Can The Braves Fix Shelby Miller?
The title of this post presupposes a few things — that new Brave Shelby Miller is broken; that Shelby Miller can be fixed; that Shelby Miller has not yet been fixed; that some teams are more likely than others to fix certain problems. We’re not going to leave those presuppositions aside, though. Let’s instead tackle them, one by one.
Shelby Miller is broken.
In the first 180+ innings of his career, Miller struck out 23.8% of the batters he faced and walked 7.9% of them. In the next 180+ innings, he struck out 16.6% and walked 9.6%. His ground ball and home run per fly ball rates were unchanged, and his velocity was largely the same. He generally threw 70% fastballs and 20% curveballs before and after those cutoffs, and the pitches themselves weren’t that different looking. But, on results, what was once whole is now broken.
Shelby Miller can be fixed.
This part seems logical, given his first stretch of results, but maybe not. Plenty of pitchers have a short run of success and then fizzle away.
But Miller was a top prospect, and with good reason. With a 94 mph fastball, good command, and a wicked curveball, he had the tools to succeed. And we can still rely on those tools to say that he can be fixed.
This year, only ten starters have averaged a higher fastball velocity than Shelby Miller. A few of them share a flaw with Miller — Wily Peralta, Garrett Richards, Nathan Eovaldi, Zack Wheeler, Chris Archer, Alfredo Simon and Jarred Cosart all have change ups that are below average by whiffs and grounders. This is a collection of pitchers that have been traded for and/or have collectively agreed upon bright futures, and Alfredo Simon.
Since roundhouse curveballs traditionally have reverse platoon splits, and since Miller’s cutter is above-average by whiffs (11%) and grounders (52%), he actually has the arsenal to succeed now. Without improving that change up (which showed less fade and less than an inch more drop than his two-seamer last season and doesn’t look like it’s going to be much good), he has what he needs with the two fastballs, the curve and the cutter.
Shelby Miller has not yet been fixed.
This one is tough because there was evidence that he made strides late last year. He focused on where he was throwing pitches more than what he was throwing, and the high fastball did him wonders. Perhaps it has something to do with how curveballs work — they get swung at less than any other pitch, and so often they’re used for called strikes low in the zone. Certainly, Miller’s not getting whiffs (6%) or grounders (39%) with his curve. So a high fastball could set up more swings low in the zone on curveballs batters thought were fastballs (which went up from 35% to 39% after August first) and more whiffs high in the zone on fastballs batters thought were curveballs (which went up from 8% to 10% after August first).
Those high fastballs started in August and September, and in that short sample, Miller put up a 2.93 ERA (4.00 FIP, 18.9% K, 7.4% BB). Compared to his work before that point (4.20 ERA, 4.76 FIP, 15.2% K, 11% BB), Miller was already making it happen.
The Braves are the team to fix Shelby Miller.
Let’s say that high fastballs were a big part of the resurgence. Are there teams that preach the high fastball more than others? Last year, there certainly were. Here’s the average four-seam fastball height by team for 2014:
| Team | Ave Height FA |
|---|---|
| Nationals | 2.72 |
| Rays | 2.69 |
| Giants | 2.69 |
| Angels | 2.66 |
| Reds | 2.66 |
| Cardinals | 2.65 |
| Indians | 2.64 |
| Twins | 2.64 |
| Blue Jays | 2.64 |
| Red Sox | 2.60 |
| Athletics | 2.59 |
| Tigers | 2.58 |
| Braves | 2.58 |
| Orioles | 2.57 |
| Royals | 2.57 |
| Yankees | 2.54 |
| Dodgers | 2.54 |
| Rockies | 2.53 |
| Brewers | 2.52 |
| Mets | 2.52 |
| Phillies | 2.52 |
| Pirates | 2.52 |
| Padres | 2.52 |
| White Sox | 2.51 |
| Mariners | 2.51 |
| Rangers | 2.51 |
| Cubs | 2.49 |
| Astros | 2.49 |
| Marlins | 2.45 |
| Diamondbacks | 2.41 |
Not surprising to find the Giants, Angels, and Rays near the top of this list based on personnel. Madison Bumgarner espoused the benefits the high fastball, Jake Peavy switched from the two-seamer to the four-seamer this year, Hector Santiago and Jered Weaver throw the high, rising fastball, and both Jake Odorizzi and Alex Cobb talked about the relationship between the high four-seamer and their split-fingers. All three parks might help keep some of the long drives off the high fastballs inside the walls, too.
But is this a one-year list based mostly on the players on those teams currently? If we zoom out to a five year sample, do we start to see which teams espouse the low-and-away fastball more than others? Because that was traditionally what the Braves did back in the day, but the times are changing a bit with regard to the high fastball. Here are the team four-seam heights going back to 2010:
| Team | Ave FA Height |
|---|---|
| Giants | 2.699 |
| Dodgers | 2.665 |
| Rays | 2.660 |
| Nationals | 2.659 |
| Red Sox | 2.658 |
| Yankees | 2.656 |
| White Sox | 2.652 |
| Indians | 2.649 |
| Twins | 2.648 |
| Reds | 2.648 |
| Orioles | 2.633 |
| Tigers | 2.609 |
| Mets | 2.608 |
| Rangers | 2.606 |
| Athletics | 2.603 |
| Pirates | 2.593 |
| Cardinals | 2.590 |
| Blue Jays | 2.587 |
| Mariners | 2.586 |
| Padres | 2.583 |
| Angels | 2.577 |
| Cubs | 2.575 |
| Royals | 2.566 |
| Braves | 2.566 |
| Phillies | 2.565 |
| Diamondbacks | 2.560 |
| Astros | 2.557 |
| Rockies | 2.545 |
| Marlins | 2.540 |
| Brewers | 2.531 |
The Giants are still at the top of the table. Perhaps they espouse the high fastball! The Rays are still up there, and it seems like a list of big parks, but then there are also some parks — Boston, New York, Chicago — that defy the trend.
And there go the Braves, down to the bottom. That sounds more like it. But no team is one-size fits all, and if you look at the fastball charts for Alex Wood (left) and Julio Teheran (right) — both good velocity young guys with big curve balls — there are some high fastballs on the map in Atlanta. Perhaps moreso for Teheran than Wood, which is interesting because Teheran’s changeup is less important to him these days (8% thrown career) and it’s not that great a pitch (10% whiffs, 50% groundballs, or just a tick below average). For a frame of reference, check out Kevin Gausman’s heat map — these two pitchers use the high fastball more than average. Teheran’s actually in the top 20 for starters with a 2.79 average fastball height (2.57 is league average).
If Miller’s turnaround is going to be about high fastballs, Atlanta can probably help about as well as anyone, despite the past organizational tendencies towards low and away. If his turnaround is going to be more about fastball command than just high fastballs, an 8.5% walk rate in the minors and an 8.7% walk rate in the majors at least suggests that he could have average command — perhaps the second half last year was just a regression towards his true talent command.
To recap, it looks like Shelby Miller was slightly broken, and has the type of stuff that makes every team want to fix him, which suggests he is fixable. He might have already fixed himself, and even if he didn’t the Braves are just as likely as any team to help him fix what may or may not have been broken.
In cases like these, it’s instructive to return to the stuff. He has top-ten fastball velocity for a starter, an above-average cutter, and a curveball that looks legit but hasn’t had elite results yet. Braves pitching coach Roger McDowell has to be very excited about this project.
With a phone full of pictures of pitchers' fingers, strange beers, and his two toddler sons, Eno Sarris can be found at the ballpark or a brewery most days. Read him here, writing about the A's or Giants at The Athletic, or about beer at October. Follow him on Twitter @enosarris if you can handle the sandwiches and inanity.


The irony is that one factor that can significantly assist a High Fastball pitcher is an elite defensive outfielder who excels at taking away extra base hits. God, I am so damn bitter.
Me too…..me tooo. I have been a Braves fan for many years and I can’t get over the fact that the Braves refused to even sit down and talk with Jason. I don’t even like this team right now.
Yup. They signed basically every young good player (and even threw in Chris Johnson for shits and giggles) but didn’t approach Heyward, who is many fan’s favorite player. I think many people are on the edge of giving up support for the team.
Heyward’s black, that’s apparently a major problem for Braves ownership. They asked the future mediocrity Freeman to name his price, yet wouldn’t even negotiate with Heyward.
I like this team a LOT more right now. Change in GM, bringing in top notch scouting again, new hitting coach who wants batters to hit up the middle rather than pull, pull, pull.
Just because JH is black and from Atlanta doesn’t mean we need to throw huge money at him. I am sure the Cards believe they can “fix” Jason and they just might. Love the article about how his batting stance and bat angle has changed so dramatically since his rookie year. BUT, the guy was not what we thought he was or else no way we would ever let him go. I trust in our scouts now and perhaps many came back when they had a front office that would listen. These are the same guys that liked Jason enough to want him drafted. You really think if they believed he could be a .280/30/100 guy they wouldn’t have signed him long-term? Perhaps overpaying for guys who are average at best hitters is a thing of the past!
I’m surprised you didn’t touch on his lack of a third pitch. No matter what he does, he is going to have trouble navigating the third time through a lineup without a third pitch.
Wrote all about it when I said his cutter is above-average and gives him three pitches, four if you count the fastballs separately.
Meaning that he is mostly just a fastball/curveball guy. Only 6% of his pitches are cutters. That’s not something that even HE trusts as you claimed it “above average”.
According to his pitch values he has had more success with his curveball than his cutter… and throws it way more often.
I don’t love the pitch values. By movement, velocity, whiffs, and grounders, the cutter is above average. And he’s thrown 310 of them, which is a good sample for this work. I guess I would say: throw the cutter more.
I like it, thank you for the response 🙂
I agree he should throw both of his non-fastballs more often, it’s the only way to survive.
I’m always wary about a pitcher being sent away from the confines of Dave Duncan. Usually they take ON fixable projects, not the other way around 😉
So even three seasons after Dunc left, Cards continue to get credit for him? Dunc was gone almost a year before Shelby made it to the majors.
Is Roger McDowell chopped liver? Braves fans love the guy.
A very fat old man from Venezuela has gone through many a good lineup three times with one pitch.
yes of course, but it took that fat old man many, many years to develop the elite command to get by on that one pitch. Shelby isn’t anywhere close to that.
KJ:
Love Heyward as much as the next guy, but these statements from Jason about wanting to play his whole career as a Brave is nothing but PR from him now that he has been traded. If he truly wanted to be a Brave, they would have got something done last winter.
He can want to remain a Brave and want to be adequately compensated at the same time. Him staying a Brave was a two-way street, and the Braves decided he had more value to them as a trade chip.
There are a bunch of interviews with Heyward that were done just before and just after he was traded. Before the trade, he said he was ready to get an extension done “whenever they’re ready to talk.” After the trade, he mentioned that The two sides talked about an extension very briefly in 2012, and then the team never met with him on the subject afterward. Here are a collection of tweets on the matter: http://www.talkingchop.com/2014/11/17/7236397/jason-heyward-trade-comments-atlanta-braves-st-louis-cardinals
Heyward grew up in Georgia, as a Braves fan. Why wouldn’t he want to play his whole career as a Brave? I think fans are just frustrated to learn that the front office hardly even talked to him. I’m sure they could have gotten something done last winter, if both sides were willing to even show up.
I’d say he also needs to throw his cutter more. Only 6% of pitches but it ranks in the top 30-40 of cutters. Might have deleterious effects on his health though? And of course those swStr/GB rates might not hold up if he’s throwing it 15% or so.
I’m not convinced that he really does have 3 good pitches. The changeup, as you noted, is not a good pitch.
The fastball/s were great last year (because he has thrown it more up?) and was great the year before.
But the cutter and curve were both bad last year by Pitch Values. The cutter has never been valuable, though the curve was valuable before last year.
If you count the fastballs as a similar pitch and the curve as good, that still only leaves him two good pitches. The question becomes, can the cutter become useful? And even if it does, that gives him 3 fastball-ish pitches that he’s relying on, plus one curve (which may or may not be good).
We’ll see.
bd:
Right you are, but I think it’s abundantly clear that what Heyward and his camp think is reasonable compensation and what the Braves (and IMO most right thinking people) think is reasonable compensation are two different things. Perhaps you noticed the blog on here suggesting that Heyward maybe should get Cano money?
So, if we disagree with how the Braves valued Jason Heyward, we don’t fall into your little click of “right thinking people” Yes, I think Heyward is worth Cano money. He could sign a 10 year contract tomorrow for 28 million a year and would provide continued value throughout the life of the contract due to the fact that he would only be 35 when the contract expired.
The Braves just don’t seem to understand defensive value very well, which is weird considering they’re the same team that brought us Andruw Jones and Andrelton Simmons.
And how that defensive value has allowed them to turn various middle of the road pitchers into viable starters thanks to their depressed BABIP.
Anecdotally, it seems like Shelby Miller has his pitches fouled off at a high rate. It drives up his pitch counts, gives hitters extra chances, and increases his walks. I’m curious about how that might be addressed.
It’s cause of the scouting reports. He can’t command his offspeed stuff for strikes so hitters are able to sit fastball, and when major leaguers are sitting fastball they’ll typically at least make contact, even if that fastball has elite velocity and movement.
The Braves can no longer “Fix” pitchers like before. Leo Mazzone has retired….
2014- Aaron Harang (2.5 WAR)
2012- Kris Medlen and Brandon Beachy (two non-prospects, 5.1 combined WAR in 220 combined innings)
2011- Derek Lowe (2 WAR at age 38)
2010- Tommy Hanson (4.2 WAR)
2009- Jair Jurrjens (3.7 WAR)
2008- Jorge Campillo (2 WAR)
Since Roger McDowell arrived in 2007, the Braves are second in FIP and xFIP, behind the Dodgers. In that same time span, they’re 10th in WAR, though that would make them 3rd among NL teams. 3rd in K-BB%. The list above doesn’t even account for the numerous relievers that have seemingly been turned around in Atlanta, or turned into monsters in Atlanta.
I think your post was probably sarcastic, but at least the Braves are still in good hands.
This. Leo was a legend for the Braves. But Roger McDowell has more than proven his worth in his time as the Pitching Coach.
And, he is pretty much responsible for one of the Funniest Will Farrell bits I have ever seen.
I’m still here el guapo!
I hope Miller can be fixed. I am unconvinced that he can be.
As for Heyward, the Braves have a criminally terrible TV contract that flat cripples them going forward, so they have been signing players to long-term affordable contracts to try to deal as best they can with this handicap. There is no way that they could afford Heyward, who is now expecting to get a Stanton deal. None.
Of course Jason wanted to stay. Of course he would have signed long term.. If we gave him $130 Million dollars… What in the world has he done to earn THAT much money? I Love J-Hey… I was sad to see him go.. But I am so glad that we got 4 years of Control of a guy who has the potential to be very good, while at the same time adding depth to our rotation that we needed badly, instead of giving a guy $130 million dollars because he potentially could finally turn that corner… He may go on to be a Super Star, and we’ll rue the day we didn’t guess right… But he may just be what we see too.. A very good player.
He HAS earned a $130 million deal. In fact, he’s certain to get $200 million because he’s earned that. In fact, last year alone he was worth over $30 million.
As a Cardinals fan, his curve has always failed the eye test for me. Maybe it’s just that I get to watch Waino’s great 12-6 curve, and CMart’s sick slurve, but Miller’s looks so flat all the time, both vertically and horizontally.
To those saying he needs to throw the cutter more, good luck getting him to take that advice. Dude has always been in love with his fastball. The 4-seamer has incredible movement when it’s on in addition to the elite velocity.
Great write-up. It’s nice to see a well thoughtful, facts-based analysis like this, particularly following the dramatization which immediately follows major trades such as we have seen with the Miller/Heyward exchange. Thanks and looking forward to more.
I have been a braves fan for years and they always do dumb things with young players they act like they don’t want to win just play around i’m retired now and when the braves are on tv I find other things to do ‘
As a Cards fan who has watched every start from Miller, I think Braves fans should be very pleased with the acquisition. Miller struggled with lower back issues a good part of last season and showed great improvement after getting some rest after the all-star break. He also dramatically changed his pitch mix after the wake-up call that was Joe Kelly (his best friend) being traded to Boston. I would love it if someone who has pitch f/x chops would look at the first four months of the season as compared to the final two. Don’t think his stellar numbers in September were just random noise.
As far as his curve goes, I don’t think it really has to be elite to greatly complement his fastball. Just the fact that he throws it, and occasionally for strikes, should be enough. The sinker is a very good pitch.
I know it sucks for Braves fans to lose a favorite player, but cheer up – you will win this deal in a major way. If you are skeptical of Jenkins try to find some video of his AFL work. He will be a beast.
I’m surprised you took the route that you took Eno. I thought you were going to go with the route that the Braves have had success emphasizing and improving on guys’ changeups and that they would be able to improve his changeup going forward, giving him another legitimate pitch. Also, I don’t really see how those two charts support your hypothesis.
Eh, who knows if Santana’s change is going to hold. Maybe Shelby can learn a new grip, maybe not. Wanted to focus on the pitches he’s shown ability with.
As for the charts — if you’re talking the tables, no they don’t support the hypothesis, but I wanted to see what they said. If you’re talking the Pfx charts for Teheran and Wood, I disagree. I provided some more context, but Teheran is absolutely a road map for Miller.