Chien-Ming Wang Presents Risks Beyond Injury

For two years, Chien-Ming Wang looked like a top of the rotation starter. He didn’t blow away hitters, but instead fed them sinker after sinker, forcing them to hit the ball on the ground. Keeping the ball out of the air meant keeping the ball in the park, leaving Wang with the best HR/9 rate in the AL for both 2006 and 2007. This, combined with a low walk rate, kept his FIP under 4.00, despite the poor strikeout rate.

Wang then opened the 2008 season in grand fashion, allowing just 19 runs, including one home run, and walking 19 in 59 innings. Making matters worse for opposing batters, he also started striking out more hitters, 38 in those 59 innings. It appeared he was taking another step forward. But then something changed.

On May 18 Wang gave up seven runs in seven innings to the Mets. He followed that by allowing five or more runs in his next three appearances. Those unconvinced that Wang’s true ability matched his early season performance might have called it a statistical correction, but there seemed to be more at play. In 2006 and 2007, and even earlier in 2008, Wang released his pitches from a three-quarters arm slot. Beginning with his May 18 start, that release point move upward, as shown in the following three graphs.



Those graphs, as you can see, also contain 2009 data, which we’ll get to in a moment. The higher arm angle didn’t seem to work for Wang, though we didn’t get a large enough sample to make any real determination. On June 15, during an interleague game in Houston, Wang fractured his lisfranc, ending his season.

Wang appeared ready to return in 2009, and looked fine in spring training. His first three starts, however, went as poorly as possible, as he allowed 23 runs over just 6 IP. The Yankees placed him on the disabled list with what they termed “hip weakness,” but the move was really to buy them time to figure out what was wrong. He returned on May 22, but continued to struggle. His season eventually ended on the Fourth of July, as he dueled with Roy Halladay in the Bronx. Later that month we learned he would need surgery to repair a torn ligament in his shoulder capsule.

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Back to the above graphs, it’s clear that Wang released his sinker from an even further over the top arm slot in 2009. This caused many of his pitches to fall flat. So flat, in fact, that PitchFx categorized many of them as two-seam fastballs. Wang had thrown just under 5 percent two-seamers in 2008 — which could also have really been flat sinkers — and that number jumped to 22.9 percent in 2009. His fastball took a somewhat corresponding hit, as he threw it 73.6 percent of the time in 2008 and only 56.8 percent in 2009.

We learned earlier today that the Nationals will announce that they’ve signed Wang at a press conference on Friday. While his recovery from shoulder surgery remains the foremost concern, the Nationals also have to work to get his release point back to where it was in 2006, 2007, and early 2008. It seems that’s a big part of his sinker’s success. Without that bread and butter pitch Wang has a much lesser chance of recovery to his previous form.

A big thanks to my buddy Jay Gargiulo and my friend and colleague Mike Axisa for putting together much of this data. The three of us are going to miss having Wang in the Yankees’ rotation.





Joe also writes about the Yankees at River Ave. Blues.

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Cesar
16 years ago

could it be that wang changed his throwing angle as a result of the injury? that would reduce/eliminate the risk you are proposing.

RodeoJones
16 years ago

Wow, very interesting. Depending on the dollars the Nats are paying I might end up very annoyed the Phillies did bring him in to compete for their 5th starter slot. It sounds like a good pitching coach to fix his delivery and get him back to solid form. Of course that assumes his physical ability wasn’t permanently affected by one of his injuries.

pounded clown
16 years ago
Reply to  RodeoJones

How can you be annoyed …we have the elder statesman of pitching. Cue Iron Maiden’s “Run to the Hills”.

jmualumni
16 years ago

Could the differences in release points be connected to an issue with timing?

rowan
16 years ago

i can’t imagine his deal is for much money, so where’s the risk for the nationals?

Charles Shaw
16 years ago

This article details the other mechanical problems Wang had last year using video for comparison:

http://www.baseball-intellect.com/chien-ming-wang-pitching-mechanics/

It doesn’t mention the change in release points though.

delv
16 years ago

Oy. Meanwhile, Dave Eiland was saying in 09 that Wang’s release point had remained the same.

Steve
16 years ago
Reply to  delv

was he?

after his June 11th start:

““His arm slot is all over the place,” said pitching coach Dave Eiland”

Mark S
16 years ago

For D.C. baseball fans sake, I hope Wang comes back to full form.

BATTLETANK
16 years ago

i thought there was a discrepancy between the pitch f/x cameras in the different yankee stadiums. and thats where the noise was coming from on the release point stuff.

Mike Fast
16 years ago
Reply to  BATTLETANK

It wasn’t a discrepancy between the stadiums, it was a problem with the Yankee Stadium data in the first half of 2008.

You can’t use release point data from PITCHf/x like this. You have to either correct it or understand its limitations.

s.com/main/article/chien-ming-wangs-release-points/

Mike Fast
16 years ago
Reply to  Mike Fast
Chip
16 years ago

Funny thing is, wasn’t Eiland constantly saying something to the effect of having to keep his release point up in order to give the ball more sink? Seems someone stopped eating his Wheaties

Tom B
16 years ago
Reply to  Chip

that phrase is used to refer to keeping th release point closer to the shoulder, not higher.

Matt
16 years ago

Thank you for this article!

As someone who was a big Wang fan and watched him repeatedly implode last year, I share the concern that there is a lot more wrong than just an injury.

Facebook Status
16 years ago

Wang had trouble getting it up?

pack
16 years ago

I stole most of my opinions on pitching mechanics from Chris O’Leary/Carlos Gomez and what my own arm tells me. Higher arm slots seem to put more stress on the shoulder (see: http://www.chrisoleary.com/Projects/Baseball/Pitching/rethinkingpitching/Essays/Hyperabduction.html)

Dionysus
16 years ago

Wang’s deal with the Nats seems to be for 2 million with incentives that can bring it up to 5 million. It’s not a bad deal, I don’t think. I’ve been surprised it took this long for a team without much to lose to pick him up. If he even recovers to half of what he was, he’ll be a decent back of the rotation guy. On the, probably unlikely, chance he regains his dominance, he becomes a tremendous value. I’d rather see him on a team with better infield defense, but it is what it is.

I admit that I had a completely unreasonable fantasy that Boston would pick him up on a minor league deal. With the Sox improved defense, a healthy Wang could be quite the force when the inevitable injuries occured. Plus, if he DID recover to form, it gives the Sox even more bargaining power with Beckett.

And sticking it to the Yanks is always fun.

Sam
16 years ago

I am not really sure how to read these graphs. If it’s not too much trouble,can you explain somewhat what the scale of the various differences in release points are? I.e., are they inches apart etc.

Devon FreitasMember since 2016
16 years ago

I am not sure that the release point change fully explains Wang’s problems. His notorious sinking fastball, contrary to popular belief, didn’t change much from 2008 to 2009. Comparing data from year to year doesn’t necessarily take into account changes in the pitchFX systems, such as the notoriously inaccurate one in the old Yankee Stadium.

Take his 2008 starts for example from 4/22 onwards, courtesy of TexasLeaguers pitchFX game logs:

Start (Stadium) (Horizontal Movement/Vertical Movement)
4/22 (CHA)-8.78/5.95
4/27 (CLE) -9.06/1.78
5/2 (NYY) -13.91/4.48
5/7 (NYY) -12.17/3.72
5/13 (TBR) -11.77/5.58
5/18 (NYY) -13.11/4.18
5/25 (NYY)-12.13/4.78
5/31 (MIN) -9.17/7.01
6/5 (NYY) -12.69/6.11
6/10 (OAK) -9.50/4.95
6/15 (HOU) -8.42/5.45

A clear difference in his movement, specifically horizontal, is evident in his home and away pitchFX numbers. Because his career FIP pitching at Yankee Stadium than his FIP away from it, it is more than likely that isn’t any less effective as a pitcher on the road. This is an effect that many other Yankee pitchers saw at home, and it is most evident when examining the pitchFX data on their sliders (see: Joba Chamberlain’s H-Mov Time Graph for 2008 & Wang’s H-Mov Time Graph for 2008).

Comparing the more accurate 2008 away numbers on his fastballs to his 2009 numbers (including the New Yankee Stadium gun) reveals that he might not have been that different of a pitcher. Another problem is the pitch classification, which also has changed this past season. There are far more 2-seam fastballs that are being classified, as opposed to mostly 4-seamers for pitches with the same movement than in the past. It’s rather difficult to compare pitchFX data across years for this reason, as this system is in relative infancy, but hopefully that’s a topic for a future fangraphs article.

Mike Fast
16 years ago
Reply to  Devon Freitas

You are on the right track looking at the away data as a way to avoid the shifted data from Yankee Stadium in the first half of 08.

The pitch classification system, though, is a problem in and of itself. It’s run by MLBAM independent of the PITCHf/x data generation. The MLBAM algorithm did get tweaked coming into the 2009 season, but I’m not sure it got any more accurate. It’s correct on about 75% of its classifications, and that’s not really good enough for analysis that wants to dig deep like this.

vivaelpujols
16 years ago
Reply to  Mike Fast

Isn’t the Gameday algorithm also pretty awful at separating twoseamers and fourseamers? That’s what I’ve found during my limited foray’s into individual pitcher classification.

William
16 years ago

This is, perhaps, the most fascinating case on the most fascinating site I’ve read yet: we have incredibly astute analysis, state of the art data, etc., and yet we are left wondering about just about everything that underlies the assumptions of any of it. I LOVE IT! (I am a poststructuralist at heart)

vivaelpujols
16 years ago

Joe – I suggest you read Mike Fast’s article on Pitch f/x release points posted above. Release points are by far the hardest thing to measure using the Pitch f/x cameras due to the fact that they aren’t directly measured, instead inferred by the trajectory of the ball. When you combine that with the calibration issues in Yankee’s stadium during 2008 esepcially, release point data in Pitch f/x is hard to really utilize as well as it’s other parameters. At the very least, you have to treat it with more care than you otherwise would.

I also dislike the attributing of his struggles in 2009 and the latter parts of 2008 to the “change” in release points. You say that a taller release point will impact less sink on his pitches? Where did you get that from? That seems counter-intuitive to me. I would like to read more about Wang, and why he was so bad, but I think that it’s necessary to delve into the data more (if you plan on using Pitch f/x, which I would) and not simply attribute it to potentially faulty measurements of release points.

DavidCEisen
16 years ago

The other important aspect of signing Wang is the potential to create some interest in the Nationals in Taiwan.

I actually just got back from Taiwan, and the island, even after last year’s disastrous season, is absolutely in love with the guy. Financially the Nationals have a lot to gain if Wang turns in even a decent season. These kinds of signings are a great way for small and mid-market teams to expand their fan base.

Andrew
16 years ago
Reply to  DavidCEisen

Yeah a lot of people with WAR blinders on my not care about this, but signings like this can be great for market expansion. Even if Wang is terrible (and as a Yankees/Nats fan, I hope he’s good) the Nats could stand to make a lot of money from this.

I live in Korea and everyone is completely obsessed with Chan Ho Park. Every Phillies game is nationally broadcast and my Korean friends who are baseball fans all watched them, just for Chan Ho Park. I joined a Korean baseball league and pretty much the first thing everything asked me was where Chan Ho Park will sign. I see a huge amount of people wearing Phillies merchandise too.

This is true for EPL as well; ManU is extremely popular and all of their games are shown just because of Ji-Sung Park.