Baseball Needs More Kids Movies

A story recently emerged that captured the hearts of even the stoniest baseball fans. On June 19, a little girl named Abigail attended her first major league game in Cincinnati and was over the moon to get to see her hero, Joey Votto, in action. But as fate would have it, Votto was ejected in the first inning, leaving young Abigail devastated; a photo of her forlorn face, eyes brimming with tears, made the rounds on Twitter. Soon enough, though, she had a signed ball in her hands, and later that same week, she returned to the park and got to meet Votto in person. A photo of her beaming expression might best summarize the whole experience:

The entire story, from Abigail’s excitement to the perfectly-timed misfortune of Votto’s ejection to the entirety of baseball Twitter rallying around this one little girl, felt like the plot of a movie, with our hero, in this case, a fan ready to cheer for her favorite player.

Abigail’s story is not a movie, of course. It will become a fun memory to look back on later in her life and probably helped solidify her as a Reds fan. Not every fan can have the kind of direct experience she did; not every child can meet their hero. But what makes Abigail’s story special is that it’s centered on her and not Votto. He was a just a peripheral part of what made this tale unique, and that is what made it so touching and engaging for others to follow.

Most baseball fans know precisely how their fandom originated. Often it comes in the form of an existing family love for the game. Sometimes we come to it later in life all on our own. Regardless of when it started, we often look back on those early days of fandom with a special fondness. Similarly, many fans of the game feel a deep nostalgia for the baseball movies we watched as kids.

There’s something about baseball movies for children that generations of kids gravitate toward and watch year after year. If you were to rewatch these movies as an adult, you’d likely find that they hold up remarkably well — that the glow of nostalgia has not misled you to their quality. What you will also find, through the filter of an adult gaze, is that these movies all deal with exceptionally difficult topics that allow a child watching them to see themselves, perhaps, but also see that a connection to baseball can be a guidepost through some of life’s hardships.

In The Sandlot, Scotty Smalls has been uprooted from the life he previously knew, moving to a new city with his mother and stepfather. The film is ostensibly about Smalls developing new friendships and cultivating a lifelong passion for baseball that will lead him to his future career as a broadcaster. On a deeper level, though, it addresses feelings of belonging, of finding connections with a new father figure, and learning to find confidence in oneself. The ragtag group of kids Smalls gravitates toward have different body shapes and represent different ethnicities, giving the kids watching an opportunity to see some version of themselves on the big screen. The movie didn’t center on Benny, the only member of the group to make it to the major leagues, but rather Scotty, the unathletic one who simply used baseball as a way to find a common bond with others.

Most remember Rookie of the Year for its absurd premise: Henry Rowengartner is terrible at baseball in spite of how much he adores the game, but a freak accident results in his sudden ability to throw a high-octane fastball so impressive that the Cubs sign him to a contract in the hopes it will bolster ticket sales. It’s worth mentioning the parts of the movie that are less frequently recalled, though. Henry is being raised by his single mother, who has told him incredible stories about his father, a skilled pitcher. This connection to his lost father appears to be the genesis for Henry’s love of baseball, something he can share with a father figure he never got to know. Henry also doesn’t quite fit in at school, but rather finds himself part of a small group of misfits that wants to spend time building a boat. Through the course of the film, Henry learns that his father was not who he believed; his mother built up the legend so Henry wouldn’t know the truth about his father abandoning their family. He also doesn’t remain a freakishly talented pitcher, keeping his gift long enough to recognize that it was he mother he idolized all along, and to help teach grizzled veteran pitcher Chet Steadman to love the game again.

The absolute kicker, in terms of heart-wrenching plots, might be Angels in the Outfield. A young Joseph Gordon-Levitt plays Roger Bomman, whose mother has died and whose father has left him in a foster home with two other boys to await a long-term placement or adoption. Roger’s father, when asked “When will we be a family again?” responds with, “When the Angels win the pennant” — something never meant to happen, since the team was well-ensconced in last place. The titular angels arrive to help the team, but the real focus of the movie is on the bond formed between Roger and his foster brother J.P., and the unlikely connection they forge with Angels manager George Knox. The movie deals with some crushing topics, like J.P.’s childhood homelessness and Roger’s dad legally relinquishing all parental rights to him. Like all the others, it ultimately ends in a new kind of found family, as Knox adopts Roger and J.P. and the Angels win the pennant (of course).

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The interesting thing about these movies, aside from the weighty topics they focus on, is that all three came out in the span of two years, making 1993 and ’94 the halcyon days of baseball movies for kids. So why is it that we don’t see these movies made anymore? Both The Sandlot and Angels in the Outfield spawned direct-to-video sequels, and all three were made on modest budgets that saw solid box office return. Angels in the Outfield cost about $24 million to make and earned over $50 million worldwide, and it’s easily the worst-reviewed of the three. Rookie of the Year cost $10 million to make and grossed over $56 million. The Sandlot cost $7 million to make and grossed about $34 million in theaters but went on to become a massive home video success. Historically speaking, baseball movies aimed at kids do well, even when the reviews don’t love them.

Yet the last baseball-themed movie for children to receive wide theatrical release was the animated Everyone’s Hero, which came out in 2006 to poor results, earning only $16 million against its $35 million budget. I think part of the problem might be the movie industry’s newfound love of animated features over live-action. The lovingly-crafted b-roll footage of going to a game is lost amid all the polish and pixels of the animated format; it’s nice to look at, but it isn’t real. The movie also wasn’t very good, garnering only middling reviews, with one critic calling it “sweet, but ultimately disposable.”

We are at a stage in baseball’s lifespan where it is becoming critical to engage a younger audience. While the focus might be on luring in Millennials and Gen-Z, I’d say the smart target would be to aim younger. The beat writers and die-hard fans of today were the ones watching these movies when they first came out. For a lot of people, a love of baseball could easily have been rooted in seeing Rookie of the Year for the first time; it probably created more than one lifelong Cubs fan.

Baseball movies for kids have proven they can tackle incredibly difficult topics and issues that a lot of kids can relate to, and do it against a background that shows the ballpark as their home away from home and players as a second family. But what those earlier movies lack is something a new generation of movies could build on. Neither movie treats girls as anything more than mere set-pieces. Henry yearns for the attention of Becky Fraker in Rookie of the Year, but we know little about her other than she’s an object of desire at their school. The women of The Sandlot are treated even worse; Squints’ assault of Wendy Peffercorn is played for laughs and then made “okay” by the epilogue in which the pair marries. The abysmal sequel features a trio of softball phenoms as a part of the plot, but they are still established as objects of desire rather than having any real impact on the key story. It’s also worth mentioning that Sandlot 2, which is almost a beat-for-beat recreation of the first movie, also features a character forcibly kissing a woman. This time it’s at a kissing booth, but it’s once again played for laughs, and the subtext of the scene is that this is not the first time the character has pulled this move.

These movies do make attempts at having diverse casts, be it showing characters of different races (Angels in the Outfield does fairly well here) or with disabilities (Sammy in Sandlot 2 is deaf). But the central figures of the movies are almost always young, white boys. That’s in line with the demographic makeup of baseball viewers, which is fairly aligned with the demographics of its players. A 2020 poll determined about 60% of baseball fans are white, 20% are Hispanic, and 14% are Black; in 2016, the breakdown of MLB player demographics was 63.7% white, 27.4% Hispanic, and 6.7% Black. To inspire a new generation of baseball fans, we need more than the standard young, white, male hero. We need to see girls at the center of these stories, and representation for Black, Hispanic, and Asian kids. We need baseball stories for a broader audience if we want baseball to appeal to a broader audience.

The more kids see themselves represented on screen, the easier it becomes to picture themselves in those spaces within the real world. Whether it’s simply growing up knowing that there is a place for girls in baseball — the gone-too-soon TV series Pitch gave us a believable female MLB pitcher; a movie with a central female character shouldn’t feel so far-fetched — or seeing a movie and understanding that even if you cannot play the game, there is a safe space or home to be found within fandom. Baseball itself has some work to do here, as it struggles with how to handle Pride-themed events and is only now beginning to drift away from the sexist overtones of themed “Ladies Nights” and toward “Women in Baseball” events.

Baseball movies matter, because they allow a new generation to love baseball without ever having set foot in a park. Baseball can be a difficult sport to learn; the rules are nuanced, the games are long, and while many kids might have grown up watching the game, it is becoming more and more cost-prohibitive to bring a whole family to the park and hope young children stay engaged for three or more hours. Having a way to get kids excited about the game as a slow introduction would go a long way to bringing in new fans. What movies offer are a high-level introduction to the sport, a gateway team for viewers to connect with, and an opportunity to see someone who looks like them — either in terms of age, gender, or race — participating directly in the game in some fashion. Giving a new generation of fans a new generation of these movies can help generate natural, long-term engagement in the sport and create cult classics to be enjoyed for decades to come.

Not every kid can have the experience Abigail did when she met Joey Votto. But it sure would make a great movie.





Ashley has spent the last several years writing for various SB Nation sites, including Bless You Boys, DRaysBay, and Bleed Cubbie Blue. Her bylines have appeared here at Fangraphs; Hardball Times; BPro Short Relief and more. She hosts a baseball YouTube channel called 90 Feet From Home, and co-hosts the baseball podcast Who's On Worst.

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smada
5 years ago

Not ashamed to admit it, I’m an Angels fan because of Angels in the Outfield.

miltonfriedman
5 years ago
Reply to  smada

You should be a fan of where u grew up, unless,there was no team.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Mostly agree. I’m a Braves fan because there was no team in AZ and the Braves were on TBS everyday. Miss that.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Why?

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Why? I grew up in Missouri, Cardinals fans are obnoxious dicks. Plus I was a pitcher in little league who didn’t throw hard. Maddux was my inspiration to “pitch, not throw” and he shut up cardinal fans most nights. Why wouldn’t I be a braves fan?

averagejoe15Member since 2018
5 years ago

I was asking miltonfriedman why you should be a fan of where you grew up.

Your feeling about Cardinals fans are how I felt about Yankees fans where I grew up and gravitated to the Red Sox as a result. Nomar was the guy when I became a fan and the Sox were easy to root for given the curse and the evil empire they were up against seemingly every year.

I don’t think there’s anything noble in letting the geography of where you grow up dictate what you should and shouldn’t like.

BigDaddy
5 years ago

Good article, totally agree with everything here. Good job.

I will add that Sandlot 3 with Luke Perry (!?!?) is weirdly good and poignant, even if it features the single mom trope and is a weird mix of Sandlot, Back to the Future, and It’s a Wonderful Life.

TOOTBLAN ErrornadoMember since 2019
5 years ago

Did he just say funky butt lovin?

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

I think that you might have the causal order reversed. I suspect the reason why there aren’t more baseball movies targeted at kids is because in a lot of markets baseball has priced itself out of reach of many families, and so there aren’t as many young fans.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There aren’t more baseball movies because they simply aren’t as profitable as other kinds of movies.

Sports movies are already niche and baseball ones even more so. Baseball is the third most popular sport in the US trailing football by a huge margin and basketball by a small margin. So you’re going after a small percentage of an already small market

You could argue the dearth of recent baseball movies creates a market opportunity but it seems likely that the data says making another crappy, generic rom com or action movie is still going to bring in more profit simply because the potential market is so much larger.

liljaycup
5 years ago
Reply to  averagejoe15

I’ve always wondered why sports leagues don’t finance kids’ movies about their sport.

averagejoe15Member since 2018
5 years ago
Reply to  liljaycup

It comes down to money again. Niche movies aren’t really cost-effective marketing unless it’s a real ‘home run.’

The focus should be on meeting kids in their medium of choice. Marketing the game to youth is more about the availability and accessibility of high quality, engaging content than any singular item (like a movie).

For me growing up that medium was video games. I didn’t go to many games as a kid, but I consumed baseball through videogames and those had a much larger impact on my fandom than anything else (besides playing the game) including movies.

I’d watch baseball movies because I liked baseball not because a movie was particularly good or rewatchable. But I played a ton of baseball videogames and would get countless hours of entertainment out of those.

For the current generation it probably looks more like Apps and Youtube and TikTok content.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  liljaycup

Formula 1 has done a fantastic job recently marketing to 18-24 year olds. I’m surprised baseball doesn’t take a page from their book given the less than obvious but deep commercial connections between the sports

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

TV is cheap. Attending something live is great, but I don’t know if going to a game is as much of a driver of interest.

Lanidrac
5 years ago

Agreed.

Besides, most teams have $5 ticket nights due to dynamic pricing. Even after adding in ticket fees and transportation/parking while being economical about what you spend at the ballpark itself (especially if it’s one that allows you to bring in outside food), and those games are still perfectly affordable for most families. You’d spend more on a day at a local amusement park.

dukewinslowMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  sadtrombone

There aren’t many baseball movies because movies cost money to make and market and no one cares about baseball in the places where you recoup your cost. Baseball movies are dead for the same reason romantic comedies are mostly dead. The margins on the domestic market aren’t worth it.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago

As long as we’re at it, I have a hard time believing that any kid who wasn’t already a baseball fan would become a huge baseball fan from watching Rookie of the Year. This is a story where a kid’s dream comes true and it at least partly depends on the person in the audience sharing that sort of a dream.

A couple other thoughts on Rookie of the Year…
-There is some super-messed up adult behavior in that movie.
-If your star reliever slips and hurts himself and has lost 60-some MPH off his fastball then maybe you should just get another reliever?

jdtTX
5 years ago

Angels In The Outfield ended up being Academy Award-winning Best Actors in the Outfield

kylerkelton
5 years ago

My wife is not really a baseball fan but she loves Rookie of the Year. I’ve never particularly enjoyed sports movies, just because I generally think they do a poor job of showing sports action and since a lot of them are feel good/underdog stories that I find them kind of boring. But because of my wife I see the value in them to make baseball appeal to a wider audience.

Josh
5 years ago
Reply to  kylerkelton

So you’re the world’s only Clew Haywood fan? You only go in for overdog/blowout victory movies? Wow.

BryzMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  Josh

Stop gatekeeping. He’s right, sports movies generally do a poor job of showing game action and spend way too much time focusing on the underdogs.

Katal
5 years ago

Little Big League also came out in 1994. Roger Ebert gave it a favorable review, it also dealt with family issues, & I remember appreciating the “realism” of the kid’s team losing their play-in game before the postseason.

Katal
5 years ago
Reply to  Katal

On second thought with 25+ years of hindsight I suppose the more realistic ending would be the Mariners missing the playoffs & the Twins being swept out of the first round.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Katal

Pete Crow-Armstrong’s mother played the mom in that movie too. Ashley Crow.

miltonfriedman
5 years ago

Football and basketball are 80 percent black, and white people still go.

miltonfriedman
5 years ago

Major league was the best baseball movie of all time

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

In fact, best sports movie. Which isn’t saying much because it’s a cruddy genre

bluerum29
5 years ago

Best sports movie? No. that would be Tin Cup.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Meh – if someone said “Hey, let’s watch a sports movie tonight!”, I would begrudgingly reach for Major League and then not invite that person to the next movie night 😛

Bolton
5 years ago

I’d go back to the 1970s and the original Bad News Bears for best baseball movie. “Sugar” is my favorite of the 21st century — but probably wouldn’t draw kids into the game.

Lanidrac
5 years ago

No, “Space Jam”! I’m really looking forward to the new one.

Who said it had to be a realistic movie?

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago

I suggest Arachnophobia 2: The Glenallen Hill Story

Or Escape from Chicago. Kurt Russell stars again as Snake Plissken, tasked with his most dangerous mission yet: extract Steve Bartman from the city before time runs out!

bluerum29
5 years ago

Hollywood is mostly crap at this point.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Here’s a Google of what’s playing near me:

Black Widow (sequel)
Quiet place 2 (sequel)
Space Jam 2 (sequel)
Boss baby: family business (sequel)
Forever Purge (sequel)
F9 (sequel)
Snake Eyes (sequel)
Cruella (sequel, kinda)

Horrendous. Streaming series are a better bet.

bluerum29
5 years ago

How about instead of focusing on the representation of black, white, hispanic, and any other skin color you can come up with, how about we get back to the fact that skin color doesn’t matter.

miltonfriedman
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

^”Says the straight white conservative.”
Thats what they will say to you

Josh
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

People who say skin color doesn’t matter are always people who don’t have to care. So just maybe keep that to yourself, eh?

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  Josh

Or, they are people who were raised to believe that skin color doesn’t matter and that we should ignore it. Just because some people choose to focus on it, doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

Except you shouldn’t ignore it because that minimizes or even totally disregards their different life experience.

I once went to a “white trash bash” themed bar night (grew up in rural America, was visiting family). We went with a fairly diverse group. Pretty shortly after arriving and seeing confederate flags, Trump signs, and hearing racial slurs sung by white people to rap songs (often with the hard “R”), several people in the group wanted to leave.

How stupid would it look if I said “why are you upset? I didn’t know you were black?”

“Not seeing race” or whatever doesn’t put you on moral high ground, it is a cop-out to critical thinking and empathy towards very real experiences.

bluerum29
5 years ago

Everyone has different life experiences; some good some bad. There was rap music being played at the party, that was reason enough to leave, that and it being a “trashy” party. Not a fan of that, I prefer to have a little more class. And its not about being on a moral high ground, its about doing the right thing and focusing on the parts of people that actually matter.

synco
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

It may not matter to you, but skin color matters very very much to a lot of people, many of whom go out of their way to make it very very unpleasant for people of a color they don’t like.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  synco

That doesn’t mean it Actually matters, just means that some people are assholes about it.

BryzMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

There are a million reasons in this country that say skin color matters 100%.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

“skin color doesn’t matter”

Try dating outside your race in rural America and come back to me on that.

miltonfriedman
5 years ago

^lol. Northeast white liberal spotted. The worst by far is if you are a black male with a white girl in the city of black women. Try that and compare to the “rural” america

yaro
5 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

White mans burden particularly heavy today huh Milton?

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  miltonfriedman

Do they threaten to disown you? Do you get shun from family gatherings? Do they fail to show up at your family events (graduation, marriages,etc?). Do they dog whistle? Do you get assaulted verbally (especially once they’ve been drinking)? Do they wave hateful flags and imagery in your face? Do they use slurs towards you and your significant other?

bluerum29
5 years ago

You are saying that because some people will judge you poorly when they shouldn’t and have no actual reason to, that makes skin color matter? All that does is give legitimacy to those who think it matters. When I say skin color doesn’t matter, I mean that it doesn’t actually mean anything. It doesn’t change who you are or what your value is.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  bluerum29

It doesn’t change the person, but it does change their experience.

As a white dude I’ve been hired and the hiring manager saying something like “I like you, you remind me of myself at your age”

That’s not overt racism, but it’s still something that I’ve benefited from that a lot of other people can’t.

bluerum29
5 years ago

“you remind me of myself at your age” where is it written that it has to relate to skin color. Could be personality, passion, drive, goals, etc.

Lanidrac
5 years ago

Alright, yes, it does matter to racists, so let’s say it shouldn’t matter.

TerenceMember since 2016
5 years ago

Million Dollar Arm was 2014. Feels like it deserves mention in this discussion.
$25M Budget. $38M Box Office. Another $6M in DVD sales, and by 2014 you have to believe it was more valuable to the Mouse as digital streamable content than for physical DVD’s.

Richard Bergstrom
5 years ago
Reply to  Terence

a 38M movie on a 25M budget generally loses money or breaks even once marketing and other costs are included (which are not actually in the movie budget)

frankMember since 2016
5 years ago

The kid in me will watch it

Mac
5 years ago

Sociology is hard. Common sense dictates that this argument makes sense. Popular movies / TV generate interest is sports and hobbies. A recent example is the popular Netflix show The Queen’s Gambit leading to, at least anecdotally, uptick in interest in chess.

To quantify the effect is tricky. There was increased viewership of chess YouTube channels and increased chess sales following the popularity of Queen’s Gambit.

At least in the short term, it’s a decent bet a popular baseball media hit would be similar.

Longer term fan retention is hard to quantify. Marketing consultants are paid millions to work on retention and engagement, and it’s tricky to establish why exactly humans behave why they do.

As for what makes movies successful, how much is the baseball versus how much is the story, wrapped in a baseball shell? I don’t feel qualified at all to say. The oddest things become hits and generate at least short-term interest sometimes. Heck, Malcolm Gladwell built a career in pop statistics with The Tipping Point, and it’s still a debated and mysterious topic – what makes popular things popular.

Guess what I’m trying to say is to be careful about what’s more guess / theory-crafting versus more evidence-based claims about media effect on human behavior. With the caveat that it’s a fuzzy and murky line between the two.

OddBall Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  Mac

Films can create fads, but those rarely stick. Maybe a movie comes out that makes it cool to hang out at the stadium, and impressionable people run out to take selfies to prove they were there, but it’s going to be forgotten when the next thing rolls along. There is no substitution, if you want kids to grow into the sport, for making sure their parents are getting them to the stadium, and making sure they get opportunities to play it themselves.

Josh
5 years ago
Reply to  Mac

Sociology is not that hard. It’s essentially a field of wafflers and ditherers, saying “now hold on” but providing little of substance to challenge literally anyone with something to say. It’s kind of bunk, or at best a load of description lacking any analysis.

sadtromboneMember since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  Josh

cool story bro

Josh
5 years ago

What about the movie with Joey Friends and a monkey?

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  Josh

Ed. What a fantastic movie.

will1331Member since 2019
5 years ago

Thanks Ashley! I remember these movies fondly, and appreciate you highlighting some of the more troublesome aspects.

balancedman178
5 years ago

Like with many multi-generation professional choices, most of fandom is a family thing first. Followed by friends. Movies help but there are so many competing movies for kid attention. My grandfather liked video games and Star Wars. My dad liked sports and video games. My mom liked sports and board gsmesMy friends liked video games and sports. I grew up to play a lot of video games, a lot of sports, some board game nights, and watched the major Star Wars movies but thats about it for that one; had my friends or more than one person really in my life enjoyed Star Wars, I probably would have more than 0 star wars clothing items or toys.

Baseball owners with long-term vision in mind should be having more family nights and figuring ways to cut the cost of going to the ballpark, but sadly I know that rolling back the progress players have made in their ridiculous salaries isnt going to allow for that. Hopefully it wont result in a lack of true fans 30 -60 years from now. Memories and therefore attachments are made at the ballpark and watching games as families and friends.

BryzMember since 2019
5 years ago
Reply to  balancedman178

It’s been shown that salaries are not tied to ballpark prices. Organizations charge what they do because too few fans have cared enough to stop attending.

bluerum29
5 years ago
Reply to  Bryz

All costs are tied to one another. If your expenses go up, you find ways to make your revenues go up. If your revenues go up, you have more room to increase your expenses. They are all tied in one way or another.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago
Reply to  balancedman178

Teams don’t charge more to pay for salaries. That’s backwards. You’re basically suggesting “if you want to make more money, increase price”. I work in sales, I wish that were true. Unfortunately my customers don’t want to hear “my quota went up, so now your yearly spend has to go up”.

Price is one function. Quantity is the other. Where PxQ is the most is ideal. Now maybe they can charge less fans more per fan to get more revenue. I don’t know that. But teams 100% don’t increase prices to pay for players. If it were that easy to increase revenue, they’d be increasing price regardless.

Lanidrac
5 years ago
Reply to  balancedman178

They do. It’s called dynamic pricing. Just find a day or night to go when tickets are only $5 each (plus fees).

synco
5 years ago

There are a lot of things working against baseball movies, which is unfortunate given the glory age a lot of us remember from the late 80s-early 90s (Bull Durham, Eight Men Out, Major League, Field of Dreams, the kids movies mentioned in the article, etc.). From the studio point of view the problem is that baseball movies are really only super-marketable in the US, so they have to really crush it domestically and often they have not. Pre-streaming, the general rule of thumb was that a movie had to earn ~2.5-3x its budget in order to make money after you take out the theater’s cut, marketing, etc., so Angels in the Outfield for example was probably a wash at best, the other two solid earners. These days you also have the death of mid-budget movies in Hollywood, where everything is either made for pennies or costs $100m.

dl80Member since 2020
5 years ago
Reply to  synco

What about Mr Baseball? I was surprised how poorly it did in Japan at the box office

synco
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

Yeah foreign markets tend to be far, far, far more interested in our action/spectacle movies than any other genre. Even “friendly” markets like you’d think Japan would be for baseball. Comedy, romantic comedy, sports, etc. are all hyper-regional.

NicklePickersMember since 2016
5 years ago

As a screenwriter and baseball fan, I was told when I got to Hollywood not to write any baseball movies because the sport didn’t have enough of an international audience, particularly in the mega-markets of India and China. Apparently they “wouldn’t translate” well. Now, I don’t think this idea is actually true, but I do think that if enough producers think it’s true then it becomes true. Sadly.

miltonfriedman
5 years ago
Reply to  NicklePickers

Link to your movies?

BryzMember since 2019
5 years ago

It really sucks that Hollywood has noticed that remaking an old film or creating a sequel has been more profitable than rolling the dice and trying something new. While this partially speaks to Hollywood itself, it also speaks to Americans and their interests. As someone already mentioned, we probably need baseball owners to fund a movie, but considering it would be a long-term investment, they don’t see it as beneficial.

Bartolo Cologne
5 years ago

Sad not to see a shoutout for Tiger Town! I’ve never been a Tigers fan but I loved that movie as a kid. One of the things that solidified my love for baseball as a child.

Richard Bergstrom
5 years ago

I remember that one 🙂

synco
5 years ago

I loved that one too.

Antonio BananasMember since 2016
5 years ago

I think movies can go a long way in adding character to baseball. There is so much that goes on (mentally) between pitches that casuals don’t know about. Movies can sort of teach that.

I think in today’s era, a series may be better. That show about the American football coach in the UK coaching soccer was great and made me understand/appreciate soccer more.

dl80Member since 2020
5 years ago

Bad News Bears in 2005 just about made back it’s cost. What about the Kevin Costner movie and the one with Dennis Quaid? I guess they weren’t really aimed at kids. Same for Fever Pitch.

synco
5 years ago
Reply to  dl80

The Rookie (Dennis Quaid) did very well. For Love of the Game (Kevin Costner) was a huge, painful bomb. Mr. 3000 (another recent-ish one) was also a bomb. Fever Pitch probably lost a few bucks, but nothing catastrophic. Bad News Bears probably lost quite a bit of money in the end, since the cost of a movie multiples once you had add in marketing and take out the theater’s cut.

Baseball movies are tough. Sports movies in general are tough, since they’re so regional/country-specific.

v2miccaMember since 2016
5 years ago

I have an irrational love for all kid’s baseball movies, even movies with a premise as patently absurd as Rookie of the Year. (Plus, John Candy in one of his final roles as a weary announcer for the Cubs is great stuff) So yeah, I am totally on board with another wave of these kinds of films being made for a new generation of baseball fans. I mean, just off the top of my head:

Catching Marlins: A young boy from a family of Cuban refugees struggles to adjust to his new home and through a series of events becomes a batboy for the Miami Marlins and ends up striking an unlikely friendship with the Marlins own Cuban born Catcher.

National Pride: A teen boy, struggling to come to terms with his own sexuality, finds release by pitching for a competitive travel team. However, as his rare talent begins to attract the attention of pro scouts, he becomes increasingly anxious about being outed. He finds an ally in a grizzled old scout for the Washington Nationals still looking for redemption years after failing his own son.

Snakebitten: A young girl living with her grandparents always seems to get stuck with the bad breaks in life. But in a rare stroke of luck, she wins a competition that grants her season tickets to her Beloved Diamondbacks for the year. During the course of the season, the girl and the Diamond Backs manage to turn their luck around.

Brew Crew: A misfit team of scrappy underdogs bond while trying to win a tournament where the championship game will be played in the Brewer’s American Family Field.

I mean, seriously, I could go on all day. The ideas write themselves. We just need to get some producers to invest in a script treatment and then toss some money at a Bryan Cranston type to headline the project.

Richard Bergstrom
5 years ago

On the subject of engaging kids, it’s quite a bit harder to get autographs from players than it used to be, at least for Rockies games. I took my kid to two to three games a year for eight or so years and was never able to get one, since the team only does signings on Sundays for a very brief time and not all players participate. It’s not just about the autograph but about that thirty seconds of time when you meet someone on TV face to face in all their uniformed glory. I wrote a THT article (May I Have Your Autograph Please) about my autograph story when I was a kid and it was a shame I couldn’t give a similar kind of story to them.

Side note, I was dabbling in a post apocalyptic science fiction baseball novel and had about 70k words done. Wouldn’t have been a kids movie though.

Lanidrac
5 years ago

The biggest problem I have with “Angels in the Outfield” (aside from minor quibbles like the AL RBI leader somehow batting 8th for the White Sox) is that the Angels DIDN’T actually win the Pennant by the end of the movie. They won the AL West Division Title, but the movie ended before they could play in the ALCS for the AL Pennant!

Otherwise, it’s a fantastic movie.

CheeseballMember since 2016
5 years ago

Great idea, but there might be a chicken and egg problem. Movies get funding when there’s a willing, wanting, waiting audience. I agree with the point about more diversity of characters, but I’d argue that ensemble casts are an underused approach these days, particularly for kids movies. An ensemble cast is one of the strengths of Sandlot and Major League, one of the weaknesses of Rookie of the Year, Angels in the Outfield, and, say Mr. 3000 or Mr. Baseball.