Baltimore’s Pieced Together Offense
The Orioles are projected to have the seventh-best offense this season, and they had the seventh-best offense last season. Yet looking at the offenses projected to be better and slightly worse than the Orioles reveals something interesting about Baltimore, and how you can take it one of two ways. We’ll get to that part later.
First, let’s go through and examine just how many players on each team are projected to have a positive and negative batting runs above average.
| Projected Positive Á Negative Offensive Contributors by Bat |
|---|
| Rank | Team | Positive | Negative |
| 1 | BOS | 10 | 7 |
| 2 | LAD | 9 | 9 |
| 3 | STL | 8 | 7 |
| 4 | WAS | 9 | 7 |
| 5 | LAA | 7 | 10 |
| 6 | TOR | 7 | 11 |
| 7 | BAL | 7 | 11 |
| 8 | DET | 7 | 12 |
| 9 | PIT | 7 | 10 |
| 10 | OAK | 7 | 8 |
As you can see, the O’s are on the low end in terms of positive hitters, and the high end in terms of negative hitters. There’s a lot of dead wood there, particularly in the middle infield. What’s worse is that among the negative players, you wouldn’t look for most of them to beat their projection. Christian Walker certainly could if he gets enough playing time, and perhaps the BABIP gods will smile upon Jimmy Paredes and/or Delmon Young again. And maybe the 2013 version of Everth Cabrera will show up. Aside from that, eh. Tony already covered J.J. Hardy’s drop-off at the plate, and while Marc Hulet is still optimistic about the still inexperienced Jonathan Schoop, he has a long way to go just to be average.
The track records for the Orioles’ good hitters aren’t exactly voluminous either. Let’s break out another table to demonstrate:
| # Seasons with 110+ wRC (min. 500 PA) |
|---|
| Rank | Team | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5+ |
| 1 | BOS | 3 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 3 |
| 2 | LAD | 4 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 |
| 3 | STL | 0 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| 4 | WAS | 3 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| 5 | LAA | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| 6 | TOR | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 |
| 7 | BAL | 4 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| 8 | DET | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
| 9 | PIT | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| 10 | OAK | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 |
What we see here is that the Orioles’ hitters that are projected to be positive contributors offensively have limited track records. Only Adam Jones has compiled three full seasons where he was more than 10 percent better than league average. Perhaps I’m not being fair though. Let’s lower the threshold from 500 to 300 plate appearances and see how it looks:
| # Seasons with 110+ wRC (min. 300 PA) |
|---|
| Rank | Team | 0 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5+ |
| 1 | BOS | 3 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 5 |
| 2 | LAD | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 3 |
| 3 | STL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 2 |
| 4 | WAS | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
| 5 | LAA | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 |
| 6 | TOR | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
| 7 | BAL | 1 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 |
| 8 | DET | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 |
| 9 | PIT | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 1 |
| 10 | OAK | 2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 |
We see more positive contributions for those Orioles’ hitters, but they’re still lacking in the household names. In this table, the Orioles are the only team without a hitter who has hit the threshold at least four times. Now, this obviously isn’t a fool proof analysis. After all, you’d rather have Adam Jones than Andre Ethier, who counts as one of the five’s for the Dodgers. But it is emblematic of who the Orioles are, and perhaps offers a window as to why the team is consistently overlooked.
You’d be hard pressed to find a player who had a bigger drop in either wRC+ or wOBA than Chris Davis had last season. On the one hand, it’s difficult to be 76 percent worse than you were in the previous year, because that essentially assumes that you were good enough in the year before to be given the opportunity to be 76 percent worse the following year. Still, when you hit into the shift as often as does Davis, you’re going to be fighting an uphill battle. He should rebound this season, but his 2014 season gives you pause.
Speaking of giving pause, Manny Machado has to show that he can arrest the decline in his strikeout rate. When he was striking out 15.9 percent of the time, it was easy to consider the notion of Machado as a contact hitter, but last season he struck out 19.2 percent of the time, and hit more grounders when he did put the ball into play. He didn’t play a full season, but he certainly wasn’t on the 50 doubles pace to match his 2013 season. One thing is for sure — pitchers weren’t afraid to challenge Machado. Only 22 of the 263 hitters with at least 300 PA last season saw strike one more frequently than did Machado.
Like Machado, Matt Wieters missed a good chunk of the season due to injury. But while Machado is raring to go this spring, Wieters is hurt again. He seems to have avoided catastrophe for the moment, but it certainly isn’t a good sign that Wieters already has elbow tendinitis. Wieters still isn’t a year removed from his Tommy John surgery, and while the recovery timetable is different for hitters than it is pitchers, this is not encouraging news. The most unfortunate thing is that he was having a career year last year. Can he regain that stroke? It was so out of character for him that you wonder.
Alejandro De Aza probably is who he is at this point, which is an average player, but fellow left-handed-hitting outfielder Travis Snider could be more. Mike touched on Snider back in January when the O’s landed him in trade. The hope is that he will be the next one to go all Steve Pearce on the league. It’s a slim hope to be sure, but that hope remains.
Ah, Pearce. He that could never stay healthy himself. He landed on the 60-day disabled list in 2010 and 2011, and missed more than 50 games on the DL in 2013. He was mostly injury-free last season, but did have problems crop up in September. It wasn’t a secret he could hit. His career line in the minors is .294/.371/.522, and he posted a 116 wRC+ in limited action in 2013. The question is whether or not he can stay healthy. In the last five years, his total PA output (majors and minors) per season is 383, 151, 415, 149 and 204. That’s not a great track record, and Pearce will be 32 this season, so he isn’t some young prospect.
There are two ways to look at all of this. If you choose to look at it negatively, you would say the O’s have a much wider band around their potential performances than the other top competition, and that there is so much downside risk that you just can’t take them seriously. If you choose to look at it positively, you trust the track record of Dan Duquette, who has been uncovering gems for a very long time. Steve Pearce was simply the new and improved version of Troy O’Leary. While most in the game walk aimlessly looking for offense, Duquette finds it under every rock he looks, and manages to scratch together a good offense for his ballclub every season. If it’s not the guys he has assembled here, he’ll find some others who will get the job done. I am open to both viewpoints, and will be watching the Orioles intently to see which one bears out.
Paul Swydan used to be the managing editor of The Hardball Times, a writer and editor for FanGraphs and a writer for Boston.com and The Boston Globe. Now, he owns The Silver Unicorn Bookstore, an independent bookstore in Acton, Mass. Follow him on Twitter @Swydan. Follow the store @SilUnicornActon.
Machado’s numbers from last season are really dragged down by his first few weeks back. If you take out even just the first two weeks, he was on pace for over 60 extra base hits.
Everyone’s numbers are dragged down by their bad stretches.
Does it make sense that if you’re predicting a player’s 2015 performance, and he is not injured in 2015, the part of the sample from the previous year in which he was also not injured may be more indicative of his true level of talent than the part of the previous year in which he was effected by an injury.
the part of the sample from the previous year in which he was also not injured may be more indicative of his true level of talent than the part of the previous year in which he was effected by an injury.
Sure. But you’d have to be able to objectively quantify “effected by injury”, list the precise dates on which he was and then ceased to be such, and explain how you could possibly know this for certain. No one really can.
Injuries are not off/on switches. Using “injury” to build narratives is rarely useful because it’s largely made-up retrospective observations as above.
“He hit really well here, which is kind of close to where he would have been recovering from that injury.”
“Wasn’t he announced to be recovered like a month before then?”
“Well yeah, but he was still feeling lingering effects/warming up/some other nonsense. We just need to discard that month. *These* good results are his true talent level for sure.”
After watching many years of baseball, I find it hard to swallow that we don’t assume an injury will happen in projection systems- it sure does happen all of the time in the real games.
But, in this case, it is fair to mention this as he was just returning from a serious injury. Maybe the approach is unfair, but it’s certainly worth pointing out. Had the cold stretch taken place later in the season, it would have been less noteworthy.
I’m reminded of Brady Anderson’s 50-HR season.
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This is so much fun. Please continue?
I’m disappointed that you haven’t gotten to the root of the problem,yet. Why are you holding back?
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See below comments. For some reason my reply isn’t a reply to you.
Just neighing.
Just because you can’t enjoy baseball doesn’t mean the rest aren’t allowed to.
Hey Fangraphs writers: Have you guys considered moderated message boards? It’d be both fun and a way to keep troll at bay.
^^^This was aimed at Free_AEC’s latest incarnation. I got no problem with John Elway.
Hay neft, go no problem with you either.
Looks like they got rid of the Free_AEC troll post. That must be why my replies just went to the regular comments.
*nerf (got butterhooves today lol)
Seconded. Give the job to Cistulli. Then again, instead of deleting Free_AEC, he might end up in long philosophical discussions with him, which would be frightening.
Thanks for reminding me. Easiest $40 I ever made betting on sports.
At the beginning of the 1998 season, a friend and a relative asked me if I thought Brady could come close to 50 again. I responded: “He won’t even hit 30, it was just a fluky season for how many fly balls turned into home runs.”
Both immediately bet me $20 apiece that Brady would hit at least 30. I turned out to be right.
But, before I pat myself on the back about my baseball acumen, I should also point out that at the end of May 2012 I bet my mother (yes, my mother the baseball fan!) that the Orioles were just a lucky team up to that point and would be no better than 4th place by July 4th. I lost that $10 bet as the Orioles went on to win 93 games and earn a WC spot.
After that season, I began to worship at the altar of Buck Showalter and I still do.
And I don’t bet with my mother anymore. I’ve come to the conclusion that she likes to hustle unsuspecting sports fans, lmao.
why in the hell are you all downvoting this? it’s the best comment in the history of FG
the red sox “projected” 10 positive contributors with the bat is absurd. basically that entire projection relies on huge bouncebacks from past their prime washed up guys and positive performances from players who have never done a thing at the major league level
the only reason xander bogaerts, for example, is projected to be a positive bat is because the projection systems have bought into the red sox prospect hype train. this whole analysis falls apart once we realize how biased the projection systems have become to accommodate hype for red sox players
You understand that “projected” doesn’t mean set in stone, don’t you?
You know that the numbers in the boxes in this or any article are computer-aided guesses at an elusive and ephemeral true talent level, right?
Here, I think you need to read this. It applies to player projections too:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/projecting-uncertainty-a-roadmap-to-the-projected-standings/
if you red sox fans feel the need to imitate me in order to feel better about your team then go for it
it’s not my fault that bogaerts was overhyped and you have no ss but if you want to take it out on me then go ahead, i find it funny
Ah, but that’s where you’re wrong. It IS your fault that Bogaerts was overhyped.
Are you really argue that the projection systems (which come from statistical algorithms and are produced by computers) are biased in favor of Red Sox prospects? So the computers have reached sentience and they’re Red Sox fans?
I’m a Red Sox fan and I’m concerned that there’s a lot of risk with the prospects on their roster (Bogaerts, Betts, Castillo, Vazquez). It’s a fair argument. But to come on an unrelated article about the Orioles, and complain that the computer projection systems are biased… You’re an idiot.
“Algorithm” is just a fancy word for liberal bias.
Why else would they be named after Al Gore?
The plot thickens.
The computers running code from MIT are Red Sox fans.
I honestly think FG must do something about the user name issue. The whole fake everdiso thing is beyond tiresome now and i beg whoever is doing it to meet fucking stop it and grow up. It derails literally every other thread.
Enough already. It was silly the first sixty times and now it’s a combination of nauseating and annoying.
make sense already?
Trolling aside, it doesn’t seem right to me that the Red Sox are though of so highly. I understand the methodology behind the projections and think they make a best effort stab at using the massive sample of past performances to predict future results. That being said, the Red Sox were a bad team last year. Since then, they traded away a very good pitcher in Lester (plus 3 other starters), then added a good pitcher in Porcello and two very good players in or around their prime with Ramirez and Panda. They have good young players being rolled in, but not like the Cubs do. It doesn’t seem right that team such as this should be projected to win 20+ more games than they did a year ago.
It will just make the caterwauling of Red Sox fans that much sweeter to hear.
Can’t argue with any of this. I would add to those who argue that Manny’s injuries last season might artificially depress his projection, and I am a believer in Schoop for some odd reason, although I agree that he is unlikely to improve so much that he would be a great + at bat. Davis and Wieters are the other hopes to make up for Cruz, but each of those guys are big question marks. Wasn’t there some analysis that showed that the Orioles did well in not giving innings to too many really bad players, so while they didn’t have too many big + offensive players they also did not have too many black holes?
I guess what I don’t have a sense for is how this rates compared to other teams, not just the top-10 offenses. If the Orioles can finish around 7th best, then that’s not bad, considering solid pitching and great defense.
Manny Ramirez is retired.
Apparently, there’s more than one Manny in the world. The Orioles have some kid named Manny Machado.
THE Manny, on the other hand, is a roving batting coach for the Cubs. Which makes me picture him becoming a manager someday. Which is hilarious.
Manny as a manager would simply be the greatest thing ever, assuming he’s not managing my team of course. But baseball just isn’t the same without Manny Being Manny. Still can’t believe he never got that Gold Glove he always wanted…
Do they give out an award for the worst defensive player at a position? The concrete glove. The lead glove. Manny could have won that. A few times.
Schoop is a young well regard prospect. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he will not continue to mature offensively. His glove keeps him on the team right now, but his bat should be a fair bit better this year. If it isn’t, there might be cause for concern, but for now I don’t see any reason for pessimism.
Fangraphs bullish on the Orioles?? Shocking…
I can’t tell if this comment is sarcastic, a misreading of the article, or simply a mess because the commenter doesn’t know what bullish means.
There it is again. That word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Lol.
Ugh that one always gets me; bears are so bad ass! Until you’ve faced a pissed off grizzly with nothing more than a bow, you’ll never convince me that “bull” is the good one and bear is the bad.
It’s sorta like AIDs, you want to be surrounded with negative people.
Inconceivable!
Bears are so much more awesome animals than bulls. I like to see what would happen if some bull slaughtering matador was by surprise confronted by an angry Kodiak. Someone should set this up some time. But, the market analogy is still correct. A Bearish market is market that is killing you. A Bullish market is one that you are killing.
Context and data missing from the first table? The O’s are ranked 7th, but you say “the O’s are on the low end in terms of positive hitters, and the high end in terms of negative hitters.” -amongst the top 10? Or is there some filter applied to these 10 teams you haven’t mentioned? I mean, 7th out of 30 is pretty good.
fair point. i did mean 7th out of the top 10.
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Duquette always seems to manage to put together good yet flawed teams which don’t have enough to get over the hump in the playoffs.
This O’s team doesn’t seem any different although I have always admired Duquette’s willingness and refusal to overpay aging FA sluggers to long-term deals (this season Cruz but consistently in Boston) along with refusing to trade away vast portions of his farm system to make a playoff run.
Buck does a great job with what he has, and Duke does find his share of hidden gems. After last season’s 96 wins, not sure why Baltimore is not the hands down favorite in the AL East? Machado back, and Wieters on his way. They’ll get more out of Davis this season. As a Sox fan, I’m not liking all these projections/predictions with us winning the AL east this year. Its just fueling Buck and creating bulletin board material.
Machado and Wieters back and Davis’ drugs are legal now. There is no reason to believe the O’s pitching will be worse. Sure they greatly outperformed their FIP, but all of their pitcher have had a history of doing this. Why would that change now? I guess the magic bubble could pop, but I can’t see any good reason why it would pop this year when it didn’t pop in 2012 or 2013 and expanded in 2014.