What Went Wrong With the Phillies, and How Can It Be Fixed?

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Well that’s not how it was supposed to go. The Phillies came into this season as one of the World Series favorites, having won the pennant in 2022, then reached the NLCS in 2023. They were the best team in the National League for most of the year, and — having won the club’s first NL East title since 2011 — were expected to at least repeat the deep playoff runs of the past two seasons. Ideally, they’d improve on it and go all the way.

Instead, they’re out on the first hurdle, having lost 3-1 in the NLDS to — and this might be the most galling part — a hated division rival who sneaked into the playoffs on the final day, then needed a lightning strike of a rally off Devin Williams to eke out a three-game win in the Wild Card series. But over four games, the Mets were comprehensively the better team. If Nick Castellanos hadn’t had his eyes glaze over white and milky as he accessed a higher plane of consciousness in the last four innings of Game 2, this could well have been a sweep.

A team this talented and well-resourced would be within its rights to shrug and run it back in 2025. Indeed, that’s what the Phillies did a year ago, when they were nine outs from going up 3-0 in the NLCS, then lost consecutive would-be clinchers at home. Now, having spit the bit twice in as many playoff series, the Phillies are going to have to at least consider changing more than their postgame playlist.

It’s rare to see such a fractious local media scene so entirely in agreement, but the consensus is clear: There needs to be “real conversations” or a shakeup or some soul-searching. That consensus falls apart when you start to ask about specifics.

So let’s look at what can actually be done.

And let’s start with what can’t be done, or shouldn’t be done.

As disappointing as the end of this season was, I don’t think anyone can accuse president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski of putting together an uncompetitive team, especially considering how poorly his predecessors fared for a decade. Manager Rob Thomson remains popular and authoritative in the clubhouse, and insofar as I disagreed with certain of his in-game tactics — leaving Aaron Nola in a batter or two too long in Game 3, which allowed the Mets to break the game open, to name one — I’m inclined to cut him some slack after watching the relievers he’s relied on for two straight Octobers go full Mitch Williams with no warning.

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I’d expect the roster to remain more or less the same in 2025 as well. For starters, you don’t just blow up a 95-win team because of one bad trip to Queens. But the Phillies are kind of in the same boat as the Braves: They’ve locked in their core until kingdom come, which means they should be good for the foreseeable future, but it’s hard to shuffle the roster to make necessary upgrades.

The Phillies have $259 million already committed to their 2025 payroll, according to RosterResource, which is the highest number in baseball. Their only major league free agents are all relief pitchers: Jeff Hoffman, Spencer Turnbull (who hasn’t pitched since June), and Carlos Estévez (who only just got here at the trade deadline). Only three more major contributors will be on expiring contracts next season: Kyle Schwarber, J.T. Realmuto, and Ranger Suárez. Everyone else is under team control through at least 2026.

So whatever ails the Phillies is not going to be solved by free agent attrition. They’re going to have to be proactive. Even so, most of this team would only leave Philadelphia if abducted by aliens.

Bryce Harper got caught trying to do too much in a few key moments, but that only underscored how much the Phillies rely on him. He was 4-for-12 with three extra-base hits and five walks in four games; Harper either scored or drove in five of the Phillies’ 12 runs. If anyone tells you he was the problem, you should re-evaluate with whom you’re spending your time. Schwarber went quiet after his mammoth series-opening home run: 1-for-15 to end the series, including the final out. But you’re going to hear a lot about how the Phillies were too aggressive at the plate, and cutting bait on the team’s most selective hitter is not the way to do that. Especially when said hitter has also contributed 143 home runs between the regular season and playoffs over the past three seasons.

And believe it or not, Trea Turner wasn’t the problem either. Not that you could move on from him if you wanted to, just two seasons into an 11-year contract. But after a pretty brutal oh-fer in Game 1, Turner put in a solid series from that point on, reaching base five times across Games 2 and 3. You still want more than singles and walks from a player of his profile, but he’s not on my list of players I’d accuse of looking lost.

Turner is a polarizing figure in Philadelphia because of the aforementioned contract, as well as the fact that he started his Phillies tenure in a half-season-long slump. But in 2024, he was almost exactly as advertised. Let’s compare his 2024 numbers to two pivotal seasons in his career: 2019, when he was the third-best position player on a championship team, and 2022, his last season with the Dodgers before the Phillies signed him.

This Is the Trea Turner the Phillies Expected
Year Team HR SB AVG OBP SLG wRC+ WAR
2019 WSN 19 35 .298 .353 .497 118 4.4
2022 LAD 21 27 .298 .343 .466 128 6.4
2024 PHI 21 19 .295 .338 .369 124 3.9

Once you account for the hamstring injury that cost Turner a quarter of the season this year, there was no appreciable drop-off. If he’d played 160 games in 2024 and produced at the same rate, he would’ve been a 5.2 WAR player. Maybe he’s coming to the end of his time as a shortstop, or maybe he should cut back on the pregame Red Bull during the playoffs, but since mid-2023, he’s lived up to his billing.

The other area where change is neither advisable nor possible is the rotation, which had three All-Stars this season — Suárez, Cristopher Sánchez, and Zack Wheeler — plus Nola. Those four all pitched well enough to win in this past series; Phillies starters were 0-1 against the Mets, with a 2.53 ERA and 30 strikeouts in 21 1/3 innings. And it’s a good thing all these guys are doing a good job, because the Phillies signed Nola, Sánchez, and Wheeler to multi-year contract extensions in the past 12 months; that trio will make some $68.6 million total next season, which is more than the A’s spent on their entire big league roster this year. Taijuan Walker, who didn’t throw a pitch in the 2023 postseason and was left off the 2024 playoff roster altogether, has two years and $36 million left on his deal. He was a high-volume, league-average starter in 2023, but it feels unnecessarily cruel to recount his 2024 season. I’ll give you some numbers: a 5.5 K-BB%, 7.10 ERA, 6.94 FIP, -1.1 WAR.

Anything the Phillies get from Walker going forward is gravy. If he reinvents himself, adds a pitch, changes his windup or his conditioning and unlocks the old Walker, great. The odds of moving off of that $36 million are so remote it might behoove the Phillies to wait and see how he looks next spring; this, for anyone who’s curious, is why they didn’t just cut him during the season. Either way, as much as Walker was a lightning rod during the Phillies’ 33-33 second half, what happened after was not his fault.

If you’re going to blame a unit, there’s an obvious place to start.

It’s nothing short of shocking that the Phillies bullpen cratered against the Mets. This is, on paper, one of the deepest bullpens in the league. Hoffman, Matt Strahm, and Orion Kerkering had been unhittable for most of the season. José Alvarado, the team’s knockout leverage guy in the previous two postseasons, was something like no. 5 or no. 6 in the pecking order. When the Phillies made Estévez their big deadline pickup, I thought it was a misallocation of resources because the incumbent relievers were so strong.

During this postseason, the Phillies bullpen allowed 17 runs, 16 of them earned, in just 12 2/3 innings of work. Plus two runners inherited from Nola in Game 3. That’s an ERA of 11.37, which is the fourth-worst mark in playoff history for a bullpen with at least 10 innings pitched. In just four games, the Phillies blew three saves and posted the third-worst collective WPA by any bullpen in playoff history. (One of the two teams that beat them was the 1986 Red Sox, the travails of whose relievers have been written into legend.)

Hoffman took two of the losses, but it’s not fair to blame him. This was an all-hands effort.

You Can Have It All, My Empire of Dirt
Player WPA ERA G IP TBF H R BB SO
Orion Kerkering -0.22 2.45 4 3 2/3 17 4 1 2 5
Carlos Estévez -0.31 3.38 3 2 2/3 12 2 2 1 4
Tanner Banks -0.01 9.00 1 1 5 2 1 0 2
Matt Strahm -0.44 18.00 3 2 10 4 4 0 1
Jeff Hoffman -0.52 40.50 3 1 1/3 10 3 6 2 1
José Alvarado 0.00 27.00 1 2/3 5 1 2 2 1
José Ruiz -0.08 6.75 2 1 1/3 7 4 1 0 0

It bears repeating that these guys were really good during the regular season. Strahm, Hoffman, Kerkering, Estévez, and Banks all had ERAs under 3.00 with the Phillies this year. Strahm and Hoffman were All-Stars, and Kerkering had a 2.25 FIP to go with some of the best stuff in any bullpen anywhere. This was a meticulously curated group, and Dombrowski has committed to his relievers as much as his starters. Alvarado and Strahm are both on multi-year contracts. Estévez was brought over at the deadline at the cost of two legit pitching prospects. This isn’t some bunch of jamokes off the street.

But by the end of the series, Estévez looked like the only one who could get the ball from his glove to Realmuto’s in the strike zone without it getting kabonged into outer space. Until, of course, Estévez gave up the series-losing grand slam to Francisco Lindor. The plague comes for everyone sooner or later.

All of that might’ve been survivable had the offense shown up. The Phillies hit .186/.295/.302 in four games. Some of that was due to the Mets pitching very well, but it was also self-inflicted. Alarming as the bullpen meltdown was, three or four elite relievers all going off the boil at the same time is not really something for which you can plan. The offense, on the other hand, exhibited a lot of the same frustrating problems that sank this team against the Diamondbacks in 2023. And that does have a fix other than hoping for different bounces next October.

The narrative is that the Phillies are a bunch of twitchy, free-swinging knuckle-draggers who never met a curveball in the dirt they didn’t like. That’s simplifying things a little. As a team, the Phillies swung at 57 out of 342 pitches outside the strike zone, which is only the fifth-highest rate out of the 12 teams in this year’s postseason. They actually chased less than the Mets did.

But they saw the lowest percentage of pitches in the heart of the strike zone and the highest percentage of pitches out of the strike zone. The only playoff team with a higher whiff rate was the Orioles, who in their two-game playoff cameo were the only team that looked even more offensively inept than the Phillies did. It’s not as simple as Thomson yelling at the guys to stop swinging at breaking balls in the dirt. (Though if he hasn’t tried that yet, maybe it’s worth a shot.) There’s a whole ontological knot to untangle first.

The Phillies offense is built on selective aggression. Very few players, if any, are better than Harper at identifying their pitch to hit and coming out of their shoes swinging at it. Year after year, Harper puts up ludicrous walk rates despite ranking near the top of the league in swing rate and in the bottom half of the league in contact rate. That’s because he’s not afraid to get his money’s worth when he pulls the trigger, but has a good enough eye to lay off a borderline pitch in a three-ball count.

Very few players share that gift. Schwarber is arguably one of them. Among the other Phillies, Brandon Marsh is a platoon player at this point with a lot of swing-and-miss, and the Phillies — between Whit Merrifield and Austin Hays — put a lot of effort into finding him a platoon partner with no success. Realmuto is slowing down; as recently as two years ago, he was a down-ballot MVP guy, but he was an average hitter this season and a no-show in the playoffs. Which is not much of an exaggeration; Realmuto went 0-for-11, and in the pivotal Game 4, he took the bat off his shoulder just three times out of 19 pitches. Bryson Stott can be a tough out when he’s locked in but passive when he’s not, and Johan Rojas is just straight-up not a good hitter.

No, the frustrating hacker reputation really comes down to three players: Turner, Castellanos, and Alec Bohm. All three are righties with long swings who keep their bats in the zone for a long time and hit for some power. All three of them spray line drives to all fields when they’re hot — and look completely hapless when they’re cold. Castellanos was one of two Phillies hitters, along with Harper, who you could say had a great series. Turner had his ups and downs.

Bohm was so bad I saw someone on Twitter compare him to Ben Simmons.

Let’s not go that far. But in four games, Bohm managed one walk, one single, and one contentious benching. He saw just 39 pitches in 14 plate appearances, and swung at eight out of 21 pitches outside the zone. We think of chasing as a bad thing because you’ll swing and miss, but Bohm made a lot of contact on pitches outside the zone, which might be worse — those chases resulted in four weak outs, three of them within the first two pitches of the at-bat.

The Phillies have a lot of hitters who like to force the action early. When the intensity of scouting and quality of pitching goes up in October, that can lead to a lot of quick outs and soft groundballs. Harper can’t be the only one grinding.

What I’m about to say is probably going to sound ridiculous. The Phillies lineup was assembled at great cost; it features five free agent signees making $20 million a year or more, plus two first-round picks.

But they need another hitter.

Specifically, they need someone who’s going to grind walks and see a ton of pitches, who can slow the game down instead of speeding it up.

In fact, this is a lineup that cries out for Juan Soto. Please subscribe to FanGraphs, the internet’s leading provider of such original and incisive baseball analysis.

Unfortunately for Dombrowski and his merry men, Soto would cure what ails a lot of lineups around the league, so competition will be stiff, and the ultimate cost of such a player will be preposterously high. If owner John Middleton wants his effing trophy back badly enough, maybe he’ll find a spare half billion dollars to put in Soto’s bank account. But that can’t be the only plan.

The Phillies have reinforcements coming on the pitching side — Andrew Painter, and maybe Mick Abel and Seth Johnson—from their own prospect pool. Their best position player prospects are still a couple years away, thanks to a recent high school-happy run at the top of the draft. So if you’re waiting for Aidan Miller or Griffin Burkholder to step into the lineup and fix everything in 2025, you’re going to be bitterly disappointed. That probably means that an upgrade, if it comes at all, is going to come from outside the organization.

An outfielder would slot right into the Phillies lineup, but they could create space elsewhere for a second-tier free agent on the infield by moving Bohm to left. (First basemen like Christian Walker and Pete Alonso are probably nonstarters, unless Harper is interested in returning to the outfield.) One option is a challenge trade. Suárez is a free agent after this season, and the Phillies will almost certainly add top pitching prospect Painter to their rotation in 2025. The Marlins were able to trade for Luis Arraez, but only at the cost of Pablo López; perhaps Suárez could be the anchor of a similar deal.

It depends on how creative Dombrowski wants to get. They can’t — and shouldn’t — fire all the bums. But this lineup, as currently constituted, needs help. That much has become clear.





Michael is a writer at FanGraphs. Previously, he was a staff writer at The Ringer and D1Baseball, and his work has appeared at Grantland, Baseball Prospectus, The Atlantic, ESPN.com, and various ill-remembered Phillies blogs. Follow him on Twitter, if you must, @MichaelBaumann.

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swiekerMember since 2016
1 year ago

Best sub-headline ever. Nice work.

CC AFCMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  swieker

Obviously it will be fine. Everything that dies someday comes back.

hopbittersMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  swieker

Extra points for the NIN table header (or the Man in Black, if you prefer that version).

Jeremy FoxMember since 2017
1 year ago

Minor quibble from a Phillies fan: Mick Abel is not coming as a reinforcement. He hasn’t improved since the Phillies drafted him. It’s telling that he wasn’t called up to help cover for Walker’s injury and ineffectiveness.

mattMember since 2023
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeremy Fox

He’s probably going to end up a reliever

EonADSMember since 2024
1 year ago

The poor defense of Philly doesn’t help matters. They have a decent infield defense (Turner and Stott are more fine than good, but they’re enough, and Bohm is solid. Harper looked pretty good at 1B), but the outfield is bad. Marsh is a barely average CF anymore, Hayes isn’t a good defender in Left, and the less said about Castellanos the better. Rojas can defend well, but his offense is… yeah.

It wasn’t a huge factor in this series, but it easily could have been, and the Mets did average about one free hit in each game of the series based on xBA (Game 2 they went under, though everyone was hitting everything for both teams, and Game 4 they got a lot more hits than xBA said they should have).

Last edited 1 year ago by EonADS
Steve017
1 year ago
Reply to  EonADS

Turner is a future second baseman, particularly if Stott’s bat doesn’t rebound next season. By nearly every statistical measurement, Turner is a below average shortstop by a significant margin. Stott is an above average defensive second baseman, but the Phillies need his bat to rebound next season. I think it will. For extended periods, the quality of Stott’s ABs were up there with Harper’s. Even dating back to last season. He has a good eye and good feel for the strike zone. He just wasn’t impacting the ball in the 2nd half, not unlike many of the Phillies hitters. That’s not a good sign for the hitting coach.

I see two glaring priorities for the off-season. One, you need to bring back a high-leverage reliever given Hoffman and Estevez are free agents. Two, you need a right-handed hitter who can consistently deposit the ball over the fence. Turner slugs a bit less than many expected, Realmuto is in decline, Bohm may never hit more than 20 home runs, and Castellano should not be more than a 6 hitter on a WS contending team. Teoscar Hernandez, Santander, and Tyler O’Neill would seemingly be good fits.

Roman AjzenMember since 2020
1 year ago

Sounds like Jurickson Profar would fit the bill as an OF who works the count. Arraez is another interesting mention, not because he works counts or fits on defense, but because the Padres could look to make up for Musgrove’s TJ by turning Arraez into a pitcher. Seems like an overpay for Suarez straight-up (esp with the salary difference) but the Padres have some bullpen depth to deal from to even out the deal.

carterMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Roman Ajzen

He can only hit w one team, though

je5Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Roman Ajzen

Arraez is the complete opposite of what they need

inhighdefinitionMember since 2024
1 year ago

Excellent piece! Every point and suggestion made total sense, in my opinion.

HappyFunBallMember since 2019
1 year ago

Call me uninteresting, but I don’t really see anything much actionable for the Phillies. So a good bullpen got blown up over the course of (checks notes…) four games. That’s baseball Suzyn. How many times in the regular season (where they were the 2nd best team in MLB) did they drop a series to teams worse than the Mets?

Could they use another bat in the OF? Of course. Who couldn’t. Might they want to tinker around the edges to account for aging and variance? Of course.

But there’s nothing to blow up here. Which is to say, as a Nationals fan, this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebodies part!

Joe Brady
1 year ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

I agree it doesn’t need to be blown up, but I do see some concerns. Nola is good, but declining. Suarez tailed off in the second half. Even if they non-tender Hays, I believe that they will be at ~$268M, and probably need an OF, two RPs (including a closer), and maybe a cheap #5.

NATS FanMember since 2018
1 year ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Quite, I’m hoping they blow it up and give away the 1B and SS cheap!

dl80Member since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

This. It’s just the vagaries or postseason baseball, where the better team only wins a series 55% of the time, and the best team almost never wins the whole thing. I am not a Phillies fan, but I do think this is what happens when you put too many teams into the postseason.

lacslyer
1 year ago
Reply to  HappyFunBall

Well, it’s not just that they shouldn’t really do much with the roster but also that they can’t without spending ungodly amounts of money. They’re currently the only team projected above the luxury tax cap for 2025 right now and after 3 years of doing so already they owe a 50% tax on anything above it. I know the owner has said they’ll go after Soto but that ain’t gonna work without dealing half the outfield away.

EltnegMember since 2020
1 year ago

You can chalk the bullpen stuff up to variance, but one of the core issues with the team is they needed one of the Stott/Bohm/Marsh group (the Daycare) to take another step forward as a hitter and and none of them did.

Bohm looked like he was doing that in April, but he was regressing hard before he hurt his wrist and outright terrible after he came back. For all the “Daycare” branding they really aren’t that young anymore— Bohm turns 29 next season, and Stott and Marsh will be 27. The bottom half of the lineup killed them this series, and hard to see how it gets better unless they get really creative this offseason.

hurricanexyzMember since 2016
1 year ago

I kind of think the narrative around the Phillies is being warped by mis-perceiving what the Mets are right now. Maybe the Mets are just really good? In which case, hey, sometimes you just get beat

jeleleven
1 year ago
Reply to  hurricanexyz

Maybe the Mets are just really good?

They were the best team in baseball since June, so your assessment is pretty accurate.

sogoodlooking
1 year ago
Reply to  jeleleven

Best since May 30th, but the Dodgers have the best record since August 1.

goinggoinggoneMember since 2020
1 year ago

I will say again that people seem to overrate the hell out of this team. It’s not an immensely talented team. Stott, Bohm, and Marsh are average at best. Castellanos is way worse than average. JTR is breaking down a bit. There’s no CFer. Their pitching was insane against bad teams in the first half and predictably fell back down to earth when facing better teams. They were barely a 90-win team last year with basically the same roster.

OkraMember since 2016
1 year ago
Reply to  goinggoinggone

We can all pick nits, but this team won the second most games in MLB this year.

benderMember since 2020
1 year ago
Reply to  Okra

The Phillies (at 91 wins) also finished behind a hobbled Braves team (92 wins) and even with the Mets (91 wins) in the BaseRuns standings. And I believe they fared even worse using xwOBA differential.

So they were overrated when looking at the more predictive measures.

Plus this whole built for the playoffs thinking is pure narrative and not realistic. The truth is that a 3 or 5 game series is very random. The Phillies won multiple 3 and 5 game series the last two years as an underdog leading to this narrative. And now they lost a 5 game series as a favorite which has now changed the narrative. Maybe they’re just a good team who got lucky in 2022 and 2023 but unlucky this year?

And looking at the Mets, they just won a WC series where they had a worse wOBA in all three games.

This is how the MLB playoffs works The talent differential isn’t large enough to drive a huge advantage for any team in a 3 or 5 (and probably 7) game series.

lacslyer
1 year ago
Reply to  goinggoinggone

I mean, when you spend the first half of the season with the lowest opponent ELO by a significant margin you’re going to win a lot of games and look a lot better than you probably are.

RobertMember since 2017
1 year ago
Reply to  goinggoinggone

Wheeler is a stud and I think Sanchez will be alright but Nola is showing a slowdown and Suarez really cratered in the back half

johndarc
1 year ago

Phillies will not win until they make the song “Gay Bar” by Electric Six their postseason anthem, as Baumann foretold.

Thatguy47
1 year ago

This was more a regular season issue than a playoffs one, but I was disappointed by how they used Sosa this season. He’s clearly a flawed player (4 BB% vs 23K%) but has been a very good player over his career (6.3 WAR in 1103 PAs) and was excellent this year (1.9 WAR in 274 PAs) but didn’t get much playing time, even with Turner’s injury and Stott’s underperformance. He’s even a solid hitter overall (96 WRC+ career, 103 this year).

Meanwhile they gave loads of PAs to awful players like Merrifield (-.3 in 174 PAs) and Klemens (.1 in 120 PAs). Weston Wilson’s another guy who should’ve gotten more playing time than he did after a strong season last year but only made it to the team in the last few months (and hit 130 WRC+ in 98 PAs). Same w/ Marchan (.6 WAR and 146 WRc+ in 56 PAs) vs Stubbs (.4 WAR and 63 WRC+ in 187 PAs).

I’ve mentioned this before but Dombrowki’s generally been very good at focusing on getting depth pieces who are younger and have team control (ie Alvarado, Sosa, Jeff Hoffman, most SP’s they went through) but he keeps doubling down w/ the same mistakes in going for overpaid vets (Archie Bradley/Knebel/Kimbrel/Merrifield) and not testing out Sosa more as a potential starter or superutility guy was a mistake, especially if Stott’s a fringy regular going forward.

Bohm had a big year but underwhelmed in the second half and a few other guys stalled out a bit (Stott, Rojas, Marsh). If they’re going to remain competitive they need to keep targeting new guys as potential big contributors b/c a lot of their younger guys aren’t that young or good and are at risk of falling off in the next couple years.

alexpMember since 2020
1 year ago

As a Braves fan, the these two teams seem very similar to me. You mentioned the cores both being locked up, but the complaints on the hitting side seem the same to me as well. The Braves were dying for someone to work a count all year. Felt like they had a lot of quick outs that showed up in the wild card series, much like the Phillies went through in the NLDS. The NL East should be very interesting next year and through the offseason.

Steve017
1 year ago
Reply to  alexp

Braves were decimated in injuries this season, and to key players. It is amazing they remained as competitive as they did. If you ask me, as a Phillies fan, the Braves are the division favorite entering 2025.

lacslyer
1 year ago
Reply to  alexp

Kinda hard to expect guys to step up in the lineup when you’re ravaged by injuries the way they were. Their 1-3 in their lineup from 2023 missed at least 2 months of the season, EACH. I’d be shocked to know of any other team that deals with that and still makes the playoffs.

Joe Brady
1 year ago

A couple of minor quibbles:

Turner is not as advertised. In the 3 years prior to joining the Phillies, he had a 5.8 bWAR/650. Since joining the Phillies, it is 3.4/650.

IRT Abel helping, I’ve rarely seen anyone with that many walks on their resume.

As for Soto, of course he’d helpful. But if I combine Cots 2025 ($239.7M) plus MLB-R arbitration projections ($36M), then they are already at $275M. If they signed Soto, they’d be at at least $315M, and still need a closer, probably another BP arm, and maybe a #5. That’s going to be a little pricey.

lacslyer
1 year ago
Reply to  Joe Brady

There’s no way they can afford Soto without trading guys away. He’s going to command at least $40/year and currently the Phillies would be paying a 50% tax on all of it. With the NY teams well below the cap for 2025 he could get even more to where $40 is conservative.

JohnnyRingoFWC
1 year ago

Ranger Suarez for Ian Happ.

Who says no?

TheGrandslamwichMember since 2020
1 year ago

If they are in win now mode for the next few years why not blow up the farm for Miller from the A’s?

Steve017
1 year ago

The A’s don’t move Miller to the Phillies unless Painter is going in the other direction. Miller is studly. But I’m not sure I’m moving Painter for him. Painter has front-line potential. Even Miller cannot offer that.

David Klein
1 year ago

I can see the Phillies trading for Devin Williams.

airforce21oneMember since 2026
1 year ago
Reply to  David Klein

Who are the Brewers receiving in this trade? Off the top of my head, there isn’t anyone on the Phillies roster that is both interesting and cheap.

Mike DMember since 2016
1 year ago

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