Can the 2025 Phillies Avoid Becoming the 2019 Sixers?

Philadelphia, late in a must-win road game in a tightly contested playoff series, has all but gotten a stop. The team has held serve, against all odds blanking its opponent to force another frame and extend the season. Then, all of a sudden, the ball does something weird. It goes in a direction nobody anticipated, and as the entire Delaware Valley looks on in disbelieving horror, the home team scores to seal a walk-off win and advance to the next round.
I’m sure you’ve deduced from the lack of proper nouns in the previous paragraph that I’m not talking about the recently concluded Phillies-Dodgers NLDS, or the Orion Kerkering throwing error that ended it. No, I’m talking about this.
Oh yeah, Phillies fans, we’re gonna feel even worse than you thought today.
A big part of my brand, as a writer, is obnoxiously overdetermined metaphors, and this is no exception.
Like Sixers-Raptors in 2019, Phillies-Dodgers this year was a renewal of a memorable postseason matchup from nearly two decades before. In both cases, this second-round matchup was viewed as a de facto league/conference final, with an as-yet-unproven no. 1 seed from Milwaukee awaiting the victor. The Philadelphia team had poked and prodded around a long playoff run, and had finally filled a long-lasting gap in the roster with a blockbuster midseason trade. Philadelphia’s bench boss, a well-liked longtime assistant coach who came to his first head coaching role late in his career, was starting to invite questions about his late-game decision-making.
I’ll spell it out for those of you with a Lindberghian aversion to sports other than baseball. In this metaphor, Manny Ramirez is Vince Carter, Jhoan Duran is Jimmy Butler, Rob Thomson is Brett Brown. The Point is the photo of Joel Embiid leaning in to watch Kawhi Leonard’s ball find the magnets in the rim. Andrew Painter is Markelle Fultz. Harrison Bader is Mike Scott. Ippei Mizuhara is Kawhi’s infamous Uncle Dennis. I could go on.
Then as now, Philadelphia enters an offseason of great uncertainty. For roughly half a decade, the plan had been to find an ascendant superstar — Bryce Harper, who is Embiid in this metaphor — and build around him. And while cracks had appeared here and there in previous postseason runs, it’s clear now that the center (or the first baseman, in this case) can no longer hold.
Something has to change.
For the Sixers, things did, and quickly. Butler made it clear from the start that he could not coexist with Ben Simmons; Butler was sent to Miami the following summer. The Sixers filled that hole in the salary structure (if not the lineup) by bringing in longtime Embiid nemesis Al Horford as a second starting big man. Having won the power struggle with Butler, Simmons’ game devolved to an extent and in a fashion hitherto unseen for a player of his ability and age. Brown lasted just one more season before the Sixers replaced him with Dr. Glenn Rivers.
The sum total of those moves was a series of failures, each more humiliating than the one before. Of the 26 players who suited up for the Sixers in 2018-19, only Embiid remains in the organization. And they’ve never had a title shot as good since.
The Phillies’ situation is similar, but somewhat less dire. To say nothing of a basketball team can be playoff-proofed to an extent that is simply not possible in baseball. After collapsing against an inferior Diamondbacks team in the 2023 NLCS and no-showing against the Mets last year, the 2025 Phillies gave a good account of themselves in four games against the Dodgers. They got contributions up and down the lineup and neutralized Shohei Ohtani so completely at the plate that it even shocked Dodgers president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman. They held the potent Dodgers offense to just 13 runs and a .199/.280/.277 batting line over four games.
Of course, that matters only so much in this results-based business. The hour is too late for moral victories; as Jayson Stark noted in The Athletic last week, the 2022-25 Phillies have had a level of lineup stability unseen in the majors since the 1998-2001 Yankees. And that team achieved, um, considerably more than this one.
“This time, [the Phillies] can’t run it back. That’s just the deal. That’s how life works. That’s how baseball works. That’s how Philadelphia works,” Stark wrote. And he’s right. Last year I urged moderation; no longer. The people demand heads on pikes. Let’s try to identify which heads, starting with two general principles.
When I was part of a union bargaining committee, we often found ourselves stuck or frustrated with a lack of progress at the bargaining table. When that happened, someone (frequently me, to my colleagues’ repeated irritation) would pipe up with a half-cocked and incendiary idea to put pressure on management. At those times, our tireless negotiator would ask, genuinely: “Would that be constructive, or would it just be cathartic?”
That’s principle no. 1. Kerkering is a useful example here. I’m sure it would feel good to ship this postseason’s Bucknerite goat off to Timbuktu, or worse, Sacramento. But consider that this team is already probably a high-leverage relief arm short, and that pitchers as talented as Kerkering — especially ones making pre-arbitration money — don’t grow on trees. Let’s be unsentimental, sure, but let’s not be rash.
Principle no. 2: Don’t try to win in 2026 by solving for specific problems in 2025. That’s what sank the Sixers after the loss to Toronto six years ago. They spent oodles of money on Horford, ostensibly on the spurious premise that he and Embiid could share the court. In reality, it was ludicrously expensive insurance for an Embiid injury, and a guarantee that Horford couldn’t guard the Sixers’ star in the playoffs. This myopic view of roster construction backfired immediately; Horford lasted only one year in Philadelphia, in which time he was as much a hindrance to the Sixers’ title hopes as he had been when he was playing against them.
So rather than trying to go back and solve for the specific issues that sank the Phillies in 2025, let’s try to be proactive and look forward. Especially because extra pitcher fielding practice at spring training doesn’t cost a dime or require any roster moves. Who ought to come back?
| Position Player | Age | Control Through | 2026 Salary | AAV | PA | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Trea Turner | 32.3 | 2033 | $27,272,727 | $27,272,727 | 639 | 125 | 6.7 |
| Bryce Harper | 33.0 | 2031 | $27,538,462 | $25,384,615 | 580 | 131 | 4.9 |
| Pitcher | Age | Control Through | 2026 Salary | AAV | IP | ERA | WAR |
| Aaron Nola | 32.4 | 2030 | $24,571,429 | $24,571,429 | 94 1/3 | 6.01 | 0.9 |
| Cristopher Sánchez | 28.8 | 2030 | $3,500,000 | $5,625,000 | 202 | 2.50 | 6.4 |
| Jhoan Duran | 27.8 | 2027 | $7,600,000 | $7,600,000 | 20 2/3 | 2.18 | 0.9 |
| Matt Strahm | 33.9 | 2026 | $7,500,000 | $7,500,000 | 62 1/3 | 2.74 | 1.5 |
| Jesús Luzardo | 28.0 | 2026 | $10,400,000 | $10,400,000 | 183 2/3 | 3.92 | 5.3 |
These are players who are either under contract or team control through 2026, who are expected to be healthy at the start of camp and so unlikely to move in the offseason that the possibility isn’t worth discussing. I’ve been fairly circumspect here; everyone on this list except Nola performed well during the regular season, and everyone except Harper and maybe Strahm was great during the playoffs. Even if you could move on from these seven players, why would you want to?
| Position Player | Age | 2026 Status | 2026 Salary | PA | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Kyle Schwarber | 32.6 | Free Agent | TBD | 724 | 152 | 4.9 |
| Edmundo Sosa | 29.6 | ARB 3 | $3,900,000 | 261 | 111 | 1.6 |
| Rafael Marchán | 26.6 | ARB 1 | $1,000,000 | 118 | 65 | 0.3 |
| Pitcher | Age | 2026 Status | 2026 Salary | IP | ERA | WAR |
| José Alvarado | 30.4 | Club Option | $9,000,000 | 26 | 3.81 | 0.3 |
| Tanner Banks | 34.0 | ARB 1 | $1,200,000 | 67 1/3 | 3.07 | 0.8 |
Schwarber’s free agency is the big story for this offseason. Apparently, he’s going through a little bit of a diet Pete Alonso situation; Matt Gelb of The Athletic reported that the reigning NL home run champ, age 32, is after a five-year contract. I’m skeptical that Schwarber will get that, given his age and the total nullity of his defensive value.
He is, however, the best pure hitter on the market, though probably not the best position player overall. Even if he only gets three or four years in free agency, he’s in line for a steep raise over the $19.75 million AAV on his expiring contract. The Phillies reportedly are going to do what it takes to keep him around, and even with the obvious flaws in Schwarber’s game, I don’t know if they have any other choice. He’s such a foundational part of the team, both on and off the field, that there really isn’t another option.
Alvarado is the other big moving piece here; he was suspended for half the year, and hurt at the end of the season anyway. But he’s been a versatile high-leverage arm since he came to Philadelphia in 2021, and it’ll be hard to find a better option on the open market for less than the $9 million Alvarado is due in his club option.
Sosa is one of the better utility infielders in baseball; he can legitimately play shortstop and he’s a weapon against lefties, against whom he hit .318/.362/.533 this season. This year, he spelled Bryson Stott against tough platoon matchups, and filled in for Turner and Alec Bohm when they were hurt. If the $3.9 million arbitration estimate is close to accurate, he’d be a bargain.
Banks and Marchán are this high mostly because of cost. Banks is a solid medium-leverage lefty, a crucial piece for the regular season, if a bit short of being playoff-quality. And Marchán, well, he’s an actual big league-quality backup catcher, which is just fine for a first-year arbitration guy.
| Position Player | Age | 2026 Status | 2026 Salary | PA | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| J.T. Realmuto | 34.6 | Free Agent | TBD | 550 | 94 | 2.1 |
| Harrison Bader | 31.4 | Mutual Option | $10,000,000 | 194 | 129 | 1.2 |
| Bryson Stott | 28.0 | ARB 2 | $4,500,000 | 560 | 100 | 3.1 |
| Brandon Marsh | 27.8 | ARB 2 | $5,800,000 | 425 | 116 | 2.4 |
| Pitcher | Age | 2026 Status | 2026 Salary | IP | ERA | WAR |
| Taijuan Walker | 33.2 | Under Contract | $18,000,000 | 123 2/3 | 4.08 | 0.5 |
| Orion Kerkering | 24.5 | Pre-ARB | TBD | 60 | 3.30 | 0.7 |
Now, we’re coming up to players where Dave Dombrowski and his underlings will actually have to make a decision. Under different circumstances, this might be a convenient time to move on from Realmuto, who’ll be 35 next year and is coming off his first below-average offensive season since 2015. Realmuto made $23.1 million a year in his most recent contract, and if someone wants to match that on a multi-year deal, well, a smart GM would probably be willing to let someone else make that mistake.
On the other hand… I don’t really know what the better option is. I don’t think Marchán is a full-time starter, and even a declining Realmuto is likely to be the best catcher on the market by a wide margin. The Phillies could easily get cheaper behind the plate, but they’d have to live with getting much worse.
Bader has a $10 million mutual option for 2026, which isn’t going to get picked up for two reasons. First, mutual options never get exercised. And second, Bader was way better than a $10 million player this season. In fact, his arrival at the trade deadline did almost as much to revitalize the team as Duran’s. As a legitimate center fielder who can hit lefties, he allowed Marsh to slide over to left and improved the Phillies markedly on both sides of the ball. Even though re-signing him would be buying high, it might be doable depending on how expensive it is to re-sign (or replace) Schwarber and Realmuto.
Stott is probably never going to be an impact hitter, though some midseason tweaks had him posting a 135 wRC+ in the second half. Nevertheless, he’s a very good defender and a terrific baserunner who’s capable of playing shortstop in an emergency. He was sixth among major league second basemen in WAR this past season, and is a quality complementary piece.
Marsh, as I said, was stretched as an everyday center fielder, but is more than adequate on the long side of a corner outfield platoon. And unless the Phillies think the throwing error is going to do lasting and irreparable damage to Kerkering’s psyche, he’s going to be one of Duran’s key setup men in next year’s postseason.
I would, however, move any one of those players in the right deal, if I were in Dombrowski’s shoes. If a challenge trade came along that offered the opportunity to improve an area of greater need, this is the part of the roster I’d look to deal from.
Ditto Walker, who against all odds is tradeable again in the final year of his contract. Given the great uncertainty around the back end of the Phillies rotation, it’d be nice to have a reliable veteran at the no. 4 or no. 5 spot. But while I wouldn’t be actively shopping Walker, neither would I write his name on next year’s roster in pen.
| Position Player | Age | 2026 Status | 2026 Salary | PA | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alec Bohm | 29.2 | ARB 3 | $10,300,000 | 504 | 105 | 1.7 |
While I’d listen to offers about Stott, Marsh, and Kerkering, I think Bohm — who’s in his last year of arbitration — ought to be on his way out the door. Bohm isn’t a bad player in a vacuum, but he’s not good enough for the role the Phillies have cast him in. Over the past two seasons, Bohm has started 128 games as their cleanup hitter, making him Thomson’s most-used four-hole guy in that time. And he’s hit .270/.316/.415, which is a wRC+ of 100. He’s grounded into 16 double plays as the primary right-handed threat behind the Phillies’ two best left-handed hitters.
What this means is, Thomson has a lineup with a couple elite hitters and enviable depth, but an average hitter at a position that requires a star.
| Batting Position | wRC+ Rank |
|---|---|
| 1 | 8 |
| 2 | 7 |
| 3 | 4 |
| 4 | 21 |
| 5 | 10 |
| 6 | 7 |
| 7 | 5 |
| 8 | 4 |
| 9 | 11 |
With only a year of team control remaining, I’m under no illusions that Bohm would fetch a monster return. But he’d be useful for someone, and bring back some valuable depth in pitching or high-minors position players. If nothing else, I’d probably rather see this $10 million allocated elsewhere, and hand third base over to Sosa and a platoon partner until Aidan Miller is ready.
| Pitcher | Age | 2026 Status | 2026 Salary | IP | ERA | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ranger Suárez | 30.1 | Free Agent | TBD | 157 1/3 | 3.20 | 4.0 |
| Walker Buehler | 31.2 | Free Agent | TBD | 13 2/3 | 0.66 | 0.3 |
Suárez has developed a cult following in Philadelphia after years of yawning through one scoreless playoff start after another. Actually, calling him a cult hero is a bit of an insult; he was 12th in WAR among major league starters in 2025. Unfortunately, that performance probably prices him out of a return to Philadelphia, because he’s in line to make, if not ace money then at least no. 2 starter money as a free agent.
Keeping the current rotation together would require the Phillies to spend somewhere in the neighborhood of $130 million on starting pitching alone in 2026, and that’s with Sánchez on a bargain contract. I expect them to recoup a draft pick when Suárez declines the qualifying offer, and give him a nice tribute video when he comes back to pitch as an Oriole or a Cub or whatever.
Buehler’s a similar story; the Phillies could use him as depth, but he’d be better off going where money and innings are more plentiful.
| Position Player | Age | 2026 Status | 2026 Salary | PA | wRC+ |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aidan Miller | 21.3 | Minor Leagues | Minimum | 526 | 138 |
| Justin Crawford | 21.7 | Minor Leagues | Minimum | 506 | 133 |
| Pitcher | Age | 2026 Status | 2026 Salary | IP | ERA |
| Zack Wheeler | 35.4 | Under Contract | $42,000,000 | 149 2/3 | 2.71 |
| Andrew Painter | 22.5 | Minor Leagues | Minimum | 118 | 5.26 |
| Gage Wood | 21.8 | Minor Leagues | Minimum | 37 2/3 | 3.82 |
Sorry for panicking anyone who was looking for Wheeler in the first section. When he’s healthy, he’s arguably the Phillies’ most important player and a top-three starting pitcher in baseball. I think there’s a pretty reasonable argument to be made that if he were healthy, the Phillies would still be playing.
Unfortunately, thoracic outlet syndrome is not an injury from which we can assume a full and predictable recovery. (I wrote an explainer on the condition back in 2018 when Fultz was diagnosed with it, in case you were wondering how deep the Sixers parallels went.) It’s not the career-ender it was even a decade ago, and Wheeler’s version — venous, as opposed to neurogenic — is the less problematic. Wheeler had decompression surgery in late September, and with a recovery timeline of between six and eight months, that puts him on schedule to return sometime between Opening Day and Memorial Day 2026.
If Wheeler is indeed back in the Philadelphia rotation and pitching like an ace on June 1 of next year, that’d be a hugely positive outcome for the Phillies. It’s definitely possible, but I wouldn’t plan an entire pennant race around it.
Fortunately, there are reinforcements coming.
More than anything, the reason the Phillies have had such a stable lineup is that they’ve gotten absolute bupkis from their own prospect pipeline since this run started in 2022. They’ve used prospects, even high-minors prospects, to great effect in the trade market in that time; that’s how they got Marsh, Luzardo, Carlos Estévez, David Robertson (the second time), Bader, and Duran.
But they’ve gotten almost nothing from players who’ve debuted since Thomson took over. Since the start of the 2022 season, the Phillies have handed major league debuts to only 24 players, third fewest in baseball behind only the Yankees and Braves. Fully half of those 24 came in 2022; the Phillies have had just 12 debutants over the past three seasons combined. Three clubs brought in more new major league blood in 2025 alone.
Drill down a little and you’ll find that three of those, including Stott, debuted before Thomson became manager on June 3, 2022. And of the 21 Phillies who played their first big league game under Thomson, only about 1 1/2 have been worth a damn.
| Position Player | G | PA | AVG | OBP | SLG | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Johan Rojas | 250 | 699 | .252 | .294 | .340 | 74 | 2.9 |
| 5 Others | 265 | 721 | .234 | .304 | .418 | 100 | 0.0 |
| Pitcher | G | IP | K% | BB% | ERA | FIP | WAR |
| Orion Kerkering | 136 | 126 | 27.0 | 8.6 | 2.79 | 3.06 | 2.3 |
| 14 Others | 105 | 190 2/3 | 17.7 | 8.1 | 6.51 | 6.08 | -1.8 |
This, I think, explains most of the stagnation around the Phillies roster. And it’s going to change in 2026. I wouldn’t count on all four of those prospects coming up and contributing — Painter is entering his fourth straight season of being on the verge of a call-up — but for the first time since 2022, I would expect the Phillies to get meaningful reinforcements from their farm system.
| Position Player | Age | 2026 Status | 2026 Salary | PA | wRC+ | WAR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nick Castellanos | 33.6 | Under Contract | $20,000,000 | 589 | 90 | -0.6 |
| Max Kepler | 32.7 | Free Agent | TBD | 474 | 90 | 0.6 |
| Pitcher | Age | 2026 Status | 2026 Salary | IP | ERA | WAR |
| Jordan Romano | 32.5 | Free Agent | TBD | 42 2/3 | 8.23 | -0.4 |
| David Robertson | 40.5 | Free Agent | TBD | 17 2/3 | 4.08 | -0.1 |
| Tim Mayza | 33.7 | Free Agent | TBD | 7 1/3 | 4.91 | 0.0 |
And here are the remaining members of the 2025 Phillies, apart from some replacement-level pre-arbitration guys who filled out the bench. I don’t think letting go of any of the pitchers will be controversial. Kepler’s signing never made much sense to me to begin with — the Phillies needed another left-handed-hitting corner outfielder like they needed a poke in the eye — but he played fairly well in a platoon role down the stretch and wasn’t bad in the NLDS.
But this feels like the end of the line for Castellanos, who’s been frustrating at best through the first four years of his five-year contract with the Phillies. He was one of the 10 least valuable full-time position players in baseball in both 2022 and 2024, and this past year he was the worst qualified position player in the majors. I blamed the Phillies’ startling lack of cleanup production on Bohm earlier, but Castellanos has made 80 starts there over the past two seasons as well.
He had a couple clutch hits in losing efforts in Games 2 and 4 of the NLDS, but apart from those two bloop doubles, he went 0-for-13. The infamous failed sac bunt in the ninth inning of Game 2 is as much on Castellanos, who took an eternity to get from second to third base, as it was on Stott for poor execution or Thomson for calling it in the first place. And since we’re talking about Thomson, a few weeks ago Castellanos made the unusual decision to declare in a press scrum that he and his manager were barely on speaking terms.
Surely Castellanos knew then that he was inviting the Phillies to choose between their manager and their disappointing right fielder. And with Thomson back for 2026 (which is the decision I would’ve made, though it was worth considering other options), Castellanos might even prefer a move. That “move” is probably going to be a de facto release. Nobody’s going to offer much of anything for a $20 million corner outfielder who hasn’t even been a two-win player since 2021.
Here’s where that leaves the Phillies.
| Position | Player | Role | Pitcher |
|---|---|---|---|
| C | Realmuto | SP1 | Sánchez |
| 1B | Harper | SP2 | Luzardo |
| 2B | Stott | SP3 | Nola |
| 3B | Sosa/TBD | SP4 | Walker |
| SS | Turner | SP5 | Painter |
| LF | Crawford | CL | Duran |
| CF | Bader | RP | Kerkering |
| RF | Marsh | RP | Strahm |
| DH | Schwarber | RP | Alvarado |
I’ve left off a couple back-end players, like Banks, Marchán, Weston Wilson, and Otto Kemp, but if the 2026 season hinges on those guys, the Phillies are missing the playoffs and everyone’s getting fired. Even without Wheeler, Miller, and whatever the Phillies might get in return for Bohm, this is a contending team as listed.
But it’s going to be old, and it’s going to be expensive. If the Phillies trade Bohm without taking on any major league salary in return, eat the last year of Castellanos’ deal, and let everything else ride, they’re looking at somewhere around $215 million in payroll just in guaranteed contracts and arbitration awards. Pre-arbitration and minor league salaries, player benefits, and the pre-arbitration bonus pool payments — all liabilities under competitive balance tax math — take the payroll over the first CBT threshold before the Phillies have even thought about re-signing Schwarber, Realmuto, and Bader, or adding anyone else.
That’d cost, by my best guess, somewhere between $60 million and $80 million against the tax, depending on how nuts the market gets for Schwarber, and what a legit free agent center fielder is worth. (I have no idea, for the record. I can’t find a remotely reasonable free agent comp for Bader since Jackie Bradley Jr. in 2021-22.)
Phillies owner John Middleton has talked a big game about spending whatever it takes to win. If he continues to make good on that rhetoric, the Phillies can start to turn over the roster gradually and roll into a fifth straight postseason appearance. But they shouldn’t take for granted that this run will go on forever. If they want to know what happens when things start to go sideways, they need only look across the parking lot.
Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.
The real question is who is the Kyle Lowry, the Dodgers fixture who shows up to Philly at the end of his career once the window has slammed shut?
Walker Buehler…?
In the metaphor, that’s five years down the road when Harper and Turner are hurt more often and closer to average when they do play.
And since it would have to be a hometown guy to make the analogy complete, I’d guess Mike Trout.
Kike Hernandez to replace Max Kepler?
Could see it with Kiké Hernandez or Max Muncy, who both play positions the Phillies might be clearing out soon.
Max Muncy? KiKi Hernandez?
They need a RH bat, so not Muncy.
They are approaching the point where Dombrowski’s strengths don’t play as well. This might be his last best chance too.
He hasn’t really been given a chance to rebuild or retool in the last decade, has he?
He hasn’t.
What’s interesting is he built his reputation that way- Built up the early 90’s Expos, broke up & rebuilt the Marlins, rebuilt Detroit from the ashes in the 2000’s.
The “big spender” Dombrowski really came about near the end of his Detroit tenure, then carried on to Boston & now Philly.
Could he still rebuild? Would be interesting to find out, but, I’m not sure he would want to at his age.
I don’t think he has any interest in a true “rebuild.”
More importantly, neither does Middleton.
With Realmuto, Schwarber, Walker, and Castellanos due to come off the books over the next two years, they’ll have flexibility to retool…even if they keep Schwarber.
I didn’t know Manny R. started a second career in the NBA…
Yeah I still have no idea what he has to do with anything.
I spent a while puzzling over this, I think Vince Carter in the 2001 playoffs for the Raptors against the 76ers is analogous to Manny for the Dodgers against the Phillies in the 08-09 playoffs, the memorable matchup from almost two decades before. Though I don’t know enough basketball (or remember enough about those playoffs) to know what specifically they might have done similarly.
That’s fine, and fits, so I’ll allow it haha
Yeah I was scratching my head still am in fact. I might need to get checked for lice.
This is such a Philly-centric article, it needs to have a picture of Gritty eating a hoagie while watching an episode of “Mare of Eastown.” I mean this as the highest compliment possible.
Or to be current “Task”…or even better, “Always Sunny”
That is DEEPLY unfair to the Phillies.
The Process never even reached a semifinal.
The Phillies also didn’t really do the process, which of course in baseball especially was always just using corporate speak to try to avoid blame for being terrible. I feel like the Astros and to a lesser extent the Cubs were more showy about tanking “on purpose” than the Phillies or any other baseball team.
The Phillies did try the “tank-it-til-you-make-it” strategy but for some reason or another they never could develop the great young cores similar to what Chicago and Houston built last decade, so they brought in Dombrowski and gave him a blank check to try and buy a ring. When your best homegrown position players are Alec Bohm and whenever Bryson Stott is on one, you’re cooked unless ownership is spending mountains of cash.
I love their pitching, they have the best rotation in baseball right now and that’s with a broken Aaron Nola, but that lineup makes me nervous for 2026-onward because their star power is coming from 32 years old men on very big contracts.
Yeah, I don’t think they were really trying to tank nor did they do the heavy spin which is what I always associate with”the process” with. It’s more of a media/PR strategy than anything. As you alluded to, they just didn’t really develop players and then eventually the owner said “f*** it” and just opened the checkbook.
So it wasn’t really the process to me. Struggling teams have always gotten high draft picks. I feel like the enduring lesson of the process should be to avoid being taken in by fancy corporate speak that attempts to put shine on a turd. Being bad on purpose is very questionable in the NBA. It is downright stupid in MLB.
The year they had the first overall pick wasn’t a great one, and they picked Mickey Moniak
This is how closely I’ve been following the NBA… the last Sixer I could name, from memory, is Allen Iverson.
We talking bout practice!
Not the game I love!
Same. No more other sports on FG! What do I have to do, circulate a petition?
The Phillies look pretty cooked, but I’d argue a big part of any last-ditch effort to squeeze something out of this core also depends on the rest of the NL East. The Mets and Braves, for different reasons, look to have also had their future outlooks diminished, the Nats seem to have completely failed in this rebuild, and the Marlins are the Marlins.
Not sure about the Mets outlook being diminished they have a top five farm system and Benge and Williams are nearly ready to go. You also get a full year of McLean and you have Sproat, Tong, Weninger, and Scott in Syracuse. Stearns could also trade some inventory for Ryan or Lopez or possibly Alcantara.
The only cloud I can see is their tendency toward Metsiness. As long as Cohen is OK with the spending level, they will contend.
They had the second-best record in MLB.
Yeah, and a lot of the reasons for that are no longer on the team and a lot of the other reasons for that are getting very old and one of them might be forever broken.
Life comes at you fast and like CLS said above, when you don’t develop anyone, your chickens will come home to roost. The fact that they’ve been unbelievably lucky (or good!) in the free agent market the last several years is not a sustainable method of winning.
I guess a better way to have said that, rather than that they are cooked, is that it looks like the window is closing fast and the thumbs are looking like they could be smashed when it does. Suarez is amazing but he’s probably the only meaningfully above-water asset they have. If FG ran an update on the trade value series, he’d be the only one in the top 50 and I’m not sure anyone but Trea Turner would be honorable mention.
Christopher Sanchez is pretty good, too.
I’d also posit that star-chasing is a fairly sustainable strategy for large market teams whose owners care more about winning than maximizing margins.
Dombo’s rep is for spending, but he also drafted Beckett and Willis, signed Miggy and Castillo, and traded for Lowell and Burnett.
I meant Sanchez. My bad. Suarez is a free agent.
So did the Orioles in 2023 and look at them in 2025. The Giants had 107 wins in 2021 and were .500 the following year. Last year’s record doesn’t mean much, especially when age will be a factor for your stars.
They won’t fall off a cliff in 2026, but their core, the hitters they rely on day in and day out to get them runs is getting to the age where their performance for the following year will be unpredictable. Even for Hall of Famers.
I don’t follow the logic re: Bohm. Yes, he is overmatched as a cleanup hitter for a serious contender. But surely, the obvious solution is to move him down the order rather than move on from him completely, no? Sosa had a nice season, but his underwhelming-as-usual xwOBA suggests luck played a big part and you would not want to start him against right handed pitchers. Overall, 3B feels pretty low in terms of issues the Phillies need to address this offseason.
Average fielder, average hitter. Not great attitude-wise, either. As the author pointed out, 3B is typically a power position. There are only so many places lower in the order. They’ve already got Stott as a glove-over-bat infielder, and a RH power hitter might be easier to find at 3B than RF.
None of that seems wrong to me really, but I doubt you’re going to improve on Bohm for under $10 million next year. If the plan is to keep Schwarber, Bader, and Realmuto, I’m not convinced there will be money for any further upgrades.
He’s absolutely average, but how do you actually improve from that without breaking the bank? Bohm had lower WAR than only 12 other players while only playing in just over 100 games.
I just don’t see how you move Bohm to get a chance at someone better when there’s a much higher chance you’ll get someone worse and for more money.
First half of 2024 was his peak. He’s valuable if he can consistently hit doubles but he’s average at 3B and the Phillies trying to get above average offensive production from 3B and RF is one of the most straightforward ways for the team to improve in 2026.
Somebody help me figure out why a team might be good in the regular season and bad in the playoffs. Luck is one possible explanation, but let’s come up with some others. If this has been written about at FG or elsewhere, please refer me with a link. Here’s some theories:
1 – Oversensitivity to Pitcher Excellence. Is there any evidence to suggest that the Phillies are loaded with boom/bust hitters that destroy bad pitching and struggle against good pitching? Is this measured? Don’t be snarky and say that all batters struggle against good pitching… I’m asking whether Phillies hitters are especially sensitive to pitcher excellence.
2 – Predictability. I imagine that playoff scouting reports have more resources behind them than regular-season scouting reports. The Dodgers have probably been scouting the Phillies very hard, and obtained more and more data as the season went on, making the scouting that much more effective. If a particular team has strong tendencies, then the ROI on good scouting increases, doesn’t it? Is there any evidence to suggest that Phillies hitters have especially strong tendencies, and that pitch sequence/location or defender positioning are especially effective?
As a Phillies fan, it’s been tough to watch this team screech to a halt in the playoffs. My feeling — which I’m looking for evidence to support — is that they need one or two contact hitters to break up the sluggers-who-don’t-slug-in-the-playoffs. Give the offense a chance to get to the bullpen at least, or at least hit with a guy on base. The playoffs aren’t the home run derby… Feasting on mistakes stops working when the opposing pitchers stop making so many mistakes.
I felt similarly to your last paragraph going into this year. Was excited about Bader for that reason, and I think his injury hurt a lot more than was talked about.
That being said, I think I reject the premise that the Phillies are bad in the playoffs. For one thing, they most likely played above their ability in 2022 and 2023, so they’ve overperformed in the playoffs about as often as they’ve underperformed.
Plus, nothing about the Dodgers/Brewers series is making me reevaluate my assessment that the 2025 Dodgers plus good injury luck are going to be favored in pretty much any playoff series. There’s no evidence that the Phillies weren’t the second best team in the playoffs this year as of now.
This is pretty funny the day after Yamamoto/Snell annihilated the Brewers, who are pretty much the exact opposite stylistically.
The Blue Jays, kings of contact, have suddenly looked terrible once they Ernie Clement/Daulton Varsho stopped hitting like Vlad, and Vlad stopped hitting like Judge.
I’ve beating this drum all postseason, but baseball is inherently chaotic. Historically bad teams will beat WS contenders in short series — it’s a lot less likely, but it happens. A slightly stronger breeze can be the difference between a dramatic game tying HR and a loud foul ball. A slightly different hop can be the difference between a game-saving DP and a back-breaking single up the middle.
The best strategy for winning a postseason series is to have more good players than the other team. It’s no guarantee, but more often than not, that’s going to be the difference.
The problem with trying to squeeze out these minute differences at the margins for playoff baseball is that random noise will swamp the signal.
To wit, even if every postseason series went the full length, all postseason baseball would account for just around 2% of all non-ST baseball played this season.
Math:
That percentage of a single team’s 162 game schedule would work out to just around 3.5 games. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to find ridiculous 3-4 game stretches of a baseball season.
Whoopsadaisy
Sure, that didn’t age well, but I’m not sure “the playoffs aren’t the home run derby” aged any better after the Blue Jays hit 5 HRs and the Mariners 3.
I feel like the true biggest wildcard is Harper. I wouldn’t be surprised from any result from 2025 is his best year for the rest of his career to him having another mvp caliber season in 2026. Players like that having a down year are incredibly hard to predict.
“Would that be constructive, or would it just be cathartic” is good advice for just about any kind of conflict resolution.
Seems a lot like the current political situation in the US.
Maybe they can get Ruben Amaro back in the org to shake things up *sarcasm
Saying Painter has been on the edge of a call up for 4 years is a pretty disingenuous take. Unless TJ recovery time is optional these days, not sure how anyone could’ve thought he was on the edge of a call up.
Fair, but, he HAS taken a big step back. I remember hearing all last off-season how they were going to ease him into 2025 & then unleash him in the 2nd half so he could pitch dominant innings when it really mattered in Sept/Oct.
Instead they got an ERA over 5 with diminished control & stuff.
Maybe there is some prospect fatigue (we HAVE been hearing about him for 4-5 years now), but, Michael’s skepticism is warranted.
Not convinced Schwarber is a must resign. Seems like the very definition of buying high to sign him now. I would think about letting Bohm and Schwarber walk and sign Bregman and maybe Cody Bellinger?
I just don’t know so much of their core is getting old and declining. It’s hard to see how they will replace the production from declining players and players that are leaving. They are going to have to count on Nola returning to form.and keep their fingers crossed on Wheeler. I actually think if they liked what they saw they need to resign Buhler to another (smaller) pillow. The innings are going to be there for most of next season unless they bring in a couple of starters. They are running out of road. If they wade into FA besides the tax they will have to commit long term to players of similar age. Not really sure what their approach will be to trading their best chips are going to counted on to backfill the team. Teams like this end contention suddenly.
If you’re going to blame one guy (although you actually mentioned two) for the Phillies’ poor offensive rank in the cleanup spot, then shouldn’t it be the manager who was writing non-cleanup quality hitters into that spot? Given their ranks at every other position were in the top third (well, almost), it seems clear he was giving extra at bats to the wrong guys.