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Dave Cameron FanGraphs Chat – 2/10/16

12:00
Dave Cameron: Alright, it’s Wednesday, and spring training is around the corner. Let’s talk lukewarm stove and the upcoming season.

12:01
Joe: Who do you like better for the White Sox: Latos or Gallardo?

12:02
Dave Cameron: At the price Latos got, he’s a pretty clear pick, but I think it’s worth noting that in a market starved for pitching, no one else wanted the guy. I’m not a big believer in paying for chemistry, but when 29 teams decide they just don’t want this dude on their team, there’s a decent chance he’s a more destructive force than the typical “bad makeup” guy.

12:03
Michael Brantley: The difference between me playing on opening day and being out until 5-1 is how many wins for the Indians?

12:03
Dave Cameron: If you only miss a month, less than a win. But I’d bet you’re out longer than that.

12:04
klof: At this point would the Cubs prefer to sign Fowler on a cheap one year deal as a 4th OF or get the compensation pick when another team signs him? How low would Fowler’s asking price have to come down for this to make sense for the Cubs?

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Let’s Craft an Extension for Jose Bautista

Last night, the Jays avoided arbitration with Josh Donaldson, agreeing to a two year deal that gives him nearly $29 million in guaranteed income, and helps the team avoid a second huge raise next year if Donaldson has another great year. The team had publicly stated their desire to get Donaldson locked up long-term, but as a Super Two coming off an MVP season, Donaldson had plenty of leverage to get paid while still retaining his ability to hit free agency after the 2018 season. The team can still revisit a longer deal with Donaldson if they wish, but most likely, this two year deal signifies that he’s not looking to sell any of his free agent years at prices the Blue Jays are currently willing to pay.

So, now, with that piece of business out of the way, the Blue Jays focus can turn towards a more pressing contract issue: what to do with star outfielder Jose Bautista. The face of the franchise, Bautista is in the final year of his contract, and will likely be the best hitter on the market next winter if the Blue Jays can’t sign him to an extension this spring. Both sides have publicly stated an interest in getting a deal done, though with the Jays bringing in Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins from Cleveland to run their baseball operations department, there’s some expectation that the club will operate a bit more conservatively, and that could limit their willingness to pay Bautista the kind of money that would convince him to forego free agency.

On the other hand, there’s clearly a lot of sentiment towards just giving Joey Bats whatever he wants, and the team will face significant negative backlash if they let Bautista leave, at least in the short-term. So even with some expected belt-tightening, let’s see if we can construct an extension that both sides would be happy with.

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The Gurriels: Another Problem for MLB’s International System

This morning, news came out that Yuliesky Gurriel, along with his younger brother Lourdes Gurriel Jr, have left Cuba and are in the process of setting up international residency that will allow them to become free agents eligible to sign with Major League teams. The older Gurriel is considered the best player in Cuba, and Baseball America’s Ben Badler has rated him as the top international player not currently in the Major Leagues.

While there have been a steady stream of Cuban defectors over the last year, the Gurriel brothers are perhaps the most interesting, not only because of their talent, but also because of the potential issues that their disparate ages might place on the negotiations.

A quick recap of the international rules, and why they could potentially present some interesting options for teams looking to really exploit the loopholes in the league’s international signing system. Cuban players over the age of 23, with at least five years of professional experience in Cuba, are exempt from the league’s international bonus pool rules, and can sign with any team for any amount with no penalties. Yuliesky Gurriel, as a 31 year old veteran, fits this criteria, and will be an unrestricted free agent, in the same way Hector Olivera was a year ago; Olivera got $63 million from the Dodgers last year.

Lourdes Gurriel Jr. is currently just 22, however, and if he signs before his 23rd birthday — October 19th, for the record — he’ll be considered part of a team’s international spending, with essentially a guarantee that a signing team would have to pay a dollar-for-dollar tax on his bonus, given the expected price tag for a quality young prospect. His signing is complicated even further by the fact that the teams eligible to sign him will change on July 2nd, as the Diamondbacks, Angels, Rays, Red Sox, and Yankees are currently restricted from signing young international players for more than $300,000, and after July 2nd, the list of restricted teams shifts, with the Cubs, Dodgers, Blue Jays, Giants, and Royals entering the penalty box.

Given the significant bonus differences between pool-eligible and pool-exempt players, it would seem to be a fairly easy call for the younger Gurriel to wait until the winter to sign, when every team could bid on him, rather than forcing himself to deal with a diminished market of bidders. Additionally, by removing the tax from his cost of signing, Lourdes Gurriel could almost certainly capture the full amount a team would want to spend to bring him into the organization, rather than going halfsies on his value with the league. Logically, it seems like the younger Gurriel should simply tell teams that he won’t sign until October 20th, and let them negotiate with him under the presumption that he’ll be exempt from the bonus pool structure.

However, because he’s defecting at the same time as his older brother, there is potentially another path here that could allow the younger Gurriel to sign before he turns 23; the Gurriels could package themselves together. As Badler has written previously, “package deals” for prospects have been going on for years.

Package deals have always been a part of the signing process in Latin America, where trainers and Mexican League teams often hold the decision-making power rather than the players and their families. Since a trainer might have a larger commission in one of his lesser prospects than he has in the main prospect a team is trying to sign, the trainer might ask the team to divert some of the money it earmarked for his top prospect to his lesser player, ensuring a greater profit for himself.

With the bonus pools, package deals play a greater role, which is what we said would happen from the beginning. If a team wants to sign a player on July 2 but needs to save money against its 2015-16 pool, it can sign a player from the same trainer during the current 2014-15 signing period with any money left in its current pool, essentially as an upfront payment. Or it can make it up on the back end by promising a signing during the following period.

Then there are the teams facing the signing restriction penalties for exceeding their pools that have the greatest incentive to do package deals. Since these teams can’t sign a player for more than $300,000, they can sweeten the pot by signing several players from the same trainer. A self-interested trainer could make more money by signing his main prospect and three other low-level players with one team for $300,000 each to get $1.2 million in bonuses rather than sign his main prospect for $800,000 with another team. It’s not always easy to detect when it’s happening, since there are often multiple trainers with a commission in a player, and the deals don’t necessarily have to be signed on the same day. A package deal can also be done by signing multiple members of a player’s family.

Essentially, it’s money laundering, except it’s not breaking any laws and it’s not violating any MLB rules. Teams have done these types of maneuvers before to massage their bonus pools before, with MLB already setting a precedent by allowing them.

It’s not too hard to imagine what a package deal for the Gurriels might look like. The older Gurriel can sign for whatever he wants, and because of the vast differences in evaluating older players from Cuba, pretty much any size signing bonus can be rationally defended. Just making numbers up — I have no idea what these guys are going to get — let’s say the market settled on $70 million for the older Gurriel and $20 million as a fair price for his younger brother, which would impute a $40 million total cost to the signing team if he signed before he turned 23. A team signing both would be on the hook for $110 million, but only $90 million of that would go to the Gurriels; that creates an incentive for some creative accounting.

If a team wanted to try to convince Lourdes Gurriel to sign before he turns 23, they could potentially structure the contracts so that Yuliesky Gurriel got an $85 million contract, with Lourdes Gurriel signing for a $10 million bonus with the same club; given what lesser Cuban prospects have gotten recently, $10 million would seemingly be Lourdes’ floor, so as not to make it too resoundingly obvious as to what was happening. In that scenario, the Gurriels gets $95 million between them, while the signing team only pays $105 million in total, as they’d pay a $10 million tax on the younger brother’s signing. The team would save $5 million on the two players, but the brothers would receive $5 million more than if they signed separately while Lourdes was restricted by the bonus pool system.

Of course, there are all kinds of reasons why something like this probably won’t happen. For one, it seems likely that Lourdes’ contract multiplier is much higher by waiting until he reaches free agency, and can compare himself to guys like Yasmany Tomas and Rusney Castillo, arguing for something north of $50 million himself. It’s also not clear that there’s a team out there with a need for both players, since they both profile as near MLB ready infielders; the Dodgers are the obvious candidate to outspend everyone, but it’s not obvious what they’d do with two more guys who reportedly profile best at third base. It’s probably more likely that a win-now team is more interested in the older Gurriel, while a rebuilding team would be motivated to spend more to land the younger brother, so that their best choice is to sign with separate franchises.

But it’s at least an interesting thought experiment that I’d imagine some front offices will work through over the next few months. Because the overage tax on the signing bonuses for pool-restricted players have to be paid up front, only a few deep-pocketed teams could realistically make it happen, but for a team like the Phillies, it might be just the kind of opportunity they were looking for. Sure, Yuliesky Gurriel might not still be a productive player by the time their rebuild is complete, but they could potentially sign him, let him show what he can do at the big league level, then trade him for more prospects once he was an established big leaguer, using his signing as a way to buy more young talent while also reducing the size of the tax they’d have to pay to sign his younger brother.

And given that the next CBA is almost certainly going to tear up the current international signing system, this may be something like the last chance teams have to make a move like this. If the league is going to push heavily for an international draft in CBA negotiations, perhaps teams with money to spend and a desire to add talent will exploit the flaws of the current system one last time before the league overhauls a broken system once and for all.


A Quick Thought on the 2016 #1 Pick

Earlier this week, I read an article on Philly.com about Jason Groome, a left-handed high school pitching prospect thought to be in the mix for the first overall pick in this upcoming draft. In addition to being the local-ish prospect, Groome got a stamp of approval from Cole Hamels, who saw him do a workout for the Phillies last year before Hamels was traded to Texas.

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The Other Big Change in MLB’s Post-PED Era

As we head towards the expiration of the CBA this winter, there seem to be three pretty common discussion points or narratives making the rounds in MLB right now.

1. The problems with the qualifying offer system, highlighted by Howie Kendrick’s contract with the Dodgers and the lingering free agency of Dexter Fowler, Ian Desmond, and Yovani Gallardo.

2. The unhappiness of some owners in regards to their view that some teams are “tanking” in an attempt to stockpile high draft choices and the bonus pool allotments that go along with those picks.

3. The continued silliness of the international signing rules, and the perverse incentives created by the system for signing players from other countries.

Yeah, there’s some talk about the DH and the luxury tax threshold, but those haven’t been as pervasive over the last month or so as the conversations about the qualifying offer, tanking, and the Dodgers decision to spend almost $100 million on international teenagers in the last six months. And, interestingly, those three things all have one thread in common: the draft.

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Dave Cameron FanGraphs Chat – 2/3/16

12:00
Dave Cameron: Alright, let’s chatty chat chat.

12:00
Bork: Maybe the D’Backs have a copy of the 2024 sports almanac and know that their #39 pick will be the next Mike Trout and lead them onto greatness, thus why they want to keep ti so bad.

12:02
Dave Cameron: They’re basically what the Phillies were a few years ago; the last remaining organization who values tools over performance, and doesn’t bother quantifying the value of various things, rather just looking at things and going with how they feel. It will end the same way the Amaro regime did.

12:02
Jon: Why are the White Sox looking at Either instead of Fowler? Either offers severe platoon splits and bad defense to a team with bad defense and that performed horribly vs. LHP last year.

12:03
Dave Cameron: Ethier wouldn’t cost them a pick, and I wouldn’t be surprised if LAD would pay down a bit of his contract, so he’d be a bit cheaper as well.

12:03
Jack: Does C. Seager have a chance to be better than Correa? – what deffirentiates the two? Gracias my man

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On the Humanity of Being Irrational

On Sunday night, Ken Rosenthal wrote a provocative piece over at FoxSports, based on an experience he had at a PITCH Talks event up in Toronto last week. Given the recent success of the Blue Jays and the impending free agency of both Jose Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion, the question of whether or not the organization would re-sign either naturally came up. I’ll let Rosenthal take the story from there. Read the rest of this entry »


Voting Now Open for SABR Analytics Awards

Here’s your chance to vote for the 2016 SABR Analytics Conference Research Award winners.

The SABR Analytics Conference Research Awards will recognize baseball researchers who have completed the best work of original analysis or commentary during the preceding calendar year. Nominations were solicited by representatives from SABR, Baseball Prospectus, FanGraphs, The Hardball Times, and Beyond the Box Score.

To read any of the finalists, click on the link below. Scroll down to cast your vote.

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Howie Kendrick, Jean Segura, and Arizona’s Latest Mistake

Over the weekend, the Dodgers and Diamondbacks made a pair of related transactions. On Friday night, after failing to find a suitor due to the specter of a potential lost draft choice, Howie Kendrick re-signed with the Dodgers for a relative pittance; $20 million over the next two years. Given that Kendrick turned down the qualifying offer, which would have guaranteed him $15.8 million for just the 2016 season alone, Kendrick had to settle for far less than he thought he would get this off-season, and at that price, the Dodgers decided the value was too good to pass up, even though they didn’t really need another infielder.

Kendrick is better than Chase Utley and he should make the team better in both 2016 and 2017; however, they did surrender the possibility of obtaining a compensation pick if another team had eventually decided he was too good to pass up at that price as well.

For a good chunk of the winter, the assumption was that a team would make that choice, and for the last few months, the Dimaondbacks looked liked the obvious fit. General manager Dave Stewart publicly talked about his desire to add some offense at the top of the order to replace Ender Inciarte, and some combination of Chris Owings and Aaron Hill didn’t inspire a lot of confidence that second base was going to be well-handled in 2016. The D-Backs had talks with Kendrick, and had tried to trade for Brandon Phillips, so it was clear that they wanted to make a move for a more established second baseman, pushing Owings into the utility role that he’s probably better suited for.

But, after having surrendered the 13th pick to sign Zack Greinke, the Diamondbacks became fiercely protective of the 39th overall pick, a competitive-balance selection they were awarded that they would have to surrender if they signed Kendrick (or Ian Desmond, another free agent would could have helped them). Stewart even stated outright that they weren’t going to give up that pick:

“We’re not going to give up the pick,” Stewart said of the D-backs, who have the 39th selection (Competitive Balance Round A). “It’s just tough after we’ve already given up our first pick. To give up our top two picks, that would be difficult for us to do.”

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The Weird Rumor is Now a Weird Trade

On Tuesday, I wrote about a trade rumor that, on paper, didn’t seem to make a lot of sense. Ken Rosenthal and Marc Topkin both reported that the Rays and Rockies were discussing a deal centered around Corey Dickerson and Jake McGee, and they’re the kind of reporters who don’t just say things for the fun of it; when they throw names out there, it’s because there is some substance behind the report. And so not surprisingly, two days later, the weird trade rumor is now a weird trade.

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