Bob Brenly: You Were a Good Hitter


“Without a mustache, a man must make a name for himself with a bat.”
–Ghandi

Since time forever, Chicago Cubs broadcaster Bob Brenly has joked good-humor’dly about how terrible a hitter he was. For years, I had just taken him at his word, assumed that Bob Brenly was the worst worst hitter ever — a hitter whose home runs came on windy days, whose singles bounced ten times before leaving the infield, and whose walks came only on failed beanings.

But that is simply not true. Recently Mr. Brenly remarked he wanted to see an advanced stat that said he was a good hitter. I’ll give him three.

First, let us dispel the likely culprit for Brenly’s inferiority complex, the obsolete, so-called batting average:

Batting average says Brenly is one of the worst hitters of his era.

Mr. Brenly, batting average is a bigger liar than than the bathroom mirror. Infielder Jerry Remy hit .275 in his 10-year career; you hit .247 over 9 seasons. Batting average says Remy was a better hitter than you, but Remy hit a homer only 0.1% of the time — you cracked a donger in 3% of your plate appearances — Remy didn’t even hit doubles with such frequency. Remy got a two-bagger 2.8% of his PAs, while you doubled 4.0% of the time.

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Batting average hides the fact that Remy rarely hit for extra bases; it just tells us he got hits. As F.C. Lane might say, Remy had a lot of coins, but they were all pennies.

If we look at, say weighted runs created plus (wRC+), we get a much more clear picture of Brenly’s hitting ability. The wRC+ stat looks at the real-world value of each hit type and then compares them to the league and the ballpark they we hit in. The net result is a simple scale, where 100 equals league average, and each point away from 100 is a percentage point moving away from the average.

In other words, Brenly career 104 wRC+ tells us that the league average was 4% worse than Brenly. Putting that in context with Brenly’s era, we see wRC+ ranks him above the middle of the pack, away from the bottom third:

But Brenly played catcher — the position where we expect the least offensive production. Comparing him to lumbering, limp-arm’d first basemen and designated hitters is like putting ketchup on a hot dog. Why do it when there is mustard, literally, everywhere?

Against the catchers of his era, Brenly ranks as the 13th best hitter:

Now, it is worth mentioning Brenly did not catch many base-stealers in his day. If that were all a catcher ever did, then Brenly was not a great defensive catcher. But since we know the world of catching stats is still woefully under-grown — especially in the 1980s — we can declare only that Brenly did not throw out runners very well, but that he could have excelled in other areas (blocking pitches, framing, game-calling, etc.) leaving his total defensive value a complete question mark.

So where does Brenly rank among all-time catchers? I’m glad you asked because I already made the chart for it:

As far as catchers go, Brenly’s hitting ranked in the top third of all time. That’s saying something. That’s 142 seasons and 541 catchers with Brenly ranking No. 87. The usual suspects are at the top: No. 2 Mike Piazza (140 wRC+), No. 4 King Kelly (134 wRC+), and No. 15 Johnny Bench (125 wRC+), but Brenly beats out No. 91 Russell Martin (103 wRC+), No. 94 Ryan Doumit (103 wRC+), and especially Brenly’s contemporary and four-time All-Star No. 318 Bob Boone (80 wRC+) — who had a better batting average, but worse production. However, Boone was a better defensive catcher in all likelihood.

If we want to consider career length — because if there is one thing that is difficult to do as a catcher, it is stay healthy — then we can look at weight runs created (wRC, not wRC+) which is a counting stat. Think of it as a proxy for RBI, except it does not care where you hit in the order or whether or not your teammates actually got on base in front of you.

By wRC, Brenly ranks No. 176 with 350 weighted runs created — well beneath No. 1 Ivan Rodriguez (1379 wRC) and No. 2 Carlton Fisk (1364 wRC):

But Brenly was the Giants’ primary catcher for only 4 seasons; he finished his career with just a shade under 3000 PA. In 1988, the Giants began shifting playing time to C Bob Melvin and C Kirt Manwaring. Why? I don’t know. I was literally one year old at the time, so I was probably just watching the Cubs, but maybe Brenly was injured or something — because his replacements were, offensively, terrible by comparison.

It is a shame, really, that Brenly’s career started so late (he reached the majors as a 27-year-old and didn’t become a starter until age 30). He average 2.2 WAR per 500 PA, and if we discount his below average (and woefully incomplete) fielding numbers, he ranks as 2.5 wins per season guy. Russell Martin — over the last few season at least — is a very apt comparison here.

I wish Brenly could have played more. Because he — you, Mr. Brenly — was a great hitter.





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James Gentile
14 years ago

Chin up, Bob!

BDF
14 years ago

I’ve always hated Bob Brenly for stealing Don Carman’s perfect game.

MojotronicaMember since 2020
14 years ago

Great article – thanks for this!

steve-o
14 years ago

I’m glad that I’m not the only Cubs fan looking for distractions this early on in the season. Good read, thanks.

msnyderMember since 2026
14 years ago

A 104 wRC+ mean’s he’s 4% better than league average, not that league average is 4% worse than him.

But it was a great post!

Alex RemingtonMember since 2020
14 years ago
Reply to  msnyder

Actually, no. That’s a common misconception.

ERA+ does not tell you that a pitcher’s ERA was X% less or more than the league’s ERA. It tells you that the league’s ERA was X% less or more than the pitcher’s ERA. If you want to claim that the league’s ERA being X% more than an individual’s ERA means that the pitcher was X% better than average, you can try, but it will require a very odd and very convoluted definition of “better” to hold up as logically consistent.

http://walksaber.blogspot.com/2010/03/esoteric-ramblings-about.html

The reason that we use ERA- instead of ERA+ on this site is precisely for this reason. A guy with an ERA- of 96 is precisely 4% better than league average. But a guy with an ERA+ of 104, you have to say that the league was 4% worse than him. It’s a matter of denominators.

Alex RemingtonMember since 2020
14 years ago
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delv
14 years ago
Reply to  Alex Remington

I was familiar with this problem for ERA+, but how does it apply to wRC+? Why would the denominator/numerator be flipped for that, too?

DJG
14 years ago

Tough out in RBI Baseball, that’s for sure.

shthar
14 years ago
Reply to  DJG

Usually a good strat card too.

West
14 years ago

Someone’s looking for cheap publicity from Len Casper

slash12Member since 2021
14 years ago
Reply to  West

yup, does anyone know if this was mentioned on the recent broadcast? (I kinda doubt it, the statistics here are a little advanced for the general cubs audience)

mpribs
14 years ago
Reply to  slash12

Yes. In the top of the 3rd, Len and Bob discussed this piece for roughly two minutes.

mpribs
14 years ago
Reply to  slash12

Sorry, on Friday’s (4/27) broadcast.

JFTimm
14 years ago

As someone who is old enough to have seen Bob Brenly play, and he was a bad defensive catcher. That makes sense, since he was only converted to catching after three years in the minors as a way to stay in the game. It was either catch or look for another career. As you point out, in an era where the running game was everything, Brenly was poor at throwing out batters. He also looked awkward getting out of the crouch and fielding the position. Maybe he looked worse than he was. He wasn’t awful, but he wasn’t good.

In “Win Shares,” Bill James ranks Brenly’s defense as a “C” which I thought was generous until I noticed that Mike Piazza got a “C+”. So I guess Brenly was just barely good enough behind the plate that you could live with him there. The Giants often played him at third, first and in the outfield to get his bat in the lineup, which is a pretty good indication that he wasn’t a very good defensive catcher.

steex
14 years ago
Reply to  JFTimm

That would seem to be evidence not only that he wasn’t a very good defensive catcher, but also that he was a reasonably good hitter! Teams don’t typically search for ways to get mediocre or bad bats into the lineup.

Jack Zduriencik
14 years ago
Reply to  steex

“Teams don’t typically search for ways to get mediocre or bad bats into the lineup.”

Nonsense! I do!

magdalencollege
14 years ago
Reply to  JFTimm

I too saw Brenly play, and I agree that he was a below average defender. But he consistently threw out runners at a rate greater than the league average. And this was in spite of catching a staff of pitchers who relied primarily on breaking balls and splitters – not exactly the best pitches to handle when the likes of Vince Coleman, Willie McGee, and Eric Davis are running. Brenly’s arm was significantly better than Piazza’s or Posada’s.

I have no idea how Bill James could rate Piazza a C+ defensively. I think even Bill James’s judgment was clouded by Piazza’s bat. Piazza was a travesty behind the plate.

baked mcbride
14 years ago

Kal Daniels? How did that happen?

reillocity
14 years ago
Reply to  baked mcbride

A combo of mashing RHP and limiting his exposure to LHP. From 1986-9, 75% (1083/1444) of his PAs came against RHP, and he hit them to the tune of a .327/.426/.570 slash line. Conversely, his vs LHP slashline during that period was .227/.350/.317. He saw more action against LHP in 1988, and enough so to allow to him qualify and win the NL’s mythical OBP crown. Though knee problems ended his career at 28, he’d probably rank pretty high on the all-time OPS vs RHP list (.930).

dat cubfan daver
14 years ago

Nice job, Brad. I trust Len will delve into this in tomorrow’s broadcast. (You will, won’t you, Len?)

eastsider
14 years ago

Try and find a stat that shows he is a good announcer. Can’t be done. Should have stuck to catching.

Cody
14 years ago
Reply to  eastsider

I really like him.

Brandon
14 years ago
Reply to  Cody

Agreed. I find Len and Bob to be one of the better duos in all of baseball.

Dealer A
14 years ago

Now prove that Bob Uecker was a good hitter, lol.

VillainMember since 2024
14 years ago

Nice article, thanks.

bstar
14 years ago

Good write-up. Cool graphs too, bro. What I remember most about Brenly as a player was his fierce competitiveness.

yarly
14 years ago

who is ghandi

mike1040
14 years ago

Thanks for a great article.
I remember seeing Brenley play also. I remember him as an above mentioned “fierce competitor” in a day of blase veterans. He hates to lose. There were no sabermetrics then, at least not for the average fan, and I remember him as being an ok defensive catcher with average skills. I seem to remember him as being really good at calling a game. Was he Yogi, or Johnny Bench?? NOPE. but certainly a fine journeyman.
As a broadcaster color man, I think he is excellent. He doesn’t talk too much, like some of his peers, and what he says is interesting and funny. He certainly is a great baseball man with his experience as a manager of a world champion team. A perfect partner of Len Kasper I might add.
I admire him and respect him as a person and a man and I wish him every success and congratulate him on a great ongoing career.

Tom
14 years ago

He was better behind the plate than Johnny Rabb. I know that much.

Anon
14 years ago

Hmm, Brenly was signed by the Giants as a 22 yo undrafted free agent. How many undrafted American kids ever end up making the majors? It has to be a tiny, tiny number.

dxclancy
14 years ago

Competitor Bob Brenly

Commit 4 errors in one inning
Win game with walk off homer

Dr van Nostrand
14 years ago

Any article that references Barry Foote is alright in my book!