years ago

Haha, not anymore

MGL
15 years ago

“What I’ve done here doesn’t tell us if the difference was because the hitters in the stronger league were better or the pitchers in the weaker league were worse.”

Not true. As long as you use a league relative stat, like wRC+, it doesn’t matter what the difference in pitching is.

If a player is an average batter in one league, wRC+ of 100, and is a 90 in another league, then the overall hitting quality of the other league is better, regardless of the relative quality of pitching in both leagues.

This is why you MUST use a league relative stat like wOBA+, wRC+, or OPS+. If you use any absolute stat, then any differences will be due to pitching, parks, weather, etc., and will have nothing to do with the relative quality of the hitting.

So you did it exactly correct.

You can easily do the same thing with pitching. Just use ERA+. The DH or the fact that pitchers in the NL face doesn’t matter. You do have to make sure that you compare starters with starters and relievers with relievers, but if your samples are large enough, you probably don’t need to worry about that.

brendan
15 years ago

Doesn’t the use of the DH in the AL skew the results here, making the average wRC+ higher in the AL? Should we exclude both pitchers and DHs to do the comparison?

That is, for player X, shouldn’t we expect that he is better relative to the average hitter in a DH-less league than in a DH league? If the average hitter in the AL were comparable to the average NL hitter, that would mean AL teams picked their DHs poorly, correct?

Please No
15 years ago

“I say “pseudo-decades” because I counted, e.g., 1960-1969 as a “decade,” and decades really start in year “1? not 0”

Not this argument again. Decades are any continuous 10-year period. They can start and end whenever you want to define them. So for the sake of everyone’s sanity, can we just say the decade of the 60’s is 1960-1969?

Convenience >> Useless Formality

Oh yeah: AL has been better than the NL, but the balance is shifting. I think this year or next year will be the final tipping point.

Antonio Bananas
15 years ago

The AL has fewer teams. Doesn’t that change the analysis? Not only that but taems aren’t exactly matched up by win percentage. Not only that but the said unfairness of an AL team playing under NL rules and vice versa means it’s not a good sample to begin with. Some years I do think you can say that one league is better than the other, like if the win percentage is .600 or something.

Why the hell don’t we just use normal statistical measurements like confidence intervals and variance? If the AL has a win % of .500-.550 every year, I don’t think that’s significant enough given the variables to say that the AL is better.

Antonio Bananas
15 years ago

Also, using players switching leagues is a bad idea too. The NL has much better pitching, the AL has much better hitting, this year. It changes year to year, scouting reports, field sizes, weather, how the player is feeling. It’s dumb to say “well player X hit better in the NL that means their pitching is worse”. There are too many variables. Variables variables variables. It’s why a lot of the stats used on here are worthless.

GrouchoM
15 years ago

*yawn*

Yet another attempt at proving the superiority of the AL that only proves the author’s inherent bias. It’s amazing how significant less than 10% of a season is … Keep promulgating the myth dude.

joser
15 years ago
Reply to  GrouchoM

It’s amazing how often a post beginning with “yawn” isn’t worth reading.

Jeff
15 years ago

I think a good article would be about home-field advantage in interleague play. Do the new set of rules translate to a bigger home field advantage than one would expect in a typical intraleague game?

Candlestick Parker
15 years ago

On one the things holding back the NL this past decade has been the gross mismanagement of its 3 largest market teams.

Mets, Cubs and Dodgers each have resources to run organizations comparable to the Red Sox. But they’ve been either too cheap or too stupid to do so. That’s great if you’re a Phillies, Cardinals or Giants fan like me, but the effect on the league’s overall strength has been very negative.

shoewizard
15 years ago

This. Just compare the number of playoff games participated in over the last 10 years by the Yankees/Angels/White Sox compared to the Mets/Dodgers/Cubs

The Yankees have been driving the bus in the AL with their huge payrolls, and the other teams in the league have to spend a more and/or be much smarter about how they go about things to compete. Fortunately for the other teams in the AL, the Yankees make a lot of bad decisions too.

Anthony
15 years ago
Reply to  shoewizard

There are just so many variables. The uneven amount of teams in each league, the “natural rivalries”. The streak nature of baseball.

Like I said, you can’t just say “the AL won more games, it’s the better league”. Why don’t we just use a confidence interval along with variation to see if the AL’s win percentage is significant enough to make a case? It makes the most sense. Then again, in the saber community things tend to get overly complicated at times. Einstein said that genius isn’t making simple things complex, but making complex things simple. I think we could simplify a LOT using somewhat basic statistical measurements like variance.

CircleChange11
15 years ago

Like I said, you can’t just say “the AL won more games, it’s the better league”.

Why not?

Are we going to use who “should have won more games”?

When you’re talking multiple seasons, all teams, etc … I think you can, actually, say “The AL has won more interleague games, they’re the better league”.

IMHO, we start believing our own bullpoop when we start looking for ways to ignore on-field results.

Using your quote of Einstein, the simplest way to look at this complex situation is to look at W-L over the last X years.

The AL has been the dominant league for the last few+ years. I didn’t think it was being contested.

I do think, however, that it is more balanced out this year, with the amount of talent that moved from the AL to the NL, unless this site is changing it’s stance on Halladay, Lee, Greinke, etc.

CircleChange11
15 years ago

Damn, of all the t-shirts at the $0.15 table at last Saturday’s rummage sale … THIS guy has to pick up the Cardinals t-shirt.

GO USA.

designated quitter
15 years ago

Is the guy in the picture telling the Moran family to get a brain, or are they signing their “Get A Brain” sign as “The Moran family?”

I’m more troubled by the “Go USA” sign. Where are we supposed to go?

What does the chubby little girl’s sign say? “Free Ri..” Is this for some political prisoner? Free Rice and beans?

The AL East has been carrying the American League (add Tampa Bay to NY and Boston for the last few years) and the East is down this year. Things are more even, whatever the reason

joeIQ
15 years ago

A decade is a span of 10 years. doesn’t have end point requirements.

joeIQ
15 years ago

It seems that only very bad hitters would be dropped. Mostly likely any player bad enough to get dropped would improve. So which direction did more people follow?

If the numbers are not exactly even, I would propose that whichever side dropped more players would likely have lower wRC+ from those players than their performance in the other league.

Or rather, which league got more at bats post drop, and who got more at bats pre-drop.