Ben Clemens FanGraphs Chat – 6/5/23
2:00 |
: Hey everybody, welcome to the chat
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2:02 |
: Let’s get started
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2:02 |
: Would the Pirates really entertain trading Bednar if they’re hanging around 1st come deadline time? Heard a little chatter about this, and how the Os did something similar last year. Thanks
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2:04 |
: I don’t really think the Pirates will, because at least as far as I can tell, Pittsburgh as a city is hungrier for a postseason berth than Baltimore was, and it feels like the Pirates really need the jolt
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2:04 |
: they haven’t won the NLC for probably 30 years
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2:05 |
: Why does JBJ still have a major league job? He’s 33 years old, in his third straight year of negative fWAR, and his wRC+ is 6. I understand the glove is still excellent, but there’s no reason the man should be allowed in a batter’s box.
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2:05 |
: Because Royals
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2:05 |
: Is José Berríos good again?
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2:05 |
: I guess so, huh?
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2:05 |
: how it happened I have no idea
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2:06 |
: but on the other hand, I don’t know how he turned bad in the first place
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2:08 |
: So I’m just gonna say that he’s extsremely inconsistent
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2:08 |
: I know you are not a big fantasy guy but if you had to choose 1 C to trade away in a dynasty league, would it be Realmuto, Sal Perez or F Alvarez? (Looking to win now)
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2:08 |
: oh surely Sal
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2:10 |
: Thoughts on Corbin Carroll? Given his success, what do you see as his ceiling performance wise?
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2:10 |
: I really do not like the concept of ceilings for players
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2:10 |
: like, his ceiling is that he wins multiple mvp awards
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2:11 |
: Need pitching help( who doesn’t) was offered Miles Mikolas for Lane Thomas. 12T deep Mixed Daily Roto. I belive I have enough Bats, will Mikolas be helpful with W, Whip, Era ? Thanks
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2:12 |
: I’m quite skeptical of Mikolas being a difference maker in fantasy
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2:13 |
: I’m sure he’ll be a reasonable starter for the cardinals
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2:13 |
: Pretty skeptical about him helping you on WHIP though
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2:13 |
Please give me hope that ‘meaningful Octobers’ aren’t receding into the past (again). |
2:14 |
: I think that the end of your question has a lot going on
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2:14 |
: the same group were indeed beasts last year
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2:14 |
: baseball is maddening that way
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2:14 |
: Hi Ben, thanks for taking my question. I have a question about WAR. I read that WAR is an approximation and can have margin of error of 1 and you would have a clearer picture looking after a sample size of a year. With that understanding, I am confused why people use WAR to compare players early in the season. Like a player A is 2.5 fWAR vs player B is 2.0 fWAR, so player A is having a better season. Is my understanding of WAR is incorrect? What am I missing here?
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2:15 |
: Nah, you’re pretty right. I think people overuse WAR in that specific way
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2:15 |
: Seiya’s statcast page is covered in red, yet his xBA remains .248. Would you use this as an example of how statcast can deceive you into thinking a player is better than he is, or an example of how we should wait for results to catch up with skills?
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2:17 |
: I think it’s also a great reminder that xBA isn’t a great stat
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2:17 |
: but no, seiya’s hitting the snot out of the ball, that’s a good thing
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2:18 |
: Can Bobby Miller (Dodgers) keep on his hot start? Or this is another case of small sample size? Will we see a regression because he isn’t supposed to be this good?
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2:19 |
: Can he keep pitching to a 1 ERA? I doubt it
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2:19 |
: Can he be a good major league starter right away? Totally
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2:19 |
: the stuff looks very real
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2:19 |
: Thanks for the welcome, Ben
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2:19 |
: For you specifically!
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2:19 |
: You’re in PT, but your chat time shows in ET. SAD
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2:19 |
: We know where our bread is buttered
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2:20 |
: ET is the de facto time zone of the US, you know?
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2:20 |
: Is there a place to find an expected k% stat? I’m thinking that it could be relatively easily derived from the plate discipline stats available on the player pages and related league averages. (LeMahieu, for instance, has more than doubled his k% and while his plate discipline specifics are worse they don’t seem to warrant that increase. Maybe they do, though—is there a less hand wavey way of making that claim?)
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2:20 |
: I’ve tried making a few versions of this and never quite gotten to one I’m happy with
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2:21 |
: I think that Dan occasionally shows some zK% type stats
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2:22 |
: the problem is that there’s a lot of difficulty generalizing because behaviors change based on the count
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2:23 |
: Good afternoon, Ben! A couple of STL Q’s for you. What will STL do with Wainwright if he continues to be smashed (only hitting 85 mph at the end of his last start), and does Jordan Walker refusing to change his swing change your evaluation of him? He’s over 60% grounders and still looks terrible in the outfield.
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2:24 |
: I mean, they’re gonna call Wainwright their ace and let him keep going
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2:24 |
: He’s Adam Wainwright!
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2:24 |
: As for Walker, my evaluation hasn’t changed much
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2:24 |
: i mean, he was mashing through the minors last year with the same swing
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2:25 |
: He’s 21
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2:25 |
: let’s take a breath
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2:25 |
: I was against him being up to start the year, though, and I don’t completely understand why the team is so insistent on making him help this year
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2:26 |
: like, it’s fine if your 21 year old mega prospectd isn’t immediately major league ready
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2:26 |
: regarding JBJ – the only reason he was signed was because Drew Waters was hurt preseason, and the only reason he’s on the team now is because Kyle Isbel is currently hurt. There are a lot of reasons to clown on the Royals but this isn’t one of them imo
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2:27 |
: I would have rather played a lot of other maybes than JBJ
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2:27 |
: if I’m the no-hope Royals
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2:28 |
: like, I totally understand the idea of signing competent veterans so that your squad is not a disater
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2:28 |
: disaster*
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2:28 |
: liked the Greinke signing and so on
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2:28 |
: I don’t put that in the same group
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2:28 |
: Played Terra Mystica for the first time with my Monday night game group last week. Very fun, very strategic. The asymmetrical play styles help keep things interesting!
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2:29 |
: I have never played, but I’d really like to
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2:29 |
: I’ve heard it’s very fun
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2:29 |
: pirates have never won the nlc 🙁
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2:29 |
: Oh wow, I guess they won long enough ago that it was the NLE then
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2:29 |
: If you are the Dbacks, what do you do about the Starting Pitching situation? They probably need 1-2 more decent arms, but they really need to see what they have in their glut of pitching prospects
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2:29 |
: I’d give the prospects more run
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2:29 |
: I agree
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2:31 |
: I think that yhou have to find out what you have, particularly with pitchers
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2:31 |
: sometimes they just click right off the bat
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2:32 |
: Farhan stated that SF Giants will be aggressive during the trade deadline. Isn’t it a little early to state this for a team under 500 and seems to be a pretty flawed team?
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2:32 |
: Respectfully: who cares
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2:32 |
: actions speak louder than wores
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2:32 |
: words*
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2:32 |
: why not say that and give the team confidence?
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2:33 |
: Re Francisco Lindor: Any theories or applicable analytics to explain the crash? He’s … awful.
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2:33 |
: take a breath, Steve
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2:34 |
: is my honest advice
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2:34 |
: he’s been worse than expected
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2:34 |
: if this is awful, like, jeez
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2:34 |
: there are probably not very many non-awful players in MLB then
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2:34 |
: Had a discussion with a friend last week about batter splits versus right- and left-handed pitching. Why do some players have worse (more different) splits than “average”? Is it an approach issue, is it something that is innate? For someone like Pete Alonso who has relatively similar results versus both sides – does it mean he underperforms against lefties or overperforms against righties or neither it’s just random?
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2:35 |
: I think it’s probably a mixture of the two
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2:36 |
: as to the first question
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2:36 |
: I’m sure that some of it is innate, and that some of ti changes
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2:38 |
: Sorry for my slow response time today, by the way
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2:38 |
: I am feelnig a bit under the weather and just moving slowly
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2:38 |
: I get that Ohtani is Ohtani, but am I crazy in thinking that Wander Franco (currently +2500 at my local sportsbook) could end up taking home the AL MVP as the best player on what might be a historically great team in a loaded division?
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2:38 |
: You are not, that seems very reasonable to me
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2:39 |
: 2 guys getting it done.. Keller of Buc’s and Eflin of Rays. Tossing away salaries, who would you want for 2024-2025?
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2:39 |
: Ooof….. probably Eflin, but I’m maybe too down on Keller
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2:39 |
: What is a reasonable expectation on return for a Joey Bart trade?
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2:39 |
: depth and lottery tickets I think
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2:40 |
: Are the Nationals out-performing expectations or did I just think they were going to be utter trash?
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2:40 |
: I think they are, yeah
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2:40 |
: Speaking of Baez, his K% is down around 18%, but, he has turned into a Larry Bowa type power hitter..ISO is at .090..Is this a case of Detroit trying to help him, but, only making things worse by taking him away from what he does well?
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2:40 |
: I definitely think that
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2:41 |
: Maybe with a side of aging, but Baez has always been really good at making the most out of bad swings
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2:42 |
: so taking away the bad swings doesn’t help him as much as it helps many plyaers
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2:42 |
: This whole chat: what are your thoughts on X? Answer: eh, I’m not worried.
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2:42 |
: People worry too much!
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2:43 |
: I think that there are appropriate amounts of worries but like
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2:43 |
: ‘Francisco Lindor is awful’
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2:43 |
: no he’s not
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2:43 |
: like, c’mon, we all know he’s not
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2:43 |
: Not random on splits imo. The way hitters see the ball. Not just the LHP or RHP. Also release point can affect this greatly. All batters see the ball differently
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2:44 |
: Oh it’s very clearly not random for pitchers
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2:44 |
: release point and arsenal matter a ton
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2:44 |
: since hitters by definition see a ton of different types of pitchers, though, theirs can be harder to parse
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2:44 |
: I agree that it’s not all random
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2:44 |
: But I do think that it takes a long time to tease out signal from noise
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2:44 |
: because there really is a lot of noise
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2:44 |
: No q just a thanks for the taverns rec. Smash hit after we figured out what we were doing
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2:45 |
: I’m really glad you like it!
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2:45 |
: Remains one of my favorite games
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2:45 |
: Who ARE you worried about Ben this season?
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2:47 |
: Ooh, fun one. Javy Baez I’d say, for sure
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2:47 |
: plenty of pitchers
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2:47 |
: I”m willing to believe pitchers are getting worse much more quickly than hitters
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2:48 |
: Trout, just because I’m afraid that time is catching up to him
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2:50 |
: With De La Crurz and CES crushing AAA and Votto on the mend, what would your Reds infield look like on July 1st?
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2:51 |
: It really depends on who is willing and or able to move to the outfield
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2:51 |
: But I think I’d want McLain 2b, DLC ss, Steer 3b, and I guess India DH/OF/etc
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2:52 |
: Votto is just really an awkward thing, like, ideally I’d want CES at first
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2:52 |
: but it’s just so tough to bench Votto
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2:52 |
: hopefully India plays a mean LF/RF
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2:52 |
: and then it all works
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2:52 |
: dom smith’s iso is at pete gray levels. seriously. gray .043, smith .038.
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2:53 |
: Yeah, poor Dom, but power hitting is just not his thing
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2:53 |
: Re: Afraid of trout in the sense he’s no longer a true talent 175 WRC+ player and just a normal great hitter?
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2:53 |
: Exactly this
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2:53 |
: Odds the Phillies pick up Scott Kingery’s options?
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2:54 |
: I think it’s just 0
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2:54 |
: They’re 14, 15, 16
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2:54 |
: like, nah
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2:54 |
: How much do you think the Rangers offense is going to regress after this ridiculous start?
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2:54 |
: For what it’s worth, we project them to have the 8th-best offense the rest of the way
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2:55 |
: maybe 7th, really, depending on park effects
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2:55 |
: so they’re not the braves/dodgers/astros/jays, but in the nexts tier
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2:55 |
: Do you ever think about how we’d talk about Mookie Betts if he didn’t play in the era or Trout and then Ohtani?
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2:55 |
: I sure do
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2:55 |
: Mookie is so great
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2:55 |
: He’s probably underrated
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2:56 |
: in that people talk about the dodgers as a team with a bunch of stars, instead of a team with Mookie Betts and then some stars
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2:56 |
: How was Wrigley?
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2:56 |
: It was cold! And really, really fun
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2:56 |
: what’s your reaction if edwin diaz makes it back this season?
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2:56 |
: I’ll just be amazed and happy
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2:56 |
: what do you make of Masataka Yoshida’s hot start, do you think it’s sustainable or that his defense will get better
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2:57 |
: I am a little skeptical that his defense is suddenly gonna get great, but maybe better than it is now?
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2:57 |
: Fenway LF is a great place to hide him anyway
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2:57 |
: I do believe in his offense though
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2:57 |
: How difficult is it to trade a player with a player option? Like is the return lower than expected or can you put in something like cash considerations if the player ends the season on the IL/picks up the player option due to regression?
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2:58 |
: I do think that PTBNL stuff happens fairly often. I also think it’s a lot easier to trade players with player options in the offseason, when there’s time to talk to the player about it first
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2:58 |
: Arenado had an opt out when he got traded, and they basically negotiated a new contract before doing the deal
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2:58 |
: You can’t exactly do that on July 29
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2:58 |
: Also, it’s easier if the option is either certain to get picked up or certain to get declined, of course
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2:59 |
: The Os are an enigma. Seems like the standard take is Mullins+Adley+bullpen+luck=profit, but there has to be more going on. It looks like the starting pitching has been a lot better than advertised, though still not exactly trustworthy. No?
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2:59 |
: Yeah, I think that they’ve shown the abililty to get a lot out of their pitching
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2:59 |
: And yeah, great hitters
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2:59 |
: Soroka sent back to AAA after two poor starts. Do you think he’s going to figure it out, learn his new mechanics, and get back to being a respectable rotation option, or is the beginning of the end?
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2:59 |
: I do not think it’s knowable right now
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2:59 |
: I watched one of his two starts, and yeah, he didn’t look good
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3:00 |
: time will tell on this one. I am really rooting for him, but these ‘will a pitcher come back from injury’ deals are just crapshoots at times
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3:00 |
: particularly with his incredibly long injury history
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3:00 |
: Okay, I’m gonna call it a wrap for today, sorry for a short chat. Talk to you all next week
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Ben is a writer at FanGraphs. He can be found on Bluesky @benclemens.
Btw angry Mets fan, McNeil is striking out at a career low 8.7% rate this year. Maybe look at a stats page before speaking out your bum
And comparing Lindor’s plate discipline to Baez’s as well!
Though Baez is only striking out 19% this season, am really surprised by that. Its not really working for him, though as his wRC+ is about 30 points lower than Lindor.
McNeil has been fine but no one would say good. Lindor has a .280 obp and his strikeout numbers are poor. Again he’s not a terrible player but he’s been playing poorly. Marte the same. Canha the same. It’s odd that almost every player has performed significantly worse.