Building the Farm: American League West
Prospect lists are one of the best parts of the off-season. Marc Hulet published his top 100 yesterday as the culmination of several months of work, and Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, Keith Law, John Sickels and a plethora of websites have published others. Each group puts myriad hours into analyzing, calling, writing, editing, re-analyzing and finally publishing their work. But even after all that, they usually come to several different conclusions. I decided — instead of focusing on a specific list — to generate a list that combined each of these lists into one.
The idea of community or consensus lists isn’t new. Sites have done it before, but I’ve added some wrinkles:
- I included team lists from Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, John Sickels, Keith Law, Jonathan Mayo, Bullpen Banter and our own Marc Hulet. There are more lists out there, but I needed to cut it off at some point. These were the lists that an unscientific Twitter crowd-source noted, and they are also sites I visit often. If you use another site, please leave it in the comments, and I might use it in future research.
- I also included team-centric blogs for each team to add a local flavor to the mix. They may be higher/lower on certain prospects, but they add a voice from those who follow the team closely. Suggestions for teams in the remaining divisions are welcome.
- Overall grades and risks are added, as well. Prospect lists for each team only allow comparison within each system, but adding overall 20-80 grades and risks give us the ability to cross-examine lists more objectively. Unfortunately, Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus are currently the only ones that include a specific final grade of these characteristics, with Sickels adding a letter grade that combines the two. The grades and risk, however, help us examine prospects across systems and over various years.
The last five columns for each team are averaged scores.
- AVG – This is the average ranking for each prospect. I didn’t use a points system because the lists do not cover a standard number of players. Averaging the numbers by only including the lists each was ranked will help someone who has only been named in one or two lists, but it will also highlight where some controversial prospects might be.
- RANK – This is the numbered order based on the average scores. I hope this score will highlight where gaps can be when looking at the differences between prospects.
- GRADE – This is the average grades for players listed in Baseball America and in Baseball Prospectus.
- RISK – This is the averaged “Risk Rating” for each prospect. The point system is unscientific and is subject to change in the future with more research. It is currently:
- Safe – 0 points
- Low – 1 point
- Medium/Moderate – 2 points
- High – 3 points
- Extreme – 4 points
- RISK – the qualitative risk based off the “Risk Rating”. Currently:
- Safe – less than 1
- Low – greater than or equal to 1 or less than 2
- Medium – greater than or equal to 2 or less than 3
- High – greater than or equal to 3 or less than 4
- Extreme – equal to 4
Below the prospect lists, I calculated the average grade and risk for the entire system: the prospects with grades of 50-or-better and the prospects with grades of 60-or-better. When we get through all of the lists, I’ll put up the overall scores along with the major outlets’ farm rankings.
(The Google Doc with the individual lists and the team-specific blogs for this division can be found here)
Houston Astros
| Player | Pos | AVG | RANK | GRADE | RISK | RISK |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Carlos Correa | SS | 1.50 | 1 | 70.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Jonathan Singleton | 1B | 1.63 | 2 | 67.5 | 2.0 | Medium |
| George Springer | OF | 3.00 | 3 | 62.5 | 3.0 | High |
| Delino DeShields | 2B | 4.50 | 4 | 57.5 | 2.5 | Medium |
| Jarred Cosart | RHP | 5.50 | 5 | 57.5 | 2.5 | Medium |
| Lance McCullers | RHP | 6.13 | 6 | 67.5 | 3.5 | High |
| Mike Foltynewicz | RHP | 7.50 | 7 | 52.5 | 2.5 | Medium |
| Rio Ruiz | 3B | 8.50 | 8 | 57.5 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Nick Tropeano | RHP | 9.20 | 9 | 50.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Domingo Santana | OF | 9.71 | 10 | 55.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Jonathan Villar | SS | 9.86 | 11 | 55.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Robbie Grossman | OF | 12.17 | 12 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Nolan Fontana | SS | 12.60 | 13 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Colton Cain | LHP | 13.00 | 14 | – | – | – |
| Asher Wojciechowski | RHP | 13.60 | 15 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Joe Musgrove | RHP | 14.00 | 16 | – | – | – |
| Preston Tucker | OF | 14.00 | 17 | – | – | – |
| Kevin Comer | RHP | 14.50 | 18 | – | – | – |
| Ariel Ovando | OF | 14.67 | 19 | – | – | – |
| Marc Krauss | OF | 15.00 | 20 | – | – | – |
| Vincent Velasquez | RHP | 15.00 | 21 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Jose Cisnero | RHP | 15.00 | 22 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Adrian Houser | RHP | 17.00 | 23 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Carlos Perez | C | 17.00 | 24 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Nate Freiman | 1B | 19.00 | 25 | – | – | – |
| Ross Seaton | RHP | 20.00 | 26 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Brady Rogers | RHP | 20.25 | 27 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Josh Fields | RHP | 21.00 | 28 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Chia-Jen Lo | RHP | 21.00 | 29 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Brett Phillips | OF | 21.50 | 30 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Paul Clemens | RHP | 22.33 | 31 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Aaron West | RHP | 23.00 | 32 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Jio Mier | SS | 23.00 | 33 | – | – | – |
| Brett Oberholtzer | LHP | 24.00 | 34 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Andrew Aplin | OF | 25.00 | 35 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Bobby Borchering | 1B/OF | 26.00 | 36 | – | – | – |
| Austin Wates | OF | 27.00 | 37 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Tyler Heineman | C | 29.00 | 38 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Chris Devenski | RHP | 30.00 | 39 | – | – | – |
| System Grade | System Risk | 50+ | 50+ Grade | 50+ Risk | 60+ | 60+ Grade | 60+ Risk |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 51.638 | 2.621 | 18 | 55.694 | 2.889 | 4 | 66.875 | 2.875 |
The American League’s newest member has recently received valuable new additions through trades and the recent draft. Carlos Correa and Jonathan Singleton flip-flopped in most rankings, but a third-place finish in the Bullpen Banter rankings put Singleton second overall. The players with the largest range of outcomes were Adrian Houser and Carlos Perez, who found themselves in the top 10 of one list but the late 20s in another.
Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim
| Player | Pos | AVG | RANK | GRADE | RISK | RISK |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kaleb Cowart | 3B | 1.00 | 1 | 62.5 | 3.0 | High |
| Nick Maronde | LHP | 2.63 | 2 | 50.0 | 1.5 | Low |
| CJ Cron | 1B | 2.88 | 3 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Taylor Lindsey | 2B | 4.38 | 4 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Randal Grichuk | OF | 6.88 | 5 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| RJ Alvarez | RHP | 8.00 | 6 | 55.0 | 2.5 | Medium |
| Kole Calhoun | OF | 8.57 | 7 | 40.0 | 1.0 | Low |
| Alex Yarbrough | 2B | 9.00 | 8 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Nick Mutz | RHP | 10.00 | 9 | – | – | – |
| Austin Wood | RHP | 10.43 | 10 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Michael Clevinger | RHP | 11.29 | 11 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Luis Jimenez | 3B | 11.67 | 12 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Mark Sappington | RHP | 12.17 | 13 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Jose Rondon | SS | 12.75 | 14 | 47.5 | 3.5 | High |
| AJ Schugel | RHP | 12.83 | 15 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Chevez Clarke | OF | 13.00 | 16 | – | – | – |
| Daniel Tillman | RHP | 13.17 | 17 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Eric Stamets | SS/2B | 13.80 | 18 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Eswarlin Jimenez | LHP | 14.00 | 19 | – | – | – |
| Andrew Romine | SS/2B | 14.00 | 20 | 40.0 | 1.0 | Low |
| Ryan Chaffee | RHP | 14.00 | 21 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Travis Witherspoon | OF | 14.80 | 22 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Cam Bedrosian | RHP | 16.00 | 23 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Yency Almonte | RHP | 16.00 | 24 | 50.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Jonathan Walsh | OF | 18.00 | 25 | – | – | – |
| Victor Alcantara | RHP | 18.00 | 26 | 50.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Austin Adams | RHP | 18.00 | 27 | – | – | – |
| Sherman Johnson | 2B | 19.00 | 28 | – | – | – |
| Arjenis Fernandez | RHP | 20.50 | 29 | 50.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Wade Hinkle | 1B | 21.00 | 30 | – | – | – |
| Zach Wright | C | 21.00 | 31 | – | – | – |
| Reid Scoggins | RHP | 22.00 | 32 | 50.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Eduar Lopez | RHP | 23.00 | 33 | 50.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Steven Geltz | RHP | 23.00 | 34 | 40.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Carlos Ramirez | C | 24.50 | 35 | – | – | – |
| Ryan Brasier | RHP | 25.00 | 36 | 40.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Brandon Sisk | LHP | 25.00 | 37 | – | – | – |
| Drew Taylor | LHP | 26.50 | 38 | 40.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Kevin Johnson | RHP | 29.00 | 39 | 40.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Michael Roth | LHP | 29.00 | 40 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| System Grade | System Risk | 50+ | 50+ Grade | 50+ Risk | 60+ | 60+ Grade | 60+ Risk |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 47.333 | 2.817 | 16 | 51.094 | 3.188 | 1 | 62.500 | 3.000 |
The loss of Mike Trout and the lack of replenishment in recent drafts has left the Angels’ cupboard fairly bare. Their system grade fell four points below the Astros, and the Angels have only two prospects above a 55 grade in the entire system. Cam Bedrosian seems to be the most controversial prospect in the system, netting a six and a nine ranking while also getting a 27 and 28.
Oakland Athletics
| Player | Pos | AVG | RANK | GRADE | RISK | RISK |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Addison Russell | SS | 1.25 | 1 | 65.0 | 2.5 | Medium |
| Michael Choice | OF | 2.75 | 2 | 57.5 | 3.0 | High |
| Dan Straily | RHP | 3.00 | 3 | 50.0 | 1.5 | Low |
| Sonny Gray | RHP | 4.25 | 4 | 57.5 | 2.5 | Medium |
| Brad Peacock | RHP | 4.25 | 5 | 55.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Grant Green | OF | 6.38 | 6 | 47.5 | 1.5 | Low |
| Miles Head | 3B | 6.88 | 7 | 50.0 | 2.5 | Medium |
| Daniel Robertson | 3B | 7.50 | 8 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Renato Nunez | 3B | 8.13 | 9 | 57.5 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Nolan Sanburn | RHP | 9.38 | 10 | 55.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Matt Olson | 1B | 11.00 | 11 | 52.5 | 3.0 | High |
| Max Stassi | C | 12.00 | 12 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Pedro Figueroa | LHP | 12.00 | 13 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Vicmel de la Cruz | OF | 12.50 | 14 | – | – | – |
| Ian Krol | LHP | 13.67 | 15 | – | – | – |
| David Freitas | C | 14.00 | 16 | – | – | – |
| Michael Ynoa | RHP | 14.67 | 17 | 55.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Michael Taylor | OF | 14.75 | 18 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Shane Peterson | OF | 15.00 | 19 | – | – | – |
| Max Muncy | 1B | 15.00 | 20 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| BA Vollmuth | 3B | 15.00 | 21 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Chris Bostick | 2B | 15.25 | 22 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Raul Alcantara | RHP | 15.33 | 23 | 50.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| BJ Boyd | OF | 16.33 | 24 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Jefry Marte | 3B | 18.00 | 25 | – | – | – |
| Beau Taylor | C | 18.00 | 26 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Aaron Shipman | OF | 18.50 | 27 | 50.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Blake Hassebrock | RHP | 19.00 | 28 | – | – | – |
| Seth Streich | RHP | 20.00 | 29 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Stephen Parker | 3B | 20.50 | 30 | 40.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Bruce Maxwell | C | 23.00 | 31 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Arnold Leon | RHP | 23.50 | 32 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Bobby Crocker | OF | 24.00 | 33 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Andrew Carignan | RHP | 27.00 | 34 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Josh Bowman | RHP | 29.00 | 35 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| System Grade | System Risk | 50+ | 50+ Grade | 50+ Risk | 60+ | 60+ Grade | 60+ Risk |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 50.086 | 2.845 | 19 | 52.895 | 3.053 | 1 | 65.000 | 2.500 |
Addison Russell almost took unanimous honors as the system’s top prospect after only a few months in professional ball. He is the only 60-plus prospect in a system that seems to lack high-ceiling talent while also having the division’s highest Risk Rating. Recent acquisition Raul Alcantara sees the largest range in rankings as the 19-year old made a couple top 10/11 appearances while also coming in 25th on another.
Seattle Mariners
| Player | Pos | AVG | RANK | GRADE | RISK | RISK |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Taijuan Walker | RHP | 1.38 | 1 | 70.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Mike Zunino | C | 2.00 | 2 | 57.5 | 1.5 | Low |
| Danny Hultzen | LHP | 2.75 | 3 | 60.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Nick Franklin | SS | 4.13 | 4 | 52.5 | 1.5 | Low |
| James Paxton | LHP | 5.00 | 5 | 52.5 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Brandon Maurer | RHP | 7.00 | 6 | 52.5 | 2.5 | Medium |
| Brad Miller | SS | 7.86 | 7 | 50.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Carter Capps | RHP | 8.00 | 8 | 55.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Victor Sanchez | RHP | 8.43 | 9 | 57.5 | 3.5 | High |
| Stefen Romero | 3B/OF | 9.71 | 10 | 50.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Luis Gohara | LHP | 10.75 | 11 | 65.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Stephen Pryor | RHP | 11.67 | 12 | 45.0 | 1.0 | Low |
| Tyler Pike | LHP | 12.38 | 13 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Jordan Shipers | LHP | 13.00 | 14 | – | – | – |
| Joseph DeCarlo | 3B | 13.33 | 15 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Gabriel Guerrero | OF | 13.75 | 16 | 55.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Patrick Kivlehan | 3B | 14.33 | 17 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Jack Marder | C | 15.67 | 18 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Leon Landry | OF | 16.25 | 19 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Vincent Catricala | 3B/OF | 17.00 | 20 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Francisco Martinez | 3B | 17.00 | 21 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Martin Peguero | SS | 17.00 | 22 | – | – | – |
| Carson Smith | RHP | 17.67 | 23 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Edwin Diaz | RHP | 18.00 | 24 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Timothy Lopes | 2B | 18.25 | 25 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| John Hicks | C | 18.33 | 26 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Guillermo Pimentel | OF | 19.00 | 27 | – | – | – |
| Julio Morban | OF | 19.67 | 28 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Jabari Blash | OF | 24.00 | 29 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Anthony Fernandez | LHP | 24.50 | 30 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Chance Ruffin | RHP | 27.00 | 31 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Chris Taylor | SS | 28.00 | 32 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Ramon Morla | 3B | 29.00 | 33 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Logan Bawcom | RHP | – | 34 | – | – | – |
| System Grade | System Risk | 50+ | 50+ Grade | 50+ Risk | 60+ | 60+ Grade | 60+ Risk |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 51.250 | 2.500 | 22 | 53.523 | 2.727 | 3 | 65.000 | 3.000 |
Seattle has one of the better farm systems in baseball, but while the overall ranking is just third in the division, it has the lowest Risk Rating. That shouldn’t be surprising considering many of Seattle’s top prospects are in Double-A or above. Taijuan Walker heads the list , but Mike Zunino and Danny Hultzen aren’t too far behind due to their higher floors/relative risk. Vinnie Catricala has the widest range of rankings as he comes in eighth in one, 26th in another and is left off the other lists.
Texas Rangers
| Player | Pos | AVG | RANK | GRADE | RISK | RISK |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jurickson Profar | SS | 1.00 | 1 | 72.5 | 1.0 | Low |
| Mike Olt | 3B | 2.00 | 2 | 62.5 | 1.5 | Low |
| Martin Perez | LHP | 3.63 | 3 | 55.0 | 1.5 | Low |
| Leonys Martin | OF | 3.75 | 4 | 50.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Cody Buckel | RHP | 5.17 | 5 | 50.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Jorge Alfaro | C | 7.13 | 6 | 65.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Justin Grimm | RHP | 8.00 | 7 | 52.5 | 1.5 | Low |
| Luke Jackson | RHP | 8.43 | 8 | 55.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Luis Sardinas | SS | 8.63 | 9 | 60.0 | 3.5 | High |
| Joey Gallo | 3B | 8.88 | 10 | 62.5 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Lewis Brinson | OF | 9.50 | 11 | 62.5 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Nomar Mazara | OF | 11.00 | 12 | 57.5 | 3.5 | High |
| Rougned Odor | 2B | 11.33 | 13 | 50.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Jairo Beras | OF | 12.60 | 14 | 55.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Ronald Guzman | OF | 13.00 | 15 | 57.5 | 3.5 | High |
| Will Lamb | LHP | 13.00 | 16 | – | – | – |
| Wilmer Font | RHP | 14.25 | 17 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| CJ Edwards | RHP | 15.25 | 18 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Engel Beltre | OF | 16.00 | 19 | – | – | – |
| Roman Mendez | RHP | 16.67 | 20 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Nick Williams | OF | 17.67 | 21 | 55.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Leury Garcia | 2B | 18.00 | 22 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Hanser Alberto | SS | 18.67 | 23 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Neil Ramirez | RHP | 19.50 | 24 | 45.0 | 2.0 | Medium |
| Kevin Matthews | LHP | 20.00 | 25 | – | – | – |
| Nicholas Tepesch | RHP | 21.00 | 26 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Drew Robinson | 3B | 22.50 | 27 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Nick Martinez | RHP | 23.50 | 28 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Zach Cone | OF | 24.00 | 29 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Jordan Akins | OF | 25.00 | 30 | – | – | – |
| Chad Bell | LHP | 27.00 | 31 | – | – | – |
| Keone Kela | RHP | 27.50 | 32 | 50.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Matt West | RHP | 28.00 | 33 | 50.0 | 4.0 | Extreme |
| Kellin Deglan | C | 28.00 | 34 | – | – | – |
| Randy Henry | RHP | 29.00 | 35 | 45.0 | 3.0 | High |
| Joe Ortiz | LHP | 30.00 | 36 | 40.0 | 1.0 | Low |
| Lisalverto Bonilla | RHP | 30.00 | 37 | – | – | – |
| System Grade | System Risk | 50+ | 50+ Grade | 50+ Risk | 60+ | 60+ Grade | 60+ Risk |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 53.417 | 2.833 | 27 | 54.537 | 2.926 | 6 | 64.167 | 3.000 |
The Rangers have an interesting organization. Its three best prospects have relatively low risks, but the system is full of high risk/high reward types. That translates into Texas having the highest system grade and the division’s second-highest Risk Rating. Six prospects have “extreme” risks, and five of those have grades of 55 and above.
What exactly is the Risk rating? Is it the likelihood of the players’ talents impacting the ML team?
Yeah, it would be great to have more discussion of what exactly you are measuring with ‘risk.’ Allocating a roster spot on a minor-league team is not a huge investment from an MLB club’s perspective, so what do you mean when you say that, for example, Joey Gallo is an ‘extreme’ risk? If it’s just a measure of the likelihood that he will develop into the Xth percentile of his ceiling, then perhaps you should rename it to reflect that?
Good question. The grade for each prospect is a sort of realistic/reasonable ceiling. Risk is how likely it is for them to reach that. The risks come from Baseball America and Baseball Prospectus.
That raises a question about Ynoa for me. I’m not all that familar with his stuff, but my impression is (was?) that his ceiling is still crazy high, but at this point the risk is obviously “extreme.” Are there no longer any hopes that his ceiling really is that high?
It depends on your definition of “high”. When he first signed, his ceiling was like a 70, but after all the injuries and missed time, that has dropped. His risk is still extreme because he hasn’t pitched enough to make any real developmental strides. But if he shows signs of life, people are still ready to jump back on the bandwagon a bit.
I really like this concept, thanks for the work!
So Mark, I’ll second that. ‘Preciate the massive effort of aggregating the different eval systems into a single chart. Really improves comparisons, and it’s a pretty fair snapshot of how the prospect evaluation sphere _as a whole_ views a particular player.
On the whole I’m not boggled by any particular rating, and the rankings and risk aspects make sense. That said, Martin Perez, Low Risk? I wonder what all those evaluators are thinking there. Which speaks to one aspect of these evaluations: they tend to be a bit backward looking more than projective to me. If someone was thought highly of once, that ‘read’ on the guy seems to stick to him even if the results seem to have gone stale a bit. That’s not a knock on your effort, Mark. You’re calling like _they_ see it, so at least we have the consensus view, as sought.
Man will Texas feel the sting of the new international bonus caps. Their system is studded (so to speak) by all that offshore talent, risky or not. That part of their farm got them where they are today, and it’s not going to be as big for them going forward.
It’s somewhat of a surprise to see how comparatively weak Oakland’s farm system is, but maybe I shouldn’t be surprised. Beane spends most of his time dealing for major league ready guys from other orgs rather than on sign-and-develop; his own system seems mostly used for trade bait. It’s an extreme approach, so it’s interesting so see how much/little success he has with it over an extended period of time.
Seattle’s system looks so _massively_ different than before Jack Zd and Tom MacN came into town. They haven’t had the success with the major leage roster one wants (and has been expected) but the depth and diversity of talent in the system is a sea change; as it were. And so many high value relief arms too, “Trading time!”
Houston . . . nowhere to go but up, baby.
Cool post! I like the grade rating! I am deciding between Addison Russell and Carlos Correa in my keeper league. This at least helps put Correa’s talent on a different level. Russell with play sooner though…
Interesting that there is no ‘safe’ player on these teams. I guess that’s a prospect for you! No such thing as a ‘safe’ one!
There aren’t even safe players in the MLB. Anyone could miss a huge amount of time and it wouldn’t be a surprise.
No offense, but this extremely long post is wrecking the front page. Everything except the first paragraph desperately needs to go behind a cut.
Actually, it looks more shorter here than on the front page. Also, the charts are just gigantic blank spaces out there. Seems like maybe a tag got left open somewhere; either way, most of it should still be behind a cut.
Sorry about that. Forgot to insert the “jump”. Just corrected that.
Great work! It might be interesting to include an indicator for how advanced each prospect is – perhaps by including the level they ended last season at (AAA, AA, …), or maybe a projection for what year they might make the majors.
I don’t get the disliking of Mike Zunino
#2 prospect in an excellent system is hardly disliking. . .
excellent piece, I really like this. And I like Tropeano A LOT more than most. . . really like his change
Yeah, being behind one of the best prospects in the game isn’t exactly an insult. He still received a 55 and 60 rating, which would make him an above-average regular (3-4 wins) at catcher. Nothing wrong with that.
exactly, Walker’s upside is so huge, hard to put Z ahead of him.
Trope is (was) a well-kept secret amongst Astros prospect hounds. Can’t wait to see how he moves up in the minors.
OAK prospects C Max Stassi and P Brad Peacock can be added to the Astros prospect list.
Yep, you’re right. I’ll look into changing it.
Nice article/compilation btw
Appreciate it. I’m having issues with inserting the tables right now, but HOU new Sys Grade is 51.694 with a Risk of 2.645 and OAK’s is 49.907 and 2.833.
I’ve tried to keep track of moving pieces as I’ve been collecting these, but some slip through. Any notes of where I didn’t are quite welcome.
All of the blank values for the “score” variables hurt the utility of the system-strength calculations. Have you considered assigning a default score (maybe based on scores of next-highest and -lowest prospects) or alternatively footnoting the average with the number of missing observations?
Yeah, I wasn’t entirely sure what to do about those, which is why I calculated the 50+ and 60+ rankings. I doubt any of the prospects without values would rank in either of those categories, but adding an additional note about the number of blank spaces is an idea.
I sort of get the scouting love for guys who can run fast because you can’t teach speed ,but there seems to me to be a systemic inconsistency in rating guys like DeShields on this list,who pretty much have little baseball skill, higher than someone like Brad Miller who has performed very well at a higher level .If one wants to dream that DeShields can actually learn to play baseball while running like the wind and stealing 100 bases per year then I can understand rating DeShields higher than Miller ,but then DeShields risk factor should probably be something like a 5.0 vs Miller’s 2.0 instead of 2.5 vs 2.0.
I think you are selling De Shields a bit short. Yes he is very fast, but he also has some baseball skill and bloodlines. There are many very fast guys that don’t show up on the top 100’s because speed is their main tool and they don’t project to do much else.
There are probably more 80 grade runners than any other 80 tools combined, but there are only 2 guys that are 80 runs that really show up as top 100 prospects.
The reports indicate that DeShields started turning some tools into skills this past year, but he does still have a lot left to prove. But the projection helps – speed could give him elite range at 2B, asset on bases, can hit a bit. When I saw him in 2011, I didn’t see what the fuss was about, but I hear he improved substantially.
Miller still has his doubters on the defensive end, concerned he can’t stay at short. If he has to move to second, he has to hit more than DeShields because he doesn’t have the same speed to make up the value in other areas like DDJ.
Mike Newman seems to think that Miller has a good chance to stick at short ,better than the more highly ranked Franklin ,while I have read reports that suggest that DeShields is likely to end up in the OF .DD had a horrible first year at low A in 2011 with a .627 OPS He did improve quite a bit in repeating low A in 2012 ,with an OPS of .*40 ,but fell back to a .717 OPS after a late promotion to hitters paradise ,more commonly called the California League .Miller’s respective OPS numbers were .986 at low A,936 in the California League and . 882 after he moved up to Double A .Yes , Miller is 3 years older but I think that every guy in Houston’s front office would be walking around with a tent pole in his shorts if DeShields matched Miller’s numbers .Potential is great to dream on ,but let’s not sell the guys short who have actually put up the numbers .
Sure. To be clear, these aren’t my rankings of players but the averaged ranking of other lists, which is what the above explanation was for. DDJ ranked from 3 to 6 on the lists I tracked, so I’m guessing there are at least a few people who would agree with you.
if ya’ll haven’t seen these. . .
De Shields: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2m6EbPtKUU
Miller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtfGZ3xYjO8
I got a better vibe on De Shields honestly, Miller hit for me, but seemed more like a Cal mirage, elevating in BP for power, more big fly balls than shots. Felt more like a 2b than a SS.
De Shields was worn down at the end of the year, and I think he may have been hurt b/c the trainer was really working on him a lot during pre game. He wasn’t killing the ball, but i liked the swing and his game in general. Didn’t look lost at 2b either.
typo alert ,DD’s 2012 OPS at low A was .840 ,sorry
Great read and well laid out and great depth to the chart. One thing to suggest is maybe list an age or level last played to get an approximation of how far out some of the prospects really are. I think it weighs in on some of the risk.
Very cool post. Lets do an NL East version of this next, please!
Uh … I’m afraid that might end up being the last division. But save the best for last, right? Right? Guys? #GoBraves
Glad the NLE might be last – the Washington Nationals Fan Forum is just beginning to vote on where to insert A.J. Cole in their top prospects list.
You asked for suggestions for fan sites; the Nationals Fan Forum minor league discussions are here:
http://www.wnff.net/index.php?board=7.0
The most up-to-date list is here:
http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=28319.0
The A.J. Cole vote is here:
http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=28648.0